It's like an O'Keeffe. Beautiful.

Pretty cool. I take a lot of flower pics and that's a nice one.

Hope everyone saw this from Charles earlier:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Yesterday a leaf and today a flower. I think Charles wrecked his bike in a garden.
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Ooooh, love it. Very O'Keeffe for sure. Red Canna, Poppy, Amaryllis, etc.

E.g., red amaryllis [Link: www.art.com...]

re: #6 iceweasel

E.g., red amaryllis [Link: www.art.com...]

I have a couple prints from art.com. Nice stuff, but pricey if you have them frame it. But worth it in my mind.

re: #7 Cannadian Club Akbar

I once got a beautiful Monet as a gift- the framing was the most expensive part, but it was completely worth it.

re: #8 Sharmuta

That is to say- I gave that as a gift.

re: #8 Sharmuta

I have something like that in my middle bedroom. Just a field of flowers, but like that pic. Cool.

re: #10 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have cheated a few times, and used old art books and garage sale picture frames for art about the house. A friend once drew a picture in pastels as a birthday gift for me. I bought a frame with a cheesy print at a store, and popped the back off and put her piece in its place. There are ways to get around expensive framing on smaller pieces, but on big pieces, I prefer to pay the professionals.

re: #7 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a couple prints from art.com. Nice stuff, but pricey if you have them frame it. But worth it in my mind.

Cool. I haven't ever ordered anything from them; the prints I have, I bought unframed at museums and much later (years) when I had some money I had them framed-- the most expensive bit was the framing. It's kind of sick how much a good frame costs, but I totally agree it's worth it.
I'm trying to figure out now how to ship them to Scotland; non-negotiable, to me!

re: #11 Sharmuta

I have one from art.com where I picked the print. Then I picked the matting and frame color and border. Cost alot but I LOVE it. Matches my bedroom set very nice. Now I just need an oriental rug and a chest for the foot of my bed and my bedroom will be complete. Oh, and some paint on the walls to match the border.

re: #13 Cannadian Club Akbar

Might I suggest a rug from Afghanistan? I have one- handmade, and I love it.

re: #14 Sharmuta

Might I suggest a rug from Afghanistan? I have one- handmade, and I love it.

My step dad was buying a truck and I went with him to look it over. Went into the guys house (seller) and he told me to look down. I was standing on a rug that was 600 years old. I stepped off it very quickly.

re: #3 Sharmuta

Hope everyone saw this from Charles earlier:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Saw it and looking forward to it.

On a seperate topic. Is Charles cranking up the color and composition? The last couple of photos have been exceptional.

re: #14 Sharmuta

Might I suggest a rug from Afghanistan? I have one- handmade, and I love it.

Also, I agree. A rug isn't something you just change. When setting up the most comfy room in the house, I won't skimp.

re: #16 BruceKelly

I love the detail of the petals in the back- their fine grooves. Really nice.

What's the funniest "I'm a Republican because..." entry you can think of for GOP.com ?

Red Valley

Redman - How High (remix)

re: #11 Sharmuta

I have cheated a few times, and used old art books and garage sale picture frames for art about the house. A friend once drew a picture in pastels as a birthday gift for me. I bought a frame with a cheesy print at a store, and popped the back off and put her piece in its place. There are ways to get around expensive framing on smaller pieces, but on big pieces, I prefer to pay the professionals.

I save, and buy calendars for the art. I cut out the pictures and frame them. What's nice is that you can get a portfolio of related art, subject or composer, so it creates a nice, consistent feel for a room or wall.

re: #21 BruceKelly

The LGF calendar will be nice for that.

re: #15 Cannadian Club Akbar

The last time I saw a rug that old, it was in a museum. I'd step off it too.

re: #19 idioma

What's the funniest "I'm a Republican because..." entry you can think of for GOP.com ?

...we suck less then the other guys. Or, at least, used to. No, wait.

re: #19 idioma

What's the funniest "I'm a Republican because..." entry you can think of for GOP.com ?

Ron Paul!

re: #19 idioma

What's the funniest "I'm a Republican because..." entry you can think of for GOP.com ?

..the Democrats won't have me."
In a balloon coming out of Joe Lieberman's mouth.

re: #19 idioma

What's the funniest "I'm a Republican because..." entry you can think of for GOP.com ?

...I don't ask commie questions!!!

re: #27 Cannadian Club Akbar

...I don't ask commie questions!!!

heh. Now that's funny.

re: #19 idioma

What's the funniest "I'm a Republican because..." entry you can think of for GOP.com ?

...tapping one's foot in an airport bathroom isn't just for the heathen democracts anymore!!!

One more John Mayer for the road

Funny stuff: [Link: www.theonion.com...]

re: #19 idioma

What's the funniest "I'm a Republican because..." entry you can think of for GOP.com ?

...my constituents will understand why I had to go to Argentina!!

re: #22 Sharmuta

The LGF calendar will be nice for that.

Do you mean this one?...

[Link: www.lulu.com...]

I'm getting one for Christmas. I'd buy it for myself but lulu.com won't accept pocket lint.

re: #19 idioma

What's the funniest "I'm a Republican because..." entry you can think of for GOP.com ?

..I accidentally tapped out my name in morse code, beside a nice Young College Republican conducting a voter drive in the Port Authority men's room.

re: #33 BruceKelly

Do you mean this one?...

[Link: www.lulu.com...]

I'm getting one for Christmas. I'd buy it for myself but lulu.com won't accept pocket lint.

Offer them your bodily fluids.
/nice avatar

re: #19 idioma

What's the funniest "I'm a Republican because..." entry you can think of for GOP.com ?

I have nowhere else to go (hangs head in shame).

re: #36 BruceKelly

I have nowhere else to go (hangs head in shame).

A movie fan, I see.

I'm voting Republican because

All right kiddies. A long day of work is ending and off tomorrow. But after that, I have been told I have to work every day until February. Which is a good thing, I guess. G'night.

I didn't realize how late it was. I've got to grab a shower, have a big drink of water and hit the rack. Later lizards...

re: #38 iceweasel

Well.... that is, what shall we say, a partisan video?

BTW, I fear I have let all of you down, in not keeping the calendar up to date.

You have but 8 shopping days left till Christmas, and remember one of those will be only a partial day.

re: #41 freetoken

Well... that is, what shall we say, a partisan video?

Oh absolutely partisan, it's from the campaign cycle in 2008!
I'm posting it for the humor content, not anything else.

OT: Glenn Beck makes an ass of himself yet again:

Beck Defends Founding Fathers’ Decision To Count African-Americans As Three-Fifths Of A Person

Whatever all our partisan differences, we'll always have Glenn Beck.

Like O'Keefe, is the sexual imagery supposed to be there?

re: #43 iceweasel

Wow, Beck keeps digging his hole.

Schwarzenegger Speaks @ COP15 Copenhagen

re: #46 Gus 802

Thanks for putting that up. I linked to the UNFCCC streaming video site earlier, but couldn't figure out how to embed it here (as LGF strips out the HTML to outside scripts).

Arnold is a much better speaker than anyone else so far at Copenhagen. As more leaders file in there will be others who are good in front of people too, but many of the apparatchik can be quite demotivating, even if quite sincere and otherwise intelligent and capable speakers. Arnold knows how to motivate, a technique learnt from his body building days.

re: #35 Cannadian Club Akbar

Offer them your bodily fluids.
/nice avatar

Never. Purity of essence must be maintained at all cost.

As a follow up... in yesterdays major press briefing with Ban Ki Moon, the PM of Denmark mentioned Arnold. It is clear that Arnold is able to draw as well as motivate.

re: #38 iceweasel

No. That's funny.

re: #47 freetoken

Thanks for putting that up. I linked to the UNFCCC streaming video site earlier, but couldn't figure out how to embed it here (as LGF strips out the HTML to outside scripts).

Arnold is a much better speaker than anyone else so far at Copenhagen. As more leaders file in there will be others who are good in front of people too, but many of the apparatchik can be quite demotivating, even if quite sincere and otherwise intelligent and capable speakers. Arnold knows how to motivate, a technique learnt from his body building days.

You're welcome. He's the best I heard thus far and as you say motivating as well as personable. More importantly, his message of cooperation or a multi-pronged approach to AGW is a compelling one. He strikes an almost perfect balance for all of humankind on how to face this challenge.

"The need everyone coming together...the corporations...the activists..."

"They need everybody out there."

FWIW, PM Brown finally starts to face up to the truth:

Copenhagen climate deal 'faces problems' - Gordon Brown

It may not be possible to get a new deal over global warming at the UN climate conference in Copenhagen, Prime Minister Gordon Brown has admitted.

I watched the end of the LCA working group (who worked through the night), and even at the end they still did not have a ready text, and the US and Chinese delegates essentially bracketed out a great share of the document.

re: #45 freetoken

Wow, Beck keeps digging his hole.

Hits bottom, starts digging. Sadly, I've seen it before.

re: #51 Gus 802

Well, the "true" conservatives scream that Arnold is a RINO, but his message is quite clear: the government can do everything, and they're not even leading on this.

re: #54 freetoken

PIMF "can't do everything"...

*sigh* Of course....the government did such a wonderful job noticing all the red flags that Maj. Hasan was throwing out there before anything too bad happened.

And now I'm supopsed to believe that they're the ones who are going to save the world?

re: #54 freetoken

Well, the "true" conservatives scream that Arnold is a RINO, but his message is quite clear: the government can can't do everything, and they're not even leading on this.

Yes, I know. Frankly, their opinion means nothing. They provide no answer and only criticism and reactionary rhetoric. In all facets that we face as a society they have no solutions other than to revert to the ideas of old that never worked in the first place and that benefits a finite set of individuals. There is enormous start-up potential for this in the free-market for new entrepreneurs to find success and yes, even profits from the work that needs to be done but they even ignore that because the machine is structured to only serve the needs of entrenched institutions that line the coffers of their parties.

re: #54 freetoken

Well, the "true" conservatives scream that Arnold is a RINO, but his message is quite clear: the government can do everything, and they're not even leading on this.

I disagree with your definition of "true" conservatives. I do, however, have to admit that, based on the current political climate, your premise is correct.

A true conservative would never let his, or her, judgment be clouded by religious beliefs, if they have any at all.

A true conservative is actually what used to be known as a classical liberal.

re: #54 freetoken

And, just for the record, "true" conservatives never scream.

re: #57 Gus 802

Yes, I know. Frankly, their opinion means nothing. They provide no answer and only criticism and reactionary rhetoric. In all facets that we face as a society they have no solutions other than to revert to the ideas of old that never worked in the first place and that benefits a finite set of individuals. There is enormous start-up potential for this in the free-market for new entrepreneurs to find success and yes, even profits from the work that needs to be done but they even ignore that because the machine is structured to only serve the needs of entrenched institutions that line the coffers of their parties.

Agreed. With extra underlining about how both parties have their coffers lined by entrenched institutions. This is great:

They provide no answer and only criticism and reactionary rhetoric. In all facets that we face as a society they have no solutions other than to revert to the ideas of old that never worked in the first place and that benefits a finite set of individuals

Exactly. And their solution when faced with their epic failure is always to say the problem is their 'solutions' weren't conservative enough.
According to the True Believers, conservatism can never fail, it can only be failed -- by the election of people who are always declared, after they fail,. "Not True Conservatives". Neat trick.

Exhibit A
and B

re: #57 Gus 802

"Their opinion means nothing." Nice. I believe this is how the current admin. feels as well. Check this out.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Sage words from a bona fide RINO. I think folk's opinions mean quite a lot. It might be in the best interest of the USA if the Dems listened a little better and tried not being quite so smug and dismissive all the time. I'm just sayin'.

re: #56 Fenway_Nation

*sigh* Of course...the government did such a wonderful job noticing all the red flags that Maj. Hasan was throwing out there before anything too bad happened.

And now I'm supopsed to believe that they're the ones who are going to save the world?

One can either be optimistic based on positive events or pessimistic based on negative events. To me, as a general pessimist, basing an overall assessment of government performance on the Hasan event within the US Army seems to be based on a rather limited event. If we then judge them negatively on their ability to save the world because they couldn't "catch" Hasan in time we have to also ask ourselves was it not the intent to invade Iraq and Afghanistan to save the world from Islamic extremism. If so, have they failed in that endeavor? What about other more traumatic terrorist events that "were failed to be caught" by the government?

re: #61 axegrinder

"Their opinion means nothing." Nice. I believe this is how the current admin. feels as well. Check this out.

It might be in the best interest of the USA if the Dems listened a little better and tried not being quite so smug and dismissive all the time. I'm just sayin'.

Yeah, who the hell do the Dems think they are? The way they act, you'd think they'd been elected to control of the White House and the legislature or sumpin'.

re: #63 iceweasel

Then why did they even bother with the overtures to Snow?

re: #61 axegrinder

"Their opinion means nothing." Nice. I believe this is how the current admin. feels as well. Check this out.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Sage words from a bona fide RINO. I think folk's opinions mean quite a lot. It might be in the best interest of the USA if the Dems listened a little better and tried not being quite so smug and dismissive all the time. I'm just sayin'.

Their opinion means nothing because I am tired of empty bombastic rhetoric as heard today at the latest Tea Party event were we heard nothing but extremist rhetoric and chanting of "we want war" and the usual self serving naive religious rhetoric. I'd be interested in an opinion when we have hear answers and not something that sound like I'm listening to a talk show on AM radio.

re: #64 Fenway_Nation

Then why did they even bother with the overtures to Snow?

You'll have to give me more info before I understand what you're blaming the Dems for, as opposed to Snowe.

re: #63 iceweasel

re: #63 iceweasel

Yeah, who the hell do the Dems think they are? The way they act, you'd think they'd been elected to control of the White House and the legislature or sumpin'.

Elected to control the WH certainly. In the case of the legislature I disagree. There were elected to represent their constituents in their districts and, on accident because of the timing of the bank failures, the dems won in droves. Your thinking this is a mandate for super liberal massive government overhaul and increase is a great example of my point. Thank you so much for illustrating it for me.

re: #67 axegrinder

re: #63 iceweasel

Elected to control the WH certainly. In the case of the legislature I disagree. There were elected to represent their constituents in their districts and, on accident because of the timing of the bank failures, the dems won in droves. Your thinking this is a mandate for super liberal massive government overhaul and increase is a great example of my point. Thank you so much for illustrating it for me.

Your point appears to be that because the dems were democratically elected to have a majority, this shows that....they need to be more deferential to republicans? Uh-huh.

I know this is a current wingnutty talking point, but you'll have to do better.
You're welcome.

re: #60 iceweasel

Exactly. And their solution when faced with their epic failure is always to say the problem is their 'solutions' weren't conservative enough.
According to the True Believers, conservatism can never fail, it can only be failed -- by the election of people who are always declared, after they fail,. "Not True Conservatives". Neat trick.

Exhibit A
and B

As we know conservatism was taken over by the religious right years ago. Now it's being infiltrated by conspiracy theorists and general all around disgruntled revanchist Americans. Essentially they have co-opted the conservative brand with these two main elements. The end result is that they are no longer a conservative movement but a far-right movement. The reason they fail on a national level is because the far-right rhetoric comes through to the American public as was seen today at the GOP Health Rally and are not fooled by the "conservative" re-packaging. So when they say "not a true conservative" they really mean not "far-right" enough.

OK...fine- why did the we won elected to control of the White House and the legislature Dems as you put it even bother try getting Snowe on board with healthcare?

The Senator detailed her good-faith participation in the "group of six" on the Senate Finance Committee, which met some 31 times over the spring and summer and reflected "the kind of extensive, meticulous process that an issue of this magnitude requires."

I mean....gosh golly gee.....isn't that one of the moderates everybody was so anxious to see from within the ranks of the GOP and they still pretty much told her to fuck off?

re: #67 axegrinder

re: #63 iceweasel

Elected to control the WH certainly. In the case of the legislature I disagree. There were elected to represent their constituents in their districts and, on accident because of the timing of the bank failures, the dems won in droves. Your thinking this is a mandate for super liberal massive government overhaul and increase is a great example of my point. Thank you so much for illustrating it for me.

I missed the coverage of the Tea Party. Frankly I don't pay much attention to partisan bombastery. I'm looking for solutions and if you were interested you would be aware that conservatives have solutions that don't necessitate ruining the economy. Messy and painful, perhaps, but not foolishly irresponsible. People should stop expecting the government to take care of them. This is not how it's supposed to be.

re: #63 iceweasel

Yeah, who the hell do the Dems think they are? The way they act, you'd think they'd been elected to control of the White House and the legislature or sumpin'.

It's a two (should be more) party system. I may currently be in the political minority, but I still have a voice in this government and I will not be dismissed easily.

re: #68 iceweasel

Your point appears to be that because the dems were democratically elected to have a majority, this shows that...they need to be more deferential to republicans? Uh-huh.

I know this is a current wingnutty talking point, but you'll have to do better.
You're welcome.

My point was made by the article I linked to. If the link didn't work or if you just didn't bother to check it out then the short story is successful legislation is done in a bipartisan manner. This is my point.

re: #72 BruceKelly

It's a two (should be more) party system. I may currently be in the political minority, but I still have a voice in this government and I will not be dismissed easily.

No one is dismissing you. I am dismissing the notion that the overwhelming electoral success of Democratic candidates was somehow a proof that republican opinions should take precedence. It's bizarre, but a number of people have argued something like that and are doing so even in this thread.

re: #74 iceweasel

You're right....it's proof positive that America wants as many multitrillion dollar entitlement programs as possible before the mid-term elections. I mean....that first stimulus went over so well in all those non-existant congressional district.
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re: #65 Gus 802

Their opinion means nothing because I am tired of empty bombastic rhetoric as heard today at the latest Tea Party event were we heard nothing but extremist rhetoric and chanting of "we want war" and the usual self serving naive religious rhetoric. I'd be interested in an opinion when we have hear answers and not something that sound like I'm listening to a talk show on AM radio.

With all due respect, you sound a bit bombastic yourself. I do appreciate your use of term tea party instead of the preffered MSNBC term.

No one is chanting "we want war."

re: #74 iceweasel

No one is dismissing you. I am dismissing the notion that the overwhelming electoral success of Democratic candidates was somehow a proof that republican opinions should take precedence. It's bizarre, but a number of people have argued something like that and are doing so even in this thread.

Yes, the opinion. How does it go again, "kill the bill." Death panels, birth certificates, gays are taking over, Communists in the White House, Obama is a the anti-Christ and/or a secret Muslim, and so on.

re: #74 iceweasel

No one is dismissing you. I am dismissing the notion that the overwhelming electoral success of Democratic candidates was somehow a proof that republican opinions should take precedence. It's bizarre, but a number of people have argued something like that and are doing so even in this thread.

Not so. I'm getting a lot of straw man and ad hominem from you ice weasel. Read the article I linked to and it might clear up my meaning.

re: #76 BruceKelly

With all due respect, you sound a bit bombastic yourself. I do appreciate your use of term tea party instead of the preffered MSNBC term.

No one is chanting "we want war."

You already said you missed today's latest event.

Many in the crowd chanted "we want war" while Laura Ingraham spoke.

re: #77 Gus 802

Yes, the opinion. How does it go again, "kill the bill." Death panels, birth certificates, gays are taking over, Communists in the White House, Obama is a the anti-Christ and/or a secret Muslim, and so on.

You left out 'chickenhawk'.

re: #80 Fenway_Nation

You left out 'chickenhawk'.

Thanks, my mistake.

Chickenhawk.

re: #81 Gus 802

You're welcome, Luwig....I mean Gus.

re: #69 Gus 802

As we know conservatism was taken over by the religious right years ago. Now it's being infiltrated by conspiracy theorists and general all around disgruntled revanchist Americans. Essentially they have co-opted the conservative brand with these two main elements. The end result is that they are no longer a conservative movement but a far-right movement. The reason they fail on a national level is because the far-right rhetoric comes through to the American public as was seen today at the GOP Health Rally and are not fooled by the "conservative" re-packaging. So when they say "not a true conservative" they really mean not "far-right" enough.

Personally, my political awareness was shaped very early on as a female teenager in the eighties-- and as far as I was concerned conservatism even then was dominated by the religious right and the so-cons. Granted, I was very young and had a very limited area of interest: reproductive rights -- but that was the issue I followed. Operation Rescue was founded in 1987. I remember my first political sticker: "The Moral Majority is neither."

The GOP is currently officially dominated by theocrats and wackos, and some people are using 'not a true conservative" to mean "not enough of a far right wacko", but I believe there are and always have been genuine true conservatives out there who are appalled by the so-cons and theocrats.
the problem for them is they no longer have a political home, because the theocrats are now completely in charge of that asylum. Reagan made an unholy alliance with them in the 80's to get elected; now those people own the party, and they are angry that they never got their agendas implemented in the past (Neither Reagan nor either of the Bushes would do it).

re: #77 Gus 802

Yes, the opinion. How does it go again, "kill the bill." Death panels, birth certificates, gays are taking over, Communists in the White House, Obama is a the anti-Christ and/or a secret Muslim, and so on.

Did ya forget the sarc tag? Do all liberals get their info of how conservatives think from Glenn Beck and talk radio? Sheeshkabob.

re: #78 axegrinder

Not so. I'm getting a lot of straw man and ad hominem from you ice weasel. Read the article I linked to and it might clear up my meaning.

I did read it.
It's not an 'article', it's an op-ed in the WSJ. I'm aware of your meaning; I disagree with you.

PS: if you think it is 'strawman' and 'adhom' for me to point out that you are citing opinion as if it were fact, then you need to check out the meanings of ad hom and strawman.

re: #84 axegrinder

Did ya forget the sarc tag? Do all liberals get their info of how conservatives think from Glenn Beck and talk radio? Sheeshkabob.

You must not be paying attention to the articles that have been posted here at Little Green Footballs. No, it's not sarcasm and I already stated my position on conservatives vs. the far-right above. Or did you miss that?

re: #84 axegrinder

Have you seen tea party rallies..?

re: #82 Fenway_Nation

You're welcome, Luwig...I mean Gus.

Yeah, I know Fenway_Nation. I managed not to personalize my argument yet you, as usual, want to go out of your way to resort to personalized snark.

re: #88 Gus 802

Right down to the thin skin and everything- you could see why I might make such a mistake.

re: #88 Gus 802

Yeah, I know Fenway_Nation. I managed not to personalize my argument yet you, as usual, want to go out of your way to resort to personalized snark.

I wonder what's up with that.

Fenway, what is up? You've been not very nice over the last few months. Why? You used to be much cooler and lately you seem really unhappy.

This isn't snark. I know you had (have?) some job trouble and was thinking about you just the other day. You just seem very unhappy all around now and sometimes it's felt like you take it out on some people here, sometimes.

re: #87 Varek Raith

Have you seen tea party rallies..?

Nope. I missed it. Not much of a rally goer. And no, Gus, I didn't read your comparison of far right vs. conservative. It seemed your post was very stereo typical of 'tea baggers' and it annoyed me. Folks that protest tax increases and boondoggle federal money wasters are frankly on my side. If they pray and would prefer the federal government didn't pay people to have abortions I don't really hold it against them. But I'm real tolerant like that.

re: #89 Fenway_Nation

Right down to the thin skin and everything- you could see why I might make such a mistake.

Like I said, you want to make this a personal thing. This comment is an example once again.

re: #91 axegrinder

re: #91 axegrinder

Nope. I missed it. Not much of a rally goer. And no, Gus, I didn't read your comparison of far right vs. conservative. It seemed your post was very stereo typical of 'tea baggers' and it annoyed me. Folks that protest tax increases and boondoggle federal money wasters are frankly on my side. If they pray and would prefer the federal government didn't pay people to have abortions I don't really hold it against them. But I'm real tolerant like that.

For your review.

Tea Parties as covered on Little Green Footballs.

re: #91 axegrinder

If they pray and would prefer the federal government didn't pay people to have abortions I don't really hold it against them. But I'm real tolerant like that.

Yes, it's real tolerant to let the religious beliefs of a few dictate the control of all women's reproductive lives.

And super-tolerant to phrase it as 'paying for people to have abortions". My, there's nothing inflammatory or misleading about that description, is there? (I especially like the little touch of saying "people". What gender are these 'people' who are having abortions?)

I was thinking of 'getting paid to do some freelance work' this week; instead, I think I'll 'get paid to have an abortion'!
Hey, who doesn't need holday money, amirite?

re: #74 iceweasel

Understood, are: #74 iceweasel

No one is dismissing you. I am dismissing the notion that the overwhelming electoral success of Democratic candidates was somehow a proof that republican opinions should take precedence. It's bizarre, but a number of people have argued something like that and are doing so even in this thread.

Understood, And I did not mean it, nor am I taking it, personally. Although I did use the pronoun "I" didn't I.

Remember Bush and war fatigue where major factors in the last election. That's over.

I don't believe Republican opinions should take precedence, but they are, sadly, the best representatives that we conservatives have and as a conservative I'm just not willing to rollover and let Reid, Pelosi and Obama do whatever the hell they want.

re: #90 iceweasel

Job situation's improved for the short term.

Didn't seem like that long ago Gus was just about the only lizard who gave two flying fucks when I posted links here about things like various South American regimes blatantly eroding freedom of the press or freedom of assembly. Now it's all drowning polar bears and teH riGHt is eeevul all the time and Pat Buchanan or Glen Beck's words being put in my mouth because I still identify myself as right of center....

I'm supposed to dedicate every waking moment to denoucning every syllable those two say (and there is plenty to denounce) instead of pointing out the real-world ramifactions of policies like Cap & Trade, Card Check or another stimulus?

re: #96 BruceKelly

Understood, are: #74 iceweasel

Understood, And I did not mean it, nor am I taking it, personally. Although I did use the pronoun "I" didn't I.

Remember Bush and war fatigue where major factors in the last election. That's over.

I don't believe Republican opinions should take precedence, but they are, sadly, the best representatives that we conservatives have and as a conservative I'm just not willing to rollover and let Reid, Pelosi and Obama do whatever the hell they want.

Sympathy upding because much as I hate Reid and Pelosi myself, I know it would truly suck to be a sane conservative now. Who the hell is there for you?
Sane people on the left went through this too, in 2000 and in 2004; I'm still surprised the GOP wasn't able to shorten their learning curve for 'party out of power being dominated by angry fringe etc' by looking at all the mistakes the Dems made 2000-2006.

re: #94 Gus 802

A few dozen whackos with nothing better to do but have a 'die in.' This the face of the conservative party? Really? lol Me thinks someone is watching too much of the Daily Show. Sarah Palin really is the face of the conservative party right now but that's only because the liberal press has done this for her. Can't same I blame them it is a very pretty face. I think the biggest worry with NORMAL conservatives(people like me) is that too much money is being spent and not enough attention is being payed to the economy. HCR is not a cure for the economy. I'd like to table that and focus on recovery. J-O-B-S.

re: #79 Gus 802

You already said you missed today's latest event.

Many in the crowd chanted "we want war" while Laura Ingraham spoke.

I'll take your word for it, and I'm very sorry to hear it.

re: #95 iceweasel

Yes, it's real tolerant to let the religious beliefs of a few dictate the control of all women's reproductive lives.

And super-tolerant to phrase it as 'paying for people to have abortions". My, there's nothing inflammatory or misleading about that description, is there? (I especially like the little touch of saying "people". What gender are these 'people' who are having abortions?)

I was thinking of 'getting paid to do some freelance work' this week; instead, I think I'll 'get paid to have an abortion'!
Hey, who doesn't need holday money, amirite?

Why must you be deliberately offensive? Does this tactic often sway others to come to your line of thinking? Outlawing abortion would be wrong. IMO, tax payers funding abortions is also wrong. If a couple(yes, it takes two to tango) has a baby they don't want then it's up to them to do what they feel the right thing to do is. It's not my problem or my business. I just don't want to pay for others mistakes. Is that clear enough or are you going to find another way to misunderstand my point?

re: #97 Fenway_Nation

Really pleased your job situation is improved for short term; will have fingers crossed for your longterm as well.

I'm supposed to dedicate every waking moment to denoucning every syllable those two say (and there is plenty to denounce) instead of pointing out the real-world ramifactions of policies like Cap & Trade, Card Check or another stimulus?

I dunno, Fenway-- I don't expect you to spend every moment (or any moments) defending beck OR buchanan, and I never thought you had anything in common with those guys anyway. All I'm saying is lately you seem angry and often defensive even when you're not being accused of anything or attacked in any way, and I liked it a lot better when we could have conversations about cap & trade, for example. We often disagree but it doesn't have to be antagonistic, and I've sent other (lib) friends links to your comments here on cap & trade in the past, so they get a different opinion that's intelligent.
I miss that. You've seemed really angry in general lately; it's made me worry about you.

re: #99 axegrinder

I'd like to table that and focus on recovery. Private sector J-O-B-S.

Thought I'd tweak that for you.

/And no....I don't belive it's the Govt's role to create jobs in the private sector too. More like nudging the circumstances toward an expansion of hiring among the private sector would be favorable for all involved.

re: #97 Fenway_Nation

Job situation's improved for the short term.

Didn't seem like that long ago Gus was just about the only lizard who gave two flying fucks when I posted links here about things like various South American regimes blatantly eroding freedom of the press or freedom of assembly. Now it's all drowning polar bears and teH riGHt is eeevul all the time and Pat Buchanan or Glen Beck's words being put in my mouth because I still identify myself as right of center...

I'm supposed to dedicate every waking moment to denoucning every syllable those two say (and there is plenty to denounce) instead of pointing out the real-world ramifactions of policies like Cap & Trade, Card Check or another stimulus?

Why are you trying to make this about me? Have I made it about you? I've not once mentioned polar bears whom I in fact think will survive whatever climate change might occur. I have not once supported cap and trade and in fact have opposed it. And card check. And I think the stimulus program is a joke.

I don't create the articles here but I think they're legitimate concerns and that includes Buchanan and Beck. I thought it was clear that I go against the grain on many topics from time to time. And when I said chickenhawks it was directed at internet bullshit artists.

I liked the fact that we connected on Argentina and trains. The fact is is that I'm kind of unhappy with the way the conservative movement has gone because I thought it had potential. But no more.

re: #99 axegrinder

A few dozen whackos with nothing better to do but have a 'die in.' This the face of the conservative party? Really? lol Me thinks someone is watching too much of the Daily Show. Sarah Palin really is the face of the conservative party right now but that's only because the liberal press has done this for her. Can't same I blame them it is a very pretty face. I think the biggest worry with NORMAL conservatives(people like me) is that too much money is being spent and not enough attention is being payed to the economy. HCR is not a cure for the economy. I'd like to table that and focus on recovery. J-O-B-S.

It was billed as a GOP rally. It was backed by Dick Armey. Several Republican congressmen spoke at the rally. And no, I didn't get that information from the Daily Show.

re: #101 axegrinder

Why must you be deliberately offensive? Does this tactic often sway others to come to your line of thinking? Outlawing abortion would be wrong. IMO, tax payers funding abortions is also wrong. If a couple(yes, it takes two to tango) has a baby they don't want then it's up to them to do what they feel the right thing to do is. It's not my problem or my business. I just don't want to pay for others mistakes. Is that clear enough or are you going to find another way to misunderstand my point?

Why must you be deliberately offensive? Does this tactic often sway others to your way of thinking?

The difference is, I mocked you by parodying your point ---because I understood it perfectly well. Your attitude of 'not paying for others mistakes' -- do you have it only for 'mistakes' involving failures of birth control? How about mistakes involving illness or health more generally?

Please explain to me why insurance companies should cover Viagra for men who 'made mistakes' -- i.e., got fat, smoked, etc-- but shouldn't cover 'mistakes' involving birth control.

re: #98 iceweasel

Sympathy upding because much as I hate Reid and Pelosi myself, I know it would truly suck to be a sane conservative now. Who the hell is there for you?

Thanks, and to answer your question, no one. And that's okay with me. I've seen really rotten times before and as bad as things may seem today, I can tell you, they've been a whole lot worse in the past.

re: #104 Gus 802

I've already had one lizard refer to my military service as 'phony kinship with the military' for the high crime of disagreeing with him and not hopping on the next flight to Pyongyang. You might be able to understand why I wouldn't appreciate a broad-brush application and throwing around the term 'chickenhawk' to any number of categories. Seems like the smarmy KOS thing to do.

re: #61 axegrinder

"Their opinion means nothing." Nice. I believe this is how the current admin. feels as well. Check this out.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Sage words from a bona fide RINO. I think folk's opinions mean quite a lot. It might be in the best interest of the USA if the Dems listened a little better and tried not being quite so smug and dismissive all the time. I'm just sayin'.

For the record. I'm sure you think you "have me pegged." I voted for McCain.

re: #107 iceweasel

Why must you be deliberately offensive? Does this tactic often sway others to your way of thinking?

The difference is, I mocked you by parodying your point ---because I understood it perfectly well. Your attitude of 'not paying for others mistakes' -- do you have it only for 'mistakes' involving failures of birth control? How about mistakes involving illness or health more generally?

Please explain to me why insurance companies should cover Viagra for men who 'made mistakes' -- i.e., got fat, smoked, etc-- but shouldn't cover 'mistakes' involving birth control.

More strawman. I think people should buy the insurance they want. If companies that cover viagra are competitive then so be it. I'd rather use a company that doesn't and pay a lower premium. I wouldn't mind if obese people payed a higher premium. I think we are head that way. Smokers already pay a higher premium. Part of the problem could be the employer provided health care. I think it would be better for the industry if that was abolished and folks had to get it on their own. Give them raises to cover the cost but let them decide if they want it and let them decide what kind they get.

Some folks need help. This should be a community effort not a federal one. Charity, like politics, should be local.

Meanwhile, over in Copenhagen, the Plenary hasn't opened yet (over an hour late), which is pretty clear a result of the LCA working group last night to finish their business.

In a press conference going on right now by the Pew Center on Global Climate Change, the speaker is giving an overview of the politics in the US Congress regarding climate change. He pointedly said that there is little chance that the climate bills as now written has little chance of passing, as he pointed out that 20 of the Democratic Senators come from fossil fuel states and they are very hesitant to sign on.

re: #110 Gus 802

For the record. I'm sure you think you "have me pegged." I voted for McCain.

I try not to peg. But you're right, I figured you for a fluffy bunny but only because of the 'hate' against the right so prevalent in your earlier post. My bad. I didn't vote at all for two reasons. I'm in Texas and new McCain would take Texas. And two, I dislike McCain so much my eyes bleed when I even think about him. Not a fan. I was very disappointed he got the nomination.

re: #113 axegrinder

I was very disappointed he got the nomination.

Which one of the GOP candidates would have been your choice?

I personally liked the Mormon. Despite his attempt at health care reform in Mass. he seemed the most economically savvy.

re: #109 Fenway_Nation

I've already had one lizard refer to my military service as 'phony kinship with the military' for the high crime of disagreeing with him and not hopping on the next flight to Pyongyang. You might be able to understand why I wouldn't appreciate a broad-brush application and throwing around the term 'chickenhawk' to any number of categories. Seems like the smarmy KOS thing to do.

Aren't you the one who brought up the term 'chickenhawk'???

I don't think Gus has been trying to broadbrush you at all I personally have noticed a tendency on your part (lately) to claim people are broadbrushing you when they aren't, or to take offense when none was intended, or to personalise issues when no one else has.

Again, it's not like I'm immune to doing this myself and I have-- it's been happening for a while now with you, I've noticed. Just sayin.

re: #115 axegrinder

And got himself elected as an (R) in a very blue state.

/Don't forget that!

re: #115 axegrinder

I personally liked the Mormon. Despite his attempt at health care reform in Mass. he seemed the most economically savvy.

Mitt Romney.

Who was pro-choice before he was against it.

Who was pro-civil-unions before he was against it.

re: #116 iceweasel

This thread? Yes.

However, Gus has occasionally been known to bring that one out without any prompting.

re: #113 axegrinder

I try not to peg. But you're right, I figured you for a fluffy bunny but only because of the 'hate' against the right so prevalent in your earlier post. My bad. I didn't vote at all for two reasons. I'm in Texas and new McCain would take Texas. And two, I dislike McCain so much my eyes bleed when I even think about him. Not a fan. I was very disappointed he got the nomination.

The old McCain could have taken the nation.

Too bad, aye.

Apparently, back in Copenhagen, the security procedures apparently are causing chaos. Evidently security has been beefed up with the arrival of ministerial level people. I imagine on Friday they'll have the place locked down tight.

re: #119 Fenway_Nation

This thread? Yes.

However, Gus has occasionally been known to bring that one out without any prompting.

I only said that once and it was directed at those assholes at Ace of Spades.

re: #118 Gus 802

Ooooh Ooooooh! Does he live at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave?

/didn't know idealogical inconsistency was a barrier to the Presidency

re: #117 Fenway_Nation

And got himself elected as an (R) in a very blue state.

/Don't forget that!

This is true. He would have been a good choice. I think he might have got us out of Afghanistan for economic reasons. It's a mess over there and I doubt very seriously it will be near the success Iraq has been. Both have been horribly expensive. In treasure as well as blood.

re: #123 Fenway_Nation

Ooooh Ooooh! Does he live at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave?

/didn't know idealogical inconsistency was a barrier to the Presidency

What you think I don't know that Obama is a hypocrite regarding gay marriage?

re: #125 Gus 802

Oh wait.....mixed up the order. My point still stands, tho.

re: #95 iceweasel

Yes, it's real tolerant to let the religious beliefs of a few dictate the control of all women's reproductive lives.

Sorry to snip your quote down to this one sentence but I've got to let you know that in spite of what you've been lead to believe not all opposition to, lets use the kind word, "choice," is based on religion. I'm not a religious man. I just asked myself two simple questions.

There may be no easy answers, but, sometimes there are simple answers. You must have the moral conviction to stand up what you believe in.

re: #123 Fenway_Nation

Ooooh Ooooh! Does he live at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave?

/didn't know idealogical inconsistency was a barrier to the Presidency

Also this. Ideological consistency is a pathway towards loyalty. That's what I liked about Romney. He was a muse. The same with McCain.

Well....speaking of employment numbers (we were at some point, weren't we?) I have to be at work in a few hours so I might as well get some shuteye now.

Actually, I meant to get some about 20 minutes ago, but what the hell...?

If anybody wants to point and laugh at some typos, feel free to scroll up to my entry in the spinoff links. Can't seem to get through one of those without some sort of zaftig-digit moment lately.

Politicians have to misrepresent themselves to get elected. The trick is to make both sides think you're really on their side. Obama did this brilliantly. All I had to do was go on his website and see him as the hypocrite they all are. At the top of the economics page the heading in big letters states his dedication to free markets. Then down below that in itty bitty small type are all the tariffs and regulations he supports. I honestly thought he didn't have a snow balls chance of winning right up until Lehman Bros. tanked. Then I had doubts. When McCain ran off and voted for the Stimulus I knew it was over. Obama was going to be President. Sometimes I hate being right.

re: #130 axegrinder

Politicians have to misrepresent themselves to get elected. The trick is to make both sides think you're really on their side. Obama did this brilliantly. All I had to do was go on his website and see him as the hypocrite they all are. At the top of the economics page the heading in big letters states his dedication to free markets. Then down below that in itty bitty small type are all the tariffs and regulations he supports. I honestly thought he didn't have a snow balls chance of winning right up until Lehman Bros. tanked. Then I had doubts. When McCain ran off and voted for the Stimulus I knew it was over. Obama was going to be President. Sometimes I hate being right.

McCain didn't vote for the stimulus. He "ran off" as you say and voted for TARP I which was created by Hank Paulson.

re: #127 BruceKelly

Sorry to snip your quote down to this one sentence but I've got to let you know that in spite of what you've been lead to believe not all opposition to, lets use the kind word, "choice," is based on religion.

I'm fully aware of that, I assure you.

Some of that opposition is merely based on the desire to control women's reproductive lives and sexual choices. And I think it has nothing to do with religion.

re: #128 Gus 802

Also this. Ideological consistency is a pathway towards loyalty. That's what I liked about Romney. He was a muse. The same with McCain.

I actually liked McCain in 2000. I was hoping he'd get the nomination.

McCain in 2008? Like another person. Awful to watch, honestly.

re: #131 Gus 802

McCain didn't vote for the stimulus. He "ran off" as you say and voted for TARP I which was created by Hank Paulson.

Yes, that is correct. But you knew what I was talking about. It looked really, really bad. I wonder why bear stearns got the pass and then lehman didn't. And then TARP? I think there was shenanigans going on. Awful darn cozy with Goldman Sachs it seemed to me as well.

re: #133 iceweasel

I actually liked McCain in 2000. I was hoping he'd get the nomination.

McCain in 2008? Like another person. Awful to watch, honestly.

I numbed myself out and hoped for the best in thinking that McCain was still a rebel while ignoring Palin. When I finally watched the Couric-Palin interview I nearly bent over. Never had I seen such dim bulb in the VP slot.

OK, things just got weirder in Copenhagen.

The president of this meeting, Connie Heidegar of Denmark, just resigned (this was planned, I think.) She is the Environment Minister for Denmark. Her replacement is the Prime Minister of Denmark.

Not surprising, but what it means is that as of now they've kicked it upstairs, so to speak. The "national statements" are about to begin. What this means is that essential time is up for the policy wonks to debate, and now the real fun begins.

Apparently President Obama is deploying his secret weapon (H. Clinton), who will arrive tomorrow.

I'm beginning to wonder if Obama should show up on Friday. Not from a Palin-esque desire to see this effort fail, but I'm wondering if him showing up will put too much pressure on the process. The Chinese, EU, and American positions are still too far apart.

re: #135 Gus 802

I thought Rudy was the best compromise. The rest left me cold. Turned out I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of the major candidates, a position I found myself in 2000 also.

re: #132 iceweasel

I'm fully aware of that, I assure you.

Some of that opposition is merely based on the desire to control women's reproductive lives and sexual choices. And I think it has nothing to do with religion.

My position is not based on religion or any desire to control women's reproductive lives or sexual choices. I promise.

I like the video in your profile link

re: #136 freetoken

Here's hoping he lays the law down. He's good at that sometimes.

Going to hit the hay here. Night all.

re: #135 Gus 802

I numbed myself out and hoped for the best in thinking that McCain was still a rebel while ignoring Palin. When I finally watched the Couric-Palin interview I nearly bent over. Never had I seen such dim bulb in the VP slot.

There are two tragedies (minimum) from the 2008 election cycle:

1) the total destruction of McCain's integrity.
This was a person who really did once have honor and integrity. He got torpedoed in 2000 in the SC primary ('illegitimate black baby' pushpolling). The lesson he apparently learned was that winning was always better than losing, no matter what.
2) McCain gave us Palin.
This blight on the national scene for who knows how long-- THIS is McCain's legacy now to politics.

3) The destruction of the GOP as a serious party. This isn't so much due to the election cycle as the fallout, and I assume it will pass...god I hope so, anyway.

re: #137 freetoken

I thought Rudy was the best compromise.

I was, and still am, a Rudy conservative. I was very disappointed that he just seemed to lay down and give up so early.

re: #141 BruceKelly

I was, and still am, a Rudy conservative. I was very disappointed that he just seemed to lay down and give up so early.

I'm not convinced Rudy really wanted it to begin with, hence the opting out so early.
Also, FWIW, -- there is a lot of dirt on Rudy. The word I got was that people on the left were *hoping* he'd win the nomination, because he has a lot of enemies and they'd been saving up the dirt for a long time.

I'm not sure it'd be enough to sink him, but it would have been ugly.

re: #140 iceweasel

There are two tragedies (minimum) from the 2008 election cycle:

1) the total destruction of McCain's integrity.
This was a person who really did once have honor and integrity. He got torpedoed in 2000 in the SC primary ('illegitimate black baby' pushpolling). The lesson he apparently learned was that winning was always better than losing, no matter what.
2) McCain gave us Palin.
This blight on the national scene for who knows how long-- THIS is McCain's legacy now to politics.

3) The destruction of the GOP as a serious party. This isn't so much due to the election cycle as the fallout, and I assume it will pass...god I hope so, anyway.

Number two is for me the the most painful. God help the GOP if she's "The One."

I just might have to go for... Ron Paul!

Just kidding. I'll stay home like I did last time.

re: #144 axegrinder

Where's the fruitcup?

Didn't you see 143? She's on a book tour, you betcha.

I'm hoping Sarah is a red herring. Let her take all the slings and arrows while making a bundle off the cash cow so readily and freely given her by a gullible press. I don't much care for the kid from Louisiana either. Maybe Cheney and Newt will run. I'd take either one of them in a heartbeat. hmmm. Except Cheney's heartbeat might be a problem. And Newt might not have one. It's a conundrum.

re: #144 axegrinder

Where's the fruitcup?

biting tongue - laughing - biting tongue.

re: #145 iceweasel

Didn't you see 143? She's on a book tour, you betcha.

*wink*

Copenhagen - the Indian and Chinese delegates have interrupted ("point of order") the supposed National Statements segment, complaining that all the negotiations from last night are being skipped over.

This is getting awkward for the PM of Denmark, I think.

That should be Brazil, India, and China are objecting to what is going on.

re: #152 axegrinder

Youse guys are killing me here. Dost thou knowest of whom I speak or not? I've never been on here at 4 am and not have her or a surrogate offer me fruit cup and I'm jonesing. What is the deal?

I think she flounced.

Good morning lizards

re: #152 axegrinder

Well, we don't do fruitcup anymore here, but if it will make you feel better, we do Christmas music:

re: #155 axegrinder

Morning. I'm sad to hear it. But not all that surprised I guess. Things are different in here.

Nothing stays the same forever. Stick around though, we need some conservatives to maintain a balance.

re: #155 axegrinder

Morning. I'm sad to hear it. But not all that surprised I guess. Things are different in here.

What do you mean by 'different in here'?

I ask because you've now asked about this...what, four times? And now claim to 'not be surprised' that she flounced?

Hehe, the Chinese negotiator is getting in a pissing match with the Danish PM...

I wonder who will win.

Diplomacy is fun, if you don't take it too seriously.

re: #155 axegrinder

Certain individuals who were becoming disgruntled with certain aspects around here were developing a parallel blog and, apparently in secret, were convincing others at LGF to join. Because of their secrecy in trying to carve away certain members from this blog, Charles banned several members at the same time.

I was bummed that LoL was one of them, but not surprised.

re: #156 rwdflynavy

Nothing stays the same forever. Stick around though, we need some conservatives to maintain a balance.

Nothing gold can stay, Ponyboy!

We have lots of conservatives even now. The balance is what's special!

re: #161 axegrinder

I just told you why.

I think the Copenhagen PM is going to lose it soon.

re: #142 iceweasel

I'm not convinced Rudy really wanted it to begin with, hence the opting out so early.
Also, FWIW, -- there is a lot of dirt on Rudy. The word I got was that people on the left were *hoping* he'd win the nomination, because he has a lot of enemies and they'd been saving up the dirt for a long time.

I'm not sure it'd be enough to sink him, but it would have been ugly.

You're absolutely right, and it would have sunk him - if not within the GOP then surely in the media. I think Republicans are held to a higher moral standard than Democrats and it's their own damned fault. Republicans are always playing the morality card (made that one up myself).

Live by the sword, die by the sword (I have more cliches but I'll save them for future posts).

re: #159 freetoken

I was bummed that LoL was one of them, but not surprised.

LoL was banned before that. She then went on to help found that other blog, actively recruit other members of LGF for it, all the while lying about having been banned and the reasons for her banning.

And when called on it, and asked by honest and confused people "So, if it's a misunderstanding, why don't you just email Charles?" she lied and claimed she was "too insulted" to email Charles.

Beware of little old ladies bearing fruitcup, seriously.

re: #156 rwdflynavy

Nothing stays the same forever. Stick around though, we need some conservatives to maintain a balance.

Word.

re: #153 rwdflynavy

Good morning lizards

Good morning.... Morning!? Holy Hell!

I think the Danish PM's blood pressure is going up...

The Chinese delegate really knows how to dig. He's a pro at it.

re: #164 BruceKelly

You're absolutely right, and it would have sunk him - if not within the GOP then surely in the media. I think Republicans are held to a higher moral standard than Democrats and it's their own damned fault. Republicans are always playing the morality card (made that one up myself).

Live by the sword, die by the sword (I have more cliches but I'll save them for future posts).

It would have sunk him because the Republicans pander to the theocons and so-cons and religious right. They ARE the family values people, according to them.
And Rudy, apart from his own personal departures from so-con rhetoric, was never much of a fan of them before thinking about national office anyway.

re: #155 axegrinder

Morning. I'm sad to hear it. But not all that surprised I guess. Things are different in here.

I'm kinda new but i've found that a little respect goes a long way.

re: #169 freetoken

I think the Danish PM's blood pressure is going up...

The Chinese delegate really knows how to dig. He's a pro at it.

Is it being livestreamed? link? (too lazy to google etc)

re: #170 iceweasel

It would have sunk him because the Republicans pander to the theocons and so-cons and religious right. They ARE the family values people, according to them.
And Rudy, apart from his own personal departures from so-con rhetoric, was never much of a fan of them before thinking about national office anyway.

Exactly. And just for the record, although I am a con, I am non of the afore-mentioned cons.

Did that sound right?

Madhi Bray, the executive director of the Muslim American Society, is busy spinning the Jihad Johnnies on Fox. They were booored.

re: #172 iceweasel

[Link: www6.cop15.meta-fusion.com...]

The National Statements have just begun (the Danish PM, who presides over the conference, decided to go ahead with the schedule over the various objections of China, Brazil, etc.)

The VP of Sudan is speaking now, speaking as Sudan is the chair of the G77+China group.

You're a hard person to figure out iceweasel. you upding both sides of an argument. I like that. I hope we're still friends.

Wow, quite a little slapfight in the crankosphere between the psychotic Jeff Godlstein and patterico over the last few days, I see. Wolcott is on it!

Yes, while the rest of us were blithely going on with our Christmassy lives and preparing our aluminum poles for Festivus, an ugly blogwar broke out in the right hemisphere of Godzilla-versus-Mothra scope and fury, featuring volley after return volley of fiery halitosis and hair-splitting pedantry. Escalating a minor dispute into an all-engulfing shit fit, Protein Wisdom's Jeff Goldstein and Patterico's Pontifications' Patrick Frey locked themselves in a mutual-destruction danse macabre that couldn't be more gaudy and futile if I had scripted it myself, in my recurring role as Mischievous Trickster. The catalyst for this duel at Diablo was an inquiry into whether certain moldy comments written in the nineties by conservative journalist and carnival barker Robert Stacy McCain revealed telltale residue of racism. This evolved into a Goldstein tutorial on authorial intent full of jargon and bluster which was met by Patrick Frey in a tedious display of his own brand of bravado, with ratfucky posters rushing to and fro from the comments sections of the two blogs with pipsqueak Iago poisonings of innuendo and incitement to keep everything at full spite.

Of course at root this really isn't about accusations of racism or authorial intent or who promised to delete which emails or who banned whom from commenting, this is simply a foam-rubber swordfight between two sore, angry egos too fatuously proud to stand down.

I doubt inside blogball is entertaining to anyone but me, but I thought 'carnival barker.' was a perfect way to describe RSM.

re: #175 MandyManners

Madhi Bray, the executive director of the Muslim American Society, is busy spinning the Jihad Johnnies on Fox. They were booored.

He actually compared them to gang-bangers. Yeah, all the gang-bangers I know sneak off to foreign nations to plot how to blow shit up and take down the government.

re: #177 BruceKelly

You're a hard person to figure out iceweasel. you upding both sides of an argument. I like that. I hope we're still friends.

I upding people I disagree with 1) when they make me laugh, even if they're insulting me (maybe 'especially if'), 2) when they make me think, 3) when they produce a cogent, thoughtful, smart post I may continue to disagree with in every way but still recognise as cogent, thoughtful, etc... 4) randomly.

We're defintiely friends! sorry, i'm doing things while posting here or I'd have written more sooner. I like smart people I can have good discussions with, especially people I don't already agree with, you're ok with me. :)

The next time The Kid tells me he's bored, I'm gonna' buy him a ticket for Pakistan!

Denmark's climate minister's quit.

re: #182 MandyManners

See my comment above. Connie essentially stepped aside for her PM, who now takes over as the other leaders start to speak (see my link just upstream.) It is more a matter of protocol than anything else, but is telling that at this point there is no agreement, when there should have been one if a meaningful treaty was going to be signed.

re: #178 iceweasel

Wow, quite a little slapfight in the crankosphere between the psychotic Jeff Godlstein and patterico over the last few days, I see. Wolcott is on it!
....

Blogwars crack me up. The only thing I know about these two is I don't like Patterico. He's way to quick to support out of control proseutors.

re: #180 iceweasel

I upding people I disagree with 1) when they make me laugh, even if they're insulting me (maybe 'especially if').......

and same here. A funny insult always gets a +1

re: #180 iceweasel

I upding people I disagree with 1) when they make me laugh, even if they're insulting me (maybe 'especially if'), 2) when they make me think, 3) when they produce a cogent, thoughtful, smart post I may continue to disagree with in every way but still recognise as cogent, thoughtful, etc... 4) randomly.

We're defintiely friends! sorry, i'm doing things while posting here or I'd have written more sooner. I like smart people I can have good discussions with, especially people I don't already agree with, you're ok with me. :)

I'll take that as a compliment if it's okay with you. and...

/backatcha (finger shot and wink)

Morning people

The negotiators continue their pissing match in this room:

[Link: www2.cop15.meta-fusion.com...]

While their bosses speak in the main hall.

BTW, Senator Kerry will be giving a press conference in 6 minutes... I'm sure you all wouldn't want to miss that.

Kim Jong Il looks like crap. Does he have pancreatic cancer? I thought that was a quick killer.

re: #187 freetoken

The negotiators continue their pissing match in this room:

[Link: www2.cop15.meta-fusion.com...]

While their bosses speak in the main hall.

BTW, Senator Kerry will be giving a press conference in 6 minutes... I'm sure you all wouldn't want to miss that.

Lemme' get an apple and a few cubes of sugar.

BTW, Senator Kerry will be giving a press conference in 6 minutes... I'm sure you all wouldn't want to miss that.

//Oh hell no (leaves to make a pot of coffee).

re: #190 BruceKelly

If it helps, I don't think they are live streaming it. However, it might show up later as a recording, as some of the side meetings have been.

re: #184 RogueOne

and same here. A funny insult always gets a +1

Yep! I'll also upding ironically, if someone is on a downding spree against me (downdinging everything I post no matter how innocuous, including posts like "Hello!"-- heh.)

WTF, right?-- I'm no fan of patterico at all but I think jeff g is psycho. As in, I genuinely think the guy has severe psychological and emotional problems. This comment thread I'm reading over there isn't disabusing me of that notion by any means.

BHO is gonna' love the Chinese for their infrastructure even more.

Construction on a massive bridge linking Hong Kong with Macau and the mainland Chinese city of Zhuhai began Tuesday, in an effort to more closely link three major economies of southern China.

The six-lane Y-shaped bridge across southern China's Pearl River delta will be jointly constructed by the three cities over six years and will be one of the country's most technically complicated engineering projects, requiring the creation of several artificial islands.

SNIP

The British defense ministry says two British soldiers and two Afghan soldiers have been killed in a suspected suicide bombing in southern Afghanistan.

The ministry says the troops were caught in an explosion while on patrol in the Sangin district of Helmand province on Tuesday.

Earlier in the day, a U.S. soldier was killed in a bomb attack elsewhere in the region.

This year has been the deadliest for U.S. troops in Afghanistan since international forces toppled the Taliban in 2001.

Early Tuesday, a suicide car bomber struck Kabul's heavily secured main diplomatic and residential district Tuesday, killing at least eight people and wounding 40 others.

Authorities say the attack in the upscale neighborhood of Wazir Akbar Khan appeared to target former Vice President Ahmad Zia Massoud.

Massoud is the brother of Taliban opponent and famed guerrilla fighter Ahmad Shah Massoud, who was killed by al-Qaida two days before the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

Kids are now required to be taught to about labor unions in Wisconsin.

*rolls eyes*

Breaking news: Ben Bernanke has been named Time's Person of the Year.

Expect massive head explosions from the Ronulan sector.

re: #195 MandyManners

Kids are now required to be taught to about labor unions in Wisconsin.

*rolls eyes*

Taught what about them?
Unions are an important part of American history and you won't understand large parts of American history if you don't know about Lewis Sinclair, the Triangle Factory Fire, the Molly McGuires, and much more.

The President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, that is Hugo Chavez, is scheduled to speak soon in his own press conference:

Live stream:
[Link: www3.cop15.meta-fusion.com...]

We'll see if he shows up.

Whoops-- I meant Upton Sinclair. With that I'm out!

Time for bye bye!

re: #196 SixDegrees

Breaking news: Ben Bernanke has been named Time's Person of the Year.

Expect massive head explosions from the Ronulan sector.

You mean BHO didn't win it?

Hamas Says Will Unite With Iran if Israel Attacks

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Islamist militant groups will fight alongside Iran if the country is attacked by Israel, exiled Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal said on Tuesday.

Israel has not ruled out military action against Iran if diplomacy fails to end a dispute over Tehran's nuclear programme, which the United States and its allies suspect is aimed at building an atomic bomb. Iran denies such an ambition, saying it wants to generate electricity using nuclear power.

"All Islamist militant groups will form a united front with Iran against Israel if it attacks Iran," Meshaal, visiting Iran, told a news conference broadcast live on state television.

"We are all parts of the same body ... We all should fight against the mutual enemy. But how, the leaders will decide, based on our capacities."

SNIP

re: #200 MandyManners

You mean BHO didn't win it?

Heads will roll, which reminds me, did you know that in a prior life I survived the French revolution?

That'll look good on my resume'.

re: #201 Bloodnok

Hamas Says Will Unite With Iran if Israel Attacks

SNIP

It'll be no big thing to bomb the shit out of both Hamas and Iran simultaneously.

re: #202 BruceKelly

Heads will roll, which reminds me, did you know that in a prior life I survived the French revolution?

That'll look good on my resume'.

You're quite the wit!

BTW, love the avatar.

re: #204 MandyManners

You're quite the wit!

BTW, love the avatar.

Thank you, actually, I'm just older and I've stolen a lot of good material.

Hehe... some protesters just came in and crashed the national level statements. Probably some invited NGOs.

re: #195 MandyManners

Kids are now required to be taught to about labor unions in Wisconsin.

*rolls eyes*

you gotta be kidding me. because nothing says 'american values' like being paid not to work at Ford...

Looked like Hugo skipped his scheduled presser, but I'm sure he will find a way to hold one later.

He will be up in the main hall, supposedly, after the current speaker (who is the President of Mali, dressed well in bright green).

Stream it live here:
[Link: www6.cop15.meta-fusion.com...]

Be sure to press the "English" tab for translation.

re: #201 Bloodnok

Translation: we will bring pillows to the gun show, so help us...

Hugo is up!

see link above.

"There is an imperial dictatorship in the world".

"There is no democracy in the world."

"There's a ghost lurking..."

"And Karl Marx said..."

"And that ghost is a terrible ghost... capitalism. Capitalism is that ghost."

Beat officers 'prevented terror attack by stopping suspicious tourist'

A terrorist attack on London was averted because two beat patrol officers stopped a man who was acting suspiciously while filming with a mobile phone, police claimed yesterday.

The Algerian man said that he was a tourist, but when his phone was examined it yielded 90 minutes of footage of stations, security cameras and shopping centres.

...The woman constable who stopped the terror suspect inside Liverpool Street station became suspicious because he was using a Nokia N95, the same model of phone that she owned. The officer noticed that the man was covering with his finger the red light indicating that the phone was in video mode.

'Obama got the Nobel the same day he sent 30k soldiers off to kill innocent people in Afghanistan'

what a retard

"If the climate was a bank, a capitalist bank, they would have saved it..."

He just took a dug at Obama for receiving the Nobel, while sending troops to Afghanistan.

re: #201 Bloodnok

Hamas Says Will Unite With Iran if Israel Attacks

SNIP

we talked about this very thing a year ago....scary, but certainly Israel has to consider getting blindsided by Hamas in this event....maybe that's exactly why Israel has balked so far to disarm Iran....what a mess...sure would be nice if there was some backup in there

Oh, no, Chavez is quoting Jesus "easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle".

re: #188 MandyManners

Kim Jong Il looks like crap. Does he have pancreatic cancer? I thought that was a quick killer.

It is about the deadliest cancer to get. My FIL passed in Sept after about 15 months diagnosed. He beat the odds living that long.

Freetoken - do you know the author he's quoting? I can't make it out.

re: #219 Aceofwhat?

Nope.

Love hearing the dictator of an oil-producing country say that climate change is the biggest danger facing us now...

bbiab

I'm shocked!
/

Mystery as Lockerbie bomber goes missing from home and hospital

Mystery surrounded the Lockerbie bomber last night after he could not be reached at his home or in hospital.

Libyan officials could say nothing about the whereabouts of Abdul Baset Ali al-Megrahi, and his Scottish monitors could not contact him by telephone. They will try again to speak to him today but if they fail to reach him, the Scottish government could face a new crisis.

Under the terms of his release from jail, the bomber cannot change his address or leave Tripoli, and must keep in regular communication with East Renfrewshire Council.

Politicians on both sides of the Atlantic and relatives of the 270 people who died in the 1988 bombing expressed anger about al-Megrahi’s disappearance. Richard Baker, Labour’s justice spokesman in the Scottish Parliament, said the whole affair was turning into a shambles and putting Scotland’s reputation at risk. “This flags up just how ludicrous it is that East Renfrewshire Council, a local council thousands of miles away from Libya, is responsible for supervising al-Megrahi’s conditions of licence,” he said.

re: #216 albusteve

Good morning my friend! Yesterday when I went into the office, my boss handed me 2 tickets to the Cowboys/Redskin game in DC.

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning my friend! Yesterday when I went into the office, my boss handed me 2 tickets to the Cowboys/Redskin game in DC.

That's the Redskins SuperBowl this year!

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning my friend! Yesterday when I went into the office, my boss handed me 2 tickets to the Cowboys/Redskin game in DC.

2 tickets? What are you gonna do with the second one? No anyone who lives about 20 minutes from the stadium? Some fellow lizard perhaps? :)

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning my friend! Yesterday when I went into the office, my boss handed me 2 tickets to the Cowboys/Redskin game in DC.

lucky you...should be a good one...I had to pass on the Oakland game in Dallas, too sick to travel...NFL games are a blast and your game is an authentic NFL rivalry

re: #225 Mad Al-Jaffee

Know.

PIMF

re: #224 rwdflynavy

That's the Redskins SuperBowl this year!

I am so pumped. I can't decide if I should wear my Novacek jersey or my Romo jersey.

did Bloodnok have to split?....bummer

Kind of mild for Chavez... long and wordy, with enough hyperbole to put his mark on it, but missing a bit of of the most fiery mannerisms.

Did just claim though that the US is still trying to overthrow Venezuela.

re: #225 Mad Al-Jaffee

2 tickets? What are you gonna do with the second one? No anyone who lives about 20 minutes from the stadium? Some fellow lizard perhaps? :)

Damn, didn't know that. My buddy from Cape Cod is coming down for the game.

"Christ, Mohammed, ...", he is laying on the religion.

Mentioned Darwin too, just to touch all the bases.

re: #228 NJDhockeyfan

I am so pumped. I can't decide if I should wear my Novacek jersey or my Romo jersey.

fans are not gonna like either one

re: #226 albusteve

lucky you...should be a good one...I had to pass on the Oakland game in Dallas, too sick to travel...NFL games are a blast and your game is an authentic NFL rivalry

I haven't been to a Cowboys game in a long time. I can't think of a better game to go to, except maybe the Philly game because it may decide who wins the NFC East. I have always wanted to go to a Redskins/Cowboys game.

re: #233 albusteve

fans are not gonna like either one

Heh.

re: #231 NJDhockeyfan

Damn, didn't know that. My buddy from Cape Cod is coming down for the game.

That's okay, have fun. I'm not looking forward to the Skins/Giants Monday Night Football game.

re: #236 Mad Al-Jaffee

That's okay, have fun. I'm not looking forward to the Skins/Giants Monday Night Football game.

I am rooting for the Skins in that one.

re: #233 albusteve

fans are not gonna like either one

Yeah, but they (probably) won't assault you like some other fans (a couple hours north of here) would. ;)

WTF ?!?!

Virginia Middle School Cancels Taliban Debate

Arlington, Va. (AP) - A middle school principal in Virginia has called off an assignment that asked some students to represent the views of the Taliban in a mock United Nations debate.

Eighth graders at Swanson Middle School in Arlington had been asked to research nine conflicts around the world, including Afghanistan, and debate solutions. Some students would have presented the Taliban's views.

But Principal Chrystal Forrester dropped Afghanistan from the list Monday. She says she didn't want controversy to undermine a lesson about building persuasive arguments and supporting them with research.

Parent Chris Wilson, whose daughter was one of those asked to represent the Taliban, says he found it morally questionable to ask students to echo the extremist Islamic group.

Imagine schools in the 40s asking students to represent Nazis in mock debates.

The AV Club presents The 19-plus worst films of 2009

I'm proud to say I haven't seen any of them.

re: #238 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah, but they (probably) won't assault you like some other fans (a couple hours north of here) would. ;)

my dear Philly buddy refuses to even attempt to protect me if I wear a Cowboy ballcap around town...as it is he shows me off as a real Boys fan to his buddies and they gawk and spook me....place is dangerous up there..I like Phily aside from that tho

re: #238 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah, but they (probably) won't assault you like some other fans (a couple hours north of here) would. ;)

I know. I was there in 1980 to see the Boys play when I was a teenager. I had all my Cowboys shit on and was headed to the concession stand when some guy looked at me and said "Son, you've got guts."

re: #242 NJDhockeyfan

I know. I was there in 1980 to see the Boys play when I was a teenager. I had all my Cowboys shit on and was headed to the concession stand when some guy looked at me and said "Son, you've got guts."

Someone gave my dad a Clemson University windbreaker, which he wore to a University of South Carolina game. They hooted and hollered so much he took it off and sat on it.

Morning all.

So sometime in the wee early morning hours I was visited by the snowblowing driveway fairy again. We got a bunch of snow last night and since I have to actually go somewhere today I went out to start shoveling and it was already done.

Still have no idea who is doing it because I keep missing them. I'm starting to think they're invisible or something.

re: #244 Jadespring

You should build a snowman and see if he has a smile on his face the next day.

re: #230 freetoken

Kind of mild for Chavez... long and wordy, with enough hyperbole to put his mark on it, but missing a bit of of the most fiery mannerisms.

Did just claim though that the US is still trying to overthrow Venezuela.

Love it.
"Absolute power corrupts even when exercised for humane purposes. The benevolent despot who sees himself as a shepherd of the people still demands from others the submissiveness of sheep. The taint inherent in absolute power is not its inhumanity but its anti-humanity."
-Eric Hoffer

"Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries."
-Douglas Casey

re: #244 Jadespring

Morning all.

So sometime in the wee early morning hours I was visited by the snowblowing driveway fairy again. We got a bunch of snow last night and since I have to actually go somewhere today I went out to start shoveling and it was already done.

Still have no idea who is doing it because I keep missing them. I'm starting to think they're invisible or something.

When I lived in Northern VA my neighbor would sno-blow my driveway everytime it snowed. He was awesome!

re: #245 Mad Al-Jaffee

You should build a snowman and see if he has a smile on his face the next day.

Actually building a snowman at the top of the driveway that holds a big neon 'Thank you!' sign isn't a bad idea.

I just really want to at least acknowledge and express my appreciation to whomever it is. I'm doing some Christmas baking today so the next time it snows maybe I'll set my alarm early to try to catch them so I can run out a plate of yummies.

At least they are honest about it...

...I put the question to a Democratic strategist who asked to remain anonymous. Yes, Democrats certainly understand that voters don't like the current bills, he told me, and they are fully aware they will probably pay a price next year. But they have found a way to view going ahead anyway as the logical thing to do, at least in their eyes.

You have to look at the issue from three different Democratic perspectives: the House of Representatives, the White House and the Senate.

"In the House, the view of [California Rep. Henry] Waxman and [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi is that we've waited two generations to get health care passed, and the 20 or 40 members of Congress who are going to lose their seats as a result are transitional players at best," he said. "This is something the party has wanted since Franklin Roosevelt." In this view, losses are just the price of doing something great and historic. (The strategist also noted that it's easy for Waxman and Pelosi to say that, since they come from safely liberal districts.)

[snip]

re: #240 Mad Al-Jaffee

The AV Club presents The 19-plus worst films of 2009

I'm proud to say I haven't seen any of them.

Me either, and I see a lot of movies. Thanks for the link. I'll be passing it around to all my friends today.

The federal government quietly agreed to forgo billions of dollars in potential tax payments from Citigroup as part of the deal announced this week to wean the company from the massive taxpayer bailout that helped it survive the financial crisis.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

massive tax break for Wall Street...of course the feds own part of Citigroup

re: #247 rwdflynavy

When I lived in Northern VA my neighbor would sno-blow my driveway everytime it snowed. He was awesome!

Yeah whoever is doing it is totally awesome! They must have a pretty big snowblower, maybe it's on a small tractor, because they seem to get in and out really quick.

The weird thing is that my dogs generally go barking crazy when anything, animal or human even steps on the property. They bark at people on the other side of the road even but with this, silence.

re: #218 rwdflynavy

It is about the deadliest cancer to get. My FIL passed in Sept after about 15 months diagnosed. He beat the odds living that long.

Didn't the Kimchi ShortShit also have a stroke?

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

I'm shocked!
/

Mystery as Lockerbie bomber goes missing from home and hospital

Maybe he's in Pakistan.

re: #249 NJDhockeyfan

At least they are honest about it...

Damn.

re: #253 MandyManners

Didn't the Kimchi ShortShit also have a stroke?

I heard he has a better healthcare plan than most of the proletariat...

re: #250 BruceKelly

Me either, and I see a lot of movies. Thanks for the link. I'll be passing it around to all my friends today.

I never heard of any of those movies except for Transformers.