Breitbart’s Fans React to Facts Like Vampires to Sunlight

Right wing echo chamber circles wagons
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How do Andrew Breitbart’s camp followers deal with learning that one of their smears has been debunked?

djmcs (-125p) · 3 hours ago -22

Newly-hired Breitbartian dunce Pollack cites a Pajamas Media story that falsely used a 14-year old Jewish girl to promote the daft idea of OWS anti-semitism…
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/39299_Its…

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IsrealFeller (82p) · 3 hours ago +4

You must be sick to even visit that web site, let alone use it as a source.

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kentatwater (103p) · 3 hours ago +6

It’s really a shame what’s happened to Chucky Johnson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdFc56F-33w&fe…

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IsrealFeller (82p) · 3 hours ago +2

Hahaha. That’s funny as hell. Perfect.

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winstonlabrador (93p) · 1 hour ago +2

That was really funny!

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WantMyTaxesBack (96p) · 3 hours ago +3

Silly. The girl was being used as a pawn, and LGF supports it. There is no way of knowing if all banks are owned by Jews, so claiming they are is a falsehood, and it perpetuates the real anti-semitic feelings some of these protesters have.

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goatsred (73p) · 3 hours ago +2

He’s not newly hired, troll. For all the time you hang around here, one would think that you would check a profile of someone you’re going to comment about.

But such is the minset of a libtard,racist,socialist: shoot first, patronize,isolate, and then make excuses later.

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OldmanRick (125p) · 3 hours ago +3

littlegreenfootballs.com? You are definately scraping the bottom of the barrel. Next thing we know you will be quoting Mother Jones or soros..

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ChickenShiite (82p) · 2 hours ago +2

Upthread it links 972mag.com

Certified moonbat.

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Evil_Otto (92p) · 3 hours ago +2

Little Green Footballs? Really? Be careful there, drone… if you say anything negative about Mad King Charles he’ll ban you and your children and your children’s children unto the seventh generation.

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kentatwater (103p) · 2 hours ago +3

I was a victim of Kid Icarus’ pogrom. I’ll say it again, it is a real shame what happened to Johnson and LGF. It used to be a good forum, which in its day was just as reviled by the left as Andrew Breitbart and the Bigs are now.

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OldmanRick (125p) · 1 hour ago +2

I agree. Now, not so much.

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Evil_Otto (92p) · 1 hour ago +3

I’m curious, drone… who feeds you this crap? It’s extremely unlikely that you just happened to have that link ready and waiting. You drones don’t read Little Green Footballs, and only a few years ago you lefties were all too eager to call Charles Johnson every foul name in the book.

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709 comments
1 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:26:04pm
Breitbart’s Fans React to Facts Like a Vampire to Sunlight

What, do they sparkle?

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2 darthstar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:26:42pm

At least vampires have the decency to burst into flames.

3 darthstar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:27:32pm

re: #1 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What, do they sparkle?

/

I keep getting Twilight and True Blood mixed up.

4 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:28:06pm

Discuss anything but the substance.

5 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:30:59pm

Ok, they don't like the source being LGF but that still doesn't take away from the fact that the right wing blogs were eager to portray this girl as Anti-Semitic and what do ya know, she's Jewish herself.

6 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:31:36pm

banning people for seven generations? Is there an app for that?

7 Interesting Times  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:31:43pm

re: #4 Sergey Romanov

Discuss anything but the substance.

Did you hack into Herman Cain's emails and read the ones from his advisors? ;)

8 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:32:23pm

when presented with uncomfortable facts, the first reaction of wingnuts is to denigrate the source. they think this is a perfectly good method of counterargument and have no idea that any 14 on a high school debate team would know very well that it would get them thrown out of a debate

9 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:32:23pm

re: #4 Sergey Romanov

Discuss anything but the substance.

"If I didn't see it, it didn't happen! If I didn't see it, it didn't happen!"

/

10 jamesfirecat  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:32:28pm

re: #6 Iwouldprefernotto

banning people for seven generations? Is there an app for that?

You're banned from this library, you, and your children, and your children's children..... for three months.

11 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:33:03pm

Just so they don't sparkle like some alleged vampires I've heard of ...

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12 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:33:13pm

You know, I'm starting to get the feeling that some of these right wingers don't like me.

13 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:33:34pm

re: #10 jamesfirecat

You're banned from this library, you, and your children, and your children's children... for three months.

Donald Sutherland, ladies and gentlemen.

14 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:36:09pm

re: #12 Charles

You know, I'm starting to get the feeling that some of these right wingers don't like me.

Eh. You're not *so* bad.....but some of those music choices?......Gee.


(did i get banned yet?....)

/

15 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:37:25pm

I just got an email from a FReeper who wants to know why I stopped posting there (like, 3 years ago)

Yes, I have gone over to the Dark Side. Ha ha ha.

16 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:38:28pm

re: #12 Charles

You know, I'm starting to get the feeling that some of these right wingers don't like me.

Well. Maybe a bit.

17 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:42:09pm

I am the 53%.

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:45:12pm

re: #12 Charles

I love you.

(awkwardly long hug)

19 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:45:46pm

re: #18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love you.

(awkwardly long hug)

*he just wants some pie*

20 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:46:45pm

A perfect example of raging, mouth breathing, butthurt. They react like a bunch of teenage boys in a gym locker room.

21 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:47:41pm

g'night y'all.

got a part time gub'mint job this month. Just over a quarter of the contract gone and a third of the total target achieved.

22 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:48:37pm

re: #21 wozzablog

g'night y'all.

got a part time gub'mint job this month. Just over a quarter of the contract gone and a third of the target achieved.

Contract? Target?

Which agency, exactly, do you work for?

23 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:49:08pm

So, their tactic is just to avoid the information?

Also, this:

Silly. The girl was being used as a pawn, and LGF supports it. There is no way of knowing if all banks are owned by Jews, so claiming they are is a falsehood, and it perpetuates the real anti-semitic feelings some of these protesters have.

Um, there's a very easy way to know that all banks are not owned by Jews. This is because most banks are publicly traded companies, and we know that Jews do not own a majority of the stock. Normal white people own far more stock than Jews do. Sorry to burst the bubble.

Who was the guy here who was convinced the banks were actually Jewish-owned and that's why Obama was criticizing them? I think it was Bagua. That was pretty damn shocking to me when he said that, and he doubled down when I challenged him on it.

The above comment reminds me of it. "There's no way of knowing if all banks are owned by Jews." Okay there pardner. In your world maybe.

24 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:50:48pm

re: #23 Obdicut

So, their tactic is just to avoid the information?

Also, this:

Um, there's a very easy way to know that all banks are not owned by Jews. This is because most banks are publicly traded companies, and we know that Jews do not own a majority of the stock. Normal white people own far more stock than Jews do. Sorry to burst the bubble.

Who was the guy here who was convinced the banks were actually Jewish-owned and that's why Obama was criticizing them? I think it was Bagua. That was pretty damn shocking to me when he said that, and he doubled down when I challenged him on it.

The above comment reminds me of it. "There's no way of knowing if all banks are owned by Jews." Okay there pardner. In your world maybe.

There is also no way of knowing if the banks are truly owned by blood-sucking vampires, mind-bending aliens, or mad werewolves.

Sleep well, tonight.

25 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:50:59pm

re: #22 EmmmieG

Contract? Target?

Which agency, exactly, do you work for?

Working for my local council here in merry old england.

Everyone in england has to be registered to vote by law.

Been assigned 350 households who were late on their registration to sign back up to the list.

biggest problem - london has a massively transient population.

26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:52:25pm

re: #24 EmmmieG

By "mad werewolves" do you mean "angry werewolves" or "crazy werewolves"?

27 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:53:08pm

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By "mad werewolves" do you mean "angry werewolves" or "crazy werewolves"?

Slightly meshugganah werewolves.

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:55:18pm

re: #27 wozzablog

or "Verklempt".

29 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:55:52pm

re: #25 wozzablog

Working for my local council here in merry old england.

Everyone in england has to be registered to vote by law.

Been assigned 350 households who were late on their registration to sign back up to the list.

biggest problem - london has a massively transient population.

Likely cover story.

30 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:56:15pm

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By "mad werewolves" do you mean "angry werewolves" or "crazy werewolves"?

Howling loony, actually.

31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:57:12pm

re: #30 EmmmieG

One has to ask for clarification.

32 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:58:43pm

re: #29 EmmmieG

Likely cover story.

It's mine and I'm sticking to it.

Actual truth - been signed up by MI6 to bump off *redacted* and *redacted's* mother in laws *redacted*.

33 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 7:59:01pm

Maybe they're suffering from mass cognitive dissonance caused by brain eating zombies.

34 prairiefire  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:02:20pm

Mother Jones, here? Where?

35 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:03:42pm

I also love this in a thread supposedly definending against anti-semites:

littlegreenfootballs.com? You are definately scraping the bottom of the barrel. Next thing we know you will be quoting Mother Jones or soros..

Yeah, don't quote the big scary Jewish anti-communist. That'd be turrible.

I think there's a lot of merit in an international economy and global markets, but they're not sufficient because markets don't look after social needs.

-- George Soros


Oh noes I quoted Soros.

36 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:03:49pm

re: #23 Obdicut

So, their tactic is just to avoid the information?

Also, this:

Um, there's a very easy way to know that all banks are not owned by Jews. This is because most banks are publicly traded companies, and we know that Jews do not own a majority of the stock. Normal white people own far more stock than Jews do. Sorry to burst the bubble.

Who was the guy here who was convinced the banks were actually Jewish-owned and that's why Obama was criticizing them? I think it was Bagua. That was pretty damn shocking to me when he said that, and he doubled down when I challenged him on it.

The above comment reminds me of it. "There's no way of knowing if all banks are owned by Jews." Okay there pardner. In your world maybe.

None of this of course has anything to do with religion. Especially the bigoted and hateful notion of "Jewish bankers." I am speaking of course of what I see as the motivation behind OWS. It's not just about Wall Street. It's not about bankers. It's really about an entire system of imbalanced reward that we've created in this country.

Anyway. The CEO of Citibank is Indian I believe. He's listed as a Hindu.

37 garhighway  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:04:47pm

Hitting the rack, folks. Have a nice evening.

38 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:19:38pm

re: #23 Obdicut

Normal white people own far more stock than Jews do.

"Normal white people" is making me laugh.

39 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:23:19pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

"Normal white people" is making me laugh.

Speaking from experience, there are no normal white people.
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40 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:23:21pm

Sorry for O/T

I just posted my micro documentary video of Occupy LA on Youtube.
Paged.

Nothing like being there.

41 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:29:20pm

What's interesting too is that I made a point of not insulting anyone including PJTV and Zombie. I did make a suggestion which will probably never be completely heeded. I acknowledge the presence of anti-Semitism at some OWS events:

In some cases there have indeed been incidents, rhetoric and signage where the anti-Semitism is rather self-evident.

And this was cause for such discombobulation?

I close by suggesting that Zombie, Ringo, and Pajamas Media issue an immediate retraction and apology to Sophie Johnson

I think some people need to lay off the coffee or something.

But of course. Here I'm assuming they actually read anything.

42 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:30:38pm

re: #35 Obdicut

I also love this in a thread supposedly definending against anti-semites:

Yeah, don't quote the big scary Jewish anti-communist. That'd be turrible.

-- George Soros

Oh noes I quoted Soros.

Hell, my best friend has quoted Soros in talking about the crisis of the Euro, and it makes sense in that case. Soros is wrong about many things, but the man does understand currencies and how they work.

43 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:33:10pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

Hell, my best friend has quoted Soros in talking about the crisis of the Euro, and it makes sense in that case. Soros is wrong about many things, but the man does understand currencies and how they work.

The better to destroy them... HA... HAHA... BWAHAHAHA!

44 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:34:16pm

And tonight's NBC football game saw the Chicago Bears pummel the Minnesota Vikings 39-10. The Bears offensive line stepped up and did its job right, and this lead to Jay Cutler only being sacked once. Of course part of this was also that the Vikings defense was on the field so much they were simply worn out. But with the Bears winning in a blowout and the Lions losing to the 49ers, it was a good Sunday in Chicago.

45 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:40:48pm

And if I was face to face with those 3 I would simply tell them:

You ignorant morons.

Maybe that would be just the start.

46 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:43:59pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

"Normal white people" is making me laugh.

Me too.

47 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:47:17pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

"Normal white people" is making me laugh.

Well, when Al Yankovic wanted a nerdy white guy for his video, he picked Donny Osmond.

However, Mormons aren't considered normal, however boring and white bread we may be.

48 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:47:38pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

"Normal white people" is making me laugh.

Would these normal white people be the white people who eat cucumber sandwiches, can't dance and quickly burn in the sun?

49 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:48:04pm

Animals 'shrinking' due to climate change

Rising global temperatures and changes in weather patterns have knock-on effects which are already stunting the growth of a wide range of species.

The change could have a major impact on the expanding human population, with major food sources like fish likely to reduce in size and crops expected to grow smaller and less reliably than today.

Species which are unable to adapt quickly enough are at risk of extinction as ecosystems shift dramatically, altering the balance of food and other resources needed for survival.

In the meantime, we need to make sure we do nothing to address global warming and make sure contraception and abortion are illegal.

50 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:48:39pm

re: #48 moderatelyradicalliberal

Would these normal white people be the white people who eat cucumber sandwiches, can't dance and quickly burn in the sun?

Guilty, okay I am only guilty of one of those three things.

51 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:49:55pm

re: #47 EmmmieG

Well, when Al Yankovic wanted a nerdy white guy for his video, he picked Donny Osmond.

However, Mormons aren't considered normal, however boring and white bread we may be.

Sorry, but you Mormons are just too damn nice to be normal. Nobody is that damn friendly. Start cursing, drinking and having an occasional out-of-wedlock birth and the rest of us will be much less uncomfortable.

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52 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:50:15pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Dude, they beat the Vikings. Only thing easier this year is the Colts because they want to draft Luck.

Weird shit between the coaches in Detroit though.

53 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:51:13pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Guilty, okay I am only guilty of one of those three things.

I hope it's not eating cucumber sandwiches because cucumbers only belong in salads.

54 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:51:33pm

And, happy happy joy joy, the Brewers got stomped on.

May they never get to the world series as long as Miller Park stands.

55 BongCrodny  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:51:34pm

re: #47 EmmmieG

Well, when Al Yankovic wanted a nerdy white guy for his video, he picked Donny Osmond.

However, Mormons aren't considered normal, however boring and white bread we may be.

Weird Al also did an album called "Dare To Be Stupid."

Who knew that it would herald an entire political movement?

56 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:51:52pm

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Animals 'shrinking' due to climate change

In the meantime, we need to make sure we do nothing to address global warming and make sure contraception and abortion are illegal.

That made me start thinking about the sociological science behind OWS. That might not be the right term but it's basically built upon disaster warning some of which includes social unrest. The financial meltdown has caused a small version of social unrest that would occur with more advanced climate change environments.

57 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:52:50pm

re: #53 moderatelyradicalliberal

I hope it's not eating cucumber sandwiches because cucumbers only belong in salads.

It's not. I may be lame but I am not that lame.

58 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:53:20pm

re: #53 moderatelyradicalliberal

I hope it's not eating cucumber sandwiches because cucumbers only belong in salads.

Or in pickle jars.

59 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:53:21pm

Or in a few words.

This is just the dress rehearsal.

60 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:53:25pm

Speaking of Weird Al...

Youtube Video
61 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:55:06pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

It's not. I may be lame but I am not that lame.

Thank goodness.

62 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:55:13pm

re: #19 Sergey Romanov

*he just wants some pie*

That would probably be cake, actually.
Or pie.

63 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:56:06pm

re: #55 BongCrodny

Weird Al also did an album called "Dare To Be Stupid."

Who knew that it would herald an entire political movement?

There's a Transformers Movement? Who would have thought...

64 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:56:15pm

re: #61 moderatelyradicalliberal

Thank goodness.

Yeah people actually have cucumber sandwiches? That sounds weird even for me.

65 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:56:41pm

Robert Jefress is weird. He freaks me the f out.
The place where he is considered a normal white guy is the place I don't want to be.

66 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:57:12pm

re: #54 wlewisiii

And, happy happy joy joy, the Brewers got stomped on.

May they never get to the world series as long as Miller Park stands.

Well Go Ragners then. Nothing against the Cards personally but gimme a team who hasn't won the WS this year. I'll take the Rangers in six tho.

67 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:57:45pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Well Go Ragners then. Nothing against the Cards personally but gimme a team who hasn't won the WS this year. I'll take the Rangers in six tho.

I cannot support the Ragners...

68 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:57:51pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Yeah people actually have cucumber sandwiches? That sounds weird even for me.

I came across them at an event and I honestly thought the caterers had messed up.

69 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:58:09pm

re: #52 wlewisiii

Dude, they beat the Vikings. Only thing easier this year is the Colts because they want to draft Luck.

Weird shit between the coaches in Detroit though.

Even so, your prediction of the Packers/Lions game being a battle between two undefeated teams has now been nullified, and the Bears got a much needed confidence booster.

The other "Cinderella" team to lose today was the Bills. A game versus the New York Giants saw both teams with a smart quarterback trained by some of the best in football, but it was Eli Manning whose team beat Ryan Fitzpatrick and Buffalo 27-24.

70 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:58:49pm

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I cannot support the Ragners...

The Bush connection? Or are you a fan of another AL West team? or something else?

71 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:58:52pm

I like cucumber sandwiches.
Nice, light, dainty, food for the ladies-who-lunch crowd.

72 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:59:26pm

re: #65 OhNoZombies!

Robert Jefress is weird. He freaks me the f out.
The place where he is considered a normal white guy is the place I don't want to be.

There's something weird about almost worshiping the founders, then insisting that the Bill of Rights is negotiable, and only applies to the right people in certain circumstances.

(Pretty sure that both you and I are not the right people.)

73 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:59:38pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

The Bush connection? Or are you a fan of another AL West team? or something else?

I just hate rags.

74 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 8:59:40pm

re: #63 wlewisiii

There's a Transformers Movement? Who would have thought...

For those who don't get this joke, "Dare to be Stupid" was used in the Transformers animated movie back in the 1980's.

75 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:00:30pm

re: #71 reine.de.tout

I like cucumber sandwiches.
Nice, light, dainty, food for the ladies-who-lunch crowd.

Chicken salad is also kind of a chick-food.

I had a meal once that was romaine lettuce wrapped around a piece of ham, a slice of cheese, and a slice of gala apple. Yes, obviously, a chick luncheon.

76 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:01:10pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

For those who don't get this joke, "Dare to be Stupid" was used in the Transformers animated movie back in the 1980's.

In Boogie Nights, the song that Mark Wahlberg sang as his recording deal was from the Transformers movie.

77 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:01:14pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Well Go Ragners then. Nothing against the Cards personally but gimme a team who hasn't won the WS this year. I'll take the Rangers in six tho.

I'll admit I was pulling for Detroit. Ranger's will do though.

78 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:01:35pm

re: #71 reine.de.tout

I like cucumber sandwiches.
Nice, light, dainty, food for the ladies-who-lunch crowd.

How very English of you. The English colonized a country overflowing with spices and never learned how to cook with any of them.

79 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:01:42pm

re: #68 moderatelyradicalliberal

I came across them at an event and I honestly thought the caterers had messed up.

Weird. Anyhow the thing that makes me a normal white person is I can't dance. One of the reasons why I prefer bars to clubbing.

80 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:02:40pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Weird. Anyhow the thing that makes me a normal white person is I can't dance. One of the reasons why I prefer bars to clubbing.

There are white people who can dance. My father, grandfather, and little brother are all excellent dancers.

Little Brother had his own breakdancing crew in high school.

81 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:02:55pm

I authored 2 of the top 3 "Tweeted Articles" now. :) Woot!

82 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:03:01pm

re: #72 EmmmieG

Probably not. :)

83 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:03:35pm

re: #75 EmmmieG

Chicken salad is also kind of a chick-food.

I had a meal once that was romaine lettuce wrapped around a piece of ham, a slice of cheese, and a slice of gala apple. Yes, obviously, a chick luncheon.

Yep.
It's ALSO the perfect sort of food for the middle of the summer when it's hot as hell outside and the thought of a hot meal is more than anybody can deal with.

84 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:03:43pm

I know how to generate revenue. ;)

85 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:03:56pm

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In Boogie Nights, the song that Mark Wahlberg sang as his recording deal was from the Transformers movie.

True.

86 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:04:08pm

re: #80 EmmmieG

There are white people who can dance. My father, grandfather, and little brother are all excellent dancers.

Little Brother had his own breakdancing crew in high school.

Heh I know. Fun note but my grandfather was frat brothers with Gene Kelly at Pitt in the 30's. Which is why Singin in the Rain is somewhat entertaining to me because "Hey, Big Dad hung out with that dude."

87 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:04:38pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Weird. Anyhow the thing that makes me a normal white person is I can't dance. One of the reasons why I prefer bars to clubbing.

Well, I say all of the time the reason that black people seem to be able to dance is because it's our music that for the most part is being danced to. You try to get a bunch of black people to line dance to country music and we won't look nearly as agile. Trust me I've seen it, hilarity ensues.

88 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:05:40pm

re: #78 moderatelyradicalliberal

How very English of you. The English colonized a country overflowing with spices and never learned how to cook with any of them.

Well, except I grew up in an area of the country that was basically colonized by French folks, then Spanish, before those nasty heathen Englishmen showed up.

89 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:06:14pm

re: #80 EmmmieG

There are white people who can dance. My father, grandfather, and little brother are all excellent dancers.

Little Brother had his own breakdancing crew in high school.

Breakdancing Mormons? Yeah, you guys aren't normal.

90 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:07:01pm

re: #75 EmmmieG

Did you get to wear a big hat?
That's what ladies who lunch do, right? Wear big hats?

91 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:08:05pm

Don't the Palestinians realize what they're doing by demanding 477 prisoners for Shalit? Basically what they're saying is that one man is equal to 477 men. If they want to show any respect for themselves they would only ask for one Palestinian prisoner.

92 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:08:27pm

re: #87 moderatelyradicalliberal

Agreed.

93 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:09:13pm

Hello Blueraven. Tanks.

94 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:10:31pm

So anyway. Going back now. The winner of the Indy 500 died today. It was at a Las Vegas track. He was 33.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Sucks. And since it was Vegas I thought of Reno and the air race crash.

95 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:11:11pm

re: #91 Gus 802

Don't the Palestinians realize what they're doing by demanding 477 prisoners for Shalit? Basically what they're saying is that one man is equal to 477 men. If they want to show any respect for themselves they would only ask for one Palestinian prisoner.

Yet when they kill an Israeli, they suddenly bitch about the exchange rate

97 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:12:48pm

re: #95 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yet when they kill an Israeli, they suddenly bitch about the exchange rate

I think they need somebody like Tony Soprano to slap 'em around. They're so thick headed.

98 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:13:31pm

re: #96 BigPapa

US troops will not be in Iraq past the end of the year.

Herman Cain has a DERP for that.

Herman Cain Blames Obama For Bush’s Iraq Withdrawal Deadline

99 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:14:57pm

re: #96 BigPapa

US troops will not be in Iraq past the end of the year.

Nothing to be done about it. If they are not willing to give our troops immunity from prosecution, then we cannot stay. If we tried, an incident would be arranged and we'd then face demands to hand over our soldiers to face a politically motivated show trial.

100 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:15:42pm

re: #87 moderatelyradicalliberal

Well, I say all of the time the reason that black people seem to be able to dance is because it's our music that for the most part is being danced to. You try to get a bunch of black people to line dance to country music and we won't look nearly as agile. Trust me I've seen it, hilarity ensues.

Heh I dunno. I've never been big in to dance music though. What I enjoy are good lyrics and instrumentation if possible by acoustic instruments though I am not a hipster who disdains electrics.

101 darthstar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:16:57pm

re: #96 BigPapa

US troops will not be in Iraq past the end of the year.

This is great news. I for one don't like seeing Americans getting killed in a foreign country for no apparent reason.

102 darthstar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:17:37pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Nothing to be done about it. If they are not willing to give our troops immunity from prosecution, then we cannot stay. If we tried, an incident would be arranged and we'd then face demands to hand over our soldiers to face a politically motivated show trial.

This is about the Bush set deadlines...not accountability.

103 darthstar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:19:36pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Heh I dunno. I've never been big in to dance music though. What I enjoy are good lyrics and instrumentation if possible by acoustic instruments though I am not a hipster who disdains electrics.

I'll let Frank speak for me on the subject of dancing.

Youtube Video
104 darthstar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:20:43pm

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In Boogie Nights, the song that Mark Wahlberg sang as his recording deal was from the Transformers movie.

And they used my penis for the final scene.

105 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:21:00pm

It's not surprising Cain is blaming Obama. As I said, he is a man who refuses to do his homework on foreign policy issues. If he gets called out on this though and reminded that Obama is merely continuing Bush's policy, is Cain going to do his favorite cop out- claim he was joking?

106 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:21:06pm

re: #102 darthstar

This is about the Bush set deadlines...not accountability.

Its both. Bush set a deadline. We were negotiating to stay longer, but Iraq didn't want to give our troops immunity, so Obama stopped negotiating and said we'd stick to the original deal.

107 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:21:38pm

re: #103 darthstar

I'll let Frank speak for me on the subject of dancing.

[Video]

Hey! I was expecting Sinatra.

Where did the fucking gabagool go?

108 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:21:49pm

re: #104 darthstar

And they used my penis for the final scene.

I didn't know you had been castrated. You have my condolences. Did they pay you well?

109 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:22:37pm

re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its both. Bush set a deadline. We were negotiating to stay longer, but Iraq didn't want to give our troops immunity, so Obama stopped negotiating and said we'd stick to the original deal.

You would think that Obama backed out because of the lack of immunity would please them but noooooooooo. So much for the Obama cares more about global opinion than US sovereignty bs.

110 darthstar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:22:49pm

re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its both. Bush set a deadline. We were negotiating to stay longer, but Iraq didn't want to give our troops immunity, so Obama stopped negotiating and said we'd stick to the original deal.

Good for Obama. I think letting the Iraqis know they're free to eat themselves from within for another forty years or so with hungry neighbors like Saudi Arabia and Iran waiting for them to implode sends a positive message: Get your shit together, fuckers, or you're toast.

111 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:24:26pm

GOP Defunds UNICEF

112 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:25:14pm

re: #111 BigPapa

GOP Defunds UNICEF

I saw that the other day. Fucking lame dude, fucking lame.

113 darthstar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:25:24pm

re: #111 BigPapa

GOP Defunds UNICEF

We are the world,
So fuck the children,
They can dig in a coal mine,
for all we care...

114 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:26:45pm

re: #111 BigPapa

GOP Defunds UNICEF

Pretty soon the headlines will read: Republicans cancel Christmas and arrest Santa Claus.

That's meant to bite of course so read it in that vein.

115 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:29:04pm

re: #111 BigPapa

GOP Defunds UNICEF

The same committee that wants to apply more pressure to Iran votes to defund the UN and the IAEA. They voted along party lines.

Good call guys, brilliant.

116 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:31:49pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

You would think that Obama backed out because of the lack of immunity would please them but nooo. So much for the Obama cares more about global opinion than US sovereignty bs.

Even if he did, this would still be a deal-breaker. To have American troops in Iraq without immunity would set us up for some staged incident that would hurt global opinion of the USA far worse. Sad to say, Iraq's court system is not something we can trust, and its not likely to be anytime soon.

117 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:33:10pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

Even if he did, this would still be a deal-breaker. To have American troops in Iraq without immunity would set us up for some staged incident that would hurt global opinion of the USA far worse. Sad to say, Iraq's court system is not something we can trust, and its not likely to be anytime soon.

I heard they're going to be buying some F-16s.

118 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:33:28pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Nothing to be done about it. If they are not willing to give our troops immunity from prosecution, then we cannot stay. If we tried, an incident would be arranged and we'd then face demands to hand over our soldiers to face a politically motivated show trial.

We don't have any business being there, to begin with.

119 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:33:41pm

Taken together in a big picture: the Iraq war is ending for the US. Although I was for it in the beginning it is tarnished with dubious politicking that I'm still having issues with. But my thought now is that the bunch who got us into the Iraq war are much different from the bunch running the GOP now.

They're much worse.

120 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:34:06pm

re: #111 BigPapa

GOP Defunds UNICEF

Had to be done. The UN is severely disfunctional budget-wise, and it seems that its going to take a major defunding to get them to reform.

121 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:34:42pm

re: #117 Gus 802

I heard they're going to be buying some F-16s.

You heard right. That purchase is still going through.

122 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:35:32pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

Had to be done. The UN is severely disfunctional budget-wise, and it seems that its going to take a major defunding to get them to reform.

That's throwing the baby out with the bath water. How should they have spent their money better?

123 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:37:42pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

Had to be done. The UN is severely disfunctional budget-wise, and it seems that its going to take a major defunding to get them to reform.

Bullshit. The US wanted more control over internal UN workings and the UN said no. This was punishment, pure and simple.

124 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:38:58pm

Was thinking about "us versus them."

125 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:39:28pm

re: #124 Gus 802

Was thinking about "us versus them."

Hmm. So...are you on the side of the Alien, or the Predator?

126 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:39:39pm

The UN needs reformed no doubt but it's a dickhead move to defund an organization whose primary goal is helping feed and help impoverished children globally.

127 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:40:07pm

re: #125 EmmmieG

Hmm. So...are you on the side of the Alien, or the Predator?

Comic version or film version?

128 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:40:31pm

re: #124 Gus 802

Was thinking about "us versus them."

Three Stooges, or the Wolfman?

129 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:40:32pm

re: #125 EmmmieG

Hmm. So...are you on the side of the Alien, or the Predator?

Nope. I'm on Ripley's side.

130 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:41:22pm

Worried about a Zombie Apocalypse? Hornady has you covered.

131 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:41:46pm

State Official To GOP: Defunding The U.N. Would Take Pressure Off Iran

Republicans in Congress want to defund the United Nations. And at the same time, they also want to get tough with Iran. A senior State Department official advised them today that the former would undermine the latter. “Quite frankly, we should not unfund the U.N.,” said Undersecretary of State Wendy Sherman when pressed for concrete steps Congress should take to pressure Iran. Sherman, responding to a question from Rep. Connie Mack (R-FL) while testifying at the House Foreign Affairs Committee, defended the work of the IAEA and multilateral sanctions in bringing pressure on Tehran for its alleged nuclear weapons program.

132 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:43:24pm

re: #87 moderatelyradicalliberal

Well, I say all of the time the reason that black people seem to be able to dance is because it's our music that for the most part is being danced to. You try to get a bunch of black people to line dance to country music and we won't look nearly as agile. Trust me I've seen it, hilarity ensues.

I thought every black person comes out of the birth canal dancing. ///

Seriously - I once had a ballet teacher educate me on the fact that due to slavery, we have extra muscles in our backs that allow us to, you know, dance so good better than anybody else.

133 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:43:33pm

re: #123 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bullshit. The US wanted more control over internal UN workings and the UN said no. This was punishment, pure and simple.

And the punishment is justified. The UN defied the people who give it money and will thus receive less money.

134 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:44:20pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

And the punishment is justified.

Punitive con mentality.

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:44:43pm

re: #48 moderatelyradicalliberal

Would these normal white people be the white people who eat cucumber sandwiches, can't dance and quickly burn in the sun?

Hmmm. If you give me the cucumber sandwiches, my husband the sunburn tendencies, and take into account that neither of us can dance, we may add up to 1.33 normal white people between us.

136 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:46:16pm

And for all you wingnuts out there indulging in murderous fantasies of gunning down Muslims or leftist protesters, Betabrand has something for you:

Made from French Twill cotton, the Couch Commando Drawstring Pants feature six large pockets, including two oversized gusseted cargos, a flat-felled inseam, clever stitching detail, and drawstring ankle cinches. Available colors include Black, Olive Drab, Desert Khaki, and the limited edition ‘Digital Camo’ which consists of a digital pattern mashed up with classic 8-bit imagery from games such as Pac-Man and Galiga. These are the perfect pants for everyone who defends the world from the Nazi commie robot zombie plague with nothing but a six pack of root beer, a comfortable recliner, and a game controller at their side.

LOL

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:46:29pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Yeah people actually have cucumber sandwiches? That sounds weird even for me.

It's a English high tea thing. You make bitty sandwiches with wilted cucumber and butter. On white bread. With the crusts cut off, cut into tiny triangles.

OK, I make them once every three years or so, usually for a bridal shower, but they're sort of fun.

138 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:46:54pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

And the punishment is justified. The UN defied the people who give it money and will thus receive less money.

So if China, Russia, Iran, or Venezuela asked for the same things, then then the UN should give in on their internal policies as well?

139 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:48:37pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a English high tea thing. You make bitty sandwiches with wilted cucumber and butter. On white bread. With the crusts cut off, cut into tiny triangles.

OK, I make them once every three years or so, usually for a bridal shower, but they're sort of fun.

Never had them before. Doing MRL's formula, I'm only 1/3 normal white person snce I don't eat cucumber sandwiches, hold my own in the sun, but can't dance.

140 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:48:46pm

re: #132 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh! That explains why my brother has absolutely no rhythm to be found. Anywhere.
//

141 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:49:04pm

re: #78 moderatelyradicalliberal

How very English of you. The English colonized a country several countries overflowing with spices and never learned how to cook with any of them.

142 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:49:12pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

It's not surprising Cain is blaming Obama. As I said, he is a man who refuses to do his homework on foreign policy issues. If he gets called out on this though and reminded that Obama is merely continuing Bush's policy, is Cain going to do his favorite cop out- claim he was joking?

Yeah, and you have no sense of humor, since you did not laugh.

143 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:50:39pm

Hmm. No Alien movie clips.

144 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:52:36pm

re: #142 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, and you have no sense of humor, since you did not laugh.

Yeah I guess his humor is too sophisticated for me. Th one about the electric fence people say is better than the Aristocrats but I am not seeing it.

145 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:54:55pm

Boxcar Willie - San Antonio Rose

Youtube Video
146 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:55:11pm

Set 'em up.

147 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:55:52pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Yeah I guess his humor is too sophisticated for me. Th one about the electric fence people say is better than the Aristocrats but I am not seeing it.

Well, you just don't get it because you are a college-educated elitist.

Unlike Herman Cain who is also college educated -- he even went to one of those Negro Socialist Republic Separatist Colleges like that commie MLK. But he's seen the error of his ways and now realizes how much the party of white confederate conservatism supports everything he says. He is exceptional, that way. So, that's different!

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:57:48pm

re: #87 moderatelyradicalliberal

Well, I say all of the time the reason that black people seem to be able to dance is because it's our music that for the most part is being danced to. You try to get a bunch of black people to line dance to country music and we won't look nearly as agile. Trust me I've seen it, hilarity ensues.

This makes me laugh, because it reminds me of a middle-school dance I had to chaperone years ago. The school was divided into two camps, musically:

Hip-hop, listened to by the black kids and the first-generation Asian and Latino kids.

Rock, listened to by the white kids and the Asian and Latino kids whose parents were born in the States.

We had the world's most saintly DJ. I mean, if you're DJing a middle school dance, you're basically a saint anyway, but this man was awesome. His goal was to convince the kids to at least sample each other's music. At one point in the evening, he told the hip-hop team that he would play some 50 Cent, but ONLY if they would DANCE to the Green Day song he was about to put on.

One of the kids he was talking to leaned toward him, and said something earnestly. DJ boomed, "What do you mean, HOW can you dance to rock? You just dance! Move your arms and legs around or something! But dance! Or no 50 Cent!"

The Cha Cha Slide was the only thing that united the whole school.

149 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 9:59:03pm

re: #138 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So if China, Russia, Iran, or Venezuela asked for the same things, then then the UN should give in on their internal policies as well?

We pay more into the UN than all those countries put together, and for that we get organization that is often unresponsive or even hostile towards us. That needs to stop. So changes were demanded of the UN, which the UN refused to make. So now the UN is to be punished.

150 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:01:16pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

We pay more into the UN than all those countries put together, and for that we get organization that is often unresponsive or even hostile towards us. That needs to stop. So changes were demanded of the UN, which the UN refused to make. So now the UN is to be punished.

Dark. The UN is the least of our problems.

151 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:01:18pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

We pay more into the UN than all those countries put together, and for that we get organization that is often unresponsive or even hostile towards us. That needs to stop. So changes were demanded of the UN, which the UN refused to make. So now the UN is to be punished.

At the same time we need them to get tough on Iran. Then, we can turn around and bitch even more about how the UN can't get anything done.

152 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:01:19pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

We pay more into the UN than all those countries put together, and for that we get organization that is often unresponsive or even hostile towards us. That needs to stop. So changes were demanded of the UN, which the UN refused to make. So now the UN is to be punished.

The UN is not an arm of the US government. Just because we give more doesn't mean 'what we say goes.' Sort of defeats the purpose of having a UN.

153 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:01:46pm

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

State Official To GOP: Defunding The U.N. Would Take Pressure Off Iran

The UN has proven unable to make any inroads of substance against Iran. That official is wrong.

154 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:02:11pm

re: #150 Gus 802

It's the economy, stupid!

155 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:02:34pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

The UN has proven unable to make any inroads of substance against Iran. That official is wrong.

What about Korea? Bosnia? Don't forget the "successes."

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:03:50pm

re: #132 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I thought every black person comes out of the birth canal dancing. ///

Seriously - I once had a ballet teacher educate me on the fact that due to slavery, we have extra muscles in our backs that allow us to, you know, dance so good better than anybody else.

I weep for the state of science education in this country.

God have mercy.

157 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:04:00pm

My favorite part being that the UN was largely created by the USA.

So when you think of the UN? And want to complain? Just remember that it was created by the USA and relatively conservative men.

158 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:04:22pm

I suspect much of the animosity against the UN comes from ideologues in the US government opposed to AGW management.

159 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:05:53pm

re: #158 BigPapa

I suspect much of the animosity against the UN comes from ideologues in the US government opposed to AGW management.

I don't know. I saw animosity towards the UN before AGW became a big issue but I think that's a fair point. I don't get what good defunding UNICEF does.

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:06:01pm

re: #140 OhNoZombies!

Oh! That explains why my brother has absolutely no rhythm to be found. Anywhere.
//

There's a lovely novel, "Baby of the Family", which takes place in the 50s and 60s. When the protagonist is a teenager, she's a terrible dancer--and when her brothers want to make her cry, they tell her she dances like the white girls on "American Bandstand".

161 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:06:43pm

re: #158 BigPapa

I suspect much of the animosity against the UN comes from ideologues in the US government opposed to AGW management.

It's like the Fed conspiracy. Not much difference. People make the UN out like this all encompassing bureaucracy. And that's simply not true. The UN is not taking over the USA.

162 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:07:11pm

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

I weep for the state of science education in this country.

God have mercy.

I suppose her excuse was wartime education in the UK. This was 20+ years ago. She came over as a war bride. Great person in every other way, just still stuck in colonial mentality, even in the land of the yanks.

I think it's only gotten worse, though. The shyt these children say would be jawdropping if I didn't already feel I've heard as ignorant as ignorant as can get.

163 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:07:11pm

The UN is going to take away all of your guns.

164 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:07:35pm

The UN is going to ban meat.

165 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:07:44pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

The UN has proven unable to make any inroads of substance against Iran. That official is wrong.

Under Secretary for Political Affairs

The Under Secretary for Political Affairs Wendy Sherman is the Department's third-ranking official and its senior career diplomat. The Under Secretary serves as the day-to-day manager of overall regional and bilateral policy issues, and oversees the bureaus for Africa, East Asia and the Pacific, Europe and Eurasia, the Near East, South and Central Asia, the Western Hemisphere, International Organizations and International Narcotics and Law Enforcement.

You're right. What could she possibly know about international politics and the UN that a bunch of GOP congressmen don't already know?

166 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:07:54pm

The UN is going to ban hunting rifles and hunting.

167 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:09:31pm

re: #165 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Under Secretary for Political Affairs

You're right. What could she possibly know about international politics and the UN that a bunch of GOP congressmen don't already know?

Zygotes!

Look at the birdie.

168 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:09:54pm

I think some of the animosiy comes from American subcontractors missing the cash-flow from unilateral military action.

169 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:10:54pm

re: #168 OhNoZombies!

I think some of the animosiy comes from American subcontractors missing the cash-flow from unilateral military action.

No American citizen has ever smuggled weapons.

//

170 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:12:05pm

The Doors - Riders on the storm

Youtube Video
171 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:12:20pm

re: #169 Gus 802

No American citizen has ever smuggled weapons.

//

Without being paid?

172 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:12:50pm

re: #165 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Under Secretary for Political Affairs

You're right. What could she possibly know about international politics and the UN that a bunch of GOP congressmen don't already know?

The UN is the antichrist.

173 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:13:29pm

re: #169 Gus 802

Oh no. Never !
//

174 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:15:50pm

Thank you.

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175 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:17:48pm

re: #162 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I suppose her excuse was wartime education in the UK. This was 20+ years ago. She came over as a war bride. Great person in every other way, just still stuck in colonial mentality, even in the land of the yanks.

I think it's only gotten worse, though. The shyt these children say would be jawdropping if I didn't already feel I've heard as ignorant as ignorant as can get.

The daughter of a friend is starting college this fall. She learned that the girls in her dorm think that alcohol was invented in the nineteenth century.

I think Cal State has gone downhill since my parents went there.

176 Kragar  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:17:51pm

re: #172 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The UN is the antichrist.

I thought Obama was the antichrist.

This is getting all so confusing.

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:18:13pm

re: #171 EmmmieG

Without being paid?

Well, Rick was paid.

178 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:18:57pm

I never seen so many prisons like I did driving through Nevada.

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:20:02pm

re: #176 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I thought Obama was the antichrist.

This is getting all so confusing.

In the future, everyone will have been the Antichrist for fifteen minutes.

180 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:20:12pm

re: #176 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I thought Obama was the antichrist.

This is getting all so confusing.

Funny about Obama.

He can end the world.

But he can't fix the economy.

//

181 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:20:23pm

re: #174 Gus 802

Thank you.

Linky?

182 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:20:53pm

Hey all,

What happened so far this evening/morning?

183 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:22:58pm

re: #181 wlewisiii

Linky?

This page.

184 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:23:52pm

re: #183 Gus 802

This page.

Updinged ya. Great research. Too bad it won't matter to the jerks who smeared her.

185 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:24:04pm

re: #163 Gus 802

The UN is going to take away all of your guns.

No, IANSA would like to take away all your guns.

You have to get the initials correct.

186 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:24:40pm

re: #168 OhNoZombies!

I think some of the animosiy comes from American subcontractors missing the cash-flow from unilateral military action.

BS

187 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:25:02pm

re: #174 Gus 802

Thank you.

Wow, what post was that?

188 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:25:22pm

re: #182 ggt

Hey all,

What happened so far this evening/morning?

Bob Dylan -- Watching The River Flow

Youtube Video

He almost sounds like Rod Stewart in this song.

189 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:25:57pm

re: #187 ggt

Wow, what post was that?

A page of mine that got promoted.

190 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:25:59pm

re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist

The daughter of a friend is starting college this fall. She learned that the girls in her dorm think that alcohol was invented in the nineteenth century.

I think Cal State has gone downhill since my parents went there.

Well, it's all relative--if the earth is oly 6000 years old

oh wait, how long have the Irish been here?

191 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:27:46pm

re: #183 Gus 802

This page.

Ah. Thought I had +1'd it so I was a confused dufus.

Too much beer I fear. Good night all.

192 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:27:57pm

Well, I worked today, then spent time with the family and have been blissfully unaware of current events.

It's kinda nice. I can see why so many people put their heads in the sand and watch AmIdol.

193 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:34:24pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

Whatever.
The only time the GOP wants to persue anything is if some asshole somewhere stands to make a buck off of it, but it requires cooperation for the sake of the greater good, fageddabout it.
There is a pattern.

194 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:42:28pm

re: #193 OhNoZombies!

Whatever.
The only time the GOP wants to persue anything is if some asshole somewhere stands to make a buck off of it, but it requires cooperation for the sake of the greater good, fageddabout it.
There is a pattern.

Well, there are profiteers in both Parties. I think your statement is over-generalized.

195 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:47:10pm

re: #194 ggt

My issue is with the animosity in regards to the UN. Right now the GOP controls the purse strings, and they have a history of disdain for the UN. DF called bullshit. I don't think it is.

196 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:50:41pm

re: #195 OhNoZombies!

My issue is with the animosity in regards to the UN. Right now the GOP controls the purse strings, and they have a history of disdain for the UN. DF called bullshit. I don't think it is.

The UN is communist.

The UN is one world gubbament.

The UN hates us for our freedoms.

The UN is violent marxist racists.

Etc etc etc etc etc e_e

197 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:51:41pm

re: #196 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Freedom Fries anyone ?

198 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:53:54pm

re: #193 OhNoZombies!

Those contractors, whom you call "assholes" while making dark insinuations about them, build the technology that helps our soldiers win. Is Ares Armor, who makes plate carriers for our soldiers, a group of "assholes"? Would you call Reed Knight, whose firm produces the M110 rifle used by our Designated Marksmen, an "asshole"?

199 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:53:59pm

The UN is going to ban hatefucking.

200 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:54:23pm

The Federal government is all screwed up. Except for the military because it's not really the Federal government.re: #196 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The UN is communist.

The UN is one world gubbament.

The UN hates us for our freedoms.

The UN is violent marxist racists.

Etc etc etc etc etc e_e

It's funny because a lot of the critics keep laughing about how they never get anything done yet are always worried about how they're going to take over the world.

So basically I ask. How can they be this allegedly weak world governing body that only writes "sternly worded" letter yet are able to "take over the world" in the next sentence?

201 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:55:39pm

Seriously. How can you say that the UN doesn't do shit yet worry about the UN "taking over the world" in the next sentence. That doesn't make sense.

202 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:56:38pm

re: #201 Gus 802

Seriously. How can you say that the UN doesn't do shit yet worry about the UN "taking over the world" in the next sentence. That doesn't make sense.

It doesn't have to if your goal is to spread fear of the UN. Shit though UN conspiracy theories go back as early as its founding. The Birchers are and were big UN conspiracy types.

203 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 10:57:10pm

The UN just wrote another sternly worded letter to North Korea!

Hahahahaha!

Damn they don't have any balls and can't get anything done right.

But they're going to take over the world! Just you wait and see.

Huh?

204 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:01:47pm

Yet at the same time these same people want the USA to rule the world. No one world government. Right. Unless of course that one world government is the USA.

Google "incongruous".

205 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:02:17pm

Seriously, how exactly do the Republicans plan to defund the UN? The veto we have as a permanent member of the security council doesn't allow us to change the required member's dues structure just because we'd like to, it's already in place. This is the same reason that the Soviet Union couldn't just end the Korean war after they'd boycotted in 1950, what's decided and passed can't unilaterally be undone.

Aren't the Republicans just proposing another ineffectual temper tantrum? That does seem to be their specialty, wring their fists and cry like babies while accomplishing nothing.

206 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:02:52pm

re: #201 Gus 802

Seriously. How can you say that the UN doesn't do shit yet worry about the UN "taking over the world" in the next sentence. That doesn't make sense.

I remind you that I did not do the bolded portion.

207 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:03:26pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

I remind you that I did not do the bolded portion.

Wasn't talking about you DF.

208 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:05:52pm

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

Those contractors, whom you call "assholes" while making dark insinuations about them, build the technology that helps our soldiers win kill people on the other side of the world that did nothing to us.

fxd

Is Ares Armor, who makes plate carriers for our soldiers, a group of "assholes"? Would you call Reed Knight, whose firm produces the M110 rifle used by our Designated Marksmen, an "asshole"?

There is more to life than obsessing about killing machines.

209 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:08:02pm

re: #196 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The UN is communist.

The UN is one world gubbament.

The UN hates us for our freedoms.

The UN is violent marxist racists.

Etc etc etc etc etc e_e

The UN is a group of diplomats.

210 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:08:20pm

re: #204 Gus 802

Yet at the same time these same people want the USA to rule the world. No one world government. Right. Unless of course that one world government is the USA.

You sound very French.

Google "incongruous".

Or, "sniveling conservative cowards".

211 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:10:02pm

Dramatize much?
Actually I'm glad they make that stuff, do the damn thing. However, where were they when my family put money together to buy armor, and phone cards for my brother in law?
What revenue was the GOP collecting to make sure our guys had fresh food and water? Where was the funding for the veterans hospitals that were overwhelmed by our guys who are going to suffer for the rest of their lives for WMD's the UN security council said were long gone.
I could go on and on, but I'm not. Now here's the thing though, don't try to moralizing to me because your guys fucked up.

212 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:10:03pm

re: #210 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Or, "sniveling conservative cowards".

Probably because my parents were born and raised in Buenos Aires.

Most of the world thinks like this as you know.

American's are in the minority.

213 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:10:21pm

re: #207 Gus 802

Wasn't talking about you DF.

That would be the JBS, who have never stopped quacking about UN takeovers since the 60s, and who the baggers brought back with their USAfuckyeah confederate stupidity.

214 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:12:53pm

re: #212 Gus 802

Probably because my parent were born and raised in Buenos Aires.

Most of the world thinks like this as you know.

American's are in the minority.

The warmongering kind of Americans, anyway. I would say, most people aren't consumed with projecting their own inadequacies on the rest of the planet, just the bloodthirsty.

215 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:14:31pm

re: #213 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That would be the JBS, who have never stopped quacking about UN takeovers since the 60s, and who the baggers brought back with their USAfuckyeah confederate stupidity.

Most of it really is a UN conspiracy theory. There are some valid criticisms. Plenty of them. But they're hardly taking over the world. They've good things and they've done bad things. Just like United States Air Force.

216 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:16:09pm

The UN is going to ban soy bomb.

217 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:16:46pm

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

Seriously, how exactly do the Republicans plan to defund the UN? The veto we have as a permanent member of the security council doesn't allow us to change the required member's dues structure just because we'd like to, it's already in place. This is the same reason that the Soviet Union couldn't just end the Korean war after they'd boycotted in 1950, what's decided and passed can't unilaterally be undone.

Aren't the Republicans just proposing another ineffectual temper tantrum? That does seem to be their specialty, wring their fists and cry like babies while accomplishing nothing.

Google "emotionally retarded failures".

They act just like the God a lot of them purport to worship.

218 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:16:55pm

I have found an exceedingly bizarre website, dedicated to obsessing over how masculine top fashion models are because of the eeevil homosexual designers.

Page after page of this stuff. Their facial shapes. All their body parts. Contrasted with 'feminine' 'glamour models' from porn sites.

We're now onto a page dedicated to bitching about how 'masculine' and unsexy various famous models are.

And then I got to this sentence: "For those who do not know, Tom Ford is a homosexual."

And I cannot stop laughing.

I don't even remember how I found this site.

Poor Tom Ford. I was on a makeup site earlier where people were complaining about his cosmetics line. And now I find that he's being outed by a psychotic who can't stop complaining about how supermodels have flat behinds.

219 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:19:00pm

re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist

wut

220 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:19:51pm

re: #208 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

And for that, you can go take a long walk off a short pier.

221 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:20:37pm

Good Night, all.

222 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:21:26pm

re: #200 Gus 802

The Federal government is all screwed up. Except for the military because it's not really the Federal government.

We are for states rights.

Which is why are so passionate about Herman Cain. And his national sales tax.

Oh wait, umm...

223 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:21:49pm

re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist

That's actually a very common complaint, in the fashion world. Also there's the "why would you trust a gay man's taste" point of view.

224 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:22:05pm

re: #219 Sergey Romanov

wut

Well, did YOU know that Tom Ford was a homosexual?

225 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:22:36pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

And for that, you can go take a long walk off a short pier.

Shove off.

226 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:23:12pm

re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't really know who that is.

227 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:24:26pm

re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist

Um, like he's not broadcast it about...
///

228 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:25:15pm

re: #226 Sergey Romanov

Very talented man, in fashion, so not up your alley, so to speak.

229 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:26:18pm

Just read my # 211. Was that too much?
It's nearly 2:30 a.m., I'm tired and possibly irritable.

230 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:26:50pm

re: #228 Floral Giraffe

LOL. Well, I looked him up. Now there's more junk in my head.

Wait, that didn't sound right.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:27:27pm

re: #223 Floral Giraffe

That's actually a very common complaint, in the fashion world. Also there's the "why would you trust a gay man's taste" point of view.

Oh, I've heard it before, just not in such great, obsessive, hilarious detail.

I mean, yes, the basic point is true. Fashion modeling as it currently exists involves, as Ogden Nash explained in a rant about dieting, 'looking like the ghost of someone's twelve-year-old brother, not the ghost itself, mind you, which is fairly solid, but an outline of it'. (And he was complaining many decades ago.)

But this website is deranged. "Look! Kate Moss has no butt, and prominent cheekbones! Look, this girl from a nudie site has a butt, and less visible cheekbones! IT'S A PLOT!!!"

And speaking of types of bodies, I really miss Mode Magazine.

232 laZardo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:28:32pm

re: #229 OhNoZombies!

No, you're good. It's better than how nasty I can get about Libya.

233 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:28:32pm

re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist

I have found an exceedingly bizarre website, dedicated to obsessing over how masculine top fashion models are because of the eeevil homosexual designers.

Page after page of this stuff. Their facial shapes. All their body parts. Contrasted with 'feminine' 'glamour models' from porn sites.

We're now onto a page dedicated to bitching about how 'masculine' and unsexy various famous models are.

And then I got to this sentence: "For those who do not know, Tom Ford is a homosexual."

And I cannot stop laughing.

I don't even remember how I found this site.

Poor Tom Ford. I was on a makeup site earlier where people were complaining about his cosmetics line. And now I find that he's being outed by a psychotic who can't stop complaining about how supermodels have flat behinds.

You know, I look at a lot of ads. I like fashion. And I've found the models lately to be strangely androgynous. I mean, the girls have girly attributes or are at least made to look that way --butts or boobs are overtly shown and the guys look like junior high schoolers all dressed-up.

Maybe I'm just old. I don't find the guys sexy and the girls are more ridiculous that I think I've ever seen.

234 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:29:50pm

re: #232 laZardo

:)

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:30:12pm

re: #226 Sergey Romanov

I don't really know who that is.

Fashion designer. I'm only vaguely familiar because he also has a line of fragrances, and perfume is one of my things.

Also a line of cosmetics that cost way too much, and have ads I find singularly unappealing.

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:30:58pm

re: #227 Floral Giraffe

Um, like he's not broadcast it about...
///

Not the secret of the century, exactly.

237 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:33:00pm

re: #229 OhNoZombies!

Just read my # 211. Was that too much?

No, it wasn't.

But don't expect a response that's not packed to the gills with sales brochure copy for killing machines.

238 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:33:13pm

re: #229 OhNoZombies!

Just read my # 211. Was that too much?
It's nearly 2:30 a.m., I'm tired and possibly irritable.

Sometimes, it's just better to take the high road.

I watched a segment on C-SPAN a few years ago. Bill Clinton was talking with a group of college kids in their classroom. He said about the 2000 election--was he angry that the Republican's won?

(paraphrasing) "No, they did their job. What it means is that we didn't do ours."

Everyone has something to offer.

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:35:45pm

Sorry, everyone, I am now over the insane website. And have resigned myself to the fact that Tom Ford will probably never be mine for a night of wild passion.

//

240 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:36:05pm

re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, did YOU know that Tom Ford was a homosexual?

I'm not exactly surprised by the news.

Didn't he direct A Single Man?

*checks the google*

Yep.

241 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:38:17pm

re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, everyone, I am now over the insane website. And have resigned myself to the fact that Tom Ford will probably never be mine for a night of wild passion.

//

A funny site. Found it. The "right" kind of kook - original and wacky.

242 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:39:08pm

re: #241 Sergey Romanov

link?

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:39:51pm

re: #240 goddamnedfrank

I'm not exactly surprised by the news.

Didn't he direct A Single Man?

*checks the google*

Yep.

Indeed. And the fox terriers in the movie are pets belonging to him and his partner. (I guess this is the dog owner's equivalent of giving your kid a role.)

(I did not know this, but I'm currently looking at his Wikipedia page.)

((Knowing that he has beloved dogs makes me more sympathetic, despite the ghastly makeup ads.))

244 Gus  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:40:16pm

'Night.

245 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:40:17pm

A list of the criminals/terrorists to be released for Shalit:

Scribd Document

The amounts of multiple life sentences is staggering. Is this the right decision?

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:40:19pm

re: #242 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

link?

www.femininebeauty.info, I believe.

247 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:40:22pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

And then there's the whole "feed Me" protest thing going on.

248 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:40:57pm

re: #242 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

link?

[Link: www.femininebeauty.info...]

249 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:41:28pm

re: #237 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, but I don't really have a problem with the weapon-y talk. I don't like to be condescended to.
I ain't no tree-huggin peace-nik.
//

250 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:41:38pm

re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, everyone, I am now over the insane website. And have resigned myself to the fact that Tom Ford will probably never be mine for a night of wild passion.

//

OMG. I just spit water everywhere.
SFZ, no, he is never going to be yours for a wild night of passion.
EVER.

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:43:02pm

re: #245 Sergey Romanov

A list of the criminals/terrorists to be released for Shalit:

[Link: www.scribd.com...]

The amounts of multiple life sentences is staggering. Is this the right decision?

The trade? Hell if I know. A lot of people I know are very unhappy about it, but the thought of leaving him there is unbearable to me.

I'm glad I don't make these kinds of calls.

One of the people being released is the woman who drove the Sbarro bomber.

252 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:43:36pm

re: #240 goddamnedfrank

LOL, I posted too soon. I should have kept looking for a stronger image.

253 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:43:59pm

re: #238 ggt

Yep. I think if it were earlier in the day, I would have taken a different approach.

254 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:44:33pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

It is indeed a tough call. But I think it should be considered that these released terrorists will kill many more people. So it's not 1 for 1000+, unfortunately.

255 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:45:59pm

re: #249 OhNoZombies!

Yeah, but I don't really have a problem with the weapon-y talk. I don't like to be condescended to.
I ain't no tree-huggin peace-nik.
//

Neither am I. I'm pro-military but that's not the same as military do no wrong, especially as you say their guys f' up.

99.9% of the time, I just skip over the weapons-OCD.

256 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:47:09pm

re: #253 OhNoZombies!

Yep. I think if it were earlier in the day, I would have taken a different approach.

Yeah, There is probably some version of the IF rule relating to fatigue.

257 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:48:10pm

re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, everyone, I am now over the insane website. And have resigned myself to the fact that Tom Ford will probably never be mine for a night of wild passion.

//

Well, there are soooooo many other's to choose from that like girls that way.

:0

258 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:50:57pm

re: #254 Sergey Romanov

It is indeed a tough call. But I think it should be considered that these released terrorists will kill many more people. So it's not 1 for 1000+, unfortunately.

I think, that to get him released, is worth almost anything. The animals traded for him, can & will be tracked. It is very sad, what has been done to this man. I pray for him, his sanity, and his family.

259 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:52:47pm

re: #247 Floral Giraffe

And then there's the whole "feed Me" protest thing going on.

Well, the standards of the profession are simply too thin now. Just looking at some of the 'girls' from the 80s--Christie Brinkley, or Elle McPherson--they were rail-thin, sure, but not to this extreme.

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:53:26pm

re: #250 Floral Giraffe

OMG. I just spit water everywhere.
SFZ, no, he is never going to be yours for a wild night of passion.
EVER.

Well, you don't have to sound so SURE about that.

SULK.

261 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:53:49pm

Tom Ford Cosmetics at Neiman Marcus.

Yeah, $30 for a Nail Laquer is pricy. Unless, it is guaranteed not to come off until you take it off.

But, for that price, you can have the colored gel applied at the nail salon.

262 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:54:02pm

re: #257 ggt

Well, there are sooo many other's to choose from that like girls that way.

:0

And I'm married, so there's that...

:)

263 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:55:22pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

And I'm married, so there's that...

:)

Oh, so it doesn't matter --in your fantasies, your husband could be Tom Ford!

:0000

264 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:57:07pm

Have a good night all.

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:59:00pm

re: #263 ggt

Oh, so it doesn't matter --in your fantasies, your husband could be Tom Ford!

:0000

Only if I NEVER tell him that!

266 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 12:02:01am

This is funny. Well, facepalm funny. But still somewhat current, given commiebaiting 3.0 going on. Again.

"Behind the News"; Negro-Japanese Fifth Column Possible - March 2, 1942

267 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 12:02:09am

So, now the ads on the sidebar show me things from Neiman Marcus.

I don't get that. If I know the site already, why show it to me again. Show me something I don't know about - no?

268 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 12:02:36am

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

Only if I NEVER tell him that!

oh, like HE doesn't have a mental rolodex?

269 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 12:03:45am

I didn't get my nap today and am getting silly.

Probably a version of the IF rule that should be: If you posting silly things, you need to log-off and go to sleep.

Have a great one all!

270 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 12:07:19am

re: #268 ggt

oh, like HE doesn't have a mental rolodex?

Oh, he does at that, I'm sure. ;)

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 12:07:42am

re: #269 ggt

I didn't get my nap today and am getting silly.

Probably a version of the IF rule that should be: If you posting silly things, you need to log-off and go to sleep.

Have a great one all!

Aaaah, it's late night on LGF. We used to do this all the time.

272 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 12:15:50am

re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, you don't have to sound so SURE about that.

SULK.

OK, he might want YOU, and only YOU, someday!
(Just don't be holding your breath, OK?)

273 laZardo  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 12:18:58am

re: #258 Floral Giraffe

I think, that to get him released, is worth almost anything. The animals traded for him, can & will be tracked. It is very sad, what has been done to this man. I pray for him, his sanity, and his family.

Or sent to another country to have a lavish birthday party.

[deleted because one of them happened to be on his own birthday too]

274 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 12:53:38am

A Brief History of Music Censorship in The United States
Image: MusicCensorshipTimelineInfographic_Purple_.png
/Daily WFMU Pimpage

275 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 1:11:52am

re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist

And then I got to this sentence: "For those who do not know, Tom Ford is a homosexual."

What's amazing is that I found that sentence on two different pages

[Link: www.femininebeauty.info...]
[Link: www.laudit.com...]

276 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 1:13:34am

re: #275 000G

Blogs copying stuff from sites wholesale is not very amazing.

277 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 1:19:29am

re: #276 Sergey Romanov

Blogs copying stuff from sites wholesale is not very amazing.

Maybe. I still find the accelerated proliferation of ridiculous content on the internet noteworthy. Maybe that means I'm old.

278 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 1:35:57am

German government trojan updates:

Interior Minister Friedrich says that the reason he has ordered that the trojan not get used anymore is due to the source code being public so it can possibly be exploited now. Also, he admits that the Feds are using another trojan now. And the shenanigans in Bavaria supposedly justified because "the Bavarian administration has a legality concept different from the Landshut court and they have to be able to surveil communication".

Spiegel reports that the Federal Police are now supposedly shifting to coding the trojans themselves. Hilarity garantueed to ensue!

279 freetoken  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 1:39:38am
MP3 Audio
280 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 1:44:21am

Morning, all

281 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 1:44:59am

re: #280 researchok

Morning, all

good morning.... 1:44 am here...

282 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 1:50:07am

4:50 here..

283 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 1:51:05am

East Coast... heheh.... where abouts?

284 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 1:51:12am

re: #278 000G

I see an updated Keystone Cops here.

Talk about a fiasco in the making.

285 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 1:54:58am

re: #275 000G

Speaking of models, (I don't know or care much about Tom Ford) I always went for the girl next door type.

Except for Isabella Rosselinni. She was a goddess.

286 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 1:55:28am

re: #283 boxhead

East Coast... heheh... where abouts?

I'm in Raleigh, NC.

Originally from the UK.

You?

287 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 1:58:20am

re: #283 boxhead

Where on the west coast are you?

288 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:03:02am

re: #286 researchok

I'm in Raleigh, NC.

Originally from the UK.

Ahh, English educated. I knew there was a reason we always were able to have good discussions. :)

I am born and bred in Los Angeles...

289 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:07:23am

re: #288 boxhead


Well, I appreciate POV's that are different than my own. Choir music gets dull after a while.

Around here, for the most part, you can really engage in good exchanges.

I've learned a lot and have pretty much moderated my own views. I'm still right of center, but much more centrist now.

290 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:14:06am

re: #287 researchok

Where on the west coast are you?

I grew up in a port side district of Los Angeles called Wilmington. I have heard it called, "The arm pit of LA", "Where the sewer meets the sea", "Heart of the Harbor". and my favorite, the ghetto. heheh.

I still live about a half a mile from my parents. And the area is both good and bad. Much like any working town.

291 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:19:38am

re: #290 boxhead

Understood.

I have lots of family in Manchester, also a blue collar town.

I will say this- they are a lot more authentic, for sure- less pretentious, lmore real.

292 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:22:25am

re: #290 boxhead

I grew up in a port side district of Los Angeles called Wilmington. I have heard it called, "The arm pit of LA", "Where the sewer meets the sea", "Heart of the Harbor". and my favorite, the ghetto. heheh.

I still live about a half a mile from my parents. And the area is both good and bad. Much like any working town.

I know exactly where that is. San Pedro, 47, end of the 110, and such.

There are worse things. Like Orange County, or some crap like Elsinore e_e

293 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:23:33am

re: #289 researchok

Well, I appreciate POV's that are different than my own. Choir music gets dull after a while.

Around here, for the most part, you can really engage in good exchanges.

I've learned a lot and have pretty much moderated my own views. I'm still right of center, but much more centrist now.

When I was younger, I held pretty strong to the Right. Voted for Reagen twice, Bush Sr once and then I started to look behind the curtain. I am good friends with people who have called me a commie when they were drunk... LOL

I am definitely a right of center person if the right is where it was in the 80's. I am so not ok with the anti science crowd. That is anti America as far as I am concerned. While I have spoken negatively against single issue voters, I can not vote for an anti science person. Young Earth, creationism, global climate change doesn't exist, if it does, Rapture is upon us, etc. It is a shame that makes me a bleeding Lib by a HUGE portion of USA.

hmm, I should make a T-shirt expressing that somehow... lol

294 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:23:46am

re: #285 researchok

Speaking of models, (I don't know or care much about Tom Ford) I always went for the girl next door type.

Except for Isabella Rosselinni. She was a goddess.

I like her mom.

295 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:24:05am

re: #292 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

All I know about LA area is that without fail,no matter the time of day, I will a) get caught in traffic and b) get lost.

296 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:25:02am

re: #293 boxhead

When I was younger, I held pretty strong to the Right. Voted for Reagen twice, Bush Sr once and then I started to look behind the curtain. I am good friends with people who have called me a commie when they were drunk... LOL

I am definitely a right of center person if the right is where it was in the 80's. I am so not ok with the anti science crowd. That is anti America as far as I am concerned. While I have spoken negatively against single issue voters, I can not vote for an anti science person. Young Earth, creationism, global climate change doesn't exist, if it does, Rapture is upon us, etc. It is a shame that makes me a bleeding Lib by a HUGE portion of USA.

hmm, I should make a T-shirt expressing that somehow... lol

That is exactly where I am.

297 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:25:32am

re: #294 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Get to the back of line, bud.
/

298 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:26:21am

re: #291 researchok

Understood.

I have lots of family in Manchester, also a blue collar town.

I will say this- they are a lot more authentic, for sure- less pretentious, lmore real.

You have to be, cause you will get your BS called by the ones you love the most. That is almost a sport in my family.

299 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:26:40am

re: #297 researchok

Get to the back of line, bud.
/

Well she's gone, so...

300 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:28:58am

re: #299 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well she's gone, so...

She still ranks high on the most extraordinary women list...

Overall, I like the more real type, the day to day real life people.

301 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:30:18am

re: #292 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I know exactly where that is. San Pedro, 47, end of the 110, and such.

There are worse things. Like Orange County, or some crap like Elsinore e_e

Orange County is like GOP, rich folk land from our point of view. They may a couple of "interesting" cities. But that is where the While Flight ended up when leaving LA. Lake Elsinore is another critter. Both meth labs and middle class mixed. Bad is that much of the home buyers' loans are under water. But there is a great paintball field there. Jungle Island. w00t

302 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:32:09am

re: #300 researchok

She still ranks high on the most extraordinary women list...

Overall, I like the more real type, the day to day real life people.

I know what you mean. I'm the same way.

303 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:32:47am

re: #302 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I know what you mean. I'm the same way.

Great minds and all that...

304 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:38:42am

re: #284 researchok

I see an updated Keystone Cops here.

Talk about a fiasco in the making.

Germany has become a joke.

Our election laws are unconstitutional, but the government let the deadline for fixing them run out.

Our next federal elections will not be legally valid. Any constitutional challenge will likely overturn them.

305 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:38:45am

re: #296 researchok

That is exactly where I am.

And by your name I'd assume you have a logical mind. Learning logic and critical thinking is so necessary for society. But it must be tempered with a good heart. I can not understate that.

306 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:38:58am

re: #301 boxhead

Orange County is like GOP, rich folk land from our point of view. They may a couple of "interesting" cities. But that is where the While Flight ended up when leaving LA. Lake Elsinore is another critter. Both meth labs and middle class mixed. Bad is that much of the home buyers' loans are under water. But there is a great paintball field there. Jungle Island. w00t

GOP, something to prove, hilarious/nauseating class-anxieties, absolutely loathsome, reactionary conservatism of every kind -- even though "Los Angeles" gets that rich/pretentious stereotype, there is much more of that found in the outlying areas.

It's sad about the Inland Empire/Smog belt being one of the worst for foreclosures, because that affects so many more than just the pretentious cons. But I was not surprised about that in the least. I'm very familiar with that mentality.

307 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:42:22am

re: #304 000G

That's an interesting state of affairs. Will a constitutional challenge be made?

308 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:42:29am

re: #304 000G

Germany has become a joke.

Our election laws are unconstitutional, but the government let the deadline for fixing them run out.

Our next federal elections will not be legally valid. Any constitutional challenge will likely overturn them.

Germany will absolutely have to sort this mess out, if for no other reason than Europe does need a strong Germany, history notwithstanding.

See this- I'll be posting it tomorrow.

Germany's Not That Sorry Anymore

309 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:43:40am

re: #305 boxhead

Well, I muddle through like everyone else!

310 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:45:44am

re: #306 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

GOP, something to prove, hilarious/nauseating class-anxieties, absolutely loathsome, reactionary conservatism of every kind -- even though "Los Angeles" gets that rich/pretentious stereotype, there is much more of that found in the outlying areas.

Only the currently modern iteration of the GOP is the one I think is truly anything BUT Conservative. I still think William Buckly Jr was a man to admire.

It's sad about the Inland Empire/Smog belt being one of the worst for foreclosures, because that affects so many more than just the pretentious cons. But I was not surprised about that in the least. I'm very familiar with that mentality.

San Bernadino and Riverside Counties experienced huge growth in the home building sector during the build up. They suffered greatly.

311 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:46:14am

re: #309 researchok

Well, I muddle through like everyone else!

heheh...

312 Aye Pod  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:46:51am

re: #41 Gus 802

What's interesting too is that I made a point of not insulting anyone including PJTV and Zombie. I did make a suggestion which will probably never be completely heeded. I acknowledge the presence of anti-Semitism at some OWS events:

And this was cause for such discombobulation?

I think some people need to lay off the coffee or something.

But of course. Here I'm assuming they actually read anything.

313 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:48:29am

re: #310 boxhead

Later Buckley, not the earlier racist one, right?

314 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:51:56am

re: #307 Obdicut

That's an interesting state of affairs. Will a constitutional challenge be made?

I really can't see it not happening. Both parties and voters could sue.

The supposed solution came only after the deadline had passed: [Link: www.spiegel.de...]

The opposition parties already announced that they are going to sue:
[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

It's a clusterfuck from what I can tell.

315 Aye Pod  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:52:28am

re: #41 Gus 802

What's interesting too is that I made a point of not insulting anyone including PJTV and Zombie. I did make a suggestion which will probably never be completely heeded. I acknowledge the presence of anti-Semitism at some OWS events:

And this was cause for such discombobulation?

I think some people need to lay off the coffee or something.

But of course. Here I'm assuming they actually read anything.

Heh. It's not even as though you mentioned what a total freak Zombie is. Pretending for years to be a woman (I think he claimed it was to 'protect his identity'...lol) and having conversations with himself on LGF via sockpuppets.

Someone who behaves lie that is not to be trusted over anything.

316 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:55:02am

re: #314 000G

Btw, this is at the heart of the matter: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

317 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:55:27am

re: #310 boxhead

Only the currently modern iteration of the GOP is the one I think is truly anything BUT Conservative. I still think William Buckly Jr was a man to admire.

San Bernadino and Riverside Counties experienced huge growth in the home building sector during the build up. They suffered greatly.

He is a fun read - a true man of letters. As a person, though, he just seems like another progenitor of sniveling conservative snots. He's one reason I crack my side laughing when today's pointing-and-crying conservatives try to label others "elitists". It's like...please e_e

Re: SB and R counties, if they don't exemplify the parable of the house(s) built on sand, I don't know what does.

318 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:58:14am

re: #315 Jimmah

What struck me is that Alouette, SFZ, Marjoriemoon, and I all had the same reaction when we saw the sign; we assumed it was being held by a Jew, because while it's a little weird, it's a little weird in a way that makes sense if you're being preachy and you're Jewish. It doesn't make much sense as a sign if you're anti-semitic.

So did these twerps bother to ask any Jew whether they thought the sign was anti-semitic?

It gets really creepy having so many right-wingers 'defending' me as a Jew from anti-semitism without actually really knowing jack shit about Jews.

319 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:58:27am

re: #313 Obdicut

Later Buckley, not the earlier racist one, right?

I guess, so, I just remember watching him with my dad when I was younger and then myself watching him as a old dude. Now I am feeling silly. Was he really racist in his younger days? And did he reconcile that as he grew older? I When I watched his show, he did not seem like the type of person that would fall into the intellectual dishonesty that breeds racism.

320 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:03:58am

re: #319 boxhead

It wasn't only conservatives who were racist back then.

That kind of bigotry crossed all political lines.

321 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:04:42am

re: #318 Obdicut

What struck me is that Alouette, SFZ, Marjoriemoon, and I all had the same reaction when we saw the sign; we assumed it was being held by a Jew, because while it's a little weird, it's a little weird in a way that makes sense if you're being preachy and you're Jewish. It doesn't make much sense as a sign if you're anti-semitic.

So did these twerps bother to ask any Jew whether they thought the sign was anti-semitic?

It gets really creepy having so many right-wingers 'defending' me as a Jew from anti-semitism without actually really knowing jack shit about Jews.

Oh, I can relate.

322 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:04:59am

re: #319 boxhead

Was he really racist in his younger days? And did he reconcile that as he grew older?

He reconciled to a great extent, but yes, he was racist both in policy and attitude when younger.

Even his reconciliation was still, to my eyes, racist.

Buckley's editorial "Why the South Must Prevail" spoke out explicitly in favor of white supremacy in the South. It argued that "the central question that emerges... is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas where it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes – the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race."

It's 'cultural' racism rather than 'ethnic' racism, but it amounts to the same thing in the end.

323 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:05:07am

re: #317 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

He is a fun read - a true man of letters. As a person, though, he just seems like another progenitor of sniveling conservative snots. He's one reason I crack my side laughing when today's pointing-and-crying conservatives try to label others "elitists". It's like...please e_e

Re: SB and R counties, if they don't exemplify the parable of the house(s) built on sand, I don't know what does.

Buckley got my dad to back legalization of pot.... If you knew my dad, you would know what a feat that was.

On SB&R. When driving on the 15 towards Death Valley and such, (Vegas for the other folks), I wold see huge tracks of new homes built in Apple Valley and Victorville. What struck me as odd, was that even though these homes where in the middle of no where, they still only has a token backyard. All home, 5 minutes of mowing, front and back. Homes right on top of each other. Gotta love that maximize every cent attitude.

324 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:06:09am

re: #320 researchok

It wasn't only conservatives who were racist back then.

That kind of bigotry crossed all political lines.

Weirdly enough, nobody claimed that only conservatives were racist back then.

But the ones who fought against civil rights, were conservatives, like Buckley. The liberals and the progressives were the ones who fought for civil rights.

325 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:07:59am

re: #324 Obdicut

Weirdly enough, nobody claimed that only conservatives were racist back then.

But the ones who fought against civil rights, were conservatives, like Buckley. The liberals and the progressives were the ones who fought for civil rights.

Actually, a lot of Dems fought tooth and nail against civil rights legislation while most iof the GOP fought for the legislation.

Johnson had a hell of time.

326 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:09:09am

re: #320 researchok

It wasn't only conservatives who were racist back then.

That kind of bigotry crossed all political lines.

Basically, yes it was, and is.

Another parallel: there are liberals/progressives/people on the left/whatever, who have damaging ideas about LGBTs. Those are conservative ideas.

The thing that cracks me up is the sudden come-to-jesus moments that aren't really come-to-jesus moments by this new swath of conservatives who finally got it through their thick skulls that policing people's bedrooms is not "limited government".

Genius.

327 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:09:20am

re: #325 researchok

Actually, a lot of Dems fought tooth and nail against civil rights legislation while most iof the GOP fought for the legislation.

Johnson had a hell of time.

I'm sorry, but why are you talking about Democrats and the GOP? I was talking about conservatives and liberals. The Democrats-- mostly Dixiecrats, the Southern Democrats-- were conservatives, who largely then joined the GOP as a result of this battle and the Southern Strategy.

328 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:12:01am

re: #325 researchok

Actually, a lot of Dems conservatives fought tooth and nail against civil rights legislation while most iof the GOP fought for the legislation.

Johnson had a hell of time.

fxd that old worn-out canard

329 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:12:28am

re: #322 Obdicut

He reconciled to a great extent, but yes, he was racist both in policy and attitude when younger.

Even his reconciliation was still, to my eyes, racist.

Buckley's editorial "Why the South Must Prevail" spoke out explicitly in favor of white supremacy in the South. It argued that "the central question that emerges... is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas where it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes – the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race."

It's 'cultural' racism rather than 'ethnic' racism, but it amounts to the same thing in the end.

The phrase, "for the time being" is interesting. If it means what I think it means, why didn't he come out and say strong education for all must happen, positive steps must be taken to help families with broken societal skills to relearn what was taken from them, so that all Americans can be equally American...

or am I reading too much into it? :)

330 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:12:40am

re: #327 Obdicut

Was John Kennedy a conservative?

He was opposed to Eisenhower sending in troops to force Democrat governor Orval Faubus to integrate public schools.

Johnson opposed that as well.

331 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:14:07am

re: #326 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I've been meaning to ask you: What do you think of stuff like this?:

Youtube Video
332 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:17:07am

re: #328 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

fxd that old worn-out canard

oh how the current GOP loves to say how the Dems fought against The Civil Rights Acts. And when I next bring up the conservative, vs progressive thing, AND, that all those Dems switched to GOP after the fact, I get bathed in spittle caused by their furious blathering and gnashing of teeth. Well at least two times I actually got wet... LOL

333 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:17:15am

re: #330 researchok

Yes, Kennedy was more conservative than Eisenhower on civil rights earlier in his career, whether from a cynical political view or from actual conviction. He then supported some moderate civil rights action while president, but did not lead on it.

I have no idea what you think that proves. You seem stuck on the "Democrat/Republican" thing.

334 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:18:33am

re: #326 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I have to disagree.

For example, was Patrick Moynihan a 'Dixiecrat'? He admonished the black community about the dissolution of family, abortion, etc., all ideas we would now consider 'racist'.

The issue of racism is too comples to reduce to simple terms, I'm afraid.

I will say to the Dems credit, they reinvented themselves in the 70's and that has gone a long way. The GOP could stand to do teh same in many areas.

335 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:19:52am

re: #329 boxhead

Exactly. If the whites have the right to dominate politically and culturally, how can black people be expected to 'advance'? If 'advancement' is possible, then surely whites are also 'advancing' and with the advantage of education, political power, and wealth, they'd surely 'advance' faster than blacks would unless there was a massive program to make sure that blacks got supported educationally, fiscally, and otherwise to a higher degree than white people.

336 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:20:12am

re: #331 000G

e_e "Democrat party" "racist margaret sanger" "you libs"

This is showbiz, appeals to partisan Republican bigots, desperate for a black person to articulate their anti-Black views.

337 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:20:40am

re: #334 researchok

For example, was Patrick Moynihan a 'Dixiecrat'? He admonished the black community about the dissolution of family, abortion, etc., all ideas we would now consider 'racist'.

I don't consider that racist. I do consider his views on abortion to be conservative.

338 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:22:29am

re: #334 researchok

He admonished the black community about the dissolution of family, abortion, etc., all ideas we would now consider 'racist'.

Uh-huh.

And what do you think was "the black community" response to Moynihan, then?

339 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:23:39am

re: #332 boxhead

oh how the current GOP loves to say how the Dems fought against The Civil Rights Acts. And when I next bring up the conservative, vs progressive thing, AND, that all those Dems switched to GOP after the fact, I get bathed in spittle caused by their furious blathering and gnashing of teeth. Well at least two times I actually got wet... LOL

In fact, the Dems of that era did fight against civil rights- it was the GOP's Eisenhower who signed the Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960.

That came after the 125 hour filibuster by 18 Dems.

Also, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by most Republicans, fought by many Dems.

340 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:23:59am

Morning Honcos.

341 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:24:03am

The tides are turning:

Coulter Gives Up, Endorses Mitt Romney: ‘You’ve Got To Go With What You Have’

342 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:24:40am

I do think, however, that Moynihan was wrong, or simplistic, or didn't identify correctly the root causes of that disintegration of black families that he identified. But I don't think the ideas were racist. He was concerned about what he saw as a pathology, and his solution was that he wanted blacks to have better access to jobs.

Writing to President Lyndon Johnson, then-Assistant Secretary of Labor Patrick Moynihan argued that, without access to jobs and the means to contribute meaningful support to a family, black men would become systematically alienated from their roles as husbands and fathers. This would cause rates of divorce, abandonment and out-of-wedlock births to skyrocket in the black community (a trend that had already begun by the mid-1960s)—leading to vast increases in the numbers of female-headed households and the high rates of poverty, low educational outcomes, and inflated rates of abuse that are associated with them. Moynihan made a compelling contemporary argument for the provision of jobs, job programs, vocational training, and educational programs for the Black community. Modern scholars, including Douglas Massey, now consider the report one of the more influential in the construction of the War on Poverty.

343 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:25:19am

re: #331 000G

I've been meaning to ask you: What do you think of stuff like this?:

[Video]

A lot of facts without, IMHO, context, presented in a prose aimed at a specific demography with the intent to, again IMHO, confuse rather than encourage honest debate.

344 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:25:51am

re: #339 researchok

Did you not bother to read his post? Specifically, this part?

And when I next bring up the conservative, vs progressive thing, AND, that all those Dems switched to GOP after the fact, I get bathed in spittle caused by their furious blathering and gnashing of teeth.

Did you not understand he was acknowledging that the Democrats fought against the Civil Rights Act, or what?

345 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:26:26am

re: #341 000G

The tides are turning:

Coulter Gives Up, Endorses Mitt Romney: ‘You’ve Got To Go With What You Have’

My favorite line:
With Christie a certain “no” now (and always, but don’t tell the media they wasted the past two months on a non-story)
Heh.

346 freetoken  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:26:34am

re: #341 000G

The last thing the professional hate-mongers want is for Obama to lose and a "real" Republican to win. That'd take away their gimmick with which they use to bilk the gullible.

347 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:26:43am

re: #342 Obdicut

I do think, however, that Moynihan was wrong, or simplistic, or didn't identify correctly the root causes of that disintegration of black families that he identified. But I don't think the ideas were racist. He was concerned about what he saw as a pathology, and his solution was that he wanted blacks to have better access to jobs.

I agree with that.

Moynihan was probably more guilty of 'paternalism' than anything else.

That said, today criticism of that type by an 'outsider' would be considered racism today.

348 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:28:02am

re: #346 freetoken

The last thing the professional hate-mongers want is for Obama to lose and a "real" Republican to win. That'd take away their gimmick with which they use to bilk the gullible.

Well, Coulter was also a Chris Christie fangirl, and since he announced that he wouldn't run he endorsed Romney himself. Hence, Coulter follows suit. Seems logical.

349 Aye Pod  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:30:50am

re: #318 Obdicut

It gets really creepy having so many right-wingers 'defending' me as a Jew from anti-semitism without actually really knowing jack shit about Jews.

The kind of right wingers we are talking about probably wouldn't really count you as a Jew. Unless you would be willing to launch Israel into all-out war with teh Muslims, your a self hating libtard Jew, or as Crazy Pam would put it, a 'kapo'. I've noticed that wingnuts are always looking to delegitimise liberal Jews in this way while promoting the kind of freaks who are in step with their image of what a Jew should be, and how they should think.

350 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:31:05am

re: #332 boxhead

oh how the current GOP loves to say how the Dems fought against The Civil Rights Acts. And when I next bring up the conservative, vs progressive thing, AND, that all those Dems switched to GOP after the fact, I get bathed in spittle caused by their furious blathering and gnashing of teeth. Well at least two times I actually got wet... LOL

I always love this conversation, that seems to start and end with all white Republicans have done for us.

Lol to begin with, they founded an entire party, just to free us.

Then! When those racists stood in the doorways, they passed Civil Rights (as if there was just one CR act e_e) on our behalf.

Ungrateful as we have always been, now we won't reward them with our vote, that they so altruistically fought for us to have.

To listen to white conservatives you would think that their superior morals and principles fought for civil rights, while MLK sat around dreaming -- admirably -- and Rosa Parks sat on her ass on a bus -- admirably.

Honestly, I think a lot of them really do believe the David Barton/Glenn Beck/Bryan Fischer history rewrite casting the losers as the winners.

351 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:31:27am

re: #335 Obdicut

Exactly. If the whites have the right to dominate politically and culturally, how can black people be expected to 'advance'? If 'advancement' is possible, then surely whites are also 'advancing' and with the advantage of education, political power, and wealth, they'd surely 'advance' faster than blacks would unless there was a massive program to make sure that blacks got supported educationally, fiscally, and otherwise to a higher degree than white people.

Would it be wrong to attempt to craft a system where ALL MEN* ARE CREATED EQUAL truly means what it says and strives to do just that? Or are those now code words for socialism and Communism? Or is that phrase meant to say, "we are all born as humans, naked, crying, covered in slime, equal. Any outside influences do not apply."

*Yes women too. I used the original for effect. After all, we can't have men without women.. :)

352 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:32:06am

re: #347 researchok

I agree with that.

Moynihan was probably more guilty of 'paternalism' than anything else.

That said, today criticism of that type by an 'outsider' would be considered racism today.

I don't really think you understand what he was saying. He wasn't criticizing black culture or the black community for this state of affairs, he was saying this was a result of the economic injustices that the black community had suffered under; that this was a sociological phenomenon.

Do you get that?

I can say the exact same thing as him. Hell, I can even one-up it: the number of single-parent, especially single-mother households in the black community is a huge hobbling problem for blacks in many ways, from education to gaining political power to gaining financial stability. It's a gigantic problem. The main causes of it are the economic 8-ball that blacks are behind in this country, combined with the high incarceration rates of blacks vs whites (even in areas where the actual rate of commission of crimes is the same).

I think you're confusing the anger at the patronizing way that Moniyhan presented the views with the actual merit of the ideas.

Any time you make a blanket statement like "This would be considered racism today" about a subject with any sort of nuance to it, you're being a bit of a fool. The black community is not monolithic and does not respond monolithically. Nor is the US community at large.

And especially when I'm directly telling you I don't consider his point of view racist, I have no idea what you're talking about.

It's really, really weird that you're using an example of a man who fought hard for the rights of blacks to gain employment and education to make your point. It's very self-defeating.

353 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:33:15am

re: #349 Jimmah

The rise of the term "judeo-liberal" is pretty chilling to me as a Jew. That sort of language is familiar, and it ain't pretty.

354 researchok  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:34:51am

re: #344 Obdicut

Did you not bother to read his post? Specifically, this part?

Did you not understand he was acknowledging that the Democrats fought against the Civil Rights Act, or what?

That is not an accurate representation. The issue of racism in politics is far more complex.

Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen overcame Demo attempts to block 1965 Voting Rights Act. When the numbers were counted, 94% of Senate Republicans vote for the legislation. At the time, 27% opposed it.

The legislation overturned then Dem efforts at mandating literacy tests and other hurdles for African Americans to prevent them from voting.

The Dixicrats you refer to would have joined a party that voted in favor of the Voting Act.

All I'm saying is that the issue of racism in American politics is very, very muddy.

In any event, real world beckons.

Later, all.

355 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:34:57am

re: #339 researchok

In fact, the Dems of that era did fight against civil rights- it was the GOP's Eisenhower who signed the Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960.

That came after the 125 hour filibuster by 18 Dems conservatives.

Also, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by most Republicans, fought by many Dems conservatives.

Please move past Dems vs Republicans; it's really old.

The people standing in the doorway waving Confederate flags, shouting obscenities, siccing dogs and waterhoses and pouring coffee and putting out cigarettes on nonviolent people were conservatives.

As are the same people who still wave the Confederate flag, today.

They were not liberals; never have been.

356 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:35:38am

re: #339 researchok

In fact, the Dems of that era did fight against civil rights- it was the GOP's Eisenhower who signed the Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960.

That came after the 125 hour filibuster by 18 Dems.

Also, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by most Republicans, fought by many Dems.

yes... that is true, but those same Democratic members all left the party because of it. In other words, today's Democratic Party is not your father's Democratic party. Things changed. Just as I fully backed the GOP years ago, I fully fear what will happen if the current GOP gains full control of USA.

357 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:37:04am

re: #354 researchok

You continue to conflate Democratic and Republican with "liberal" and "conservative". It's getting really boring.

The Dixicrats you refer to would have joined a party that voted in favor of the Voting Act.

Then why didn't they? Why does history show that you're wrong, that those Dixiecrats joined the GOP?

I have no idea where your assertion comes from or why you feel you can just ignore actual history.

358 The Left  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:37:19am

re: #353 Obdicut

The rise of the term "judeo-liberal" is pretty chilling to me as a Jew. That sort of language is familiar, and it ain't pretty.

I'd never heard that term before-- it's creepy as hell.

359 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:40:55am

re: #358 iceweasel

I'd never heard that term before-- it's creepy as hell.

It got used by some association of the Geller after the Norway shooting, that's how I first became aware of it. I've seen it more often since then.

Check out this freak:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

A pro-White perspective on jewish influence, globalism, the immigration invasion and islamic jihad - and the tendency toward treason they inspire.

Stop immigration. Eject the invaders. Hang the traitors.

That's an open call to hang Jews.

360 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:41:35am

re: #352 Obdicut

Well again, we've had all manner of people who don't know jack crud about us, speaking for us and all our perceived ills.

Anybody familiar with the "Moynihan Report" already knows its, um, mixed reception by the same "black community" it purported to be helping.

361 The Left  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:42:32am

re: #359 Obdicut

It got used by some association of the Geller after the Norway shooting, that's how I first became aware of it. I've seen it more often since then.

Check out this freak:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

That's an open call to hang Jews.

Disgusting!

362 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:46:50am

re: #360 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah. It was highly paternalistic and many racists did seize upon it as a vindication of their ideas about blacks and black culture. It was problematic as all get out and failed to identify a lot of root causes, though it did identify some. And he was absolutely, astonishingly wrong when he said the pathologies of black culture were propagated without influence from white culture. Totally freaking wrong on that part and that part was a dangerous, dangerous idea.

He should have passed it by the NAACP for editing and critique. That's in my dream world where everyone rides a pony, though.

363 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:47:36am

re: #350 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I always love this conversation, that seems to start and end with all white Republicans have done for us.

Lol to begin with, they founded an entire party, just to free us.

Then! When those racists stood in the doorways, they passed Civil Rights (as if there was just one CR act e_e) on our behalf.

Ungrateful as we have always been, now we won't reward them with our vote, that they so altruistically fought for us to have.

To listen to white conservatives you would think that their superior morals and principles fought for civil rights, while MLK sat around dreaming -- admirably -- and Rosa Parks sat on her ass on a bus -- admirably.

Honestly, I think a lot of them really do believe the David Barton/Glenn Beck/Bryan Fischer history rewrite casting the losers as the winners.

I just had a slightly sleep deprived epiphany. I always wondered why as I watched the Righties froth over the latest fake outrage, something felt familiar about their approach. Now I know why..... In collage I had a Chen teacher who would grade the outcome of our labs based on how close we got to the exact solution or number we were looking for. Sounds good so far. But if you knew the primitive methods we had to employ to find such things as the Avogadro constant, you would understand why we, "penciled in" the lab. To get a good grade, we came up with the answer we wanted first, then filled everything in between to support our conclusion. That is exactly what the Right Wing hate machine does. Find a target, make some shit up, and then make up more shit to support it.

hmm maybe that is not so worthy of the epiphany word...

364 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:48:12am

re: #354 researchok

The Dixicrats you refer to would have joined a party that voted in favor of the Voting Act.

No, they would not, and did not.

Confederacy vis-a-vis states rights is conservative. The States Rights Democratic Party was conservative. The States Rights Democratic Party appealed to what we call Dixiecrats.

Those who now wave the Confederate flag are still conservative. They are Republicans, now, thanks in part to 1- Truman being too "liberal" on integration and 2- the CRA of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965.

BTW, both Goldwater and Reagan campaigned against the CRA 64. Flipfloppers.

Sorry, but this is just basic American history.

365 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:48:30am

re: #354 researchok

later

366 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:57:47am

re: #362 Obdicut

Yeah. It was highly paternalistic and many racists did seize upon it as a vindication of their ideas about blacks and black culture. It was problematic as all get out and failed to identify a lot of root causes, though it did identify some. And he was absolutely, astonishingly wrong when he said the pathologies of black culture were propagated without influence from white culture. Totally freaking wrong on that part and that part was a dangerous, dangerous idea.

He should have passed it by the NAACP for editing and critique. That's in my dream world where everyone rides a pony, though.

Pfft, there is no shortage of do-gooders ready with their black pathology porn, pointing out all our supposed problems. They need to focus on their own broken communities.

The only people who care about the Moynihan Report today are conservatives wishing to tokenize Moynihan as either "a racist" or "telling the troooth about black america".

Black intellectual circles moved on, decades ago.

367 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:03:48am

re: #363 boxhead

I just had a slightly sleep deprived epiphany. I always wondered why as I watched the Righties froth over the latest fake outrage, something felt familiar about their approach. Now I know why... In collage I had a Chen teacher who would grade the outcome of our labs based on how close we got to the exact solution or number we were looking for. Sounds good so far. But if you knew the primitive methods we had to employ to find such things as the Avogadro constant, you would understand why we, "penciled in" the lab. To get a good grade, we came up with the answer we wanted first, then filled everything in between to support our conclusion. That is exactly what the Right Wing hate machine does. Find a target, make some shit up, and then make up more shit to support it.

hmm maybe that is not so worthy of the epiphany word...

Well, it's all they've got. They're capable of doing better, but out of either laziness or delusion, they just don't.

I can say from experience, when you're in an environment where all knowledge worth knowing is transmitted through third parties that claim a direct connection to the Source of all knowledge, your method is bound to be screwy.

368 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:07:07am

re: #366 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah. It's a bit of historical interest, but that's all.

There's also such a wide gray area when it comes to racism. It doesn't just matter if you're racist, hold racist views, but what you do about it. Plenty of white abolitionists were still racist, often in a paternalistic way. Is that something criticize-able? Sure. Does that take anything away from their abolitionism? No. Does it really say anything about modern attitudes on race, liberalism, etc? Of course not.

369 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:16:04am

re: #349 Jimmah

The kind of right wingers we are talking about probably wouldn't really count you as a Jew. Unless you would be willing to launch Israel into all-out war with teh Muslims, your a self hating libtard Jew, or as Crazy Pam would put it, a 'kapo'. I've noticed that wingnuts are always looking to delegitimise liberal Jews in this way while promoting the kind of freaks who are in step with their image of what a Jew should be, and how they should think.

They do the something very similar with liberal/Democratic-voting Blacks. Which is to say, they revile and resent those they are unable to control, which is to say in turn...most Blacks.

In today's parlance, they trot out images of slavery and segregation: we're on the plantation if we vote D, Obama is the slave driver because there's no jobs, we're killing our babies with abortions just like Massa did, and since they've never thought much of our intellectual capacities, they expect people to fall for this crud.

The idea is related. The people who hate you the most purport to define you and punish you if you disagree. But "judeo-liberal" - that is some nasty, nasty sauce. These are the people claiming to be so in love with Jews these days? How the eff is that any different from the same old anti-Jewish commiebaitng since what, 1840?

That shyt is directly out of Stormfront.

370 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:26:33am

re: #368 Obdicut

Yeah. It's a bit of historical interest, but that's all.

There's also such a wide gray area when it comes to racism. It doesn't just matter if you're racist, hold racist views, but what you do about it. Plenty of white abolitionists were still racist, often in a paternalistic way. Is that something criticize-able? Sure. Does that take anything away from their abolitionism? No. Does it really say anything about modern attitudes on race, liberalism, etc? Of course not.

The evolution of this debate has changed very much so. And not just on a generational scale, but by individuals changing as they grew in understanding. People do change. Unfortunately, some people do not.

371 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:27:14am

re: #368 Obdicut

Truth be told, I stopped caring who is and isn't/wasn't "a racist", etc., probably about 15 years ago. It's like it's been reduced to some game -- the one with the least "racist" points from the CRA 64 era wins, or something like that. lol

Re: Moynihan, Dems, Repubs, libs, cons, Buckley, etc...anti-Black attitudes do damage when put into practice at institutional levels, or as was the condition of the country for so long, made into law. Lots of overlap with those two, that we're still trying to move past.

372 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:29:30am

re: #286 researchok
Great, now I'm going to drive myself nuts and read all your posts in an British accent, you wanker!
//

373 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:29:59am

re: #367 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, it's all they've got. They're capable of doing better, but out of either laziness or delusion, they just don't.

I can say from experience, when you're in an environment where all knowledge worth knowing is transmitted through third parties that claim a direct connection to the Source of all knowledge, your method is bound to be screwy.

And far too often people who make such claims have self serving intentions.

374 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:32:57am

re: #369 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How the eff is that any different from the same old anti-Jewish commiebaitng since what, 1840?

I don't think you can speak of Communism before 1847/48. More significant are probably conservative reactionary anti-jewish and anti-freemasonic conspiracy theories in the wake of the French Revolution that had been promoting a lot of liberal ideas that benefitted formerly discriminated Jews. Also, a lot of Utopian Socialism, arguably a sort of proto-Communist movement, was borne out of the French Revolution.

375 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:34:15am

The U.S. group says long-running American trade sanctions stand in the way of proper spill preparation and a coordinated cleanup if something goes wrong on the wells that are just 60 miles from the Florida Keys.

Offshore oil drilling is banned along the Florida coastline. But the Cuban operation will be so close to U.S. shores that ocean currents could carry a spill through the Florida Keys, and foul beaches along the Atlantic Coast.
[Link: www.npr.org...]

(Reuters) - BP Plc has accepted a $4 billion payment from partner Anadarko Petroleum toward the Gulf of Mexico oil spill clean-up, far less than it might have won in court, but a deal that could reduce the overall cost of the disaster for the British group.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

While the NPR article is originally dated September 12, I wonder if it was rerun today because of the Reuters story. I actually heard about the NPR story in a WSJ update on my radio.

376 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:36:41am

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

The trade? Hell if I know. A lot of people I know are very unhappy about it, but the thought of leaving him there is unbearable to me.

I'm glad I don't make these kinds of calls.

One of the people being released is the woman who drove the Sbarro bomber.

And "Bloody Hands Guy"
And the "Myspace Killer"

Very few of them, in fact NONE, are the "helpless innocent women and children held in durance vile because they made faces at a mean IDF soldier"

377 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:37:01am

re: #373 boxhead

And far too often people who make such claims have self serving intentions.

True. Or flat-out paranoid delusions.

That may sound like I'm joking or poking fun at them, but I'm not. I really do wonder how many from that set either have mental health diagnoses, or should.

378 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:41:37am

re: #374 000G

I don't think you can speak of Communism before 1847/48. More significant are probably conservative reactionary anti-jewish and anti-freemasonic conspiracy theories in the wake of the French Revolution that had been promoting a lot of liberal ideas that benefitted formerly discriminated Jews. Also, a lot of Utopian Socialism, arguably a sort of proto-Communist movement, was borne out of the French Revolution.

Yeah, I didn't mean the literal year "1840". I'm just saying some crap like "judeo-liberal" is such an obvious, recognizable canard.

379 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:44:00am

re: #378 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, I didn't mean the literal year "1840". I'm just saying some crap like "judeo-liberal" is such an obvious, recognizable canard.

When the Canards start flying around, I duck.

380 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:49:03am

re: #379 wozzablog

When the Canards start flying around, I duck.

Are you confit to be tied?

381 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:50:53am

re: #377 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

True. Or flat-out paranoid delusions.

That may sound like I'm joking or poking fun at them, but I'm not. I really do wonder how many from that set either have mental health diagnoses, or should.

ahh... and which one is scarier? The true believer will have no fear. But the deceiver will be better funded... and currently, those that believe without question have become foot soldiers for the deceivers.

382 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:53:48am

re: #378 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, I didn't mean the literal year "1840". I'm just saying some crap like "judeo-liberal" is such an obvious, recognizable canard.

you know, when I first read "judeo-liberal" here tonight, my mind read it as judo-liberal as if it was some liberal method of twisting debates.....

good thing I did not reply to the first post I saw it in.... :)

383 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:55:01am

re: #331 000G

BTW, I looked this person up - he's propped up by PJ Media.

The only people fooled by this repeated-phrase propaganda are race-anxious white conservatives.

384 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:58:14am

re: #383 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

BTW, I looked this person up - he's propped up by PJ Media.

The only people fooled by this repeated-phrase propaganda are race-anxious white conservatives.

I like to think of those folks as people who don't have a lot of RAM left so further learning requires deleting older memories.... or something like that..

OT: I am glad Charles allows removing dings. I accidentally down dinged you and was able to rectify it. :)

385 iossarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:59:13am

re: #379 wozzablog

When the Canards start flying around, I duck.

Obvious right-wing quackery.

386 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:00:59am

re: #381 boxhead

ahh... and which one is scarier? The true believer will have no fear. But the deceiver will be better funded... and currently, those that believe without question have become foot soldiers for the deceivers.

Most of them will just die in obscurity, broke, with grand dreams never-fulfilled.

387 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:02:19am

lol

Alex Jones loses it over his latest YouTube spat with the Federal Reserve

Youtube Video
388 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:02:52am

re: #384 boxhead

I like to think of those folks as people who don't have a lot of RAM left so further learning requires deleting older memories... or something like that..

OT: I am glad Charles allows removing dings. I accidentally down dinged you and was able to rectify it. :)

That happens to me when I post from my dumbphone, which I keep saying I'm going to stop doing but I never do.

I have ended up accidentally favoriting a lot of posts that way, too, fwiw :/

389 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:09:22am

re: #9 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"If I didn't see it, it didn't happen! If I didn't see it, it didn't happen!"

/

Ha, at a local watering hole there is a saying, "If you don't remember it, it didn't happen!"

390 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:12:19am

re: #386 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Most of them will just die in obscurity, broke, with grand dreams never-fulfilled.

Emotion filled words... I fear you may be correct, but wish that the deceived will realize the lies and change. But it has been said that lies and delusions can become like a warm blanket. Those using them to warm themselves don't wish to remove them even though they know it is wrong....

391 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:13:07am

re: #387 000G

Cripes, he is such a lunatic.

392 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:14:01am

ok folks.... good chats... time to go...

night

393 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:16:39am

Fauja Singh, 100-year-old Marathoner, Finishes Race & Earns Spot In Guinness World Records
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Someone brought this up yesterday. (not sure if it was updated since I was out early last night) Good for this guy.

394 boxhead  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:23:41am

re: #391 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Cripes, he is such a lunatic.

lol... ok one more... just watched the video.... He started OK as long as he stayed with the topic of standing in front of the Fed Reserve building taking videos. I am OK with that. The end when he was turning purple and clenching his teeth was a bit much. I am betting he practiced that in front of a mirror... LOL

As for the Fed Res specifically, I am not qualified to give an educated opinion. But being a cynic, I don't think the people controlling our money necessarily have The People in their best interest.

ok night for reals...

395 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:35:29am

I think I'm going to do a little investigation, "Who is more Anti-Semitic, OWS or the Tea Party?" I suspect that both have a problem, just who has the bigger problem?

Can anyone suggest some places to start?

396 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:40:02am

re: #395 Alouette

I think I'm going to do a little investigation, "Who is more Anti-Semitic, OWS or the Tea Party?" I suspect that both have a problem, just who has the bigger problem?

Can anyone suggest some places to start?

I'm betting you can find signs/video from both with a googly search. But then you'd have to make sure the signs/videos weren't hijacked.

397 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:44:00am

re: #395 Alouette

Start with those who investigate the movements in question. E.g. ADL has this:

[Link: www.adl.org...]

[Link: www.adl.org...]

etc.

398 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:47:03am

Also, contrary to right-wingers, altho ADL has a left-wing bias, I think it will eventually publish some kind of report on the state of antisemitism at OWS.

399 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:49:42am

re: #395 Alouette

It's really a crapshoot. How many 'points' do you give for having Adbusters, who pulled a few antisemitic things, as the 'organizer' of OWS? How much is the Tea Party a White Supremacist thing? It seems impossible to make a comparison to me.

I really did meet quite a number of jews while I was down there. Given that Jews tend to be liberal, especially on social issues and stuff, I'd be surprised if there was a significant Jewish component to the Tea Party. I'd more expect it to break down along the lines of the Democrats and the GOP, where the Democrats have far more Jewish elected officials and more Jewish voters.

But then, how correlative is having Jewish members to not tolerating anti-semitism? That's not a set amount.

I really don't see how one could plausibly really analyze it, except to ask how the specific policies endorsed by each group would affect Jews. The anti-Shariah stuff that the Tea Party supports a lot definitely could affect Jews as well if it was written broadly enough, as could any laws that impact ritual slaughter. A percentage of the OWS people are definitely wrong-headed on Israel/Palestine-- I'd guess more from being consistently misinformed rather than actual antisemitism-- and if they're a high enough percentage and they feel passionately about it, then that might be something to take into consideration. But I have no idea how many of them actually feel that way about Israel, nor what actual policy changes they imagine that they want.

400 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:50:55am

re: #398 Sergey Romanov

The ADL doesn't really have a left-wing bias-- Abe Hoffman, vehement Beck defender, certainly doesn't.

I mean, maybe they're 'left' compared to the current pack of GOP people, but not really compared to views inside the Jewish community.

401 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:51:09am

re: #397 Sergey Romanov

Start with those who investigate the movements in question. E.g. ADL has this:

[Link: www.adl.org...]

[Link: www.adl.org...]

etc.

Thanks, ADL is a good resource.

I also found this at my own blog from 2 years ago. Seems like that graphic originated with the Paulians, and has since disappeared.

OWS has its problems with Adbusters, etc.

402 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:51:54am

re: #122 BigPapa

That's throwing the baby out with the bath water. How should they have spent their money better?

Probably guns and ammunition. That helping feed people shit is so communistic.

403 iossarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:55:01am

re: #400 Obdicut

The ADL doesn't really have a left-wing bias-- Abe Hoffman, vehement Beck defender, certainly doesn't.

I mean, maybe they're 'left' compared to the current pack of GOP people, but not really compared to views inside the Jewish community.

I'm under the impression that the ADL has moved rightwards over the past couple of decades?

404 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:56:51am

re: #399 Obdicut

I should, for the purposes of this study, set some parameters of what constitutes "Anti-Semitism." For example, being "Pro-Palestinian" should not be equated as "Anti-Semitism" unless it is so egregious (such as: comparing the IDF to the Nazis) that it can't be ignored.

Also, criticisms of OWS from left-leaning sites should carry more weight, as should criticisms of the TP from right-wing sites.

405 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:56:51am

re: #400 Obdicut

Except for Israel, ADL takes left-wing positions on domestic issues, doesn't it? Evolution/creationism, separation of church and state, right to choose, a lot of civil rights issues. For better or for worse, these common sense positions are rare among those on the right nowadays.

406 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:57:28am

re: #138 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So if China, Russia, Iran, or Venezuela asked for the same things, then then the UN should give in on their internal policies as well?

No, only us. We're exceptional.

407 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 5:58:39am

re: #403 iossarian

I'm under the impression that the ADL has moved rightwards over the past couple of decades?

I'd say it has in some ways, but not in others. They remain very, very strongly committed to separation of church and state, for example.

[Link: www.adl.org...]

408 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:01:33am

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

We pay more into the UN than all those countries put together, and for that we get organization that is often unresponsive or even hostile towards us. That needs to stop. So changes were demanded of the UN, which the UN refused to make. So now the UN is to be punished.

Bullshit, we are approx. 1.4 BILLION behind in dues. One of those deadbeat nations that want the UN to help our "peace keeping" missions, but don't want to pay.

409 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:02:34am

re: #406 RayFerd

No, only us. We're exceptional.

DF's not here, but I'm pretty sure he can't name a single way in which the budgetary process for UNICEF (UNICEF, for chrissakes) is more dysfunctional than that of, say, the company he works for. He's simply against them because his team is. Why doesn't matter.

410 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:04:05am

If i could make a request of a long time lizard to page "A brief history of LGF" I think it would really help me and other newer folks to understand the transformation this site has gone through in the past 10 years.

I know bits and pieces about the post 9/11 beginnings, the Rather memos scandal, the great purge and the shift that happened following "why I parted ways with the Right"

Would really appreciate it if someone could fill in some blanks and details for me. Thanks in advance.

411 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:06:49am

re: #405 Sergey Romanov

Except for Israel, ADL takes left-wing positions on domestic issues, doesn't it? Evolution/creationism, separation of church and state, right to choose, a lot of civil rights issues. For better or for worse, these common sense positions are rare among those on the right nowadays.

Yes, sorry. You're right, I should more say that they're very inconsistent, and their high-profile critiques of Obama along with their high-profile defenses and forgiveness for Glenn Beck-- only calling him out on outrageous stuff and asserting frequently that they know he's a friend to the Jews-- is a good demonstration of that. Beck has promoted antisemitism by promoting antisemitic authors, he presents conspiracies about Soros the Jew, and has said many whacky things about Jews, but the ADL has never wavered in its belief that he's a friend to the Jews. The ADL also gave Berluscioni a distinguished statesman award, with specific callouts to human rights, which is just fucking sad.

It is not as simple as having a bias, I'd say. But you're absolutely correct that their position on social issues is the 'liberal' one.

412 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:08:29am

re: #410 dragonfire1981

I would say just go through the archives with 3 or 4 month intervals. Or if you see something that might need a follow up, cross reference it.

413 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:08:53am

re: #410 dragonfire1981

Well, I signed up a few years ago and that's when things really got started.

I part my hair on the left unless it's racing night, then it parts on the right.

I can juggle milk bottles but only milk bottles.

My left foot is insured for $2,017.24, and my right one is the special one.

Willie Nelson scores off of me.

414 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:15:11am

re: #408 RayFerd

Bullshit, we are approx. 1.4 BILLION behind in dues. One of those deadbeat nations that want the UN to help our "peace keeping" missions, but don't want to pay.

By the way, can I see a link for that? That'd be a great one to bring out for the next round of 'I hate the UN but can't articulate why'.

415 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:16:36am

re: #411 Obdicut

ADL has long been blind on one eye when it comes to religious right-wing supporters of Israel, so it's nothing new. Tactical thing, if schizophrenic, so it doesn't look pretty in the least.

416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:17:04am

re: #410 dragonfire1981

Here's my grossly simplified "Reader's Digest" version.

Started as a nerd site.

Then 9-11.

Then some folks joined who tended right joined (WOT!, etc) who shouted down folks who tended left.

Then came Rathergate and a bunch of folks who tended right joined and really started shouting.

Then the right began to lose its collective mind, as did many of the folks who posted here.

Then Charles said, "Wait a damn minute! You people are being assholes. Get off my site!"

Then a bunch of folks who tended left (He's not a seekrit Communist Muslim!) joined who shouted down folks who tended right.

Then?...

417 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:17:14am

Forecast: Rain
[Link: www.clickorlando.com...]

418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:18:35am

re: #417 Cannadian Club Akbar

I saw that on CNN this morning. That's a big cloud.

419 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:20:30am

re: #418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I saw that on CNN this morning. That's a big cloud.

I planned on sniffing glue tomorrow, which is a good thing since it's gonna rain like hell and there won't be a whole bunch to do.
///

420 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:22:48am

Heh, Schluessel has been big on exposing alleged antisemitism at Tea Parties. As usual, she is over the top. But hold your nose and wade in.

421 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:24:11am

re: #416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Clowns to the left. Jokers to the right. /now where's my razor. /Mr. Blonde

422 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:26:14am

re: #420 Sergey Romanov

Heh, Schluessel has been big on exposing alleged anitsemitism in Tea Parties. As usual, she is over the top. But hold your nose and wade in.

Yeah, I saw that on my first Google pass.

423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:29:20am

By the end of this month, 7 billion people.

1962, The year I was born? 3.136 billion.

We're gonna need a bigger boat.

424 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:29:24am

Found this link at an ABL post on OWS Obdicut recommended:
[Link: westandwiththe99percent.tumblr.com...]
Interesting

425 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:31:44am

re: #423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the end of this month, 7 billion people.

1962, The year I was born? 3.136 billion.

We're gonna need a bigger boat.

But with the newest rapture coming Friday there should be some extra seating.:)

426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:33:12am

re: #421 lawhawk

Clowns to the left. Jokers to the right. /now where's my razor. /Mr. Blonde

I do "Stuck in the Middle With You" at Karaoke and a friend of mine does the "Mr. Blonde" dance with a butter knife.

It's a kick.

427 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:36:50am

re: #424 000G

Found this link at an ABL post on OWS Obdicut recommended:
[Link: westandwiththe99percent.tumblr.com...]
Interesting

Trust fund hippies!

428 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:39:12am

re: #424 000G

I really like how many of them have messages like this:

I know what govt cheese tastes like.

I also know what it means to have to shop at a thrift store. (when this wasn’t cool.)

Or walk five miles to school.

Or put off dental work or the doctor.

Or have to ride your bike to the grocery because the family car got repo’ed.

I know what it’s like to work really, really hard while others party, travel, and go out.

And while I have worked my ass off and now I make a six figure income and my three kids barely know what “need” really means, and while I know I’m in the 1% because of a lot of things I did and choices I specifically made, I know most of my success is not just mine.

It’s yours too. You deserve dignity and justice.

The pursuit of happiness is community.

I am the 1 percent, I stand with the 99 percent.

Of personal success leading to generosity, and understanding of how communal any enterprise is.

There are some that seem a little abject, but a lot of good stuff.

429 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:40:16am

re: #427 Sergey Romanov

Heh. Some of them are definitely more in the 20% than the 1%, but the difference between being in the top 20% and the bottom 20% is utterly vast.

430 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:42:12am

re: #428 Obdicut

I don't like the "reparations" theme tho.

431 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:49:28am

One thing that severely affects my view of this wealth divide is seeing how hard my wife struggles and studies and works so that she can get an MD/PhD and do research and make about a tenth of what she could make as a private physician. Not only would she make less per year, but she has to spend a long, long time in school in order for that privilege.

That's what academic scientists are like. There's more money to be made in the 'applied' side of nearly every field. And yet many of the most brilliant become researchers because they have true passion and love for the subject and they want to advance science. And they make astonishing, amazing discoveries that improve our quality of life immeasurably. Sure, a few private companies do serious R&D, but only a few-- and the output of discovery from the state university system is amazing.

And yet the talk on taxation assumes the people who are making the most money are the most productive. It is not true. It is nowhere near true. True genius pretty much breaks the capitalist system since it is impossible to measure how much it's worth over time. Breakthroughs in science are invaluable. If we didn't have them, we could have no progress.

I really wish people would recognize the debt that they owe to hard-working academics, researchers, and the like. It is far more than those people have been compensated for. But instead we get bullshit about 'ivory tower' and academic privilege and 'in the real world'.

Bitch, the real world is the one where my wife will stay overnight in the lab, waking every three hours to make sure that her experiment is running perfectly so that she can cure goddamn cancer.

432 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:50:01am

re: #428 Obdicut
Sorry, you're going to hate me for this...

And while I have worked my ass off and now I make a six figure income and my three kids barely know what “need” really means, and while I know I’m in the 1% because of a lot of things I did and choices I specifically made, I know most of my success is not just mine.

It’s yours too. You deserve dignity and justice.

You will get that by sacrificing and working your ass off and learning what it feels like to earn what you want...

433 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:51:08am

re: #430 Sergey Romanov

I don't like the "reparations" theme tho.

Nor do I. It's impossible to calculate on any level. It is totally unnecessary to figure out in order to compensate for present inequities, too. And it would have to go down so many strange lines-- I mean, there are white families that have been exploited since the beginning of the country too, how do they prove that?-- that it just seems so undesirable.

And like a cash payment could actually in any way make up for inequity.

434 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:52:15am

re: #433 Obdicut

Plus it plays right into the far right's hands. I really thought the "reparations" were purely a rw meme.

435 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:53:23am

re: #431 Obdicut

Thank goodness for her. But, Obdi, she is making that choice.

436 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:54:15am

re: #432 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry, you're going to hate me for this...

You will get that by sacrificing and working your ass off and learning what it feels like to earn what you want...

No. Some people will be able to do that. A lot of other people sacrifice and work their asses off and never make more than $12 an hour. Some of them rip up their bodies doing it, too, and have terrible pain in their old age. Some of them get injured young, and live in poverty the rest of their lives. Etc.

Working hard, being honest, is a good way to live. But it is not a certain path to financial success. The world is too cruel for that.

437 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:54:15am

re: #432 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry, you're going to hate me for this...

You will get that by sacrificing and working your ass off and learning what it feels like to earn what you want...

That's why I work with Habitat--each of our houseowners know they have spent 500 hours hammering on their house or another's. Then they pay for the materials with a 0 interest mortgage. The reality, though, is that they are chosen from among people have no chance of doing that without the intervention of the Habitat community.

438 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:54:25am
"Make a list … Call them and ask them, ‘Are you going to vote on Issue 2 and are you going to vote for it?’ If they say no, well, you just make sure that they don’t go vote. Let the air out of their tires on election day. Tell them the election has been moved to a different date. That’s up to you how you creatively get the job done."

Mike Huckabee

Commentary I found: "Huckabee was said to be joking, but it’s funny because it’s dishonest."

439 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:54:47am

Good morning from LA

Thanks to a bunch of you for the views and kind words at my OLA Page. I really appreciate it. If and as it seems worthwhile in terms of developments, I'm going back with a better sound set up. Better interviews, away from vuvuzuela man.

Obdicut-Love your "We stand with the 99%" as that is the best answer to those who decry anyone of means participating in Occupy.

440 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 6:58:12am

re: #435 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thank goodness for her. But, Obdi, she is making that choice.

Sure. And it's a choice that we, societally, need to support and reward-- I'm not saying monetarily for her, but with investment into research, in education, in public health. And we need to not pretend that the financiers are the engines of wealth. Technology is the root of wealth, being able to do something better than you could before. Finance is just how that happens. Applied science-- private industry-- are crucial to it happening, absolutely. But the root of it is in the research done by scientists.

That is the main reason the way we are trashing our educational standards, the way the GOP demonizes scientists, the way that climatologists are treated, makes me so furious. That is the golden goose. Even on purely selfish grounds, it's a stupid thing to do.

441 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:03:01am

re: #439 Rightwingconspirator

Checking out your page now, I hadn't seen it. Really nifty stuff.

442 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:04:08am

re: #325 researchok

Actually, a lot of Dems fought tooth and nail against civil rights legislation while most iof the GOP fought for the legislation.

Johnson had a hell of time.

Oh no, not again. The Dems who fought the civil rights were social conservatives.

443 iossarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:06:17am

re: #442 Sergey Romanov

Oh no, not again. The Dems who fought the civil rights were social conservatives.

The blind repetition of "Democrat Party Robert Byrd KKK" is really starting to grate.

444 Lidane  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:06:19am

Morning, Lizards! Today is my last day of classes for this quarter. I'm drained and completely uninspired. My last papers have been a flurry of words with next to nothing said. Somehow, I have to find the words for a group presentation this afternoon. Ugh.

Thankfully, I'll have the rest of the week off. Hopefully some of the job applications and resumes I've sent out will come through.

445 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:06:27am

re: #442 Sergey Romanov

Oh no, not again. The Dems who fought the civil rights were social conservatives.

Dixiecrats, and they're still out there. Most Alabama Democrats are far to the right of many New England Republicans. I do not donate time or money to my state's Democratic Party.

446 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:07:53am

re: #445 Decatur Deb

Absolutely. Which is why I made the statement about conservatives and liberals, not about Republicans and Democrats, which is why I was so surprised to see the return of the zombie argument that just wouldn't die.

447 Lidane  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:08:00am

re: #325 researchok

Actually, a lot of Dems fought tooth and nail against civil rights legislation while most iof the GOP fought for the legislation.

Johnson had a hell of time.

The Southern Dems that fought against civil rights = the current GOP base.

The parties switched sides during the civil rights era. They're not the same now that they were back then.

448 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:08:58am

re: #431 Obdicut

Mate, all I can say about med school is that it ends. Well, that and that it's incredibly awesome. I can honestly say that I've had a blast through all of it, even the painful parts.

Let me give you my email in case you or your wife has any questions about the whole process. It was a bit of a mystery to me the whole way through, I'd be glad to help.

449 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:11:01am

re: #448 Renaissance_Man

Well, she's in her second year now and has some older-classmate friends, so I think she's well enough provided for on advice and suchlike. She's also older, and used to do cancer research at UCSF (when she just had her BS) and so worked with doctors for awhile.

The main learning I've taken from it is that while they may believe in evidence-based medicine, they sure as hell don't believe in evidence-based teaching at Cornell.

She'll be very glad when this year is over and she gets to do her PhD.

450 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:12:12am

re: #446 Obdicut

Absolutely. Which is why I made the statement about conservatives and liberals, not about Republicans and Democrats, which is why I was so surprised to see the return of the zombie argument that just wouldn't die.

That also makes nonsense of the "The Democrats had the House, Senate and W.H." meme. There has not been a liberal majority under Pres. Obama.

451 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:12:44am

Some links on the TP and possible ties to white supremacism/antisemitism, though all need checking for bias:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

452 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:13:59am

re: #436 Obdicut

I grew up poor. The only advantage that I was handed was the fact that I am a white guy who grew up in a two parent household with strict (today would be considered abusive, but they were not) parents.

I distanced myself from the hoods; the druggies (four of my six main circle of friends are dead) did not want to live in a neighborhood like that for the rest of my life. Couldn't afford college, but, didn't have the academic skill to flourish (or survive) in a collegiate environment if I could have afforded it. Through a combination of sweat and, well, charm (willingness to give a (figurative!) blowjob to whoever could help me) I was out of my 3.30 per hour job within three years.

Frankly? I deserve to live in a nicer house and drive a nicer car than the stumbling alcoholics from the street that I grew up on and their hoodlum kids.

That's my whole beef with this thing. My goggles are clouded with reality.

453 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:15:04am

re: #452 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Frankly? I deserve to live in a nicer house and drive a nicer car than the stumbling alcoholics from the street that I grew up on and their hoodlum kids.

But FBV, I'm not saying you don't, nor is anyone else. You know that, right?

454 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:16:27am

re: #439 Rightwingconspirator

Watched your youtube thingy. Unfortunately, I'm hearing impaired and couldn't make out most of the talking.

I loved the kid with the sow poster. Didn't have to hear that!

455 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:17:44am

re: #454 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

THE URGE TO SHOUT AT YOU IS NOW OVERWHELMING!

HAVE SOME PIE!

Image: amazing-pie-01.jpg

456 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:19:19am

re: #453 Obdicut

Oh. Sorry. I started by responding to you and went full rant mode... then just hit, "post it".

457 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:22:11am

re: #452 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I grew up poor. The only advantage that I was handed was the fact that I am a white guy who grew up in a two parent household with strict (today would be considered abusive, but they were not) parents.

...snip

Do you appreciate what an advantage that is? My daughter teaches the jailed 9-18 yr old hoodlums, including the several who were never enrolled in school and the one whose face is scarred from the radiator he was chained to for some time. He's not likely to do well.

458 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:22:41am

I would also like to quote my brother John on the topic:

"You could take all my money away and I'd still be the richest guy on earth because just look at me, baby, I'm beautiful."

In the flesh

459 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:22:49am

re: #451 Sergey Romanov

There is also this:

[Link: w.teapartynationalism.com...]

See especially [Link: w.teapartynationalism.com...] and [Link: w.teapartynationalism.com...]

Formerly at LGF: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

460 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:25:11am

Citigroup posts 7th straight quarterly profits. Earnings rise 74% to $3.8 billion (with a B). Homeowners who are getting the runaround with an inability to refinance or recast mortgages, or account owners who are getting nicked, dimed, and fee-ed by all kinds of charges aren't seeing that benefit.

Having a stable bank is good - having a stable bank that imposes all manner of fees to make it cost an account owner to access their own money? That's just nuts. Rolling back those fees - whether by pressure on the banks directly or though Congressional action (a real long shot) would be something that the OWS would agree with.

461 iossarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:26:33am

re: #458 Obdicut

I would also like to quote my brother John on the topic:

"You could take all my money away and I'd still be the richest guy on earth because just look at me, baby, I'm beautiful."

In the flesh

*drool*

My marriage is now officially at risk.

/

462 iossarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:28:55am

re: #460 lawhawk

Citigroup posts 7th straight quarterly profits. Earnings rise 74% to $3.8 billion (with a B). Homeowners who are getting the runaround with an inability to refinance or recast mortgages, or account owners who are getting nicked, dimed, and fee-ed by all kinds of charges aren't seeing that benefit.

Having a stable bank is good - having a stable bank that imposes all manner of fees to make it cost an account owner to access their own money? That's just nuts. Rolling back those fees - whether by pressure on the banks directly or though Congressional action (a real long shot) would be something that the OWS would agree with.

Quick, someone remind me which party in Congress is opposed to stronger consumer protection in the financial sector!

463 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:29:07am

re: #461 iossarian

He's an animal wildlife biologist who spends a lot of time crouching under a tarp while he watches coyotes mate up in frozen Canada.

He is also a crazy bastard. I love him. Amazingly deviant sense of humor. He wrote an amazing satirical essay on the usefulness of pistol-whipping when facing your thesis committee.

464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:29:31am

re: #457 Decatur Deb

Of course. There will always be stories like that.

There are also so stories of people crawling out of the cesspools that they were dealt.

465 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:30:33am

re: #464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Of course. There will always be stories like that.

There are also so stories of people crawling out of the cesspools that they were dealt.

Yup. Except I was pulled out of the cesspool by a bunch of nuns. You and I just traded anecdotes, not data.

466 iossarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:31:25am

re: #464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There are also so stories of people crawling out of the cesspools that they were dealt.

One party wants to improve the schools in the cesspools.

The other wants to make it legal for businesses to refuse to allow people from the cesspools through the door.

I'll let you figure out which one is which.

467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:32:59am

re: #460 lawhawk

Serious question. Do you think the recent attempt to raise the prices to cardholders has anything to do with Congress' mandating a reduction in prices to merchants?

468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:35:27am

re: #466 iossarian

The other wants to make it legal for businesses to refuse to allow people from the cesspools through the door.

What do you mean?

469 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:37:38am

Small businesses are having their overdrafts withdrawn, can't get loans and are having to shed employees because they can't get credit to bridge invoices due.

Sensible consumer credit is in the toilet.

The number of applications per job in the economy is frankly bewildering (in the UK i went for a basic admin job, they had 350+ other applicants)

People were mis-sold mortgages which were then bundled and still lay dormant ready to explode anew.

None of that relates to lazy people wanting more or hoodlums demanding something for nothing - those are real time consequences of the clusterfuck the world economy is in due to the behaviours of those at the top.

470 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:40:08am

Think I just found a glitch with "Edit Pencil". I quickly edited #465. It wasn't seriously different in this case, but people who haven't reloaded will see and comment on a different statement. That could make a difference in a really heated exchange like we've had the last few days.

I must tend my garden. BBL

471 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:41:38am

Cain gets a little extra rope on being unsure about his own policies and plans:

Mr. Cain also found himself on the defensive on his tax plan when he addressed a Washington Post report that his 9-9-9 proposal would hurt many poor and middle-class families. Analysts say that those families pay little to no taxes under the current tax structure and would now pay both income and additional sales taxes under the plan.

“Some people will pay more,” he said on “Meet the Press,” acknowledging that some people could face combined state and national sales taxes as high as 17 percent. “But most people will pay less, is my argument.”

When Mr. Gregory asked if Mr. Cain would describe himself as a “neoconservative” — the foreign policy approach championed by the Bush administration that favored the aggressive use of military power to promote American interests and values abroad — Mr. Cain seemed unsure.

“I’m not familiar with the neoconservative movement,” he said.

Still, Mr. Duprey said that voters seemed to have more sympathy for beginners’ blunders than those from more experienced politicians. (Note the slide in popularity of Gov. Rick Perry of Texas after poor performances in recent debates.)

“I think the newcomer gets a little bit extra rope,” Mr. Duprey added. “There’s a tremendous learning curve.”

The extra rope will hogtime him in a big way. And the tax rates would disproportionately hit the poor and middle class, primarily through the sales tax hit - it would result in a significantly higher tax burden.

And there's no way for him to explain that away; his policies would impose significant tax burdens on those who can least afford them.

472 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:41:55am

re: #468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What do you mean?

I'm imagining the Rand Paul nonsense about the civil rights act being a wrong'un and that businesses should be allowed to decide who they sell to based on discriminatory principles.

473 iossarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:42:35am

re: #468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What do you mean?

For an extreme example you can take Rand Paul and his "businesses should be able to choose who they serve" stance.

Less extreme but more directly relevant to the issue here is the Republican party's general opposition to minority quota legislation/affirmative action, the absence of which makes it very easy for businesses to avoid hiring "undesirables".

474 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:42:46am

re: #472 wozzablog

That's currently up for discussion with Congress?

475 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:44:15am

re: #432 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry, you're going to hate me for this...

You will get that by sacrificing and working your ass off and learning what it feels like to earn what you want...

I won't hate you, just laugh at the naivete of sentiment.

Some people work their asses off their entire lives for pittance. Some people don't lift a finger for what they have. There are all manner of people, and stories, in between.

476 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:44:32am

re: #469 wozzablog

An HR friend of mine explained that a lot of the job seekers you see are people who already have a job but are making less than they like. Since hiring is less frequent, advancement is less frequent, raises are less frequent, etc.

She said in some ways it's hardest to hire at either end of the unemployment scale; with low unemployment you have to pay out the nose for good people and they may skip on you quickly. In high unemployment you have a glut of people but if you hire someone who's just taking a job of convenience, he'll be on the lookout for a job that really suits him and rewards him better.

477 iossarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:44:47am

re: #473 iossarian

Less extreme but more directly relevant to the issue here is the Republican party's general opposition to minority quota legislation/affirmative action, the absence of which makes it very easy for businesses to avoid hiring "undesirables".

In fact, I'll elaborate on affirmative action: the Republican party's opposition to affirmative action in higher education is a disgusting effort to prevent academic institutions from offering a minor helping hand to students who have been discriminated against every step of the way over the first 18 years of their lives.

Talk about slamming shut a door that's only half-open in the first place.

478 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:45:22am

re: #467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes, some of that is a response to Congress limiting fees in other areas - but that again goes to the question of charging fees to access your own accounts. The banks were charging merchants fees for debits, and those amounts were limited. So the banks were limited on where they could turn to find still more money - and that meant customer accounts and debit cards. Credit card accounts are regulated and they couldn't impose fees there.

It's why the banks keep raising fees on stuff like overdrafts and late fees - because those are areas where they can raise rates and I'm okay with stuff like that, but when the bank charges you money to withdraw your own money that is just wrong. The banks are attempting to respond to the shareholders to show profits and that cuts into individual customers' own purchasing power (because of the additional transaction costs).

479 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:47:27am

So far this morning, Bother Puppy has destroyed an "unmentionable" and climbed the couch to "retreive" the most expennsive grooming tool I have--he didn't bring it to me.

How has your morning been?

480 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:48:01am

re: #475 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Darwin at work. We believe in Darwinism in everything except for people.

481 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:48:11am

re: #469 wozzablog

Oh, and the low lending situation means not as many entrepreneurs, too, opening small businesses and employing themselves and others that way. So there's that aspect of the current economic climate too.

482 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:49:21am

re: #476 Obdicut

An HR friend of mine explained that a lot of the job seekers you see are people who already have a job but are making less than they like. Since hiring is less frequent, advancement is less frequent, raises are less frequent, etc.

She said in some ways it's hardest to hire at either end of the unemployment scale; with low unemployment you have to pay out the nose for good people and they may skip on you quickly. In high unemployment you have a glut of people but if you hire someone who's just taking a job of convenience, he'll be on the lookout for a job that really suits him and rewards him better.

This was not a well rewarded job I was going for. It would be a sideways or downwards step in the market for anyone else going for it.

What I'm hearing here is that people are just battening down the hatches and sucking it up at stuff they hate - because - hey - it's something.

483 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:49:35am

re: #476 Obdicut

An HR friend of mine explained that a lot of the job seekers you see are people who already have a job but are making less than they like. Since hiring is less frequent, advancement is less frequent, raises are less frequent, etc.

She said in some ways it's hardest to hire at either end of the unemployment scale; with low unemployment you have to pay out the nose for good people and they may skip on you quickly. In high unemployment you have a glut of people but if you hire someone who's just taking a job of convenience, he'll be on the lookout for a job that really suits him and rewards him better.

What about this very disturbing trend in HR that "unemployed need not apply." HTF can they get away with that?

484 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:50:52am

re: #480 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Darwin at work. We believe in Darwinism in everything except for people.

And thank god, because Darwinism can be the cruelest son of a bitch around, rewarding parasitism and fuckery.

But there still is a 'fitness environment' for capitalism that does obey semi-Darwinian rules. Regulations are a good example; a regulation is basically the terrain that a company adapts to. Sometimes those adaptations are positive, and sometimes the adaptations are negative. Depends on how well-done the regulation is.

If you regulate that nobody's allowed to sell anyone wooden nickels, but don't bother to regulate wooden dimes, you've not done a lick of good. And if you regulate that every timber company has to plant a tree but allow 'kudzu' to count as a tree, you're really fucking up.

Strong regulation is not the enemy of business. Bad regulation is.

485 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:51:01am

Don't tell the confederates Mr. Black Walnut appeared in those Black racist separatist publications...they'll be hoppin' mad...[well, even more seething than usual...]

[Link: books.google.com...]

[Link: books.google.com...]

486 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:52:29am

re: #483 Alouette

What about this very disturbing trend in HR that "unemployed need not apply." HTF can they get away with that?

I imagine, they same way they got away with requiring a "cultural fit" in the '00s...and being open about it.

Fkn unreal.

487 iossarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:52:38am

re: #480 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Darwin at work. We believe in Darwinism in everything except for people.

I'm not really sure how to respond to this. Are you saying that, if a "strong" group of people emerges, it's only right and proper that it gets to dominate the "weak" group?

488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:52:38am

re: #476 Obdicut

We've, in the past year, hired four people who didn't show up for their first day of work because the job they wanted came through. We were grateful they didn't show up, because we would have wasted even ten minutes on them when they had their eye on the door the whole time.

Two of them tried to come back because it "didn't work out". They were surprised when we passed on their generous offer of return.

489 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:53:18am

re: #485 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

At first I thought he was in the picture with Whitney Houston and I was like "Cain, you sly thing you."

490 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:53:53am

re: #485 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Don't tell the confederates Mr. Black Walnut appeared in those Black racist separatist publications...they'll be hoppin' mad...[well, even more seething than usual...]

[Link: books.google.com...]

[Link: books.google.com...]

OMG! Being me, I scrolled and the FASHION -- I forgot how 80's the 80's were.

491 kirkspencer  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:53:58am

re: #483 Alouette

What about this very disturbing trend in HR that "unemployed need not apply." HTF can they get away with that?

They get away with it because it's a buyer's (employer's) market.

The underlying reasoning is that if you were laid off and your competition wasn't, they were better than you. If you'd been better, you're the one that would have been kept.

492 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:54:22am

re: #480 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Darwin at work. We believe in Darwinism in everything except for people.

I don't understand the comment, but perhaps that, too, is Darwin at work.

493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:54:42am

re: #487 iossarian

I'm not really sure how to respond to this. Are you saying that, if a "strong" group of people emerges, it's only right and proper that it gets to dominate the "weak" group?

Not saying "right and proper". Saying "what will generally happen".

494 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:55:30am

re: #491 kirkspencer

If you'd been better, you're the one that would have been kept.

Dude......

Entire departments are being gotten rid of at a stroke and whole companies are going under.

495 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:55:55am

re: #490 ggt

OMG! Being me, I scrolled and the FASHION -- I forgot how 80's the 80's were.

I have a bunch of Ebony mags from the 50s-70s. You should have seen how 50s-70 they were back then.

496 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:56:36am

Can you imagine

this

Your text to link...headline today?

My, how 20 years can change things.

497 iossarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:56:53am

re: #493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not saying "right and proper". Saying "what will generally happen".

Well, it's either a good thing or a bad thing. Two tribes live on an island - the stronger tribe enslaves the weaker one. Is that good or bad?

498 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:57:20am

re: #488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What dicks. I actually shoot myself in the foot all the time by always scrupulously avoiding not overcommitting to contracts and jobs. I just would hate to be in a position to let anyone down.

But yeah, it's a real phenomenon. I did actually just not get a job (I mean, a contracting/consulting job, but a significant one) because they were worried I'd back out of it eventually to go work in a higher position, before the project was over. I wouldn't, but I understand their position.

499 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:57:55am

re: #497 iossarian

Well, it's either a good thing or a bad thing. Two tribes live on an island - the stronger tribe enslaves the weaker one. Is that good or bad?

The natural order of things is moral or immoral depending on the current set of values society has adopted.

500 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:58:14am

re: #491 kirkspencer

They get away with it because it's a buyer's (employer's) market.

The underlying reasoning is that if you were laid off and your competition wasn't, they were better than you. If you'd been better, you're the one that would have been kept.

That's breathtakingly stupid. Entire departments have been wiped out or moved offshore. It was never a matter of "who's better," only "who's cheaper."

501 kirkspencer  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:58:47am

re: #494 wozzablog

Dude...

Entire departments are being gotten rid of at a stroke and whole companies are going under.

Yes, I know. But I'm explaining THEIR reasoning.

I've been on the ugly side of that stick for over three years now. It's an outgrowth of the calvinistic perception that exterior worth reflects interior value.

That if you're in trouble it's God's way of saying you're bad and need to make better of yourself.

Pushed to defend it, people don't. But it's a pervasive default in our culture.

502 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:59:34am

Is this Iman?

The number of Cigarette ads is amazing!

503 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 7:59:49am

re: #496 ggt

Can you imagine

Your text to link...headline today?

My, how 20 years can change things.

I do enjoy that HC looks basically the same after 20 years. Less hair, different glasses.

504 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:01:12am

re: #501 kirkspencer

Yes, I know. But I'm explaining THEIR reasoning.

Well, it's the lies they tell themselves so they can save their own hides. They are the only dupes who believe it, I think.

I can't think of anything more useless than an HR department.

505 iossarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:02:02am

re: #499 ggt

The natural order of things is moral or immoral depending on the current set of values society has adopted.

Well, part of the natural order of things is that humans regulate their societies. What I mean by that is that there's always some kind of societal regulation going on, it's not something that happens "on top of" a theoretical "natural" human setting in which there's no societal regulation.

So, for me, saying "that's just the natural order of things" is a bit of a cop-out (and is usually deployed to justify some kind of behavior that seems hard to justify).

506 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:03:14am

re: #504 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I've known good HR departments. That you run into so many isn't usually the fault of the workers there, but the specific tasks assigned to them by the company. To far too many companies, HR departments are just there in order to limit the liability of the company.

But at Valve, for example, the HR people are actually goddamn masters at their job, helping people actually grow in their roles and helping to create the great culture that they have there.

507 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:03:41am

re: #505 iossarian

Well, part of the natural order of things is that humans regulate their societies. What I mean by that is that there's always some kind of societal regulation going on, it's not something that happens "on top of" a theoretical "natural" human setting in which there's no societal regulation.

So, for me, saying "that's just the natural order of things" is a bit of a cop-out (and is usually deployed to justify some kind of behavior that seems hard to justify).

Well, interpret it as you will. Humans are humans.

508 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:04:01am

re: #502 ggt

Is this Iman?

The number of Cigarette ads is amazing!

Random Fashion Fair model.

First time reading Jet?

509 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:04:32am

re: #502 ggt

It most certainly is Mrs. David Bowie

510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:05:21am

re: #492 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I don't understand the comment, but perhaps that, too, is Darwin at work.

It's not hard to understand, and I have a feeling you understand exactly what I meant. Purposefully obtuse is the way you work, which amazes me because you are obviously brilliant, and that's what makes it so obvious that it is on purpose.

In a nutshell? The people least able to adapt will not thrive.

511 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:06:08am

re: #505 iossarian

Well, part of the natural order of things is that humans regulate their societies. What I mean by that is that there's always some kind of societal regulation going on, it's not something that happens "on top of" a theoretical "natural" human setting in which there's no societal regulation.

So, for me, saying "that's just the natural order of things" is a bit of a cop-out (and is usually deployed to justify some kind of behavior that seems hard to justify).

Typically used to rationalize inequity.

512 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:07:13am

Italy cracks down on anarchists after riot

Politicians from both the opposition and Premier Silvio Berlusconi's coalition called for a get-tough campaign against so-called "urban guerrillas."

"There was tried and true urban terrorism," Francesco Giro, a Culture Ministry undersecretary said, surveying damage near Rome's St. John Lateran Basilica.

"We need to apply anti-terrorism laws," ANSA quoted Giro as saying in a call for authorities to launch preventive crackdowns on anarchists and insurrectionists.

513 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:07:51am

re: #508 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Random Fashion Fair model.

First time reading Jet?

No, I flip thru every magazine looking at fashion stuff. At the nail shop, at the doctor's office at the library, wherever.

514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:08:40am

People in general? Suck.

515 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:10:06am

re: #508 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Random Fashion Fair model.

First time reading Jet?

Page 32, I'm not sure my attempted link worked.

516 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:10:44am

re: #510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's not hard to understand, and I have a feeling you understand exactly what I meant.

No, I really didn't understand what you meant at all. Looks like I wasn't alone, either.

Purposefully obtuse is the way you work, which amazes me because you are obviously brilliant, and that's what makes it so obvious that it is on purpose.

In a nutshell? The people least able to adapt will not thrive.

Please. My intellect is nothing to write home about. Thanks for the compliment just the same.

BTW, adapt to what - systems that hold them back so a few can prosper? It's easy not to thrive in that environment, it's true.

Social darwinism is like social conservatism -- for the birds.

517 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:11:18am
Outcry in China over hit-and-run toddler left in street

Chinese media and internet users have voiced shock at a hit-and-run incident involving a two-year-old child left injured in the road as passers-by ignored her.

The toddler was hit by a van on Thursday in the city of Foshan.

After the van sped off, several pedestrians and vehicles passed the girl without stopping. Several minutes later she was hit by another vehicle.

A rubbish collector finally helped her, but she is said to be seriously hurt.

The incident was captured on surveillance cameras and aired on local media.

The footage showed the van hitting the little girl, pausing briefly while she was under the vehicle and then driving off, running over her legs.

It then showed about a dozen passers-by, including cyclists, a motorcyclist and a woman and child, noticing the little girl lying injured in the street but walking on.

After she was hit by the second vehicle, a rubbish collector spotted the little girl and moved her to the kerb, then began looking for her mother.

The child, Yue Yue, was taken to hospital for emergency surgery but pronounced brain dead on Sunday, the China Daily reported.

The newspaper said she had wandered off while her mother went to collect some laundry.

The drivers of both vehicles have now been arrested, the newspaper said, but the incident has also triggered outcry among Chinese citizens.

It provoked a storm of comment on microblogging site Weibo.

"Even pigs and dogs are better than they are!" said one angry contributor about the passers-by.

"In China, there's no bottom line for human ethics anymore! China is 'smashing' new records again and again!" commented another.

Others were more reflective. "Now people ignore everything other than money. This society is lacking people with a conscience badly."
Scam fears

Some said they understood the dilemma for the passers-by - that if they helped out they might incur costs or be blamed for the accident.

The China Daily reported incidents in January in which elderly men who fell in the street were left alone because people did not want to get involved.

It cited an earlier case in which a man, Peng Yu, who helped an injured elderly lady to hospital was then found by a court to be liable for some of her medical costs.

Another case - in which an elderly woman believed to have fallen in the road accused a man, Xu Yunhe, who stopped to help her, of hitting her with his car - also attracted considerable attention.

"There's been so many cases where people have been treated unjustly after doing good things," one comment said.

"I am not as rich as Xu Yunhe and Peng Yu are, we are all poor grassroots people," said another. "If we get caught in a scam, this is it. All we can do is to dial 120 (the emergency number)."

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

518 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:11:28am

re: #515 ggt

Page 32, I'm not sure my attempted link worked.

Ah. It went to the Fashion Fair ad next to the HC article.

519 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:14:48am

re: #514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The good news is that there are significant flaws in that experiment which may have pushed things in the bias of evil. Read the criticisms part:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

But here's what I wrote on the subject in my novel thingy just the other day.

It’s like you’re walking along a high, high ridge with ten other companions. Behind you follows a wall of darkness, which you need to keep moving every day to stay ahead of. Every night you make camp and tne next morning you march off in different order. One day, you slip and start to fall. If you’re in a good group, everyone around you will reach down to pull you up. But we’re humans. Some of us are evil. And if just two out of ten people you are with can’t recognize their own best interest is in that of others you’re dead inevitably eventually. Because if you have ten people walking single-file, at any given moment when you fall you need at least one person on either side of you to pull you up. So your life depends on two people. If there are two evil people in the group, eventually you will be bracketed with those two evil fuckers. And they will look away as you fall down, pretend not to react in time, and you will die. And then there will be nine people in the group, with two of them evil. And then there will be six. And it will go down until the two evil fuckers are staring at each other.

Maybe at the end they learn to cooperate and that’ll be the story of the human race, the assholes winning by horrendous default, learning their lesson but never having the spirit of generosity, the binding between them pure self-interest. The first time one of those dudes invents the mountain-climbing robot or the hot air balloon, seeya. He’s gone. Maybe if you pay him lots of money he’ll let you ride along. If you give him everything you have and then you muck out his crap and wipe his ass and serve him lunch and dinner because otherwise you’ll just be on your own walking against the darkness and your first slip or trip and you’ll be dead. He won’t have killed you. And so you’d enslave yourself for the hope of the future. Maybe even those that have been oppressed are themselves just the lesser of the two evils that were left after everyone else was selected against. Maybe all this has already happened.

520 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:15:36am

re: #506 Obdicut

To far too many companies, HR departments are just there in order to limit the liability of the company.

And they know jack shyt about anything.

I've seen all manner of HR departments, in various settings. The best one happened to be at a non-profit I was at.

521 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:16:51am

re: #514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

People in general? Suck.

Lol Stanford sux.

522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:17:00am

re: #516 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It was a sincere compliment. I don't have to like you to admire you.

523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:17:43am
Homo sapiens arose in Africa and migrated out of the continent around 50,000 to 100,000 years ago, replacing populations of Homo erectus in Asia and Neanderthals in Europe.

Been going on for quite a while, Crush.

524 iossarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:21:09am

re: #523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Been going on for quite a while, Crush.

Ergo people oppressing other people is acceptable?

I'm still not following this line of argument. Is oppression of one group of people by another "stronger" group good or bad?

Not "has it happened in the past". Good or bad?

525 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:21:11am

re: #522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It was a sincere compliment. I don't have to like you to admire you.

I'll live. I guess.

re: #523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Homo sapiens arose in Africa and migrated out of the continent around 50,000 to 100,000 years ago, replacing populations of Homo erectus in Asia and Neanderthals in Europe.

Been going on for quite a while, Crush.

?

526 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:22:16am

re: #517 000G

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

I have a friend who emmigrated from China who told me about a similar story. She said that no one went to look after the child from her story because they didn't want to be responsible. The social system there, was to her and her native Chinese family, insane. So, they came to America.

527 iossarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:22:36am

People have been dying of disease for millions of years. It's part of the natural order of things. Darwinism at work if you will.

Therefore, attempts to eliminate or mitigate disease are misguided and will only allow the weak to flourish in a way they do not deserve.

528 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:22:53am

re: #514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

People in unearned positions of power over other people? Suck.

Fixed that for you, you misanthrope.

529 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:24:05am

re: #525 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

There you go again.

530 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:26:05am

re: #528 000G

Fixed that for you, you misanthrope.

Okay. That's a first. I'm a misanthrope!

Well, I guess it is implied in my nic. I really am a bastard.

531 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:26:59am

re: #527 iossarian

People have been dying of disease for millions of years. It's part of the natural order of things. Darwinism at work if you will.

Therefore, attempts to eliminate or mitigate disease are misguided and will only allow the weak to flourish in a way they do not deserve.

This is what I think is so interesting about "survival of the fittest". The "fittest" is a subjective term that can only be defined in retrospect. By those that actually survive.

Someone with a superior immune system might seem the "fittest" to survive disease, but by accident of birth or the OCD gene, the person born in a society that teaches hand washing, is more likely to survive than someone born in a 3rd world country or someone that doesn't practice good hygiene.

The "fittest" can random luck or it can depend on the action of the individual.

532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:27:08am

re: #527 iossarian

People have been dying of disease for millions of years. It's part of the natural order of things. Darwinism at work if you will.

Therefore, attempts to eliminate or mitigate disease are misguided and will only allow the weak to flourish in a way they do not deserve.

No. It is part of the adaptability of the species. Darwin at work.

533 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:27:25am

bbl

534 iossarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:30:13am

re: #532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No. It is part of the adaptability of the species. Darwin at work.

Good. Now replace "disease" with "socio-economic inequality" in my comment above:

People have been dying of socio-economic inequality for millions of years. It's part of the natural order of things. Darwinism at work if you will.

Therefore, attempts to eliminate or mitigate socio-economic inequality are misguided and will only allow the weak to flourish in a way they do not deserve.

535 iossarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:42:46am

OK all you philosopher-kings. Lunch beckons its meaty finger.

536 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:44:02am

re: #534 iossarian

You seem to be assuming that equality (of any kind) will ever take place on earth.

I'm sounding cruel.

In the movie "Coming to America", an idyllic kingdom still had bathers who bathed the king and sometimes had to have sex with him. He probably favored a bather who got more perks than the other ones and she probably waved it in the other's faces.

There is going to be a guy in North Korea who's job it is to sort the rice by lengths for the great leader. One will become chief sorter and get better perks.

There's going to be a guy who scrubs floors in the White House. There may be a best scrubber, but if there's not, there was one who got promoted over the other scrubbers. Or played the game well enough to make that happen.

I'm not trying to be cruel. It's just that there seems to be this wild idea that the Wild Kingdom is a myth. It is not.

537 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:45:21am

re: #535 iossarian

OK all you philosopher-kings. Lunch beckons its meaty finger.

Speaking of inequality...

538 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:46:11am

People who hold natural rights to be supreme over positive rights while still defending "capitalism", a position often found among conservative "Libertarians", contradict themselves: There would be no property titles, for instance, if you had to rely on natural rights only.

539 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:48:15am

re: #536 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's not about equality of outcomes for all, it's about fairness in providing chances for all.

This is not the Khmer Rouge you are talking to.

540 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:51:30am

re: #537 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

As Lurch used to say

"You Rang??"

Youtube Video
541 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:52:36am

re: #529 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There you go again.

Sorry, even in my brilliance, I cannot divine what

Homo sapiens arose in Africa and migrated out of the continent around 50,000 to 100,000 years ago, replacing populations of Homo erectus in Asia and Neanderthals in Europe.

Been going on for quite a while, Crush.

means. I don't know where that came from, or what you mean by it.

It's not clear, at all.

542 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:54:56am

Well, I see that the children who stalk LGF were playing games with our tweet counters again last night. Not sure why they think it's hurting LGF for them to artificially inflate those numbers, but I'm sure it makes some kind of warped sense to their damaged minds.

543 Lidane  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:57:35am

re: #542 Charles

The more we tweet Charles Johnson's lies the more he's discredited! Eleventy!

/stalker

544 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:57:53am

re: #536 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You seem to be assuming that equality (of any kind) will ever take place on earth.

Equality under the law is supposedly the law of the land.

Isn't it?

545 R.M, Ramallo  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:58:36am

Thus far, whether in recorded history or pre history, the one advantage that has made the human species successful, the one thing that has allowed us to dominate nearly every corner of the earth, has been altruism. That is, recognizing the survival of People is enhanced by unselfish concern for every member of the society and that we are only as strong as our weakest link. Human beings, from birth to death are weak in tooth and claw, our greatest asset is the mind. We recognize that the strongest minds are often housed in the weakest bodies, or come from the most inauspicious backgrounds, and it is to all of our benefit to protect them.
At this stage of the game, tribalism, old fashioned tribalism, which appears to be a meme of late, is archaic. It undermines the very thing that grants our advantage. It's a detriment to the continuation of our species on every level. Why, because it fails to recognize that we are all part of the same tribe.

546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 8:59:13am

So, how do we make it fair? And who gets to define fair?

I don't understand how the hell society will ever become "fair". As long as one has more than another, there will always be shouts of "fair".

The word "fair" appears in the phrase "Fairy Tale".

Reality is a bitch.

547 kirkspencer  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:00:52am

re: #536 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You seem to be assuming that equality (of any kind) will ever take place on earth.

I'm sounding cruel.

In the movie "Coming to America", an idyllic kingdom still had bathers who bathed the king and sometimes had to have sex with him. He probably favored a bather who got more perks than the other ones and she probably waved it in the other's faces.

There is going to be a guy in North Korea who's job it is to sort the rice by lengths for the great leader. One will become chief sorter and get better perks.

There's going to be a guy who scrubs floors in the White House. There may be a best scrubber, but if there's not, there was one who got promoted over the other scrubbers. Or played the game well enough to make that happen.

I'm not trying to be cruel. It's just that there seems to be this wild idea that the Wild Kingdom is a myth. It is not.

Actually, there's "best" and there's "best".

The person most likely to be promoted is the one with whom the boss most likes to compare himself and/or associate. Far too often it has little to do with job performance; it's a matter of looks and interests.

That's why I personally tend to scoff at your original point of it being a matter of effort and self-discipline -- hard work, in other words.

There are exceptions. And sucking up won't cover for ALL performance differences. But doing almost as good as everyone else while drinking the same beverages and enjoying the same hobby and dressing similar to the promoting agent (who may or may not be the boss) makes a person MORE likely to be promoted.

548 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:00:55am

re: #546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, how do we make it fair? And who gets to define fair.

Society gets to define fair, and hopefully that definition of fair will be fair. Because if it's unfair, well, everybody is stuck with it, until the mores evolve (or devolve).

549 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:02:05am

re: #544 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Equality under the law is supposedly the law of the land.

Isn't it?

Yep. Supposedly. And has been bastardized by those with power and advantage.

Just like the next version will be.

And the one after that.

550 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:03:47am

re: #548 Sergey Romanov

Society gets to define fair, and hopefully that definition of fair will be fair. Because if it's unfair, well, everybody is stuck with it, until the mores evolve (or devolve).

But some in society think it is fair. And some do not think it is fair.

That's the fuck all of it. It'll never stop.

551 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:04:53am

re: #541 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Homo sapiens crushed the skulls and out-screwed the other Hominids. Evolution.

552 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:05:22am

re: #549 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. Supposedly. And has been bastardized by those with power and advantage.

Just like the next version will be.

And the one after that.

Settle for that if you want, but that's not good enough for most people. Our history attests to it.

553 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:06:32am

re: #551 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Homo sapiens crushed the skulls and out-screwed the other Hominids. Evolution.

And?

554 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:07:38am

re: #552 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Settle for that if you want, but that's not good enough for most people. Our history attests to it.

You're absolutely right. History attests to the fact that however idyllic a society gets, someone's gonna come out on top, someone's gonna get pissed about it and the pitchforks will come out.

It keeps happening, Crush, and it will continue to happen.

555 R.M, Ramallo  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:07:42am

Equal outcome is not the point. Equal access to opportunity is. Fairness under the law is the point. The ability to raise ones family, yes after a long days work, without worrying about how your going to pay your water bill is the point...

556 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:08:05am

re: #546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, how do we make it fair? And who gets to define fair?

I don't understand how the hell society will ever become "fair". As long as one has more than another, there will always be shouts of "fair".

The word "fair" appears in the phrase "Fairy Tale".

Reality is a bitch.

Make what "fair"? What is meant by "it"?

And who said anything about being "fair"?

557 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:08:21am

re: #552 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Settle for that if you want, but that's not good enough for most people. Our history attests to it.

Which is what is so cool about our system of government. We can constantly challenge and redefine --thru the system. We don't have to resort to violence--we just have to have patience and be resiliant.

558 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:08:58am

re: #544 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Equality under the law is supposedly the law of the land.

Isn't it?

Equal opportunity,, SI

Equal results, not so much!

559 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:10:59am

re: #558 sattv4u2

Equal opportunity,, SI

Equal results, not so much!

Humans being humans will complain, regardless.

560 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:11:31am

re: #553 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

And?

Now it's happening in a different way. It won't stop.

I think it's cute how people think they can overcome nature.

For example you, Crush. You're a great debater. You're smart; armed with facts and passion. You have no problem stomping someone with an argument. Lording over them with your great wisdom and power.

Getting them to flounce or quit posting for the obviously gives you a great sense of achievement. That's not fair, so, you shouldn't do that.

561 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:11:41am

re: #557 ggt

Which is what is so cool about our system of government. We can constantly challenge and redefine --thru the system. We don't have to resort to violence--we just have to have patience and be resiliant.

Patience is fine within reason, but we haven't always been dealing with a rational system. When violence is being heaped on the non-violent for wanting the govt to live up to what it says, that's irrational.

562 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:12:02am

True on so many levels:

Not only is it not all about us, it’s barely about us at all.

563 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:12:37am

re: #559 ggt

Humans being humans will complain, regardless.

absogolutely!

564 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:13:12am

re: #555 OhNoZombies!

Equal outcome is not the point. Equal access to opportunity is. Fairness under the law is the point. The ability to raise ones family, yes after a long days work, without worrying about how your going to pay your water bill is the point...

I know.

We were talking about canards, earlier. "Equality of outcome" is one of the biggest social con canards there is.

565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:13:22am

re: #539 000G

It's not about equality of outcomes for all, it's about fairness in providing chances for all.

re: #556 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Make what "fair"? What is meant by "it"?

And who said anything about being "fair"?

Right there. I wasn't talking to you.

566 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:14:46am

re: #565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #556 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Right there. I wasn't talking to you.

#546 looks like you weren't talking to anyone in particular.

So what if I replied.

567 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:15:13am

re: #566 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah. I noticed that too. Sorry.

568 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:16:19am

re: #560 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm just trying to figure out what the eff you're saying.

For example you, Crush. You're a great debater. You're smart; armed with facts and passion. You have no problem stomping someone with an argument. Lording over them with your great wisdom and power.

smh

569 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:16:47am

re: #550 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But some in society think it is fair. And some do not think it is fair.

That's the fuck all of it. It'll never stop.

Sure, that's why there's democracy.

570 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:16:51am

Off to work. Y'all have fun. If y'all figure out how to fix the inequalities? I'm all ears.

But don't be surprised if I don't point and laugh a little.

571 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:18:07am

re: #570 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Off to work. Y'all have fun. If y'all figure out how to fix the inequalities? I'm all ears.

But don't be surprised if I don't point and laugh a little.

Hold the door for me, will ya?

Gotta leave also

NBC is very "needy" today!!

572 R.M, Ramallo  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:18:14am

re: #564 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

In a former life, I used to lurk a VDare.
And while I would never compare anyone on LGF to those pseudointellectual cherry-picking freaks, I recognize the drill.

573 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:19:46am

re: #570 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Off to work. Y'all have fun. If y'all figure out how to fix the inequalities? I'm all ears.

But don't be surprised if I don't point and laugh a little.

Different kinds of "inequalities" have different solutions because they're, you know, different.

It's really unlikely we're going to come with any solutions in this thread.

574 R.M, Ramallo  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:21:33am

re: #569 Sergey Romanov

That is evolution in action.

575 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:23:26am

can you find it?

576 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:23:26am

re: #572 OhNoZombies!

In a former life, I used to lurk a VDare.
And while I would never compare anyone on LGF to those pseudointellectual cherry-picking freaks, I recognize the drill.

VDare's confederate filth has been mainstreamed for a while, afaic.

More sociopaths looking to either justify their unearned privileges, or to scapegoat others for their personal miseries. /Schadenfreude

577 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:24:19am

re: #575 ggt

can you find it?

I found found it.

578 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:24:46am

re: #575 ggt

can you find it?

the the

579 garhighway  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:26:36am

Afternoon all, from sunny and mild NYC.

I apologize if this was already posted, but it's Monday, so that's a Krugman day. Today he's talking about OWS and the Wall Street response to them (which he characterizes as "leave us alone, we're the only guys in the US economy making any money. Don't screw it up."):

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Sample:

Not coincidentally, the era of an ever-growing financial industry was also an era of ever-growing inequality of income and wealth. Wall Street made a large direct contribution to economic polarization, because soaring incomes in finance accounted for a significant fraction of the rising share of the top 1 percent (and the top 0.1 percent, which accounts for most of the top 1 percent’s gains) in the nation’s income. More broadly, the same political forces that promoted financial deregulation fostered overall inequality in a variety of ways, undermining organized labor, doing away with the “outrage constraint” that used to limit executive paychecks, and more.

Oh, and taxes on the wealthy were, of course, sharply reduced.

All of this was supposed to be justified by results: the paychecks of the wizards of Wall Street were appropriate, we were told, because of the wonderful things they did. Somehow, however, that wonderfulness failed to trickle down to the rest of the nation — and that was true even before the crisis. Median family income, adjusted for inflation, grew only about a fifth as much between 1980 and 2007 as it did in the generation following World War II, even though the postwar economy was marked both by strict financial regulation and by much higher tax rates on the wealthy than anything currently under political discussion.

Then came the crisis, which proved that all those claims about how modern finance had reduced risk and made the system more stable were utter nonsense. Government bailouts were all that saved us from a financial meltdown as bad as or worse than the one that caused the Great Depression.

580 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:27:07am

re: #539 000G

It's not about equality of outcomes for all, it's about fairness in providing chances for all.

This is not the Khmer Rouge you are talking to.

The funny thing is that the unwilligness to provide fair chances for all has resulted in an increased equality of outcome, an outcome for the worse: the wage stagnation and the erosion of the middle class in America.

This is enlightening.

581 R.M, Ramallo  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:28:03am

re: #576 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

VDare is the willful misuse of science to meet sociopathic ends, and Steve Sailor is a twisted ugly monster who promotes crap with a smile.
Yes.

582 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:28:50am

re: #554 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're absolutely right. History attests to the fact that however idyllic a society gets, someone's gonna come out on top, someone's gonna get pissed about it and the pitchforks will come out.

It keeps happening, Crush, and it will continue to happen.

Lol "idyllic"

I sure hope you don't really have this kind of contempt for the Constitution, that you find it "idyllic".

583 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:32:12am

re: #546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, how do we make it fair? And who gets to define fair?

You live in a democratic republic, a society with laws and a constitution. That should answer your questions right there, should they not have been merely lame rhetoric devices.

I don't understand how the hell society will ever become "fair". As long as one has more than another, there will always be shouts of "fair".

It is not about the creation of some utopia and then bam, we're done. There will laways be mistakes, failures, accidents, bad luck, corruption. There will always be things to rectify. That does not contradict the notion that they should be recitifed, as you seem to suggest.

The word "fair" appears in the phrase "Fairy Tale".

It also appears in a lot of legal literature. What's your point?

Reality is a bitch.

Doesn't give you any excuse whatsoever to be one to your fellow man.

584 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:33:08am

re: #581 OhNoZombies!

VDare is the willful misuse of science to meet sociopathic ends, and Steve Sailor is a twisted ugly monster who promotes crap with a smile.
Yes.

He spells it Sailer, in case people want to see for themselves.

585 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:34:24am

re: #549 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. Supposedly. And has been bastardized by those with power and advantage.

Just like the next version will be.

And the one after that.

That's just a bunch of empty and defeatist cynical truisms.

"The man won't let me have justice!"

Sounds like pinko hippy talk to me. ;-)

586 garhighway  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:34:48am

re: #580 000G

Great TR quote there.

Funny: we live in a more highly interconnected world, where the guys who make the big coin depend far more on the social infrastructure than they did in TR's day. And yet these self-important clowns feel less connected to the body politic, and have less insight into their reliance on (and debt for) the larger social infrastructure that makes their success possible. ("It's MY money. I earned it! Taxes are the confiscation of MY MONEY by force and have no moral basis!")

Or even more absurd, the ones that claim there's some constitutional or moral imperative to preserve the Bush tax rates. Like those came down on a stone tablet.

587 R.M, Ramallo  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:35:17am

re: #584 wrenchwench

Autocorrect Strikes again!

588 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:35:30am

re: #581 OhNoZombies!

VDare is the willful misuse of science to meet sociopathic ends, and Steve Sailor is a twisted ugly monster who promotes crap with a smile.
Yes.

Yeah - right in line with Galton, Madison Grant, and the rest of those dumb bigots.

It's funny -- for all the rwnj shrieking like that genius in 000G's video, about "progressive eugenicists" and godless liberal darwinist evolutionary blah blah, it's the rightwing that articulates those ideas. Crap like The Bell Curve (another rationalization of inequity), Manhattan Institute, VDare, Kevin MacDonald and the rest of those neo-nazis in tennis sweaters pump that filth into people's minds and they believe it.

Malkin still writes for them. It's not so fringe.

589 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:37:11am

re: #560 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think it's cute how people think they can overcome nature.

I think it's cute how you think everything can be reduced to nature, and letting us know this over the fucking internet!

590 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:37:58am

re: #587 OhNoZombies!

Autocorrect Strikes again!

The tech pundits are having fun with Siri. It's supposed to be the next, um, evolutionary step in autocorrect fail.

591 R.M, Ramallo  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:38:11am

re: #588 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Michelle Malkin is mentally ill.
I should probably add --In my opinion. :)

592 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:38:27am

re: #589 000G

I think it's cute how you think everything can be reduced to nature, and letting us know this over the fucking internet!

Well, I think you're both adorable and want to dress you both in sailor suits.

593 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:40:05am

re: #591 OhNoZombies!

Michelle Malkin is mentally ill.
I should probably add --In my opinion. :)

I think being a well-paid, self-duped shill can be mistaken for mental illness.

594 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:40:25am

re: #592 Obdicut

Well, I think you're both adorable and want to dress you both in sailor suits.

Just so long as they're not Sailer suits..

595 garhighway  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:40:46am

re: #592 Obdicut

Well, I think you're both adorable and want to dress you both in sailor suits...

...and then want to chain you together by the wrists and watch you fight with knives.

/

596 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:41:09am

re: #564 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I know.

We were talking about canards, earlier. "Equality of outcome" is one of the biggest social con canards there is.

Heinlein comes to mind. But also Vonnegut and of course Rand.

I believe novels have probably shaped popular opinion on social issues far more than any scientific study.

597 Lidane  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:42:46am

re: #593 wrenchwench

I think being a well-paid, self-duped shill can be mistaken for mental illness.

An Asian woman writing books defending the Japanese internment camps during WW2 = either self-hatred, trolling for cash, or mental illness. Or all three.

Malkin is batshit.

598 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:44:00am

re: #591 OhNoZombies!

Michelle Malkin is mentally ill.
I should probably add --In my opinion. :)

You are just afraid/jealous of beautiful, attractive, conservative women!

Why can't you pay attention to their hawt, girl-girl ideas!?!

/you knew it was coming

599 R.M, Ramallo  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:44:10am

True, but what happens when one stares into that abyss?
To the brain, I mean. :)

re: #593 wrenchwench

600 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:44:25am

And now I have a permanent solution to the stalkers' tweet counter idiocy.

Game over, children.

601 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:44:40am

re: #586 garhighway

TR?

602 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:44:55am

re: #597 Lidane

An Asian woman writing books defending the Japanese internment camps during WW2 = either self-hatred, trolling for cash, or mental illness. Or all three.

Malkin is batshit.

Yeah, could be the trifecta.

603 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:45:11am

Oh, Teddy Roosevelt?

604 R.M, Ramallo  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:45:27am

re: #598 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ugly insides creep onto the face.

605 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:46:50am

re: #600 Charles

And now I have a permanent solution to the stalkers' tweet counter idiocy.

Game over, children.

Do tell...

606 garhighway  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:47:21am

re: #603 000G

Oh, Teddy Roosevelt?

DingDingDingDing!

607 Lidane  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:47:21am

re: #555 OhNoZombies!

Equal outcome is not the point. Equal access to opportunity is. Fairness under the law is the point. The ability to raise ones family, yes after a long days work, without worrying about how your going to pay your water bill is the point...

YES. THIS.

I've never known anyone, apart from a few far left cranks I knew back in the early 90's, that wants equality of outcome. Equality of opportunity, OTOH, is the main goal.

The question is, how do you gain equality of opportunity when the wealthiest 1% stack the deck against the remaining 99%?

608 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:47:41am

re: #604 OhNoZombies!

Ugly insides creep onto the face.

Indeed. Beauty is as beauty does.

609 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:48:15am

re: #596 000G

Heinlein comes to mind. But also Vonnegut and of course Rand.

I believe novels have probably shaped popular opinion on social issues far more than any scientific study.

I agree. That, and popular culture. I don't think it was a mistake that Miss Rand ended up in the dreaded Hollywood.

Anybody know what she thought of film censor boards like the Breen Office or those localities that would strip entire scenes out of movies?

610 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:50:32am

re: #597 Lidane

An Asian woman writing books defending the Japanese internment camps during WW2 = either self-hatred, trolling for cash, or mental illness. Or all three.

Malkin is batshit.

Youtube Video
611 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:50:55am

re: #573 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Different kinds of "inequalities" have different solutions because they're, you know, different.

It's really unlikely we're going to come with any solutions in this thread.

I think several Lizards have pointed out the solution in so many words -

Ongoing Change.

612 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:51:39am

re: #597 Lidane

An Asian woman writing books defending the Japanese internment camps during WW2 = either self-hatred, trolling for cash, or mental illness. Or all three.

Malkin is batshit.

She doesn't consider herself Asian; I don't think she identifies as Filipino American, either. She says it doesn't, but I do think the fact that the Japanese weren't so kind to the Philippines probably has something to do with her defense of internment.

I was just doing some research on internment and San Francisco for a project. Any rwnj who acts like SF has always been Liberal City needs to do some of the same research. The whackjobs here from that era did them right-proud. Malkin's crap proves it.

613 garhighway  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:51:57am

re: #607 Lidane

YES. THIS.

I've never known anyone, apart from a few far left cranks I knew back in the early 90's, that wants equality of outcome. Equality of opportunity, OTOH, is the main goal.

The question is, how do you gain equality of opportunity when the wealthiest 1% stack the deck against the remaining 99%?

We'll never get there. So long as George Bush the indifferent student gets into and graduates from Yale solely because of his family connections (for example), we'll never have a truly level playing field. ("He was born on third and thinks he hit a triple.")

But it's an 80/20 thing. If can get 80% of the way there, that's pretty good, and the damage we'd incur to get more is probably not worth it.

614 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:52:01am

re: #596 000G

Heinlein comes to mind. But also Vonnegut and of course Rand.

I believe novels have probably shaped popular opinion on social issues far more than any scientific study.

Rod Serling (paraphrase):

"People will accept the truth when told thru fiction"

615 garhighway  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:54:19am

re: #614 ggt

Rod Serling (paraphrase):

"People will accept the truth when told thru fiction"

"It's a cookbook!"

616 R.M, Ramallo  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:54:45am

re: #607 Lidane

Riot ?
Just kidding.
It's a structural problem. The first step in building a strong structure is to create a solid base. The base is education with a focus on critical thinking.

617 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:55:18am

re: #605 Sergey Romanov

Do tell...

That'll just help them get around it.

618 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:55:21am

re: #597 Lidane

Book printed in 2004. Just another demonstration that the right didn't suddenly go batshit crazy in 2008-2009. They became crazier.

619 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:55:31am

Is this not the stupidest and ugliest shoe trend you have ever seen?

Extend the heel and add a block under the toes.

(speaking of fashion)

620 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:55:33am

re: #617 CuriousLurker

That'll just help them get around it.

Not necessarily.

621 recusancy  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:55:38am

re: #614 ggt

Rod Serling (paraphrase):

"People will accept the truth when told thru fiction"

I think it's more: "People will accept the truth if told in an entertaining way".

622 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:56:01am

re: #621 recusancy

I think it's more: "People will accept the truth if told in an entertaining way".

Yeah, but his quote was about "fiction".

I'll have to google it.

623 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:56:07am

re: #620 Sergey Romanov

Not necessarily.

?

624 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:56:28am

re: #623 CuriousLurker

Maybe it's stalker-proof.

625 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:57:37am

re: #619 ggt

Is this not the stupidest and ugliest shoe trend you have ever seen?

Extend the heel and add a block under the toes.

(speaking of fashion)

This.

626 recusancy  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:57:51am

re: #622 ggt

Yeah, but his quote was about "fiction".

I'll have to google it.

Oh yea... I shouldn't have put quotes on their. That's my own take.

627 R.M, Ramallo  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:58:20am

I'm a fan of Joseph Campbell:

“The rise and fall of civilizations in the long, broad course of history can be seen to have been largely a function of the integrity and cogency of their supporting canons of myth; for not authority but aspiration is the motivator, builder, and transformer of civilization.” 
― Joseph Campbell

628 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:58:51am

re: #619 ggt

Is this not the stupidest and ugliest shoe trend you have ever seen?

Extend the heel and add a block under the toes.

(speaking of fashion)

In the seventies they were called platform shoes (although the block went out to the edges of the sole.) At least back then, both sexes were wearing them. Now it's back to footbinding for women only.

629 Lidane  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 9:59:51am

It's 2011 and I'm still glad that Rober Bork was denied a seat on SCOTUS:

Romney Legal Advisor Robert Bork: Women ‘Aren’t Discriminated Against Anymore’

How about the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment? Does [Bork] still think it shouldn’t apply to women?

“Yeah,” he answers. “I think I feel justified by the fact ever since then, the Equal Protection Clause kept expanding in ways that cannot be justified historically, grammatically, or any other way. Women are a majority of the population now—a majority in university classrooms and a majority in all kinds of contexts. It seems to me silly to say, ‘Gee, they’re discriminated against and we need to do something about it.’ They aren’t discriminated against anymore.”

O RLY?

630 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:02:21am

re: #619 ggt

Extend the heel and add a block under the toes.

re: #625 Alouette

This.

E gad, they both look like Medieval torture devices. Good way to break an ankle.

631 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:02:42am

re: #629 Lidane

No offense to DF, but he prolly thinks Bork would've been a great judge ;)

632 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:04:48am

re: #619 ggt

Is this not the stupidest and ugliest shoe trend you have ever seen?

Extend the heel and add a block under the toes.

(speaking of fashion)

That's a broken ankle waiting to happen.

(Full disclosure: My wife has more seemingly-impossible-to-walk-in shoes than Imelda Marcos. That one just looks treacherous.)

633 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:05:53am

re: #630 CuriousLurker

re: #625 Alouette

E gad, they both look like Medieval torture devices. Good way to break an ankle.

A good way to do it while looking ridiculous at the same time. Especially the second one. I mean, what the hell?

634 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:07:28am

re: #630 CuriousLurker

Good way to break an ankle.

re: #632 makeitstop

That's a broken ankle waiting to happen.

Coke jinx!

635 Lidane  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:08:12am

re: #625 Alouette

This.

My most recent shoe purchase. Mine are in black, though.

They're surprisingly comfy and easy to walk in.

636 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:09:09am

re: #618 Sergey Romanov

Book printed in 2004. Just another demonstration that the right didn't suddenly go batshit crazy in 2008-2009. They became crazier.

Heh, they have been going this way since Goldwater campaigned against the CRA'64.

This current crop - Malkin, Coulter, Williams, McWhorter, D'Souza, they have been at this crap for 15+ years.

637 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:09:53am

re: #629 Lidane

It's 2011 and I'm still glad that Rober Bork was denied a seat on SCOTUS:

Romney Legal Advisor Robert Bork: Women ‘Aren’t Discriminated Against Anymore’

O RLY?

Tell it to the women who don't have access to abortion in Arizona.

638 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:10:03am

re: #414 Renaissance_Man

By the way, can I see a link for that? That'd be a great one to bring out for the next round of 'I hate the UN but can't articulate why'.

As many sites argue how much we owe (or even if we should owe anything at all). The number ranges from just shy of $1 billion and $1.6 billion.

Here

and

Here

639 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:10:08am

re: #635 Lidane

My most recent shoe purchase. Mine are in black, though.

They're surprisingly comfy and easy to walk in.

See, as long as they're comfortable and don't make me feel like I'm always about ready to topple over, I'm pretty happy. Price is right, too. White isn't really my colour, though...

640 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:11:15am

re: #635 Lidane

My most recent shoe purchase. Mine are in black, though.

They're surprisingly comfy and easy to walk in.

Those are cute!!!!

641 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:12:16am

re: #630 CuriousLurker

re: #625 Alouette

E gad, they both look like Medieval torture devices. Good way to break an ankle.

These are the shoes I wear to work every day.

They told me I had to wear "professional" footwear that was approved by the dress code.

642 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:12:30am

re: #635 Lidane

My most recent shoe purchase. Mine are in black, though.

They're surprisingly comfy and easy to walk in.

So are these. (The last 3 generations of women in my DIL's family have worn combat boots.)

om/Resources/NSN-Listings/Desert-Boots.htm

643 R.M, Ramallo  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:12:31am

re: #633 Simply Sarah

I like them. Sure they're uncomfortable, I mean really uncomfortable, and there's the danger of having to walking more than 5' at a time , but I'm tired of being the shortest person in my group of friends.
It's worth it.
Er, wait...

644 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:12:51am

I'm really liking this type of color --metallic-multi.

I seems to be the most recent "new black".

I don't particularly like this shoe . . . . .

645 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:13:53am

re: #315 Jimmah

Heh. It's not even as though you mentioned what a total freak Zombie is. Pretending for years to be a woman (I think he claimed it was to 'protect his identity'...lol) and having conversations with himself on LGF via sockpuppets.

Someone who behaves lie that is not to be trusted over anything.

I have no problem with Zombie experimenting with being genderqueer over teh Internetz.

(Actually, I didn't know we'd established a gender one way or another.)

I did have a problem with the 'I can never reveal my true self to my liberal family and friends and employers, I would be ruined and ostracized,' bit. "I am undercover in the land of the evil liberals, and NO ONE MUST KNOW."

Oscar Wilde, perhaps, had reason to be that dramatic about his secret identity.

A photographer at rallies, not so much.

646 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:15:01am

re: #643 OhNoZombies!

I like them. Sure they're uncomfortable, I mean really uncomfortable, and there's the danger of having to walking more than 5' at a time , but I'm tired of being the shortest person in my group of friends.
It's worth it.
Er, wait...

Heh. Being almost 6 feet already (And yet still not the tallest women in my group of friends), the last thing I need is to make myself look taller!

647 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:15:10am

ooooh, I really like this.

648 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:15:58am

re: #634 CuriousLurker

re: #632 makeitstop

Coke jinx!

GMTA! :)

Hoping your Monday is a good one so far, CL.

649 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:16:30am

re: #644 ggt

I'm really liking this type of color --metallic-multi.

I seems to be the most recent "new black".

I don't particularly like this shoe . . .

It's giving me a "My shoes are made of rusted and tarnished steel" feel. Not exactly my cup of tea.

650 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:18:17am

re: #647 ggt

oooh, I really like this.

Ooooh, nice and simple and even available in both brown and black!

651 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:18:45am

re: #642 Decatur Deb

So are these. (The last 3 generations of women in my DIL's family have worn combat boots.)

om/Resources/NSN-Listings/Desert-Boots.htm

Link didn't work, but upding for the thought.

652 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:18:55am

re: #582 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol "idyllic"

Embarrassing. Oops.

Now you know me to be an inferior speller. Please don't lord it over me.

/

653 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:18:59am

re: #641 Alouette

These are the shoes I wear to work every day.

They told me I had to wear "professional" footwear that was approved by the dress code.

I'll take comfort over fashion any day. I do most of my work form home, so I'm barefooted unless it's cold. I have comfy, flat, rubber-soled leather mules for everyday stuff, and simple black flats for business.

A heel as low as 1.5 inches can cause me to trip & twist my ankle (because I'm usually daydreaming when I walk, and the sidewalks here are treacherous), so I avoid heels like the plague.

654 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:20:13am

re: #641 Alouette

These are the shoes I wear to work every day.

They told me I had to wear "professional" footwear that was approved by the dress code.

What does that even mean? No ratty sneakers?

655 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:20:30am

re: #648 makeitstop

GMTA! :)

Hoping your Monday is a good one so far, CL.

Hope yours is too. I'm having a hard time getting going today. Myabe I need another pot of coffee... ;)

656 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:20:58am

re: #641 Alouette

These are the shoes I wear to work every day.

They told me I had to wear "professional" footwear that was approved by the dress code.

Heh. Rockport has (used to have) a great reputation among cops and mailmen--people who know about shoes.

657 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:22:10am

re: #569 Sergey Romanov

Sure, that's why there's democracy.

How does that help the North Korean?

I'm not just talking about in Democratic countries. I'm talking about the whole big rock.

658 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:23:35am

re: #582 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol "idyllic".

Oh, and by the way. That should be a word that means what I meant.
/

659 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:23:36am

re: #653 CuriousLurker

I'll take comfort over fashion any day. I do most of my work form home, so I'm barefooted unless it's cold. I have comfy, flat, rubber-soled leather mules for everyday stuff, and simple black flats for business.

A heel as low as 1.5 inches can cause me to trip & twist my ankle (because I'm usually daydreaming when I walk, and the sidewalks here are treacherous), so I avoid heels like the plague.

I'll admit to sometimes going with heels when I want to look dressed up (I'm a terrible feminist, clearly), but yeah, I normally avoid any amount of heel because I like stability and for the above mentioned height reasons.

660 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:23:46am

re: #363 boxhead

I just had a slightly sleep deprived epiphany. I always wondered why as I watched the Righties froth over the latest fake outrage, something felt familiar about their approach. Now I know why... In collage I had a Chen teacher who would grade the outcome of our labs based on how close we got to the exact solution or number we were looking for. Sounds good so far. But if you knew the primitive methods we had to employ to find such things as the Avogadro constant, you would understand why we, "penciled in" the lab. To get a good grade, we came up with the answer we wanted first, then filled everything in between to support our conclusion. That is exactly what the Right Wing hate machine does. Find a target, make some shit up, and then make up more shit to support it.

hmm maybe that is not so worthy of the epiphany word...

There's a Jewish folktale, about a nobleman who comes to a small village, and finds that all over town, there are chalk circles on barn walls and such, with single bullet holes in them, each at dead center. He's deeply impressed with the marksman, and asks to meet him. The 'marksman' is a little boy. The nobleman asks him, 'How did you learn to shoot so accurately? You are never even slightly off center.'

The kids tells him, "It's easy. First I shoot, then I draw the target."

661 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:23:55am

I have to wear ugly "nun" shoes to work and I absolutely hate them. Ugly tie-up black orthopedic blah, blah, blah. Retail means concrete floors -- but, one must take care of the body.

The rest of the time, I wear cool stuff.

662 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:24:07am

re: #647 ggt

oooh, I really like this.

Those I like. Definitely. Except for the price tag.

663 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:25:08am

re: #659 Simply Sarah

I'll admit to sometimes going with heels when I want to look dressed up (I'm a terrible feminist, clearly), but yeah, I normally avoid any amount of heel because I like stability and for the above mentioned height reasons.

You can find good heels -- but you have to pay.

There is a world of difference in fit and comfort. A shoe should stand on it's own and be well balanced. So many of the "affordable" heels are flimsy and give no support.

664 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:26:01am

re: #376 Alouette

And "Bloody Hands Guy"
And the "Myspace Killer"

Very few of them, in fact NONE, are the "helpless innocent women and children held in durance vile because they made faces at a mean IDF soldier"

There's an unbelievably unpleasant woman on a FB group a friend of mine posts to (was that incoherent enough), who has been ranting about how 'POW Shalit' will get to home to his family, but these poor people face exile, and it's so unfair.

665 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:26:12am

re: #663 ggt

I'm glad I'm a boy.

666 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:26:16am

re: #657 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How does that help the North Korean?

I'm not just talking about in Democratic countries. I'm talking about the whole big rock.

Oh, that's easy. "Fair" in NK is defined by the Dear Leader.

667 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:26:33am

re: #662 CuriousLurker

Those I like. Definitely. Except for the price tag.

Indeed. This is why most trips to DSW involve me crouching down at the back of the store. And maybe ending up with a few pairs more than I need...

668 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:27:01am

re: #662 CuriousLurker

Those I like. Definitely. Except for the price tag.

Well, they are a good shoe and will last and stay in style for many years. . . . They look like the kind of shoe I'd wear a lot. Slip-on, can wear with any style jeans or trousers. . . . even long skirts.

I've not seen that brand at the discount stores, since I wear a popular size, I'll either have to pay full-price or go without.

decisions, decisions.

669 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:27:57am

re: #667 Simply Sarah

Indeed. This is why most trips to DSW involve me crouching down at the back of the store. And maybe ending up with a few pairs more than I need...

LOL, I heard that.

670 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:28:22am

re: #667 Simply Sarah

Indeed. This is why most trips to DSW involve me crouching down at the back of the store. And maybe ending up with a few pairs more than I need...

I know. I tend to get one or two pair a year, now that I am old and can't torture myself with ill fitting shoes anymore. I used to walk out with 5 or 6 at a time.

I spend the same amount of money, just get less shoe.

:(

671 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:29:13am

re: #663 ggt

You can find good heels -- but you have to pay.

There is a world of difference in fit and comfort. A shoe should stand on it's own and be well balanced. So many of the "affordable" heels are flimsy and give no support.

True. I also tend to go for wider heels when I do wear them, since I'm a bit clumsy at times. Comfort is the tricky one, although I tend to avoid them if I plan on standing up too much. But for being out and about? Give me something close to a flat any day!

672 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:29:18am

re: #668 ggt

Maybe I'll see if I can find them around here on sale. I have a really high instep though, so I'd definitely have to try them on as that could be an issue.

673 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:29:28am

re: #649 Simply Sarah

It's giving me a "My shoes are made of rusted and tarnished steel" feel. Not exactly my cup of tea.

I don't know, that particular shoe looks very comfortable. I think they'd look good on and would go with anything.

They'd look more rustic, than metallic, I think. And they wouldn't show wear and tear the way basic black does.

674 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:29:57am

re: #666 Sergey Romanov

So , Sergey, what kind of shoes do you like? Heh. ;o)

675 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:32:17am

re: #671 Simply Sarah

True. I also tend to go for wider heels when I do wear them, since I'm a bit clumsy at times. Comfort is the tricky one, although I tend to avoid them if I plan on standing up too much. But for being out and about? Give me something close to a flat any day!

I don't get to wear heels that much anymore because my ankles are unstable. If I can get them in a boot, it is better. I tend to wear them more for weddings and business parties in which I have to play "arm candy" for my husband.

I have a couple of very expensive basic black heels that are my stand-by. The cheaper ones I've bought end-up in the garbage and are just a waste of money. Better to bite-the-bullet and buy one good pair I can wear for many years than to be in pain and risk my neck in cheaper ones.

676 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:32:42am

re: #670 ggt

I know. I tend to get one or two pair a year, now that I am old and can't torture myself with ill fitting shoes anymore. I used to walk out with 5 or 6 at a time.

I spend the same amount of money, just get less shoe.

:(

Oddly enough, I've probably had better luck with finding proper fitting shoes from the bargain rack at DSW than I have looking at stocked stuff there and elsewhere. It's the most bizarre thing. I always seem to fall between sizes elsewhere, but the stuff in back just seems to fit (Even if it's listed as a size higher than what I normally take. I don't try to make sense of it anymore).

677 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:32:53am

re: #674 CuriousLurker

So , Sergey, what kind of shoes do you like? Heh. ;o)

Hey, we girl Lizards are very nice when it comes to sports and gaming threads.

678 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:33:36am

re: #676 Simply Sarah

Oddly enough, I've probably had better luck with finding proper fitting shoes from the bargain rack at DSW than I have looking at stocked stuff there and elsewhere. It's the most bizarre thing. I always seem to fall between sizes elsewhere, but the stuff in back just seems to fit (Even if it's listed as a size higher than what I normally take. I don't try to make sense of it anymore).

I'm a 7 narrow. I can find basic ballet flats and moccasins at DSW, but that is about it. Sometimes, sandals.

You are lucky. I have a very petite friend that has the same luck. Not too many people wear size 5.

679 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:34:09am

re: #673 ggt

I don't know, that particular shoe looks very comfortable. I think they'd look good on and would go with anything.

They'd look more rustic, than metallic, I think. And they wouldn't show wear and tear the way basic black does.

Fair enough. I suppose I'd need to see them in person or at least on someone. I mean, it's not like I go out naked except for shoes.

680 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:34:26am

re: #677 ggt

Hey, we girl Lizards are very nice when it comes to sports and gaming threads.

I know, right? Sometimes we have to sit here through entire games.

681 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:36:39am

re: #675 ggt

I don't get to wear heels that much anymore because my ankles are unstable. If I can get them in a boot, it is better. I tend to wear them more for weddings and business parties in which I have to play "arm candy" for my husband.

I have a couple of very expensive basic black heels that are my stand-by. The cheaper ones I've bought end-up in the garbage and are just a waste of money. Better to bite-the-bullet and buy one good pair I can wear for many years than to be in pain and risk my neck in cheaper ones.

Heels in boots are easier to work with, yeah. Plus I love boots!

But yeah, I have a fairly pricey pair of black heels for those times I need to look all formal in a dress or skirt.

682 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:37:25am

Still, it could be worse. One of my best girlfriend has such bad feet she has to wear, what I call, the "fashionable" nun shoes that can old her orthodics. At about $300 a pop. She gets one pair every other year.

683 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:37:46am

re: #678 ggt

I'm a 7 narrow. I can find basic ballet flats and moccasins at DSW, but that is about it. Sometimes, sandals.

You are lucky. I have a very petite friend that has the same luck. Not too many people wear size 5.

Heh, I have big ol' sasquatch feet—size 11. Between that and my high instep, my choices are usually pretty limited.

684 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:39:07am

re: #678 ggt

I'm a 7 narrow. I can find basic ballet flats and moccasins at DSW, but that is about it. Sometimes, sandals.

The one plus side to being size 10 (Up to 11 in odd cases like above) is that what shoes are actually made in my size tend to stick around for a while for me to find.

685 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:39:19am

re: #683 CuriousLurker

Heh, I have big ol' sasquatch feet—size 11. Between that and my high instep, my choices are usually pretty limited.

Wow!

I have high arches and in-steps too, narrow heals.

Men have no such problems, they go and buy size 10 in whatever they see first and they are done.

686 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:39:21am

re: #395 Alouette

I think I'm going to do a little investigation, "Who is more Anti-Semitic, OWS or the Tea Party?" I suspect that both have a problem, just who has the bigger problem?

Can anyone suggest some places to start?

It's difficult. Do signs carried by individuals count? Do current or past affiliations of the leadership or organizers or funders count?

You'll need a good rubric, I think, before investigating.

687 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:40:08am

re: #684 Simply Sarah

The one plus side to being size 10 (Up to 11 in odd cases like above) is that what shoes are actually made in my size tend to stick around for a while for me to find.

Do you check-out the "sale" room at the upscale stores? I've found some great shoes that way.

688 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:40:21am

re: #664 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a whole lot of unpleasantness out there over the Shalit swap. How about the Israeli families whose loved ones were murdered by Palestinian terrorists who are now going to be included in the swap and released to adoring crowds in Gaza or West Bank (and the first batch will be dispatched to Gaza, the second to West Bank, and some may get tossed to 3d countries to make it more difficult to plot/carry out attacks against Israel in the future).

The Palestinians are getting the better end of the bargain no matter how you look at this. 1,027 to 1 is disproportionate. Israel has to give up 1,027 Palestinian terrorists and attackers in order to secure the release of one Israeli soldier who was captured in an attack that killed two other Israelis.

It gives new meaning to the term - leave no one behind. But it's heartbreaking nonetheless that Israel has to make this swap - and that Hamas and the PA was not held accountable.

689 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:41:28am

re: #685 ggt

Wow!

I have high arches and in-steps too, narrow heals.

Men have no such problems, they go and buy size 10 in whatever they see first and they are done.

QFT!

Okay ladies, it's back to the Monday drudgery for me. Have a great day.

690 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:41:37am

re: #399 Obdicut

It's really a crapshoot. How many 'points' do you give for having Adbusters, who pulled a few antisemitic things, as the 'organizer' of OWS? How much is the Tea Party a White Supremacist thing? It seems impossible to make a comparison to me.

I really did meet quite a number of jews while I was down there. Given that Jews tend to be liberal, especially on social issues and stuff, I'd be surprised if there was a significant Jewish component to the Tea Party. I'd more expect it to break down along the lines of the Democrats and the GOP, where the Democrats have far more Jewish elected officials and more Jewish voters.

But then, how correlative is having Jewish members to not tolerating anti-semitism? That's not a set amount.

I know Tea Party Jews. I would expect their numbers to be higher in OWS, just due to general voting patterns. However, Jewish membership says nothing, and both movements have good reason to flaunt their Jewish members.

691 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:41:37am

re: #682 ggt

Still, it could be worse. One of my best girlfriend has such bad feet she has to wear, what I call, the "fashionable" nun shoes that can old her orthodics. At about $300 a pop. She gets one pair every other year.

Ouch. I suppose she at least gets a lot of use out of them in those two years. In some ways, that's better than $150 or something for heels I'll wear a few times a year.

692 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:42:03am

re: #686 SanFranciscoZionist

It's difficult. Do signs carried by individuals count? Do current or past affiliations of the leadership or organizers or funders count?

You'll need a good rubric, I think, before investigating.

Maybe the plans they seem to wand as far as aid to foreign countries? or the whole foreign policy values?

Both seem to be more isolationist . . . .

Tea Partiers are big 2nd Amendment people and Israel is also big on the individual right to own fire-arms, so there are commonalities there.

693 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:42:57am

re: #691 Simply Sarah

Ouch. I suppose she at least gets a lot of use out of them in those two years. In some ways, that's better than $150 or something for heels I'll wear a few times a year.

Oh, she wears them for a decade. She has finally built a shoe wardrobe for summer and winter in a couple of different colors.

694 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:43:03am

re: #405 Sergey Romanov

Except for Israel, ADL takes left-wing positions on domestic issues, doesn't it? Evolution/creationism, separation of church and state, right to choose, a lot of civil rights issues. For better or for worse, these common sense positions are rare among those on the right nowadays.

You could also say that the ADL basically supports the Democratic Party's platform--which includes Israel, evolution, church and state, etc.

695 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:44:41am

re: #687 ggt

Do you check-out the "sale" room at the upscale stores? I've found some great shoes that way.

When I find my way into them, I do. I'm a bit of a bargain shopper, even if I don't entirely need to be (Hey, I like the idea of getting three full outfits for under $100! Granted, that does make it feel weird when I see a $60 top I like).

696 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:44:46am

re: #420 Sergey Romanov

Heh, Schluessel has been big on exposing alleged antisemitism at Tea Parties. As usual, she is over the top. But hold your nose and wade in.

I don't consider her a source, nose clips or no. The Rusty Sneiderman murder was the last straw for me. I couldn't take it any more.

697 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:45:09am

re: #693 ggt

Oh, she wears them for a decade.

Oh, OK. I thought you were saying she actually needed a new pair every two years.

698 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:47:06am

I have to wonder how many in the OWS and Tea Party by into the

Jews are in control of the banks

meme?

Anti-semitism seems to be a non-denominational, cross-cultural thing. I'm not sure you can say one or the other is more or less.

699 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:48:15am

re: #697 Simply Sarah

Oh, OK. I thought you were saying she actually needed a new pair every two years.

When her kid was little and money was tight, she just wore one pair Birkenstocks, winter and summer. She spent money on warm socks in the winter.

Can you Imagine?

The HORROR!

700 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:49:15am

re: #695 Simply Sarah

When I find my way into them, I do. I'm a bit of a bargain shopper, even if I don't entirely need to be (Hey, I like the idea of getting three full outfits for under $100! Granted, that does make it feel weird when I see a $60 top I like).

As I age, Jeans are getting harder to find cheap. :(

701 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:51:17am

I think all the guy lizards have gone up-thread.

I have to get some stuff accomplished away from the computer.

Have a great afternoon all!

702 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:54:47am

re: #452 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I grew up poor. The only advantage that I was handed was the fact that I am a white guy who grew up in a two parent household with strict (today would be considered abusive, but they were not) parents.

I distanced myself from the hoods; the druggies (four of my six main circle of friends are dead) did not want to live in a neighborhood like that for the rest of my life. Couldn't afford college, but, didn't have the academic skill to flourish (or survive) in a collegiate environment if I could have afforded it. Through a combination of sweat and, well, charm (willingness to give a (figurative!) blowjob to whoever could help me) I was out of my 3.30 per hour job within three years.

Frankly? I deserve to live in a nicer house and drive a nicer car than the stumbling alcoholics from the street that I grew up on and their hoodlum kids.

That's my whole beef with this thing. My goggles are clouded with reality.

I started to argue with this, and then realized that I'm not sure what 'this thing' is. Are we talking about the lists of mad goals that Occupy Whoosiwhat has been putting up?

703 Simply Sarah  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:54:59am

re: #701 ggt

I think all the guy lizards have gone up-thread.

I have to get some stuff accomplished away from the computer.

Have a great afternoon all!

Indeed. Good timing, I say, since I need to bow out for a while as well.

704 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 10:56:01am

re: #464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Of course. There will always be stories like that.

There are also so stories of people crawling out of the cesspools that they were dealt.

I see no harm in putting sturdy ladders into the cesspools. It makes it easier to get up over the edge.

705 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 11:00:32am

re: #488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We've, in the past year, hired four people who didn't show up for their first day of work because the job they wanted came through. We were grateful they didn't show up, because we would have wasted even ten minutes on them when they had their eye on the door the whole time.

Two of them tried to come back because it "didn't work out". They were surprised when we passed on their generous offer of return.

That sucks. On my end, I took a job that promised at least fifteen students and fifty hours of work from Sept. 15 to Oct. 15. I organized my calender to accomodate them, attended five hours of (paid) training that I had to bribe a friend to drive me to, and as of today have been given one student, and had one work hour so far.

So now I don't have December's rent, and am applying for everything on Craiglist in alphabetical order.

Sucky economy is sucky.

706 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 11:02:11am

re: #510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's not hard to understand, and I have a feeling you understand exactly what I meant. Purposefully obtuse is the way you work, which amazes me because you are obviously brilliant, and that's what makes it so obvious that it is on purpose.

In a nutshell? The people least able to adapt will not thrive.

Happened like that in Industrial-Revolution-swept England, but that was a hideous society, and I figure we can do better.

707 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 11:15:56am

re: #692 ggt

Maybe the plans they seem to wand as far as aid to foreign countries? or the whole foreign policy values?

Both seem to be more isolationist . . .

Tea Partiers are big 2nd Amendment people and Israel is also big on the individual right to own fire-arms, so there are commonalities there.

I don't know if Israel is 'big' on it--it's not ideological in the same way it is in the States. That comes from a European tradition that Jews weren't part of after about 1250.

Now Yemen--Yemen is big on firearms.

708 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 11:17:22am

re: #699 ggt

When her kid was little and money was tight, she just wore one pair Birkenstocks, winter and summer. She spent money on warm socks in the winter.

Can you Imagine?

The HORROR!

I wear Dansko clogs--a teacher's friend, plus my back is weird these days--and my problem is that I pronate, so they wear down funny. I could wear them for years and year, if they didn't start to tilt in about eighteen months.

709 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 17, 2011 1:59:30pm

Liberals are fascists and killed Jesus. Is that what rw critique now amounts to?


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