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No man knows till he has suffered from the night how sweet and dear to his heart and eye the morning can be.
— Bram Stoker
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:12:13pm |
Tonight's the big night, 20th-century music video fans!
Can you believe we've already covered 90 videos? Here's the recap, after which we begin posting the final 10 videos!
100 - Green Day, Basket Case
99 - DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, Parents Just Don't Understand
98 - REM, Everybody Hurts
97 - Human League, Don't You Want Me
96 - The Replacements, Bastards of Young
95 - George Michael, Faith
94 - Wyclef Jean, Gone 'Til November
93 - U2, Sunday Bloody Sunday
92 - LL Cool J, Going Back to Cali
91 - Prince and the Revolution, 1999
90 - Lenny Kravitz, Are You Gonna Go My Way
89 - They Might Be Giants, Don't Let's Start
88 - Janet Jackson, Love Will Never Do (Without You)
87 - The Prodigy, Firestarter
86 - Billy Idol, Cradle of Love
85 - Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Don't Come Around Here No More
84 - Method Man & Mary J. Blige, 84-I'll Be There For You / You're All I Need To Get By
83 - Godley & Creme, Cry
82 - Def Leppard, Pour Some Sugar on Me
81 - Twisted Sister, We're Not Gonna Take It
80 - The Cure, Close to Me
79 - Fiona Apple, Criminal
78 - Adam Ant, Goody Two Shoes
77 - Radiohead, Fake Plastic Trees
76 - Devo, Whip It
75 - Public Enemy, Fight the Power
74 - C+C Music Factory, Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now)
73 - Band Aid, Do They Know It's Christmas
72 - The Chemical Brothers, Setting Sun
71 - M. C. Hammer, U Can't Touch This
70 - New Order, True Faith
69 - Smashing Pumpkins, 1979
68 - Duran Duran, Girls on Film
67 - Don Henley, Boys of Summer
66 - The Beastie Boys, Fight For Your Right
65 - Garbage, Stupid Girl
64 - Beck, Loser
63 - Tone-Loc, Wild Thing
62 - U2, Where The Streets Have No Name
61 - Van Halen, Right Now
60 - 'til tuesday, Voices Carry
59 - En Vogue, My Lovin' (You're Never Gonna Get It)
58 - David Bowie, Ashes To Ashes
57 - Björk, It's Oh So Quiet
56 - Metallica, Enter Sandman
55 - David Lee Roth, Just A Gigolo/I Ain't Got Nobody
54 - Marilyn Manson, The Beautiful People
53 - Madness, Our House
52 - Lauryn Hill, Everything Is Everything
51 - Golden Earring, Twilight Zone
50 - Madonna, Lucky Star
49 - Paula Abdul, Straight Up
48 - Aerosmith, Janie's Got A Gun
47 - Talking Heads, Once In A Lifetime
46 - Fatboy Slim, Praise You
45 - Guns N' Roses, November Rain
44 - Janet Jackson, Rhythm Nation
43 - ZZ Top, Gimme All Your Lovin'
42 - Alanis Morisette, Ironic
41 - Bon Jovi, Wanted Dead or Alive
40 - TLC, Waterfalls
39 - Cyndi Lauper, Girls Just Want To Have Fun
38 - Metallica, One
36 - Red Hot Chili Peppers, Give It Away
35 - Michael Jackson, Billie Jean
34 - Sinead O'Connor, Nothing Compares 2 U
33 - Van Halen, Jump
32 - Dr. Dre with Snoop Doggy Dogg, Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang
31 - The Eurythmics, Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)
30 - Korn, Freak on a Leash
29 - Dire Straits, Money For Nothing
28 - Herbie Hancock, Rockit
27 - LL Cool J, Mama Said Knock You Out
26 - Guns N' Roses, Welcome To The Jungle
25 - The Cars, You Might Think
24 - Jamiroquai, Virtual Insanity
23 - The Notorious B.I.G. with Puff Daddy & Mase, Mo' Money Mo' Problems
22 - Blind Melon, No Rain
21 - INXS, Need You Tonight / Mediate
20 - Busta Rhymes, Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See
19 - Pearl Jam, Jeremy
18 - George Michael, Freedom
17 - Nine Inch Nails, Closer
16 - The Police, Every Breath You Take
15 - Missy Elliott, The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly)
14 - A-Ha, Take On Me
13 - REM, Losing My Religion
12 - Michael Jackson, Beat It
11 - Duran Duran, Hungry Like The Wolf
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:12:52pm |
Nothing like first thing in the morning. Ah, the sunrise.
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pat Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:14:23pm |
re: #7 Pvt Bin Jammin
LOL. It is beautiful evening after a day of dealing with cold rain squalls in July.
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DesertSage Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:14:28pm |
You cannot build character and courage by taking away a man's initiative and independence.
~Abraham Lincoln
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:14:29pm |
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DesertSage Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:15:10pm |
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zombie Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:15:17pm |
I did a search to see which MSM outlets picked up the Holdren story, and found to my horror that Alex Jones' "Prison Plant" ran it.
Oh Lord, what have I done? I feel so dirty.
And no, I won't link to it.
On a side note: Not sure why Prison Planet, out of the hundreds of blogs which covered the story, is the only one which counts as a "news site" according to Google News. Damn, their method for deciding what counts as news is screwed up.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:15:30pm |
re: #7 Pvt Bin Jammin
Nothing like first thing in the morning. Ah, the sunrise.
nothing like what, first thing in the morning?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:15:34pm |
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:15:41pm |
re: #9 redc1c4
"We do more before 9AM than most people do all day."
US Army
I do nothing before 9:00 am that shouldn't be done by someone else.
I probably would have made a crappy soldier.
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:16:25pm |
#10 is my favorite Madonna video of all time, due largely to the mood and the sets themselves.
It's Express Yourself (The pop-up video version!):
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:17:02pm |
re: #15 redc1c4
I just like the sunrise. That is all.
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DesertSage Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:17:08pm |
"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."
~ Thomas Jefferson
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pat Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:17:49pm |
re: #14 zombie
Please. Think of the hatred about mentally retarded people that DU, Kos, And Huffinton have posted since Palin gave birth. One cannot control the use of information, although Obama feels entitled to such.
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:17:55pm |
Next up, we have the video that oringally inspired the posting of these 100 videos.
#9 is California Love, by 2Pac and Dr. Dre!
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Gus Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:18:33pm |
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:18:34pm |
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DesertSage Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:19:30pm |
I just come here to make fun of Noam.
︻┳ テ=一
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:20:21pm |
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Cygnus Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:20:48pm |
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:20:58pm |
Next up, the video that suggests human cloning is possible, but only according to a certain musician's standards.
Robert Palmer, singing Addicted to Love, comes in at #8:
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:21:23pm |
" ' (_%P%_) ' "
(I knew someone would want me to shake it a bit...)
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:22:04pm |
re: #24 pat
Please. Think of the hatred about mentally retarded people that DU, Kos, And Huffinton have posted since Palin gave birth. One cannot control the use of information, although Obama feels entitled to such.
"My name is 0bama, King of Kings. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
;)
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:22:39pm |
re: #33 gmsc
Next up, the video that suggests human cloning is possible, but only according to a certain musician's standards.
Robert Palmer, singing Addicted to Love, comes in at #8:
[Video]
I'm going to sign off now. I have to work tomorrow. Goodnight, lizards.
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DesertSage Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:23:13pm |
"If I leave here tomorrow
Would you still remember me?
For I must be traveling on, now,
'Cause there's too many places I've got to see"
~ Lynyrd Skynyrd
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Gus Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:23:22pm |
re: #37 Dark_Falcon
I'm going to sign off now. I have to work tomorrow. Goodnight, lizards.
Work!
Later DF.
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:23:22pm |
Wait! How did a '70s cop show get to be #7?
Oh, wait. It's not a real '70s cop show. It's Sabotage by the Beastie Boys!
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Gus Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:24:52pm |
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zombie Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:25:35pm |
re: #24 pat
Please. Think of the hatred about mentally retarded people that DU, Kos, And Huffinton have posted since Palin gave birth. One cannot control the use of information, although Obama feels entitled to such.
Another "news" site, World Net Daily, also ran a big story about the whole Holdren/Ecoscience thing, and (predictably) acted like the whole thing was their idea. Don't these people have any shame?
The only "normal" news site that so far has picked up the story is "KXMD," a radio station in North Dakota.
Interestingly Hot Air now counts as a "news site" too according to Google, so their post on my report is listed in the Google News feed.
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DesertSage Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:26:31pm |
"Sometimes you wanna get higher
Sometimes you gotta start low
Some people think they gonna die someday
I got news you never got to go old"
~ Ted Nugent
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:26:37pm |
Guns N' Roses has had 2 good entries on this list already, with November Rain and Welcome To The Jungle.
Guns N' Roses puts in their last appearance on this list at #6, with Sweet Child O' Mine...
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:26:52pm |
Nite Noam and Dark_Falcon. I was just going to put on the "shake your booty thing. Oh well, I am slow.
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IslandLibertarian Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:27:06pm |
.......when I looked out the hotel window and saw this view, I thought I was in "Blade Runner"........
/where was I?...?.......
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DesertSage Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:28:21pm |
"Her mind is Tiffany-twisted, she got the Mercedes bends
She got a lot of pretty, pretty boys she calls friends
How they dance in the courtyard, sweet summer sweat.
Some dance to remember, some dance to forget"
~ The Eagles
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Gus Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:29:08pm |
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:29:40pm |
I promise not to link FireDogLake again.
/even if provoked
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zombie Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:29:55pm |
Heh. This is funny. A search for the simple word "Holdren" on Google now has this result: look at the top entries!
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DesertSage Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:30:19pm |
"All the leaves are brown
And the sky is gray
I've been for a walk
On a winter's day
I'd be safe and warm
If I was in L.A.
California dreamin'
On such a winter's day"
~ The Mama's and Papa's
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:30:24pm |
re: #44 zombie
Another "news" site, World Net Daily, also ran a big story about the whole Holdren/Ecoscience thing, and (predictably) acted like the whole thing was their idea. Don't these people have any shame?
The only "normal" news site that so far has picked up the story is "KXMD," a radio station in North Dakota.
Interestingly Hot Air now counts as a "news site" too according to Google, so their post on my report is listed in the Google News feed.
What the hell is that all about? I keep watching your site and the "trackbacks" keep changing. If I did't say this before. Great job, Zombie.
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:30:27pm |
Is it rock? Is it rap? It's both!
It's also said to be the music video that revitalized Aerosmith's name and reputation, with a little help from Run DMC, of course.
#5 is Walk This Way:
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:33:41pm |
Apparently, LC LaWedgie couldn't wait until I got to #4.
The obviously popular Sledgehammer, by Peter Gabriel lands here!
(No uploader tag at the start of this one!)
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DesertSage Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:33:42pm |
"I'm gonna take a freight train down at the station, Lord
I don't care where it goes
Gonna climb a mountain, the highest mountain, Lord
And gonna jump off, ain’t nobody gonna know"
~ Marshall Tucker
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:33:53pm |
re: #53 zombie
Heh. This is funny. A search for the simple word "Holdren" on Google now has this result: look at the top entries!
I clicked on "show all seven" and I still don't see Zombietime!
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IslandLibertarian Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:35:21pm |
Well I came home one night
She were lyin',
With her legs around
Another mans bod
She saw me, stared laughin'
But she cried, when she saw my gun........
Blood On The Floor
Fleetwood Mac
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zombie Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:35:28pm |
Unbelievable: This newspaper is Georgia simply ran my essay as their own, without giving me credit or a byline! Just sheer plagiarisim.
Par for the course these days, I guess.
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Wendya Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:35:36pm |
re: #14 zombie
On a side note: Not sure why Prison Planet, out of the hundreds of blogs which covered the story, is the only one which counts as a "news site" according to Google News. Damn, their method for deciding what counts as news is screwed up.
Daily Kos is considered a "news site" as well.
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:36:09pm |
Sharmuta and a few others just talked about the video at #3 just the other night.
They mentioned it changed the way people think about music videos.
It's Nirvana, with Smells Like Teen Spirit!
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LC LaWedgie Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:38:29pm |
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:38:38pm |
re: #64 Sharmuta
I even guessed #2- I was only off by one.
That's true - Good guess!
#2 is . . . Vogue, by Madonna:
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:38:45pm |
re: #14 zombie
I did a search to see which MSM outlets picked up the Holdren story, and found to my horror that Alex Jones' "Prison Plant" ran it.
Oh Lord, what have I done? I feel so dirty.
And no, I won't link to it.
On a side note: Not sure why Prison Planet, out of the hundreds of blogs which covered the story, is the only one which counts as a "news site" according to Google News. Damn, their method for deciding what counts as news is screwed up.
Dude, it's because of the New World Order angle. I suspect Glenn Beck will pick up the story too. It's tailaor made for the Birch society freaks. They'll be all over it.
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Gus Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:39:29pm |
re: #65 LC LaWedgie
I knew it had to be coming. :)
---
Gus 802 - another Bakersfield memory:[Video]
Nice. Love 'em both. Was just listening to Buck Owens playing "Truck Drivin' Man."
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DesertSage Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:39:48pm |
"My maria dont you know Ive come a long, long way
I been longin to see her
When shes around she takes my blues away
Sweet maria the sunlight surely hurts my eyes
I'm a lonely dreamer on a highway in the skies"
~ Brooks and Dunn
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zombie Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:40:29pm |
re: #55 Pvt Bin Jammin
What the hell is that all about? I keep watching your site and the "trackbacks" keep changing. If I did't say this before. Great job, Zombie.
The "Trackbacks" widget on WordPress only seems to catch about 10% of the actual links. But you can see 112 links listed here. A similar search on Technorati would turn up another 100, many of which were completely different. Each search engine has totally different results. Add 'em all up, however, and it's in the multiple hundreds on sites. Plus, many sites don't link to me directly, but link to other blogs which covered the story.
By now, the whole Holdren/Ecoscience story has reached millions of people, I'm quite sure.
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:41:02pm |
re: #65 LC LaWedgie
I knew it had to be coming. :)
Speaking of videos we all knew were coming, #1 will hardly be any surprise to those who've been following this list.
It will probably always be regarded as the dear departed greatest music video ever.
#1 is no surprise. It's Thriller, by Michael Jackson:
(You'll probably want to turn off all the annotations.)
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:41:40pm |
That's it for the list of the top 100 music videos of the 20th century! Thanks for watching!
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IslandLibertarian Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:42:01pm |
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:42:59pm |
re: #70 zombie
I e-mailed it around, myself, but it really ticks me off that you are not getting the proper credit. Thanks for the links.
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:43:02pm |
re: #74 IslandLibertarian
#1 is no surprise. It's Thriller, by Michael Jackson:
I'm not thrilled...........
I always used to bust up when Michael says, "I'm not like other guys."
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AmeriDan Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:43:16pm |
re: #61 zombie
Unbelievable: This newspaper is Georgia simply ran my essay as their own, without giving me credit or a byline! Just sheer plagiarisim.
Par for the course these days, I guess.
Now you know how VH1 feels.
/gazing at gmsc
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freetoken Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:43:24pm |
Speaking of "breaking" stories from "news sites", I see Geller has a new 'nirth post up, trying to show her bit-magnifying skills.
I bet if one tried real hard, one could ride this for an entire career - books, movies, TV specials, etc.
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zombie Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:43:31pm |
re: #59 Pvt Bin Jammin
I clicked on "show all seven" and I still don't see Zombietime!
No, that's the whole point: I don't count as a "news site" according to Google. So my stuff only shows up in their news feed if some other "approved" site covers it too. But that's not what I was referring to -- the funny part is that this controversy is the #1 result for Holdren's name! If he was aware of this, steam is probably coming out of his ears. (Though, frankly, he probably isn't aware of it, as he's hoity-toity.)
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poteen Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:43:55pm |
re: #61 zombie
You're 2 links down so no one will notice. Lazy bastards.
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Macker Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:44:45pm |
re: #79 freetoken
Speaking of "breaking" stories from "news sites", I see Geller has a new 'nirth post up, trying to show her
btit-magnifying skills.I bet if one tried real hard, one could ride this for an entire career - books, movies, TV specials, etc.
There, fixed that for ya!
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Racer X Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:44:56pm |
re: #61 zombie
Unbelievable: This newspaper is Georgia simply ran my essay as their own, without giving me credit or a byline! Just sheer plagiarisim.
Par for the course these days, I guess.
Well, they did link to zombietime at the bottom of the article.
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Gus Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:46:15pm |
re: #85 Racer X
Well, they did link to zombietime at the bottom of the article.
That's actually some blog run by a Darth Dubois. I've seen that name before. They guy's nuts and an Alex Jones fan. Putting at the bottom is total BS.
/Just sayin.
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zombie Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:46:40pm |
re: #73 gmsc
That's it for the list of the top 100 music videos of the 20th century! Thanks for watching!
And thanks for entertaining us! Quite a project.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:46:55pm |
re: #80 zombie
No, that's the whole point: I don't count as a "news site" according to Google. So my stuff only shows up in their news feed if some other "approved" site covers it too. But that's not what I was referring to -- the funny part is that this controversy is the #1 result for Holdren's name! If he was aware of this, steam is probably coming out of his ears. (Though, frankly, he probably isn't aware of it, as he's hoity-toity.)
I really don't like Google. I hope that asshole becomes aware at some point.
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BatGuano Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:47:33pm |
Hi everyone. I'm hopelessly behind. No idea what's going on.
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IslandLibertarian Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:48:36pm |
re: #89 BatGuano
Hi everyone. I'm hopelessly behind. No idea what's going on.
"0" is totally fucking up the United States of America.........pass it on........I'm outta here.
PTTCP
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:48:40pm |
re: #80 zombie
Stormfront and World Nut Daily are pushing the story too. It's not surprising, I predicted this on the LGF thread earlier.
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:48:55pm |
re: #87 zombie
And thanks for entertaining us! Quite a project.
:)
You're welcome.
Thanks, of course, to Vh1/Mtv for creating the list, and YouTube, Google and all the artists for supplying the videos.
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BatGuano Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:49:50pm |
re: #90 IslandLibertarian
"0" is totally fucking up the United States of America.........pass it on........I'm outta here.
PTTCP
Well, yeah. That's a given
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zombie Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:50:06pm |
re: #85 Racer X
Well, they did link to zombietime at the bottom of the article.
Yeah, I just noticed that -- but they still don't say who the article is by, and don't giver me credit or a byline. Most readers will not ever click that link. (Or even notice that's it's a link, since it's not underlined.) So most will assume it was an article by the newspaper.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:50:15pm |
re: #79 freetoken
Speaking of "breaking" stories from "news sites", I see Geller has a new 'nirth post up, trying to show her bit-magnifying skills.
I bet if one tried real hard, one could ride this for an entire career - books, movies, TV specials, etc.
Heh. I thought Crazy Pam Gave up on the Nirth Cert crap.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:50:23pm |
re: #73 gmsc
That's it for the list of the top 100 music videos of the 20th century! Thanks for watching!
I didn't do my dancing exercise tonight. My bad.
G'nite Vegas and take care all of you lizards. I am out.
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Racer X Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:51:29pm |
re: #94 zombie
Yeah, I just noticed that -- but they still don't say who the article is by, and don't giver me credit or a byline. Most readers will not ever click that link. (Or even notice that's it's a link, since it's not underlined.) So most will assume it was an article by the newspaper.
Blatant prejudice against the un-dead!
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BatGuano Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:51:55pm |
re: #73 gmsc
That's it for the list of the top 100 music videos of the 20th century! Thanks for watching!
Where did "Losing my religion" wind up?
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freetoken Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:52:29pm |
re: #95 Killgore Trout
Now she is pushing the idea the President is successfully scrubbing the internet of any evidence, etc.
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:53:42pm |
re: #87 zombie
And thanks for entertaining us! Quite a project.
Thanks to you for the Holdren story. The story itself, and the spreading thereof are both very interesting stories.
re: #78 AmeriDan
Now you know how VH1 feels.
/gazing at gmsc
Try looking back over the past 10 days where I've posted the videos. I've never represented them as anything other than VH1's list from 1999 of the best music videos ever, except to redub them as the best 20th-century music videos (or to drive redc1c4 crazy).
Suggestion to AmeriDan: Try actually looking into a situation before you make an accusation. That way, you don't wind up looking stupid.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:53:50pm |
re: #99 freetoken
She could not possibly be dumber if she tried.
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:53:59pm |
re: #96 Pvt Bin Jammin
I didn't do my dancing exercise tonight. My bad.
G'nite Vegas and take care all of you lizards. I am out.
G'Nite, PBJ!
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zombie Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:54:06pm |
re: #91 Killgore Trout
Stormfront and World Nut Daily are pushing the story too. It's not surprising, I predicted this on the LGF thread earlier.
Now you're just depressing me!
Well, at least hundreds of "normal" blogs and sites covered it first! Can't control who links to one.
I'm still cringing about that Belgian neo-Nazi porn site that ran my whole "Breasts Not Bombs" essay and linked to me -- even after 2 years in therapy trying to forget the trauma.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:54:39pm |
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gmsc Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:55:36pm |
re: #98 BatGuano
Where did "Losing my religion" wind up?
It wound up at #13, with a shout out to you!
Here it is again, to make sure you see it:
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freetoken Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:55:46pm |
re: #101 Killgore Trout
She could not possibly be dumber if she tried.
2:1 odds that she disproves you in the future.
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zombie Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:57:07pm |
re: #79 freetoken
Speaking of "breaking" stories from "news sites", I see Geller has a new 'nirth post up, trying to show her bit-magnifying skills.
I bet if one tried real hard, one could ride this for an entire career - books, movies, TV specials, etc.
Oh, and you might be interested to hear that I have now put an update in the post itself with a link to the Vitter/Holdren hearing, and a transcription of their exchange -- for complete even-handedness.
i will expand the update once I can figure out a way to get that video clip onto YouTube. So far, the congressional "streaming video" method has prevented me from being able to download and then edit the video of the hearing.
But thanks for pointing it out. (The update is afer the first ten quotes, in the "naysayers" section about halfway down.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:57:50pm |
re: #104 Killian Bundy
Google cache, I'm safe.
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AmeriDan Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:58:23pm |
re: #5 gmsc
Tonight's the big night, 20th-century music video fans!
Can you believe we've already covered 90 videos? Here's the recap, after which we begin posting the final 10 videos!
100 - Green Day, Basket Case
99 - DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, Parents Just Don't Understand
98 - REM, Everybody Hurts
97 - Human League, Don't You Want Me
96 - The Replacements, Bastards of Young
95 - George Michael, Faith
94 - Wyclef Jean, Gone 'Til November
93 - U2, Sunday Bloody Sunday
92 - LL Cool J, Going Back to Cali
91 - Prince and the Revolution, 1999
90 - Lenny Kravitz, Are You Gonna Go My Way
89 - They Might Be Giants, Don't Let's Start
88 - Janet Jackson, Love Will Never Do (Without You)
87 - The Prodigy, Firestarter
86 - Billy Idol, Cradle of Love
85 - Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Don't Come Around Here No More
84 - Method Man & Mary J. Blige, 84-I'll Be There For You / You're All I Need To Get By
83 - Godley & Creme, Cry
82 - Def Leppard, Pour Some Sugar on Me
81 - Twisted Sister, We're Not Gonna Take It
80 - The Cure, Close to Me
79 - Fiona Apple, Criminal
78 - Adam Ant, Goody Two Shoes
77 - Radiohead, Fake Plastic Trees
76 - Devo, Whip It
75 - Public Enemy, Fight the Power
74 - C+C Music Factory, Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now)
73 - Band Aid, Do They Know It's Christmas
72 - The Chemical Brothers, Setting Sun
71 - M. C. Hammer, U Can't Touch This
70 - New Order, True Faith
69 - Smashing Pumpkins, 1979
68 - Duran Duran, Girls on Film
67 - Don Henley, Boys of Summer
66 - The Beastie Boys, Fight For Your Right
65 - Garbage, Stupid Girl
64 - Beck, Loser
63 - Tone-Loc, Wild Thing
62 - U2, Where The Streets Have No Name
61 - Van Halen, Right Now
60 - 'til tuesday, Voices Carry
59 - En Vogue, My Lovin' (You're Never Gonna Get It)
58 - David Bowie, Ashes To Ashes
57 - Björk, It's Oh So Quiet
56 - Metallica, Enter Sandman
55 - David Lee Roth, Just A Gigolo/I Ain't Got Nobody
54 - Marilyn Manson, The Beautiful People
53 - Madness, Our House
52 - Lauryn Hill, Everything Is Everything
51 - Golden Earring, Twilight Zone
50 - Madonna, Lucky Star
49 - Paula Abdul, Straight Up
48 - Aerosmith, Janie's Got A Gun
47 - Talking Heads, Once In A Lifetime
46 - Fatboy Slim, Praise You
45 - Guns N' Roses, November Rain
44 - Janet Jackson, Rhythm Nation
43 - ZZ Top, Gimme All Your Lovin'
42 - Alanis Morisette, Ironic
41 - Bon Jovi, Wanted Dead or Alive
40 - TLC, Waterfalls
39 - Cyndi Lauper, Girls Just Want To Have Fun
38 - Metallica, One
36 - Red Hot Chili Peppers, Give It Away
35 - Michael Jackson, Billie Jean
34 - Sinead O'Connor, Nothing Compares 2 U
33 - Van Halen, Jump
32 - Dr. Dre with Snoop Doggy Dogg, Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang
31 - The Eurythmics, Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)
30 - Korn, Freak on a Leash
29 - Dire Straits, Money For Nothing
28 - Herbie Hancock, Rockit
27 - LL Cool J, Mama Said Knock You Out
26 - Guns N' Roses, Welcome To The Jungle
25 - The Cars, You Might Think
24 - Jamiroquai, Virtual Insanity
23 - The Notorious B.I.G. with Puff Daddy & Mase, Mo' Money Mo' Problems
22 - Blind Melon, No Rain
21 - INXS, Need You Tonight / Mediate
20 - Busta Rhymes, Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See
19 - Pearl Jam, Jeremy
18 - George Michael, Freedom
17 - Nine Inch Nails, Closer
16 - The Police, Every Breath You Take
15 - Missy Elliott, The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly)
14 - A-Ha, Take On Me
13 - REM, Losing My Religion
12 - Michael Jackson, Beat It
11 - Duran Duran, Hungry Like The Wolf
Guess I'm too stoopid to see a citation on this or any other post you have made tonight... before I posted about it.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Jul 11, 2009 11:58:30pm |
Howdy All ... I just got home from work and read today's new columns from the great Victor Davis Hanson. here's a link:
[Link: www.victorhanson.com...]
Along with our boy Krauthammer, VDH is one of the great thinkers in our society.
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:00:00am |
Today in History, July 12th:
Highlights of this day in history: Julius Caesar born; Walter Mondale taps Geraldine Ferraro as the first woman to run on a major party ticket for the White House; Boris Yeltsin quits the Soviet Communist Party; Comedian Bill Cosby born.
Other notable July 12th events include:
1804 – Former United States Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton dies after being shot in a duel.
1812 – War of 1812: The United States invades Canada at Windsor, Ontario.
1862 – The Medal of Honor is authorized by the United States Congress.
1962 – The Rolling Stones perform their first ever concert, at the Marquee Club in London.
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BatGuano Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:00:09am |
re: #105 gmsc
Thanks, gmsc. My favorite video of all time.
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Gus Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:00:12am |
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Stuart Leviton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:00:53am |
re: #35 gmsc
"My name is 0bama, King of Kings. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
;)
I met a fellow traveler from an antic land - P.D.QShelley
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:07:28am |
re: #109 AmeriDan
Guess I'm too stoopid to see a citation on this or any other post you have made tonight... before I posted about it.
I'll be glad to help:
re: #34 gmsc
They're in the order assigned by VH1, which released them in 1999 as their choices for "The Best Music Videos Ever". Being a 10-year-old list, I figured it was fair to redub them as "The Best Music Videos of the 20th Century".
re: #68 gmsc
I don't judge - I'm cheating and using VH1's "Best Videos of All Time". Now the list I'm using was put together in 1999, so I'm calling it the Best Videos of the 20th century.
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:08:57am |
re: #114 Stuart Leviton
I met a fellow traveler from an antic land - P.D.QShelley
I was hoping somebody would get that reference.
I like your version.
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:10:24am |
re: #109 AmeriDan
I've seen gmsc credit VH1 for the list before.
Is this the end of the world or something?
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Macker Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:11:33am |
re: #103 zombie
The trauma of seeing Sherry Glaser's tits? Or the Inflated Scrotum Guy?
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:11:35am |
re: #111 gmsc
Today in History, July 12th:
[Video]
Highlights of this day in history: Julius Caesar born; Walter Mondale taps Geraldine Ferraro as the first woman to run on a major party ticket for the White House; Boris Yeltsin quits the Soviet Communist Party; Comedian Bill Cosby born.
Other notable July 12th events include:
1804 – Former United States Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton dies after being shot in a duel.
1812 – War of 1812: The United States invades Canada at Windsor, Ontario.
1862 – The Medal of Honor is authorized by the United States Congress.
1962 – The Rolling Stones perform their first ever concert, at the Marquee Club in London.
Just to be clear for those who don't get the attribution, the video is not original with me. It was created by the Associated Press, and is hosted on YouTube. The July 12th link goes to Wikipedia, and is edited by just about everybody.
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:13:34am |
re: #118 capitalist piglet
I've seen gmsc credit VH1 for the list before.
Is this the end of the world or something?
Thanks, cp.
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
(Note: REM made that video, not me. EMI American Records holds the copyrights on it, not me.)
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BatGuano Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:15:37am |
re: #109 AmeriDan
AmeriDan, I have no brief with you.gmsc has been upfront from the beginning.
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Gus Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:15:48am |
re: #121 gmsc
Thanks, cp.
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
(Note: REM made that video, not me. EMI American Records holds the copyrights on it, not me.)
Thanks GMSC.
And just in case the words I'm using were invented by others than me. There are no copyright restrictions on the words I'm using.
//
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:16:57am |
re: #121 gmsc
Thanks, cp.
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
(Note: REM made that video, not me. EMI American Records holds the copyrights on it, not me.)
ROTFL
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AmeriDan Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:17:29am |
re: #115 gmsc
I'll be glad to help:
That's no help. You have cut and pasted replies to others... after they asked if you had done this. These examples aren't even from this thread!
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AmeriDan Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:18:18am |
re: #118 capitalist piglet
I've seen gmsc credit VH1 for the list before.
Is this the end of the world or something?
No it's not. I'll shut up now.
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Dianna Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:19:46am |
No man knows till he has suffered from the night how sweet and dear to his heart and eye the morning can be.
Ok. I'm good with that.
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:20:43am |
re: #125 AmeriDan
That's no help. You have cut and pasted replies to others... after they asked if you had done this. These examples aren't even from this thread!
No, they're from previous nights, as I've been posting these videos over the past 10 nights, at the rate of 10 per night.
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:22:20am |
re: #125 AmeriDan
That's no help. You have cut and pasted replies to others... after they asked if you had done this. These examples aren't even from this thread!
LOL! Calm down!
© 2009, capitalist piglet
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Dianna Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:22:44am |
I don't care who posts videos - it's cool with me.
Granted, that's got a lot to do with the fact that I'm seriously drunk, tonight, but, hey!
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Gus Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:23:10am |
re: #121 gmsc
Thanks, cp.
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
(Note: REM© made that video, not me. EMI American Records© holds the copyrights on it, not me.)
Speaking of EMI©
//By the world famous Sex Pistols©
©
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:24:20am |
re: #130 Dianna
I don't care who posts videos - it's cool with me.
Granted, that's got a lot to do with the fact that I'm seriously drunk, tonight, but, hey!
I hope you're celebrating something.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:26:09am |
re: #130 Dianna
I don't care who posts videos - it's cool with me.
Granted, that's got a lot to do with the fact that I'm seriously drunk, tonight, but, hey!
welcome to my world....... %-)
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Dianna Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:27:21am |
re: #133 redc1c4
welcome to my world....... %-)
Be that as it may, you neither have read my book, nor told me where you passed it on?
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Gus Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:27:45am |
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AmeriDan Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:27:59am |
re: #128 gmsc
No, they're from previous nights, as I've been posting these videos over the past 10 nights, at the rate of 10 per night.
I know, I lurk here most nights. I can't recall one instance that you gave attrition to VH1 before someone questioned how "you" came up with the ratings. I could be wrong and I'm not going though all of the threads to check... so can we just pop open a couple of cold ones and forget I ever brought it up?
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Dianna Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:28:41am |
re: #132 gmsc
I hope you're celebrating something.
No.
I'm in hell. Which has nothing to do with anything but my personal (idiotic) issues.
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freetoken Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:28:58am |
re: #107 zombie
Somebody else tried to download the video the day of the hearing:
[Link: 74.125.95.132...]
Maybe you could contact them and see how successful they were in the end.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:29:37am |
re: #125 AmeriDan
That's no help. You have cut and pasted replies to others... after they asked if you had done this. These examples aren't even from this thread!
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Gus Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:30:38am |
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BatGuano Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:31:34am |
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AmeriDan Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:32:34am |
re: #140 Sharmuta
Hmm- these Coconut M&M's are not bad.
And how 'bout that weather we've been having lately?
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:32:35am |
re: #134 Dianna
Be that as it may, you neither have read my book, nor told me where you passed it on?
downloaded it to HRH's laptop, because my PC was acting up, and then she repo'd it, and (i believe) deleted the file..... it wouldn;t have been her cuppa anyway.
since mine is back up and running, i should go find it, and give it a go, but school starts monday, so who knows when that will happen. never did forward it, for the reasons above. if i do, it will be as requested, no further dissemination.
/excuse de jour............. sorry.
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zombie Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:34:35am |
re: #119 Macker
The trauma of seeing Sherry Glaser's tits? Or the Inflated Scrotum Guy?
The trauma of looking at the other stuff on that Belgian Nazi porn site.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:34:57am |
re: #143 AmeriDan
And how 'bout that weather we've been having lately?
Why- we haven't had a summer like this 'round these part since 1962! Or something.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:35:02am |
re: #137 Dianna
No.
I'm in hell. Which has nothing to do with anything but my personal (idiotic) issues.
i'd offer a { , but it may be contra indicated.........
'nother drink instead? %-)
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:35:39am |
re: #143 AmeriDan
And how 'bout that weather we've been having lately?
i don't remember it ever being this hot around these parts before......
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:35:50am |
MSNBC Anchor writes a piece on how Obama could lose in 2012:
Two thoughts here:
1. The shit in this column is so obvious that a high school kid with an above average IQ could have written it.
2. How long before this dude is reprimanded or fired by NBC for even thinking (let along writing) that the POTUS is less than invulnerable?
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Dianna Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:36:07am |
re: #144 redc1c4
downloaded it to HRH's laptop, because my PC was acting up, and then she repo'd it, and (i believe) deleted the file..... it wouldn;t have been her cuppa anyway.
since mine is back up and running, i should go find it, and give it a go, but school starts monday, so who knows when that will happen. never did forward it, for the reasons above. if i do, it will be as requested, no further dissemination.
/excuse de jour............. sorry.
Um...who's HRH?
Everything else...is a fine excuse.
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BatGuano Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:36:52am |
re: #120 gmsc
Just to be clear for those who don't get the attribution, the video is not original with me. It was created by the Associated Press, and is hosted on YouTube. The July 12th link goes to Wikipedia, and is edited by just about everybody.
You didn't invent July 12th? :)
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AmeriDan Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:37:05am |
re: #139 redc1c4
Howdy red.
I've been called worse. I can't youtude on this computer, so I'm not getting the reference to the (?) Paul Simon song.
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Dianna Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:37:17am |
re: #147 redc1c4
i'd offer a { , but it may be contra indicated.........
'nother drink instead? %-)
Too many drinks.
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NY Nana Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:37:22am |
G'nite, Lizards! I am just about falling asleep on my keyboard, and hate what it does to my forehead! ;)
Sweet dreams!
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:39:10am |
re: #151 BatGuano
You didn't invent July 12th? :)
Actually, I did develop it independently. However, when I found out what people had been doing between July 11th and July 13th for years, I felt really silly.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:40:03am |
re: #154 NY Nana
G'Night Nana ...
I'm out too ... gotta wake up in 5 hours and go back to work!
G'Night all ...
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:40:04am |
re: #154 NY Nana
G'nite, Lizards! I am just about falling asleep on my keyboard, and hate what it does to my forehead! ;)
Sweet dreams!
G'nite, NY Nana.
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AmeriDan Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:40:15am |
re: #146 Sharmuta
Why- we haven't had a summer like this 'round these part since 1962! Or something.
Laws yes, and your M&M rain has done rinsed me out of a heap o' trouble.
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Gus Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:40:48am |
re: #155 gmsc
Actually, I did develop it independently. However, when I found out what people had been doing between July 11th and July 13th for years, I felt really silly.
Hey, don't forget. Today's also 7/12/09 day. Or, 7 X 1 + 2 = 9!
Beware!
///Number 9
/
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:41:26am |
One more thing before I leave .... Gilad Shalit was taken hostage by hamas exactly 3 years ago today on 7/12/06. Pray for this young man and his family.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:42:07am |
re: #150 Dianna
Um...who's HRH?
Everything else...is a fine excuse.
Her Royal Highness..... Household Six, She who must be obeyed, etc.....
(and that was supposed to be {_, not {.............
not that it matters any.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:43:11am |
re: #5 gmsc
im drunk, i couldn't miss the last ten of the videos, though
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:43:33am |
re: #153 Dianna
Too many drinks.
impossible.... there's no such thing.
you may have to space them out over a few days, but still. %-)
the part i did get a chance to read was very well written, if that helps any.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:44:15am |
re: #163 mrshankly01
im drunk, i couldn't miss the last ten of the videos, though
someone call the O club and see how much damage he caused.......
/damn LT's.
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BatGuano Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:45:28am |
re: #155 gmsc
Actually, I did develop it independently. However, when I found out what people had been doing between July 11th and July 13th for years, I felt really silly.
My sides hurt!
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:45:37am |
re: #160 Gus 802
Hey, don't forget. Today's also 7/12/09 day. Or, 7 X 1 + 2 = 9!
Beware!
///Number 9
/
Naughty Number Nine (Schoolhouse Rock):
Nine, Nine, Nine (Square One TV):
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:45:44am |
re: #165 redc1c4
hahaha, well, i am almost a Major, just came out on the list, but I know NCOs like to think of us all as little 2LTs :)
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:47:31am |
re: #168 mrshankly01
hahaha, well, i am almost a Major, just came out on the list, but I know NCOs like to think of us all as little 2LTs :)
dancing rodents to you, but as a career E-4, you don't want to know what i thought..... %-)
/never did get a hard stripe.
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jvic Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:48:21am |
re: #137 Dianna
I'm in hell. Which has nothing to do with anything but my personal (idiotic) issues.
Been there, done that. Still go for extended visits. Drinking doesn't help, unfortunately.
My man Fred sez:
The stars have not dealt me the worst they could do:
My pleasures are plenty, my troubles are two.
But oh, my two troubles they reave me of rest,
The brains in my head and the heart in my breast.
Oh grant me the ease that is granted so free,
The birthright of multitudes, give it to me,
That relish their victuals and rest on their bed
With flint in the bosom and guts in the head.
G'night.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:48:52am |
re: #171 mrshankly01
and an E4 (P) is an NCO to me
i was Specialist of the Army, and it doesn;t get any better than that.....
i'll have to dig up the story of the day i was driving the state AG and his aide was yammering on. it was amusing. %-)
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Gus Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:50:34am |
re: #167 gmsc
Naughty Number Nine (Schoolhouse Rock):
[Video]
Uh oh. If you take the number 999 and rotate it 180 degrees you get 666. 6 x 6 x 6 = 216. 2 + 1 + 6 = 9.
;)
/
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:51:35am |
re: #178 mrshankly01
i am sure state AGs talk a lot, especially in California.
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jvic Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:52:09am |
re: #168 mrshankly01
hahaha, well, i am almost a Major, just came out on the list, but I know NCOs like to think of us all as little 2LTs :)
as far as I know we haven't interacted, but congratulations.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:52:10am |
For Mr. Shankly01Full Bird Potty Dance
my 'career', in a nut shell.....
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zombie Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:54:39am |
re: #138 freetoken
Somebody else tried to download the video the day of the hearing:
[Link: 74.125.95.132...]
Maybe you could contact them and see how successful they were in the end.
Hmmmm, from poking around, it seems there is in fact no way to download the file -- one must "capture the video" as it is being streamed. I have neither the software nor the processing power for that. Oh well. I'll try to make a final better "update" without having a handy video to direct people to, aside from pointing them to the 120th minute of the streaming video.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:57:10am |
re: #178 mrshankly01
you must have heard a lot
no...... in the reserves, things are a bit different.
besides, in the second half of my so called career, it was amusing, at least to me, to meet up with my former peers, or even junior ranks, who now outranked me, and they couldn't understand why.... i just laughed and asked why should i even care at that point, that it was obviously all just a big game and a joke, which it really is/was.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:57:56am |
re: #183 BatGuano
Attorney General, brown?
Adjutant General: the Senior Officer responsible for all facets of the National Guard in a particular state. HMFWIIC.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:57:58am |
"The antidote to reenlistment" TM
with him singing their praises, and me wondering what unit he was talking about
"YOU SENT WHO TO PICK UP WHO?".......
wow, thanks. this is a great story. i am sorry you had to experience the ride, but I just moved out here and paso robles is awesome
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:58:48am |
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 12:58:56am |
re: #187 mrshankly01
by the way, i picked out those quotes because they are great. thanks.
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BatGuano Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:00:32am |
re: #186 redc1c4
Adjutant General: the Senior Officer responsible for all facets of the National Guard in a particular state. HMFWIIC.
Got it.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:03:48am |
re: #191 gmsc
gmsc, by the way, i really do appreciate the videos. they brought back a lot of my youth
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:07:15am |
re: #194 mrshankly01
gmsc, by the way, i really do appreciate the videos. they brought back a lot of my youth
Thanks.
:)
(Hey, just because I'm on other projects doesn't mean I can't keep peeking in here.)
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:08:18am |
re: #194 mrshankly01
of course I am only 32, so some might say I am still in my youth
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:08:48am |
re: #187 mrshankly01
"The antidote to reenlistment" TM
with him singing their praises, and me wondering what unit he was talking about
"YOU SENT WHO TO PICK UP WHO?".......
wow, thanks. this is a great story. i am sorry you had to experience the ride, but I just moved out here and paso robles is awesome
you're @ Bob?
who the hell did you piss off?
the ride was fun in it's own way, and it was better me than just about anyone else they could have sent because i didn't get excited, i just did the j*b.
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Gus Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:09:06am |
re: #188 Killian Bundy
Taken enough abuse yet?
/you really struck a nerve with this one
I see that the MSM is completely ignoring John Holdren's past writings. We know very well that had he not been Obama's choice they would have been reporting on it far and wide.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:10:33am |
re: #197 redc1c4
naw, i am in Monterey at Naval Postgraduate School. We (my lovely wife and I) drove through Paso Robles on the drive out here.
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BatGuano Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:14:38am |
Is this where Mr. Shankely comes from?
Frankly, Mr Shankly, this position I've held
it pays my way and it corrodes my soul
I want to leave you will not miss me
I want to go down in musical history
Frankly, Mr Shankly, I'm a sickening wreck
I've got the 21st century breathing down my neck
I must move fast, you understand me
I want to go down in celluloid history Mr Shankly
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:17:14am |
re: #199 mrshankly01
naw, i am in Monterey at Naval Postgraduate School. We (my lovely wife and I) drove through Paso Robles on the drive out here.
Paso is a great town.... used to be just the bowling alley and the feed sotre, but it's come up in the world since the 90's.
hot as hello in the summer though. %-)
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:18:40am |
a blast from the past:
well there i was, enjoying yet another day of constructive, challenging,
exhilarating training. you know, the sort that keeps your AWOL rate
down in the low 50%'s......
it was announced that we would be having the grand changing of the head
gear @ 1300 formation, so i bailed for lunch and got back in time to
take up an OP as the festivities unfolded.
it had been decided to combine our transformation into elite troops with
the promotion of our chaplian. in the last few months, he'd been passed
over, returned to the NCO ranks, then magically restored and promoted.
today was the pinning of the silver leaf, and off he was. family and
friends abounded, mostly from his church, choir and all.
we also had a color guard.
a navy color guard.
not just a navy color guard, but a Sea Cadet color guard from a
middle school. their advisor, chief, whatever, made me look anorexic.
hands down, he'd be King Neptune on any boat crossing the line, as long
as they could carry him.
the little dears looked no worse than any random selection of our
troops would have, and the grand ceremony progressed.
speeches were made, and the grand shift came up. however it seems
that there had been a slight commo problem as people reached into
different pockets for their hats, instead of the uniformity that
had evidently been desired.....
the wool went on, and almost immediately we went from being just
another guard unit with no mission, to a herd of "Army of One's".
there are a couple folks who have the beret shit down, a few that try,
and a fair number that look like refugees from some third world
militia.
i, for one, got a strange look from my CO when i passed him later and
gave him the clenched right fist and a "Free Huey, Sir!" from my
misspent youth in Berzerkley........ %-)
redc1c4,
i'm still waiting on a reply to my shortage annex.
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BatGuano Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:19:02am |
re: #202 mrshankly01
It has been rolling around in my brain, so I Googled it.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:20:58am |
re: #203 redc1c4
me and my wife were driving across the country from fort stewart, i was trying to do it in four days to brag to my dad. when she saw the brand new la quinta in paso, she hit the breaks and pulled in. i was 2 hours away from making it across the country in four days and rubbing it in to my dad. i had to call him and tell him it took me five and then i heard all the stories about how he made it in 4.5 days with in a 63 vette...
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:22:56am |
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:24:28am |
re: #207 mrshankly01
made me look anorexic.
i would have loved to have been your CO.
maybe not........ %-)
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:28:23am |
re: #208 redc1c4
my infantry men loved me. as it is, generally Armor COs treat Infantry soldiers better and Infantry COs treat Armor Soldiers better. Of course, I had my armor guys changing track at 0200 hours and my Infantry Soldiers in bed because they had to clear some houses the next day in Baghdad.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:29:08am |
re: #206 mrshankly01
me and my wife were driving across the country from fort stewart, i was trying to do it in four days to brag to my dad. when she saw the brand new la quinta in paso, she hit the breaks and pulled in. i was 2 hours away from making it across the country in four days and rubbing it in to my dad. i had to call him and tell him it took me five and then i heard all the stories about how he made it in 4.5 days with in a 63 vette...
you should have checked in, then rolled on out 46 to Cambria for dinner, and hit your mark AND made your 6 element happy.
(that's why i'm a SP4: i think of these things. %-)
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:32:33am |
I sent my uncle the Palin/McCain screwjob article posted on LGF earlier today, and I don't get HOW someone like him can believe what he actually responded with.....
Clearly there was infighting and as always there's two sides to the story. Here's how I see it: A hero having honorable long standing service to his country turns out to be an impulsive man who makes rash decisions. The poor judgement in choosing Palin killed any possibility of winning, though most likely he would have lost anyway. My guess is that she was blamed internally for the then impending loss -- and that bled out to the media and the public. He is to blame big time, but no messy divorce is ever one-sided.
Still I don't have any sympathy for her because she was a scary person for this country. Even in losing, McCain created a danger for our country because of the spotlight she now has and hence her ability to run for the presidency in 2012. But I don't think she's electable, so a moot point. What is the danger you might ask? You have to start with her: This woman is 100% ambition (one of the worst of emotions) and in that sense similar to Hillary whom I loathe equally. But unlike Hilary, add religion and ignorance of the world around us, you have an explosive mixture. Coming on the heals of years of Bush with untold damage to our country, having her as President would be catastrophic to the world economy, world peace and the American stature and interests globally. This is indeed the disaster that has been averted -- so far -- with Obama's election. But so much work remains to be done before we are out of the woods -- and he may not succeed.
Still the transparent WWF style maneuvering isn't over. She's running for 2012, so you'll see her again. I guarantee it. It's the A word and ambition never fails.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:32:34am |
re: #210 redc1c4
hahaha. she bought two bottles of wine and hit the pool. i had to join her.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:35:39am |
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:37:45am |
re: #213 mrshankly01
ok, i think you were saying you don't agree with im
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:40:05am |
re: #213 mrshankly01
"untold damage to our country"
what is the basis in this?
No fucking idea.
I responded with "I disagree with most of that, including the fact that she'll run in 2012."
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:40:10am |
re: #211 TheMatrix31
I sent my uncle the Palin/McCain screwjob article posted on LGF earlier today, and I don't get HOW someone like him can believe what he actually responded with.....
The article must have been written by a true east/west coast elitist moderate. The reason many people don't understand Palin's drive is that she's a lot tougher politically than most of her detractors can stand. She's not giving up. And I would be glad to vote for her.
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zombie Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:40:40am |
re: #188 Killian Bundy
Taken enough abuse yet?
/you really struck a nerve with this one
I certainly seem to -- somebody has even translated my entire essay into Russian already so they can read it in Russia!
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:41:23am |
re: #217 zombie
I certainly seem to -- somebody has even translated my entire essay into Russian already so they can read it in Russia!
And , it seems, Russia knows how to credit you.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:41:23am |
re: #215 TheMatrix31
true. i think she is done, done, done. i think that the media is being short sighted as always, and there will be a libertarian/conservative hero to carry the water in theelection.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:41:59am |
re: #212 mrshankly01
hahaha. she bought two bottles of wine and hit the pool. i had to join her.
wise man...... happy wife, happy life
drop me a line, using my nick, and adding @sbcglobal.net, if you wish.
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BatGuano Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:42:50am |
Goodnight, everyone. Sorry I can't stay for fruitcup.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:43:32am |
re: #219 mrshankly01
true. i think she is done, done, done. i think that the media is being short sighted as always, and there will be a libertarian/conservative hero to carry the water in theelection.
i think she's got something other that then traditional "plan" up her sleeve: that's one reason all the 'exspurts' hate her......
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:46:26am |
re: #224 redc1c4
i'm bailing also:
hasta, y'all...............
L8r!
G'Nite, red!
They're dropping like flies!
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:46:34am |
Later to the dudes leavin...
As for my uncle, I just don't get how someone that successful who built himself up the way he did can believe the stuff he's been saying over the last year. I just can't believe it.
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zombie Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:47:15am |
re: #218 gmsc
And , it seems, Russia knows how to credit you.
Yes -- better journalistic ethics than the American media, it seems
I even get a free language lesson out of it. Now I know how to say "American Science Czar" in Russian:
"царя науки" США
Anybody know Cyrillic better than me? A transliteration is...
Czar Nayki USA...?
Something like that.
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laZardo Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:47:19am |
So I've been aching to watch this "Inside North Korea" special they had on National Geographic but missed due to college. It's the one that's hosted by Lisa Ling, the sister of one of the journalists arrested and sentenced up there a few weeks back (and if you watch it, you get why.)
I actually found it on a Chinese(!) video sharing site and as I'm waiting for each part to load, there's actually all these ads for consumer products (drinks, cellphones, iPods, etc) on the side. It really dawns on you how isolated the Norks really are when even their neighboring "comrades" have embraced the "evils" of bourgeois living.
/also, good afternoon.
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:47:57am |
re: #219 mrshankly01
true. i think she is done, done, done. i think that the media is being short sighted as always, and there will be a libertarian/conservative hero to carry the water in theelection.
I disagree. She'll still bring in the large crowds. Her ideas ring true for many Americans. The statist/leftist politicos and the MFMSM are scared shitless of her, hence the unending vicious attacks on her even after the election. I have never seen so much fear of one person by the Dems than they have with Sarah.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:48:07am |
re: #222 redc1c4
im sorry, i meant in the election circuit for 2012. maybe 2016 she will be ripe for a run. i think a FOX TV program is very likely. I am sure the president of fox has her on speed dial.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:49:16am |
re: #231 Soona'
I disagree. She'll still bring in the large crowds. Her ideas ring true for many Americans. The statist/leftist politicos and the MFMSM are scared shitless of her, hence the unending vicious attacks on her even after the election. I have never seen so much fear of one person by the Dems than they have with Sarah.
I wonder if my Uncle knows that Obama's invoked Jesus more in his speeches than Bush has.
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laZardo Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:49:30am |
re: #215 TheMatrix31
I think the GOP is done, quite frankly. What's needed is a new liberal party not tied to the "machine" as thoroughly as the Democrats have demonstrated even in the last election period...
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:49:44am |
re: #227 TheMatrix31
im sorry matrix. my aunt's family is like that as well. so much hope. not much logic.
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:50:49am |
re: #230 laZardo
So I've been aching to watch this "Inside North Korea" special they had on National Geographic but missed due to college. It's the one that's hosted by Lisa Ling, the sister of one of the journalists arrested and sentenced up there a few weeks back (and if you watch it, you get why.)
I actually found it on a Chinese(!) video sharing site and as I'm waiting for each part to load, there's actually all these ads for consumer products (drinks, cellphones, iPods, etc) on the side. It really dawns on you how isolated the Norks really are when even their neighboring "comrades" have embraced the "evils" of bourgeois living.
/also, good afternoon.
China is a hell of a lot more capitalist friendly than the USA is right now. How sad is that.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:51:04am |
re: #231 Soona'
Soona. I corrected myself. Please read above if you get a chance.
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freetoken Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:51:31am |
re: #211 TheMatrix31
Still the transparent WWF style maneuvering isn't over.
I suspect your Uncle meant WWE. A cogent insight, I believe; there is much classic heel-face dichotomy being engineered.
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laZardo Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:52:29am |
re: #237 Soona'
It helps (for them anyway) that the people there also work for a lot less than they do in the States. Government control over industry (and allowances for foreign investors thereof) kinda flies out the window when the people work for cheap and you can get goods around for cheaper.
Wouldn't be surprised if everything we use today isn't "Made In China" in some shape or form.
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:54:40am |
re: #234 TheMatrix31
I wonder if my Uncle knows that Obama's invoked Jesus more in his speeches than Bush has.
Covering up for his Mo complex. Besides, what does it say in the Good Book that people that shout "Lord, Lord" will not all experience the kingdom.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:55:09am |
I keep seeing Billy Mays commercials.
/has the estate no shame?
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:56:09am |
re: #239 freetoken
I suspect your Uncle meant WWE. A cogent insight, I believe; there is much classic heel-face dichotomy being engineered.
He probably doesn't even know they switched to WWE in 2002. "Sounds like a WWF Event" was the title of some Palin-related article he sent me the other day.
re: #236 mrshankly01
im sorry matrix. my aunt's family is like that as well. so much hope. not much logic.
I'm sorry too, considering this guy made his fortune in business and having a business/capitalist mind and was a conservative. I don't know what the hell happened. Even the conservatives who were disenfranchised with Bush and voted for Obama would have realized their mistake now. Obviously, this is a 180 degree change in ideology on his part. Who the hell knows?
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:57:59am |
re: #243 TheMatrix31
i am in business school and everything we are learning as wrong is being demonstrated by the president
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:58:20am |
re: #238 mrshankly01
Soona. I corrected myself. Please read above if you get a chance.
I saw it after I posted my comment. I didn't have the impression that it was your opinion, but an article you were sharing.
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laZardo Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:58:21am |
re: #242 Killian Bundy
Getting on the ball was what he would have wanted us to do, even in death. ;_;
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:59:58am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:00:28am |
re: #248 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!
Howdy! Thank you!
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:00:41am |
re: #245 mrshankly01
i am in business school and everything we are learning as wrong is being demonstrated by the president
I want to go to business school too, but it's almost as if there's no reason to anymore. I want to be successful, and they seem to want to punish those who are successful.
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freetoken Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:00:48am |
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:01:00am |
re: #242 Killian Bundy
I keep seeing Billy Mays commercials.
/has the estate no shame?
Billy Mays is actually alive and living in the same town as Elvis.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:01:03am |
gmsc! :-)
How're you feeling?
laZardo! :-)
That's a good way to look at it... ;-)
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:01:12am |
re: #248 littleoldlady
LOL, thanks so much. it is that late already. you are a doll.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:01:44am |
freetoken! :-)
I hate when that happens...
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:02:05am |
re: #255 littleoldlady
gmsc! :-)
How're you feeling?
Much better! Went out to have dinner with my sister, whom I haven't seen in about 4 years (not that there was any rush to get back together, but it's nice to catch up).
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:02:33am |
re: #244 mrshankly01
no shame and no love
As a lawyer, I understand the concept of maximizing the estate value for the heirs,
/rerunning TV commercials of a dead person is creepy
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:02:41am |
re: #252 TheMatrix31
well, remember from AS. there is always somewhere to go. greed is good. someone will sell us a corner to live our lives. we just need to keep our noses to the grindstone.
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Panhandler Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:03:32am |
re: #248 littleoldlady
YAY! Fruitscup. Thanks lol. It would appear that your joint venture with the Aussie Lizards has hit a bump in the road though. Why didn't you let us know? Were you going to spend the profits on the Lotto?
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:03:35am |
re: #248 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!
Good morning.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:04:18am |
re: #261 Killian Bundy
As a lawyer, I understand the concept of maximizing the estate value for the heirs,
/rerunning TV commercials of a dead person is creepy
i cant even look at old girlfriend. i couldnt imagine my spouse...
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:04:22am |
re: #259 gmsc
WOW.
Well, I guess that's the benefit of bar mitzvahs. I see my relatives fairly often.
/...even the ones I don't speak to
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Sharmuta Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:04:37am |
re: #248 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!
Hooray for early fruitcup™!
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:05:30am |
re: #260 littleoldlady
you are a dream, a west coast dream of sugar and juice poured over delicious bits of fruity goodness...thank you for the glucose to continue.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:06:44am |
re: #248 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!
Good morning!
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Panhandler Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:07:10am |
re: #269 mrshankly01
you are a dream, a west coast dream of sugar and juice poured over delicious bits of fruity goodness...thank you for the glucose to continue.
OOOOH, you're good. I betcha lol can get you a position in her Aussie joint venture.
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:07:23am |
re: #267 littleoldlady
WOW.
Well, I guess that's the benefit of bar mitzvahs. I see my relatives fairly often.
/...even the ones I don't speak to
We've never really gotten along, or had enough in common. Growing up together, she and I were usually miles apart in the same house. Nobody who knew us then has ever been surprised to hear that we don't stay in contact.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:07:54am |
re: #261 Killian Bundy
Killian, Esquire,
There's CONTRACTS in place, and when those are broken there's LAW SUITS.
/Hellllooooo!
//tap! tap! tap!
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:09:23am |
re: #264 Panhandler
Panhandler! :-)
...Looks like we're still in business ?
/funny, I had a cat named Ulysses
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:09:31am |
re: #263 mrshankly01
and MJ
Speaking of dead personalities, I'm watching the original B/W "Twilight Zone" shows. Hard to believe so many actors got their start on that program.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:10:11am |
re: #273 littleoldlady
Killian, Esquire,
There's CONTRACTS in place, and when those are broken there's LAW SUITS.
/Hellllooooo!
//tap! tap! tap!
/have you done your estate planning?
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:10:20am |
Soona' ! :-)
Sharmuta! :-) :-) :-)
Matrix! :-)
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:10:46am |
re: #275 Soona'
i still remember watching captain kirk screaming about something on the wing...
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srb1976 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:11:04am |
Mornin' everyone! Coffee's started, it'll be done in a few
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:11:34am |
re: #278 mrshankly01
i still remember watching captain kirk screaming about something on the wing...
Ever see the other one he was in, where he and his wife are trapped in a town by a fortune-telling machine?
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:13:08am |
re: #278 mrshankly01
i still remember watching captain kirk screaming about something on the wing...
Gremlins!
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:13:09am |
re: #280 littleoldlady
That's a shame. :-/ Your only sibling?
Yep.
My family has always had 2 "sides". My sister and my dad were 1 "side" and my mom and I were the other.
My mom and I have great fun together, and have always clicked. I can put up with my sister, and haven't spoken to my dad in years, by choice.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:13:39am |
re: #276 Killian Bundy
/have you done your estate planning?
Yup!
/such as it is :-(
Just so you know (because law isn't my specialty, but advertising is) the "buy" for those TV spots are done well in advance. There are penalties for canceling in mid-buy, and the manufacturer would have a case if the commercials would be pulled as well.
/business is business...no matter how creepy
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Panhandler Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:13:56am |
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:14:44am |
re: #286 littleoldlady
i publicly apologize for questioning the mays family love...
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:15:52am |
re: #273 littleoldlady
There's CONTRACTS in place, and when those are broken there's LAW SUITS.
The guy's dead, enriching estate good, ghoulish behavior bad.
/contracts are modified every second of every day
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:16:54am |
re: #290 gmsc
wow, you have to love the intertubes (as lileks calls them)... thanks gmsc
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srb1976 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:16:55am |
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:19:13am |
re: #286 littleoldlady
Yup!
/such as it is :-(
Just so you know (because law isn't my specialty, but advertising is) the "buy" for those TV spots are done well in advance. There are penalties for canceling in mid-buy, and the manufacturer would have a case if the commercials would be pulled as well.
/business is business...no matter how creepy
I think it was some south Pacific tribe or island that believed that photographs captured the soul of the people in the picture. Sometimes when I see older movies I remember that and wonder.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:19:39am |
re: #285 gmsc
Same here. Little Brother is a clone of my father; Baby Brother is a carbon copy of mom. Even though I'm more like my father (and his side of the family) I was always The Peacemaker.
/until Baby Brother got married
//then all hell broke loose
///sorry to say we are semi-estranged :-( But 4 years! WOW, again.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:21:01am |
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:21:56am |
re: #292 gmsc
alright...then i'm not...here is a little video of the company I commanded in action in Sadr City Baghdad, building a wall across it in April/May 2008
it is my tank firing at 1:14
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:23:15am |
re: #286 littleoldlady
business is business...no matter how creepy
/the Garden Weasel, apparently they're paying atemntion, can't find a video
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gmsc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:23:56am |
re: #300 mrshankly01
alright...then i'm not...here is a little video of the company I commanded in action in Sadr City Baghdad, building a wall across it in April/May 2008
[Video]it is my tank firing at 1:14
WOW!
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:24:40am |
re: #301 Killian Bundy
Did Billy promote the Garden Weasel? I don't remember...
/we have one of those
//I bet you're not surprised... ;-)
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:25:48am |
re: #302 gmsc
by the way, i appreciate the capital letters, not common here...my guys worked hard. 20 bronze stars....15 purple hearts.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:27:45am |
re: #305 littleoldlady
Did Billy promote the Garden Weasel? I don't remember...
/we have one of those
//I bet you're not surprised... ;-)
It's still on the TV just yesterday.
/you get a free $20 drill with separate shipping and handling
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:29:56am |
re: #308 Killian Bundy
Oh, that's new then. We bought ours years ago.
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srb1976 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:32:20am |
re: #307 mrshankly01
by the way, i appreciate the capital letters, not common here...my guys worked hard. 20 bronze stars....15 purple hearts.
Many thanks, to you and your guys!
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:33:18am |
re: #309 littleoldlady
Oh, that's new then. We bought ours years ago.
Billy Mays always stood behind the junk he sold.
/if it didn't work, he wouldn't endorse it
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srb1976 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:34:00am |
Yay! Coffee's done....feeling slightly more human than zombie now = )
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:34:16am |
re: #310 srb1976
thanks SRB. my guys busted but and did great. only one seriously injured no KIA for my company.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:35:03am |
re: #308 Killian Bundy
Will they use the awesome auger to dig Billy May's cemetary plot?
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srb1976 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:35:25am |
re: #312 Killian Bundy
Billy Mays always stood behind the junk he sold.
/if it didn't work, he wouldn't endorse it
Haven't used much of anything he sold, but I am a big fan of OxyClean....works great on carpet!
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:36:18am |
re: #311 Soona'
thanks soona. the first big dirt shot in the video is the air force missing with a 500 pound bomb. they blew the plumbing out for year along route gold... the last shot is them hitting the building. they nailed 15 (at least) shia terrorists that day...
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:38:08am |
re: #314 mrshankly01
thanks SRB. my guys busted but and did great. only one seriously injured no KIA for my company.
What unit?
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:38:08am |
re: #315 Fenway_Nation
Will they use the awesome auger to dig Billy May's cemetary plot?
You're right! It's the Awesome Auger!
/my bad
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:38:14am |
re: #315 Fenway_Nation
fenway...check out #300, you would appreciate it...the company I commanded in Baghdad building a cement wall across Sadr city...
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sngnsgt Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:38:40am |
From Drudge:
Boxer faces 'challenge of a lifetime' on climate change bill
WASHINGTON — If the Senate doesn't pass a bill to cut global warming, Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer says, there will be dire results: droughts, floods, fires, loss of species, damage to agriculture, worsening air pollution and more.She says there's a huge upside, however, if the Senate does act: millions of clean-energy jobs, reduced reliance on foreign oil and less pollution for the nation's children.
This makes me sick. Just my 2¢ about about global warming, fire away if you must: "Global warming" is something thunk up by dope smoking, hippie moonbats, as an excuse to raise Americans taxes. Anyone that buys into global warming BS needs to have their heads examined. I'm so sick of hearing about it, any time anyone tries to say anything to me about it, I tell them to go blow it out their a$$ at someone else. IF (big if) global warming exists in any way, shape, or form, anything man tries to do about it isn't going to make any difference, not that it would anyway.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:38:44am |
re: #319 soxfan4life
D/4-64/4th BDE/3ID attached to 4th BDE 4ID
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:38:47am |
re: #312 Killian Bundy
It's a good product, actually.
My kid decided to follow Billy, Jr. on Twitter, and she was thrilled when he followed her back. There was major devastation here after The Death.
/Michael Jackson? Who?
The only thing worse would have been the demise of Betty White...
/I know. Weird kid. ;-)
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yochanan Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:39:01am |
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:40:05am |
re: #314 mrshankly01
thanks SRB. my guys busted but and did great. only one seriously injured no KIA for my company.
That's some good footage. Was it taken by one person or several. It looks like some of it was from inside a light vehicle and some from an elevated position. I love seeing the US military doing what they're supposed to be doing.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:41:13am |
re: #325 yochanan
well, we calculated 150 + Shia Extremist terrorists were killed while we were building the wall. of course, we only built it for 12 hours a day for 5 weeks. another company built it the other 2 horus for 5 weeks. so about 300 for five weeks...
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:41:35am |
re: #327 mrshankly01
12 hours...not 2 hours...12 hours...
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:42:13am |
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:43:29am |
re: #317 mrshankly01
thanks soona. the first big dirt shot in the video is the air force missing with a 500 pound bomb. they blew the plumbing out for year along route gold... the last shot is them hitting the building. they nailed 15 (at least) shia terrorists that day...
Good job all of you. You have no idea how much I appreciate you and everyone else in this war.
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yochanan Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:43:45am |
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:43:45am |
re: #323 mrshankly01
D/4-64/4th BDE/3ID attached to 4th BDE 4ID
Great job by everyone, although it seemed hectic when I was in, I sure do miss my days with 2-5 Cav 1st BCT 1CD.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:45:19am |
re: #324 littleoldlady
My kid decided to follow Billy, Jr. on Twitter, and she was thrilled when he followed her back. There was major devastation here after The Death.
Sigh of relief that she's turning out okay, three wire.
/your commitment is admirable, not required, children
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:45:33am |
re: #326 Soona'
several...we had tanks, bradleys and MRAPs (the new wheeled vehicles in Iraq...the slated armored images were the MRAP gunners) and some dismounted infantry. when we were mission complete we collected all of the videos. it took us some time to put the videos together (everyone was more focused on loving and drinking when they got back...no problem there)
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:46:08am |
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:47:02am |
re: #331 Soona'
thanks Soona...my Soldiers did all the work...I just wrote up the OPORDer and pulled the trigger some...Shia terrorists are pretty easy when they are hopped up on religion and virgins...
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srb1976 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:47:04am |
re: #336 littleoldlady
She got a tattoo the other day!
/two steps back... :-/
Would this be a bad time to tell you that I have 2?
What is it?
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:48:45am |
re: #332 yochanan
me too...i still fondly remember my father coming home with the green fatigues and then that green BDUs...
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:50:28am |
re: #333 soxfan4life
Great job by everyone, although it seemed hectic when I was in, I sure do miss my days with 2-5 Cav 1st BCT 1CD.
Do you know if there's still a 1/11 Cav, 1CD?
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:51:52am |
re: #337 mrshankly01
thanks Soona...my Soldiers did all the work...I just wrote up the OPORDer and pulled the trigger some...Shia terrorists are pretty easy when they are hopped up on religion and virgins...
If you are a commander than you did more than that. You let the NCO'S train and prepare your soldiers so they could do what they are doing now. As a former non-com that was my biggest problem when I left the Army, too much interference in letting me train my soldiers.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:52:57am |
re: #340 Soona'
well, 11th CAV is at FT Irwin, CA. do you mean 1st Squadron, 11th Cavalry regiment. If you do, then yes. A strong unit.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:53:04am |
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:53:47am |
re: #338 srb1976
Well...tattoos on joos...NOT a good thing!
/...aside from the fact that my mother has one, courtesy of the nazis
I haven't seen it. "Words", she said.
/"Really dumb!", I said.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:54:52am |
re: #343 Killian Bundy
I'd have to revise the will.
/such as it is :-(
//Rozanne the dog is very deserving, though.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:56:18am |
re: #341 soxfan4life
Sox,
I was a commander until December 4th 2008. I gave up command than and moved on to grad school. I won't blow my own horn. I had outstanding NCOs and Officers who I lead for 2 years. Sadr City was a mission we did not expect to receive but we performed wonderfully. We did a lot of Gunneries and a lot of firing ranges to get ready to deploy...
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:56:52am |
re: #335 mrshankly01
several...we had tanks, bradleys and MRAPs (the new wheeled vehicles in Iraq...the slated armored images were the MRAP gunners) and some dismounted infantry. when we were mission complete we collected all of the videos. it took us some time to put the videos together (everyone was more focused on loving and drinking when they got back...no problem there)
Well done. And I completely understand the last sentence of your comment.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:57:07am |
re: #322 sngnsgt
WASHINGTON — If the Senate doesn't pass a bill to cut global warming, Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer says, there will be dire results: droughts, floods, fires, loss of species, damage to agriculture, worsening air pollution and more.
She says there's a huge upside, however, if the Senate does act: millions of clean-energy jobs, reduced reliance on foreign oil and less pollution for the nation's children.
Really? How did they come up with the 'millions' figure?....
The more I think about it, the more I see cap and trade as not just a handy way of taxing the shit out of all things fossil-fuel, but as a big thumb trying to gouge out the eyes of red states like Alaska, Texas or Wyoming and shifting whatever jobs that would be created to blue states like California or New York.
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yochanan Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:59:13am |
re: #339 mrshankly01
my earliest memory was when we were stationed in schwienfurt during the hungarian revolt and the MP'S came to were we were living and told us we had 15 mins to pack one bag and get on the military bus which took us to bremerhaven. were we stayed for a month till they figured the soviets weren't going to attack then we went back to schwienfurt. I guess being a speed bump was my fathers job at the time.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:59:22am |
re: #345 littleoldlady
I'd have to revise the will.
/such as it is :-(
//Rozanne the dog is very deserving, though.
/so what was it, a tramp stamp?
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:00:05am |
re: #350 Killian Bundy
/so what was it, a tramp stamp?
What's that!
/nevermind...don't tell me...I don't want to know...
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:00:06am |
Jeez....the Strykers were before my time, let alone the MRAPs....
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:00:14am |
re: #322 sngnsgt
From Drudge:
Boxer faces 'challenge of a lifetime' on climate change billThis makes me sick. Just my 2¢ about about global warming, fire away if you must: "Global warming" is something thunk up by dope smoking, hippie moonbats, as an excuse to raise Americans taxes. Anyone that buys into global warming BS needs to have their heads examined. I'm so sick of hearing about it, any time anyone tries to say anything to me about it, I tell them to go blow it out their a$$ at someone else. IF (big if) global warming exists in any way, shape, or form, anything man tries to do about it isn't going to make any difference, not that it would anyway.
Shut the FUCK up, Barbara. I wanna BOX you up and ship you the eff out of my state.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:00:16am |
re: #348 Fenway_Nation
does no one understand that jobs are a cost and not a benefits of something...
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:01:27am |
re: #352 Fenway_Nation
Strykers have nice air conditioning...they can't stop an RPG but they sure can stop the heat...
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:01:33am |
re: #342 mrshankly01
well, 11th CAV is at FT Irwin, CA. do you mean 1st Squadron, 11th Cavalry regiment. If you do, then yes. A strong unit.
In Vietnam, I visited a good friend in the 1/11 Cav. and they were wearing the 1CD patch. Maybe they were attached at the time. Don't know.
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srb1976 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:01:37am |
re: #351 littleoldlady
What's that!
/nevermind...don't tell me...I don't want to know...
It's not as bad as it sounds...a tramp stamp is a tattoo across the small of a woman's back (usually just above the waistband of her pants)
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:01:45am |
re: #351 littleoldlady
What's that!
/nevermind...don't tell me...I don't want to know...
/it's Googleable, visible from behind
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yochanan Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:02:51am |
re: #357 srb1976
but if you can see it when she walks down the street SHE JUST MIGHT BE A TRAMP.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:03:54am |
re: #273 littleoldlady
Killian, Esquire,
There's CONTRACTS in place, and when those are broken there's LAW SUITS.
/Hellllooooo!
//tap! tap! tap!
It's probably also what Mays would have wanted. In interviews, he's extremely proud of his job as a pitchman; among his peers, he was known as the pitchman. I can't help but think he'd be happy to know that he's still pitching, even after his death.
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littleoldlady Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:04:03am |
re: #357 srb1976
Evidently it's in the middle of her back. Somewhere...
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:04:29am |
re: #346 mrshankly01
Sox,
I was a commander until December 4th 2008. I gave up command than and moved on to grad school. I won't blow my own horn. I had outstanding NCOs and Officers who I lead for 2 years. Sadr City was a mission we did not expect to receive but we performed wonderfully. We did a lot of Gunneries and a lot of firing ranges to get ready to deploy...
That was tough, but necessary. Prior to every deployment we would have FRG meetings and the commander would tell family members that he would limit field time and give people plenty of down time. Then we would go to gunnery and do all of our qualifying on ranges, and family members would be calling non-stop about why are you doing this, they're supposed to have no field time and short days. My response would be, I would rather have you mad at me for taking his time prior to deployment than have you mad at me for not training your husband for doing his job and getting him injured or killed.
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sngnsgt Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:05:00am |
re: #348 Fenway_Nation
Really? How did they come up with the 'millions' figure?....
The more I think about it, the more I see cap and trade as not just a handy way of taxing the shit out of all things fossil-fuel, but as a big thumb trying to gouge out the eyes of red states like Alaska, Texas or Wyoming and shifting whatever jobs that would be created to blue states like California or New York.
It's makes 'em feel good though doesn't it? California and New York are 2 of the highest polluting states in the country. They should start their cap and tax program in those two states and see how it works out for them.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:06:07am |
re: #356 Soona'
aaahh, my bad. you meant historically. i have to look it up...let me see...
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:06:07am |
re: #353 TheMatrix31
Shut the FUCK up, Barbara. I wanna BOX you up and ship you the eff out of my state.
How the hell does this bitch keep getting re-elected?
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:07:29am |
re: #357 srb1976
It's not as bad as it sounds...a tramp stamp is a tattoo across the small of a woman's back (usually just above the waistband of her pants)
.....or the string of her thong. ;)
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:07:31am |
re: #354 mrshankly01
The wholesale slaughter of already-existing jobs in coal, oil, natural gas, transportation, utilities, manufacturing and energy exploration (to name a few off the top of my head) is somehow supposed to be magically offest by 'jobs' quasi-subsidized alternative energy endeavors like wind, solar and ethanol?
Look at an election map from 2004 or 2008, then overlay it with with a map of where most of our domestically available coal, oil or natural gas resources are located (admitedly some of the coal-porducing states have been relialbly blue).
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:08:35am |
re: #364 sngnsgt
It's makes 'em feel good though doesn't it? California and New York are 2 of the highest polluting states in the country. They should start their cap and tax program in those two states and see how it works out for them.
/without China and India onbord it's so much economic suicide that won't make any difference whatsoever
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:08:42am |
re: #348 Fenway_Nation
Really? How did they come up with the 'millions' figure?....
The more I think about it, the more I see cap and trade as not just a handy way of taxing the shit out of all things fossil-fuel, but as a big thumb trying to gouge out the eyes of red states like Alaska, Texas or Wyoming and shifting whatever jobs that would be created to blue states like California or New York.
For all of the unions support for 0bama, if he goes ahead with Cap and Trade it will be interesting to see how they sell it to the members. One of Bush's biggest concerns with any Global Warming or pollution control treaties was the effects on American workers. He didn't want unfair restraints put on American workers, yet labor supported 0bama en masse and he is about to stuff it so far up their collective asses they might never recover.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:08:56am |
re: #355 mrshankly01
There's that Saddam-era BMP from Desert Storm that was on static display. I think that was there to make us 11Ms feel a little better about the Bradley.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:09:35am |
re: #362 soxfan4life
i agree. we gave them weekends off...i had them till 1700, though, on Friday and they were sweaty when they got home...after 14 months deployed, every one of them hugged their wives when we redeployed. 2 serious enough to evac back to the states for combat wounds, the rest were flesh wounds (god bless)
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srb1976 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:11:15am |
re: #370 soxfan4life
For all of the unions support for 0bama, if he goes ahead with Cap and Trade it will be interesting to see how they sell it to the members. One of Bush's biggest concerns with any Global Warming or pollution control treaties was the effects on American workers. He didn't want unfair restraints put on American workers, yet labor supported 0bama en masse and he is about to stuff it so far up their collective asses they might never recover.
The thing is, American manufacturing is already working under restraints that few, if any, other countries have to deal with....cap&tax is just piling more crap on.....
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:11:19am |
re: #371 Fenway_Nation
There's that Saddam-era BMP from Desert Storm that was on static display. I think that was there to make us 11Ms feel a little better about the Bradley.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:12:35am |
re: #368 Fenway_Nation
i agree that jobs are great...i just don't agree when someone uses them as a reason that something is good. jobs cost a lot of money...to create them you have to make a lot of money. now, when someone tell me they were profitable and they created a ton of jobs, than I am impressed...
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srb1976 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:14:31am |
And speaking of jobs....time for me to head for mine...
Y'all have a Great Day!
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:14:46am |
re: #371 Fenway_Nation
well, look at 1:09-1:14, that is the Bradley's chain gun kicking off on the building...I had just gotten hit with smalls arms fire and a molotov cocktail from that building...the infantry platoon sergeant responded with the 25mm fire...i finished it at 1:14 with a heat round....
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:15:25am |
re: #369 Killian Bundy
Yea....we're supposed to cut our own throats and hope the CRIB countries follow our glorious example.
and when they don't, it'll be the worst of both worlds- we still get the copious pollution from developing nations while we've just crippled ourselves economically.
Our only hope would be if the collective workforces of China, India, Russia and Brazil were laughing so hard at the 0's lame attempt to lead by crippling our own economy as an example that they all simultaneously had the hiccups....
/I think there's also provisions in there for imposing cap-and-trade style regulations on some of our trading partners, but that would simply lead to an unsustainable tit-for-tat trade war.
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:15:54am |
re: #373 srb1976
The thing is, American manufacturing is already working under restraints that few, if any, other countries have to deal with....cap&tax is just piling more crap on.....
Like I said upthread, China is more capitalist friendly than the USA is now.
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:17:38am |
re: #378 Fenway_Nation
Yea....we're supposed to cut our own throats and hope the CRIB countries follow our glorious example.
and when they don't, it'll be the worst of both worlds- we still get the copious pollution from developing nations while we've just crippled ourselves economically.
Our only hope would be if the collective workforces of China, India, Russia and Brazil were laughing so hard at the 0's lame attempt to lead by
cripplingourowneconomyasanexample that they all simultaneously had the hiccups..../I think there's also provisions in there for imposing cap-and-trade style regulations on some of our trading partners, but that would simply lead to an unsustainable tit-for-tat trade war.
The way these people in power are carrying on, I thought it was only our pollution that was causing the problem.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:21:07am |
re: #382 soxfan4life
I saw some Green Week documentary hosted by Tom Brokaw that said China was polluting so much because the standard of living was going up and more Chinese were......wait for it........wait for it.........seeking to emulate the American Consumerist lifestyle.
/Apparently those smoke and toxin-spewing Cold War-era factories that blot out the sky in many cities around China have nothing to do with it...
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:21:42am |
re: #349 yochanan
yea, that is why the M1 was so fast in reverse, so it could move from position to position to blow up as many enemy T-72s as it could. it was designed to take 3 or 4 tanks with it...
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:25:14am |
2 different headlines about the administration looking to prosecute the previous administration. Is this going to be the Democrats legacy? It might sound good to their hard left base, but the average American surely doesn't want our Presidents to face an International tribunal at the Hague do they?
[Link: www.comcast.net...]
[Link: www.comcast.net...]
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:25:25am |
re: #383 Fenway_Nation
hahaha...yea, I saw a McDonalds here with a smokestack the other day...///
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:26:24am |
Query: How many of the current MRAPs in service with the United States Armed Forces can trace their lineage back to South Africa?
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:28:43am |
re: #387 Fenway_Nation
Jesus...I think they all can...they were the first ones to use the disintegrating hull...
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yochanan Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:31:34am |
TIME for me to go have a great day my lizards.
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:31:35am |
re: #368 Fenway_Nation
The wholesale slaughter of already-existing jobs in coal, oil, natural gas, transportation, utilities, manufacturing and energy exploration (to name a few off the top of my head) is somehow supposed to be magically offest by 'jobs' quasi-subsidized alternative energy endeavors like wind, solar and ethanol?
Look at an election map from 2004 or 2008, then overlay it with with a map of where most of our domestically available coal, oil or natural gas resources are located (admitedly some of the coal-porducing states have been relialbly blue).
Wait until they start getting environmental impact reports on wind and solar. Those will cause more harm than oil or natural gas. If the country and this administration were really concerned with clean power they would be looking at nuclear energy and domestic oil production. Pushing those 2 alternatives would employ people in permanent jobs and strengthen our dollar and give us the dependence from foreign oil we keep hearing about.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:32:41am |
re: #387 Fenway_Nation
Query: How many of the current MRAPs in service with the United States Armed Forces can trace their lineage back to South Africa?
/all of them, we take troop safety where we can get it
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:35:22am |
re: #391 Killian Bundy
And the Stryker's a variant of the Swiss Piranah?
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:37:32am |
re: #395 Fenway_Nation
actually, i think it is a variant of the Volkswagen bus... ///s
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:38:11am |
re: #390 soxfan4life
Wait until they start getting environmental impact reports on wind and solar. Those will cause more harm than oil or natural gas. If the country and this administration were really concerned with clean power they would be looking at nuclear energy and domestic oil production. Pushing those 2 alternatives would employ people in permanent jobs and strengthen our dollar and give us the dependence from foreign oil we keep hearing about.
But the nation would prosper if they did that. These marxist assholes have no intention of letting the USA do well. That's becoming increasingly obvious.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:41:23am |
China has essentially no pollution controls or regulations of any kind.
Don't want to slow down growth, now, do we?
I'm not certain, but I'm fairly sure that the US has the most stringent and comprehensive pollution controls on the planet. And...nearly all of our manufacturing capacity has left.
China is angling for what little is left.
I can't blame China for this; they're doing what they need to in order to maintain their growth rate targets. For some reason, they think their economic well being is more important than...well, pretty much everything else. Including our economic well being.
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:42:07am |
re: #397 Soona'
But the nation would prosper if they did that. These marxist assholes have no intention of letting the USA do well. That's becoming increasingly obvious.
Success at any level must be punished.
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mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:42:44am |
night all. have a great Saturday. see you tomorrow fenway.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:43:24am |
re: #395 Fenway_Nation
And the Stryker's a variant of the Swiss Piranah?
/armor isn't the Srtryker's strength, swarm/communications technology is it's virtue, of course they don't deploy Strykers to Afghanistan
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:46:55am |
re: #402 mrshankly01
you too sox and soona
Thanks, and good day to all as well. Soxfan punching out for the day.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:47:25am |
re: #405 soxfan4life
Let's make it 3 games up going into the All-Star break.
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Soona' Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:48:09am |
It's getting light outside. That's my cue to hit the sack. Hopefully I'll sleep to the middle of the PM. Can't do anything outside anyway. We're expecting temps to get around 107 - 108 today.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:48:46am |
re: #390 soxfan4life
Wait until they start getting environmental impact reports on wind and solar. Those will cause more harm than oil or natural gas. If the country and this administration were really concerned with clean power they would be looking at nuclear energy and domestic oil production. Pushing those 2 alternatives would employ people in permanent jobs and strengthen our dollar and give us the dependence from foreign oil we keep hearing about.
Worse - wind and solar simply won't work. They can't provide enough energy to meet current needs, let alone future needs.
I heard an interview on the BBC last week with the guy who coined the term "global warming" many years ago. Although he's a huge global warming advocate, his reaction to the host's suggestion that a variety of alternative energy sources, patched together, could somehow take the place of conventional energy sources was a loud, disdainful guffaw. According to him, it's ludicrous to even think such a thing because the energy density is just too damn low to generate enough gigawatts without carpeting every square hectare of land in North America with solar cells and windmills, which would bring about it's own environmental catastrophe. His answer? Nukes. From coast to coast, and we ought to be building them as fast as possible.
He also pointed out that a rising standard of living requires a rising use of energy. In other words, cutting back on energy usage will inevitably reduce people's standard of living.
I bet his views get edited a lot.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:50:10am |
re: #403 Killian Bundy
/armor isn't the Srtryker's strength, swarm/communications technology is it's virtue, of course they don't deploy Strykers to Afghanistan
Upon further review, they're already there.
/not suited for the terrain
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:56:52am |
Well lizards- seems like I just got here, but I'm gonna head off....
Nightey night!
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:08:30am |
How long before the 2010 and 2012 elections will the WAPost stop giving FCBBHO (hence, the DNC candidates) free space in its editorial pages to promote his POV?
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wahabicorridor Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:10:09am |
re: #412 MandyManners
How long before the 2010 and 2012 elections will the WAPost stop giving FCBBHO (hence, the DNC candidates) free space in its editorial pages to promote his POV?
Well, they tried to charge money for it but, um, they got caught.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:14:10am |
re: #413 wahabicorridor
Well, they tried to charge money for it but, um, they got caught.
Yes, there is the whorehouse...erm...access they tried to establish but, I'm talking about FCBBHO's op-ed today. Will there be more?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:19:37am |
re: #414 MandyManners
Yes, there is the whorehouse...erm...access they tried to establish but, I'm talking about FCBBHO's op-ed today. Will there be more?
Did President Hopeandchange write it himself? I just got here so I don't know. Morning all.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:20:59am |
re: #416 Cannadian Club Akbar
Did President Hopeandchange write it himself? I just got here so I don't know. Morning all.
Fox was talking about it just a few minutes ago. I think there's also a video of it.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:23:29am |
re: #411 MandyManners
How's Bill?
Gregarious.
/he's figured out how to disengage a window screen, it's troubling
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:23:30am |
re: #417 MandyManners
Fox was talking about it just a few minutes ago. I think there's also a video of it.
Video of an Op-Ed? Is there actual print in WaPo?
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wahabicorridor Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:25:45am |
re: #414 MandyManners
Will there be more?
Of course! It's just the first installment of the FCBBHO Little Green Book.
But not to worry. There is a much more important treatise on the horizon - over 6000 pages - produced by The Millenium Project that we will all be re-educated with.
The planet's future: Climate change 'will cause civilisation to collapse'
The stakes are high, as, without sustainable growth, "billions of people will be condemned to poverty and much of civilisation will collapse".
[ ]
The report adds: "Too many greedy and deceitful decisions led to a world recession and demonstrated the international interdependence of economics and ethics."
[ ]
"The good news is that the global financial crisis and climate change planning may be helping humanity to move from its often selfish, self-centred adolescence to a more globally responsible adulthood...
[ ]
It calls on governments to work to 10-year plans to tackle growing threats to human survival, targeting particularly the US and China, which need to apply the sort of effort and resources that put men on the Moon.
[ ]
Three great transitions would help both the world economy and its natural environment – to shift as much as possible from freshwater agriculture to saltwater agriculture; produce healthier meat without the need to grow animals; and replace gasoline cars with electric cars."
Feel better now? Good.
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Ojoe Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:30:32am |
re: #408 SixDegrees
Solar energy absolutely dwarfs any amount of energy that we could ever use.
"The total flux of energy entering the Earth's atmosphere is estimated at 174 petawatts." (all the time)
Megawatt Gigawatt Terawatt Petawatt.
We merely have to make use of it.
As a society we have been lazy at doing so because fossil energy has been so cheap.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:30:55am |
produce healthier meat without the need to grow animals
Soylent Green?
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:30:56am |
The swift and aggressive action we took in those first few months has helped pull our financial system and our economy back from the brink. We took steps to restart lending to families and businesses, stabilize our major financial institutions, and help homeowners stay in their homes and pay their mortgages. We also passed the most sweeping economic recovery plan in our nation's history.
SNIP
Now is the time to build a firmer, stronger foundation for growth that not only will withstand future economic storms but that helps us thrive and compete in a global economy. To build that foundation, we must lower the health-care costs that are driving us into debt, create the jobs of the future within our borders, give our workers the skills and training they need to compete for those jobs, and make the tough choices necessary to bring down our deficit in the long run.
SNIP
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:31:54am |
re: #418 Killian Bundy
Gregarious.
/he's figured out how to disengage a window screen, it's troubling
I remember one of my cats jumping onto the screen. Poor thing got stuck on it.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:32:15am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:32:56am |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:33:54am |
That was quite an inspirational speech the POTUS gave in Ghana yesterday. It seemed to me however that he spent an awful lot of time making it clear that he and his Daddy were chock full of African blood. Then he spent a lot more time apologizing for US foreign policy and promising never to tell any sovereign nation* what to do.
*except Israel
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:34:20am |
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Ojoe Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:35:01am |
re: #428 Spare O'Lake
The SOB should be here working on our problems here.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:35:21am |
re: #428 Spare O'Lake
That was quite an inspirational speech the POTUS gave in Ghana yesterday. It seemed to me however that he spent an awful lot of time making it clear that he and his Daddy were chock full of African blood. Then he spent a lot more time apologizing for US foreign policy and promising never to tell any sovereign nation* what to do.
*except Israel
I wonder if he's still smarting from Mugabe's snub of his envoy.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:36:02am |
re: #430 Ojoe
The SOB should be here working on our problems here.
Ummmm...considering his weltanschauung, maybe it's better he stay overseas.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:36:42am |
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:38:13am |
re: #422 Ojoe
Solar energy absolutely dwarfs any amount of energy that we could ever use.
"The total flux of energy entering the Earth's atmosphere is estimated at 174 petawatts." (all the time)
Megawatt Gigawatt Terawatt Petawatt.
We merely have to make use of it.
As a society we have been lazy at doing so because fossil energy has been so cheap.
The problem isn't the amount available; it's how diffuse it is. You need a vast area of solar cells to produce a reasonable amount of electricity. Environmentalists - never slackers when it comes to objecting to anything that might work, even a little bit - are already raising objections over the ecological damage large arrays of solar panels will cause to whatever ecosystem they're placed in. The desert, in particular they say, is extremely vulnerable to such a dramatic reduction in sunlight, and whole ecosystems will be wiped out as a result.
If you want to be environmentally sound, nuclear is by far the best choice. It has the smallest footprint, whether you're talking about carbon or geographic, of any source of electricity.
Solar isn't a bad idea for special applications - remote areas far from power lines, for example - or as a supplement to existing electrical sources. But as a primary energy source, it's a non-starter.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:39:51am |
re: #434 TheMatrix31
Blame Bush, dude. Just blame Bush!
/
That just came flying off the page. Also, look at what he says is the first step to take in rebuilding the economy: socialized medicine.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:40:47am |
Even as we rescue this economy from a full-blown crisis, I have insisted that we must rebuild it better than before. For if we do not seize this moment to confront the weaknesses that have plagued our economy for decades, we will consign ourselves and our children to future crises, sluggish growth, or both.
Translation?
"I want to turn this country into a European state, because apparently, doing the things that made us the best country on the face of this fuckin' planet was not good enough. Praise be to Hopenchange."
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:41:21am |
re: #427 MandyManners
Souns like the science czar wrote it.
Well, Hopeandchange can't write. They said he wrote his inauguration speech. I watched. It sucked, regardless who wrote it. Next day I am at 7-11 buying a paper. The girl asked if I was saving it because of historical significance. I told her no. I said Barry's speech was the most uninspiring speech I had ever heard and I was going home to dissect it. (Full text was in the paper) She doesn't really like me.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:41:53am |
re: #433 MandyManners
Ummmm...considering his weltanschauung, maybe it's better he stay overseas.
Amen to that, and he can take his weltonhisschlong and shove it where diezundoanshine.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:42:05am |
Ignoring big challenges and deferring tough decisions is what Washington has done for decades
And HOW many times did you vote "Present" in Congress, asshole?
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:44:09am |
re: #432 MandyManners
I wonder if he's still smarting from Mugabe's snub of his envoy.
No coincidence that He chose Ghana for his visit, and not Rhodesia.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:44:27am |
And this week, I'll be talking about how we give our workers the skills they need to compete for these jobs of the future. In an economy where jobs requiring at least an associate's degree are projected to grow twice as fast as jobs requiring no college experience, it's never been more essential to continue education and training after high school. That's why we've set a goal of leading the world in college degrees by 2020. Part of this goal will be met by helping Americans better afford a college education. But part of it will also be strengthening our network of community colleges.We believe it's time to reform our community colleges so that they provide Americans of all ages a chance to learn the skills and knowledge necessary to compete for the jobs of the future. Our community colleges can serve as 21st-century job training centers, working with local businesses to help workers learn the skills they need to fill the jobs of the future. We can reallocate funding to help them modernize their facilities, increase the quality of online courses and ultimately meet the goal of graduating 5 million more Americans from community colleges by 2020.
Now that just suonds creepy. "Give our workers the skills they need", "21st Century Job Training Centers"?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:46:41am |
re: #442 TheMatrix31
Now that just suonds creepy. "Give our workers the skills they need", "21st Century Job Training Centers"?
You also get brown shirts, even if you don't graduate.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:47:15am |
re: #437 TheMatrix31
Translation?
"I want to turn this country into a European state, because apparently, doing the things that made us the best country on the face of this fuckin' planet was not good enough. Praise be to Hopenchange."
Don't forget that not only is our economy flawed, so is the Constitution.
I wish his mother was born in Sweden. He'd fit right in over there.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:49:42am |
re: #438 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well, Hopeandchange can't write. They said he wrote his inauguration speech. I watched. It sucked, regardless who wrote it. Next day I am at 7-11 buying a paper. The girl asked if I was saving it because of historical significance. I told her no. I said Barry's speech was the most uninspiring speech I had ever heard and I was going home to dissect it. (Full text was in the paper) She doesn't really like me.
I was specifically refering to the line about how greedy we are. That's the same theme Holdren's taken.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:50:24am |
re: #439 Spare O'Lake
Amen to that, and he can take his weltonhisschlong and shove it where diezundoanshine.
Are those real words.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:50:53am |
re: #444 MandyManners
Don't forget that not only is our economy flawed, so is the Constitution.
I wish his mother was born in Sweden. He'd fit right in over there.
Heh, my cousins from Sweden are here for the next couple of weeks!
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:52:05am |
re: #440 TheMatrix31
And HOW many times did you vote "Present" in Congress, asshole?
He'd argue that this is a systemic problem that can be solved by installing government into the financial market, auto-manufacturing and health care.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:52:45am |
re: #441 Spare O'Lake
No coincidence that He chose Ghana for his visit, and not Rhodesia.
Why not Kenya?
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:54:18am |
re: #442 TheMatrix31
Now that just suonds creepy. "Give our workers the skills they need", "21st Century Job Training Centers"?
Only in the areas into which federal money already flows, those areas that will be getting the largest slices of "stimulus" money.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:54:30am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:54:52am |
re: #447 TheMatrix31
Heh, my cousins from Sweden are here for the next couple of weeks!
Ask them to take him back. As a souvenir.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:54:57am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:56:22am |
re: #451 Spare O'Lake
.
LOL. I did not have REAL sex with those words!
Is that anything like "hall sex"?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:59:32am |
How did the Lizard Civil War end up yesterday?
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:00:04am |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:00:11am |
re: #449 MandyManners
Why not Kenya?
Kenya please stop asking me hard questions, or else I'm Ghana go ask my monkey.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:04:02am |
I have an odd question. Well, more than one question.
Remember those tablets we had when we were kids that were sticky black with a clear sheet of plastic over them on which we would write and then erase it all by lifting up and unsticking it from the backing? It looks like my mom has completely lost her voice and wants me to find her one of these. Does anyone know the name?
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:04:29am |
re: #457 Spare O'Lake
Kenya please stop asking me hard questions, or else I'm Ghana go ask my monkey.
I think that if you Congo with the flow, then everything will be easier. The chances of that though, are Somalia.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:05:08am |
re: #455 Cannadian Club Akbar
How did the Lizard Civil War end up yesterday?
More civil than it could've.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:07:46am |
re: #457 Spare O'Lake
Kenya please stop asking me hard questions, or else I'm Ghana go ask my monkey.
Oh, you're good but, the puns aren't Russian through my mind this morning.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:08:21am |
re: #459 TheMatrix31
I think that if you Congo with the flow, then everything will be easier. The chances of that though, are Somalia.
True, but I guess I'm in denial.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:10:22am |
re: #458 MandyManners
I have an odd question. Well, more than one question.
Remember those tablets we had when we were kids that were sticky black with a clear sheet of plastic over them on which we would write and then erase it all by lifting up and unsticking it from the backing? It looks like my mom has completely lost her voice and wants me to find her one of these. Does anyone know the name?
I remember what you are talking about, but not the name. I would try Kmart, wal-Mart and Toys R Us. The also have them where you use a handle to wipe out what was written.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:14:11am |
re: #463 Cannadian Club Akbar
I remember what you are talking about, but not the name. I would try Kmart, wal-Mart and Toys R Us. The also have them where you use a handle to wipe out what was written.
Are the ones with the handle filled with magnetic shavings? The Kid had one or five and the surface degraded pretty quickly. But, I will take a look at them again. THANKS!
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:14:53am |
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Throbert McGee Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:18:35am |
re: #73 gmsc
That's it for the list of the top 100 music videos of the 20th century! Thanks for watching!
Sigh... no love for Army of Lovers. But the video for "Israelism" is just balls-out brilliant, I tells ya:
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:20:17am |
Time to cut the apron strings, mum.
On the eve of the Ashes series in England, Vikki Harber also slammed Cricket Australia for flying players' girlfriends to overseas games instead of parents.
SNIP
"Up until he met Jessica we were very close . . . but he hasn't spent a night under my roof since he met Jessica," the newspaper quoted Ms Harber as saying.
SNIP
Ms Harbour said she was disappointed Cricket Australia paid for Ms Bratich to travel around the world with Johnson on tour while she was not given the same opportunity.
"For the wives and the children I think it is great that they support them and send them over there, but who are these girlfriends? They are just girlfriends," Ms Harber said.
"She [Ms Bratich] gets all these trips, she gets flown there, accommodation, food and all of that."
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:25:10am |
An embittered Vikki Harber continues her attack on the woman she believes stole her son from her in an exclusive interview with A Current Affair tonight.
"Obviously she met Mitchell at a time when he was so close to taking off and she's just rode on his coat-tails," Mrs Harber said in the interview.
"I was a single mum with Mitch and I put a lot of love into that boy because it was just him and me for a long time and it's sad to see my little boy get lost."
Mrs Harber said her relationship with the glamorous karate champion deteriorated when Johnson moved from Brisbane to Perth, Bratich's hometown.
SNIP
"She's not even a person in her own right — she's Mitchell's missus," Mrs Harber told ACA.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:25:40am |
If I become such a smother, I hope someone just shoots me.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:27:53am |
re: #470 MandyManners
If I become such a smother, I hope someone just shoots me.
You said smother. You're getting the pillow.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:32:14am |
re: #458 MandyManners
I have an odd question. Well, more than one question.
Remember those tablets we had when we were kids that were sticky black with a clear sheet of plastic over them on which we would write and then erase it all by lifting up and unsticking it from the backing? It looks like my mom has completely lost her voice and wants me to find her one of these. Does anyone know the name?
Here's some, if you don't mind a pirate theme.
"Magic Slate" seems to be the common terminology.
I used to love those things.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:33:36am |
re: #471 Cannadian Club Akbar
You said smother. You're getting the pillow.
Better that than The Kid gets choked on my apron strings.
It sounds as if Harber is mad because she didn't get to go on those trips, to be feted as the Greatest Mom Ever. She blames the team for not getting to go on those trips instead of the one who gets to choose his companion, her son. But, her son cannot be blamed because that evil bitch has has him whipped.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:34:56am |
re: #472 SixDegrees
Here's some, if you don't mind a pirate theme.
"Magic Slate" seems to be the common terminology.
I used to love those things.
That's the name! THANKS!
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Throbert McGee Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:35:20am |
re: #458 MandyManners
I have an odd question. Well, more than one question.
Remember those tablets we had when we were kids that were sticky black with a clear sheet of plastic over them on which we would write and then erase it all by lifting up and unsticking it from the backing? It looks like my mom has completely lost her voice and wants me to find her one of these. Does anyone know the name?
Amazon.com calls 'em "magic slates," and you can get a pack of 12 with pirate, dinosaur, or Easter bunny background themes for under $4.
However, it might also be worth checking a dollar store or Kmart first, because I've seen (and used) updated versions of the "magic slates" that had a day-glo, sticky plastic background instead of the waxy black surface, and these seemed to last longer than the old-school tablets.
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Throbert McGee Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:36:13am |
Dammit -- too slow on the draw this morning.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:38:12am |
Here's a photograph of that evil woman, Jessica Bratich having a wardrobe malfunction.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:38:57am |
re: #475 Throbert McGee
Amazon.com calls 'em "magic slates," and you can get a pack of 12 with pirate, dinosaur, or Easter bunny background themes for under $4.
However, it might also be worth checking a dollar store or Kmart first, because I've seen (and used) updated versions of the "magic slates" that had a day-glo, sticky plastic background instead of the waxy black surface, and these seemed to last longer than the old-school tablets.
I didn't know they'd been up-dated. THANKS!
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:40:34am |
re: #478 MandyManners
Here's a photograph of that evil woman, Jessica Bratich having a wardrobe malfunction.
What kind of man would rather travel with her than dear, old mom? He must be in her evil thrall.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:43:03am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:44:20am |
re: #480 MandyManners
What kind of man would rather travel with her than dear, old mom? He must be in her evil thrall.
Question. If Cricket is popular and women love cricket players, why bring a sandwich to a buffet?
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:46:59am |
re: #481 SixDegrees
Damn. Cling, much?
It's extremely unhealthy. Sure, he should've done more than text on Mother's Day but, can you blame him for not wanting to talk to her and listen to her nonsense? That bit about him not having spent a night under her roof since he met Jessica? Ew.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:47:39am |
re: #482 Cannadian Club Akbar
Question. If Cricket is popular and women love cricket players, why bring a sandwich to a buffet?
Mum doesn't like being a BLT.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:48:32am |
re: #483 MandyManners
It's extremely unhealthy. Sure, he should've done more than text on Mother's Day but, can you blame him for not wanting to talk to her and listen to her nonsense? That bit about him not having spent a night under her roof since he met Jessica? Ew.
That woman has Kevlar apron strings.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:54:02am |
I don't know why Harber has pissed me off this much. Well, maybe because she doesn't seem to understand that children are not extensions of us.
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Throbert McGee Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:58:15am |
re: #420 wahabicorridor
But not to worry. There is a much more important treatise on the horizon - over 6000 pages - produced by The Millenium Project that we will all be re-educated with.
"Three great transitions would help both the world economy and its natural environment – to shift as much as possible from freshwater agriculture to saltwater agriculture; produce healthier meat without the need to grow animals; and replace gasoline cars with electric cars."
Mmmokay. So we should be eating a lot more food made from seaweed, Irish moss, and other forms of ocean-harvested green algae; and also switch to some kind of meat source that doesn't come from animals. You know, I think I saw that in a movie once -- the title is right on the tip of my tongue, but it's not coming to me. I'm pretty sure Charlton Heston was in it...
| 488 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:01:57am |
My 2 younger brothers still live with my mom and step dad. My youngest brother has friends in and out all day long. She treats them, as well as friends I grew up with, just like her own. She will sometimes bitch about all the people in the house, but if there was no one here, I think she would go bat shit crazy. Being lonely is tough.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:02:51am |
re: #487 Throbert McGee
Mmmokay. So we should be eating a lot more food made from seaweed, Irish moss, and other forms of ocean-harvested green algae; and also switch to some kind of meat source that doesn't come from animals. You know, I think I saw that in a movie once -- the title is right on the tip of my tongue, but it's not coming to me. I'm pretty sure Charlton Heston was in it...
Don't sea kittehs eat seaweed and the like?
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:03:45am |
re: #488 Cannadian Club Akbar
My 2 younger brothers still live with my mom and step dad. My youngest brother has friends in and out all day long. She treats them, as well as friends I grew up with, just like her own. She will sometimes bitch about all the people in the house, but if there was no one here, I think she would go bat shit crazy. Being lonely is tough.
Would she go on an international tear, essentially calling his girlfriend a slut?
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Aye Pod Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:04:09am |
I wasn't impressed with zombies recent piece. But check this out:
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Dr Holdren also said that pressing demands on public finances had made it important to review Nasa's plans to send an American to the Moon by 2020.
"The previous administration articulated a grand vision to go to the Moon, Mars and beyond, but they never produced a budget for achieving that vision.
"We live in a resource constrained world and we have to understand what our options are now," he said.
Was there ever a time when we didn't live in a 'resource constrained world'? Will there be a time in the future when we won't? I guess that's game over for US space exploration then. Pathetic.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:05:01am |
re: #488 Cannadian Club Akbar
In response to #486. Oops.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:06:54am |
Re-reading FCBBHO's op-ed in the WaPost this morning, the last three paragraphs creep me out. In it, he talks about the need to shovel more money into the community colleges so that they can turn out workers for local economies.
That is important but, it somehow strikes me that he thinks such people are worker bees. What about people who attend community colleges as a way to prepare for universities or a way to cut the cost of a four-year degree by doing the first two years in a less-expensive setting?
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legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:09:39am |
No man knows till he has suffered from the night how sweet and dear to his heart and eye the morning can be.
It's almost morning. Two more years.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:10:15am |
re: #491 Jimmah
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Dr Holdren also said that pressing demands on public finances had made it important to review Nasa's plans to send an American to the Moon by 2020.
"The previous administration articulated a grand vision to go to the Moon, Mars and beyond, but they never produced a budget for achieving that vision.
"We live in a resource constrained world and we have to understand what our options are now," he said.
Umm, blaming Bush. Haven't seen that before.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:10:58am |
re: #487 Throbert McGee
and also switch to some kind of meat source that doesn't come from animals.
That is actually a great idea, and not really that far fetched at all.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:12:38am |
re: #491 Jimmah
I wasn't impressed with zombies recent piece. But check this out:
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Was there ever a time when we didn't live in a 'resource constrained world'? Will there be a time in the future when we won't? I guess that's game over for US space exploration then. Pathetic.
Didn't FCBBHO say during the campaign that he wanted to reduce the budget for NASA?
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:14:25am |
re: #493 MandyManners
Re-reading FCBBHO's op-ed in the WaPost this morning, the last three paragraphs creep me out. In it, he talks about the need to shovel more money into the community colleges so that they can turn out workers for local economies.
That is important but, it somehow strikes me that he thinks such people are worker bees. What about people who attend community colleges as a way to prepare for universities or a way to cut the cost of a four-year degree by doing the first two years in a less-expensive setting?
I'm one of those people who went to community college as a way to cut the cost of a four-year degree. Now I'm staring down the barrel of my senior year, in hopes that there might possibly be a job market worth a damn in the summer or fall of 2010.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:14:33am |
re: #495 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Dr Holdren also said that pressing demands on public finances had made it important to review Nasa's plans to send an American to the Moon by 2020.
"The previous administration articulated a grand vision to go to the Moon, Mars and beyond, but they never produced a budget for achieving that vision.
"We live in a resource constrained world and we have to understand what our options are now," he said.
Umm, blaming Bush. Haven't seen that before.
Just like FCBBHO's first paragraph in his op-ed in the WaPost this morning.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:14:36am |
re: #493 MandyManners
Re-reading FCBBHO's op-ed in the WaPost this morning, the last three paragraphs creep me out. In it, he talks about the need to shovel more money into the community colleges so that they can turn out workers for local economies.
That is important but, it somehow strikes me that he thinks such people are worker bees. What about people who attend community colleges as a way to prepare for universities or a way to cut the cost of a four-year degree by doing the first two years in a less-expensive setting?
You mean like I did? Or like my son's doing? Screw us; we must be rich and not thinking right for taking advantage of the worker retraining programs in order to pursue our own selfish ends. Like a bachelor's degree I can afford.
Novel thought: how about letting taxpayers hang onto their own money so they can afford to go to college or send their kids to college all by themselves? That would also increase the amount of money flowing into community colleges. It would also direct that money into programs that the students actually wanted to take.
Oh, never mind; now I see the problem with that whole idea. My bad.
/Sarcasm tag the size of 0's ego inserted here.
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Aye Pod Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:17:42am |
re: #497 MandyManners
Didn't FCBBHO say during the campaign that he wanted to reduce the budget for NASA?
I don't know, but I get the feeling this has more to do with populism than finances. A lot of people like to moan about the 'injustice of allocating funds to space research and exploration while there are problems down here on earth' etc etc- looks like their voice is being heard. Great news - for China.
| 502 |
realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:19:53am |
Good morning you all - from a warm and stick (73 degrees, going up to 92 degrees with T-Storms expected) Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?
| 503 |
Aye Pod Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:20:10am |
New motto for NASA? : "All our bases are belong to them"
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:23:36am |
Jerry Seinfeld on the line of legendary Yankees with the addition of George to the Yankee family....
Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle ... COSTANZA!
It could be tweaked, you know....
Washington, Lincoln, T-Roosevelt, Reagan.....OBAMA!
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:24:12am |
re: #498 TheMatrix31
I'm one of those people who went to community college as a way to cut the cost of a four-year degree. Now I'm staring down the barrel of my senior year, in hopes that there might possibly be a job market worth a damn in the summer or fall of 2010.
If you don't mind my asking, what is your major?
| 507 |
realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:24:24am |
re: #504 mamacares
Good morning mamacares! How are you doing today?
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:24:30am |
re: #505 TheMatrix31
Jerry Seinfeld on the line of legendary Yankees with the addition of George to the Yankee family....
Meaning......where the eff do those two names fall in relation to the chain of the amazing that came before them.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:25:15am |
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realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:27:03am |
re: #508 TheMatrix31
Well Seinfeld was a comedy show - that could be why Obama fits in so.......oh, wait that's not what you meant!
/
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:29:43am |
re: #500 SixDegrees
You mean like I did? Or like my son's doing? Screw us; we must be rich and not thinking right for taking advantage of the worker retraining programs in order to pursue our own selfish ends. Like a bachelor's degree I can afford.
Novel thought: how about letting taxpayers hang onto their own money so they can afford to go to college or send their kids to college all by themselves? That would also increase the amount of money flowing into community colleges. It would also direct that money into programs that the students actually wanted to take.
Oh, never mind; now I see the problem with that whole idea. My bad.
/Sarcasm tag the size of 0's ego inserted here.
When I dropped out of UW after I was raped, I went to a community college for two or so quarters but, since I was specifically pursuing a B.A. so I didn't pay attention to the technical/employment-oriented classes so I cannot speak about that angle.
However, I've seen plenty of ads across the Internet for technical schools saying "FCBBHO wants single moms to go back to school". They're using him as a money-making tool. Who will pay for the tuition of those students? Federal and state loans? What will be the percentage of defaults?
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:30:12am |
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LC LaWedgie Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:33:16am |
Now is the time to build a firmer, stronger foundation for growth that not only will withstand future economic storms but that helps us thrive and compete in a global economy. To build that foundation, we must lower the health-care costs that are driving us into debt, create the jobs of the future within our borders, give our workers the skills and training they need to compete for those jobs, and make the tough choices necessary to bring down our deficit in the long run.
Of course, that's it! The foundation of U.S. economic future is based on cut-rate bedpan manufacturing, Brilliant!
Yes we can!
| 514 |
TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:34:09am |
| 515 |
freetoken Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:34:55am |
The Great Conspiracy of Our Time continues to grow...
After Joe made the allegations of foul play, now comes La Toya with revenge in her heart:
I will nail Michael Jackson's killers
MICHAEL Jackson's heartbroken sister La Toya last night sensationally insisted the King of Pop was MURDERED for his £1 billion fortune.
And the former Playboy model told the News of the World: "I KNOW who did it."
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lawhawk Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:35:25am |
re: #500 SixDegrees
Or, how about stop the subsidies to universities in the form of GSLs, which have enabled universities and colleges to increase tuition far outpacing the rate of inflation for the past decade.
There's absolutely no reason that my law school's tuition has more than doubled since I graduated. You're not getting twice the education. You're just getting twice the debt as a student coming out.
NYU and other schools are costing North of $40,000 a year. For undergrad. It makes no sense, and private colleges are continuing to act as though tuition increases are a birthright, particularly since the government continues providing subsidized student loans at an ever larger clip.
Why is it going to cost $100,000 or more to go to a 4 year undergrad? It's bad enough that the markets are distorted by the government interference, but few can pay - particularly those in the low and middle income brackets, who are squeezed at both ends.
State schools are still a bargain, but not by much. Their tuitions are increasing as well, but some politicians have the idea that illegal aliens should have in-state tuition rates, which is something that lawful citizens of other states couldn't hope to obtain.
It's about priorities and not understanding basic economics (heck, it's econ 101). The government has distorted the marketplace, and academia doesn't mind since the money keeps rolling in, until it will come to a halt when the credit crunch hits the students who realize they cannot afford the insanely high tuitions and 30 year repayment of their education.
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lawhawk Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:36:59am |
re: #515 freetoken
No, the most insane conspiracy theory is that Sarah Palin killed Michael Jackson. Helpfully passed along by none other than Al "Slim Shady" Sharpton.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:37:58am |
re: #511 MandyManners
When I dropped out of UW after I was raped, I went to a community college for two or so quarters but, since I was specifically pursuing a B.A. so I didn't pay attention to the technical/employment-oriented classes so I cannot speak about that angle.
However, I've seen plenty of ads across the Internet for technical schools saying "FCBBHO wants single moms to go back to school". They're using him as a money-making tool. Who will pay for the tuition of those students? Federal and state loans? What will be the percentage of defaults?
When I went, I knew exactly what I wanted - a BS in computer science. The community college didn't offer that, but it let me punch down two full years of completely transferable credits at a fraction of the cost of the state university I wound up getting my bachelor's from. And I had no problem keeping up when I transfered - I got every bit as good an education, maybe better, as I would have gotten at the big leagues. In fact, cc instructors tend to be there for one reason and one reason only - to teach. Unlike universities, where instructors are there to do research, and often view their mandatory class load as a burden.
A full load at a community college will set you back around five hundred bucks per semester hereabouts; you can probably toss in another two or three hundred for books and supplies. If you can't scrape together eight hundred bucks to improve your life, you probably don't belong in college yet.
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realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:38:23am |
re: #513 LC LaWedgie
Good morning! Just loved this:
To build that foundation, we must lower the health-care costs that are driving us into debt, create the jobs of the future within our borders, give our workers the skills and training they need to compete for those jobs, and make the tough choices necessary to bring down our deficit in the long run.
[emphasis added realwest]
Hey, just who does he think our workers are going to be competing with "within our borders" hmmm? And of course he wants to bring down the deficit in the long run - meaning after he leaves office, cause he's having too much fun playing with what will soon be the equivalent of monopoly money.
Effin Putz. DANGEROUS Effin Putz.
| 520 |
freetoken Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:38:43am |
re: #517 lawhawk
There will be no end of claims made about TGCOOT.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:39:15am |
re: #514 TheMatrix31
Woah. WTF?
Oops. I wasn't thinking when I wrote that post. I dropped out of UW then went back after two or so quarters. I then dropped out for five years with one quarter left, worked with a few papers then returned to Seattle to finish my degree.
| 522 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:40:07am |
re: #515 freetoken
The Great Conspiracy of Our Time continues to grow...
After Joe made the allegations of foul play, now comes La Toya with revenge in her heart:
Isn't she the one who also has had multiple cosmetic procedures?
| 523 |
legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:40:34am |
re: #521 MandyManners
worked with a few papers then returned to Seattle to finish my degree
Journalism?
| 524 |
quickjustice Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:40:36am |
re: #516 lawhawk
My nephew's at NYU law. It's an excellent school, but grossly overpriced. The reason is simple: law schools are profit centers for universities. Once you have the building, a library, and a faculty, you're done. Med schools, by contrast, has to scramble to acquire expense equipment and technologies that are changing constantly.
The universities shift the profits from law schools to other, less remunerative schools.
| 525 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:41:02am |
re: #515 freetoken
The Great Conspiracy of Our Time continues to grow...
After Joe made the allegations of foul play, now comes La Toya with revenge in her heart:
She can use her psychic friends.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:41:43am |
re: #516 lawhawk
This month's Vanity Fair has an article about Harvard's sudden financial cirsis. I've yet to read it but, I don't think I'll have too much pity for the school.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:42:12am |
re: #516 lawhawk
Or, how about stop the subsidies to universities in the form of GSLs, which have enabled universities and colleges to increase tuition far outpacing the rate of inflation for the past decade.
There's absolutely no reason that my law school's tuition has more than doubled since I graduated. You're not getting twice the education. You're just getting twice the debt as a student coming out.
NYU and other schools are costing North of $40,000 a year. For undergrad. It makes no sense, and private colleges are continuing to act as though tuition increases are a birthright, particularly since the government continues providing subsidized student loans at an ever larger clip.
Why is it going to cost $100,000 or more to go to a 4 year undergrad? It's bad enough that the markets are distorted by the government interference, but few can pay - particularly those in the low and middle income brackets, who are squeezed at both ends.
State schools are still a bargain, but not by much. Their tuitions are increasing as well, but some politicians have the idea that illegal aliens should have in-state tuition rates, which is something that lawful citizens of other states couldn't hope to obtain.
It's about priorities and not understanding basic economics (heck, it's econ 101). The government has distorted the marketplace, and academia doesn't mind since the money keeps rolling in, until it will come to a halt when the credit crunch hits the students who realize they cannot afford the insanely high tuitions and 30 year repayment of their education.
Completely agree. I don't mind seeing tuition increase at the rate of inflation. But it has been increasing at double or triple that rate for decades now. It's pathetic and ridiculous.
Meanwhile, the marketplace has changed. Two decades ago, you could expect to get a reasonable paying job with a high school diploma. Today, that is all but impossible; you just can't make enough to support yourself without some form of college degree. So we're saddling students with huge debts - more than I paid for my first home, in most cases - in order to prepare them for jobs that will barely keep their heads above water financially in many cases.
The state schools are every bit as bad.
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freetoken Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:42:59am |
re: #522 MandyManners
Isn't she the one who also has had multiple cosmetic procedures?
I think so. Certainly her breasts don't seem... normal. Nor her face.
| 529 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:43:25am |
re: #517 lawhawk
No, the most insane conspiracy theory is that Sarah Palin killed Michael Jackson. Helpfully passed along by none other than Al "Slim Shady" Sharpton.
maybe she did something to Michael Jackson. Maybe there's a scandal there. Maybe she's stepping down because something's about to come out. I don't know, but I'm gonna just put it out there on your show so we'll see.
Maybe someone needs to put down the bong.
| 530 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:43:49am |
Gotta' get The Kid ready for church. bbiab
| 531 |
LC LaWedgie Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:44:19am |
re: #519 realwest
"Competition" implies the will to win, hardly a goal of the spread the wealth crowd.
| 532 |
realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:44:24am |
re: #515 freetoken
Good morning freetoken! Uh, if she actually said "And the former Playboy model told the News of the World: 'I KNOW who did it.' " methinks the FBI and the LA County DA's investigators are gonna want to talk to her - possibly at great length.
I feel sorry for MJ that he passed at such an early age, but he was surrounded not by friends but by sycompants and human remoras.
BTW - Fox News just mentioned - and had a modest tribute to - the death of Tony Snow. Hard t believe that it's already been a year now since he passed. He was, iirc, barely two years older than MJ when MJ died.
| 533 |
quickjustice Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:45:49am |
re: #526 MandyManners
We'd be better off changing tax policy to force schools and foundations to spend down their endowments within a fixed period of time-- twenty or thirty years at most. That forces them to change to meet the needs of their society, rather than acting as legacy schools propping up left-wing ideologues masquerading as professors.
| 534 |
TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:46:20am |
re: #521 MandyManners
Oops. I wasn't thinking when I wrote that post. I dropped out of UW then went back after two or so quarters. I then dropped out for five years with one quarter left, worked with a few papers then returned to Seattle to finish my degree.
Wow okay, lol. Phew.
| 535 |
freetoken Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:47:00am |
re: #532 realwest
Yes, some people go to early. Honestly, I had forgotten about Mr. Snow. Time goes by quickly, but not as fast as my memory loss :-(
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:47:43am |
I can't BELIEVE it's been a year since Tony Snow passed away! Wow....
One of the most touching things I've ever read, written by Snow himself...
| 537 |
SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:48:57am |
re: #529 MandyManners
maybe she did something to Michael Jackson. Maybe there's a scandal there. Maybe she's stepping down because something's about to come out. I don't know, but I'm gonna just put it out there on your show so we'll see.
Maybe someone needs to put down the bong.
Or at least stop drinking the water out of it.
| 538 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:49:09am |
re: #518 SixDegrees
When I went, I knew exactly what I wanted - a BS in computer science. The community college didn't offer that, but it let me punch down two full years of completely transferable credits at a fraction of the cost of the state university I wound up getting my bachelor's from. And I had no problem keeping up when I transfered - I got every bit as good an education, maybe better, as I would have gotten at the big leagues. In fact, cc instructors tend to be there for one reason and one reason only - to teach. Unlike universities, where instructors are there to do research, and often view their mandatory class load as a burden.
A full load at a community college will set you back around five hundred bucks per semester hereabouts; you can probably toss in another two or three hundred for books and supplies. If you can't scrape together eight hundred bucks to improve your life, you probably don't belong in college yet.
Did you take your humanities' classes and the like at community college?
| 539 |
quickjustice Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:50:38am |
re: #527 SixDegrees
Charles Murray's "Real Education: Four Simple Truths for Bringing America's Schools Back to Reality" addresses these issues profoundly.
Murray says that the problem is that a college education has become a proxy for the IQ tests employers formerly administered. Those tests were discredited as "racist" without any real proof of racism because too many minorities lacked the skills to pass them.
Murray argues that we need a new way of credentialing young people as qualified for employment without college, thereby sparing them the burden of outrageous levels of debt to get a decent job.
| 540 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:50:51am |
re: #523 legalpad
Journalism?
Yep. Back when a journalism degree was not easy to pursue and not filled with touchy-feely shit. Our professors hammered home the need to be objective, the need to get as many sources as possible.
| 541 |
mamacares Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:51:02am |
re: #507 realwest
Good morning. Hopeful but no progress. Thank you for asking. How are you?
| 542 |
realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:51:34am |
re: #516 lawhawk Good morning lawhawk! Thanks for that list - it was extremely interesting to say the least!
How is it that Brooklyn College, for example, costs more than Dartmouth or Cornell (as examples only) and the only time I ever heard of Bates College (the most expensive college in the Nation) was when a friend asked me what Lewiston, Maine was best known for and I replied Ali won his first Heavyweight championship there against Sonny Liston and he said no - its home to Bates College!
WTF is so hot about Bates college that makes it $14,000 a year more expensive than say Cornell!
| 543 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:51:57am |
re: #528 freetoken
I think so. Certainly her breasts don't seem... normal. Nor her face.
Didn't she wind up looking a lot like Michael?
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legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:52:56am |
re: #536 TheMatrix31
I can't BELIEVE it's been a year since Tony Snow passed away! Wow....
One of the most touching things I've ever read, written by Snow himself...
Never a clearer distinction between good and evil: Tony Snow and his post-mortem detractors.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:53:38am |
re: #533 quickjustice
We'd be better off changing tax policy to force schools and foundations to spend down their endowments within a fixed period of time-- twenty or thirty years at most. That forces them to change to meet the needs of their society, rather than acting as legacy schools propping up left-wing ideologues masquerading as professors.
I've not paid any attention to the subject of endowments but, it would be nice to more ideological balance in higher education.
| 547 |
legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:54:38am |
re: #540 MandyManners
Yep. Back when a journalism degree was not easy to pursue and not filled with touchy-feely shit. Our professors hammered home the need to be objective, the need to get as many sources as possible.
I don't know if you have time to discuss it, with church coming up, but, are you writing for anyone now?
| 548 |
TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:54:46am |
re: #544 legalpad
Never a clearer distinction between good and evil: Tony Snow and his post-mortem detractors.
What a good, honest man he was...
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:55:39am |
re: #533 quickjustice
We'd be better off changing tax policy to force schools and foundations to spend down their endowments within a fixed period of time-- twenty or thirty years at most. That forces them to change to meet the needs of their society, rather than acting as legacy schools propping up left-wing ideologues masquerading as professors.
That's another thing that grinds my ass. Our largest state university has a gigantic pile of endowments. Absolutely huge. It is more than large enough that even if it only threw off 3% interest, there would be enough to pay full tuition, room and board for over 1500 students. Without ever touching the principle. And this is an extremely conservative estimate, probably on the low side by a factor of three to five times. There is no reason at all for state residents to be paying anywhere near full tuition; they ought to be able to go to school for free, at least as far as their course costs are concerned.
Instead, tuition rates go up by double or triple the rate of inflation, every single year, without fail.
The high end of the middle class has found a way around this insanity. They're beginning to send their kids to school in other countries. It's cheaper to ship little Johnny or Susie overseas and pay non-resident tuition rates at many European schools than it is to send them to a decent US school. More talent drained offshore thanks to insane fiscal policies.
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legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:57:49am |
re: #548 TheMatrix31
What a good, honest man he was...
When I first saw him on Fox News Sunday, I was stunned that they let anyone that brilliant and honest on TV.
| 551 |
freetoken Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:57:55am |
re: #543 MandyManners
Didn't she wind up looking a lot like Michael?
Sort of like a Michael with boobs.
| 552 |
SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:58:29am |
re: #538 MandyManners
Did you take your humanities' classes and the like at community college?
Yes. I took everything but computer science courses, because courses in your major are the one thing that often won't transfer. But all of my prerequisites - math, english, humanities, science - got done at community college. When I transferred, the only thing I had left were my core computer classes, a few higher-level prerequisites, and higher-level electives.
| 554 |
realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:59:38am |
re: #535 freetoken
and
re: #536 TheMatrix31
Yeah, I thought my memory loss was bad, but not THAT BAD.
And I think I've been missing Tony Snow more and more since Brit Hume semi-retired. And since Gibbs took over at the WH (having nothing in particular to do with the POTUS; I just don't trust Gibbs as far as I can swing him by his big toe); even when Snow wasn't being completely forthright, for the most part when he was in Gibbs job, he still told the truth.
| 555 |
quickjustice Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:01:26am |
re: #546 MandyManners
Oversimplifying, successful entrepreneur amasses great fortune, part of which he bequeaths to a school or foundation as tax-deductible endowment. He dies twenty years later. Twenty-five years later, the school entrusts management of his endowment to a non-profit career leftist who espouses all the latest "green" causes. Suddenly, the endowment money is being given, tax -free, to an academic working to destroy capitalism and entrepreneurial efforts in the name of the environment.
That's what happened to the Ford Foundation, among many others. Tax policy shouldn't encourage perversion of the donor's purposes in making the donation in perpetuity. It should require that the money be spent within a reasonable time.
| 556 |
TheMatrix31 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:02:01am |
re: #554 realwest
and
re: #536 TheMatrix31
Yeah, I thought my memory loss was bad, but not THAT BAD.
And I think I've been missing Tony Snow more and more since Brit Hume semi-retired. And since Gibbs took over at the WH (having nothing in particular to do with the POTUS; I just don't trust Gibbs as far as I can swing him by his big toe); even when Snow wasn't being completely forthright, for the most part when he was in Gibbs job, he still told the truth.
Robert Gibbs is a supreme asshole, and is a disgrace to the White House Press Secretary position. Seriously, he's one of the biggest assholes I've ever seen on TV.
| 557 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:02:18am |
re: #545 Onslow
One thing struck me reading that link: Why the alarm? Firstly, as a revenue-seeking corporation, the Southern Poverty Law Center has every incentive to fabricate an attention generating “crisis” whenever possible.
The SPLC is a non-profit organization that is supported by donations only as their source of revenue. They spend about 70 per cent of their budget on their programs.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:03:39am |
re: #547 legalpad
I don't know if you have time to discuss it, with church coming up, but, are you writing for anyone now?
My father took him to church. I'm out of journalism and am a credentialed paralegal.
| 559 |
albusteve Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:05:15am |
I took BO and his commie connections seriously last summer, and repeatedly posted doom and economic gloom...I said he;d intentionally wrck the economy then 'fix' it teeming with socialism...I do more than my share of hype and blather but I really believed this...so did a few others but we were quickly disregarded...but it's unfolding just like that...I mean how else can it be explained away....the notion has gained alot of steam and now even VDH seems to think it's a plot....the liberals are letting our economy die on the vine making it that much easier to engineer their social changes, spearheaded of course by AGW........it seemed almost unbelievable a year ago
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
| 560 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:05:28am |
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realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:05:47am |
re: #541 mamacares
Good morning. Hopeful but no progress. Thank you for asking. How are you?
Well I'd be better off if I knew more about your situation! LOL - but you'll check The List today and see that you are definitely on it.
As for myself, I'm a tad more anxious than I've been in a LONG time cause I have my once every 3 month cancer check this week - take blood and get a PSA test number - and my Oncologist seems to think it's gonna be up again.
| 562 |
Onslow Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:07:14am |
re: #557 MandyManners
Is this expenditure out of line with other non-profits? I have no clue.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:08:24am |
re: #552 SixDegrees
Yes. I took everything but computer science courses, because courses in your major are the one thing that often won't transfer. But all of my prerequisites - math, english, humanities, science - got done at community college. When I transferred, the only thing I had left were my core computer classes, a few higher-level prerequisites, and higher-level electives.
The macro-economics course I took at that community college was taught by a flaming Marxist who wore cashmere sweaters and expensive leather jackets and drove a Mercedes.
Goodness, I despised that man. He made a disparaging comment about my accent the first week. I responded with a hearty "Fuck you" and transfered to another class.
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realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:09:20am |
re: #545 Onslow
Good morning Onslow and thanks for that link!
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:09:25am |
re: #555 quickjustice
Oversimplifying, successful entrepreneur amasses great fortune, part of which he bequeaths to a school or foundation as tax-deductible endowment. He dies twenty years later. Twenty-five years later, the school entrusts management of his endowment to a non-profit career leftist who espouses all the latest "green" causes. Suddenly, the endowment money is being given, tax -free, to an academic working to destroy capitalism and entrepreneurial efforts in the name of the environment.
That's what happened to the Ford Foundation, among many others. Tax policy shouldn't encourage perversion of the donor's purposes in making the donation in perpetuity. It should require that the money be spent within a reasonable time.
Also happened to the McArthur Foundation.
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quickjustice Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:10:09am |
re: #562 Onslow
The best non-profits spend about 10% of donations on administration. 30% is high, but not in the realm of rip-off. There may be administrative expenses associated with running a law firm that other charities don't have.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:11:12am |
re: #563 MandyManners
The macro-economics course I took at that community college was taught by a flaming Marxist who wore cashmere sweaters and expensive leather jackets and drove a Mercedes.
Goodness, I despised that man. He made a disparaging comment about my accent the first week. I responded with a hearty "Fuck you" and transfered to another class.
Our county's community college system is considered the best in the state. Maybe in several states. I had an excellent experience there, and only had one idiot for an instructor, a part-time economics professor who announced the first day of class that she had taken the position until she could find herself a "real job." She proved to be a complete idiot who wasn't even able to do simple arithmetic, and was helped along in her job quest after just a couple semesters by being dropped from the adjunct staff.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:11:42am |
re: #562 Onslow
Is this expenditure out of line with other non-profits? I have no clue.
From what I've heard and read over the years, many non-profits spend a lot more than 30 per cent on administration.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:12:43am |
re: #566 quickjustice
The best non-profits spend about 10% of donations on administration. 30% is high, but not in the realm of rip-off. There may be administrative expenses associated with running a law firm that other charities don't have.
Do they pay malpractice insurance?
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freetoken Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:13:20am |
re: #557 MandyManners
I checked out that article on the "chicago-boyz" website... and it didn't make any sense to me. Then I checked some of that particular writer's other essays on that site, and they likewise seem quite muddled.
The writer lacks a knowledge of both science and mathematics. E.g., she confuses the fact that SPLC found 40 self-described military members on the Saxon website, with the idea that one can meaningful deduce from that what percentage of all military might be racists. You can't do that, because one doesn't know how many other racist websites exist, and of those which do exist we don't know what the membership is like at those sites.
The SPLC gets flak here too when Charles links to them. The SPLC is not without its own ideology, yet there is no doubt that they collect a lot of data on individuals and groups of a notorious nature, and if that makes some people uncomfortable then so be it.
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LC LaWedgie Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:13:37am |
[Link: mogulus-user-files.s3.amazonaws.com...]
We choose... not because they are easy... because we intend to win. - JFK
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legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:13:56am |
re: #558 MandyManners
My father took him to church. I'm out of journalism and am a credentialed paralegal.
That's a good career. I was thinking, though, you could also bring your life experience to bear in writing something. I see that you have written a lot here, but maybe in the future, something more complete, like a column or something, a newsletter, even a blog. I have found that, in life, one can have many careers.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:14:16am |
re: #567 SixDegrees
Our county's community college system is considered the best in the state. Maybe in several states. I had an excellent experience there, and only had one idiot for an instructor, a part-time economics professor who announced the first day of class that she had taken the position until she could find herself a "real job." She proved to be a complete idiot who wasn't even able to do simple arithmetic, and was helped along in her job quest after just a couple semesters by being dropped from the adjunct staff.
That reminds me of the accounting 101 teacher who didn't like the feel of chalk dust so she tried to teach with prepared sheets on the over-head projector.
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Onslow Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:14:18am |
re: #564 realwest
You are welcome and best of luck on your cancer check this week.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:15:51am |
re: #571 freetoken
I checked out that article on the "chicago-boyz" website... and it didn't make any sense to me. Then I checked some of that particular writer's other essays on that site, and they likewise seem quite muddled.
The writer lacks a knowledge of both science and mathematics. E.g., she confuses the fact that SPLC found 40 self-described military members on the Saxon website, with the idea that one can meaningful deduce from that what percentage of all military might be racists. You can't do that, because one doesn't know how many other racist websites exist, and of those which do exist we don't know what the membership is like at those sites.
The SPLC gets flak here too when Charles links to them. The SPLC is not without its own ideology, yet there is no doubt that they collect a lot of data on individuals and groups of a notorious nature, and if that makes some people uncomfortable then so be it.
Anyone can claim to be anything on the Internet.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:16:47am |
re: #568 MandyManners
From what I've heard and read over the years, many non-profits spend a lot more than 30 per cent on administration.
[Link: www.ldsphilanthropies.org...]
This is just for education..
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realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:17:00am |
re: #557 MandyManners
Good morning Mandy! Uh, the SPLC is a not for profit but that doesn't mean it isn't looking for REVENUE. I've worked (hard!) for two charities in my life, both of which did extremely "good works" and both of which were 501 C (3)'s under the Internal Revenue Code (Not For Profit Charitable Corporations) and we spent roughly 80% of our time trying to raise money for the charity. Of course, we weren't paid any salaries, either - not even expense reimbursement, but we sure as hell were out looking for "revenue" to fund our programs.
And btw, the one charity I helped to form spent less than 5% of it's total income on salaries or expenses.
"Revenue" doesn't equal "profit."
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:17:09am |
re: #573 legalpad
That's a good career. I was thinking, though, you could also bring your life experience to bear in writing something. I see that you have written a lot here, but maybe in the future, something more complete, like a column or something, a newsletter, even a blog. I have found that, in life, one can have many careers.
I'm slowly working on my blog about the misogyny of Islam but real life intrudes too much at times.
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dmandman Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:18:13am |
has anyone talked about Holder not getting the memo about not prosecuting the previous admin for the crime of being not members of the Democratic Party?
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:18:29am |
re: #577 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: www.ldsphilanthropies.org...]
This is just for education..
Volunteers make the world go around.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:20:04am |
re: #578 realwest
Good morning Mandy! Uh, the SPLC is a not for profit but that doesn't mean it isn't looking for REVENUE. I've worked (hard!) for two charities in my life, both of which did extremely "good works" and both of which were 501 C (3)'s under the Internal Revenue Code (Not For Profit Charitable Corporations) and we spent roughly 80% of our time trying to raise money for the charity. Of course, we weren't paid any salaries, either - not even expense reimbursement, but we sure as hell were out looking for "revenue" to fund our programs.
And btw, the one charity I helped to form spent less than 5% of it's total income on salaries or expenses.
"Revenue" doesn't equal "profit."
Of course it looks for revenue. I said that in my post. However, the site I was questioning did not mention its non-profit status and--to me--seemed to imply that the SPLC finds bad guys just to make money.
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legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:20:05am |
re: #579 MandyManners
I'm slowly working on my blog about the misogyny of Islam but real life intrudes too much at times.
That's good. Life does intrude, though, doesn't it? It can get better.
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apachegunner Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:20:18am |
re: #568 MandyManners
From what I've heard and read over the years, many non-profits spend a lot more than 30 per cent on administration.
and there are several nonprofits who use almost 80%. Some time b ack when I was choosing charities to support I found united way was one of the highest charging funds and quit contributing to them because of it although they weren't close to the 80 I menetioned.
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FrogMarch Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:20:50am |
Obama and fear itself: The small business owner.
Good morning all.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:22:48am |
re: #580 dmandman
has anyone talked about Holder not getting the memo about not prosecuting the previous admin for the crime of being not members of the Democratic Party?
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]
*Four knowledgeable sources tell NEWSWEEK that he is now leaning toward appointing a prosecutor to investigate the Bush administration's brutal interrogation practices*
Talk about your loaded words!
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Lincolntf Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:23:47am |
Morning all.
Biding my time until it's a reasonable hour to throw a big rack of ribs on the grill. 1 hour 37 minutes and counting...
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:24:02am |
re: #583 legalpad
That's good. Life does intrude, though, doesn't it? It can get better.
And, it can get worse.
(This has been my glass-half-empty moment for the day.)
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realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:26:06am |
re: #566 quickjustice
What % of revenue goes to expenses also depends a great deal on the purpose of the charity and where it's located. If your charity is in the middle of Manhattan for example your "Overhead" for rent and property/personal liability insurance is going to be much higher than if you were located in, say, Ames, Iowa. And if your charity involves the use of computer equipment or vehicles of any sort, you're overhead will likewise be much higher.
As I said above, over the eleven year lifespan of the charity I helped form a tad less than 5% went to overhead, even though we were located in Manhattan - cause we managed to fast talk convince people to donate unused office space and all of our teachers were volunteers.
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bbuddha Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:26:06am |
Good morning all,
Another lovely sunny day in my part of the world, already up to 77 at 10:25am
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:26:20am |
re: #584 apachegunner
and there are several nonprofits who use almost 80%. Some time b ack when I was choosing charities to support I found united way was one of the highest charging funds and quit contributing to them because of it although they weren't close to the 80 I menetioned.
Wasn't there a huge scandal back in the 80s about United Way's high administrative costs?
I never signed up to donate to it through my salary which made more than a few bosses mad. Sorry but, I decide which specific charity to give my money, not some umbrella organization.
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Lincolntf Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:26:35am |
re: #586 MandyManners
I remember a conversation back around the Inauguration in which many of us (no idea who) concluded that the most likely scenario would be that Obama would keep the "war-crimes" bullshit in his back pocket to be trotted out if and when he needed a distraction from the failure of the Stimulus. Looks like we nailed that one.
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legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:27:13am |
re: #586 MandyManners
*Four knowledgeable sources tell NEWSWEEK that he is now leaning toward appointing a prosecutor to investigate the Bush administration's brutal interrogation practices*
Talk about your loaded words!
I would love to explain to some of these people exactly what brutal means. Two rooms: one has a typical U.S.water-boarding team, including the doctor. The other is an interrogation team from an unknown country. If they had to choose, which door would these idiots choose? All of them would choose the U.S.
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quickjustice Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:27:49am |
re: #569 MandyManners
I don't know. In some states, there's immunity from liability for torts committed by charitable organizations, but that's now the minority. In the majority of states, they'd definitely need malpractice insurance.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:27:55am |
re: #585 FrogMarch
Obama and fear itself: The small business owner.
Good morning all.
Linky no worky for me.
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legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:28:06am |
re: #588 MandyManners
And, it can get worse.
(This has been my glass-half-empty moment for the day.)
It's our job to make damn sure it doesn't.
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apachegunner Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:28:20am |
re: #591 MandyManners yep, your right. i've never given a dime to em since.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:29:45am |
re: #586 MandyManners
*Four knowledgeable sources tell NEWSWEEK that he is now leaning toward appointing a prosecutor to investigate the Bush administration's brutal interrogation practices*
Talk about your loaded words!
They need a distraction to divert people's attention from the fizzling mess they've made of the economy, and the fact that nothing they are proposing is going to fix it.
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freetoken Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:30:07am |
I think I figured out who killed Michael Jackson ⤵
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⤷ LEON PANETTA
Here is the reasoning: Dick Cheney had a super secret program (beyond the rendition, torture, etc) that was so secret that not even a single Congress didn't know.
That secret program had a special agent... Michael Jackson. In fact, Michael was the twelfth such member of Cheney's secret group, and so he went by the moniker "MJ12".
Anyway, when Panetta found out about the program on June 23rd, he put a stop to it. But of course, he would have had to clean up all the loose ends, including possibly damaging witnesses to the CIA, etc.
Thus, Panetta had MJ12 rubbed out to hide some of the evidence.
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bbuddha Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:30:07am |
re: #593 legalpad
I'm becoming unsure of that. The left seems to have lost that vital instinct of self preservation. ie their embracing islam
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:30:09am |
re: #587 Lincolntf
Morning all.
Biding my time until it's a reasonable hour to throw a big rack of ribs on the grill. 1 hour 37 minutes and counting...
I'm doing a sirloin roast with new potatoes, parsnips, carrots and Vidalia onions, accompanied by freshly-picked corn on the cob and tomatoes I've picked this morning. Desert will be bowls of freshly picked blackberries topping vanilla ice cream.
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realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:30:14am |
re: #571 freetoken
"The SPLC gets flak here too when Charles links to them. The SPLC is not without its own ideology, yet there is no doubt that they collect a lot of data on individuals and groups of a notorious nature, and if that makes some people uncomfortable then so be it."
It isn't that they collect a lot of data on bad people and groups that bothers me about the SPLC, freetoken, it's their sources for that material and the way the SPLC uses it. Please note that that criticism doen't just apply to the SPLC either - but to several "Right Wing" groups as well.
Once you get a "charitable" corporation involved in politics, y'all need to be chary of what they say and how they research what they say.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:31:03am |
re: #593 legalpad
I would love to explain to some of these people exactly what brutal means. Two rooms: one has a typical U.S.water-boarding team, including the doctor. The other is an interrogation team from an unknown country. If they had to choose, which door would these idiots choose? All of them would choose the U.S.
No, other countries make s'mores and give you Unicorn rides.
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dmandman Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:31:15am |
re: #593 legalpad
The fools have no recollection or interest in the history of actions taken like that. It always ends with a civil war and a lot of very dead people.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:31:45am |
re: #590 bbuddha
Good morning all,
Another lovely sunny day in my part of the world, already up to 77 at 10:25am
It's about that here with 80 per cent humidity. I love it.
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quickjustice Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:31:53am |
re: #586 MandyManners
As the economy continues to spiral downwards, President Obama will need some show trials of prominent Republicans to distract the nation from his bungled economic performance. Holder is preparing for those right now.
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bbuddha Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:32:26am |
re: #598 SixDegrees
They need a distraction to divert people's attention from the fizzling mess they've made of the economy, and the fact that nothing they are proposing is going to fix it.
Not only not going to fix it but will further imperil it. I've come to the conclusion that O is either a complete idiot or is actively TRYING to destroy us
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:32:35am |
re: #592 Lincolntf
I remember a conversation back around the Inauguration in which many of us (no idea who) concluded that the most likely scenario would be that Obama would keep the "war-crimes" bullshit in his back pocket to be trotted out if and when he needed a distraction from the failure of the Stimulus. Looks like we nailed that one.
Or, it might be a warning to the GOP to shut the fuck up about the economy.
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Lincolntf Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:33:25am |
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Bloodnok Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:33:30am |
re: #599 freetoken
Ah. No wonder MJ12 covered his face with a surgical mask when traveling to other countries.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:33:41am |
re: #593 legalpad
I would love to explain to some of these people exactly what brutal means. Two rooms: one has a typical U.S.water-boarding team, including the doctor. The other is an interrogation team from an unknown country. If they had to choose, which door would these idiots choose? All of them would choose the U.S.
The issue to me is the use of the word "brutal" by the writer. It should have been preceeded by "alleged".
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n in wi Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:34:38am |
re: #608 quickjustice
As the economy continues to spiral downwards, President Obama will need some show trials of prominent Republicans to distract the nation from his bungled economic performance. Holder is preparing for those right now.
Yep,as poll numbers go down,investigations go up.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:35:02am |
I'm surprised that I haven't heard any complaints yet from the wacky radical right about Michelle Obama and her apparent "bowing down" to a religion during the recent trip that the President, her and the White House entourage took this past week.
I see (right now, Drudge front page) a picture of her, Obama and the Pope, and she her head is covered in a black veil.
Very common and proper for anyone entering a Catholic religious structure and especially when meeting the Pope.
All I heard from the wacky radical right was "seething and raging (TM - KT) when Pelosi wore a head covering in the Middle East, and if I remember correctly, so did Hillary.
And of course, the wacky radical right is always going over the top when Obama practices some ceremonial bow or some other protocol when visiting other countries and world leaders.
Where is all the whining and moaning from the wacky radical right?
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FrogMarch Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:35:03am |
re: #595 MandyManners
Linky no worky for me.
try this one...
It's just her home page:
[Link: neoneocon.com...]
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bbuddha Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:35:18am |
re: #607 MandyManners
After this past winter, the hotter the better as far as I'm concerned
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realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:35:26am |
re: #582 MandyManners
Of course it looks for revenue. I said that in my post. However, the site I was questioning did not mention its non-profit status and--to me--seemed to imply that the SPLC finds bad guys just to make money.
Make money in this context could be the same thing as making "revenue" not profit. Far as I know the SPLC doesn't make a profit; last time I donated to it (before I had to pretty much stop donating to charities cause of my own expenses) it was still running at a deficit.
And you are absolutely correct: volunteers (and organized volunteers in "charities") do make the world go around - they tend to be leaner and more dedicated than say the United Way *Spit*.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:35:30am |
re: #594 quickjustice
I don't know. In some states, there's immunity from liability for torts committed by charitable organizations, but that's now the minority. In the majority of states, they'd definitely need malpractice insurance.
Should there be immunity? Wouldn't it force poor people to have no recourse should they get bad advice/representation?
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quickjustice Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:35:31am |
re: #610 MandyManners
Or both. If the economy continues to deteriorate, as Summers himself now predicts, Obama will need a major distraction. An invasion of Honduras, perhaps?
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Lincolntf Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:35:52am |
re: #613 MandyManners
They save the "alleged" for rapists, murderers and Democrats. Republicans never get that benefit of the doubt.
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apachegunner Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:36:11am |
re: #609 bbuddha
Not only not going to fix it but will further imperil it. I've come to the conclusion that O is either a complete idiot or is actively TRYING to destroy us
is it only me who all along has expected nobama to do exactly what he is doing? he isn't ruining this country by mistake, he is doing it "by the book", and before the nation wakes up it will be almost too late!
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:36:17am |
re: #596 legalpad
It's our job to make damn sure it doesn't.
Well, it is my glass so I'm gonna' make sure I see it as half-full.
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opnion Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:36:32am |
Good morning. Diane Finestien & John Cornyn were just on with Chris Wallace, discussing Sotomayor.
The "Wise Latina" comment came up. Finestien addresed it by saying that a silver haired, former member of the Texas Supreme Court could be more qualified than others. Her reference was to Cornyn.
So, she equated ethnicity & experince as similar qualifications.
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bbuddha Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:37:12am |
re: #611 Lincolntf
Well, la-dee-da...
Actually, I better start thinking of side-dishes myself.
Hey, you got ribs, who needs sides
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:37:30am |
re: #597 apachegunner
yep, your right. i've never given a dime to em since.
Years ago my dad told me about his experience with it while he was in the military. His CO demanded he sign up but Dad refused. His CO tried to make his life a living hell.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:38:07am |
re: #598 SixDegrees
They need a distraction to divert people's attention from the fizzling mess they've made of the economy, and the fact that nothing they are proposing is going to fix it.
Go after the running dog lackeys of capitalism!
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:39:19am |
re: #599 freetoken
I don't like the CIA lying to Congress. However, considering what a leaky body it is, I can understand it somewhat.
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quickjustice Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:39:20am |
re: #619 MandyManners
If poor people are receiving free goods or services from a charity, the older argument was that the charity shouldn't be punished in the tort system for trying to do good. Legal liability might destroy the charity entirely.
Your argument is the more modern counter-argument, which is now the policy of the majority of states.
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lawhawk Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:40:31am |
re: #542 realwest
Beats me why these schools think that they can charge the amounts they do. Why would anyone go to Bates or any of those high priced schools unless they were Ivies or the top tier academically? Even then, I'd seriously consider the public ivies instead (UNC, USC, UCLA, SUNY, Michigan, etc., particularly if you're instate).
re: #524 quickjustice
You're right that the law schools are a profit center, especially when compared to medical schools. My alma mater has spent considerably to build its infrastructure from the time I was there until now - new academic buildings, expanded campus in conjunction with the school of pharmacy and medical school across the street, but the high tuitions are also meant to deter people from entering the field - to keep it limited (particularly when combined with the bar exam to flush out others from practicing).
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:40:51am |
re: #608 quickjustice
As the economy continues to spiral downwards, President Obama will need some show trials of prominent Republicans to distract the nation from his bungled economic performance. Holder is preparing for those right now.
As I posted two posts after the one to which I'm responding, maybe he's just trying to scare the GOP by floating a balloon.
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realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:41:03am |
re: #584 apachegunner
Hey Guns! How are you doing today? Uh, I'd strongly suggest you avoid giving to the United Way - they spend one of, if not the highest percentage of revenue to expenses of any organization around. Red Cross (National) is another - when Liz Dole was Red Cross' president, her salary was $500,000 a year. To run a charity.
She said in a news conference I attended that she simply gave that salary back to the Red Cross but that's NOT what the Red Cross' accounting books showed. She kept the half a million a year AND had travel expense money like crazy.
SixthDegree - or someone else above had it right: if a charity is spending more than 10% on "administrative costs" you ought to look into what counts as Administrative costs (if rent, for example, seems high, see who the Landlord is and if the Landlord or the Landlord's spouse is on the board of directors of the charity, RUN the other way). Some can run up to 30% or so, but any charity that has an 80% administrative cost is ripping someone off, I guarantee it.
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legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:41:23am |
re: #600 bbuddha
I'm becoming unsure of that. The left seems to have lost that vital instinct of self preservation. ie their embracing islam
I would agree, until they actually find themselves in a third-world torture room. I think the left has Disney-syndrome. They just don't accept the evils that exist in the world. And it's evil of them that they don't.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:41:50am |
re: #609 bbuddha
Not only not going to fix it but will further imperil it. I've come to the conclusion that O is either a complete idiot or is actively TRYING to destroy us
I don't think it's quite that extreme. However, a lousy economy does help the Administration get some of it's pet projects passed. National health care gets a lot more support when lots of people are out of work and lots more are worried about losing their jobs. And don't worry - we'll make the "rich" pay for it, with an ever-declining threshold for where "rich" begins. I don't expect the Administration to do anything to fire up the economy before October, after the various health care bills are passed or dead.
It's not so much that he's actively seeking to ruin things. Just that he's taking advantage of the fear and uncertainty the current climate creates, and isn't going to so anything to change it because doing so will work against his purposes.
And economic rebound isn't going to help the Democrats much if it happens now, either. It would be better for those involved in midterm elections if things began to rebound around the first of the year, so by November any recovery will be well under way and the Dems can take credit for it.
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apachegunner Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:41:57am |
re: #626 MandyManners
Years ago my dad told me about his experience with it while he was in the military. His CO demanded he sign up but Dad refused. His CO tried to make his life a living hell.
exactly! i had to put up with the same crap from my people for doing the same thing but i stuck to my guns and did it.
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legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:42:04am |
re: #623 MandyManners
Well, it is my glass so I'm gonna' make sure I see it as half-full.
Yep. And you can pour some more in it.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:42:18am |
re: #611 Lincolntf
Well, la-dee-da...
Actually, I better start thinking of side-dishes myself.
Grill some veggies? Ages ago Noam posted his method for grilling Brussels' sprouts. IIRCH, it involves butter and foil.
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n in wi Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:42:30am |
re: #622 apachegunner
is it only me who all along has expected nobama to do exactly what he is doing? he isn't ruining this country by mistake, he is doing it "by the book", and before the nation wakes up it will be almost too late!
No, it is not only you. I also believe he is doing things exactly as planned. He doesn't care how much the economy is destroyed,because the Dems will have control of what is left. More people will need to look to them for more things. I also think they can "create" a good economy through stimulus money spending were it is needed for the 2010 mid-terms, and 2012 presidential election.
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legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:43:59am |
re: #606 dmandman
The fools have no recollection or interest in the history of actions taken like that. It always ends with a civil war and a lot of very dead people.
Very dead. I guess that's considerably worse than mostly dead.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:44:03am |
re: #616 FrogMarch
try this one...
It's just her home page:
[Link: neoneocon.com...]
It's still a bad link for me. Maybe my ISP is blocking it.
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quickjustice Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:44:09am |
Salvation Army is the most effective Protestant charity. Catholic Charities also has an excellent record of administrative efficiency. I don't know which of the Jewish charities is the most effective in terms of administrative expenses versus services delivered.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:44:18am |
re: #634 SixDegrees
Did you post a reply to my Koran/Hebrew scripture question? I had to leave for work sometime during our discussion, and I may have missed it.
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bbuddha Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:44:22am |
re: #622 apachegunner
is it only me who all along has expected nobama to do exactly what he is doing? he isn't ruining this country by mistake, he is doing it "by the book", and before the nation wakes up it will be almost too late!
I, obviously, wasn't a zero supporter but I guess I hoped that he wouldn't so quickly and radically in the direction he's taken. I do hope that the "almost too late" is correct
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apachegunner Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:44:37am |
re: #632 realwest
hi RW, good day to you and your mum, errrrr read the posts buddy that's what I was saying, partner
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:45:04am |
re: #617 bbuddha
After this past winter, the hotter the better as far as I'm concerned
This is not hot. My ideal conditions are between 70 and 75 with at least 60 per cent humidity. It bathes the body in soft moisture.
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legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:45:08am |
re: #603 Cannadian Club Akbar
No, other countries make s'mores and give you Unicorn rides.
/
If you told them that with a straight face they would believe you.
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VioletTiger Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:46:35am |
Good morning all.
Obama says we need to be patient. Now he says the economy will take years to recover. They are really spinning away on the failed stimulus. At least it shows they are paying attention to public opinion.
I bet if they gave a 3 month tax holiday the economy would have been more stimulated. Of course, that would have required them letting us keep our own money and deciding how we would spend it.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:46:53am |
re: #618 realwest
Make money in this context could be the same thing as making "revenue" not profit. Far as I know the SPLC doesn't make a profit; last time I donated to it (before I had to pretty much stop donating to charities cause of my own expenses) it was still running at a deficit.
And you are absolutely correct: volunteers (and organized volunteers in "charities") do make the world go around - they tend to be leaner and more dedicated than say the United Way *Spit*.
It's a non-profit and has an endowment of $156,000,000.00.
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legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:47:01am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:47:28am |
re: #620 quickjustice
Or both. If the economy continues to deteriorate, as Summers himself now predicts, Obama will need a major distraction. An invasion of Honduras, perhaps?
Is he that stupid?
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freetoken Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:48:07am |
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:48:15am |
re: #621 Lincolntf
They save the "alleged" for rapists, murderers and Democrats. Republicans never get that benefit of the doubt.
It is not sloppy writing. It was deliberate in a puff-piece about Holder.
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realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:48:56am |
re: #615 Walter L. Newton
Maybe it has something to do with showing respect to a true religion (Christianity) as opposed to showing respect to the ROP.
And in either even, do you recall who it was that Pelosi and Hillary were visiting when they wore their headcoverings? (hint, not even close to the Pope in terms of leadership or good deeds).
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opnion Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:49:08am |
re: #649 VioletTiger
Good morning all.
Obama says we need to be patient. Now he says the economy will take years to recover. They are really spinning away on the failed stimulus. At least it shows they are paying attention to public opinion.
I bet if they gave a 3 month tax holiday the economy would have been more stimulated. Of course, that would have required them letting us keep our own money and deciding how we would spend it.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:50:18am |
re: #629 quickjustice
If poor people are receiving free goods or services from a charity, the older argument was that the charity shouldn't be punished in the tort system for trying to do good. Legal liability might destroy the charity entirely.
Your argument is the more modern counter-argument, which is now the policy of the majority of states.
To me, that might have guarded incompetent attorneys who couldn't make it in for-profit practice. I could be wrong. I often am.
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apachegunner Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:50:30am |
re: #638 n in wi
No, it is not only you. I also believe he is doing things exactly as planned. He doesn't care how much the economy is destroyed,because the Dems will have control of what is left. More people will need to look to them for more things. I also think they can "create" a good economy through stimulus money spending were it is needed for the 2010 mid-terms, and 2012 presidential election.
I think is it even more, he and his group want an end to america as we know it. they ahould all be perp walked to the pen for treason, my thoughs anyway.
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bbuddha Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:51:12am |
re: #634 SixDegrees
I don't think it's quite that extreme. However, a lousy economy does help the Administration get some of it's pet projects passed. National health care gets a lot more support when lots of people are out of work and lots more are worried about losing their jobs. And don't worry - we'll make the "rich" pay for it, with an ever-declining threshold for where "rich" begins. I don't expect the Administration to do anything to fire up the economy before October, after the various health care bills are passed or dead.
It's not so much that he's actively seeking to ruin things. Just that he's taking advantage of the fear and uncertainty the current climate creates, and isn't going to so anything to change it because doing so will work against his purposes.
And economic rebound isn't going to help the Democrats much if it happens now, either. It would be better for those involved in midterm elections if things began to rebound around the first of the year, so by November any recovery will be well under way and the Dems can take credit for it.
I think that is rose colored view. It would be nice if it was true as that would mean that my IRA's might recover before they disappeared.
In my view it is malice or ignorance. If it isn't malice then he's stupid enough not to realize that if they pass cap and tax and the medical nightmare it will destroy us
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:52:31am |
re: #633 legalpad
I would agree, until they actually find themselves in a third-world torture room. I think the left has Disney-syndrome. They just don't accept the evils that exist in the world. And it's evil of them that they don't.
Evil is just another label to them that can be removed by talking to the evil-doers, tryint to understand them.
That's what happens when absolutes disappear, when every POV is as equal as another.
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dmandman Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:53:29am |
re: #640 legalpad
Sorry in my neck of the wood's "very dead" is a euphemism suggesting a very violent and bloody end that removes any hope of survival.
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:53:48am |
re: #649 VioletTiger
Good morning all.
Obama says we need to be patient. Now he says the economy will take years to recover. They are really spinning away on the failed stimulus. At least it shows they are paying attention to public opinion.
I bet if they gave a 3 month tax holiday the economy would have been more stimulated. Of course, that would have required them letting us keep our own money and deciding how we would spend it.
That is what has always been done in the past to pull the economy out of recessions. It's astonishing that nearly a trillion dollars worth of stimulus money is sitting unspent while the economy continues to scrape along the bottom, or perhaps sink even further. Less than 10% of that money has been allocated, and less than that has actually hit the streets. Six months after the bill was passed.
Slashing withholdings by as much as 100% would get the economy back on it's feet in a hell of a hurry. But see above; it would also interfere with ramming programs like national health care through Congress on a wave of fear and anxiety as more and more people lose their jobs. It isn't in the Administration's best interest to get the economy running smoothly again at this point.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:53:52am |
re: #635 apachegunner
exactly! i had to put up with the same crap from my people for doing the same thing but i stuck to my guns and did it.
It's awful the way they get businesses or other organizations to turn it into a competition. Giving should come from the heart, not from a desire to win a freakin' Kewpie doll.
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bbuddha Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:54:05am |
re: #647 MandyManners
LOL Aahh, that is why southern woman look better than those of us trapped in the north
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albusteve Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:54:13am |
re: #658 apachegunner
I think is it even more, he and his group want an end to america as we know it. they ahould all be perp walked to the pen for treason, my thoughs anyway.
agreed...they have no moral authority to steal the economy away from the citizens...they are defying the will of the people and using govt to beat us into submission
| 666 |
nyc redneck Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:54:34am |
re: #559 albusteve
I took BO and his commie connections seriously last summer, and repeatedly posted doom and economic gloom...I said he;d intentionally wrck the economy then 'fix' it teeming with socialism...I do more than my share of hype and blather but I really believed this...so did a few others but we were quickly disregarded...but it's unfolding just like that...I mean how else can it be explained away....the notion has gained alot of steam and now even VDH seems to think it's a plot....the liberals are letting our economy die on the vine making it that much easier to engineer their social changes, spearheaded of course by AGW........it seemed almost unbelievable a year ago
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
i couldn't agree more. create a crisis or make one worse and then ride in on a white horse w/ all the answers. o did state all thru his endless pre-election campaigning and his current campaigning that he was going to remake america, redo america, fix america. big socialist gov't is seizing power and o can't make it happen soon enough. this is what he meant by "change"
| 667 |
realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:55:02am |
re: #619 MandyManners
See here's the problem (assuming you're dealing with a real charity) malpractice insurance is hardly ever required because a) most juries tend to be - perhaps too much so - sympathetic to Charities and b) even if someone gets a judgment against a charity, how are they gonna collect on that judgement (again, assuming it's a legit charity)? They won't have any "assets" to speak of that aren't used for it's charitable purposes - so you're back at sympathetic juries.
| 668 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:55:16am |
re: #655 realwest
Maybe it has something to do with showing respect to a true religion (Christianity) as opposed to showing respect to the ROP.
And in either even, do you recall who it was that Pelosi and Hillary were visiting when they wore their headcoverings? (hint, not even close to the Pope in terms of leadership or good deeds).
I don't give two fucks, protocol is protocol, all our leaders, for years have followed protocol. Even lowly Protestants school children visiting a country like, oh let's say Spain, are told to respect the protocols of the Catholic religion, cover your arms, cover you head, show a little respect to your host.
| 669 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:55:29am |
re: #651 legalpad
Is that as opposed to a firehose?
/
And, the hot heat of Denver. Goodness--it would grab me by the throat and throttle me.
| 670 |
Lincolntf Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:55:58am |
re: #637 MandyManners
Wifey just pulled out "Joy of Cooking" and is making a first attempt at potatoes au gratin. Should be interesting.
| 671 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:56:24am |
re: #658 apachegunner
I think is it even more, he and his group want an end to america as we know it. they ahould all be perp walked to the pen for treason, my thoughs anyway.
Have you seen the clip in which he calls the Constitution "flawed"?
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VioletTiger Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:56:53am |
re: #662 SixDegrees
That is what has always been done in the past to pull the economy out of recessions. It's astonishing that nearly a trillion dollars worth of stimulus money is sitting unspent while the economy continues to scrape along the bottom, or perhaps sink even further. Less than 10% of that money has been allocated, and less than that has actually hit the streets. Six months after the bill was passed.
Slashing withholdings by as much as 100% would get the economy back on it's feet in a hell of a hurry. But see above; it would also interfere with ramming programs like national health care through Congress on a wave of fear and anxiety as more and more people lose their jobs. It isn't in the Administration's best interest to get the economy running smoothly again at this point.
I wish there were a way to make people see that and understand that. There is so much of an attitude of 'as long as you are taxing THEM and not me, I don't care.' I don't think people realize that there is no free lunch (or free healthcare). Sooner or later we all pay.
| 673 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:57:01am |
re: #667 realwest
Just shot you an e-mail.
How you doing today ?
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:57:48am |
re: #664 bbuddha
LOL Aahh, that is why southern woman look better than those of us trapped in the north
I was raised in the South where it was more humid than it is where I live now.
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n in wi Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:58:25am |
re: #663 Mandy Manners
It's awful the way they get businesses or other organizations to turn it into a competition. Giving should come from the heart, not from a desire to win a freaking' Kewpie doll.
Giving should also not be coerced through confiscatory taxing,either.
It's a truly bad idea to have contributions and/or voluntarism run by the same people that have the power to take someones property[income] through taxes, and need a majority of voted to maintain that power.
| 676 |
J.S. Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:58:57am |
re: #668 Walter L. Newton
Was Nancy Pelosi visiting a religious figure in Syria or just Assad, the Dictator (when she wore the hijab?) (the gesture appeared to me to be more political than religious).
| 677 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:58:58am |
re: #667 realwest
See here's the problem (assuming you're dealing with a real charity) malpractice insurance is hardly ever required because a) most juries tend to be - perhaps too much so - sympathetic to Charities and b) even if someone gets a judgment against a charity, how are they gonna collect on that judgement (again, assuming it's a legit charity)? They won't have any "assets" to speak of that aren't used for it's charitable purposes - so you're back at sympathetic juries.
Quickjustice posted above that most states now require non-profit legal foundations to have that insurance.
| 678 |
notamolly Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:59:06am |
re: #652 MandyManners
Is he that stupid?
He is that stupid and arrogant. He thinks he is like unto the most high. And a cursory study of the Bible would show that this is a bad bad idea.
| 679 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:59:09am |
re: #655 realwest
Maybe it has something to do with showing respect to a true religion (Christianity) as opposed to showing respect to the ROP.
And in either even, do you recall who it was that Pelosi and Hillary were visiting when they wore their headcoverings? (hint, not even close to the Pope in terms of leadership or good deeds).
And there you go pulling the "true scotsman" defense, which doesn't work. But, your comment above is the answer to my question, but not for the reason you think.
| 680 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:59:19am |
re: #674 MandyManners
I was raised in the South where it was more humid than it is where I live now.
I was raised in a barn, according to some.
/close that damned door !
| 681 |
Joshua Cohen Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:59:24am |
EU's Solana says world should recognize Palestinian state
The European Union's top diplomat has called for the United Nations Security Council to push forward and recognize a Palestinian state even without a final-status agreement between Israel and the Palestinians.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Disturbing!
| 682 |
VioletTiger Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:59:26am |
re: #663 MandyManners
It's awful the way they get businesses or other organizations to turn it into a competition. Giving should come from the heart, not from a desire to win a freakin' Kewpie doll.
I did not give to them this year for the first time. My husband and I decided that we would make other charity choices when we saw some links with ACORN. They are so pushy about it at work that it just got to me.
| 683 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:59:49am |
re: #670 Lincolntf
Wifey just pulled out "Joy of Cooking" and is making a first attempt at potatoes au gratin. Should be interesting.
I like cheese but, in small amounts.
| 684 |
jill e Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:59:51am |
| 685 |
realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:00:26am |
re: #634 SixDegrees
Well
And economic rebound isn't going to help the Democrats much if it happens now, either. It would be better for those involved in midterm elections if things began to rebound around the first of the year, so by November any recovery will be well under way and the Dems can take credit for it.
that could explain why only 10% of the stimulus money has been spent so far - the rest mostly being targeted for spending in 2010.
| 686 |
notamolly Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:00:49am |
re: #666 nyc redneck
i couldn't agree more. create a crisis or make one worse and then ride in on a white horse w/ all the answers. o did state all thru his endless pre-election campaigning and his current campaigning that he was going to remake america, redo america, fix america. big socialist gov't is seizing power and o can't make it happen soon enough. this is what he meant by "change"
You havent seen anything yet said the 0.
| 687 |
apachegunner Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:00:56am |
re: #671 MandyManners yes, and i know he has planns to fix that, begining with sotomyer. wonder which justice will be next to leave, surely it woun't be a consertative will it?
| 688 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:01:03am |
re: #674 MandyManners
I was raised in the South where it was more humid than it is where I live now.
I've lived and worked many places around this great nation. For terrible humidity, (percentages, number of days , etc) there is Orlando and Wahington DC area (hell , it was built on a SWAMP!)
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:01:08am |
re: #675 n in wi
Giving should also not be coerced through confiscatory taxing,either.
It's a truly bad idea to have contributions and/or voluntarism run by the same people that have the power to take someones property[income] through taxes, and need a majority of voted to maintain that power.
The government does not run any charity. It gets its money through the threat of force.
That said, I suppose taxes are necessary. How else will roads be built?
| 690 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:02:07am |
re: #676 J.S.
Was Nancy Pelosi visiting a religious figure in Syria or just Assad, the Dictator (when she wore the hijab?) (the gesture appeared to me to be more political than religious).
Doesn't matter. protocol is protocol, it was done to show respect to ones host. And in the case of many of the middle east countries, there is no separation of "church" and state. Hell, that's been mention at LGF hundreds of times.
So, what is it? Proper and protocol, or because Michelle is respection the "true religion (TM - Realwest).
| 691 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:02:51am |
re: #684 jill e
Kathleen Kennedy Townsend has now declared Obama to be the American Pope!
She also wrote the book "How to get a Republican elected Governor in the State of Maryland".
That's a stunning feat.
Nobody listens to her.
| 692 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:03:04am |
re: #678 notamolly
He is that stupid and arrogant. He thinks he is like unto the most high. And a cursory study of the Bible would show that this is a bad bad idea.
Invading a small nation to re-install a man who abolished a Constitutional limit on power who is supported by Castro and Chavez? That would be too blatant.
| 693 |
legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:03:43am |
re: #669 MandyManners
And, the hot heat of Denver. Goodness--it would grab me by the throat and throttle me.
It's all conditioning. I'm happy if it's under 110, and nobody has me staked to an antbed. I'd need to adapt to a summer in Baghdad.
| 694 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:03:55am |
re: #680 SasquatchOnSteroids
I was raised in a barn, according to some.
/close that damned door !
The Kid sometimes thinks he's being raised in a barn.
| 695 |
jaunte Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:03:55am |
re: #684 jill e
Kathleen Kennedy Townsend has now declared Obama to be the American Pope!
This was a funny statement from that piece:
For Obama, respectful disagreement and a willingness to recognize differences was the animating spirit of the presidential campaign
Like this:
"I recognize that you disagree with me, but you're wrong. And I won."
| 696 |
realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:04:05am |
re: #673 SasquatchOnSteroids Received it and appreciate it a lot, but I have to get my butt in gear to do Chores again.
I'll think on it and get back to you!
| 697 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:04:39am |
re: #682 VioletTiger
I did not give to them this year for the first time. My husband and I decided that we would make other charity choices when we saw some links with ACORN. They are so pushy about it at work that it just got to me.
What? ACORN has links to UW? How so?
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:04:39am |
re: #696 realwest
Received it and appreciate it a lot, but I have to get my butt in gear to do Chores again.
I'll think on it and get back to you!
cool. have a good one.
| 699 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:05:54am |
re: #669 MandyManners
And, the hot heat of Denver. Goodness--it would grab me by the throat and throttle me.
Morning Mandy... the heat of Denver, that's not heat, that's a wonderful, dry, embrace of mother nature's natural sweater :)
I was born in Brooklyn, live in New Jersey, lived all over Texas, have family in New Orleans, and I've visited Western Europe enough times, and I'll take the Colorado heat over any of it.
| 700 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:05:59am |
re: #687 apachegunner
yes, and i know he has planns to fix that, begining with sotomyer. wonder which justice will be next to leave, surely it woun't be a consertative will it?
He's already made inroads through the legislative and executive branches.
| 701 |
realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:06:24am |
re: #677 MandyManners
YO - Quickjustice Where did you find a requirment by states that charities have malpractice insurance?
Link please?
| 702 |
apachegunner Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:06:33am |
re: #681 Joshua Cohen
EU's Solana says world should recognize Palestinian state
The European Union's top diplomat has called for the United Nations Security Council to push forward and recognize a Palestinian state even without a final-status agreement between Israel and the Palestinians.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Disturbing!
the palstinian state? i can imagine their state and it is one the world could certainly do without.
| 703 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:06:44am |
re: #688 sattv4u2
I've lived and worked many places around this great nation. For terrible humidity, (percentages, number of days , etc) there is Orlando and Wahington DC area (hell , it was built on a SWAMP!)
Why was that area chosen for the capitol?
| 704 |
albusteve Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:07:15am |
re: #690 Walter L. Newton
my dad was a hardcore agnostic....nevertheless he smacked me around when I would not take off my cowboy hat when we visited this little church, marched me outside and left me there...he was very strict about these types of protocal and he was all about respect
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
| 705 |
Lincolntf Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:08:13am |
re: #684 jill e
Who would have ever guessed that it would be the Democrats that raced toward turning our country into a theocracy?
Of course, they had to invent a new Religion (Obamacism, maybe?) to do it, but still...
| 706 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:08:13am |
re: #699 Walter L. Newton
Morning Mandy... the heat of Denver, that's not heat, that's a wonderful, dry, embrace of mother nature's natural sweater :)
I was born in Brooklyn, live in New Jersey, lived all over Texas, have family in New Orleans, and I've visited Western Europe enough times, and I'll take the Colorado heat over any of it.
Try being seven months pregnant in Denver in July, then get back to me, Walter.
| 707 |
bbuddha Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:08:33am |
re: #679 Walter L. Newton
And there you go pulling the "true scotsman" defense, which doesn't work. But, your comment above is the answer to my question, but not for the reason you think.
What do you mean "doesn't work" I think he was spot on. the only thing I would have added that he broke tradition by bowing (and low) to the saudi king. US president don't bow! and if it was just about respecting the host why didn't the Queen of England get the same bow?
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realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:08:43am |
Well y'all it's that time again - publication of The LGF List. Again, PLEASE notifiy me by E-Mail of any changes, additions or deletions which should be made to it.
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nyc redneck Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:09:29am |
re: #686 notamolly
You havent seen anything yet said the 0.
o hates america. certainly the system of gov't that we have. he is willing and eager to cause suffering to the american citizen to achieve his socialist "reforms".
he's not a people person, like any totalitarian, he wants power over people, any way he can get it. rules for radicals is sacred to him. the church of alinsky.
| 710 |
SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:09:31am |
re: #659 bbuddha
I think that is rose colored view. It would be nice if it was true as that would mean that my IRA's might recover before they disappeared.
In my view it is malice or ignorance. If it isn't malice then he's stupid enough not to realize that if they pass cap and tax and the medical nightmare it will destroy us
Cap & Trade is in serious trouble in the Senate. It is very important that everyone keep up pressure on their representatives and other key players so it can be derailed and killed there.
Boxer's committee, which is taking the lead on getting it passed in the Senate, had originally scheduled a committee vote on it by the end of July. She announced yesterday that any such vote has now been delayed - to the end of September, at the earliest. This indicates that there is massive opposition to the bill, even among Democrats. Most of it is coming from states with a huge dependence on coal-fired electrical generation; more is coming from states that employ a lot of oil and gas workers in various capacities. Their Senators are not stupid - their constituents are telling them to drive a stake through this legislation's heart so they can keep their jobs and afford their electric bills. I think there is an extremely good chance the bill will be defeated in the Senate, although that will certainly not be the end of it.
Nationalized health care is more difficult to call; there are varying levels of support for it on both sides of the aisle, although the particulars are extremely different. The question of costs is beginning to move to the front burner - pretty much all of the proposals are unsustainable from an economic standpoint, and supporters had been hoping to shove a bill through before anyone really noticed. The poor economy has had the unintended side effect, though, of focusing people's attention on insane, unworkable government spending programs, so the Dems may have shot themselves in the foot here. They are once again trying to rush it through the House so no one can see the details, claiming that it's passage is "urgent" despite having bounced around Congress in various forms for a couple of decades now. And as noted above, they are trying to divert attention from Congress' doings with bullshit about CIA misdeeds, which at the moment sounds like yet another crock; the former head of the CIA (name?) issued an emphatic denial of any wrongdoing, and said that he repeatedly briefed several members of Congress on everything the agency did - reminiscent of the Pelosi/waterboarding fiasco, it sounds like the Dems may get caught up in their own lies on this. It's release in the trough of the news cycle - late Saturday night - is suspicious all by itself.
Must attend to smoker; several rib racks and a pork shoulder are slowly approaching perfection.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:09:38am |
re: #701 realwest
YO - Quickjustice Where did you find a requirment by states that charities have malpractice insurance?
Link please?
There is no link but the discussion can be back-tracked starting at No. 629.
| 712 |
realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:09:40am |
Lizard Prayer List 7/12/09
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope
Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.
Part 1 of 3:
Community issues:
Blessing and protection over all of us during these times.
Our government
Our troops
Israel
Georgia/Ossetia
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice
The Iranian “dissidents”
Thanksgivings
mikeymom: sister recovering from a stroke; D-i-L’s stepdad – throat cancer; and
son of a good friend-50 yrs old- having 1/3 of face removed and reconstructed next week-cancer.
Uncle Rancher: 17-year-old nephew had treatment for melanoma
Afrocity Brown: outpatient surgery went very well
bbuddha: mother-in-law doing much better
HoosierHoops: son Jordan deployed to Japan instead of Afghanistan & grandchild on the way
Vxbush: health issues diagnosed
Wolfie: nephew (USAR-spec ops) got home from Iraq a couple of months ago safe and sound, and he and his wife are expecting their second child.
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans
Irish Rose – Son doing ok and out of danger from illness; automobile problems resolved.
MNSnowlizard - No need for further heart surgery, prayers for her and her family’s good health
Fluffy Bunny – tumor turned out to be benign!
RememberSekhmet – got a job!
(cont)
| 713 |
realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:10:20am |
Part 2 of 3:
Health issues:
Mikeymom: husband’s cousin's hubby just diagnosed w/lung and brain cancer
loppyd: Brother’s knee injury and future m-i-l’s broken hip.
vagabond trader: friend’s mother fighting cancer
littleoldlady: talloldman
Pietr: Aunt Doris in hospital with poor prognosis; b-i-l Roscoe undergoing Chemotherapy
J.D.: diagnosed friend's son as having a Glioma
Doppelganglander: Passing of sister, best friend Cindy diagnosed with MS
NY Nana: son-in-law’s mum, recovering from amputation
CapeCoddah: boss John R
Iron Fist: diabetes not improving
yma o hyd: glaucoma; may need surgery; arthritis
ArmyWife: FIL just diagnosed with leukemia; good friend’s daughter dealing with issues.
UberInfidel67 and other Lizards who are trying to quit smoking
Chicago Blonde: friend battling cancer
Macker: health issues and treatment
Hoppes: has sick children, lost her MIL, and is very stressed
UberInfidel67: brother’s health after polyps removal
Aussiemagpie: children with health issues
Walter Cronanty: son with recurrence of leukemia & recovering from bone marrow transplant.
logboy: recovery from injuries received in combat in Iraq
gettinby: sister diagnosed with Sjogren’s Syndrome
Pingjockey – cancer down by voice box.
tfc3rid: gf's 89 year old grandmother (suffered a large stroke and is in rehab) and her uncle who is suffering from throat cancer; and continued prayers for dad who has MS
twincitiesgirl: husband fighting cancer
Cato the elder: health issues
Josephine: daughter diagnosed with rare, chronic illness
jamsler: sister, just diagnosed with thyroid cancer; father, getting biopsy of a possible malignancy in his throat.
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: metastasizing prostate cancer; mom Type II diabetes
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain, having gone from bad to worse
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
/cont’d
| 714 |
n in wi Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:10:42am |
re: #689 MandyManners
The government does not run any charity. It gets its money through the threat of force.
That said, I suppose taxes are necessary. How else will roads be built?
The government certainly does run a charity. Just not by that name. it 's called welfare.
Not technically a charity,though as giving is not voluntary.
How would roads be built?
It's somewhat unconventional,but I would eliminate taxes on Oil companies,and tell them if they want their product used,build and maintain the roads where most of it is used.
Government has a conditional mandate to build postal roads,so I'm not whole-heartedly suggesting this,just some food for thought.
| 715 |
J.S. Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:11:06am |
re: #690 Walter L. Newton
(I think these types of arguments have been covered previously.) First, I don't believe it was "proper", let alone "correct", for Nancy Pelosi to run off to Syria and show up at Dear Dictator's place of residence, let alone be attired in a hijab. Second, there is, in the United States (as is true in other countries) an entire "Office of Protocol" which handles the procedures for state visits/functionaries, etc., what should or should not be done when meeting with individual X, etc., etc. Thus, there's the "no touchy the Queen of England", etc. There's also (was?) is the protocol that U.S. Presidents (since the time of Jefferson) do not bow to potentates. Third, speaking of "protocol", there's been a huge furor up here in Canada about Prime Ministers and "pocketing" the "host"...(I'd just as soon not bother with this)...But, yes, there are stated protocols, which (ideally) should be adhered to (imo).
| 716 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:11:49am |
re: #704 albusteve
my dad was a hardcore agnostic....nevertheless he smacked me around when I would not take off my cowboy hat when we visited this little church, marched me outside and left me there...he was very strict about these types of protocal and he was all about respect
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
A point well taken. And in my #615 Walter L. Newton, I point out the same thing. Michelle is showing proper respect to the Pope.
Too bad some of the wacky radical right don't see it the same way when out politicians are showing respect in following some sort of protocol in other countries, be it Islamic countries or whatever.
Nope, showing proper respect to Christian protocol ok, showing proper respect to Islamic protocols, bad.
Just like we were discussing yesterday, not all of Islam is radical, not all is bad, so, what is wrong with showing respect?
| 717 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:12:13am |
re: #710 SixDegrees
Cap & Trade is in serious trouble in the Senate. It is very important that everyone keep up pressure on their representatives and other key players so it can be derailed and killed there.
Boxer's committee, which is taking the lead on getting it passed in the Senate, had originally scheduled a committee vote on it by the end of July. She announced yesterday that any such vote has now been delayed - to the end of September, at the earliest. This indicates that there is massive opposition to the bill, even among Democrats. Most of it is coming from states with a huge dependence on coal-fired electrical generation; more is coming from states that employ a lot of oil and gas workers in various capacities. Their Senators are not stupid - their constituents are telling them to drive a stake through this legislation's heart so they can keep their jobs and afford their electric bills. I think there is an extremely good chance the bill will be defeated in the Senate, although that will certainly not be the end of it.
Nationalized health care is more difficult to call; there are varying levels of support for it on both sides of the aisle, although the particulars are extremely different. The question of costs is beginning to move to the front burner - pretty much all of the proposals are unsustainable from an economic standpoint, and supporters had been hoping to shove a bill through before anyone really noticed. The poor economy has had the unintended side effect, though, of focusing people's attention on insane, unworkable government spending programs, so the Dems may have shot themselves in the foot here. They are once again trying to rush it through the House so no one can see the details, claiming that it's passage is "urgent" despite having bounced around Congress in various forms for a couple of decades now. And as noted above, they are trying to divert attention from Congress' doings with bullshit about CIA misdeeds, which at the moment sounds like yet another crock; the former head of the CIA (name?) issued an emphatic denial of any wrongdoing, and said that he repeatedly briefed several members of Congress on everything the agency did - reminiscent of the Pelosi/waterboarding fiasco, it sounds like the Dems may get caught up in their own lies on this. It's release in the trough of the news cycle - late Saturday night - is suspicious all by itself.
Must attend to smoker; several rib racks and a pork shoulder are slowly approaching perfection.
Maybe Holder's rumblings about persecuting Pres. Bush in that Newsweek article is a reaction to the trouble Cap and Trade is having in the Senate: either go along with economic redistribution or I'll haul your ass to court over trumped-up charges.
| 718 |
realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:12:19am |
Lizard Prayer List, cont’d:
Family, friend, and life situations:
Fat Bastard Vegetarian – Mother’s cancer has returned
Kawfytawk: the Springle family, who lost their father in Iraq.
Dustyvet: sudden loss of sister
loppyd: friend’s personal problems
Kawfytawk: caring for father
Teacake: emotional healing
BaseballMom57: husband’s passing; prayers for especially for their children.
ChildofMary: passing of husband, ElderZionist
US Beast: passing of mother
Vxbush: Lesion on Liver near vein, MRI scheduled; and one Lizard friend dealing with big issues
Army Green since '92: post has lost three soldiers in Afghanistan;
yma o hyd: death of dear friend Annie; ease the grief of friend who lost her husband of 59 years
Taqiyyotomist: strength in difficult times
FBV: that the unknowns find fulfillment
Vxbush: daughter’s financial issues
Yochanan: son in IDF
Bcgirl: sponsored child, Alia in Egypt
Wyatt Earp: Uncle Joe; prostate cancer returned
West Texas: brother’s decision
Victor_yugo: job
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: mom home from the hospital but may be regressing
A Kiwi Infidel: Natasha and her husband mourning the loss of the younger child.
MandyManners: Mother seriously ill and in hospital.
Cast Iron Magnolia: nephew, David, who's a Marine serving in Iraq
HHC 2-2 SCR: for those we lost and their family and friends and for thanks for those that are finally back and one for the safety of those still waiting to return.
lightsout: to make a wise decision
BeerDrinking VictoryMonkey: strength to overcome a personal issue, and for wisdom in discerning another one
Flynmudd: son deployed to Middle East
x-wing: son diagnosed with Asperger’s (mild autism)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
jcm: new 7th month foster daughter (previous foster daughter went to live with her grandma)
Josephine: painful loss
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Coz: Brother in law and wife in horrible motorcycle accident; wife passed away.
Pvt Bin Jammin – BIL’s son has Liver Cancer
soxfan4life – Uncle had heart attack, undergoing by-pass surgery
Sharmuta - Grandfather in hospital – blood poisoning
3 wood – Dana, friend of 3 wood and family, passed of cancer and is now in the arms of the Lord. Please pray for her 2 small children and husband."
ChristheProfessor – lost his brother to cancer recently.
Mamacares – health issues for a family member
Conservatisimnow – kidney stones and other related matters.
Lizards with family issues
Irish Rose: Lost job
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
Dianna: - mother- best possible outcome is hoped for.
GotC: strength for kids and her dealing with EH.
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
In Memoriam
Dublin(CA)Dude
USMC 1968
ElderZion
Obi Wan
All our Troops who have died protecting our Freedom and their families.
Again, it'd be much appreciated if y'all could e-mail me (nics in blue) with any changes, additions or deletions to The List. Thank you.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:12:47am |
re: #703 MandyManners
Why was that area chosen for the capitol?
It started as a swamp. Perhaps the forefathers new some 200 plus years later it would STILL be one!
j/k , many wanted it to be NYC. But in their wisdom they knew it had to be somewhere "neutral" Even back then there was a wide divide between what the southern states needed/ wanted from a gov't as opposed to the northern ones. Putting it in NYC or Philly or Boston would have "looked" like a northern advantage
| 720 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:12:48am |
Mini me wants to go dog paddling.
L8R.
| 721 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:13:04am |
re: #715 J.S.
(I think these types of arguments have been covered previously.) First, I don't believe it was "proper", let alone "correct", for Nancy Pelosi to run off to Syria and show up at Dear Dictator's place of residence, let alone be attired in a hijab. Second, there is, in the United States (as is true in other countries) an entire "Office of Protocol" which handles the procedures for state visits/functionaries, etc., what should or should not be done when meeting with individual X, etc., etc. Thus, there's the "no touchy the Queen of England", etc. There's also (was?) is the protocol that U.S. Presidents (since the time of Jefferson) do not bow to potentates. Third, speaking of "protocol", there's been a huge furor up here in Canada about Prime Ministers and "pocketing" the "host"...(I'd just as soon not bother with this)...But, yes, there are stated protocols, which (ideally) should be adhered to (imo).
So, then, you would say it's not proper for Michelle to cover her head and arms when having an audience with the Pope?
| 722 |
legalpad Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:13:38am |
re: #699 Walter L. Newton
Morning Mandy... the heat of Denver, that's not heat, that's a wonderful, dry, embrace of mother nature's natural sweater :)
I was born in Brooklyn, live in New Jersey, lived all over Texas, have family in New Orleans, and I've visited Western Europe enough times, and I'll take the Colorado heat over any of it.
In fact, Walter, get back with all of us if you get pregnant at all.
| 723 |
SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:14:19am |
re: #670 Lincolntf
Wifey just pulled out "Joy of Cooking" and is making a first attempt at potatoes au gratin. Should be interesting.
Allow me to introduce you and the wife to the best au gratin potatoes in the known universe.
Not lo-cal. And you need one of those mandoline thingys to do them right. But, damn, are they good.
| 724 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:15:23am |
re: #714 n in wi
The government certainly does run a charity. Just not by that name. it 's called welfare.
Not technically a charity,though as giving is not voluntary.
How would roads be built?
It's somewhat unconventional,but I would eliminate taxes on Oil companies,and tell them if they want their product used,build and maintain the roads where most of it is used.Government has a conditional mandate to build postal roads,so I'm not whole-heartedly suggesting this,just some food for thought.
I'm speaking strictly in terms of the proper definition of the word "charity".
What you would have the oil companies do would be the same as a tax.
| 725 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:15:35am |
re: #707 bbuddha
What do you mean "doesn't work" I think he was spot on. the only thing I would have added that he broke tradition by bowing (and low) to the saudi king. US president don't bow! and if it was just about respecting the host why didn't the Queen of England get the same bow?
Let's stay on point. Michelle covered her arms and head when having an audience with the Pope. I don't hear anyone complaining. Pelosi and Hillary cover their heads, in countries where there is no separation of religion and state, where is is proper protocol to do so and the wacky radical right go crazy.
Why? Stick to my original question. Why?
| 726 |
J.S. Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:16:19am |
re: #721 Walter L. Newton
How did you derive that? The protocol is not only to be veiled, but to dress in black as well. That is the protocol when visiting the pope. As I stated in the previous post: "But, yes, there are stated protocols, which (ideally) should be adhered to (imo)."
| 727 |
Lincolntf Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:16:24am |
re: #723 SixDegrees
Those look damn good. I'd show the pic to my wife but I don't want to add any undue pressure.
| 728 |
n in wi Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:16:36am |
re: #719 sattv4u2
Wasn't the Whitehorse,maybe by another name, in Philly originally? Or am I thinking of something else ?
| 729 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:17:31am |
re: #719 sattv4u2
It started as a swamp. Perhaps the forefathers new some 200 plus years later it would STILL be one!
j/k , many wanted it to be NYC. But in their wisdom they knew it had to be somewhere "neutral" Even back then there was a wide divide between what the southern states needed/ wanted from a gov't as opposed to the northern ones. Putting it in NYC or Philly or Boston would have "looked" like a northern advantage
I'm talking about land near where it is located that was NOT a swamp.
| 730 |
SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:17:33am |
re: #717 MandyManners
Maybe Holder's rumblings about persecuting Pres. Bush in that Newsweek article is a reaction to the trouble Cap and Trade is having in the Senate: either go along with economic redistribution or I'll haul your ass to court over trumped-up charges.
I think it is, but I think it's more an attempt at distraction than an outright threat. As noted, the CIA thing is already falling apart; it sounds like it's going to turn out that the Dems doing all the squawking about "secret" CIA activities were thoroughly briefed on them all along, just like Pelosi was completely informed about waterboarding, right down to detailed specifics.
| 731 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:17:35am |
re: #706 MandyManners
Try being seven months pregnant in Denver in July, then get back to me, Walter.
Sorry Mandy, I missed the pregnant part. That would be uncomfortable.
| 732 |
albusteve Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:17:45am |
re: #716 Walter L. Newton
A point well taken. And in my #615 Walter L. Newton, I point out the same thing. Michelle is showing proper respect to the Pope.
Too bad some of the wacky radical right don't see it the same way when out politicians are showing respect in following some sort of protocol in other countries, be it Islamic countries or whatever.
Nope, showing proper respect to Christian protocol ok, showing proper respect to Islamic protocols, bad.
Just like we were discussing yesterday, not all of Islam is radical, not all is bad, so, what is wrong with showing respect?
I think people confuse it with weakness which is bullshit...toughness or strength does not come from some perceived notion...bluster does not get anything accomplished...it's not complicated...take off your fucking hat, it does not make you weak
| 733 |
J.S. Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:18:18am |
re: #725 Walter L. Newton
Nancy Pelosi's visit to Syria was NOT, repeat NOT, a "state visit." It was of her own volition.
| 734 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:18:33am |
re: #726 J.S.
How did you derive that? The protocol is not only to be veiled, but to dress in black as well. That is the protocol when visiting the pope. As I stated in the previous post: "But, yes, there are stated protocols, which (ideally) should be adhered to (imo)."
I'm sorry, I may be confusing my answers to certain other comments.
| 736 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:20:15am |
re: #730 SixDegrees
I think it is, but I think it's more an attempt at distraction than an outright threat. As noted, the CIA thing is already falling apart; it sounds like it's going to turn out that the Dems doing all the squawking about "secret" CIA activities were thoroughly briefed on them all along, just like Pelosi was completely informed about waterboarding, right down to detailed specifics.
I hope that's all it is.
| 737 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:20:16am |
re: #733 J.S.
Nancy Pelosi's visit to Syria was NOT, repeat NOT, a "state visit." It was of her own volition.
SO WHAT. Are you Catholic? If you are not, and were offered a visit with the pope, and you were (are?) a woman, and you knew it was protocol to cover you arms and head, would you?
| 738 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:21:14am |
re: #728 n in wi
Wasn't the Whitehorse,maybe by another name, in Philly originally? Or am I thinking of something else ?
NYC, iirc
| 739 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:21:33am |
re: #731 Walter L. Newton
Sorry Mandy, I missed the pregnant part. That would be uncomfortable.
No matter where you live, you have an additional, internal engine generating heat. I lived in mumus for months.
| 740 |
jaunte Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:22:05am |
re: #729 MandyManners
I'm talking about land near where it is located that was NOT a swamp.
Here's an interesting page about Washington DC's early development:
Actually, defining swamp and marsh as geographical features, the latter being reeds in shallow water bordering a river and the former being standing water in forests and fields, one would have to say that Boston, New York, Philadelphia and Baltimore are far better described as being built on a swamp than Washington. However, since those cities were planned on a much smaller scale, and were built more slowly and deliberately, they escape that imputation so commonly applied to Washington. Their swamps and marshes were transformed as the need for that land arose.
[Link: www.geocities.com...]
| 741 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:22:58am |
re: #729 MandyManners
I'm talking about land near where it is located that was NOT a swamp.
That "land near" was already part of Virginia and/ or Maryland. The "swampland" was basically unhinhabital, unclaimed, unwanted
| 742 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:23:08am |
re: #733 J.S.
Nancy Pelosi's visit to Syria was NOT, repeat NOT, a "state visit." It was of her own volition.
And (and I may be mistaken), I don't think there is any long-term written protocol for visits to thug dictators, whereas the protocol when meeting the Pope has been in existence for a very long time.
Walter - the issue is protocol, not whether a particular person's arms or head is covered.
Pelosi covered her head, not because it's required of visitors, but because she wanted to show "respect" for the dictator. I don't care about the fact that she covered her head; but I don't have to like her mind-set, that says she should pay "respect" to a thug.
| 743 |
realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:23:29am |
It seems to me that Obama, Holder and the Democrats ought to take into consideration that what goes around DOES INDEED tend to come around.
To even THREATEN to prosecute Bush administration personnel - especially lawyers who merely wrote legal opinions, for example - much less actually do anything, whether for real or as a semi-slick way to avoid scrutiny and debate on legistlative programs could wind up with Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Reid and Waxman, amongst others, being investigated by some future Republican administration.
And frankly, although it's true that Obama's "socialist agenda" regarding the automobile industry, the Banking Industry, the Financial Services industry, the Real Estate Industry and perhaps the Energy (utility) industry and the Health care industry (adds up to, I think, about 40% of GNP) is anathema to me (to say nothing of his nothing foreign policy), I'm getting REALLY FUCKING TIRED OF HIS ->>>>> Look over there! routine when trying to pass contentious legislation.
Now that he has that great statesman Al Franken in the Senate, the only reason why I think he's playing this nationalized version of three card monte is he doesn't want the DEMOCRATS to have to take full responsibility if his programs don't make it.
| 744 |
apachegunner Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:23:49am |
re: #728 n in wi
Wasn't the Whitehorse,maybe by another name, in Philly originally? Or am I thinking of something else ?
yes n, whitehouse comes to mind
| 745 |
Gang of One Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:24:05am |
re: #738 sattv4u2
NYC, iirc
Whitehorse Tavern, on Hudson Ave and West 11th. Been there since 1880. Haven't been there in a few years. Might go tonight with my Mexico City buddy in town doing a summer at Fordham U. in midtown.
| 746 |
realwest Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:25:24am |
Well y'all it's been interesting - for those of you who gave me the requisite space to post The List, thank you very much.
There have been changes y'all - if you haven't read it, I do wish you would.
But I gotta go now, chores to do and all that jazz.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
| 749 |
pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:26:25am |
Mornin' all. Who is Congressman Eric Cantor and why is he on Chris Wallaces' show as a spokesman for the repubs? Is he a voice of sanity? Or another far, far right nutjob?
| 750 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:26:55am |
re: #730 SixDegrees
In regards to our discussion yesterday, I doubled checked, looking for Hebrew scriptural reference of commands to commit violence that were universal, eternal, that were in effect to this very day, commands that were beholden to the Jews to continue to carry out and I still couldn't find any.
Yesterday you indicated to me that you were aware of some, or that you understood that it was the case and I thought you were going to point me to them?
Did I miss your response?
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J.S. Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:27:20am |
re: #737 Walter L. Newton
There have been for centuries (I'm sure I'm not telling you any new here) protocols about relationships between different (usually European) states (volumes written on diplomatic procedures, hosting foreign dignitaries, meeting leaders, etc., etc.) Usually, to avoid embarrassment, a leader of a state will be given advice (his advisers explain what the protocols are -- so then the leader can follow those protocols, and thus, not bring about a "faux pas" or do something hideously embarrassing -- such as a Prime Minister at a State Funeral, during a Catholic Mass, pocketing the "host.") Anyway, "no," I'm not Catholic, but "yes," one should follow the protocol of women being dressed in black, veiling, etc., when visiting the pope.
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pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:28:12am |
Shit! Just get here and RW is here and gone!
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nyc redneck Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:28:46am |
re: #721 Walter L. Newton
So, then, you would say it's not proper for Michelle to cover her head and arms when having an audience with the Pope?
walter the bottom line is i'm in favor of showing as little respect to the enemy as i have to. yes, i'm that petty because little things do make a difference. it is a way of holding the line. for example, o's bow to the saudi king. isn't it interesting that it didn't occur to the saudi king to bow to o. most people who criticized pelosi for going to syria saw it as a betrayal of the u.s. these are the messages sent by over indulging the expectations of those who would bring us down. and no one is going to attack wab for wearing a head covering when she is supposed to just to be politically correct. we don't have time for that nonsense.
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n in wi Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:29:13am |
re: #741 sattv4u2
That "land near" was already part of Virginia and/ or Maryland. The "swampland" was basically unhinhabital, unclaimed, unwanted
Fitting that the land where the White house was built on started out "unwanted",and now the policies coming out of there are "unwanted"
| 755 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:30:38am |
re: #751 J.S.
There have been for centuries (I'm sure I'm not telling you any new here) protocols about relationships between different (usually European) states (volumes written on diplomatic procedures, hosting foreign dignitaries, meeting leaders, etc., etc.) Usually, to avoid embarrassment, a leader of a state will be given advice (his advisers explain what the protocols are -- so then the leader can follow those protocols, and thus, not bring about a "faux pas" or do something hideously embarrassing -- such as a Prime Minister at a State Funeral, during a Catholic Mass, pocketing the "host.") Anyway, "no," I'm not Catholic, but "yes," one should follow the protocol of women being dressed in black, veiling, etc., when visiting the pope.
So, should we complain when we see Pelosi or Hillary or some other important citizen of our country following these protocols (or even just cultural suggestions of proper conduct)?
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pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:30:51am |
Question here, seeing the discussion. Is protocol why Michelle was in black with a head scarf to see the pope? I thought someone had died. That's what the outfit looked like.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:31:25am |
re: #753 nyc redneck
walter the bottom line is i'm in favor of showing as little respect to the enemy as i have to. yes, i'm that petty because little things do make a difference. it is a way of holding the line. for example, o's bow to the saudi king. isn't it interesting that it didn't occur to the saudi king to bow to o. most people who criticized pelosi for going to syria saw it as a betrayal of the u.s. these are the messages sent by over indulging the expectations of those who would bring us down. and no one is going to attack wab for wearing a head covering when she is supposed to just to be politically correct. we don't have time for that nonsense.
Ok, noted, I don't agree.
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bbuddha Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:31:32am |
bbl, my better half wants to go shopping. Can't pass that up.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:33:24am |
WARNING -
There is a large bull on interstate 76 near Wiggins. If you are traveling through Colorado this moment, and in that vicinity, please be extra careful.
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J.S. Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:33:28am |
re: #755 Walter L. Newton
Most of these matters need to be determined by the larger context...Was it a state function? were there prescribed protocols? etc. So, the answer is, "it all depends." (no hard and fast rule).
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wahabicorridor Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:34:56am |
re: #749 pingjockey
Mornin' all. Who is Congressman Eric Cantor and why is he on Chris Wallaces' show as a spokesman for the repubs? Is he a voice of sanity? Or another far, far right nutjob?
Congressman from my great adopted state of Virginia - quite sane, actually.
| 763 |
pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:35:01am |
re: #760 Walter L. Newton
Mwahahaha! That'll be entertaining.
We had an emu jailbreak out here a few years ago. Cops, cowboys trying to round up pissed off emus.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:36:06am |
re: #763 pingjockey
Mwahahaha! That'll be entertaining.
We had an emu jailbreak out here a few years ago. Cops, cowboys trying to round up pissed off emus.
I know what you mean, when the emo freaks start getting all emo, it's a real pain.
| 766 |
n in wi Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:36:26am |
re: #760 Walter L. Newton
WARNING -
There is a large bull on interstate 76 near Wiggins. If you are traveling through Colorado this moment, and in that vicinity, please be extra careful.
If you are traveling through CO.,or anywhere,at this moment, turn off the laptop.
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pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:37:13am |
re: #765 Walter L. Newton
Heh. Some folks up in Omak, WA. have been farming emus and they got through the fence.
| 768 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:38:45am |
re: #767 pingjockey
Heh. Some folks up in Omak, WA. have been farming emus and they got through the fence.
I'm moving up hill tomorrow, 8000 feet in the Rockies. All sorts of critters roaming around there, mountain lions, bear, deer, hippies.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:39:16am |
re: #762 wahabicorridor
Congressman from my great adopted state of Virginia - quite sane, actually.
Didn't he vote for the stimulus?
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:40:49am |
re: #768 Walter L. Newton
I'm moving up hill tomorrow, 8000 feet in the Rockies. All sorts of critters roaming around there, mountain lions, bear, deer, hippies.
Too bad you can't shoot the hippies with tranquilizer darts and relocate them.
Oh, no. Wait. The cities are filled with enough hippies but, they are now wearing suits.
Never mind. Keep your hippies.
| 772 |
pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:40:56am |
re: #768 Walter L. Newton
Oh my! Leavenworth WA aka tourist central has deer and mountain lions in town. A lot of the Seattle folks that have moved there get quite upset when muffy/fluffy, etc...Little foo foo dogs get turned into a mountain lion snack. They don't realize they are in the critters domain!
| 773 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:42:34am |
We still have our feral pigs running around this vincinity. The traps are ready. Thank goodness I don't have cops walking around the yard with rifles.
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pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:42:54am |
re: #771 MandyManners
Mornin' Mandy. How's summer vacation and the kid getting along?
My 9 yr old is 'bored'. nothing to do! So I gave him some 4th grade work books. Suddenly he's not bored!
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pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:43:44am |
re: #773 MandyManners
Your traps or is fish and game gonna trap them?
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:44:54am |
re: #774 pingjockey
Mornin' Mandy. How's summer vacation and the kid getting along?
My 9 yr old is 'bored'. nothing to do! So I gave him some 4th grade work books. Suddenly he's not bored!
He has the books but, he prefers the site the school signed up for.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:46:12am |
re: #770 MandyManners
no clue. I'll see if I can find out (I'm not in his district)
| 778 |
pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:46:17am |
re: #776 MandyManners
That's good. There are a couple of websites his teachers recommended and he has been there. Not much, but some.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:46:54am |
re: #775 pingjockey
Your traps or is fish and game gonna trap them?
Animal control. If they were my traps, I'd try to find somewhere where they could live out their lives. It quite unnerved me to see the cops walking around with rifles. I understand that feral pigs are dangerous but, golly gee.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:49:03am |
re: #770 MandyManners
Didn't he vote for the stimulus?
Rep. John Boehner and Rep. Eric Cantor urged their caucus to oppose the stimulus-a-palooza when it comes to the floor tomorrow.
Cantor led a working group that came up with a "House Republican Economic Recovery Plan", which they released on Friday in one-page summary form. I received an e-mailed copy of a two-page version of the plan.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:49:36am |
re: #777 wahabicorridor
no clue. I'll see if I can find out (I'm not in his district)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:49:36am |
re: #779 MandyManners
You folks have that many feral pigs? They can be quite destructive. I suppose seeing cops with rifles could be unsettling. One of the deputy sherrifs here got quite a ribbing. Mountain lion got into a citizens garage, killed a dog and wouldn't come out. The sheriff went in and shot 10 rounds off to kill that lion! Not very good shooting!
| 783 |
J.S. Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:50:52am |
re: #757 Walter L. Newton
(btw, about Assad/Syrian thug, etc., and hijabs -- there's a video clip of Dianne Sawyer kow-towing to Assad, and Sawyer is without a hijab. Are you outraged?)
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:51:37am |
re: #782 pingjockey
You folks have that many feral pigs? They can be quite destructive. I suppose seeing cops with rifles could be unsettling. One of the deputy sherrifs here got quite a ribbing. Mountain lion got into a citizens garage, killed a dog and wouldn't come out. The sheriff went in and shot 10 rounds off to kill that lion! Not very good shooting!
Ten rounds!
We know of three right now but, this area is heavily wooded. No one knew those three existed until they popped up in my yard.
| 785 |
SurferDoc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:52:15am |
re: #782 pingjockey
You folks have that many feral pigs? They can be quite destructive. I suppose seeing cops with rifles could be unsettling. One of the deputy sherrifs here got quite a ribbing. Mountain lion got into a citizens garage, killed a dog and wouldn't come out. The sheriff went in and shot 10 rounds off to kill that lion! Not very good shooting!
Mountain lion in a garage? I'd be none too thrilled about having to go in there and damn glad I got him no matter how many shots it took. A kill is a kill.
| 786 |
pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:52:22am |
re: #784 MandyManners
3 isn't bad, but feral pigs breed like rabbits.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:53:16am |
re: #772 pingjockey
Oh my! Leavenworth WA aka tourist central has deer and mountain lions in town. A lot of the Seattle folks that have moved there get quite upset when muffy/fluffy, etc...Little foo foo dogs get turned into a mountain lion snack. They don't realize they are in the critters domain!
I know what you mean. Most of the people in the hills around here have a healthy respect of the natural critters that they live among.
And then you have the idiots, both tourists and residents that are just to selfish to understand the pecking order, and they are the ones that usually get to bury Foo-foo the dog or Puff-puff the cat.
| 788 |
pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:53:53am |
re: #785 SurferDoc
We live out here in the sticks and 10 rounds from a .40 semiauto is a bit much to most peoples thinking! I'd of had my but tanned by granpa if I'd used that many rounds!
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:54:45am |
re: #783 J.S.
(btw, about Assad/Syrian thug, etc., and hijabs -- there's a video clip of Dianne Sawyer kow-towing to Assad, and Sawyer is without a hijab. Are you outraged?)
No, I'm not outraged if you do or don't cover you head, or follow protocol, or this or that. What bothers me is when the outrage is one sided, silly partisan petty people.
That's what bothers me.
| 790 |
pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:55:05am |
re: #787 Walter L. Newton
They either get pissed that said critter was doing its natural thing or they think wild animals are like the ones in a petting zoo. Idiots.
| 791 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:55:44am |
re: #786 pingjockey
3 isn't bad, but feral pigs breed like rabbits.
Too bad they're not as cute and cuddly as bunnies. No one would care.
| 792 |
pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:56:35am |
re: #791 MandyManners
Heh. If said cute bunnies devastated your garden you might feel different!
| 793 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:56:46am |
re: #790 pingjockey
They either get pissed that said critter was doing its natural thing or they think wild animals are like the ones in a petting zoo. Idiots.
That's when Darwin pays a visit.
| 795 |
pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:58:13am |
re: #793 MandyManners
Yep. I think of that fool who was in Alaska hanging out with the bears or the damn fool tourists at Yellowstone stopping to see the bears or the bison along the road!
| 796 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:59:22am |
re: #792 pingjockey
Heh. If said cute bunnies devastated your garden you might feel different!
I've had problems with bunnies, squirrels and deer. They really like the squash blooms.
| 797 |
pingjockey Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:59:38am |
Off to wally world. The pup has ate his 3rd remote control!
| 798 |
MandyManners Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:59:57am |
re: #795 pingjockey
Yep. I think of that fool who was in Alaska hanging out with the bears or the damn fool tourists at Yellowstone stopping to see the bears or the bison along the road!
Didn't he get et?
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SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:00:55am |
re: #750 Walter L. Newton
In regards to our discussion yesterday, I doubled checked, looking for Hebrew scriptural reference of commands to commit violence that were universal, eternal, that were in effect to this very day, commands that were beholden to the Jews to continue to carry out and I still couldn't find any.
Yesterday you indicated to me that you were aware of some, or that you understood that it was the case and I thought you were going to point me to them?
Did I miss your response?
Yes, I posted a couple of links of examples.
As to whether or not such passages are in effect to this very day - that is a matter of interpretation.
Which was my entire point.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:01:34am |
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SurferDoc Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:01:56am |
re: #788 pingjockey
We live out here in the sticks and 10 rounds from a .40 semiauto is a bit much to most peoples thinking! I'd of had my but tanned by granpa if I'd used that many rounds!
Hmmm. I'm a pretty good pistolero and I'm thinking three or four shots from a .45 to do the job with finality. Assuming the lion stands still and my hands aren't shaking too much from being in a garage with a goddam mountain lion. It takes what it takes, Granpa nothwithstanding.
Granpa used to tell me how hot shit he was with his .32-20, too.
| 802 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:03:00am |
re: #789 Walter L. Newton
No, I'm not outraged if you do or don't cover you head, or follow protocol, or this or that. What bothers me is when the outrage is one sided, silly partisan petty people.
That's what bothers me.
I believe there are times when it is perfectly appropriate to make rational distinctions.
And distinguishing between our President and his wife following protocol that has been in place for hundreds of years (regardless of who it is, the Pope or anyone else), vs. a congress-critter who takes it upon herself to create her own protocol (covering her head), not because it is required but because she wants to curry favor with a thug dictator, is perfectly reasonable as these are two vastly different things.
| 803 |
itellu3times Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:05:34am |
re: #749 pingjockey
Mornin' all. Who is Congressman Eric Cantor and why is he on Chris Wallaces' show as a spokesman for the repubs? Is he a voice of sanity? Or another far, far right nutjob?
He's young and not totally nuts and the party is trying him out for future promotions.
So far, I'm not impressed.
| 804 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:05:54am |
re: #799 SixDegrees
Yes, I posted a couple of links of examples.
As to whether or not such passages are in effect to this very day - that is a matter of interpretation.
Which was my entire point.
Of course they are not in effect today. Name me ONE Jewish leader who even interprets one of the Hebrew scriptural command to commit violence as a command that is still in effect.
You can't. And I said Jewish leader, not some nut case with 3 followers sitting someone in Brooklyn New York.
And I cannot find your links to those examples, can you give me a head start, because I looked, in each thread yesterday, I can't seem to find them.
And I am not defending either religion, but facts are facts and you don't have them.
| 805 |
Shr_Nfr Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:09:05am |
Rasmussen presidential survey out 28 min ago. Strong approves down, strong disapproves down. Stuck at -7. Total approves picks up a point from total disapproves. Swing is still only a couple percent though.
| 806 |
Irish Rose Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:10:16am |
Good morning, dear friends!
I'm hopelessly out of the loop and have been for the last week. I'm never going to catch up on the news, so I guess I'll just start fresh.
How's everyone?
| 807 |
Shr_Nfr Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:11:19am |
re: #795 pingjockey
The scientists who did the research on bears by taking rectal temperatures on them while they hibernated has by respect though.
| 808 |
SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:14:35am |
re: #804 Walter L. Newton
Of course they are not in effect today. Name me ONE Jewish leader who even interprets one of the Hebrew scriptural command to commit violence as a command that is still in effect.
You can't. And I said Jewish leader, not some nut case with 3 followers sitting someone in Brooklyn New York.
And I cannot find your links to those examples, can you give me a head start, because I looked, in each thread yesterday, I can't seem to find them.
And I am not defending either religion, but facts are facts and you don't have them.
Since you seem intent on excluding any and all examples I might give, I'm not seeing much point in this exercise.
If you're claiming that no one interprets such passages today in the way a toilet-paper-tube view of the passage might suggest, that is exactly the point I was making. If you're claiming that interpretation both change and vary from individual to individual, community to community, sect to sect, and over time, that, too, is exactly the point I was making.
| 809 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:14:48am |
re: #799 SixDegrees
Yes, I posted a couple of links of examples.
As to whether or not such passages are in effect to this very day - that is a matter of interpretation.
Which was my entire point.
I just did another search. Still can't find your links that you posted. Don't know what happened to them?
| 810 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:14:56am |
re: #805 Shr_Nfr
Rasmussen presidential survey out 28 min ago. Strong approves down, strong disapproves down. Stuck at -7. Total approves picks up a point from total disapproves. Swing is still only a couple percent though.
Not surprising. Since the end of the G 8 there's been no real "news" and he's still was out of the country. well within the margin of error
Now that he's back in Washington the slide will continue, imho
| 811 |
itellu3times Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:16:52am |
re: #809 Walter L. Newton
I just did another search. Still can't find your links that you posted. Don't know what happened to them?
I can't find them either. Profile says no links posted. Hard to read search results looking for links in messages.
| 812 |
tradewind Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:17:24am |
re: #810 sattv4u2
Nasty as they are, you have to give the ChiComs props for having the sense to bug out of there early....
| 813 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:17:30am |
re: #799 SixDegrees
Yes, I posted a couple of links of examples.
As to whether or not such passages are in effect to this very day - that is a matter of interpretation.
Which was my entire point.
And another point, so are you also saying that the most violent commands in the Koran are ALSO open to interpretation? I'm confused.
| 814 |
SummerSong Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:17:49am |
re: #553 freetoken
My goodness. I can almost see the implants (in her face) and the massive amounts of dermal filler. I wonder if her face is numb.
| 815 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:21:09am |
re: #811 itellu3times
I can't find them either. Profile says no links posted. Hard to read search results looking for links in messages.
Well, I will go as far as suggesting that Six Degress did not post links to any passages in the Hebrew scripture that contains commands to Jews to continue some violent act till eternity, till the end of times, at the fear of damnation and hellfire.
And, as many know, I'm an atheist, so, the only dog I have in this fight is facts. And Six Degrees has not even come close to proving his points that he made yesterday.
| 816 |
apachegunner Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:21:34am |
re: #811 itellu3times
I can't find them either. Profile says no links posted. Hard to read search results looking for links in messages.
Checking my profile I see I have posted no links, although over the years i have posted more than several. whats that all about?.
| 817 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:21:55am |
re: #814 SummerSong
My goodness. I can almost see the implants (in her face) and the massive amounts of dermal filler. I wonder if her face is numb.
Is that a robot? I like robots.
| 818 |
nyc redneck Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:22:31am |
re: #814 SummerSong
My goodness. I can almost see the implants (in her face) and the massive amounts of dermal filler. I wonder if her face is numb.
omg'
gravity is already sinking the cheek implants.
it is painful to look at her. how sad.
| 819 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:22:56am |
re: #812 tradewind
Nasty as they are, you have to give the ChiComs props for having the sense to bug out of there early....
That had more to do with the riots back 'home" than anything else
| 820 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:22:59am |
re: #816 apachegunner
Checking my profile I see I have posted no links, although over the years i have posted more than several. whats that all about?.
What ever the case, I searched all comments that Six Degrees left yesterday, and I find none that are an answer to a question that I put to him yesterday.
| 821 |
wahabicorridor Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:23:03am |
re: #814 SummerSong
My goodness. I can almost see the implants (in her face) and the massive amounts of dermal filler. I wonder if her face is numb.
Although that pic certainly looks like she's had something done (don't know when it was taken) I saw her in person around 1988. That really is her nose and she really was jaw-droppingly beautiful - and surprisingly tiny.
| 822 |
SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:23:15am |
re: #800 Walter L. Newton
All I was saying is contained in my comment #615 Walter L. Newton.
I was just noting the lack of "outrage" that Michelle was "covering" up for the Pope. Gee, do you think it's because he's represents a Christian church.
Hypocrites.
On the subject of protocols: does anyone have background on the statement that American Presidents never bow, as part of some long-standing tradition? Because 0's scrape before Abdullah is the first I've ever heard of such a tradition, and I can't find anything to back it up other than blog entries. Likewise, is there any reference on the related claim that bowing before the Saudi King, in particular, is a gesture of acknowledged inferiority and subservience? This is a claim that pops up slightly later on the blogs mentioned, after several people noted that Bush I, and probably other Presidents, bow to their Japanese counterparts, but that this is somehow different because it is an acknowledgment of equality? A reference to an actual political protocol or history site unattached to a particular political viewpoint would be welcome.
My own feeling on 0's trip to Saudi Arabia is that he missed an opportunity to call out Our Friends the Saudis on their support of Wahabism, both politically and financially. This is a far more important issue than the millions of words spilled over The Bow, to my way of thinking.
| 823 |
wahabicorridor Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:23:31am |
re: #816 apachegunner
Checking my profile I see I have posted no links, although over the years i have posted more than several. whats that all about?.
spinoff links, I think
| 824 |
itellu3times Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:23:36am |
re: #816 apachegunner
Checking my profile I see I have posted no links, although over the years i have posted more than several. whats that all about?.
I dunno, mine says 38 links, which sounds about right.
| 825 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:23:46am |
re: #816 apachegunner
Checking my profile I see I have posted no links, although over the years i have posted more than several. whats that all about?.
The number of links posted in your profile has to do with the number of spin-off links you've posted, not links within comments.
| 826 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:24:40am |
re: #822 SixDegrees
Gee, I would like you to finish our last conversation before we get into another!
| 827 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:25:22am |
re: #822 SixDegrees
On the subject of protocols: does anyone have background on the statement that American Presidents never bow, as part of some long-standing tradition? Because 0's scrape before Abdullah is the first I've ever heard of such a tradition, and I can't find anything to back it up other than blog entries. Likewise, is there any reference on the related claim that bowing before the Saudi King, in particular, is a gesture of acknowledged inferiority and subservience? This is a claim that pops up slightly later on the blogs mentioned, after several people noted that Bush I, and probably other Presidents, bow to their Japanese counterparts, but that this is somehow different because it is an acknowledgment of equality? A reference to an actual political protocol or history site unattached to a particular political viewpoint would be welcome.
My own feeling on 0's trip to Saudi Arabia is that he missed an opportunity to call out Our Friends the Saudis on their support of Wahabism, both politically and financially. This is a far more important issue than the millions of words spilled over The Bow, to my way of thinking.
There might be something in here:
Office of the Chief of Protocol, State Department
| 828 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:25:23am |
re: #826 Walter L. Newton
Gee, I would like you to finish our last conversation before we get into another!
Waltre , MULTI TASK !
///
| 829 |
SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:25:58am |
re: #809 Walter L. Newton
I just did another search. Still can't find your links that you posted. Don't know what happened to them?
They're back on the thread I posted them on. I've said all that I need to say on this topic, and don't intend to dredge them up again if you're unable to locate them. Feel free to employ a search engine of your choosing, on your own time, if you're seeking further enlightenment.
If you want to be my stalker - sorry, but I don't swing that way.
| 830 |
tradewind Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:26:55am |
re: #819 sattv4u2
Gak.....you're right.... Uighurs with cleavers running amok.....
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:28:47am |
re: #829 SixDegrees
They're back on the thread I posted them on. I've said all that I need to say on this topic, and don't intend to dredge them up again if you're unable to locate them. Feel free to employ a search engine of your choosing, on your own time, if you're seeking further enlightenment.
If you want to be my stalker - sorry, but I don't swing that way.
Thank you, answered my question.
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apachegunner Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:30:12am |
re: #825 reine.de.tout
The number of links posted in your profile has to do with the number of spin-off links you've posted, not links within comments.
looks like my karma is also misrepresented, the number is sooooooo low. doesn't anyone like me? ;>(
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itellu3times Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:31:29am |
re: #809 Walter L. Newton
I just did another search. Still can't find your links that you posted. Don't know what happened to them?
Walter, I suppose he means this:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Which links to a rancid paraphrased collection of New Testament references, and I believe I challenged that message regarding the Old Testament when it was posted.
| 834 |
SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:31:42am |
re: #827 reine.de.tout
There might be something in here:
Office of the Chief of Protocol, State Department
Thanks. So far, no luck over there, but I'll root around some more.
| 835 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:32:45am |
re: #832 apachegunner
looks like my karma is also misrepresented, the number is sooooooo low. doesn't anyone like me? ;>(
I'm sure SOMEONE does. I'll let you know if I find him/her!
///
| 836 |
Dave Brown Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:32:57am |
Here's a little history game I invite you to play:
QUESTION: After the US was attacked by Japan, and Germany was busily carving up Europe, where was the first invasion by US troops in WW2? Was it a belligerent or a neutral country? Why did we do it? (HINT: it has to do with strategy, not etiquette)
Following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor (December 7, 1941), both Germany and Italy declared war on the United States, and Congress reciprocated with a declaration of war on them on December 11, 1941.
The the U.S. then took nearly one year to prepare, and even then the U.S. did not choose to directly attack Japan, Germany or Italy. The strategic decision was made to defeat the Axis forces in Europe first before turning to deal with the Japanese in Asia and the Pacific, and U.S. air and ground forces were rushed to England in anticipation of an early invasion of Continental Europe.
First, however, U.S. and British forces mounted an invasion of French North Africa at Casablanca, Oran, and Algiers (November 8, 1942).
The United States had initially conducted an active, but secret, diplomatic effort to recruit senior French naval and military personnel to join the North African landing against Germany. To overcome anti-British sentiment, the attacking forces had to be almost entirely American. The Americans hoped the French garrisons would view the North African landings as a liberation, not an invasion. This eventually happened, but three days of hard fighting ensued before the French ceased opposing the Americans. Admiral Darlan agreed to the cease-fire without consulting Petain.
Harbors were of primary importance to a landing in North Africa. The three best were Casablanca, Oran, and Algiers. Casablanca was on the Atlantic coast; Oran and Algiers were in the Mediterranean; and Algiers was 1200 miles from Casablanca. The Americans preferred a Mediterranean landing, as it would put them closer to Tunisia and the German forces. But North African roads and railroads were few and primitive: If the French forces in North Africa chose to side with Germany, supply lines would be cut off.
This was "Operation Torch" (initially called "Operation Gymnast"). May 7th 1943, British enter Tunis; Americans enter Bizerte, the remnants of the vaunted Afrika Korps surrendered at Cap Bon, Tunisia, on May 12, 1943, ending the war in North Africa.
So the first landing of U.S. troops was on the soil of nonbelligerent nations (though they were occupied by the Vichy French), following which American troops initiated a series of battles in which thousands of noncombatants were killed. The American troops were relatively disorganized and suffered relatively high loss rates (which were largely hidden from US citizens); even with a near complete media blackout, there was significant domestic suspicion and criticism of the operation at the time, and some urged bringing the troops home. Taken in isolation, many of America’s critics today would undoubtedly label this operation a botched effort and a war crime.
However, by clearing all German and Italian forces out of North Africa, the allies prevented the Axis from acquiring the petroleum important for their tanks and airplanes, and cleared the way for the invasion of Italy in July of 1943.
There is little doubt that this initial Allied strategy to attempt to secure the oil fields was one of the most critical decision made during the long war as it stretched out over a decade.
- Continued
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J.S. Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:33:08am |
re: #822 SixDegrees
When the topic of Obama bowing to the Saudi came up -- I provided links as per the protocol...(you'd have to look that up, could use the LGF search).
| 839 |
tradewind Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:34:14am |
UBL clone pumps out antiquated cassette audio tape, and it's huge news but then....
What a great laugh... pundette reports with a straight face that ' the intelligence committee believes there has never been a fake tape from bin Laden '.
| 840 |
grambo46 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:34:27am |
re: #479 MandyManners
I didn't know they'd been up-dated. THANKS!
The original was Etch a Sketch .... invented in the 50's - just in time for me!
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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Dave Brown Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:35:16am |
However, by clearing all German and Italian forces out of North Africa, the allies prevented the Axis from acquiring the petroleum important for their tanks and airplanes, and cleared the way for the invasion of Italy in July of 1943.
There is little doubt that this initial Allied strategy to attempt to secure the oil fields was one of the most critical decision made during the long war as it stretched out over a decade.
The Allies were not "fated" to win World War 2. We won because our strategy, wealth, resolve, technology and strength prevailed. It could have gone the other way, in which case some of us would simply not exist today, and some of us would exist only as slaves to masters who are even less desirable than the ones we currently enjoy.
Or if you believe "G-d was on our side", please reconcile that with any of the innocent Algerian kids that got killed in the course of His will being done on earth.
For myself, given the choices, I do believe that G-d was on our side, conceptually, but His will was only expressed by our willingness to sometimes take some (morally gray) actions for the greater good. Moral judgement; the narrow path, swinging from vine-to-vine... not much room for error between grasping and floating in space... not really many rules, just the need to keep going...
And yeah, Operation Torch was definitely all about “blood for oil”. Its always been about controlling energy supply; the the Pharaohs exerted military control over the forests of Cyprus, whose wood fueled the ancient Mediterranean and the Elizabethan era Hostmen guild of Newcastle exerted political influence by monopolizing the British coal supply.
Reality ain't always pretty, that's for sure. But sometimes its just nice to know...
References:
[Link: worldwar2history.info...]
[Link: www.answers.com...]
[Link: www.hyperhistory.net...]
[Link: www.answers.com...]
[Link: www.combinedops.com...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: www.questia.com...] (“THE FORGOTTEN ALLY”, By PIERRE VAN PAASSEN, DIAL PRESS · NEW YORK · 1943)
[Link: www.internalcombustionbook.com...]
| 842 |
SummerSong Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:35:58am |
re: #821 wahabicorridor
Although that pic certainly looks like she's had something done (don't know when it was taken) I saw her in person around 1988. That really is her nose and she really was jaw-droppingly beautiful - and surprisingly tiny.
Her nose has been surgically altered.
[Link: famousplastic.com...]
It's her face, she can do what she wants with it.
| 843 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:37:03am |
re: #842 SummerSong
Her nose has been surgically altered.
[Link: famousplastic.com...]It's her face, she can do what she wants with it.
Her nose looked better before. Her entire face looked better "before" imo
| 844 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:41:02am |
re: #842 SummerSong
Her nose has been surgically altered.
[Link: famousplastic.com...]It's her face, she can do what she wants with it.
At least she didn't go for the total makeover her brother went with.
| 845 |
nyc redneck Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:42:28am |
re: #810 sattv4u2
Not surprising. Since the end of the G 8 there's been no real "news" and he's still was out of the country. well within the margin of error
Now that he's back in Washington the slide will continue, imho
i think so too. especially as those "shovel ready" jobs don't materialize into 4 million employed people and o continues to say there is nothing he would have done differently, in fact he wants to give us more of the same failed ideas.
he is losing independents whose pockets are getting empty. he might even lose some of his fawning parasitic constituents who aren't getting their new kitchens
and gas money. even dead beat can get tired of waiting.
| 846 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:43:34am |
| 847 |
SummerSong Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:43:47am |
re: #843 reine.de.tout
Her nose looked better before. Her entire face looked better "before" imo
Yes, I agree. She was very attractive before her surgery.
| 848 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:44:34am |
| 849 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:45:57am |
re: #845 nyc redneck
Thats the point I made to the fawning Avanti this past week. The "O is losing the middle , SWIFTLY. And it was the "middle" that got him elected, buying the CHANGE meme
| 850 |
quiet man Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:47:30am |
re: #841 Dave Brown
Dave you might recall that Japan achieved it's goal in bombing Pearl..we really didnt have anything to attack Japan directly with. Doolittle, the first hit on japanese soil was 4 months after the attack, and even there we lost all 16 planes who went in.
| 851 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:47:43am |
re: #849 sattv4u2
Thats the point I made to the fawning Avanti this past week. The "O is losing the middle , SWIFTLY. And it was the "middle" that got him elected, buying the CHANGE meme
He won't listen or understand, since he is not of the middle regarding his Our Man Obama worship.
| 852 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:49:18am |
re: #850 quiet man
Dave you might recall that Japan achieved it's goal in bombing Pearl..we really didnt have anything to attack Japan directly with. Doolittle, the first hit on japanese soil was 4 months after the attack, and even there we lost all 16 planes who went in.
Not their total goal, the carriers were left intact, and putting the carriers out of action was one of Yamamoto's main goals.
| 853 |
wahabicorridor Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:50:04am |
re: #842 SummerSong
Her nose has been surgically altered.
[Link: famousplastic.com...]It's her face, she can do what she wants with it.
Having had a professional makeup and photo session done on myself once (a complete surprise, I can assure you) I'm here to tell you that the resulting photo barely looked like me (but damn I looked good) - lighting and makup can really alter 'reality'. The LaToya I saw years ago had the nose on the right.
| 854 |
quiet man Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:50:58am |
re: #849 sattv4u2
The middle are fickle beasts anyway....So they stuck their noses in the air for a moment, took one swift smell and returned underground again.
In truth, the soft (versus hard) left did not care who they elected, as usual, and the middle did not have much more clue as to who or what Obama was.
Now they are getting an idea of who they elected.
| 855 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:51:02am |
re: #845 nyc redneck
i think so too. especially as those "shovel ready" jobs don't materialize into 4 million employed people and o continues to say there is nothing he would have done differently, in fact he wants to give us more of the same failed ideas.
he is losing independents whose pockets are getting empty. he might even lose some of his fawning parasitic constituents who aren't getting their new kitchens and gas money. even dead beat can get tired of waiting.
Dead beats get tired of waiting much quicker since they have nothing but waiting to distract them in the first place.
| 856 |
wahabicorridor Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:51:29am |
re: #841 Dave Brown
upding! Thanks for that - it also reminded me I have to look for a book for my husband about what was done in Italy. Any suggestions?
| 857 |
SixDegrees Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:51:30am |
re: #837 J.S.
When the topic of Obama bowing to the Saudi came up -- I provided links as per the protocol...(you'd have to look that up, could use the LGF search).
Thanks. I'm not having any luck after searching through all of April (which is when the incident occurred.) Do you recall what the source of your information was?
| 858 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:52:37am |
re: #851 FurryOldGuyJeans
He won't listen or understand, since he is not of the middle regarding his Our Man Obama worship.
surprisingly, he actually agreed with me
what he DIDN'T (or wouldn't) understand was THE problem for Obama. His "approvals" haven't dropped that much, really (6-7%, expected post "honeymoon) but his DISapproval has gone from mid 20's to mid 40's!
| 859 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:52:51am |
re: #853 wahabicorridor
Having had a professional makeup and photo session done on myself once (a complete surprise, I can assure you) I'm here to tell you that the resulting photo barely looked like me (but damn I looked good) - lighting and makup can really alter 'reality'. The LaToya I saw years ago had the nose on the right.
Lighting and makeup.....reminds me of the McCain "looks like a demon" photo shoot where the photog deliberately lit him from below. The only thing she didn't do was add dripping blood and fangs post-process.
| 860 |
quiet man Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:53:41am |
re: #852 FurryOldGuyJeans
So true..but we lost the big boat working docks in the attack and a lot of gasoline..and recall at that time, I think only Yammamoto was smart enough to see aircraft as the main way to project power. Our admirals still thought battlewagons were the main power in the pacific.
| 861 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:53:59am |
re: #858 sattv4u2
surprisingly, he actually agreed with me
what he DIDN'T (or wouldn't) understand was THE problem for Obama. His "approvals" haven't dropped that much, really (6-7%, expected post "honeymoon) but his DISapproval has gone from mid 20's to mid 40's!
And that is what I was addressing as were you, the reason. He won't see it, ever.
| 862 |
quiet man Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:55:32am |
I do not think we ever hit tha japanse mainland with the guns of our battlewagons
| 863 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:55:51am |
re: #860 quiet man
So true..but we lost the big boat working docks in the attack and a lot of gasoline..and recall at that time, I think only Yammamoto was smart enough to see aircraft as the main way to project power. Our admirals still thought battlewagons were the main power in the pacific.
We did have people who knew the advantages of mobile air-power, but enough had nary a clue. Look at what General Short did with the Army aircraft, clumped them together to make sabotage "harder".
| 864 |
wahabicorridor Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:56:14am |
re: #859 FurryOldGuyJeans
Lighting and makeup.....reminds me of the McCain "looks like a demon" photo shoot where the photog deliberately lit him from below. The only thing she didn't do was add dripping blood and fangs post-process.
Oh, jeez, I'd forgotten about that. Remember the photos of Obama that looked like there was a halo?
| 865 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:57:21am |
re: #864 wahabicorridor
Oh, jeez, I'd forgotten about that. Remember the photos of Obama that looked like there was a halo?
I couldn't forget about it because it was just so blatant. There was no attempt to hide the contempt the photog had.
| 866 |
quiet man Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:58:29am |
re: #863 FurryOldGuyJeans
That's right, I forgot about errors like that. The history of the navy in the pacific campaign is highly interesting
If we had todays liberals back then, Japan would have won easily.
| 867 |
nyc redneck Sun, Jul 12, 2009 10:01:52am |
re: #855 FurryOldGuyJeans
Dead beats get tired of waiting much quicker since they have nothing but waiting to distract them in the first place.
true,
should we expect marching in the streets for all those unicorns on backorder?
| 868 |
notamolly Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:07:00pm |
re: #692 MandyManners
Invading a small nation to re-install a man who abolished a Constitutional limit on power who is supported by Castro and Chavez? That would be too blatant.
Yeah that would be a red flag for a lot of non troofers. Although without the teleprompter, the 0 is not exactly coherent. Despite the nauseating press fawning over his every utterance.
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