Breitbart Shocked, Shocked to Find That Birtherism is Going on at TeaBagCon

There are reports that the Tea Party Convention organizers are planning a press conference today to denounce Birtherism, after Joseph Farah’s speech last night.

It seems a little late to start worrying about it, the day after the keynote speaker unleashed a full-on paranoid Birther rant to a cheering audience and a standing ovation.

And it’s not as if anyone can claim they didn’t know what Farah was going to talk about — World Net Daily is wingnut kook central, with a permanent section of the front page devoted to the latest crackpot Birther fantasies.

But some people want us to think they didn’t see it coming; for example, Andrew Breitbart.

I [Dave Weigel] spotted Farah and asked him if his speech had been approved by Tea Party Nation.

“They asked me to speak,” said Farah. “They didn’t ask me, ‘What do you want to speak about?’ No, this operates like a free and open society, not like the kind of Marxist society you would apparently like to be a journalist for.”

I told Farah that his speech was getting negative attention already, and that Breitbart, who’d taken the stage after him, had criticized the “birther” parts of the speech. Farah shook his head and walked over to Breitbart in what seemed like an attempt to debunk my question.

“Andrew is my friend,” said Farah. “He has the right to disagree, and he has the right to say anything to a socialist newspaper that he wants. And if he wants to criticize his friend to you, and he’s dumb enough to do that…”

Breitbart raised his eyebrows. “I’m dumb to do what?”

“Criticize your friend to this socialist newspaper.”

“I was talking to her,” said Breitbart, pointing to Schilling. “I was talking to you. And I was saying that I disagreed on the birther stuff.”

[…]

“I should prove, what, a birth certificate that may or may not exist?” Farah had gotten irritated. “That’s ridiculous. You don’t even understand the fundamental tenets of what journalism is about, Andrew. It’s not about proving things. It’s about asking questions and seeking truth.”

Breitbart tensed up after that insult. “Right.”

“I know you’re not a journalist, so that’s fine. But don’t diminish people who’ve been doing this for 35 years.

“So you’re going to go on record saying that I’m not a journalist?”

“Are you? I’ve never heard you claim to be. Are you?”

“I’ll let it be answered by you.”

“Well, I knew Drudge didn’t consider himself a journalist, so I assumed that you were. … I don’t know, I’m not trying to insult you.”

“You did.”

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578 comments
1 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:08:37pm

the ship be sinkin’

2 Mich-again  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:10:50pm

Rule 1: Never argue with an idiot.

3 rwmofo  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:12:25pm

This “Birther” idiocy reminds me of he newly found Nixon tapes from a couple years ago. People actually give a shit about that? Now?

Good for Breitbart. Shove it down their throats.

4 Irenicum  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:12:54pm

I’m experiencing hard core schadenfreude.

5 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:12:58pm

Farah: “My job as a journalist is to seek the truth.”

Dude. Quit seeking it in Orly Taitz’s notebook.

6 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:13:09pm

re: #2 Mich-again

Rule 1: Never argue with an idiot.

of course, that eliminates many potential arguers …

7 philosophus invidius  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:13:16pm

Birtherism is a fundamental tenet of WND. That and: build solar panels in your home in one hour!

8 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:13:53pm

re: #7 philosophus invidius

Birtherism is a fundamental tenet of WND. That and: build solar panels in your home in one hour!

with “buying gold” a close second …

9 rwmofo  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:14:24pm

re: #2 Mich-again

Rule 1: Never argue with an idiot.

Rule #2: Never fight with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.

10 Irenicum  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:15:31pm

re: #9 rwmofo

And never fight a land war in Asia!

11 HappyWarrior  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:15:53pm

Gee Breitbart, is the pope’s Catholicism also a shock to you? What an idiot.

12 Professor Chaos  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:16:39pm

I’d love to see just how many of these dumbasses can actually give a correct definition of socialism. Very few, I’d wager, and yet they throw the word around everywhere.

13 Irenicum  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:17:26pm

Breitbart and Farah: Ignorant and ignoranter

14 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:21:06pm

Warning, do not read this —

It’s not about proving things. It’s about asking questions and seeking truth.”


Too late.

There goes your brain.

15 Irenicum  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:21:46pm

Billy: Mommy, do teabaggers eat their own?
Mommy: Yes Billy, they do.

16 rwmofo  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:22:20pm

re: #6 _RememberTonyC

of course, that eliminates many potential arguers …

I have a couple approaches to interacting with people with whom I have no interest (primarily sales people).

Never answer their questions. Only ask questions - even questions totally unrelated to their point. Then you eventually tell them “OK, I’ll let you go. See ya.”

Second, if you need to go to a mall, there may be sales people at the kiosks who try to engage you. Just point behind them and say, “Hey, that guy’s stealing your shit.” They’ll spin around to see what you’re pointing at and you’ll be gone before they realize that you punked them.

17 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:24:01pm

WHEN MUCKRAKERS WHINE: NEXT ON TRU TV

What a gong show. I can’t wait to see the stupid that happens next with these people.

18 lawhawk  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:24:42pm

re: #12 Girth

Gallup had an interesting poll, which found that Democrats generally liked capitalism and socialism. I’m thinking that most folks don’t know what socialism means but when you’ve got Democrats and self-identifying liberals giving a positive spin to socialism and capitalism, something’s up with Democrats and self-identifying liberals:

There are significant differences in reactions to “socialism” across ideological and partisan groups:

*
A majority of 53% of Democrats have a positive image of socialism, compared to 17% of Republicans.
*
Sixty-one percent of liberals say their image of socialism is positive, compared to 39% of moderates and 20% of conservatives.

Now, perhaps Democrats are hoping for a mixed economic structure, but capitalism and socialism are at different ends of the economic spectrum

19 Mich-again  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:24:46pm

re: #10 Irenicum

And never fight a land war in Asia!

Never wise up a chump and never give a sucker an even break.

20 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:25:25pm

“Socialist newspapers” Come on! It’s like we’re in 1984 and these people use the word “socialist” the way those people use the word “plusnotgood” (or whatever it was) just to decry that they hate without explaining why.

21 Irenicum  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:25:27pm

re: #14 Ojoe

How strangely PoMo of him. A walking personification of incoherence.

22 Vambo  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:26:28pm
You don’t even understand the fundamental tenets of what journalism is about, Andrew. It’s not about proving things. It’s about asking questions and seeking truth.”

A good journalist keeps asking the same damn question over and over and over even after it’s been answered - is that right?

23 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:26:32pm

re: #16 rwmofo


Second, if you need to go to a mall, there may be sales people at the kiosks who try to engage you. Just point behind them and say, “Hey, that guy’s stealing your shit.” They’ll spin around to see what you’re pointing at and you’ll be gone before they realize that you punked them.

Oh God the cell-phone toadies! I almost never go to malls anymore, but when I do, I have to run the gauntlet of cell-phone barkers. All they get from me are excuses that make no sense as I hurry by.

“Sir, a moment of your time?”

“Sorry man…my mom. She’s…she’s old.”

24 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:26:52pm

re: #6 _RememberTonyC

of course, that eliminates many potential arguers …

What do you do when an idiot tries to argue with you, just try and leave the conversation?

25 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:27:06pm

Uh, didn’t Farah release parts of his speech prior to giving it?

26 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:27:10pm

Call me Crazy.. But..I thought political parties only have conventions to nominate some one for the Office of the President..
Am I missing something here?
Has there ever been a time in the History of the United States a Non-Party did not nominate a non-candidate a year after the election?

27 iceweasel  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:27:45pm

I know it’s been said before, but it is impossible for anyone to know who Farah is and be ‘surprised’ that he would have given a speech about teh nirth kertifikat.

I finally read all of that Farah speech, or at least the preliminary one he’d posted, and apart from the birth certificate nonsense there was a lot of deeply disturbing religious babble. IMO it was even more disturbing than the birth certificate nonsense. The connection of the two is troubling. I don’t even think he’s playing solely to the conspiracy nuts and racists any more— I think he’s calling out to the Obama is the Antichrist! people. (And the people who want civil war.)

28 allegro  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:28:14pm

re: #24 jamesfirecat

What do you do when an idiot tries to argue with you, just try and leave the conversation?

I find that a “who farted?” look followed by laughter often does the trick.

29 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:29:10pm

re: #18 lawhawk

Gallup had an interesting poll, which found that Democrats generally liked capitalism and socialism. I’m thinking that most folks don’t know what socialism means but when you’ve got Democrats and self-identifying liberals giving a positive spin to socialism and capitalism, something’s up with Democrats and self-identifying liberals:

Now, perhaps Democrats are hoping for a mixed economic structure, but capitalism and socialism are at different ends of the economic spectrum

And yet, somehow, the Germans……

30 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:29:53pm

re: #18 lawhawk

Gallup had an interesting poll, which found that Democrats generally liked capitalism and socialism. I’m thinking that most folks don’t know what socialism means but when you’ve got Democrats and self-identifying liberals giving a positive spin to socialism and capitalism, something’s up with Democrats and self-identifying liberals:

Now, perhaps Democrats are hoping for a mixed economic structure, but capitalism and socialism are at different ends of the economic spectrum

This fine feathered Democrat would like to see a little of that health care sugar they have in Northern Europe: en.wikipedia.org


Sweden’s entire population has equal access to health care services. The Swedish health care system is government-funded and heavily decentralized. The health care system in Sweden is financed primarily through taxes levied by county councils and municipalities.

Sweden regularly comes top or close to the top of worldwide healthcare rankings.

Socialism! Or at least that’s what everyone spazzes out and calls it. I just call it “logic” and “a good idea.”

31 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:30:17pm

That is the problem with a convention where everyone openly embraces their inner crazy, some find that certain flavors of crazy are still distasteful to them.

32 HappyWarrior  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:30:29pm

It’s scary the way they talk. I was no fan of Bush but I wanted him out the democratic way i.e. voting him out in 2004 and people to Congress who would oppose him and his agenda. But the way the teapartiers rhetoric comes across it seems like they actively view Obama as an enemy of America itself and talk about revolution. One of the most important lessons I learned in American history was just how important the election of 1800 was. It was a peaceful transfer of power between Adams and Jefferson and if you think about that, it was truly an unique thing in history to that point. I’m taking modern Latin American history now and the years following their successful revolutions involved many civil wars between factions.

33 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:30:40pm

re: #18 lawhawk

Gallup had an interesting poll, which found that Democrats generally liked capitalism and socialism. I’m thinking that most folks don’t know what socialism means but when you’ve got Democrats and self-identifying liberals giving a positive spin to socialism and capitalism, something’s up with Democrats and self-identifying liberals:

Now, perhaps Democrats are hoping for a mixed economic structure, but capitalism and socialism are at different ends of the economic spectrum

Maybe it’s like how someone might both have a positive view of the military and at the same time be an advocate for world peace, or support what our soldiers are doing in war “X”.

Though I’ll admit being confused on the issue is the more likely reason…

34 iceweasel  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:31:13pm

re: #25 Stanley Sea

Uh, didn’t Farah release parts of his speech prior to giving it?

Yes, he did. And this is how it ends:

n other words, government wants to be your god – your one and only god.

And the God of the Bible – the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God who led the chosen people out of Egypt and the God who led them back into Israel in the last century – represents real competition.

After all, the God of the Christians and Jews says: “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”

That’s His first commandment. And His second doesn’t make Him any easier to swallow: Don’t worship idols.

That’s pretty much what the U.S. government has become for many Americans.

And God says: “Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.”

You see, it’s kind of a mutual aversion situation.

The impact is already being felt in America today, as government becomes godlike in the lives of so many citizens. We’re paying a price for it – and will continue to pay a bigger price for it for generations.

Even many Christians don’t see this yet. Most don’t have their own priorities in life straight – not putting God first in their own lives. Too many Christians and Jews believe they are not to question government – wrongly thinking it is somehow unbiblical.

They fail to understand the day is coming when not only individuals will be judged by God, but nations as well – even rulers.

Psalm 110 spells it out in pretty graphic terms: “The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath. He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.”

No, that’s not going to be a pretty sight. And if America were judged by that standard, it wouldn’t fare well.

Unless, of course, we as a people change our ways.

But how?

The answer is simple.

You can find it in 2 Chronicles 7:14:

“If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

Do you think we are capable of recognizing we are headed in the wrong direction?

It’s not just a matter of electing the right leaders. Our leaders are a judgment on us. We’ve got to get our spiritual priorities straight. We’ve got to recognize that our government is either a blessing or a curse on us.

Americans were blessed with some great leaders in the past – when our citizens understood the limitations of government and the fact that our all-just, almighty Creator has no limitations on his power.

Do you think we can find our way home before it’s too late?

Don’t wait for someone to lead you. Don’t allow any politician or demagogue to hijack this beautiful movement.

Let’s start taking America back right now.

Farah’s nirtherism is NOT the only reason to be disturbed by that speech. I’m not even convinced it’s the primary reason to be disturbed by him any more, either.

35 Mich-again  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:31:23pm

re: #24 jamesfirecat

I can get my point across without arguing.

36 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:32:11pm
37 Racer X  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:32:16pm

Bush is a fascist!
Obama is a socialist!

And I am the boogey man.

38 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:32:37pm

re: #15 Irenicum

Billy: Mommy, do teabaggers eat their own?
Mommy: Yes Billy, they do.

Probably bound to happen. After a certain point, money and fine points of ideology came into play. Both will give a developing movement a bit of a jab in the backside.

39 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:32:56pm

re: #34 iceweasel

That. Is fucking creepy.

Guess we’ll find out in 2012 just how much backing zealots have…

40 HappyWarrior  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:33:21pm

The thing about “socialism” is that there are many things in society i.e. the forty hour work week and the ban of child labor that were advocated by socialists. The problem with extreme capitalists and Marxists is that they seem to think that nothing from the opposing system works or is evil. There are a lot of aspects of what could be called capitalism that appeal to me and some socialist aspects that appeal to me too. People think it’s all or none which really ignorantly simplifies the whole situation.

41 allegro  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:33:22pm

re: #18 lawhawk

Now, perhaps Democrats are hoping for a mixed economic structure, but capitalism and socialism are at different ends of the economic spectrum

I don’t see them as mutually exclusive. There are things such as defense, education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc. that are best done at an “economy of scale” that are by all rights socialist constructs. It’s what the US is doing now (in some cases, healthcare excluded) and works quite well. Capitalism, regulated as much as necessary to preclude abuse, in anti-trust laws, consumer protection, etc. is great for what it does.

42 Racer X  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:33:57pm

re: #36 MandyManners

The military is not the opposite of world peace.

An effective military is essential for world peace.

43 rwmofo  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:34:08pm

re: #24 jamesfirecat

What do you do when an idiot tries to argue with you, just try and leave the conversation?

Start talking about the Tigers relief pitchers - in the minor leagues.

44 Mich-again  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:34:19pm

re: #34 iceweasel

Hallelujah and pass the ammunition.

45 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:34:19pm

re: #36 MandyManners

The military is not the opposite of world peace.

Like I said being confused is probably the real problem.

Of course if the Republicans keep calling the idea of “socalized medicare” “socialism” then it would make sense why people would think “yeah I like our current system, but I’m really hankering for some of that public option socialism” .

I think we need to do a study and see how many people on either side who use the word “socialist” know what it means….

46 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:34:22pm

re: #26 HoosierHoops

Call me Crazy.. But..I thought political parties only have conventions to nominate some one for the Office of the President..
Am I missing something here?
Has there ever been a time in the History of the United States a Non-Party did not nominate a non-candidate a year after the election?

I think this may be more of a conference, really.

47 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:34:47pm

re: #41 allegro

I don’t see them as mutually exclusive. There are things such as defense, education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc. that are best done at an “economy of scale” that are by all rights socialist constructs. It’s what the US is doing now (in some cases, healthcare excluded) and works quite well. Capitalism, regulated as much as necessary to preclude abuse, in anti-trust laws, consumer protection, etc. is great for what it does.

Fire departments.

Socialism!

48 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:35:00pm

re: #42 Racer X

An effective military is essential for world peace.

The Marines are bad-ass

49 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:35:16pm

re: #34 iceweasel

Dang. It’s the crazy religion hiding behind birtherism.

50 rwmofo  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:35:57pm

re: #26 HoosierHoops

Call me Crazy.. But..I thought political parties only have conventions to nominate some one for the Office of the President..
Am I missing something here?
Has there ever been a time in the History of the United States a Non-Party did not nominate a non-candidate a year after the election?

Yes, and when my son was four he could mix milk and pickle juice to make himself invisible - well, except the dog could still see him.

51 Linden Arden  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:36:18pm

re: #26 HoosierHoops

Watching a Teabagger nomination might be as much fun as watching the Libertarian nomination wars.

Libertarians have notorious spats. You’d think a party with a single prevailing idea and 1% of the vote would find it easy to select a candidate.

52 fizzlogic  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:36:20pm
Breitbart tensed up after that insult.

I find it hard to believe Breitbart tensed up even more than he usually is.

53 webevintage  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:36:26pm

re: #29 austin_blue

And yet, somehow, the Germans…

amazing how that seems to work for them…

54 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:36:39pm
55 Racer X  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:37:06pm

re: #48 HoosierHoops

The Marines are bad-ass

And most of them are the nicest people you would ever meet.

56 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:37:16pm

re: #47 WindUpBird

Fire departments.

Socialism!

Police! Public water supplies! Sewerage treatment facilities!

Socialism three times!

57 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:37:19pm

Farah has openly advocated for theocracy before.

58 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:37:37pm

re: #53 webevintage

amazing how that seems to work for them…

OBAMACARE SOCIALISM UPSIDE DOWN CROSS BUTTHOLES ARGH

Sorry, little teabagger tourettes there. I’m better now.

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:37:40pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

It’s scary the way they talk. I was no fan of Bush but I wanted him out the democratic way i.e. voting him out in 2004 and people to Congress who would oppose him and his agenda. But the way the teapartiers rhetoric comes across it seems like they actively view Obama as an enemy of America itself and talk about revolution. One of the most important lessons I learned in American history was just how important the election of 1800 was. It was a peaceful transfer of power between Adams and Jefferson and if you think about that, it was truly an unique thing in history to that point. I’m taking modern Latin American history now and the years following their successful revolutions involved many civil wars between factions.

Yeah. Our ability to do that was groundbreaking, and is one of our most precious assets. These people, for all their talk about the Constitution, seem to be willing to at least think about breaking America because the dude they didn’t like got in.

I have only contempt for that, and no amount of hand-wringing about how alienated and powerless these middle-class Americans feel is going to convince me that they are not just the world’s most irresponsible and reckless whiners for martyr cookies.

60 iceweasel  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:37:46pm

re: #49 Stanley Sea

Dang. It’s the crazy religion hiding behind birtherism.

Yes. And once again ending with a call to “Take America Back.”

WTF does that mean? We know what it means— take it back from the guy who won a landslide election. Forget not understanding socialism— these people don’t understand democracy.

And they most certain don’t understand that America is a secular nation.

61 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:38:10pm

re: #51 Linden Arden

Watching a Teabagger nomination might be as much fun as watching the Libertarian nomination wars.

Libertarians have notorious spats. You’d think a party with a single prevailing idea and 1% of the vote would find it easy to select a candidate.

I bet the problem is that every Libertarian feels they’re an equally reasonable choice to be the candidate….

62 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:38:16pm

re: #56 austin_blue

Police! Public water supplies! Sewerage treatment facilities!

Socialism three times!

Everybody panic! Hide under your floorboards! Your daughters are not safe!

63 Irenicum  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:38:54pm

When teabaggers eat their own, not next on Faux!

64 allegro  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:39:21pm

re: #60 iceweasel

And they most certain don’t understand that America is a secular nation.

I suspect many of them do. That’s what pisses them off.

65 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:40:12pm

re: #64 allegro

I suspect many of them do. That’s what pisses them off.

That and that there is no “conservative Canada” for them to threaten to move to…

66 HappyWarrior  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:40:18pm

re: #47 WindUpBird

Fire departments.

Socialism!

Oh noes!
Burn down the fire department and throw the Marxist firefighters out. We need true capitalist firefighters.

67 webevintage  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:40:24pm

They need to out a ton of space between themselves and Farah, but they also need to let people know that they do not agree with Trancrados BS from the other night.

And I would, really, really, really love them to explain how they can be for small gov’t while embracing social conservative rhetoric.

68 ryannon  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:41:02pm

re: #45 jamesfirecat

Like I said being confused is probably the real problem.

Of course if the Republicans keep calling the idea of “socalized medicare” “socialism” then it would make sense why people would think “yeah I like our current system, but I’m really hankering for some of that public option socialism” .

I think we need to do a study and see how many people on either side who use the word “socialist” know what it means…

Start with a hard question, like locating North America on a map of the world.

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:41:11pm

re: #50 rwmofo

Yes, and when my son was four he could mix milk and pickle juice to make himself invisible - well, except the dog could still see him.

Dogs are strangely impervious to four-year-old magic.

70 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:41:28pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Oh noes!
Burn down the fire department and throw the Marxist firefighters out. We need true capitalist firefighters.

Yes, only those who care more about making a dollar than seeing their neighbors homes go up in smoke are the me of true enough virtue to protect us deadly infernos!

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:42:47pm

re: #62 WindUpBird

Everybody panic! Hide under your floorboards! Your daughters are not safe!

Well, if there’s police and public water facilities and sewage treatement, they’re safER.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:43:45pm

re: #65 jamesfirecat

That and that there is no “conservative Canada” for them to threaten to move to…

Back when it looked like Obama was fixing to win the election, some people then posting here were talking about places in South America, and also, for some reason, New Zealand.

73 rwmofo  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:44:37pm

Well, I better go to the gym since I still haven’t figured out a way for them to bring it to me.

Later y’all.

74 fizzlogic  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:45:51pm
“That’s ridiculous. You don’t even understand the fundamental tenets of what journalism is about, Andrew. It’s not about proving things. It’s about asking questions and seeking truth.”

So Eric Cartman really is a journalist.

75 iceweasel  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:46:13pm

re: #67 webevintage

They need to out a ton of space between themselves and Farah, but they also need to let people know that they do not agree with Trancrados BS from the other night.

And I would, really, really, really love them to explain how they can be for small gov’t while embracing social conservative rhetoric.

But there is no space. It’s time for the msm and the right, and the GOP, to stop pretending that teabaggers are about ‘fiscal conservatism’. There are people who care about that, but they aren’t making up the bulk or the leadership of the teabaggers.

The ‘movement’ is infested with crazy— general anti-gubbmint types, racist anti-Obama types, militia fuckwits, nirthers, homophobes, theocrats.

76 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:46:27pm

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

Back when it looked like Obama was fixing to win the election, some people then posting here were talking about places in South America, and also, for some reason, New Zealand.

You know call me crazy, but I bet the standard of living is better in Canada than South America, and I bet its a lot easier to Canada from the US than to South America… also I know for a fact they speak the same language we do in Canada, for the most part at least….

77 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:47:12pm

Can you get a live feed of the Grifter’s speech tonight on the web? I’m teeveeless, but my Sarah blow-up doll and I can’t wait to watch…

78 webevintage  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:47:22pm

re: #60 iceweasel

Forget not understanding socialism— these people don’t understand democracy.

Well Democracy is an awesome concept as long as you are on the winning team.
I really think that some folks thought that there would be a Republican/Conservative majority forever and they are pissed to find out that that is just not gonna happen.

79 webevintage  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:47:48pm

re: #77 Cato the Elder

Can you get a live feed of the Grifter’s speech tonight on the web? I’m teeveeless, but my Sarah blow-up doll and I can’t wait to watch…

Yes on Cspan 9pm ET.

80 iceweasel  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:47:53pm

re: #75 iceweasel

But there is no space. It’s time for the msm and the right, and the GOP, to stop pretending that teabaggers are about ‘fiscal conservatism’. There are people who care about that, but they aren’t making up the bulk or the leadership of the teabaggers.

The ‘movement’ is infested with crazy— general anti-gubbmint types, racist anti-Obama types, militia fuckwits, nirthers, homophobes, theocrats.

The only binding thread in the teaparty movement is howling inchoate rage.

81 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:48:13pm

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

Back when it looked like Obama was fixing to win the election, some people then posting here were talking about places in South America, and also, for some reason, New Zealand.

Same thing happened when Bush was elected in 2004. It will happen again when the next president is sworn in. I ignore that stuff now. If they want to move to another country then go. I love this country. It is the best country the world has ever known and will continue to be. I challenge anyone to find a better one.

82 Mich-again  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:48:36pm

re: #57 Charles

If you think your society is depraved now, you have seen nothing yet.

ooga booga

83 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:48:48pm

re: #76 jamesfirecat

You know call me crazy, but I bet the standard of living is better in Canada than South America, and I bet its a lot easier to Canada from the US than to South America… also I know for a fact they speak the same language we do in Canada, for the most part at least…

I think that these were mostly people who imagined living in a little expat community, not having to pay taxes, and being able to afford a maid. I could have them all wrong, but for some reason I don’t think they visualized having to assimilate much.

84 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:49:20pm

re: #79 webevintage

Yes on Cspan 9pm ET.

ET. LOL. Call home.

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:50:21pm

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

Same thing happened when Bush was elected in 2004. It will happen again when the next president is sworn in. I ignore that stuff now. If they want to move to another country then go. I love this country. It is the best country the world has ever known and will continue to be. I challenge anyone to find a better one.

Quite agree. That was just in response to James’ comment about there being no conservative equivalent of Canada. IIRC, South America and NZ were the top destinations mentioned by lizards who couldn’t handle the impending Obama administration.

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:51:04pm

re: #82 Mich-again

ooga booga

We’re depraved on account of we’re deprived!

87 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:51:53pm

OT Happy 99th birthday Ronald Reagan.

This summer [of 1996], walking in Armand Hammer Park near his home, Reagan was approached by an elderly tourist and his 12-year-old grandson, Ukrainian emigres now living near Toledo, Ohio. They spoke with him for a moment, and the grandfather snapped a picture of the boy sitting with the former president. An article about the encounter, and the picture, appeared first in The Toledo Blade and then in newspapers around the country.

The other day, the grandfather, Yakob Ravin, recalled their meeting.

“We went to the park, for a picnic, with our friends,” he said. “And then we saw President Reagan. And we began to cheer him, and said, ‘Mr. President, thank you for everything you did for the Jewish people, for Soviet people, to destroy the communist empire.’

“And he said, ‘Yes, that is my job.’ “

88 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:52:13pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

Quite agree. That was just in response to James’ comment about there being no conservative equivalent of Canada. IIRC, South America and NZ were the top destinations mentioned by lizards who couldn’t handle the impending Obama administration.

SA & NZ? Interesting. The libs whined about going to France & the UK. I bet neither group moved.

89 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:53:20pm

re: #79 webevintage

Yes on Cspan 9pm ET.

They’re charging $350 and it’s available free?!?

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:53:46pm

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

SA & NZ? Interesting. The libs whined about going to France & the UK. I bet neither group moved.

No one ever does, except for a couple of celebrities who keep their citizenship, and just buy a house.

Actually, one guy I knew did move to Canada during the Bush administration, and he had threatened to earlier, but when he did it was for love, not politics.

91 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:54:16pm

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

SA & NZ? Interesting. The libs whined about going to France & the UK. I bet neither group moved.

Well, Alec baldwin was going to, but the he got that 30 Rock gig…….

92 allegro  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:54:41pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

They’re charging $350 and it’s available free?!?

Super Bowl tickets costs a lot more than that. What are you doing tomorrow?

93 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:54:50pm

re: #80 iceweasel

The only binding thread in the teaparty movement is howling inchoate rage.

And maybe those little strings on the tea bags.

Although I’ve been drinking Tetley lately, and they don’t have strings….

94 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:55:54pm

(AP)God Cancels Speech at Teabagcon..
Sources confirm today that the God Almighty has canceled his Keynote speech today at Teabagcon.
Speaking off the record, our sources claim God was heard to announce ‘Forget those bigots and skin heads’
Jesus caught by our reporter at Per Se at his usual lunchtime table had no Comment..
Tensions have been building up for months over the so-called Religious right and God causing well publicized falling outs in the major Media markets.
Just 6 months from the huge scandal of the Fox/Jesus split-up, pundits have been spinning furiously.. Each Network trying to claim the high ground..
—Update soon—

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:56:24pm

re: #93 wrenchwench

And maybe those little strings on the tea bags.

Although I’ve been drinking Tetley lately, and they don’t have strings…

I think they have to use the kind with the strings, because that way they can be dangled from your hat.

96 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:56:25pm

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

SA & NZ? Interesting. The libs whined about going to France & the UK. I bet neither group moved.

True enough, I’m just arguing that Canada really is sort of a 5-15 degree more liberal version of America in many ways, you can drive there, the people speak the same language, the use “dollars” as a monetary system even if they’re Canadian dollars, gays getting married isn’t a problem, they’ve got medical marijuana, and socialized healthcare….

Is there really a nation out there that looks like a 5-15 degree more conservative version of America?

97 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:57:12pm

re: #92 allegro

Super Bowl tickets costs a lot more than that. What are you doing tomorrow?

I’m thinking about a mountain bike ride, actually.

98 Racer X  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:58:17pm
99 allegro  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:58:35pm

re: #96 jamesfirecat

Is there really a nation out there that looks like a 5-15 degree more conservative version of America?

Iran? China?…

100 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:59:07pm

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

I think they have to use the kind with the strings, because that way they can be dangled from your hat.

They’re using silver to hang them from their ears.

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:00:21pm

re: #100 wrenchwench

They’re using silver to hang them from their ears.

Well, those are kind of cute.

102 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:03:24pm

re: #97 wrenchwench

I’m thinking about a mountain bike ride, actually.

I’m getting a gift from my company.. It’s a 21 speed 19” Unicycle Mountain bike in a box..
Jeez..just what I need ..Another project!
I’ll be asking advice from you…*wink*

103 Lidane  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:04:09pm

re: #44 Mich-again

Hallelujah and pass the ammunition.

And we’ll all stay free…

104 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:04:24pm

re: #96 jamesfirecat


Is there really a nation out there that looks like a 5-15 degree more conservative version of America?

Nope, I’d say this is the last center-right player left on the world stage, and, drifting leftward though we may be at present, we’ll always remain at least a bit more starboard than our friends on the international stage.

Now, there’s a host of reasons for that, of course. I think the largest is we still retain a sense of national destiny left over from our participation in WWII and the Cold War. We still see ourselves as the leader of the free world (don’t we even refer to the POTUS thus?).

105 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:04:34pm

Can’t wait for the Sarah Show tonight!

106 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:04:36pm

re: #102 HoosierHoops

Unicycle? You’re going to need more help than I can give….

107 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:05:30pm

re: #102 HoosierHoops

I’m getting a gift from my company.. It’s a 21 speed 19” Unicycle Mountain bike in a box..
Jeez..just what I need ..Another project!
I’ll be asking advice from you…*wink*

I wish my company would get me one of these. I’m gonna need it Monday.

108 allegro  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:06:29pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

Unicycle? You’re going to need more help than I can give…

LOL, I’m trying to picture a guy riding a 21 speed unicycle through the mountains. Going uphill must be a bitch.

109 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:06:41pm

re: #104 Guanxi88

Nope, I’d say this is the last center-right player left on the world stage, and, drifting leftward though we may be at present, we’ll always remain at least a bit more starboard than our friends on the international stage.

Now, there’s a host of reasons for that, of course. I think the largest is we still retain a sense of national destiny left over from our participation in WWII and the Cold War. We still see ourselves as the leader of the free world (don’t we even refer to the POTUS thus?).

You say “drifting leftward” like it’s a bad thing… at least I interpret it in the context you use as a bad thing.

Give what is out there in the to the “right” of America, I don’t.

110 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:07:28pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

Unicycle? You’re going to need more help than I can give…

No my be it’s unisex.. Something generic in a box.. I’ll send you the link monday

111 Racer X  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:07:57pm

re: #108 allegro

LOL, I’m trying to picture a guy riding a 21 speed unicycle through the mountains. Going uphill must be a bitch.

The bumps in the road can be killer.

112 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:09:50pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

Quite agree. That was just in response to James’ comment about there being no conservative equivalent of Canada. IIRC, South America and NZ were the top destinations mentioned by lizards who couldn’t handle the impending Obama administration.

Yeah, folk say wild stuff. Bottom line though, is that for Americans, irrespective of politics, there’s no place else to go. Our politics tend to make us all cluster around a slightly right of center (comparatively, you understand) core; as a conservative zionist, for example, the Likud, to cite Israel, matches with me in terms of counter-terror and such, but they’re still a socialist party. I doubt most people appreciate the fact that most respectable foreign “conservative” parties are largely socialist, and their domestic platforms would resemble the DNC’s, by and large.

113 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:10:50pm

re: #109 jamesfirecat

You say “drifting leftward” like it’s a bad thing… at least I interpret it in the context you use as a bad thing.

Give what is out there in the to the “right” of America, I don’t.

Eh, it’s neither good nor bad, objectively - it’s just a drift. (although as a conservative, I view any move away from my position with alarm; it’s only natural, really - the small differences look quite large when you stand close to them)

114 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:11:40pm

What is she building in there?
Palin, Visible and Vocal, Is Positioned for Variety of Roles

Without leaving home, Sarah Palin will be able to reach much of her political base, courtesy of a soon-to-be-built television studio in her living room paid for by her newest media patron, Fox News. From her house in Wasilla, Alaska, Ms. Palin also sends missives to 1.3 million Facebook “fans,” writes newspaper columns, Tweets and signs copies of her book for donors.

There’s also some interesting information about her staff and handlers….

She reads daily e-mail briefings on domestic and foreign policy from a small group of advisers who remained loyal after her tumultuous vice presidential campaign in 2008. And though she has fashioned an image as an antiestablishment conservative, she also speaks regularly to a bipartisan nobility of Washington insiders who have helped enrich her financially and position her on the national political stage
115 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:11:56pm

re: #113 Guanxi88

Eh, it’s neither good nor bad, objectively - it’s just a drift. (although as a conservative, I view any move away from my position with alarm; it’s only natural, really - the small differences look quite large when you stand close to them)

Fair enough, I see it as our nation drifting in my direction so of course I’m hooting an hollering with joy more or less.

116 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:12:07pm

So, yeah, I joked about pulling up stakes and moving to Paraguay if things got bad enough. I don’t know, however, if things ever got that bad that I’d be able to leave though.

117 efuseakay  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:12:41pm

And Tancredo gave a “fantastic” speech!

cnn.com

Oye.

118 Racer X  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:14:40pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

There’s also some interesting information about her staff and handlers…

She reads daily e-mail briefings on domestic and foreign policy from a small group of advisers who remained loyal after her tumultuous vice presidential campaign in 2008. And though she has fashioned an image as an antiestablishment conservative, she also speaks regularly to a bipartisan nobility of Washington insiders who have helped enrich her financially and position her on the national political stage

Presidential correspondence course?

119 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:14:49pm

re: #115 jamesfirecat

Fair enough, I see it as our nation drifting in my direction so of course I’m hooting an hollering with joy more or less.

See, when I’m clear minded - it happens, sometimes - I can take these things for what they are - mostly, disagreements on policy and implementation. No one is really deciding or setting the national destiny in the political world, anyway. In fact, I sometimes - when the lucidity is particularly harsh - view political events and parties as epiphenomena of the national culture and character, which is what it is and is always changing. Eh, who can say?

If I had to vote for Chirac’s party or, say, the Dem’s, I’d vote the dems - they’re closer to my way of thinking.

120 Lidane  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:14:50pm
“You don’t even understand the fundamental tenets of what journalism is about, Andrew. It’s not about proving things. It’s about asking questions and seeking truth.”

And suddenly, I’m reminded of Cartman “asking questions” about Wendy.

Farrah’s a total nutjob.

121 kernelPanic  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:14:58pm

You know, I kinda miss the people who would normally have been posting

…if he just showed his real birth certificate all this nonsense would be over with.”

Too bad they have all flounced off. The sleepers just ain’t up to the task.

122 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:15:19pm

re: #117 efuseakay

And Tancredo gave a “fantastic” speech!

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

Oye.

I’d say it was a terrific speech personally.

ter*rif*ic
adjective
2 archaic inspiring terror
ORIGIN from Latin terrificus, from terrere ‘frighten.’
New Oxford American Dictionary

123 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:15:44pm

re: #24 jamesfirecat

What do you do when an idiot tries to argue with you, just try and leave the conversation?

tell them “you got me,” and move on with my life

124 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:17:26pm

re: #123 _RememberTonyC

tell them “you got me,” and move on with my life

Ready for the SuperBowl? Where ya going?

125 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:18:44pm

re: #123 _RememberTonyC

tell them “you got me,” and move on with my life

xkcd.com

126 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:18:48pm

re: #121 kernelPanic

You know, I kinda miss the people who would normally have been posting

Too bad they have all flounced off. The sleepers just ain’t up to the task.

You’re not the only one who has ever felt that way in a similar situation.

tvtropes.org


Or as Terry Pratchett once put it in Small Gods (I paraphrase) “The Deities of Discworld liked having philosophers around, they were good for target practice if nothing else.”

127 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:19:39pm

Are there any XML gurus present?

128 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:19:41pm

re: #34 iceweasel

Farah’s nirtherism is NOT the only reason to be disturbed by that speech. I’m not even convinced it’s the primary reason to be disturbed by him any more, either.

No, it’s not. This is full-on Christian theocratism. And he Jews, as usual, are just being used as window-dressing.

129 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:20:19pm

re: #123 _RememberTonyC

tell them “you got me,” and move on with my life

Sometimes it’s fun to baffle them:

Open up a matchbox and say, ” I agree with you completely.” Show them the contents of the box.
“you see? there are five matches in here?” Give them a meaningful look in the ye before smiling and saying, “And what if I told you - but you must have known it already - that at five pm on May 5th, I saw five birds all roost at the same time?”

130 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:20:20pm

re: #121 kernelPanic

You know, I kinda miss the people who would normally have been posting

Too bad they have all flounced off. The sleepers just ain’t up to the task.

I was listening to Rusty Humphries (conservative birther radio talk show host) one night during the presidential election. He was doing a remote in Hawaii and had the governor on for an interview. He asked about the birth certificate and she told him she saw it and verified it was real. That was good enough for me.

131 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:20:30pm

re: #128 Cato the Elder

ΠΙΜΦ: “the Jews”

132 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:20:53pm

re: #124 HoosierHoops

Ready for the SuperBowl? Where ya going?

lighting a fire downstairs and watching with my wife … my sons are not home. I don’t want you to be mad at me, but I think your opponent is going to win. I think it’s preordained that the Saints are going to win it. But if your Colts come through, I will be happy for them. I really like both teams.

how bout you?

133 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:22:13pm

What is a “Superbowl”? Can I get a hit?

134 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:22:49pm

re: #132 _RememberTonyC

lighting a fire downstairs….

If you’re gonna commit arson and insurance fraud, don’t broadcast the fact on the webs.

135 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:22:58pm

Poor Dave Weigel

…Taitz has a sort of media blackout policy on me–she has refused to talk since I posted a photo essay of the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot that featured, among other things, photos of her and of Third Reich memorabilia. Worse things can happen to journalists than being dissed by Orly Taitz–it saves a lot of time, and a lot of indulging a person who relentlessly brings up defunct or debunked legal arguments….
136 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:23:17pm

re: #133 Cato the Elder

What is a “Superbowl”? Can I get a hit?

Something the wood shop class made at my high school.

137 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:24:25pm

re: #134 Guanxi88

If you’re gonna commit arson and insurance fraud, don’t broadcast the fact on the webs.

of course, i will make sure none of my jewelry receipts are burned up in the fire …

138 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:24:40pm

re: #137 _RememberTonyC

of course, i will make sure none of my jewelry receipts are burned up in the fire …

always prudent.

139 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:25:28pm

re: #132 _RememberTonyC

lighting a fire downstairs and watching with my wife … my sons are not home. I don’t want you to be mad at me, but I think your opponent is going to win. I think it’s preordained that the Saints are going to win it. But if your Colts come through, I will be happy for them. I really like both teams.

how bout you?

Going to a huge party…It will be crazy and fun…
The Saints are America’s team right now..I love them too..So this is weird..
But we are in for one hell of a great Football game Sunday..
Good Luck Bro…

140 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:26:08pm

re: #133 Cato the Elder

What is a “Superbowl”? Can I get a hit?

Mandy always has a clue by four handy!!

141 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:26:17pm

re: #129 Guanxi88

Sometimes it’s fun to baffle them:

Open up a matchbox and say, ” I agree with you completely.” Show them the contents of the box.
“you see? there are five matches in here?” Give them a meaningful look in the ye before smiling and saying, “And what if I told you - but you must have known it already - that at five pm on May 5th, I saw five birds all roost at the same time?”


didn’t i meet you at a party one time?

142 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:27:42pm

re: #140 sattv4u2

Mandy always has a clue by four handy!!

Thanks, Mandy […staggers into wall, knocks over three stacks of books, slumps down holding forehead…] - I needed that!

143 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:27:51pm

re: #118 Racer X

Presidential correspondence course?

It could be.

144 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:28:33pm

re: #137 _RememberTonyC

of course, i will make sure none of my jewelry receipts are burned up in the fire …

Speaking of that sort of thing, I recall when my grandfather of blessed memory disposed of an unprofitable house and cleared out some squatters (tenants several months in arrears).

He had the property’s gas, water, and electricity shut off. Gave notice that the property was to be demolished, and coordinated with the fire department so they could get some use out of it.

The no-goodniks who’d been squatting there, out to do whatever sorta stuff no-goodnik squatters do when they’re not squatting on your property, returned to see the VFD hosing down the smouldering remnants of the place they’d called home.

Word had gotten around that the Old Man had lost his nerve, and lacked the belly for collecting the rents. Let that become believed, and he would lose everything. No one doubted him after that.

145 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:29:30pm

re: #141 _RememberTonyC

didn’t i meet you at a party one time?

No, you met Umberto Eco. I wasn’t there - I remember the conversation distinctly.

146 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:29:50pm

re: #144 Guanxi88

Dayamn!

147 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:30:01pm

re: #139 HoosierHoops

Going to a huge party…It will be crazy and fun…
The Saints are America’s team right now..I love them too..So this is weird..
But we are in for one hell of a great Football game Sunday..
Good Luck Bro…

same to you … have a great time! Donald Brown (UConn) is a much admired playa’ in my house. I think it will be a classic game that is decided in the final seconds … and Bourbon Street will just explode if the Saints win.

148 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:30:20pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

It could be.

she also speaks regularly to a bipartisan nobility of Washington insiders

!!!!

149 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:30:32pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

What is she building in there?
Palin, Visible and Vocal, Is Positioned for Variety of Roles

She reads daily e-mail briefings on domestic and foreign policy from a small group of advisers who remained loyal after her tumultuous vice presidential campaign in 2008.

I remember a while ago, one of those “daily e-mail briefings” (chain emails) that she spouted off about - The Big Democratic Coin Conspiracy.

politicsdaily.com

150 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:31:08pm

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

SA & NZ? Interesting. The libs whined about going to France & the UK. I bet neither group moved.

I threatened to move to Cleveland.

Empty, I know…

151 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:32:10pm

re: #144 Guanxi88

Speaking of that sort of thing, I recall when my grandfather of blessed memory disposed of an unprofitable house and cleared out some squatters (tenants several months in arrears).

He had the property’s gas, water, and electricity shut off. Gave notice that the property was to be demolished, and coordinated with the fire department so they could get some use out of it.

The no-goodniks who’d been squatting there, out to do whatever sorta stuff no-goodnik squatters do when they’re not squatting on your property, returned to see the VFD hosing down the smouldering remnants of the place they’d called home.

Word had gotten around that the Old Man had lost his nerve, and lacked the belly for collecting the rents. Let that become believed, and he would lose everything. No one doubted him after that.

Lightning Strikes!

152 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:32:27pm

re: #146 Cato the Elder

Dayamn!

Yeah, he was kinda vengeful like that. Though I never knew it, he had one of the most amazingly cold-blooded tempers; he’d go coldly and rationally to do what needed to be done. Unfortunately, he often tended to over-react, but he was so methodical about it that it just enhanced his reputation as one not to cross.

He landlorded some very cheap properties in some very bad places. Collected the rent in person; most tenants, if they couldn’t make the rent, he let slide, because, as he pointed out, you don’t need to be too much of a hardass with decent but poor folk (he grew up sharing a pair of shoes with his brother). But he made sure no one ever mistook his kindness for weakness, as those folk did.

153 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:35:49pm

re: #146 Cato the Elder

Dayamn!

Another thing about him - he didn’t distinguish between business and family. To his mind, the guy trying to screw him on a deal was as good as taking food outta the mouths of his seven kids. He’d play fair - he figured everybody’s gotta make money, after all - but if he thought he was getting screwed on a deal, it go personal.

154 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:36:18pm

re: #145 Guanxi88

No, you met Umberto Eco. I wasn’t there - I remember the conversation distinctly.

are you sure? some guy was talking about basketball and wanted to play “five on five.” Come to think of it, that wasn’t you …. I think it was Shaquille O’Neal …

155 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:37:20pm

re: #147 _RememberTonyC

same to you … have a great time! Donald Brown (UConn) is a much admired playa’ in my house. I think it will be a classic game that is decided in the final seconds … and Bourbon Street will just explode if the Saints win.

All the money in Vegas is on the Colts…I got bad news for you.. Every body the Colts have felt like beating this year ..They have…
Brees is great.. But he is no Manning.. And for the first time I’ve been in Indiana and watched the Colts play..They have a real pissed off attitude through the play-offs and are on a mission..
Another reason the money is on the Colts.. Everybody knows any of the top 6 AFC teams could beat the Saints… In Fact..I’d bet on the Pat’s beating the Saints..(With Wes)
*wink*

156 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:37:26pm

re: #151 _RememberTonyC

Lightning Strikes!

Nope, stack of tires, and two five gallon cans of unleaded.

157 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:38:57pm

re: #127 SixDegrees

Are there any XML gurus present?

Not really a guru, but I know a bit. What’s the question?

158 allegro  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:39:08pm

This is charming.

Operation Rescue’s Abortion Whistleblowers Campaign, which is offering a $10,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of abortionists who are breaking the law, is in full swing and taking to the radio waves, the Internet, and direct mail to advertize the project.

It was this kind of crap that got Dr. Tiller harassed, tried and acquitted of all charges before being murdered. What is wrong with these people?

159 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:41:33pm

re: #155 HoosierHoops

All the money in Vegas is on the Colts…I got bad news for you.. Every body the Colts have felt like beating this year ..They have…
Brees is great.. But he is no Manning.. And for the first time I’ve been in Indiana and watched the Colts play..They have a real pissed off attitude through the play-offs and are on a mission..
Another reason the money is on the Colts.. Everybody knows any of the top 6 AFC teams could beat the Saints… In Fact..I’d bet on the Pat’s beating the Saints..(With Wes)
*wink*

Actually, the Saints gave the Pats (with Wes) their worst beating of the year. N.O. dodged a bullet with that Favre interception late in the game …. it made me believe there was some cosmic intervention on behalf of the Saints. Also, Dwight Freeney (from Bloomfield, CT) is hobbled and the Saints have some pretty good DBs. It will be a great matchup and when it’s over, we will all have gotten our money’s worth. Be safe and have a great time …. there is nothing like having YOUR team in the Super Bowl!

160 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:43:25pm

re: #156 Guanxi88

Nope, stack of tires, and two five gallon cans of unleaded.

like you said … coldblooded and effective

161 AlexRogan  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:44:57pm

re: #133 Cato the Elder

What is a “Superbowl”? Can I get a hit?

It comes with an extra-large bag of Nacho Cheese Doritos and a brownie tray…

162 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:46:24pm

re: #161 talon_262

It comes with an extra-large bag of Nacho Cheese Doritos and a brownie tray…

sounds like you need a joint replacement …

163 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:46:36pm

re: #159 _RememberTonyC


To bad both teams can’t win…If the Saints do win..IF.. Then I’ll still be happy for America’s City…I’m just so happy for them…
This is a win-win game

164 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:46:44pm

re: #160 _RememberTonyC

like you said … coldblooded and effective

hard to imagine that this was the same man who used to let me stuff myself with pizza and soda, stay up all night watching movies with him, and who made sure his kids and grandkids’ (especially the grandkids) always had folding money in their pockets. A more indulgent grandfather you couldn’t imagine.

165 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:47:00pm

re: #162 _RememberTonyC

sounds like you Kneed a joint replacement …

ftfy

166 webevintage  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:49:00pm

Color me surprised.
I just went over to read what Sullivan is going on about today (you never know) and read that O’Rilley’s interview with Jon Stewart had been edited.
I watched it and had wondered why he seemed so, well, boring.
That’s because the good stuff was edited out.
The whole thing is on FOX’s website.

“I know what this is. I come from Jersey—it’s the same thing: “I’m not saying your mother’s a whore. I’m just saying she has sex for money. With people.” [F]ox News used to be all about, you don’t criticize a president during wartime. It’s unacceptable, it’s treasonous, it gives aid and comfort to the enemy. All of a sudden, for some reason you can run out there and say, “Barack Obama is destroying the fabric of this country.”

gawker.com

I feel better about Jon, thought he was losing his edge.

167 iceweasel  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:50:46pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

Poor Dave Weigel

Heh. I liked the ending of that piece:

As I spoke to John Avlon of The Daily Beast, Taitz ran over and asked Avlon when his book “Wingnuts” will be coming out and whether she could get a copy. (She’s profiled in the book.)

Here’s that photo essay by Weigel including Taitz with the Nazi memorabilia:
Scenes from the Real America

168 SixDegrees  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:51:35pm

re: #157 Charles

Not really a guru, but I know a bit. What’s the question?

We’ve been parsing a particular type of XML document for some time, without trouble, using Xerces-C++. We got a failure the other day, because every tag in the document suddenly has a namspace attached to it, which we’ve never seen before. The namespace is the same on every tag, and appears to be machine generated. There is a single tag at the top of the document (I don’t recall the name of it) containing a huge list of namespace definitions of the form ‘xmlns:foo=”urn:gdyn:ims:bar”’; ‘foo’ is the namespace found in the document tags, although there are many other namespaces listed.

I’m assuming that somewhere, there is a document that states one of two things: the namespace we’re supposed to be interested in, or the urn we’re supposed to be interested in. Is this correct? It seems impossible to me to attach such metainformation to the document itself, so we need some external source for the mapping between namespaces/urns and things we actually care about.

Also, since we’ve never seen namespaces before this, how do we set up our code to parse both types of document, ones with namespaces defined and ones without? It seems as though the only solution is to look for the namespace setting, and vary the function call based on it’s presence or absence, using either getElementsByTagName() or getElementsByTagNameNS() as appropriate. Is this also correct, or is there a way to tell the latter to use the “default” (non-explicit) namespace, maybe by using an empty string?

169 Lidane  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:52:08pm

re: #158 allegro

What is wrong with these people?

They’re insane Dominionists. That’s what.

170 iceweasel  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:52:43pm

re: #167 iceweasel

Here’s that photo essay by Weigel including Taitz and the Nazi memorabilia:
Scenes from the Real America

The Knob Creek gun show photo essay.

171 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:53:31pm

re: #163 HoosierHoops

To bad both teams can’t win…If the Saints do win..IF.. Then I’ll still be happy for America’s City…I’m just so happy for them…
This is a win-win game

you sir are a good sport.

172 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:56:34pm

re: #170 iceweasel

The Knob Creek gun show photo essay.

Knob Creek is just down the highway from Big Bone Lick.

I do love Kentucky, I was born there!

173 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:58:05pm

re: #172 Jeff In Ohio

Knob Creek is just down the highway from Big Bone Lick.

I do love Kentucky, I was born there!

Wasn’t “Big Bone Lick” a Linda Lovelace flick?

174 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:59:48pm

re: #165 sattv4u2

ftfy

is there any sports on tv today?

175 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:59:54pm

re: #173 _RememberTonyC

Wasn’t “Big Bone Lick” a Linda Lovelace flick?

I love poetry!

176 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:00:02pm

re: #172 Jeff In Ohio

Knob Creek is just down the highway from Big Bone Lick.

I do love Kentucky, I was born there!

one of my favorite geographical names in my home state:

en.wikipedia.org

and a little something for my friend cato:

en.wikipedia.org

177 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:00:39pm

re: #175 Jeff In Ohio

I love poetry!

there once was a man fron nantucket …

178 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:00:50pm

re: #174 _RememberTonyC

is there any sports on tv today?


Danica is racing

179 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:02:27pm

re: #178 HoosierHoops

Danica is racing

I met her one time … maybe 5-6 years ago, before she was so well known. She is TINY, but incredibly hot.

180 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:02:30pm

re: #174 _RememberTonyC

There is some mud wrestling in La Canada / Flintridge area…

181 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:02:55pm

Teaparty convention showdown: Dissenters schedule gorilla newsconference:politico.com

182 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:02:57pm

re: #177 _RememberTonyC

there once was a man fron nantucket …

There once was fellow from Kew,
Whose rhyme ended at line two.

There once was man from Dunne.

183 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:03:37pm

re: #181 prairiefire

Teaparty convention showdown: Dissenters schedule gorilla newsconference:[Link: www.politico.com…]

Going ape, are they?

184 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:04:28pm

re: #180 Rightwingconspirator

There is some mud wrestling in La Canada / Flintridge area…

I think the Lingerie Bowl looks like more fun …

185 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:04:32pm

re: #179 _RememberTonyC

I met her one time … maybe 5-6 years ago, before she was so well known. She is TINY, but incredibly hot.

I met her out at the track..Beautiful girl…I’ll miss the Indy500

186 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:05:29pm

re: #182 Guanxi88

There once was fellow from Kew,
Whose rhyme ended at line two.

There once was man from Dunne.

i can think of several rhymes for that one …. all of them incredibly tasteless …

187 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:06:07pm

re: #185 HoosierHoops

I met her out at the track..Beautiful girl…I’ll miss the Indy500

will you be in Asia on Memorial Day?

188 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:06:32pm

re: #186 _RememberTonyC

i can think of several rhymes for that one … all of them incredibly tasteless …

The poor fellow from Dunne.
His limerick ended at line one.

189 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:07:10pm

re: #176 Guanxi88

I posted this the other night after a short and inappropriate riff on jello wrestling masquerading as deep metaphor, but my fav Kentucky name is
Black Gnat.

What has to go on in a town for you to name it Black Gnat?

190 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:07:52pm

re: #181 prairiefire

Teaparty convention showdown: Dissenters schedule gorilla newsconference:[Link: www.politico.com…]

From your link:

They announced the presser in a Friday night e-mail to local and national reporters covering the convention, though Shreve admits he did not seek permission from the hotel to use the facility. “If they run us out, we will have it in the parking lot,” he said.

Hello? The parking lot is also private property…

191 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:08:09pm

re: #187 _RememberTonyC

will you be in Asia on Memorial Day?

No.. I don’t move till fall.. I get one last race….It is so much fun at the track

192 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:09:28pm

Orly Taitz in Nashville

The woman dubbed by the Orange County Register as “queen of the birthers” arrived at the National Tea Party Convention today and did what she always does–hustled around talking to reporters and trying to get media coverage. Pictured below–Taitz talking to Lydia DePillis of The New Republic.

Taitz has a sort of media blackout policy on me–she has refused to talk since I posted a photo essay of the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot that featured, among other things, photos of her and of Third Reich memorabilia.

193 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:11:19pm

re: #174 _RememberTonyC

is there any sports on tv today?

One less event than you may have thought


just had to turn down a service from Bristol. I’m out of HD encoders

194 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:12:55pm

re: #193 sattv4u2

One less event than you may have thought


just had to turn down a service from Bristol. I’m out of HD encoders

you said “no” to the worldwide leader? heresy!

195 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:13:13pm

re: #189 Jeff In Ohio

I posted this the other night after a short and inappropriate riff on jello wrestling masquerading as deep metaphor, but my fav Kentucky name is
Black Gnat.

What has to go on in a town for you to name it Black Gnat?

My home county’s name meant “Place of White Stones” in one tribal dialectic, “Big Brother” in another, and “Evil Spirits” in a third. To us, though, it just meant coal, chemicals, and corruption.

196 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:14:58pm

Pre-screened, pre-selected……and Breitbart!!

From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro
NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Sarah Palin is expected to take the stage here tonight at 9, and speak for about 30 to 45 minutes. She will then take about 15 minutes of pre-screened, pre-selected questions.

Organizers say they aren’t sure if Palin has seen the questions in advance.

Andrew Breitbart, who runs a conservative Web site, will introduce Palin. Rep. Marsha Blackburn, a Tennessean, was originally scheduled to introduce her before she pulled out of the conference in response to the for-profit nature of the convention.

First Read

197 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:15:25pm

re: #191 HoosierHoops

No.. I don’t move till fall.. I get one last race…It is so much fun at the track

i was at the indy 500 in ‘82 and ‘83 … I was in the pit area during the race and also during practice …. it was amazing. the cars were going so fast that I didn’t even hear the sound a car made until it was several hundred yards past where I was standing.

198 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:19:24pm

re: #197 _RememberTonyC

i was at the indy 500 in ‘82 and ‘83 … I was in the pit area during the race and also during practice … it was amazing. the cars were going so fast that I didn’t even hear the sound a car made until it was several hundred yards past where I was standing.

I do the Party out at the Coke Parking lot every year..Crazy weekend…
Until you see a real Indy car go by you.. You haven’t lived..It is breath taking.. Watching it on TV is a joke.. You have to see it in person..

199 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:24:37pm

Just checking in for a bit, so maybe this has already been mentioned—I don’t believe it is ever too late to denounce birtherism anytime and anywhere, no matter how many standing ovations and how much applause comes first.

It seems a little late to start worrying about it, the day after the keynote speaker unleashed a full-on paranoid Birther rant to a cheering audience and a standing ovation.

It may be hypocritical, it may be suspect, or even laughable, but I say better to say nay than yay on the subject.

200 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:24:44pm

Oh ,, BTW ,,,

Happy (what would have been your) 99th birthday,, Ronald Reagan

201 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:25:14pm

re: #198 HoosierHoops

I do the Party out at the Coke Parking lot every year..Crazy weekend…
Until you see a real Indy car go by you.. You haven’t lived..It is breath taking.. Watching it on TV is a joke.. You have to see it in person..

no doubt … gotta run …. gonna take my GF/wife out to eat soon … good luck to your boys tomorrow!

202 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:25:52pm

re: #201 _RememberTonyC

no doubt … gotta run … gonna take my GF/wife out to eat soon … good luck to your boys tomorrow!

make sure they don’t meet up, or you’re a dead man!

203 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:26:24pm

re: #200 sattv4u2

Honest to goodness, after reading his released letters, I re-assessed that gentleman. To his favor.

204 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:26:33pm

re: #202 Guanxi88

make sure they don’t meet up, or you’re a dead man!

or we COULD have a threesome :)

205 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:27:03pm

I’m glad if the birther movement is fizzling out, but at the same time I mourn the loss of that particular source of amusement.

206 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:27:39pm
207 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:27:40pm

re: #205 negativ

I’m glad if the birther movement is fizzling out, but at the same time I mourn the loss of that particular source of amusement.

There’ll be another. Like those f’ing reality shows, there’s always another one on its way.

208 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:29:41pm

Exasperated Right Rejects Birther Speech at Tea Party

Farah’s ideological cousins have quickly moved to disown him. As David Weigel reports, Andrew Breitbart—who gave a media-blasting address Saturday morning—snapped that Farah’s speech was “narcissistic,” and “a losing issue.” Conservative bloggers are leaping to Breitbart’s side, arguing that birther rhetoric is not the heart of the Tea Party movement, but a hindrance to its credibility.

We Have Better Anti-Obama Arguments, writes Ed Morrissey at Hot Air. “Not only is it not a winning issue, it will hang like an albatross around the necks of conservatives who tacitly or expressly link themselves to it.”

Unrepresentative of Tea Partiers, writes Jillian Bandes at Town Hall. “Don’t take the confrontation as representative of your average Tea Party Convention attendee’s feelings on any of the issues they discuss, namely birtherism, media coverage, niche conservative infighting.”

Plays Into Media’s Hands, writes Dan Riehl at Riehl World View. “Well, it’s not hard to guess what the first media question to Palin will be … Some fricking morons just have to give the media precisely what they want, I guess.”

A Blow to a Respectable Movement, says Jonathan H. Kupistky at FrumForum. “It’s a silly line of attack against Obama. … Message for the cameras: This is a room full of conspiracy theorists.”

209 Jerk  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:31:03pm

Oh, cool, a schism. Let me make some popcorn.

210 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:31:15pm

re: #144 Guanxi88

God damn :D

He had to destroy the rental to save it!

211 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:32:14pm

re: #205 negativ

I’m glad if the birther movement is fizzling out, but at the same time I mourn the loss of that particular source of amusement.

What makes you think it’s dying out? It’s very popular with the Tea Party crowd and Republicans in general. Even though it’s embarrassing they The are featured speakers at the Tea Party convention and the crowd loves them. Birtherism isn’t going anywhere.

212 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:33:12pm

re: #208 Buck

“A respectable movement!”


The Wave Rider told me to tell you from his incorporeal perch on the constellation of Sirius that that’s a load of whale crap.

213 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:34:07pm

re: #206 MandyManners

The Hamas government in Gaza on Saturday backtracked on its apology earlier this week in which it expressed regret for harming Israeli civilians in rocket attacks.


SNIP

Guess having a rare, decent sentiment animating their tongues made them feel all funny inside, and they didn’t care for it.

214 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:35:01pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

What makes you think it’s dying out? It’s very popular with the Tea Party crowd and Republicans in general. Even though it’s embarrassing they The are featured speakers at the Tea Party convention and the crowd loves them. Birtherism isn’t going anywhere.

I don’t think it’s dying out at all. It’s picking up steam. “Real” Republicans are addressing the political concerns of the TPers, and they’re worried that the movement will splinter, form its own party and take big slabs of the GOP base with it.

If it were truly fringe, they could ignore it.

216 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:35:31pm
217 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:35:33pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

What makes you think it’s dying out? It’s very popular with the Tea Party crowd and Republicans in general. Even though it’s embarrassing they The are featured speakers at the Tea Party convention and the crowd loves them. Birtherism isn’t going anywhere.

I expect it to loom heavy over the 2012 Republican primaries, along with a lot of other tea party crap.

218 The Shadow Do  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:36:40pm

re: #191 HoosierHoops

No.. I don’t move till fall.. I get one last race…It is so much fun at the track

Time Trials! Gotta do the time trials, not the spectacle but lots of drama. I always like the trials better than the race (although the first 10 minutes of the race chills the spine…Gentlemen, start your engines!!)

219 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:36:43pm

re: #213 The Sanity Inspector

Guess having a rare, decent sentiment animating their tongues made them feel all funny inside, and they didn’t care for it.

I’m guessing there was a big internal political squabble over that apology at the Hamas Terrordrome. And we just learned which side won.

220 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:37:20pm

Non sequitur:

221 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:37:31pm

Westboro Baptist Church does a parody of Lady Gaga’s Poker Face

222 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:38:13pm

re: #212 WindUpBird

“A respectable movement!”

The Wave Rider told me to tell you from his incorporeal perch on the constellation of Sirius that that’s a load of whale crap.

Fine, your opinion. However this is exactly what they should do. Distance themselves from the birthers. Stand up for the ‘planks’ in the tea party platform that they agree with, and put down the crazies. Of course you think they are all crazy. That is fine. A bit one dimensional, and closed minded… but fine.

223 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:38:43pm

re: #220 negativ


FUCK YES TYPE O

I have seen them live like five times. What a great and fun band. I’m glad Pete Steele is off the sauce and kicking ass, he seemed like he was going to die of alcoholism for a while there.

224 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:40:10pm
225 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:40:32pm

re: #210 WindUpBird

God damn :D

He had to destroy the rental to save it!

Nope, lost the rental, saved his business. If you can’t collect the rent, the property’s worse than useless. There were other tenants who saw what was going on there, and he feared he’d lose his hold on them.

Tough old character, that man.

226 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:42:05pm

re: #222 Buck

Fine, your opinion. However this is exactly what they should do. Distance themselves from the birthers. Stand up for the ‘planks’ in the tea party platform that they agree with, and put down the crazies. Of course you think they are all crazy. That is fine. A bit one dimensional, and closed minded… but fine.

They ARE the birthers. And the Birchers. And the paranoids. That is the core of their movement.

Read what World Net Daily puts up on their website. Listen to what Glenn beck says on his show. These people are speaking to a real audience. These people want to hear this nonsense. They agree with it.

And tell me that what they say isn’t crazy. Bigoted paranoia. Calls for theocracy. Calls for racist tests to weed out black people from voting. Anti-gay apocalyptic predictions. Birtherism. Manchurian-candidate style conspiracy theories.

Do you subscribe to any of their rhetoric, Buck?

227 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:43:41pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

To be honest, I’ve completely quit caring. Idiots and assholes are in charge at all levels, and will remain so despite all our indignant ranting and raving. As far as I’ m concerned, the best that relatively sane people can hope for is the ability to laugh ourselves into oblivion As The World Burns.

228 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:43:47pm

re: #225 Guanxi88

Nope, lost the rental, saved his business. If you can’t collect the rent, the property’s worse than useless. There were other tenants who saw what was going on there, and he feared he’d lose his hold on them.

Tough old character, that man.

I know, I was making a Vietnam joke. ;-)

And yeah, I’ve heard some wild wild stories from my friends who own property. I have an old friend from high school who moved to Fairbanks, and bought up all these duplexes. He’s making a fortune, but he has had to deal with some insane tenants. Some people have the fortitude to invest in property like that. I could not do it. I’m just not hardass enough to deal with bad tenants. :D

229 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:45:03pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

230 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:45:16pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Westboro Baptist Church does a parody of Lady Gaga’s Poker Face


[Video]

impossible. You can’t parody a parody, and the character in question is clearly a parody of the shallow and vapid state of popular culture.

Then again, in a case like this, I’m not sure which is more distasteful.

(Thinks for a moment)

Eh, Westboro - Lady Gaga at least gets paid for her nonsense.

231 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:46:17pm

re: #227 negativ

To be honest, I’ve completely quit caring. Idiots and assholes are in charge at all levels, and will remain so despite all our indignant ranting and raving. As far as I’ m concerned, the best that relatively sane people can hope for is the ability to laugh ourselves into oblivion As The World Burns.

No matter how crazy the rest of the country gets, Portland will remain at least somewhat reasonable. If America is overtaken by paranoids, I’ll just travel less. And maybe uparmor my car. And hire Pig-Killer to ride shotgun.

232 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:46:17pm

re: #228 WindUpBird

I know, I was making a Vietnam joke. ;-)

And yeah, I’ve heard some wild wild stories from my friends who own property. I have an old friend from high school who moved to Fairbanks, and bought up all these duplexes. He’s making a fortune, but he has had to deal with some insane tenants. Some people have the fortitude to invest in property like that. I could not do it. I’m just not hardass enough to deal with bad tenants. :D

Yeah, I’d thought about going into his racket at one time. I realized I lacked the iron will to do it though - I;m a sucker for a sob-story.

233 albusteve  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:46:24pm

re: #200 sattv4u2

Oh ,, BTW ,,,

Happy (what would have been your) 99th birthday,, Ronald Reagan

mine too!…
oh wait…I only feel 99

234 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:46:39pm

re: #231 WindUpBird

No matter how crazy the rest of the country gets, Portland will remain at least somewhat reasonable. If America is overtaken by paranoids, I’ll just travel less. And maybe uparmor my car. And hire Pig-Killer to ride shotgun.

Who run Bartertown?

235 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:47:25pm

re: #234 Guanxi88

Who run Bartertown?

MASTERBLASTER

236 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:47:35pm

re: #235 WindUpBird

MASTERBLASTER

Say again.

237 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:47:46pm

You know what is irratating?
The scroll thing on the Bottom of the TV naming every church in Indiana is closed in the morning…We get it…There is a shitload of snow..
Why just not announce all churches in the morning are closed?
Do I really need to know the MT. Zion blessed Middletown Weslean church is closed? Look.. They are all closed..Stay at home..God still loves you..Spare me 18 hours of Scrolls on the TV…
*wink*

238 Racer X  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:48:22pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Westboro Baptist Church does a parody of Lady Gaga’s Poker Face


[Video]

I kept waiting for her to show me her filth. I was totally let down.

239 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:48:54pm

re: #234 Guanxi88

Who run Bartertown?

240 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:49:08pm

re: #232 Guanxi88

Yeah, I’d thought about going into his racket at one time. I realized I lacked the iron will to do it though - I;m a sucker for a sob-story.

So am I, and I also hate dealing with the public. I’ve never worked retail for that reason.

241 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:49:16pm

re: #237 HoosierHoops

You know what is irratating?
The scroll thing on the Bottom of the TV naming every church in Indiana is closed in the morning…We get it…There is a shitload of snow..
Why just not announce all churches in the morning are closed?
Do I really need to know the MT. Zion blessed Middletown Weslean church is closed? Look.. They are all closed..Stay at home..God still loves you..Spare me 18 hours of Scrolls on the TV…
*wink*


Hey ,,, the person that puts that scroll there ,,, thats a job that saved by ,,,,welll ,,,,,, errrrrr,,,,!!!!

242 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:49:53pm

re: #226 WindUpBird

They ARE the birthers. And the Birchers. And the paranoids. That is the core of their movement.

Read what World Net Daily puts up on their website. Listen to what Glenn beck says on his show. These people are speaking to a real audience. These people want to hear this nonsense. They agree with it.

And tell me that what they say isn’t crazy. Bigoted paranoia. Calls for theocracy. Calls for racist tests to weed out black people from voting. Anti-gay apocalyptic predictions. Birtherism. Manchurian-candidate style conspiracy theories.

Do you subscribe to any of their rhetoric, Buck?

Hasn’t Buck in the past felt that the people here are being too mean to Glenn Beck?

243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:50:10pm

re: #236 Guanxi88

Say again.

hee! Man, if they do what they claim they’re going to do with Fury Road (animated feature inspired by Akira, and a video game) and they actually pull it off, I will just run around like I won the Showcase Showdown on the Price is Right.

244 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:50:43pm

re: #242 jamesfirecat

Hasn’t Buck in the past felt that the people here are being too mean to Glenn Beck?

hahaha really? I don’t remember XD

245 Jerk  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:51:13pm

re: #229 negativ

Funny you brought that up. Devo just came out with this blog post today:

clubdevo.com

246 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:51:27pm

Behind the scenes at the TeaBagCon.

247 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:51:28pm

re: #238 Racer X

The whole Lady Gaga thing is over my head. I don’t find her attractive or talented.

248 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:53:52pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

The whole Lady Gaga thing is over my head. I don’t find her attractive or talented.

I find her cool and interesting in sort of a meta-I-wonder-if-she-can-be-the-new-Madonna sort of way. And I root for anyone who will wear such completely bonkers costumes as part of her act.

But it’s…uh, not really my flavor of music. :D

249 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:54:00pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

The whole Lady Gaga thing is over my head. I don’t find her attractive or talented.

pop culture phenoms. They come and go.
Cindi Laupur (sp?)
Pink
Today, GaGa

they each make a splash with a schtick which wears out

250 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:55:25pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

Westboro Baptist Church does a parody of Lady Gaga’s Poker Face

What radio talk show host was it, that kept them away from soldiers’ funerals by offering them an hour of his show, instead?

251 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:55:37pm

re: #249 sattv4u2

pop culture phenoms. They come and go.
Cindi Laupur (sp?)
Pink
Today, GaGa

they each make a splash with a schtick which wears out

I hope you’re not telling me Cyndi Lauper didn’t have gobs of talent!

252 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:56:04pm

re: #250 The Sanity Inspector

Michael Reagan

(why do I know that?!)

253 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:56:16pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

and of course,

254 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:56:33pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

The whole Lady Gaga thing is over my head. I don’t find her attractive or talented.

Who Cares? You spend one night with Lady Gaga you are a made man…
Don’t try to understand it..Just go with the flow…
/And you damn well better go for the 400 dollar haircut.. I’ll never forgive you if you don’t

255 albusteve  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:56:49pm

re: #251 WindUpBird

I hope you’re not telling me Cyndi Lauper didn’t have gobs of talent!

I hope he is….being as gob does not does not equate with gobs of talent

256 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:57:00pm

Frankly, I think the country needs more honest, straight-talking candidates.

Like this fellow:

inch.com

257 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:57:24pm

re: #244 WindUpBird

hahaha really? I don’t remember XD

He does a fair bit of it in this thread


littlegreenfootballs.com

I would have more but the way LGF is set up you can’t actually search for each comment someone has posted in a thread simply by doing a “Control F” and their name, you only see the posts in which people reply to what they’ve said.

Also a while back he showed me an online poll that evidently after Opra, Glenn Beck is the second most popular person in the US at the moment…

258 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:57:25pm
259 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:57:37pm

re: #251 WindUpBird

I hope you’re not telling me Cyndi Lauper didn’t have gobs of talent!

A true waste that she isn’t more widely remembered. Lady could sing.

260 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:57:56pm

re: #255 albusteve

I hope he is…being as gob does not does not equate with gobs of talent

The Wave Rider told me to tell you from the sweeping dunes of Purgatory that he can’t parse this sentence.

261 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:57:58pm

re: #248 WindUpBird

You think that because that’s how she’s been marketed.

262 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:58:48pm

re: #257 jamesfirecat

He does a fair bit of it in this thread

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I would have more but the way LGF is set up you can’t actually search for each comment someone has posted in a thread simply by doing a “Control F” and their name, you only see the posts in which people reply to what they’ve said.

You can get around this by searching for the person’s name immediately followed by two spaces. You can’t see them, but there are two spaces following each user name on the top line of a comment, specifically to allow this.

263 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:59:24pm

A Turkish op-ed deplores a recent honor killing in the Kurdish areas. It’s barbaric, he agrees. What could be the solution? More Islam.

264 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:59:32pm

re: #251 WindUpBird

I hope you’re not telling me Cyndi Lauper didn’t have gobs of talent!


There was a time in the ’80s when it seemed Cyndi Lauper and Madonna were struggling for the county’s pop-culture soul. We lost.

265 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:00:26pm

re: #259 Guanxi88

A true waste that she isn’t more widely remembered. Lady could sing.

She still can! :D

But yeah, of my favorite 80’s pop, she’s way up there. I have doom metal, industrial music, found-sound experimental downtempo…and Cyndi Lauper on my iPod. :D

266 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:00:32pm
267 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:01:31pm

re: #262 Charles

You can get around this by searching for the person’s name immediately followed by two spaces. You can’t see them, but there are two spaces following each user name on the top line of a comment, specifically to allow this.

Whoops my bad, I also had a space I didn’t notice in front of his name so of course I was having trouble finding it…

268 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:01:56pm

re: #257 jamesfirecat


I would have more but the way LGF is set up you can’t actually search for each comment someone has posted in a thread simply by doing a “Control F” and their name, you only see the posts in which people reply to what they’ve said.

…???… I have no problem using the Ctl+F to find names, whether authors or quoted names, in FireFox.

269 albusteve  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:02:07pm

re: #260 WindUpBird

The Wave Rider told me to tell you from the sweeping dunes of Purgatory that he can’t parse this sentence.

in other words, the level of her talent is directly related to the level of her current obscurity…there’s always that elusive comeback tho…man, could that girl not sing!

270 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:02:15pm
271 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:02:26pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

What makes you think it’s dying out? It’s very popular with the Tea Party crowd and Republicans in general. Even though it’s embarrassing they The are featured speakers at the Tea Party convention and the crowd loves them. Birtherism isn’t going anywhere.

Not even to hell in a handbasket?

272 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:03:00pm

re: #261 negativ

You think that because that’s how she’s been marketed.

I was under the impression she’s in control of her own career, unlike a lot of pop stars.

Come on, I can find her interesting without suffering the slings and arrows of “THAT’S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK” ;-) It’s not like I’m buying the t-shirt!

273 Racer X  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:03:03pm

Oh shit - don’t watch that video - really disturbing images near the end.

Charles - please delete that. Sorry.

274 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:03:34pm

re: #269 albusteve

in other words, the level of her talent is directly related to the level of her current obscurity…there’s always that elusive comeback tho…man, could that girl not sing!

The Wave Rider thanks you for your input.

275 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:04:22pm

God dammit, you people.

276 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:05:11pm

re: #264 Decatur Deb

There was a time in the ’80s when it seemed Cyndi Lauper and Madonna were struggling for the county’s pop-culture soul. We lost.

I’d be okay with the freaky fetish Bedtime Stories era Madonna having the soul of the country. Zaniness ensues!

277 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:07:07pm

Custom LOL, just for Nashville.

278 Gus  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:07:43pm

Come Monday all of the news outlet commentators outside of Fox News will be having a field day with what went on at the Tea Party Convention. I also expect to see this on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart and the Colbert Report since it naturally lends itself to comedy.

The spin from the Dick Armey and Eric Odom wing of the Tea Party will their claim that “this wasn’t the real Tea Party” at play here. Sarah Palin will be seen as ideologically attached to this group and event. Thus far we’ve heard of literacy tests like the days of Jim Crow; a call for theocracy; and a never ending stream of birther conspiracies from the likes of Joseph Farah.

279 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:08:32pm
280 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:08:44pm

Danica is running 6th..
It’s Danica this, Danica that.. Camera’s from every angle on Danica..They had a segment on Danica’s eyes an hour ago..
This is be the most viewed race on the Speed channel of all time..
You go girl!

281 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:09:52pm

re: #278 Gus 802

Fox will report that:

A) there were fifty times the attendees there, showing footage of the crowd from Wrestlemania 3 as proof.

B) There were no birthers at the event, and if there were, they were all Democrats!

282 Gus  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:10:41pm

re: #281 WindUpBird

Fox will report that:

A) there were fifty times the attendees there, showing footage of the crowd from Wrestlemania 3 as proof.

B) There were no birthers at the event, and if there were, they were all Democrats!

50 million attend first evah National Tea Party Convention!11!11!1

//

283 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:12:36pm

re: #226 WindUpBird

They ARE the birthers. And the Birchers. And the paranoids. That is the core of their movement.

Read what World Net Daily puts up on their website. Listen to what Glenn beck says on his show. These people are speaking to a real audience. These people want to hear this nonsense. They agree with it.

And tell me that what they say isn’t crazy. Bigoted paranoia. Calls for theocracy. Calls for racist tests to weed out black people from voting. Anti-gay apocalyptic predictions. Birtherism. Manchurian-candidate style conspiracy theories.

Do you subscribe to any of their rhetoric, Buck?

I do not agree with you that they are They ARE the birthers. And the Birchers. And the paranoids. I do not agree with you that this is the core of the movement.

I am certainly not a birther, bircher or paranoid. Although it is getting harder and harder to feel that you all are not out to get me…

I don’t like Obama. For a whole bunch of reasons. I do not pick him simply because I disagree with creationists and birthers.

I have seen way too much anti semitism from the left. Too many “protocols of Kos” and hatred posted on Obamas own site. That hatred / anti semitism shouldn’t define the democratic party any more than the birthers should define the conservative movement.

284 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:13:01pm

re: #276 WindUpBird

I’d be okay with the freaky fetish Bedtime Stories era Madonna having the soul of the country. Zaniness ensues!

re: #281 WindUpBird

Fox will report that:

A) there were fifty times the attendees there, showing footage of the crowd from Wrestlemania 3 as proof.

B) There were no birthers at the event, and if there were, they were all Democrats!

I was confused by that truck-eating dinosaur.

285 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:13:17pm

re: #264 Decatur Deb

There was a time in the ’80s when it seemed Cyndi Lauper and Madonna were struggling for the county’s pop-culture soul. We lost.

Madonna had/(has?) a truly great contralto voice, and under less stupid cultural circumstances, she might be better appreciated for her actual talent than for her tits.

286 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:14:09pm

Whoah, I just discovered a website feature I hadn’t noticed before. The comment box is scalable. You can drag the li’l dots there at the bottom and make it larger or smaller. Coolness! Now I don’t have to put up with the scrolling peephole for larger comments.

287 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:14:12pm

re: #257 jamesfirecat

Many thanks for that link. That was some serious comedy in that thread!

288 idioma  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:14:26pm

I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in this casino!

289 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:14:38pm

re: #285 negativ

Madonna had/(has?) a truly great contralto voice, and under less stupid cultural circumstances, she might be better appreciated for her actual talent than for her tits.

It wasn’t about the singing. Lauper was the last champion of goofy innocence.

290 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:15:17pm

re: #283 Buck

I do not agree with you that they are They ARE the birthers. And the Birchers. And the paranoids. I do not agree with you that this is the core of the movement.

I am certainly not a birther, bircher or paranoid. Although it is getting harder and harder to feel that you all are not out to get me…

I don’t like Obama. For a whole bunch of reasons. I do not pick him simply because I disagree with creationists and birthers.

I have seen way too much anti semitism from the left. Too many “protocols of Kos” and hatred posted on Obamas own site. That hatred / anti semitism shouldn’t define the democratic party any more than the birthers should define the conservative movement.

We don’t hate you we just “hate” by which I mean are one third afraid, one third pitting and one third love to mock, (adjust own levels as needed) of the crowd you seem to like to hang around with.

291 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:15:51pm

re: #288 idioma

I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in this casino!

There is enough cash bet on the Colts tp buy a small third world country..

292 Racer X  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:16:51pm

I watched Pink’s performance at the Grammy’s again today. Just an awesome performance!


293 Lidane  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:17:03pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

The whole Lady Gaga thing is over my head. I don’t find her attractive or talented.

I like her. She keeps things interesting in a music world dominated by squeaky clean Disney acts and American Idol contestants.

Plus, I love anyone willing to go to that level of theatrics. Seeing her duet with Elton John at the Grammys made me draw all kinds of parallels between the two of them, at least in terms of all the outlandish outfits Elton used to wear, and they seemed to be well matched onstage. I wish her luck. I hope she can carve out a lasting career for herself.

294 idioma  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:18:25pm

re: #291 HoosierHoops

There is enough cash bet on the Colts tp buy a small third world country..

I don’t really follow sports. There are enough “us vs. them” in real life for my taste.

295 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:19:07pm

re: #285 negativ

Madonna had/(has?) a truly great contralto voice, and under less stupid cultural circumstances, she might be better appreciated for her actual talent than for her tits.

Yeah, how dare she make us look at her bosom by strapping funnels on ‘em?

296 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:20:03pm

re: #294 idioma

I don’t really follow sports. There are enough “us vs. them” in real life for my taste.

Did you ever play sports?

297 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:20:07pm
298 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:20:16pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

The whole Lady Gaga thing is over my head. I don’t find her attractive or talented.

I stopped being able to tell one blonde pop tart from another decades ago.

299 Jerk  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:20:46pm

re: #293 Lidane

I like her. She keeps things interesting in a music world dominated by squeaky clean Disney acts and American Idol contestants.

But Miley danced on a stripper pole!

300 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:21:05pm
301 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:21:57pm

re: #283 Buck

I do not agree with you that they are They ARE the birthers. And the Birchers. And the paranoids. I do not agree with you that this is the core of the movement.

I am certainly not a birther, bircher or paranoid. Although it is getting harder and harder to feel that you all are not out to get me…

I don’t like Obama. For a whole bunch of reasons. I do not pick him simply because I disagree with creationists and birthers.

I have seen way too much anti semitism from the left. Too many “protocols of Kos” and hatred posted on Obamas own site. That hatred / anti semitism shouldn’t define the democratic party any more than the birthers should define the conservative movement.

We’re not out to get you. What In the world would we do with you if we had you? 8-) Personally, I just think you’re wrong, outside the mainstream, and an apologist for crazy rhetoric.

Now. On to the meat! Birthers don’t define the conservative movement. I never said that. Also “conservative movement” does not equal “Republican Party”.

Birthers are a large part of the Tea Party movement. The Tea Party movement doesn’t define conservatism at all. I never said that either. We’re talking about political parties, and how extremist activists can hijack a party (the GOP) and compel it to pander to them.

I’m talking about the mechanics of extremists becoming active and influential in a mainstream political party. And you just want to flail about and exercise your logical fallacies with your final paragraph. Jazzercise!

302 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:22:33pm
303 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:24:08pm

re: #226 WindUpBird

And tell me that what they say isn’t crazy. Bigoted paranoia. Calls for theocracy. Calls for racist tests to weed out black people from voting. Anti-gay apocalyptic predictions. Birtherism. Manchurian-candidate style conspiracy theories.

Do you subscribe to any of their rhetoric, Buck?

Tell me that the core of the democratic party isn’t anti semetic, full of blood libels, conspiracy theories, and sheer insanity. I mean a lot of democrats and supporters of Obama are on KOS and one of the most vile antisemitic diaries ever posted at that hate hole is still online: Daily Kos: Eulogy before the Inevitability of Self-Destruction: The Decline and Death of Israel.


Do you subscribe to any of their rhetoric WindUpBird?

/of course not… but I wanted you to know what you were saying to me…

304 Lidane  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:24:22pm

re: #299 Jerk

But Miley danced on a stripper pole!

Heh, true. That still doesn’t make her interesting.

Some of my friends have a betting pool over which current Disney starlet will pose for Playboy first. Miley was in the lead last time I checked.

305 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:24:23pm
306 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:25:26pm

re: #279 MandyManners

From your linked article on Haiti:

Women have long been second-class citizens in Haiti.

According to the United Nations, the Haitian Constitution does not specifically prohibit sexual discrimination. Under Haitian law, the minimum legal age for marriage is 15 years for women and 18 years for men, and early marriage is common. A 2004 U.N. report estimated 19 percent of girls between the ages of 15 and 19 were married, divorced or widowed.

Rape was only made a criminal offense in Haiti in 2005.

!

307 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:26:06pm

re: #303 Buck

Tell me that the core of the democratic party isn’t anti semetic, full of blood libels, conspiracy theories, and sheer insanity. I mean a lot of democrats and supporters of Obama are on KOS and one of the most vile antisemitic diaries ever posted at that hate hole is still online: Daily Kos: Eulogy before the Inevitability of Self-Destruction: The Decline and Death of Israel.

Do you subscribe to any of their rhetoric WindUpBird?

/of course not… but I wanted you to know what you were saying to me…

It’s not, and I really don’t!

I don’t defend crazy rhetoric. You actually DO defend Beck’s crazy rhetoric. Show me where on LGF I have defended extreme rhetoric of any kind.

308 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:26:24pm
309 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:26:48pm

Off to drive my swedish station wagon to Ikea to buy some lamps. Oh the symmetry.

310 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:27:13pm

re: #302 MandyManners

The federal courts are wrestling with a question of both liberty and patriotism: Does the First Amendment right to free speech protect people who lie about being war heroes?

SNIP

Pickup lines in a bar are one thing. People like Micah Wright, who impersonated a war veteran to lend weight to his anti-Iraq war spewage, well…there’s not much that’s lower.

311 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:27:27pm

re: #300 MandyManners

Is your avatar a photograph of Jonestown?

Yep, that’s what he’s got up there.

312 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:27:35pm

re: #300 MandyManners

Is your avatar a photograph of Jonestown?

Idioma’s? Yes it is.

313 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:29:01pm
314 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:29:27pm
315 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:30:28pm

re: #311 Guanxi88

Yep, that’s what he’s got up there.

Last time I looked (weeks ago, I think) it was a person with his/her forearm all carved up with the name Jesus. Made me a little queasy.

316 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:30:31pm

re: #302 MandyManners

“At issue is a three-year-old federal law called the Stolen Valor Act that makes it a crime punishable by up to a year in jail to falsely claim to have received a medal from the U.S. military. It is a crime even if the liar makes no effort to profit from his stolen glory.”

His argument falls away as soon as someone buys our hero a drink in a bar. Else, Bernie Madoff was only exercising his free speech. (Since when is glory not profit? Not very Roman, that.)

Nice debate premise, though

317 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:31:00pm

re: #315 Silvergirl

Last time I looked (weeks ago, I think) it was a person with his/her forearm all carved up with the name Jesus. Made me a little queasy.

Yeah, this new one’s even less subtle in its intended message.

318 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:32:13pm
319 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:32:14pm

re: #317 Guanxi88

Yeah, this new one’s even less subtle in its intended message.

Ooh! You’re using Ming the Merciless, now?

Sweet!

320 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:32:36pm
321 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:32:54pm

re: #303 Buck

Tell me that the core of the democratic party isn’t anti semetic, full of blood libels, conspiracy theories, and sheer insanity. I mean a lot of democrats and supporters of Obama are on KOS and one of the most vile antisemitic diaries ever posted at that hate hole is still online: Daily Kos: Eulogy before the Inevitability of Self-Destruction: The Decline and Death of Israel.

Do you subscribe to any of their rhetoric WindUpBird?

/of course not… but I wanted you to know what you were saying to me…


That stuff used to be common on DKos and we here at LGF gave them all kinds of shit for it. The diary you link to was from 2008 and it’s rare to see stuff like that these days. Birthers and Birchers are popular today with Republicans. It’s a contemporary issue as opposed to a 2 year old diary on DKos.

322 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:33:13pm

re: #307 WindUpBird

It’s not, and I really don’t!

I don’t defend crazy rhetoric. You actually DO defend Beck’s crazy rhetoric. Show me where on LGF I have defended extreme rhetoric of any kind.

You miss the point. I DON’T defend the crazy. I defend the part of the movement that isn’t crazy. You just like to lump me in, and paint me with the big brush.

Show me where I defended Beck’s crazy rhetoric.

The birthers/birchers etc are NOT the core of the movement anymore than antisemitism is at the core of DailyKos… despite a shit load of anti semetism on the site.

Give the movement a chance to minimize the crazies, to distance themselves from the racists etc. I defend THAT.

323 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:33:20pm

re: #320 MandyManners

What’s the message?

Humans are idiots? Just a guess.

324 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:33:23pm

re: #319 austin_blue

Ooh! You’re using Ming the Merciless, now?

Sweet!

Nope, that’s Fu Manchu, from “The mask of Fu Manchu” - featuring Boris Karloff as Fu.

325 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:34:22pm

re: #324 Guanxi88

Nope, that’s Fu Manchu, from “The mask of Fu Manchu” - featuring Boris Karloff as Fu.

((hangs head in shame))

326 allegro  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:34:33pm

re: #303 Buck

You failed to mention that the diary you note was almost entirely trashed by the Kos community. Using that to smear that website in particular and the left in general as being anti-semitic is dishonest in the extreme.

327 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:34:57pm

re: #320 MandyManners

What’s the message?

Evidently, from what I could glean the last time he or she opened up on the topic, that belief in the supernatural is a perniciously destructive aberration. Seems Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot et al were pikers when stacked up against the monstrous evils of religious or supernatural belief.

And yeah, he godwined himself in the discussion.

328 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:35:10pm
329 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:36:25pm
330 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:36:45pm

re: #321 Killgore Trout

That stuff used to be common on DKos and we here at LGF gave them all kinds of shit for it. The diary you link to was from 2008 and it’s rare to see stuff like that these days. Birthers and Birchers are popular today with Republicans. It’s a contemporary issue as opposed to a 2 year old diary on DKos.

and it would have been wrong to define Kos or the democratic party based on the nuts. Just as wrong as it is to define this group by the nuts.

AND 2008 was NOT all that long ago…

331 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:36:48pm

re: #323 austin_blue

Humans are idiots? Just a guess.

Maybe true, but work with each other, people! We’re all we’ve got, at least until those beings from the other planet start dropping in and introducing themselves.

332 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:37:21pm

re: #223 WindUpBird

Several years ago, I saw TON at a venue in Dallas called “TREES” which no longer exists. The last song TON played was “Black No. 1”, and a guy you might have heard of named Darrell Abbott joined them on stage at the end of the show.

Afterward, the ex and I made our way to The Clubhouse, where all sorts of shenanigans were afoot. Statues of limitations prevent me from going into specifics.

333 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:37:30pm

OK, I guess you could call this a big snow in Baltimore.

The grocery shop half a block down shoveled their walk and then closed at five. They never do that. The only things open in two blocks are the liquor store (thank Bacchus!), the Chinese laundry (real businesspeople), the Chinese takeout (ditto), and the Hamas convenience store (actually Egyptian, but they do tend to give me the old unibrow scowl when I forget and walk in there with my Israeli paratrooper cap and my infidel dog).

High times!

334 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:38:15pm

Later Lizards. Going to a little fundraiser for Haitian Relief with She Who Must Be Obeyed.

335 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:38:35pm
336 Jerk  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:38:59pm

re: #332 negativ

Wow, I think you’ve been going through my iTunes today, negativ. Weirdness.

337 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:39:04pm
338 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:39:28pm

re: #333 Cato the Elder

OK, I guess you could call this a big snow in Baltimore.

The grocery shop half a block down shoveled their walk and then closed at five. They never do that. The only things open in two blocks are the liquor store (thank Bacchus!), the Chinese laundry (real businesspeople), the Chinese takeout (ditto), and the Hamas convenience store (actually Egyptian, but they do tend to give me the old unibrow scowl when I forget and walk in there with my Israeli paratrooper cap and my infidel dog).

High times!

No power outages?

More snow expected?

339 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:40:23pm
340 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:40:24pm

re: #338 Silvergirl

No power outages?

More snow expected?

hey, if he’s got booze, chinese takeout, clean shirts, and the few things remaining needful from the corner store, who needs power?

341 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:40:40pm

re: #333 Cato the Elder

OK, I guess you could call this a big snow in Baltimore.

The grocery shop half a block down shoveled their walk and then closed at five. They never do that. The only things open in two blocks are the liquor store (thank Bacchus!), the Chinese laundry (real businesspeople), the Chinese takeout (ditto), and the Hamas convenience store (actually Egyptian, but they do tend to give me the old unibrow scowl when I forget and walk in there with my Israeli paratrooper cap and my infidel dog).

High times!

My sister called. She’s gotten north of 30’ in Ellicott City.

342 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:41:21pm
343 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:41:23pm

re: #337 MandyManners

I thought they’re here already.

I haven’t met any, but they may be traveling incognito.

344 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:41:27pm

re: #324 Guanxi88

Nope, that’s Fu Manchu, from “The mask of Fu Manchu” - featuring Boris Karloff as Fu.

“Karloff? Sidekick? FUCK YOU! Karloff did not deserve to smell my shit! That limey cocksucker can rot in Hell for all I care! “

HAHAHAHA, watched Ed Wood last night. Great flick.

345 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:41:31pm

re: #326 allegro

You failed to mention that the diary you note was almost entirely trashed by the Kos community. Using that to smear that website in particular and the left in general as being anti-semitic is dishonest in the extreme.

Wow, and when I post that people are trashing the birther, it is dismissed….

THAT IS THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE. The democratic “movement” can distance themselves from the anti-semites just as the tea party movement can distance themselves from the birthers/birchers.

Re-read my post. I was using the same ‘unfairness’ that was being used at me to demonstrate how unfair it was.

346 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:41:49pm

re: #342 MandyManners

Will she crack her whip if you refuse?

Yes, she will, Mistress.

347 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:41:54pm

re: #335 MandyManners

Snow cream
1/2 c sugar
1/2 milk
1 teaspoon of vanilla
snow

Heh, I got ~30” of snow… That’s a lot of dessert!
;)

348 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:42:18pm
349 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:42:22pm

re: #338 Silvergirl

No power outages?

More snow expected?

No, it seems to be over. And even my parents in the ‘burbs still have power. That could change at any moment, though.

Thing is this was actually a THUNDERSNOW. Woke up in the middle o’ the night to the sound of the gods playing ninepins while the flakes flew down. I don’t believe I’ve ever experienced that but once before in my old, old life.

350 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:42:55pm

re: #318 MandyManners

Madoff DID profit.

Weird—LGF quietly locked up, and needed a refresh.

The guy with phony medals is getting at least an intangible benefit. There are probably other types of prohibited fraudulent speech, like the old “alienation of affections” and “seduction” that might still be on some books. This is really one for Lawhawk and Co., though.

351 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:43:00pm
352 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:43:09pm

re: #345 Buck


THAT IS THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE. The democratic “movement” can distance themselves from the anti-semites just as the tea party movement can distance themselves from the birthers/birchers.


And they do so by giving them standing ovations?

353 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:43:16pm
354 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:43:21pm

re: #338 Silvergirl

No power outages?

More snow expected?

We have had 4 power outages last night…
I documented all of them on the Friday Night overnight thread.. I’m up! i’m down, I’m Up! Whoops i’m down..I’m Up!
i’m Down!

355 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:43:28pm

re: #322 Buck

You miss the point. I DON’T defend the crazy. I defend the part of the movement that isn’t crazy. You just like to lump me in, and paint me with the big brush.

Show me where I defended Beck’s crazy rhetoric.

The birthers/birchers etc are NOT the core of the movement anymore than antisemitism is at the core of DailyKos… despite a shit load of anti semetism on the site.

Give the movement a chance to minimize the crazies, to distance themselves from the racists etc. I defend THAT.


Since you asked for it

In Regard to Glenn Beck’s
“The Revolutionary Holocaust: Live Free…or Die.”

littlegreenfootballs.com

Post 194

“Good point. I saw the show, and I liked it.

In regards to Glenn Beck’s
I also don’t like the Right = Hitler.”

You don’t have to like it but my friend its the truth.

I’ll be digging up more of your crazyness as the night goes on, assuming I’m lucky and assuming you left some more around LFG…

356 keloyd  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:43:29pm

re: #334 austin_blue

Upding for any She / Rumpole of The Bailey reference

357 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:43:31pm

re: #349 Cato the Elder

No, it seems to be over. And even my parents in the ‘burbs still have power. That could change at any moment, though.

Thing is this was actually a THUNDERSNOW. Woke up in the middle o’ the night to the sound of the gods playing ninepins while the flakes flew down. I don’t believe I’ve ever experienced that but once before in my old, old life.

I love it! The event and the description of it!

358 allegro  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:43:38pm

re: #345 Buck

THAT IS THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE. The democratic “movement” can distance themselves from the anti-semites just as the tea party movement can distance themselves from the birthers/birchers.

Except that they aren’t. They are inviting them to speak and then giving them standing ovations. Where’s the distance?

Re-read my post. I was using the same ‘unfairness’ that was being used at me to demonstrate how unfair it was.

Truth is unfair apparently… to some.

359 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:43:40pm

re: #345 Buck

Wow, and when I post that people are trashing the birther, it is dismissed…

THAT IS THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE. The democratic “movement” can distance themselves from the anti-semites just as the tea party movement can distance themselves from the birthers/birchers.

Re-read my post. I was using the same ‘unfairness’ that was being used at me to demonstrate how unfair it was.

It’s kind of hard to distance yourself from them when they are featured speakers.

360 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:43:57pm
361 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:43:59pm

re: #345 Buck

THAT IS THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE. The democratic “movement” can distance themselves from the anti-semites just as the tea party movement can distance themselves from the birthers/birchers.

Except they’re not. Or am I missing something?

362 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:44:42pm

re: #359 Jeff In Ohio

It’s kind of hard to distance yourself from them when they are featured speakers.

And then get standing ovations…

363 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:44:46pm
364 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:45:13pm

re: #355 jamesfirecat

I’ll be digging up more of your crazyness as the night goes on, assuming I’m lucky and assuming you left some more around LFG…

Never fear.

365 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:45:19pm

re: #362 Varek Raith

And then get standing ovations…

Well, I didn’t want to pile on….

366 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:46:28pm

re: #340 Guanxi88

hey, if he’s got booze, chinese takeout, clean shirts, and the few things remaining needful from the corner store, who needs power?

What’s going to run LGF?

367 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:46:49pm

re: #345 Buck

Wow, and when I post that people are trashing the birther, it is dismissed…

THAT IS THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE. The democratic “movement” can distance themselves from the anti-semites just as the tea party movement can distance themselves from the birthers/birchers.

Re-read my post. I was using the same ‘unfairness’ that was being used at me to demonstrate how unfair it was.

It could indeed do that, the question is, does it want to?

368 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:46:56pm

Hey Cato, did you see any lightning during the storm?

369 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:47:53pm

The Tea Party movement is not a conservative movement. It is a movement of atavistic reactionaries.

370 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:47:55pm
371 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:48:13pm
372 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:48:37pm

re: #366 Silvergirl

What’s going to run LGF?

Hey, if you got hooch, kung pao chicken, clean shirts, and a couple packs of marlboros, you can ride out the lack of LGF.

373 albusteve  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:49:23pm

re: #367 jamesfirecat

It could indeed do that, the question is, does it want to?

not much of a fight, such an insignificant little point…why don’t you hang it up

374 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:49:28pm

No, but late-night friends did. I was just drowsing and kept waking up to the sound.

375 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:49:51pm

re: #363 MandyManners

I *think* North Carolina has the former on the books.

In a bar argument, I’d probably come down in favor of free speech side. The just consequence of such fraud should be loud and frequent mockery.

376 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:50:05pm

My damned dog hassled me all last night. Got maybe 3 hours’ sleep because of that furry little bastard.

377 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:50:28pm

re: #366 Silvergirl

What’s going to run LGF?

You mean, who’s going to monitor misuses of the words “tragedy” and “irony”?

I delegate my powers to you.

378 keloyd  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:51:21pm

Re the Stolen Valor Act, how is this different from the flag burning tempest in a teacup?

That sort of dishonesty is not cricket at all, but it also is not inciting people to violence, libelous, slanderous, lewd, or an act of espionage. How is this not covered at the outer edge of Freedom of Speech. That’s the whole point of Freedom of Speech - protecting the objectionable in order that the rest is safe.

379 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:51:30pm

re: #377 Cato the Elder

You mean, who’s going to monitor misuses of the words “tragedy” and “irony”?

I delegate my powers to you.

You talkin’ to me? I’m not worthy!

380 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:51:40pm

re: #366 Silvergirl

What’s going to run LGF?

Besides, we all know Cato’s really a room fool of IT customer service reps in New Delhi. It’s how they pass the time between calls from baffled customers.

381 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:52:01pm

re: #376 Guanxi88

My damned dog hassled me all last night. Got maybe 3 hours’ sleep because of that furry little bastard.

My dog used to get wacky during thunderstorms.

Then he figured out that I Am God and now he doesn’t make a fuss.

When, oh when, will the rest of the world suss it out?

382 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:52:11pm

re: #380 Guanxi88

Besides, we all know Cato’s really a room fool full of IT customer service reps in New Delhi. It’s how they pass the time between calls from baffled customers.

383 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:52:26pm

re: #354 HoosierHoops

We have had 4 power outages last night…
I documented all of them on the Friday Night overnight thread.. I’m up! i’m down, I’m Up! Whoops i’m down..I’m Up!
i’m Down!

And you wonder..The power goes off at 2am last night while I’m blogging here..
Total Darkness except the glow of the Laptop that can’t talk to the world..
And Winston goes and runs into the Bedroom under the covers..
mmm. Winston..It’s just as dark out here as under the covers.The lights would come on..I’d post..The lights would go out and Winston would run to the bedroom and jump under the covers…Jeez..What an over night thread!

384 allegro  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:52:52pm

re: #382 Guanxi88

… a room fool of IT customer service reps in New Delhi.

I rather liked that version better.

385 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:53:03pm

re: #381 Cato the Elder

My dog used to get wacky during thunderstorms.

Then he figured out that I Am God and now he doesn’t make a fuss.

When, oh when, will the rest of the world suss it out?

This hound I’ve got now, he, too, thinks I’m a god. Thing is, he’s always praying at me when i;m trying to catch some shuteye or sleep off a port binge.

386 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:53:09pm

re: #382 Guanxi88

Besides, we all know Cato’s really a room fool full of IT customer service reps in New Delhi. It’s how they pass the time between calls from baffled customers.

You had it right the first time.

387 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:54:12pm

re: #386 Cato the Elder

You had it right the first time.

By the many arms of Vishnu, you are most certainly a very gracious composite entity.

388 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:54:22pm

re: #382 Guanxi88

Now there’s an explanation that brings some light to the phenomenon of Cato.

389 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:55:03pm

My mother just posted on FB that if she’s snowbound for too long, she might have to do something radical like clean the oven or answer her email.

390 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:55:35pm

Speaking of irony, does this qualify?

On average, it cost $80,000 to rehabilitate a seal after the Exxon Valdez oil spill. At a triumphant and emotional ceremony, two of these costly animals were released into the water amid cheers and applause from onlookers. A minute later, in full view, they were both eaten by a killer whale.

391 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:55:45pm

re: #388 Silvergirl

Now there’s an explanation that brings some light to the phenomenon of Cato.

Hey, I’m a buncha child laborers in Tianjin. between shifts, they make us practice snark and condescension by posting here with my name. They know about India’s work with Cato, and they’re not about to fall behind.

392 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:56:02pm

re: #373 albusteve

not much of a fight, such an insignificant little point…why don’t you hang it up

So you’re saying there’s nothing important in that while I COULD difference between the fact that I could go streaking naked across campus and the fact that I DON’T WANT TO?

We’re not living in quantum physics land where “What isn’t forbidden is compulsory” if the Tea Party doubtlessly could put distance between itself from the birthers, the same way Obama could during his next speech start with “F*** you lazy ass union guys, you never worked a real day in your life” but somehow I don’t think he wants to.

What people want to do tends to drive their actions a lot more than what they can do.

393 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:57:12pm

re: #392 jamesfirecat

We’re not living in quantum physics land where “What isn’t forbidden is compulsory”

That’d be Singapore you’re thinking of.

394 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:57:13pm

re: #390 Silvergirl

That’s funny.
:evilgrin:

395 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:57:32pm

re: #390 Silvergirl

Speaking of irony, does this qualify?

On average, it cost $80,000 to rehabilitate a seal after the Exxon Valdez oil spill. At a triumphant and emotional ceremony, two of these costly animals were released into the water amid cheers and applause from onlookers. A minute later, in full view, they were both eaten by a killer whale.

I don’t think that is really irony, it’d be irony if they swam right into YET ANOTHER oil spill.

What happened to them was just darkly humerous/deeply tragic.

396 albusteve  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:57:43pm

re: #392 jamesfirecat

So you’re saying there’s nothing important in that while I COULD difference between the fact that I could go streaking naked across campus and the fact that I DON’T WANT TO?

We’re not living in quantum physics land where “What isn’t forbidden is compulsory” if the Tea Party doubtlessly could put distance between itself from the birthers, the same way Obama could during his next speech start with “F*** you lazy ass union guys, you never worked a real day in your life” but somehow I don’t think he wants to.

What people want to do tends to drive their actions a lot more than what they can do.

I see…redundancy is the new pink…carry on

397 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:57:50pm

re: #380 Guanxi88

Besides, we all know Cato’s really a room fool of IT customer service reps in New Delhi. It’s how they pass the time between calls from baffled customers.

How’s this for a mind bender. I once talked to a cust. serv. rep from Delhi, India who spoke better english than most folks in Delhi, California. (They pronounce it “Del-High” ‘round these parts).

398 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:58:03pm

re: #393 Guanxi88

That’d be Singapore you’re thinking of.

What?

399 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:58:36pm

re: #390 Silvergirl

Speaking of irony, does this qualify?

On average, it cost $80,000 to rehabilitate a seal ….

What were the seals in for? Grand Theft, Mackerel?

400 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:58:50pm

re: #398 HoosierHoops

What?

Where what’s not prohibited is compulsory. Take a look at their legal system and society. Spooky. A sorta kinda clean and well-tolerated totalitarianism.

401 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:58:52pm

re: #389 Cato the Elder

My mother just posted on FB that if she’s snowbound for too long, she might have to do something radical like clean the oven or answer her email.

During one of the meltdown threads yesterday, I left. I scrubbed the kitchen floor, cleaned the bathroom, and organized a bookshelf. I should excuse myself from those bloodbaths more often.

402 albusteve  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:59:40pm

re: #397 Slumbering Behemoth

How’s this for a mind bender. I once talked to a cust. serv. rep from Delhi, India who spoke better english than most folks in Delhi, California. (They pronounce it “Del-High” ‘round these parts).

those days are happily long behind me…now my tech just speaks geek jive

403 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:59:50pm

re: #397 Slumbering Behemoth

How’s this for a mind bender. I once talked to a cust. serv. rep from Delhi, India who spoke better english than most folks in Delhi, California. (They pronounce it “Del-High” ‘round these parts).

The best movie I have seen in 2 years is Slumdog millionaire

404 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:00:04pm

re: #402 albusteve

Your birthday today?

405 albusteve  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:01:00pm

re: #401 Silvergirl

During one of the meltdown threads yesterday, I left. I scrubbed the kitchen floor, cleaned the bathroom, and organized a bookshelf. I should excuse myself from those bloodbaths more often.

did someone’s ego get whacked?…they aren’t bloodbaths, more like a vanity makeover..no big deal

406 albusteve  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:02:32pm

re: #404 Stanley Sea

Your birthday today?

no, June 10th….but I’m getting set up now for a hurricane of cards, donations, and flattering posts, telling me what a kewl guy I am…I can handle it

407 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:02:38pm

re: #405 albusteve

did someone’s ego get whacked?…they aren’t bloodbaths, more like a vanity makeover..no big deal

Who you got for the SuperBowl Steve?

408 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:02:46pm

re: #401 Silvergirl

During one of the meltdown threads yesterday, I left. I scrubbed the kitchen floor, cleaned the bathroom, and organized a bookshelf. I should excuse myself from those bloodbaths more often.

There was a meltdown thread? Which?

409 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:02:47pm

re: #405 albusteve

did someone’s ego get whacked?…they aren’t bloodbaths, more like a vanity makeover..no big deal

Okay, I have indulged in hyperbole. Still, they’re not so much fun.

410 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:04:14pm

re: #408 Cato the Elder

There was a meltdown thread? Which?

Brookly and Ice. Which thread was that? I’ll have to look.

411 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:04:56pm

re: #406 albusteve

no, June 10th…but I’m getting set up now for a hurricane of cards, donations, and flattering posts, telling me what a kewl guy I am…I can handle it

I thought I read somewhere……oh well….enjoy the repercussions!

412 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:05:09pm

Anyone else got a sticky “new comments” button?

413 albusteve  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:06:32pm

re: #407 HoosierHoops

Who you got for the SuperBowl Steve?

I would take NO and 8-9 pts…I don’t know what the book is but I think people will be shocked even up…NO is not going to role over, and the Colt’s corners are average at best…Brees can pass in all kinds of awkward positions, chasing him is futile

414 Guanxi88  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:07:16pm

re: #409 Silvergirl

Okay, I have indulged in hyperbole. Still, they’re not so much fun.

I don’t know so much about that. Me, I’ve had to try to swear off getting into it with my fellow Lizards.

415 blueherron  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:07:45pm

re: #349 Cato the Elder

No, it seems to be over. And even my parents in the ‘burbs still have power. That could change at any moment, though.

Thing is this was actually a THUNDERSNOW. Woke up in the middle o’ the night to the sound of the gods playing ninepins while the flakes flew down. I don’t believe I’ve ever experienced that but once before in my old, old life.

I heard the thunder too. I really enjoyed last night and today in Baltimore— until someone stole my snow shovel. Fortunately, they shoveled themselves from the scene of the crime (my front stoop) to the middle of the street and took off. I’ll never get my car dug out. I’m trapped till Spring!!!!!

416 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:08:41pm

re: #385 Guanxi88

This hound I’ve got now, he, too, thinks I’m a god. Thing is, he’s always praying at me when i;m trying to catch some shuteye or sleep off a port binge.

Speaking of hounds: The 87-year-old lady who ran my two-week meditation retreat in the Mojave is originally from Germany. She’s been in the US since after the war (!!) but still thinks in German and it comes out in her speech. So every dog to her is a “hound” (= Gr. Hund). It’s extremely cute.

I was at a great advantage listening to her talks because I can automatically translate what she says in Deutschglish back into German and forward into English. Others were permanently puzzled, but they took it as superior wisdom.

LOL

417 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:08:49pm

This one, Cato.

418 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:08:57pm

re: #413 albusteve

I would take NO and 8-9 pts…I don’t know what the book is but I think people will be shocked even up…NO is not going to role over, and the Colt’s corners are average at best…Brees can pass in all kinds of awkward positions, chasing him is futile

38-27 Colts.
It’s going to be a heck of a game!.
.

419 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:09:42pm

re: #393 Guanxi88

That’d be Singapore you’re thinking of.

Warn Hoops, won’t you?

420 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:10:37pm

re: #410 Silvergirl

Brookly and Ice. Which thread was that? I’ll have to look.

Please. I’m snowbound.

421 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:11:12pm

re: #415 blueherron

Another Maryland lizard?

422 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:11:33pm

re: #415 blueherron

I heard the thunder too. I really enjoyed last night and today in Baltimore— until someone stole my snow shovel. Fortunately, they shoveled themselves from the scene of the crime (my front stoop) to the middle of the street and took off. I’ll never get my car dug out. I’m trapped till Spring!!!

Call me. I have extra shovels. And we could have a Hot Toddy!

My nick is blue.

423 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:12:26pm

re: #406 albusteve

no, June 10th…but I’m getting set up now for a hurricane of cards, donations, and flattering posts, telling me what a kewl guy I am…I can handle it

You’re a cranky old coot with a lead foot and a leather tongue.

^There’s your early birthday present.

424 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:12:32pm

re: #420 Cato the Elder

Please. I’m snowbound.

He plays the sympathy card. Snowbound!

I linked it above.

425 albusteve  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:12:43pm

re: #418 HoosierHoops

38-27 Colts.
It’s going to be a heck of a game!.
.

pretty easy prediction…just as likely a field goal will win it…jus sayin

426 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:12:52pm

re: #422 Cato the Elder

I’m serious. You, me, Mad Al-Jaffee and Avanti. Meetup!

427 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:13:24pm

re: #412 Decatur Deb

Yes

428 Jerk  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:13:31pm

re: #390 Silvergirl
I hate to do this…
snopes.com

429 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:13:49pm

Wait folks we have another winner on the game show “Buck defends crazy stuff!”

littlegreenfootballs.com


Post 149
“You don’t have to be a super villain to cheat.

ACORN, Soros and others figured out that they needed numbers… that the people who gave a shit and were able to register on their own were stupid (They voted for Bush right?). So they needed to spend a lot of money getting people who were smarter, but just couldn’t be bothered to register and vote without a lot of help. AND if they didn’t have ID, or anyway to prove they were qualified to vote, they just had to be helped along by voter registration fraud.

My opinion is that the Acorn isn’t smart enough to steal the election belongs with the Osama isn’t smart enough to pull off 9/11.”


Oh and same thread number

591

“Did I somehow get forwarded to dkos?”

I doubt it since there isn’t that much antisemitism going on here.

430 albusteve  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:13:56pm

there are no snow shovels at Ft Willow…ditto for ice scrapers

431 blueherron  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:14:12pm

re: #426 Cato the Elder

I’m in. Where?

432 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:14:19pm

re: #426 Cato the Elder

I’m serious. You, me, Mad Al-Jaffee and Avanti. Meetup!

Not tonight, unless someone else is driving. And nobody’s driving through the massive snow in my neighborhood.

433 albusteve  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:14:34pm

re: #423 Slumbering Behemoth

You’re a cranky old coot with a lead foot and a leather tongue.

^There’s your early birthday present.

thanks?

434 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:15:05pm

re: #427 Rightwingconspirator

Yes

Thanks, saved a reboot.

435 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:15:41pm

re: #431 blueherron

I’m in. Where?

You know the One World Cafe?

Actually, I don’t know if they wimped today. Donna’s in Chas. Village (name for Charles, of course) is open.

436 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:16:03pm

re: #429 jamesfirecat

Why do people ask for it when they know they never should’ve?
:)

437 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:16:05pm

re: #428 Jerk

I stumbled on this Snopes thing just recently. Had me cracking up.

438 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:16:41pm

re: #432 Mad Al-Jaffee

Not tonight, unless someone else is driving. And nobody’s driving through the massive snow in my neighborhood.

Well, send me an email so we can be in touch once the “snow emergency” (which wouldn’t even close schools in Michigan or Massachusetts) has passed.

439 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:17:06pm

re: #420 Cato the Elder

Please. I’m snowbound.

My last Super Bowl in the States for 3 years…And It’s the Colts playing.. It doesn’t get any better..Who could have called it? Hey Hoosierhoops the Colts are going to the Superbowl then they ship you out? Sweet!
I am honored to have been here..Go Colts!

440 blueherron  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:17:10pm

re: #432 Mad Al-Jaffee

Not tonight, unless someone else is driving. And nobody’s driving through the massive snow in my neighborhood.

I don’t think he means tonight. Maybe end of the month when the snows are supposed to be over. Since I don’t have a job, my schedule is, shall we say, open. I’m not losing my parking spot for at least a week.

441 Silvergirl  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:17:58pm

re: #428 Jerk

I hate to do this…
[Link: www.snopes.com…]

Oh, so sad to lose that funny story, but yay for the seals who weren’t munched down. I read that snippet in a book called Zobmondo. Liars, pants on fire!

442 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:18:16pm

re: #437 Slumbering Behemoth

I stumbled on this Snopes thing just recently. Had me cracking up.

Jesus.

443 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:18:27pm

re: #433 albusteve

You’re welcome. And yeah, it’s a compliment.

I could have called you a smooth old dog, a tenderfoot with a silver tongue. Not a compliment, and also not true in your case.

444 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:18:39pm

re: #440 blueherron

I don’t think he means tonight. Maybe end of the month when the snows are supposed to be over. Since I don’t have a job, my schedule is, shall we say, open. I’m not losing my parking spot for at least a week.

You should both come see me on Feb. 27 when my band is opening for the Holmes Brothers in Rosedale. See mojoworkin.com for more details.

445 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:18:58pm

re: #439 HoosierHoops

My last Super Bowl in the States for 3 years…And It’s the Colts playing.. It doesn’t get any better..Who could have called it? Hey Hoosierhoops the Colts are going to the Superbowl then they ship you out? Sweet!
I am honored to have been here..Go Colts!

I’m going to give you a pass on the Colts thing even though I’m from Baltimore. I like you that much.

446 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:19:33pm

re: #438 Cato the Elder

Your profile isn’t blue.

447 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:19:42pm

re: #355 jamesfirecat

Since you asked for it

In Regard to Glenn Beck’s
“The Revolutionary Holocaust: Live Free…or Die.”

That wasn’t crazyness. Are saying that anyone who doesn’t agree that the Right = Hitler is crazy? It wasn’t Birther/Bircher or creationist.

I liked the show, and did not find it to be crazy.

re: #361 Cato the Elder

Except they’re not. Or am I missing something?

You missed my #208?

448 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:20:02pm

Here’s another good one!

From
littlegreenfootballs.com

#17

“I’m confused, Obama is NOT leading an extreme left-wing crusade to bankrupt America?

“Card Check” and the “Free Health care for everyone” just might be two examples of left wing crusades. Both could in fact bankrupt America, much like left wing policies are leading some States (Calif) into bankruptcy.”

Yes Buck, because there’s no other nation on earth that has been able to give its citizens the option of government regulated healthcare without going broke!

449 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:20:25pm

re: #446 Mad Al-Jaffee

Your profile isn’t blue.

Sorry. If you switch threads it switches back to default.

It is now.

450 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:21:44pm

re: #447 Buck

You missed my #208?

You can say that Right does not equal Hitler, but you can’t argue that Hitler was not a creature of the Right wing the same way Stalin was one of the left.

451 blueherron  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:22:17pm

re: #438 Cato the Elder

Well, send me an email so we can be in touch once the “snow emergency” (which wouldn’t even close schools in Michigan or Massachusetts) has passed.

I know. I grew up in Cleveland. ..Although this was a lot of snow. But I’ve been in the area for 20 years and fear I may be a Baltimoron. All I know is I found myself at Superfresh on Boston at 6am Friday morning. And I didn’t need any milk or toilet paper. I just felt drawn.

452 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:22:33pm

re: #450 jamesfirecat

You can say that Right does not equal Hitler, but you can’t argue that Hitler was not a creature of the Right wing the same way Stalin was one of the left.

Watch him.

453 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:22:58pm

re: #429 jamesfirecat

Wait folks we have another winner on the game show “Buck defends crazy stuff!”

Your just disagreeing with me. None of that is birther/bircher or creationist.

Am I not allowed an opinion? You can disagree, but what I said was not crazy…

454 albusteve  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:23:34pm

massive snow?…I snow some snow on the higher peaks the last few days down in southern NM…it was way far away tho….bwahahaha!

455 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:23:53pm

re: #453 Buck

Your just disagreeing with me. None of that is birther/bircher or creationist.

Am I not allowed an opinion? You can disagree, but what I said was not crazy…

And I’m trying to disprove that theory.

I’m not arguing that your birther/bircher or creationist crazy, but there are plenty of other kinds of crazy out there.

456 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:24:15pm

re: #454 albusteve

massive snow?…I snow some snow on the higher peaks the last few days down in southern NM…it was way far away tho…bwahahaha!

*Throws a shovel load of snow at albusteve*
:)

457 albusteve  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:25:25pm

re: #456 Varek Raith

*Throws a shovel load of snow at albusteve*
:)

snow is for skiing on…otherwise the stuff is useless….why hang around with snow?

458 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:26:05pm

re: #450 jamesfirecat

You can say that Right does not equal Hitler, but you can’t argue that Hitler was not a creature of the Right wing the same way Stalin was one of the left.

Well, I say that “the Hitler and his policies represented the right” is debatable.

That was the point of the show. I saw the show, and I liked it. No birther/no bircher/ no creationist/ no anti AGW.

It isn’t crazy.

459 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:26:39pm

re: #455 jamesfirecat

And I’m trying to disprove that theory.

I’m not arguing that your birther/bircher or creationist crazy, but there are plenty of other kinds of crazy out there.

What was crazy about the show? Did you see it?

460 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:27:22pm

re: #445 Cato the Elder

I’m going to give you a pass on the Colts thing even though I’m from Baltimore. I like you that much.

You know Cato..We have had our issues…But you are good people..
You have my respect..and that’s my highest honor I can give..
Someday we will have that dinner..And yes I am footing the bill…
Kind regards

461 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:29:28pm

re: #449 Cato the Elder

Sorry. If you switch threads it switches back to default.

It is now.

Check your email.

462 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:29:54pm

re: #448 jamesfirecat

Here’s another good one!

From
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

#17

“I’m confused, Obama is NOT leading an extreme left-wing crusade to bankrupt America?

“Card Check” and the “Free Health care for everyone” just might be two examples of left wing crusades. Both could in fact bankrupt America, much like left wing policies are leading some States (Calif) into bankruptcy.”

Yes Buck, because there’s no other nation on earth that has been able to give its citizens the option of government regulated healthcare without going broke!

Again opinion. There are plenty of people who are against socialized healthcare. I happen to live in a place that has it, and see first hand what it can cause. I can debate that with you, but it isn’t crazy.

463 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:31:48pm

jamesfirecat, you can just place everything that we disagree on and call it crazy.

How fair is that?

My side is always crazy in your opinion.

464 keloyd  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:32:04pm

re: #450 jamesfirecat

You can say that Right does not equal Hitler, but you can’t argue that Hitler was not a creature of the Right wing the same way Stalin was one of the left.

I cannot speak to whether Buck can do that or not. However, the facts remain that Hitler courted left and right wing elements. He defied categorization during his rise to power. His rhetoric was more focus-grouped than anyone ever, including Bill Clinton. On one day, he told farmers he could get them better (higher) prices for their food. The next day, he told the townies he could get them better (lower) prices for their food. He cozied up to big business oligarchs who feared the communists, the he cozied up to trade union big shots who feared the oligarchs, and the communists.

Even his party’s full name had a balance of left and right buzzwords:
The German workers’ Nationalist Socialist party
……..(right)…..(left)……(right)……..(left)

I know “national” rather than “nationalist” is the usual translation, but the way they used the word, “nationalist” is a better fit.

465 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:33:59pm

Oh, goody. A Nazis weren’t a right wing party argument…
Damn you, Jonah Goldberg…:/

466 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:35:40pm

re: #464 keloyd

I cannot speak to whether Buck can do that or not. However, the facts remain that Hitler courted left and right wing elements. He defied categorization during his rise to power. His rhetoric was more focus-grouped than anyone ever, including Bill Clinton. On one day, he told farmers he could get them better (higher) prices for their food. The next day, he told the townies he could get them better (lower) prices for their food. He cozied up to big business oligarchs who feared the communists, the he cozied up to trade union big shots who feared the oligarchs, and the communists.

Even his party’s full name had a balance of left and right buzzwords:
The German workers’ Nationalist Socialist party
…(right)…(left)…(right)…(left)

I know “national” rather than “nationalist” is the usual translation, but the way they used the word, “nationalist” is a better fit.

Hitler was militaristic, he was sexist, and he was homophobic.

In what ways was he a leftist?

467 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:35:59pm

re: #455 jamesfirecat

And I’m trying to disprove that theory.

I’m not arguing that your birther/bircher or creationist crazy, but there are plenty of other kinds of crazy out there.

Fine I THINK making a hero out of Che is crazy. AND THAT YOU ARE CRAZY to say he is a hero.

That was what the show was about… you must be defending the Che was great crowd.

468 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:37:26pm

re: #467 Buck

Fine I THINK making a hero out of Che is crazy. AND THAT YOU ARE CRAZY to say he is a hero.

That was what the show was about… you must be defending the Che was great crowd.

I haven’t seen the show, but I’ve seen write ups of it, since you’ve seen it you can answer this for me, did Glenn Beck mention Hitler and if so what political party did he say Hitler was most like?

469 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:37:50pm

re: #466 jamesfirecat

Hitler was militaristic, he was sexist, and he was homophobic.

In what ways was he a leftist?

Very nice …. so your opinion is that the right is defined as “militaristic, sexist, and homophobic.”?

AND if you had watched the show, you would have seen and heard the answer to your question. beck didn’t just say, it presented an argument.

470 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:38:32pm

re: #418 HoosierHoops

38-27 Colts.
It’s going to be a heck of a game!.
.

Much as I’d prefer otherwise, 45-21 Colts. It’s going to be as bad as SF vs. Denver…

William

471 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:39:06pm

re: #469 Buck

Very nice … so your opinion is that the right is defined as “militaristic, sexist, and homophobic.”?

AND if you had watched the show, you would have seen and heard the answer to your question. beck didn’t just say, it presented an argument.

Then tell it to me, the point of being poliete when we argue here in LFG is that we should provide proof of our positions rather than insist the other side “go fish” that’s why I’m taking the time to dig up your comments.

472 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:41:43pm

re: #471 jamesfirecat

Heh, I just noticed your avatar, Red XIII!
:)

473 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:42:09pm

re: #472 Varek Raith

Heh, I just noticed your avatar, Red XIII!
:)

I prefer Nanaki but yes.

474 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:43:13pm

re: #469 Buck

Very nice … so your opinion is that the right is defined as “militaristic, sexist, and homophobic.”?

AND if you had watched the show, you would have seen and heard the answer to your question. beck didn’t just say, it presented an argument.

I’m not saying those are the traits that define the right, but they are at the moment without a doubt traits “of the right’ are you going to tell me that the right isn’t more militaristic, sexist, or homophobic than the left as things currently stand?

475 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:44:32pm

re: #471 jamesfirecat

Then tell it to me, the point of being poliete when we argue here in LFG is that we should provide proof of our positions rather than insist the other side “go fish” that’s why I’m taking the time to dig up your comments.

I can’t present the entire argument here. BUT my real point is that YOU paint me as defending crazy when you don’t even know what I am defending. My point is that you just paint all conservatives as crazy birthers/birchers/ creationists and more recently militaristic homophobic sexists.

476 keloyd  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:45:48pm

There are old proverbs from time immemorial (at least 1995) that warn us about arguing over Hitler on the internet.

Still, the Nazi party, during its rise to power, was in the mode of “say pretty much anything that gets us what we want” - taking on left and right wing traits. The fascism in the rest of Europe is maybe not apples and oranges, but at least tangerines and oranges to the Anglo-American notions of left and right. Any attempt to use left/right terminology just stretches the definitions until they’re of no use, imho.

Grabbing control of the state through violence and subterfuge is regularly used by the Left in many places, and by the Right in some other places.

I would say their cavalier attitude toward free market capitalism and property rights correlates with many countries’ experience with their “left” wing.

Antisemitism has been embraced and fought by left and right wing factions in the US.

In other news, Hitler had a nephew who moved to the US, changed his name, but later gave his son the middle name “Adolf”. The grand nephew is a baby boomer now.

477 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:46:16pm

re: #474 jamesfirecat

I’m not saying those are the traits that define the right, but they are at the moment without a doubt traits “of the right’ are you going to tell me that the right isn’t more militaristic, sexist, or homophobic than the left as things currently stand?

OK, would Mao/Che/Castro brothers / Stalin / Chavez be Right or Left according to the militaristic, sexist, or homophobic scale?

478 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:46:57pm

re: #475 Buck

I can’t present the entire argument here. BUT my real point is that YOU paint me as defending crazy when you don’t even know what I am defending. My point is that you just paint all conservatives as crazy birthers/birchers/ creationists and more recently militaristic homophobic sexists.

Once again “not all” but I paint them as a group being more in posession of those qualities than as a group liberals are.

I tried to paint you as crazy using your own words how does this equate with me trying to paint an entire group as crazy?

479 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:49:09pm

re: #478 jamesfirecat

Once again “not all” but I paint them as a group being more in posession of those qualities than as a group liberals are.

I tried to paint you as crazy using your own words how does this equate with me trying to paint an entire group as crazy?

Nothing I said, and you posted would be as far as I am concerned crazy.

480 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:50:20pm

re: #476 keloyd

There are old proverbs from time immemorial (at least 1995) that warn us about arguing over Hitler on the internet.

Still, the Nazi party, during its rise to power, was in the mode of “say pretty much anything that gets us what we want” - taking on left and right wing traits. The fascism in the rest of Europe is maybe not apples and oranges, but at least tangerines and oranges to the Anglo-American notions of left and right. Any attempt to use left/right terminology just stretches the definitions until they’re of no use, imho.

Grabbing control of the state through violence and subterfuge is regularly used by the Left in many places, and by the Right in some other places.

I would say their cavalier attitude toward free market capitalism and property rights correlates with many countries’ experience with their “left” wing.

Antisemitism has been embraced and fought by left and right wing factions in the US.

In other news, Hitler had a nephew who moved to the US, changed his name, but later gave his son the middle name “Adolf”. The grand nephew is a baby boomer now.

I believe that we should argue based on how they acted in power not what they did to get it, so that scratches off the first half or so of your argument.

As for “I would say their cavalier attitude toward free market capitalism and property rights correlates with many countries’ experience with their “left” wing.”

I believe that every person who has complete control of the state tends to act this way and its not a trait of the left or the right, or are you going to argue that all those Strong Men in Africa and South America were leftist as well?


“Antisemitism has been embraced and fought by left and right wing factions in the US.”


You used a lot of words to just go and prove nothing at all since its left and right.

“In other news, Hitler had a nephew who moved to the US, changed his name, but later gave his son the middle name “Adolf”. The grand nephew is a baby boomer now.”

And this is suppose to prove?

Come on show me some actions Hitler took while in power which were leftist!

481 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:51:30pm

re: #479 Buck

Nothing I said, and you posted would be as far as I am concerned crazy.

“and you posted would be as far as I am concerned crazy.”

Huh? Could you say that again?

482 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:51:47pm

re: #466 jamesfirecat

Hitler was militaristic, he was sexist, and he was homophobic.

In what ways was he a leftist?

National Socialist Party

Otherwise, he was just a guy who loved his country (National) and like to have a good time (Party).

Come on, keep up.

483 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:53:34pm

re: #482 Jeff In Ohio

National Socialist Party

Otherwise, he was just a guy who loved his country (National) and like to have a good time (Party).

Come on, keep up.

It’s like saying how I’m really a communist because I’m a member of the Republican party and there’s a People’s Republic of China!

484 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:53:36pm

re: #474 jamesfirecat

I’m not saying those are the traits that define the right, but they are at the moment without a doubt traits “of the right’ are you going to tell me that the right isn’t more militaristic, sexist, or homophobic than the left as things currently stand?

BTW I am extremely offended by that comment. I certainly do NOT think the right is more “militaristic, sexist, or homophobic” than the left. I don’t know what you mean by “things currently stand”… but I am pretty sure I am offended by that as well.

Answer my #477?

485 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:54:03pm

re: #483 jamesfirecat

It’s like saying how I’m really a communist because I’m a member of the Republican party and there’s a People’s Republic of China!

Jeff was kidding..


My #477?

486 William of Orange  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:54:57pm

Now, if only Perez Hilton was around to report on this bitchfight between these prima donnas…. (I LOL’d at the thought of it.) ;-)

487 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:55:07pm

re: #480 jamesfirecat


Come on show me some actions Hitler took while in power which were leftist!

My #477?

488 idioma  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:56:02pm

re: #296 HoosierHoops

Did you ever play sports?

I was in a youth soccer league that went all the way to the state championship.

489 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:58:56pm

re: #477 Buck

OK, would Mao/Che/Castro brothers / Stalin / Chavez be Right or Left according to the militaristic, sexist, or homophobic scale?

They’d be left because they ruled from a strictly communist point of view trying to set up socalist nations.

“militaristic, sexist, or homophobic ” are three qualities of the right wing, but they are not the be all and end all of the right wing. They’re useful “tie breakers” like in Hitler’s case.

490 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:59:39pm

re: #484 Buck

BTW I am extremely offended by that comment. I certainly do NOT think the right is more “militaristic, sexist, or homophobic” than the left. I don’t know what you mean by “things currently stand”… but I am pretty sure I am offended by that as well.

Answer my #477?

Serrriously?

You’re going to argue that the right wing isn’t more “militaristic” then the left?

You honestly believe that?

Why?

491 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:04:33pm

re: #484 Buck

The ‘right-wing’ in its modern incarnation is certainly, definitely more homophobic than the ‘left’. I’m unsure how you can even argue that.

492 keloyd  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:06:06pm

The pre-collapse Soviet countries were more left and more militaristic than any others. Homosexuality was punishable by prison in the Soviet union and Cuba (ah, Cuba until the 80s, says Wiki).

As for sexism, women in Red China or the Soviet empire were more equal in their education and careers, but also got raped a lot more in the gulags.

Militarism and homophobia (outside the United States) do not correlate much at all with left/right ideology.

493 keloyd  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:08:01pm

A strand of errors above are due to applying US political labels in places they don’t fit. Certain people I won’t name might as well be arguing whether Hitler was a Whig or an anti-federalist.

494 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:08:50pm

OK Everyone -

President Obama IS an American Citizen, insofar as it seems that everyone agrees that his Mother IS His Mother. Essentially, Case Closed, by Halacha (Jewish Law) - if nothing else. SHE was not a Cat a Dog or even a LIZARD. The President’s Mother, at the time of his Birth, was an American Citizen, by birth. That is good enough for me.
“Birtherism” is a waste of time. I consider myself to be in “The Opposition” to most of President Obama’s policies. ASSUMING - a pretty good assumption, so far, that the 2010 Elections will be as fair as the 2008 Elections - President Obama will be checkmated - as WAS President Clinton in 1994. President Obama, thereafter, will have the SAME Options:

1. Go With the Flow - More or Less the “Path Taken” by President Clinton.

2. Go Against the Flow - Become President Carter II - Disclaimer - I WAS a Carter Guy, as was Pat Caddell, my once removed “boss” back in 1976.

The “Path Taken” by President Obama will determine whether he serves 4 Years or 8 Years as President of the US.

That is enough - Discussion?

-S-

495 idioma  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:09:58pm

re: #492 keloyd

The pre-collapse Soviet countries were more left and more militaristic than any others. Homosexuality was punishable by prison in the Soviet union and Cuba (ah, Cuba until the 80s, says Wiki).

As for sexism, women in Red China or the Soviet empire were more equal in their education and careers, but also got raped a lot more in the gulags.

Militarism and homophobia (outside the United States) do not correlate much at all with left/right ideology.

The soviets were not liberal, so what do you consider to be leftist?

496 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:10:07pm

re: #492 keloyd

The pre-collapse Soviet countries were more left and more militaristic than any others. Homosexuality was punishable by prison in the Soviet union and Cuba (ah, Cuba until the 80s, says Wiki).

As for sexism, women in Red China or the Soviet empire were more equal in their education and careers, but also got raped a lot more in the gulags.

Militarism and homophobia (outside the United States) do not correlate much at all with left/right ideology.

I would like to pick a bone with your last statement.

The United States is the last major bastion of Homophobia in the civilized world. So saying “well the conservatives in the UK, Canada, Spain and so on and so for aren’t gay bashers” doesn’t hold water for me.

Next are you going to argue with me that women getting rapped in secret prisons is something that doesn’t happen across the political divide?

497 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:10:26pm

re: #492 keloyd

Jesus christ.

The ‘left/right’ scale doesn’t really apply to totalitarian dictatorships. It’s idiotic to argue over it. Hitler came to power through the ‘lright’ wing, Stalin came to power through the ‘left’. Whether or not there’s any reality to that depends on whether you think that either of them actually believed in what they stated to be their ideals. Stalin was a complete hypocrite according to any philosophically sound version of communism, but Hitler really was the ideal Nazi.

Militarism and homophobia (outside the United States) do not correlate much at all with left/right ideology.

Militarism is a weird term that is close to meaningless. However, if you examine the right wing in Europe, you’ll find that that it subscribes to the same types of reactionary homophobia as the left wing does.

498 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:11:54pm

re: #496 jamesfirecat

It’s also just untrue. The ‘right’ in Europe has the same rampant homophobes as in the US— only less Evangelical, and more Fascist/Nationalist.

499 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:16:31pm

re: #498 Obdicut

It’s also just untrue. The ‘right’ in Europe has the same rampant homophobes as in the US— only less Evangelical, and more Fascist/Nationalist.

Oh sorry my bad, I was just making guesses based on the fact that a lot of Europe by and large had managed to settle the Gay Marriage issue, thank you for correcting me.

500 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:17:24pm

re: #489 jamesfirecat

They’d be left because they ruled from a strictly communist point of view trying to set up socalist nations.

“militaristic, sexist, or homophobic ” are three qualities of the right wing, but they are not the be all and end all of the right wing. They’re useful “tie breakers” like in Hitler’s case.

That was the point of the show.

The show argued that Hitler acted more like Mao/Che/Castro brothers / Stalin / Chavez (all leftists) than he did anyone on the right.

Crazy? I don’t think so.


I am still really offended that you said the right is “militaristic, sexist, or homophobic “.

Yes When the left wages war, acts in a homophobic way, or is sexist you excuse it, cause their heart is in the left place.

I could argue that Clinton was militaristic, sexist, and homophobic.

I could argue that there were more same sex marriages during Bush, and more access to abortion (measured by the number of yellow page ads for abortion clinics). Clinton created the DODT and Defense of marriage. Homophobic acts.

Militaristic? Well Clinton use the military in ways Bush would not have…Remember “Wag the Dog”? That was about Clinton.

501 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:18:12pm

re: #497 Obdicut

Jesus christ.

The ‘left/right’ scale doesn’t really apply to totalitarian dictatorships.

That is what the point of the show was.

502 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:20:37pm

re: #497 Obdicut

Obdicut -

“Recuerde” One Thing - The NSDAP - was an acronym for - The NATIONAL SOCIALIST DEUTCH (German) ARBIETER’S (Worker’s) PARTEI (Party). Everything else flows from that.
Essentially - all ‘y’all got the program - Totalitarianism is Totalitarianism - whether the “shirt” worn is Red, Brown, Silver, Black - or any Other Color.
Thank You.

-S-

503 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:21:40pm

re: #494 Dr. Shalit

OK Everyone -

President Obama IS an American Citizen, insofar as it seems that everyone agrees that his Mother IS His Mother.

-S-

Yes he is, but to be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born citizen. And he was that also…

504 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:21:49pm

re: #500 Buck

That was the point of the show.

The show argued that Hitler acted more like Mao/Che/Castro brothers / Stalin / Chavez (all leftists) than he did anyone on the right.

Crazy? I don’t think so.

I am still really offended that you said the right is “militaristic, sexist, or homophobic “.

Yes When the left wages war, acts in a homophobic way, or is sexist you excuse it, cause their heart is in the left place.

I could argue that Clinton was militaristic, sexist, and homophobic.

I could argue that there were more same sex marriages during Bush, and more access to abortion (measured by the number of yellow page ads for abortion clinics). Clinton created the DODT and Defense of marriage. Homophobic acts.

Militaristic? Well Clinton use the military in ways Bush would not have…Remember “Wag the Dog”? That was about Clinton.

When you say “DODT” do you mean “DADT”? If not what does “DODT” stand for?

505 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:23:11pm

re: #504 jamesfirecat

When you say “DODT” do you mean “DADT”? If not what does “DODT” stand for?

Right DADT. My slip.

I also didn’t define how he was sexist. Maybe that is obvious?

506 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:25:19pm

re: #501 Buck

No, it’s not, Buck. You really ought to learn when to stop digging. You also can’t say that the left/right axis not applying was the point of the show, and then say that they acting like leftists. It’s self-contradictory in a very obvious way.

The show argued that Hitler acted more like Mao/Che/Castro brothers / Stalin / Chavez (all leftists) than he did anyone on the right.

Crazy? I don’t think so.


We know you don’t think so. You’re really wrong. Hitler was reactionary, nationalistic along race-purity lines, and was in favor of extra-judicial quasi-police that, among other things, had a mandate against Bolsheviks, Marxists, and other left-wing types. Once in power, he moved to create an oligarchy based on a class system with the Nazi party members at the top in direct relationship to the ferventess of their fascist ideology.

Yes When the left wages war, acts in a homophobic way, or is sexist you excuse it, cause their heart is in the left place.

No, I don’t excuse it, and making blanket statements like that about those you’re talking to is fucking moronic. I’ve spoken out many times against the Democrats ‘don’t give a shit’ attitude towards gays.

I could argue that there were more same sex marriages during Bush, and more access to abortion (measured by the number of yellow page ads for abortion clinics). Clinton created the DODT and Defense of marriage. Homophobic acts.

Are you joking? Are you seriously blaming the creation of DODT and DOMA on Clinton?

Can you please name the sponsors of DOMA?

507 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:25:28pm

re: #257 jamesfirecat

Ha! Good times.

508 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:26:11pm

re: #502 Dr. Shalit

No, Dr. Everything does not flow from the name. North Korea isn’t really a Democratic Republic.

509 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:26:55pm

re: #505 Buck

Right DADT. My slip.

I also didn’t define how he was sexist. Maybe that is obvious?

I take issue with saying that DADT was a homophobic bill.

The previous position of the army was “No homos at all, no ifs and or butts, and especially no buttsex” DADT managed to open the door a crack.

Was it perfect. No of course not, but it was a step forward.

510 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:30:45pm

re: #503 Buck

Buck -

Bottom Line - You are looking for Grounds for Impeachment. From the time of 1974, when I first “MET” Hillary Rodham - Not Yet Clinton - until today - I have found that Impeachment is a process that CAN take a LONG TIME.
Elections “Happen” every Two (2) Years - and - from MY Experience - effect politics Much More, so long as elections ARE along the lines that we recognize.
Bottom LINING IT - I wish President Obama an EARLY RETIREMENT. He surely has EARNED IT!

-S-

511 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:33:15pm

re: #506 Obdicut


Are you joking? Are you seriously blaming the creation of DODT and DOMA on Clinton?

Can you please name the sponsors of DOMA?

Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act into law during his re-election campaign in 1996 and opposed same-sex marriage. As does Obama.

My point is to show jamesfirecat that the right cannot be defined by homophobia. The “recent” left shows signs of homophobia.

Anyway I think I made my real point, and that defending that Glen Beck show was not crazy.

512 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:34:17pm

re: #510 Dr. Shalit

Buck -

I am not looking for Grounds for Impeachment.
-S-

513 prairiefire  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:35:08pm

re: #495 idioma

Is your avatar picture Jonestown?

514 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:36:04pm

re: #511 Buck

Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act into law during his re-election campaign in 1996 and opposed same-sex marriage. As does Obama.

My point is to show jamesfirecat that the right cannot be defined by homophobia. The “recent” left shows signs of homophobia.

Anyway I think I made my real point, and that defending that Glen Beck show was not crazy.

The left may not all approve of gay marriage, but have you noticed how it tends to always be the people on the right who don’t of gays or gay acts. Remember that guy we had the video of who say that being gay should be punishable by law?

515 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:38:39pm

re: #511 Buck

Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act into law during his re-election campaign in 1996 and opposed same-sex marriage. As does Obama.

Dude, that does not create an equivalency. I have no idea why in your head you think that it does. The bill was proposed by the right wing and supported by every member of the right wing. The only ones to oppose it were on the left, with an incredibly small number of exceptions.

Yes, the Democrats have plenty of people who suck on gay rights. As I fucking already said above. But it has no-one who sucks as much as the worst of the GOP, and the average Democrat is far better on gay rights than GOP members. This is reality. Arguing against it doesn’t change it.

The virulent, hateful politics against gays— like Proposition 8— come from the right-wing.

My point is to show jamesfirecat that the right cannot be defined by homophobia. The “recent” left shows signs of homophobia.

Comparatively, the left is not homophobic. The right-wing is miles worse on gay rights. You appear to be unable to make comparisons.

Anyway I think I made my real point, and that defending that Glen Beck show was not crazy.

You made your real point, which is that you’ll ignore reality to defend Glen Beck. Have fun with that— sounds like the ticket to success.

516 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:41:27pm

re: #509 jamesfirecat

I take issue with saying that DADT was a homophobic bill.

The previous position of the army was “No homos at all, no ifs and or butts, and especially no buttsex” DADT managed to open the door a crack.

Was it perfect. No of course not, but it was a step forward.

OK take issue…. fine.

It is a policy stopping openly gay, lesbian, and bisexual individuals from serving in the United States military, as mandated by federal law Pub.L. 103-160 (10 U.S.C. § 654). Unless one of the exceptions from 10 U.S.C. § 654(b) applies, the policy prohibits anyone who “demonstrate(s) a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts” from serving in the armed forces of the United States.

Based on that, seems pretty homophobic to me. If I were an openly gay, lesbian, and bisexual individual who wanted to serve his country…. I would feel discriminated against. AND CLINTON (the Left) did it.

517 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:44:21pm

re: #516 Buck

AND CLINTON (the Left) did it

How do you explain that every single GOP member in the Senate voted for it, and only a single GOP member in the House didn’t vote for it? How do you explain the sponsors being GOP? How do you explain every senator voting against it being a Democrat?

518 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:46:42pm

re: #516 Buck

OK take issue… fine.

It is a policy stopping openly gay, lesbian, and bisexual individuals from serving in the United States military, as mandated by federal law Pub.L. 103-160 (10 U.S.C. § 654). Unless one of the exceptions from 10 U.S.C. § 654(b) applies, the policy prohibits anyone who “demonstrate(s) a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts” from serving in the armed forces of the United States.

Based on that, seems pretty homophobic to me. If I were an openly gay, lesbian, and bisexual individual who wanted to serve his country… I would feel discriminated against. AND CLINTON (the Left) did it.

Tell you what, would you say that if you were a slave but you were freed from slavery to face Jim Crow, that the people who freed you from slavery were racists?

Same situation. It’s a step forward.

Also show me your proof of homophobia among the current left and I’ll show you mine among the current right, want to see who has more and more virulent examples?

Here’s my opening salvo…

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

I await your counter argument.

519 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:46:58pm

re: #516 Buck

Oh hey, look, it’s a bill to repeal DOMA, introduced by Democrats, with all Democrat sponsors. Another sign of the how they’re just as homophobic as the right!

politico.com

520 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:52:08pm

re: #500 Buck

That was the point of the show.

The show argued that Hitler acted more like Mao/Che/Castro brothers / Stalin / Chavez (all leftists) than he did anyone on the right.

Crazy? I don’t think so.

Yeah, crazy. Fascism and national socialism are far right, private ownership based corporatism ideologies, having nothing to do with traditional left wing socialism AT ALL. The only thing Hiter and Mousolini have in common with Mao / Che etc. is that they are all totalitarians.

I am still really offended that you said the right is “militaristic, sexist, or homophobic “.

So what, be offended because they are.

Yes When the left wages war, acts in a homophobic way, or is sexist you excuse it, cause their heart is in the left place.

The modern american left does not behave this way or hold these views, the modern american right does. Deal with it.

I could argue that Clinton was militaristic, sexist, and homophobic.

Sure, however you could NOT argue that his contemporary republican opposition was LESS militaristic, sexist or homophobic.

I could argue that there were more same sex marriages during Bush, and more access to abortion (measured by the number of yellow page ads for abortion clinics).

Which Bush had nothing to do with and actively opposed, making your “point” nothing but dipshit manipulation.

Clinton created the DODT and Defense of marriage. Homophobic acts.

He signed them into law, homophobic contract with america conservatives and go along to get along centrist legislators created them. He was never more homophobic than the republicans he was working with, but sadly he did cater to their prejudices. Stop manipulating objective truth to sell your distorted version of history.

Militaristic? Well Clinton use the military in ways Bush would not have…Remember “Wag the Dog”? That was about Clinton.

No, that was about a unique VX nerve gas precursor discovered by the CIA. Leave it to a right wing apologist to argue that Clinton attempting retaliation against Bin Laden was wrong.

My point is to show jamesfirecat that the right cannot be defined by homophobia. The “recent” left shows signs of homophobia.

Right, so because Obama and modern democrats take the gay vote for granted and do little for them, the american right cannot be criticized for going to Uganda and trying to get gays killed. You’ve got a serious false equivalence problem.

521 Lidane  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:53:19pm

More fail from the Teabaggers:

politico.com

That’s why the Tea Party Express, the group behind the Nevada and Boston rallies, has been courting Palin for months to appear at one of its rallies, said Mark Williams, an official with the group.

“I see her as possibly becoming the media face of the movement, kind of like Al Sharpton is the official black guy,” he said. “This movement defies anybody who wants to be a leader of the movement, as such. So, I don’t see her or anybody else becoming the real leader.”

1. There’s an official black guy? Who knew?

2. If there *is* such a thing as an official black guy, wouldn’t Al Sharpton be old-meme, since we’ve got a black President in this country, or am I just trying to apply logic to Teabagger wingnuttery?

522 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:59:39pm

re: #521 Lidane

I’m fairly sure Chris Rock is still holding onto the ‘official black guy’ award and cracking anyone’s skull who gets near it.

523 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:03:09pm

re: #512 Buck

Buck -

Thank You. Beyond that, SO FAR, there are NONE. Only Political Disagreements - AND - I am a BIG Disagree-Er - and VERY SORRY that Such has to be so. I recognized SENATORIAL CANDIDATE OBAMA, (D) IL, back in 2004 as a “Comer.”
Thought he would be the next VPOTUS - Democrat.
President Obama was “Promoted” before his time, to my mind. The only question is, can he mature, as did JFK and Clinton - or keep Screwing Up in the mind of the American Electorate as DID President Carter - Who Screwed Up more in the Mind than in Actuality - The “Reagan Military Buildup” - started under Pres. Carter - as DID the New Deal start - Under President Hoover.
That is all. - Discussion?

-S-

524 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:04:10pm

re: #517 Obdicut

How do you explain that every single GOP member in the Senate voted for it, and only a single GOP member in the House didn’t vote for it? How do you explain the sponsors being GOP? How do you explain every senator voting against it being a Democrat?

The President of the United States proposed the policy. However… are you saying that DADT is a right wing homophobic bill? Great then Clinton signed a Right Wing homophobic bill. What does that say about him?

Look, I don’t want to defend this. You came in the middle of a discussion. I am not really interested in THIS part of it.

One guy says that Hitler was Right wing because he was militaristic, sexist, and homophobic.

So I pointed out that Mao/Che/Castro brothers / Stalin / Chavez were left AND militaristic, sexist, and homophobic. The point of that particular Glen Beck show was that characterizing Hitler as right wing could be argued as wrong. AND that making Mao/Che/Castro brothers / Chavez out to be hero’s could also be argued as wrong.

Then firecat tried to say that was before, and doesn’t count. So I went about showing that Clinton COULD be characterized as militaristic, sexist, and homophobic.

AND there you go. I really should not have taken that last bait.

525 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:06:24pm

re: #524 Buck

The President of the United States proposed the policy. However… are you saying that DADT is a right wing homophobic bill? Great then Clinton signed a Right Wing homophobic bill. What does that say about him?

Look, I don’t want to defend this. You came in the middle of a discussion. I am not really interested in THIS part of it.

One guy says that Hitler was Right wing because he was militaristic, sexist, and homophobic.

So I pointed out that Mao/Che/Castro brothers / Stalin / Chavez were left AND militaristic, sexist, and homophobic. The point of that particular Glen Beck show was that characterizing Hitler as right wing could be argued as wrong. AND that making Mao/Che/Castro brothers / Chavez out to be hero’s could also be argued as wrong.

Then firecat tried to say that was before, and doesn’t count. So I went about showing that Clinton COULD be characterized as militaristic, sexist, and homophobic.

AND there you go. I really should not have taken that last bait.

Umm…. you know what I could be actively wrong about this but was it you or CarryOn who talked about how you were the leader of your local Tea Party group? Because if it was you I’d like a link to that thread if you can remeber which one it was in….

526 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:08:01pm

re: #525 jamesfirecat

Umm… you know what I could be actively wrong about this but was it you or CarryOn who talked about how you were the leader of your local Tea Party group? Because if it was you I’d like a link to that thread if you can remeber which one it was in…

I am not the leader of a local tea party group.

Does that mean you are actively wrong?

527 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:08:33pm

re: #526 Buck

I am not the leader of a local tea party group.

Does that mean you are actively wrong?

On that particular issue, yes.

528 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:08:58pm

re: #524 Buck

The President of the United States proposed the policy. However… are you saying that DADT is a right wing homophobic bill? Great then Clinton signed a Right Wing homophobic bill. What does that say about him?

That the bill passed with 86 votes, and that he’s weak on gay rights?

I could just repost what I just posted, man.

Look, I don’t want to defend this. You came in the middle of a discussion. I am not really interested in THIS part of it.

Mainly because you’re making massively stupid, disprovable claims.

529 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:11:53pm

re: #528 Obdicut

Mainly because you’re making massively stupid, disprovable claims.

Huh, so it if passed with 86 votes then there was f*** all Clinton could have done about it as a veto would have just been a childish waste of time.

530 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:13:52pm

re: #520 goddamnedfrank

No, that was about a unique VX nerve gas precursor discovered by the CIA. Leave it to a right wing apologist to argue that Clinton attempting retaliation against Bin Laden was wrong.

The film drew attention similarities to the Clinton sex scandal. That is what I was saying. AND was not against Clinton using the military. I was saying that he used it in ways Bush would have not been able to get away with.

531 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:17:02pm

re: #530 Buck

The film drew attention similarities to the Clinton sex scandal. That is what I was saying. AND was not against Clinton using the military. I was saying that he used it in ways Bush would have not been able to get away with.

Yes because it isn’t like Bush got us into a war that he didn’t get us out of by the time that he left the presidency after having 5 or 6 years to work on the problem.

And it isn’t at all like Bush would manage to convince our congress to declare wars based on lies….

Yes damn that Clinton he used our military in ways that Bush could never even dream of!

532 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:21:02pm

re: #531 jamesfirecat


Yes damn that Clinton he used our military in ways that Bush could never even dream of!

OK, but he was militaristic….

533 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:24:23pm

re: #518 jamesfirecat

Also show me your proof of homophobia among the current left and I’ll show you mine among the current right, want to see who has more and more virulent examples?

I await your counter argument.

Not really interested. I go back to how you cannot say that homophobia defines the right anymore than I can say that anti semitism defines the left.

littlegreenfootballs.com

534 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:30:59pm

re: #518 jamesfirecat

Tell you what, would you say that if you were a slave but you were freed from slavery to face Jim Crow, that the people who freed you from slavery were racists?

Same situation. It’s a step forward.

Also show me your proof of homophobia among the current left and I’ll show you mine among the current right, want to see who has more and more virulent examples?


I await your counter argument.

When Left leaning asshole actor/journalist supports Iran/Chavez/ Palestinians, he is supporting people who ARE ACTUALLY killing homosexuals.

Do you really need all the links, or can you figure it out? It is late here.

535 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:34:23pm

re: #534 Buck

Uganda.

536 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:36:04pm

re: #535 Obdicut

Uganda.

YES! I agree that it is the same thing as all the Left supporting Iran/Chavez/ Palestinians. And that is my point.

537 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:41:19pm

re: #536 Buck

Except that there is widespread support among high-level right-wing members for Uganda, and there is none for Iran.

You are a very obvious person.

538 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:50:07pm

re: #537 Obdicut

Except that there is widespread support among high-level right-wing members for Uganda, and there is none for Iran.

You are a very obvious person.

So you tell me.

I just don’t believe there is widespread support among high-level right-wing members for executing gays.

539 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:55:53pm

re: #537 Obdicut

Except that there is widespread support among high-level right-wing members for Uganda, and there is none for Iran.

You are a very obvious person.

Senator John Kerry supports Code Pink to help them reach out to Hamas. Hamas kills men for being gay.

Thats pretty high up…

540 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:01:16pm

re: #538 Buck

You don’t believe a lot of things that are true, Buck, so why would this be any different?

541 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:10:34pm

re: #524 Buck

Buck -

President Clinton Signed “DOMA” - a Popular Bill at the Time. Proves one thing,
President Clinton preferred popularity to anything else, kinda like the “v” chip, school uniforms and Late Night Basketball.
Can’t blame him - at the time, it seemed as if history, if Not ended, had taken a Vacation.
Had the Issikoff’s/MSM’s of the world, rather than Matt Drudge or Lucianne Goldberg’s been the Order of the Day - Bil Clinton would have left office with 75+% Popularity.
Discussion?

-S-

542 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:18:06pm

re: #539 Buck

Buck -

Sen. John Kerry/Cohen, (D) MA - and his family ceased to “be Jewish” 100+/- years ago during the last days of the Austrian Empire when it was handier to be Catholic - forget Christian - than anything else. Same goes for George Soros (Hungarian for “To Soar”). By Halacha Jewish - Otherwise - Not So Much.

-S-

543 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:24:54pm

re: #541 Dr. Shalit

Buck -

President Clinton Signed “DOMA” - a Popular Bill at the Time. Proves one thing,


He still to this day would say that he believes marriage is between one man and one woman. As would Hillary, and Obama.


Had the Issikoff’s/MSM’s of the world, rather than Matt Drudge or Lucianne Goldberg’s been the Order of the Day - Bil Clinton would have left office with 75+% Popularity.
Discussion?

-S-

What effect did his decision to have an affair with an intern have on his popularity? What I mean to point out is that “the order of the day” was his and his alone.

He could have dropped the whole issue of gay marriage in the laps of the courts. He could have washed his hands of it.

544 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:27:15pm

re: #540 Obdicut

You don’t believe a lot of things that are true, Buck, so why would this be any different?

and you believe a lot of what you obviously can’t prove, but just feel.

Thats ok. Don’t let facts get in the way of that world view.

545 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:28:46pm

re: #544 Buck

Can you please name a fact that I’ve ignored and haven’t addressed? You know the way that you ignore that DOMA was introduced by the GOP and supported by the entire GOP except for one brave Rep?

Every single GOP member voted for it except for one. It was introduced by them. But according to you, Clinton created it and the left did it.

This is why you can’t be taken seriously.

546 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:40:41pm

re: #542 Dr. Shalit

Buck -

Sen. John Kerry/Cohen, (D) MA - and his family ceased to “be Jewish” 100+/- years ago during the last days of the Austrian Empire when it was handier to be Catholic - forget Christian - than anything else. Same goes for George Soros (Hungarian for “To Soar”). By Halacha Jewish - Otherwise - Not So Much.

-S-

In this case it isn’t about being Jewish, or even supporting Israel. It is about the left (in this case Kerry and Code Pink) supporting Hamas oppression against gays. Much like imaginary support for an Uganda anti homosexual bill by evangelical pastor Rick Warren. Even after Warren asked a group of pastors in Uganda to speak out against the country’s Anti-Homosexuality bill.

However, when Sean Penn, Cindy Sheehan, Micheal Moore or Danny Glover supports governments who are actively oppressing gays, when these useful idiots never speak out against the oppressive governments, but instead praise them… we are to ignore it. Minimize it. Pretend it away.

Uganda! they scream. As if gays in Iran/Venezuela/Cuba don’t count.

547 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:43:08pm

re: #546 Buck

In this case it isn’t about being Jewish, or even supporting Israel. It is about the left (in this case Kerry and Code Pink) supporting Hamas oppression against gays. Much like imaginary support for an Uganda anti homosexual bill by evangelical pastor Rick Warren. Even after Warren asked a group of pastors in Uganda to speak out against the country’s Anti-Homosexuality bill.

However, when Sean Penn, Cindy Sheehan, Micheal Moore or Danny Glover supports governments who are actively oppressing gays, when these useful idiots never speak out against the oppressive governments, but instead praise them… we are to ignore it. Minimize it. Pretend it away.

Uganda! they scream. As if gays in Iran/Venezuela/Cuba don’t count.


Do the democrats directly support or try to preach that gays should be punished in those places?

548 iceweasel  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:48:02pm

re: #546 Buck

In this case it isn’t about being Jewish, or even supporting Israel. It is about the left (in this case Kerry and Code Pink) supporting Hamas oppression against gays. Much like imaginary support for an Uganda anti homosexual bill by evangelical pastor Rick Warren. Even after Warren asked a group of pastors in Uganda to speak out against the country’s Anti-Homosexuality bill.

However, when Sean Penn, Cindy Sheehan, Micheal Moore or Danny Glover supports governments who are actively oppressing gays, when these useful idiots never speak out against the oppressive governments, but instead praise them… we are to ignore it. Minimize it. Pretend it away.

Uganda! they scream. As if gays in Iran/Venezuela/Cuba don’t count.

There is nothing at all ‘imaginary’ about American evangelicals having been behind the Ugandan bill. Check the posts here about it.
Warren himself declined to come out with a statement condemning the Ugandan bill for several days. Someone on AFA radio recommended imprisioning gay people and forcing them to undergo ‘rehabiliative therapy’. Roy Moore today endorsed executing them.
You can keep on with your bullshit carping, but you don’t know the facts.

549 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:48:09pm

re: #547 jamesfirecat

Do the democrats directly support or try to preach that gays should be punished in those places?

We were talking left and right.

550 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:49:35pm

re: #549 Buck

We were talking left and right.

You were talking about democratic senators like Kerry, but so far the most you shown me is indifference towards homosexuals from the left, which I will grant you there exists a fair amount of.

But there’s actual detestion and hatred of them on the right.

551 iceweasel  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:50:53pm

re: #549 Buck

We were talking left and right.

Okay then. It is the right in this country that is the fount of anti-ghey rhetoric and legislation, it is the right in this country that will block all attempts at equality for gays, it is the right in this country that can be expected to go into Full Metal Wingnut shrieking meltdown this year over issues involving ‘teh ghey’.

552 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:53:53pm

re: #548 iceweasel

There is nothing at all ‘imaginary’ about American evangelicals having been behind the Ugandan bill. Check the posts here about it.
Warren himself declined to come out with a statement condemning the Ugandan bill for several days. Someone on AFA radio recommended imprisioning gay people and forcing them to undergo ‘rehabiliative therapy’. Roy Moore today endorsed executing them.
You can keep on with your bullshit carping, but you don’t know the facts.

I think you have your facts wrong, but don’t let me get in the way of your lynching. I will happily hold your coat while you go after anyone who is anti gay. Just don’t think it is only the right advocating death penalties for being gay.

553 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:54:56pm

re: #552 Buck

I think you have your facts wrong, but don’t let me get in the way of your lynching. I will happily hold your coat while you go after anyone who is anti gay. Just don’t think it is only the right advocating death penalties for being gay.

Then show me the left directly advocating for it!

554 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 7:59:53pm

re: #550 jamesfirecat

You were talking about democratic senators like Kerry, but so far the most you shown me is indifference towards homosexuals from the left, which I will grant you there exists a fair amount of.

But there’s actual detestion and hatred of them on the right.

Ya thats why in California support for Same Sex Marriage clocked in at 47.53%. 52.4 % of California voters are right wing.

555 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:07:22pm

re: #554 Buck

Ya thats why in California support for Same Sex Marriage clocked in at 47.53%. 52.4 % of California voters are right wing.

You assume that democrats are a monolithic voting block and that every democrat supports gay marraige, as you’ve clearly pointed out we don’t.

Isn’t it possible that if Clinton doesn’t support it, and Obama doesn’t support it, there were democrats in California who don’t support it?

556 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:10:33pm

re: #553 jamesfirecat

Then show me the left directly advocating for it!

Show me Sean Penn, Cindy Sheehan, Micheal Moore, Danny Glover speak out against the respective leader’s Anti-Homosexuality laws.

You have moved the line. Showing support for gay oppression.

557 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:12:00pm

re: #556 Buck

Show me Sean Penn, Cindy Sheehan, Micheal Moore, Danny Glover speak out against the respective leader’s Anti-Homosexuality laws.

You have moved the line. Showing support for gay oppression.

Like I said, there is indifference to homosexual suffering on the left, there is hatred for homosexuals on the right.

Do you dispute this statement?

558 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:12:43pm

re: #555 jamesfirecat

You assume that democrats are a monolithic voting block and that every democrat supports gay marraige, as you’ve clearly pointed out we don’t.

Isn’t it possible that if Clinton doesn’t support it, and Obama doesn’t support it, there were democrats in California who don’t support it?

I think you have had a real breakthrough. Just as there are those on the right who do support equal rights for gays… in marriage and the military.

Homophobia on both sides of the political spectrum…. who would have thunk it.

559 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:13:08pm

re: #558 Buck

I think you have had a real breakthrough. Just as there are those on the right who do support equal rights for gays… in marriage and the military.

Homophobia on both sides of the political spectrum… who would have thunk it.

The homophobia on the right is worse however, or do you dispute that?

560 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:13:35pm

re: #559 jamesfirecat

The homophobia on the right is worse however, or do you dispute that?

worse….no.

561 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:14:22pm

re: #560 Buck

worse…no.

Glad we could have this talk.

562 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:14:39pm

re: #560 Buck

worse…no.

I meant that I don’t agree that it is worse.

563 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:18:04pm

re: #562 Buck

I meant that I don’t agree that it is worse.

What would it take to convince you it is worse on the right than on the left?

564 Buck  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:39:40pm

re: #563 jamesfirecat

What would it take to convince you it is worse on the right than on the left?

To that gay man in Tehran, who watched the Iranian media show Sean Penn kissing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s ass and praising the Mullahs… who do you think is worse? Sean Penn’s show of support, or what Judge Roy Moore said.

To the gay man in Gaza who fears for his life if he should be exposed, who do YOU think he feels is worse Code Pink supporting and praising Hamas? Or MassResistance?

To the gay people in Cuba, who are afraid of meeting and organizing themselves what is worse, the Black Caucus members expressing that meeting with Castro was like talking to an old friend…. or the daily KOS poll results?

BUT don’t get all stupid about this…. You are asking about worse. I think both parties record with Arab and Muslim countries suck. AND both sides of the political spectrum record on getting Sexual orientation in human rights law.

But I think Judge Roy Moore is a clown, and the more he is exposed the less we will hear from him. And he will never be able to get his wish.

565 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:45:48pm

re: #564 Buck

To that gay man in Tehran, who watched the Iranian media show Sean Penn kissing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s ass and praising the Mullahs… who do you think is worse? Sean Penn’s show of support, or what Judge Roy Moore said.

To the gay man in Gaza who fears for his life if he should be exposed, who do YOU think he feels is worse Code Pink supporting and praising Hamas? Or MassResistance?

To the gay people in Cuba, who are afraid of meeting and organizing themselves what is worse, the Black Caucus members expressing that meeting with Castro was like talking to an old friend… or the daily KOS poll results?

BUT don’t get all stupid about this… You are asking about worse. I think both parties record with Arab and Muslim countries suck. AND both sides of the political spectrum record on getting Sexual orientation in human rights law.

But I think Judge Roy Moore is a clown, and the more he is exposed the less we will hear from him. And he will never be able to get his wish.

You didn’t answer my question.

Is there any evidence, or any type of evidence I could present that would prove to you that the Republicans as a party are worse homophobes then the democrats?

If you can not imagine there possibly being any such evidence in existence, then I’ve got no reason to argue with you. You don’t play football when the other side has no end zone.

566 jamesfirecat  Sat, Feb 6, 2010 9:48:38pm

re: #565 jamesfirecat

You didn’t answer my question.

Is there any evidence, or any type of evidence I could present that would prove to you that the Republicans as a party are worse homophobes then the democrats?

If you can not imagine there possibly being any such evidence in existence, then I’ve got no reason to argue with you. You don’t play football when the other side has no end zone.

And if it helps, I would be convinced for the moment that the Democrats would be as bad or worse than the republicans if you could find me half a dozen examples of democrats showing active homophobia rather than simple indifference to the suffering of homosexuals.

567 Buck  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:44:24am

re: #566 jamesfirecat

And if it helps, I would be convinced for the moment that the Democrats would be as bad or worse than the republicans if you could find me half a dozen examples of democrats showing active homophobia rather than simple indifference to the suffering of homosexuals.

I am really not trying to convince you. However maybe I consider indifference to be active. I don’t that people who clearly know better, can use the excuse that they didn’t actively participate.

Let me give you an example that might drive it home for you. If someone sits in their house of worship and hears every week mysogynist rants. Every week they hear their community leader spew the worst antisemitic garbage. Racism of the worst kind. Is that person really “inactive”?

I certainly see different classes of homophobia. Institutionalized homophobia. Religious homophobia, State-sponsored homophobia, Internalized homophobia, and Social homophobia. I really don’t see an “indifferent” homophobia. However if I did, I would NOT think of it as “not so bad”.

When you think of racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood…. do you really think that those people who are only “indifferent” to the oppression are “not so bad”?

Well, I don’t. So when those people on the right oppress people, I speak up. I don’t support them. I don’t excuse them. Same with those on the left.

568 jamesfirecat  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:48:56am

re: #567 Buck

I am really not trying to convince you. However maybe I consider indifference to be active. I don’t that people who clearly know better, can use the excuse that they didn’t actively participate.

Let me give you an example that might drive it home for you. If someone sits in their house of worship and hears every week mysogynist rants. Every week they hear their community leader spew the worst antisemitic garbage. Racism of the worst kind. Is that person really “inactive”?

I certainly see different classes of homophobia. Institutionalized homophobia. Religious homophobia, State-sponsored homophobia, Internalized homophobia, and Social homophobia. I really don’t see an “indifferent” homophobia. However if I did, I would NOT think of it as “not so bad”.

When you think of racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood… do you really think that those people who are only “indifferent” to the oppression are “not so bad”?

Well, I don’t. So when those people on the right oppress people, I speak up. I don’t support them. I don’t excuse them. Same with those on the left.

You still haven’t answered my question.

Is there any sort of evidence that I could present you with that would prove that homophobia on the right is worse than on the left?

569 Buck  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:07:28am

re: #568 jamesfirecat

You still haven’t answered my question.

Is there any sort of evidence that I could present you with that would prove that homophobia on the right is worse than on the left?

I did answer you. I think you are acting purposely dense when you pretend you didn’t understand my answer.

However perhaps you just need to take longer than a minute to really digest what I have said. I have tried to explain it to you more than once.

570 Buck  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:40:49am

re: #568 jamesfirecat


Is there any sort of evidence that I could present you with that would prove that homophobia on the right is worse than on the left?

You keep changing right/left to Republican/Democrat.

left/Right (as asked above) When you can show me that Mao/Che/Castro brothers / Stalin / Chavez were not terrible for the homosexual communities.

Republican/Democrat (as asked earlier)?

When the Clinton administration was creating the clearly homophobic DADT (first by executive order), Congressional opposition to lifting the ban on gay and bisexual people in the armed forces was led by Democratic Senator Sam Nunn of Georgia. Active?

The Democratic controlled New Jersey legislature recently voted down same sex marriage. Active?

President Obama continues to support laws that clearly discriminate against gays. Repeatedly defending DOMA in court, including just a few weeks ago, even though he didn’t have to. Active?

Obama orders halt to Guantánamo Bay tribunals, but does NOT order a stop to DADT investigations. AND openly refuses to simply defund them. Active?

No you can’t convince me that there is a difference (worse/better?) between the Democratic Party (that uses gays and lesbians to get elected, and then shoves them deep into the back of the political closet) and The Republican Party.

On gay and lesbian civil rights issues, I see no difference between the Democrats and Republicans.

571 jamesfirecat  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 12:57:45pm

re: #570 Buck

You keep changing right/left to Republican/Democrat.

left/Right (as asked above) When you can show me that Mao/Che/Castro brothers / Stalin / Chavez were not terrible for the homosexual communities.

Republican/Democrat (as asked earlier)?

When the Clinton administration was creating the clearly homophobic DADT (first by executive order), Congressional opposition to lifting the ban on gay and bisexual people in the armed forces was led by Democratic Senator Sam Nunn of Georgia. Active?

The Democratic controlled New Jersey legislature recently voted down same sex marriage. Active?

President Obama continues to support laws that clearly discriminate against gays. Repeatedly defending DOMA in court, including just a few weeks ago, even though he didn’t have to. Active?

Obama orders halt to Guantánamo Bay tribunals, but does NOT order a stop to DADT investigations. AND openly refuses to simply defund them. Active?

No you can’t convince me that there is a difference (worse/better?) between the Democratic Party (that uses gays and lesbians to get elected, and then shoves them deep into the back of the political closet) and The Republican Party.

On gay and lesbian civil rights issues, I see no difference between the Democrats and Republicans.


Well then if there’s no evidence I could produce to convince you, and you don’t want to try and convince me by presenting me with examples of democrats actively calling for discrimination against Gays, then I guess there’s no point in any further discussion of the issue.

572 jamesfirecat  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 1:03:15pm

re: #571 jamesfirecat

Well then if there’s no evidence I could produce to convince you, and you don’t want to try and convince me by presenting me with examples of democrats actively calling for discrimination against Gays, then I guess there’s no point in any further discussion of the issue.

Also let me make my point entirely clear.

There are democrats who don’t believe in letting gays marry each other.

There are democrats who do.

There are republicans who believe in not letting gays marry each other.

There are republicans who believe in letting gays marry each other, but you sure don’t see them in elected office much do you?

There are also republicans who say that being homosexual should be outlawed, I have yet to see many Democrat say something like that.

In my opinion Democrats are trying to help, the problem is that like every other issue out there we squabble among ourselves over it.

573 Buck  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 1:58:58pm

re: #571 jamesfirecat

Well then if there’s no evidence I could produce to convince you, and you don’t want to try and convince me by presenting me with examples of democrats actively calling for discrimination against Gays, then I guess there’s no point in any further discussion of the issue.

Again, I think you are being purposely dense. In my #570, which you quote in your #571 there are examples of “democrats actively calling for discrimination against Gays”. You either are purposely ignoring what I write (despite quoting it), or are really that blind.

I summarize your position this way:

If a person on the right is homophobic, he is wrong. If a person on the left is homophobic, at least his heart is in the left place.

574 jamesfirecat  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 3:33:07pm

re: #573 Buck

Again, I think you are being purposely dense. In my #570, which you quote in your #571 there are examples of “democrats actively calling for discrimination against Gays”. You either are purposely ignoring what I write (despite quoting it), or are really that blind.

I summarize your position this way:

If a person on the right is homophobic, he is wrong. If a person on the left is homophobic, at least his heart is in the left place.

You continue to clarify DADT as a homophobic bill.

Would you clarify the law that made it possible for blacks to serve in the US army, even though they had to serve in segregated units as a racist bill?

Maybe it was, but at the same time it was a step forward.


Obama is trying to repeal DADT by legislative means, since if he does it by executive order it can be undone by executive order.

When a person on the right is homophobic they are wrong, when a person on the left is homophobic they are wrong.

But there sure seem to be a lot more people who are a lot “more wrong” about gays on the right than on the left.

How can you see “no difference” between the party that mades it possible for gays to serve in the military and is now trying to let them do it openly, and the party that 3/4ths of doesn’t think gays should be allowed to teach their children?

575 jamesfirecat  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 3:39:20pm

re: #574 jamesfirecat

You continue to clarify DADT as a homophobic bill.

Would you clarify the law that made it possible for blacks to serve in the US army, even though they had to serve in segregated units as a racist bill?

Maybe it was, but at the same time it was a step forward.

Obama is trying to repeal DADT by legislative means, since if he does it by executive order it can be undone by executive order.

When a person on the right is homophobic they are wrong, when a person on the left is homophobic they are wrong.

But there sure seem to be a lot more people who are a lot “more wrong” about gays on the right than on the left.

How can you see “no difference” between the party that mades it possible for gays to serve in the military and is now trying to let them do it openly, and the party that 3/4ths of doesn’t think gays should be allowed to teach their children?


My bad, I got carried away, only 73% of Republicans have a problem with Gays teaching in their schools. littlegreenfootballs.com

Democrats aren’t perfect on gay rights, not by a long shot, they’re not perfect on anything, but at the moment they’re the best option America has.

576 Buck  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 5:40:37pm

re: #574 jamesfirecat

You continue to clarify DADT as a homophobic bill.

Would you clarify the law that made it possible for blacks to serve in the US army, even though they had to serve in segregated units as a racist bill?

Maybe it was, but at the same time it was a step forward.

Obama is trying to repeal DADT by legislative means, since if he does it by executive order it can be undone by executive order.

When a person on the right is homophobic they are wrong, when a person on the left is homophobic they are wrong.

But there sure seem to be a lot more people who are a lot “more wrong” about gays on the right than on the left.

How can you see “no difference” between the party that mades it possible for gays to serve in the military and is now trying to let them do it openly, and the party that 3/4ths of doesn’t think gays should be allowed to teach their children?

First don’t throw that Dkos survey at me. You can pass it around the echo chamber if you want. But it means nothing to me. I can’t investigate it, but there are some weird things about it.

Second,
I already showed that DADT was homophobic. #536

It is a policy stopping openly gay, lesbian, and bisexual individuals from serving in the United States military, as mandated by federal law Pub.L. 103-160 (10 U.S.C. § 654). Unless one of the exceptions from 10 U.S.C. § 654(b) applies, the policy prohibits anyone who “demonstrate(s) a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts” from serving in the armed forces.

What do you think that means?

AND MAYBE forcing African Americans to serve in segregated units was racist? Wow… Again at least their heart was in the left place… No problem Sir, I like sitting at the back of the bus. I am just soooo lucky just be allowed on the bus…

Obama says he isn’t going to do the popular thing, but rather do the right thing.

He could in one minute sign an executive order stopping all DADT investigations. How many members of the armed forces have been discharged due to DADT in the past 12 months? Maybe get all those investigators to look at any openly serving muslims in the armed forces that TELL everyone who listens that they are SOA. Do you really think there would be some major fallout? 12 months ago, when he really should have done it, he only had to answer to his own democratic majority. You know all those nice folks who are not (in your opinion) actively oppressing homosexuals. So why didn’t he? After making all those promises…All those great speeches. Given a chance….in July of 09 Sen. Gillibrand was trying to put a moratorium on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell investigations for 18 months, while the groundwork on a full repeal could be accomplished. What happened to that? The big bad Republicans (who did not have enough votes to blow their own noses) stopped it?

Democrats aren’t perfect on gay rights, not by a long shot, they’re not perfect on anything, but at the moment they’re the best option America has.

Right, cause the other side is worse. I got that from you already.

Well I think I have advanced my argument with you about as far as possible.

buh bye

577 jamesfirecat  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:00:38pm

re: #576 Buck

Right, cause the other side is worse. I got that from you already.

Well I think I have advanced my argument with you about as far as possible.

buh bye

The Survey was conducted by an independent firm, so it doesn’t matter who ordered it.

You insist on seeing the worst of everything which I suppose is easy to do when you’ve got it right. Like I’ve said before, when I look to Canada I see a lot of things I wish I saw in America, Gay Marriage, Legalized Medical Pot, A Government run healthcare System… but America isn’t Canada.

Is it fair to assume that the Republicans and Democrats would vote via a primary for a person who most represents their values, and thus to some degree we could reasonably stereotype the parties based on who they elect to run for president?

2008 was Barack Obama Against John McCain.

McCain doesn’t believe in civil unions or letting gays serve openly in the military even when as it turns out he’s got the commanders suggesting they should be allowed to.

thinkprogress.org

washingtonpost.com

Barack Obama is for civil unions and letting gays serve openly in the military.

lesbianlife.about.com

Civil Unions are not Gay Marriage, but they would keep gay people who love each other very much from being able to see their loved ones in the hospital, they would make it so that gays don’t get cheated out of inheriting what belonged to the ones they shared a commitment with in case of death.

Barack Obama is for gay adoption so that even if gay’s can’t get married, they can start a family.

In this case, in this match up, I can’t imagine how you can look at those two men and say that they are “the same” one of them is trying to struggle forward bit by bit towards equality, and the other is for keeping things as they are.

Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.

578 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:45:38pm

re: #168 SixDegrees

We’ve been parsing a particular type of XML document for some time, without trouble, using Xerces-C++. We got a failure the other day, because every tag in the document suddenly has a namspace attached to it, which we’ve never seen before. The namespace is the same on every tag, and appears to be machine generated. There is a single tag at the top of the document (I don’t recall the name of it) containing a huge list of namespace definitions of the form ‘xmlns:foo=”urn:gdyn:ims:bar”’; ‘foo’ is the namespace found in the document tags, although there are many other namespaces listed.

I’m assuming that somewhere, there is a document that states one of two things: the namespace we’re supposed to be interested in, or the urn we’re supposed to be interested in. Is this correct? It seems impossible to me to attach such metainformation to the document itself, so we need some external source for the mapping between namespaces/urns and things we actually care about.

Also, since we’ve never seen namespaces before this, how do we set up our code to parse both types of document, ones with namespaces defined and ones without? It seems as though the only solution is to look for the namespace setting, and vary the function call based on it’s presence or absence, using either getElementsByTagName() or getElementsByTagNameNS() as appropriate. Is this also correct, or is there a way to tell the latter to use the “default” (non-explicit) namespace, maybe by using an empty string?

My first thought is that somebody’s development code got pushed out as production code by accident, because nobody uses ‘foo’ as a variable name in production code. That namespace spec looks pretty useless without some kind of way to access the file.

I’d get in touch with whoever’s supplying the XML file and ask, “WTF?”


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