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Kragar Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:20:36pm |
Major blow to the Taliban, because now the whole world is going to want a piece of the action:
U.S. Identifies Vast Riches of Minerals in Afghanistan
The United States has discovered nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan, far beyond any previously known reserves and enough to fundamentally alter the Afghan economy and perhaps the Afghan war itself, according to senior American government officials.
The previously unknown deposits — including huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium — are so big and include so many minerals that are essential to modern industry that Afghanistan could eventually be transformed into one of the most important mining centers in the world, the United States officials believe.
An internal Pentagon memo, for example, states that Afghanistan could become the “Saudi Arabia of lithium,” a key raw material in the manufacture of batteries for laptops and BlackBerrys.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:22:39pm |
re: #3 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
May they reap a new found prosperity that denies the Dark Ages thinking of the Taliban any foothold.
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Irenicum Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:24:25pm |
re: #3 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I saw that link a little while ago. Should be interesting to see what impact it has.
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Irenicum Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:26:07pm |
re: #4 Slumbering Behemoth
And yes, I too hope it propels them to a more modern developed place where they don't have to rely on a medieval mindset.
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Irenicum Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:29:15pm |
My concern in the huge mineral find in Afghanistan is that it may just reinforce the kleptocracy that already exists. Look at Nigeria, by all counts it should be one of the richest nations on earth, and yet we see grinding poverty across the board because of a deeply corrupt tribal leadership. I'll hope for the best but I'm keeping the powder dry as they say.
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Kragar Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:30:16pm |
re: #5 Irenicum
I saw that link a little while ago. Should be interesting to see what impact it has.
This is a game changer. They've been trusting that the world will get tired fighting over a worthless desert and leave. Thats gone up in smoke.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:31:38pm |
re: #3 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
They do share a border with China, the obvious consumer, no?
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Kragar Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:33:22pm |
re: #7 Irenicum
My concern in the huge mineral find in Afghanistan is that it may just reinforce the kleptocracy that already exists. Look at Nigeria, by all counts it should be one of the richest nations on earth, and yet we see grinding poverty across the board because of a deeply corrupt tribal leadership. I'll hope for the best but I'm keeping the powder dry as they say.
True, its won't be pretty, but it will put to bed any hopes of waiting for the rest of the world to get fed up and leave.
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philosophus invidius Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:35:09pm |
Let's hope it doesn't end up like this:
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:38:53pm |
re: #6 Irenicum
And yes, I too hope it propels them to a more modern developed place where they don't have to rely on a medieval mindset.
I hope the same for all people of the world. An unrealistic hope, I know, but I still hope it.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:43:19pm |
re: #7 Irenicum
My concern in the huge mineral find in Afghanistan is that it may just reinforce the kleptocracy that already exists. Look at Nigeria, by all counts it should be one of the richest nations on earth, and yet we see grinding poverty across the board because of a deeply corrupt tribal leadership. I'll hope for the best but I'm keeping the powder dry as they say.
If it replaces opium as Afghanistan's primary export, I'll be content with that at least.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:44:29pm |
re: #3 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Major blow to the Taliban, because now the whole world is going to want a piece of the action:
Also... NO WAR FOR OIL OPIUM MINERALS!
/just checking off the inevitable.
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Bagua Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:44:47pm |
re: #3 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Major blow to the Taliban, because now the whole world is going to want a piece of the action:
They have no history of environmental protection, or mining, or reliable governance. Also no real economy or infrastructure. Suddenly they wake up to natural resources that could give them a real economy and develop their country.
This is a chance of a real future if they can stop killing each other long enough.
Massive reserves of far easier to mine oil and gas haven't been much of a blow to the Mullah regime in Iran, or Saddam's Iraq, or Wahhabi Saudi Arabia.
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Irenicum Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:44:52pm |
re: #10 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Ah, the power of profit. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:45:02pm |
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:46:35pm |
re: #14 laZardo
If it replaces opium as Afghanistan's primary export, I'll be content with that at least.
Apparently there is a global shortage on morphine. This has a lot of potential.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:46:51pm |
re: #16 Bagua
Massive reserves of far easier to mine oil and gas haven't been much of a blow to the Mullah regime in Iran, or Saddam's Iraq, or Wahhabi Saudi Arabia.
True. Sad, but true.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:48:27pm |
re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth
What? Don't like the competition Laz?
/is joke, is joke...How you been?
Coping.
/i.e. normal
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laZardo Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:49:24pm |
re: #20 Gus 802
Apparently there is a global shortage on morphine. This has a lot of potential.
Legalize it!
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Irenicum Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:52:11pm |
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I hope we redouble our war effort in Afghanistan if only to ensure that these resources get dealt with as they should. I always thought of the Afghan war as the good war contra Iraq. I'm not pleased with how it's gone to be sure, but the Taliban needs to be eradicated. That shit needs to stop. And I don't want them or the Chinese controlling key minerals. As much as I have my own Christian convictions regarding the nature of governments and empires, I'd much rather having us in charge than those asshats.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:53:11pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:53:49pm |
re: #22 laZardo
I hear you graduated or some such thing. Is that so?
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Irenicum Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:54:24pm |
BTW, my comment regarding the Chinese has nothing to do with them being Chinese. It has everything to do with the nature of their current government.
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:54:24pm |
re: #23 laZardo
Legalize it!
I think they would have to legalize it for medical purposes. There would have to be a lot of mechanisms in place including pharmaceutical buyers. It would be a global market. Now, that site I linked to isn't really advocating for the free market use of the poppies so it looks like it come with a great deal of strings attached.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:55:01pm |
If you cannot sleep, don't lie and toss in your bed.
That's my strategy.
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:55:24pm |
re: #29 MandyManners
If you cannot sleep, don't lie and toss in your bed.
That's my strategy.
Philosophy?
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:56:40pm |
re: #24 Irenicum
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I hope we redouble our war effort in Afghanistan if only to ensure that these resources get dealt with as they should. I always thought of the Afghan war as the good war contra Iraq. I'm not pleased with how it's gone to be sure, but the Taliban needs to be eradicated. That shit needs to stop. And I don't want them or the Chinese controlling key minerals. As much as I have my own Christian convictions regarding the nature of governments and empires, I'd much rather having us in charge than those asshats.
Wowza.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:56:49pm |
re: #29 MandyManners
Yeah, if I have that problem, I toss in front of my computer.
/TMI?
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MandyManners Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:57:39pm |
re: #32 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, if I have that problem, I toss in front of my computer.
/TMI?
YMMV, litterally.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:57:39pm |
re: #26 Slumbering Behemoth
I hear you graduated or some such thing. Is that so?
I finished the one company I was doing internship for. Unfortunately because my coordinators adopted a points-based system from the Multimedia Arts department instead of hours I'm gonna have to find a different company with different design specializations to fill up the bracket.
/clever bastards.
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:58:34pm |
re: #28 Gus 802
There is this:
Anger at legal Afghan opium plan
Afghan and international narcotics experts have strongly criticised a proposed pilot project to grow opium poppy legally in Afghanistan for use in medicines.
The scheme is the brainchild of the Senlis Council, a think-tank working on security, development and counter-narcotics issues...
Whatever I guess. FTW. Nothing ever gets done anymore. The Chinese will get a foothold on their minerals and the tribalism will re-emerge. They Chinese will also start selling small arms as they're doing in Sudan and it will start to turn into another Africa while the Western nations continue to pour billions in another 3rd world black hole of our creation.
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:59:27pm |
re: #35 Gus 802
By our creation I mean global creation not the USA. :)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 9:59:33pm |
re: #33 MandyManners
YMMV, litterally.
Wow. If I end up producing shots that can be measured in miles, I am gonna haul ass to the doctor immediately.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:00:51pm |
re: #37 Slumbering Behemoth
Or the Guinness Book people.
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Irenicum Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:01:22pm |
I'm all for legalizing weed, but the harder stuff, not. I worked in social work in NYC and saw the effects of the hard stuff, coke, smack, meth. Too many dead friends for my taste.
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Soap_Man Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:02:03pm |
Hey everyone. Haven't been around much. Been recovering from the Blackhawks win. I took a few days.
Anyway, I have mixed feelings about the Afgan news. It seems to me that the likely scenario is that the existing corruption will reap all the benefits and the people won't see a dime.
More money for the murderers is what I fear.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:02:33pm |
re: #34 laZardo
Good luck, bro. You know, you could always come to America. Do you know anything about cars?
/
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Irenicum Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:03:12pm |
re: #40 Soap_Man
My fear too. Hoping that the military and aid organizations will intervene.
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:04:53pm |
re: #43 Irenicum
My fear too. Hoping that the military and aid organizations will intervene.
Yeah. The world will spend 1 trillion dollars before a shovel even moves. I'm sure the stack of paper will reach from here to the moon. Everyone is going to want to get their hands on it. SOS
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:05:36pm |
re: #29 MandyManners
If you cannot sleep, don't lie and toss in your bed.
That's my strategy.
Good strategy.
Any progs around to tell us a bedtime fairy tale?
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:05:53pm |
And the conspiracy theories will reach from here to the moon. "Oh, so that's why we went to war in Afghanistan!!11!!!" Barf.
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:06:13pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:06:43pm |
re: #42 MandyManners
I'm sorry you gotta deal with that situation. I know it must be very difficult for you. My mom is a heavy smoker, and I am not looking forward to any of that.
Though my brother and I suspect that despite all her nasty habits, past and present, she'll end up out living us all.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:06:45pm |
re: #46 Spare O'Lake
Good strategy.
Any progs around to tell us a bedtime fairy tale?
Once upon a time there was a non-democratic 3rd world country where the people mattered more than gravel.
(I told you it was a fairy tale.)
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:06:58pm |
re: #46 Spare O'Lake
Good strategy.
Any progs around to tell us a bedtime fairy tale?
Sure. We won!
BOO! No sleep for you. :-)
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laZardo Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:07:03pm |
re: #45 Gus 802
Yeah. The world will spend 1 trillion dollars before a shovel even moves. I'm sure the stack of paper will reach from here to the moon. Everyone is going to want to get their hands on it. SOS
Including the United Nations.
/unfortunately.
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laZardo Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:07:31pm |
re: #47 Gus 802
And the conspiracy theories will reach from here to the moon. "Oh, so that's why we went to war in Afghanistan!!11!!!" Barf.
GMTA #15. :D
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freetoken Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:08:15pm |
File this one under "S", for Smarmy:
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:08:28pm |
re: #53 Jimmah
That's the shortest fairy tale I've ever heard.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:10:08pm |
Oh, look, it worked. I'm sleepy.
See you all later.
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Irenicum Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:10:35pm |
re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth
I didn't know Mandy was dealing with that. Sorry. My mom died far too early because of heavy smoking. {{{Mandy}}}
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Irenicum Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:11:13pm |
re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm partial to fractured fairy tales.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:12:31pm |
re: #59 Irenicum
Hmm... Maybe she didn't want me bringing that over from the last thread. Sorry Mandy.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:12:57pm |
re: #53 Jimmah
Sure. We won!
BOO! No sleep for you. :-)
That's a nightmare not a fairytale, but you just bored me to sleep.
Thanks.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:15:41pm |
re: #62 Spare O'Lake
That's a nightmare not a fairytale, but you just bored me to sleep.
Thanks.
Goodnight sweet Spare, and may flights of wingnuts sing you to your rest!
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Van Helsing Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:16:59pm |
re: #4 Slumbering Behemoth
May they reap a new found prosperity that denies the Dark Ages thinking of the Taliban any foothold.
I would love to be positive about that, (since my eldest will end up there, probably in 2011 - already done 2 tours in Iraq) I've ready enough history of that place.
'
I'm less than thrilled to have my son there..
We ( as a country) don't have the will to end things there. It doesn't matter what we do, there is not 'Afghan Nation' and likely never will be.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:17:26pm |
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:17:35pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:20:51pm |
re: #64 Van Helsing
I'm not so starry-eyed to deny reality, but I do have hope for certain things. They may be unrealistic hopes, but I still have them.
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Kragar Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:21:24pm |
You know what the real fun stuff to watch will be?
Watching all the fence sitters and naysayers suddenly scrambling to get a piece of the pie.
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:23:59pm |
re: #69 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
You know what the real fun stuff to watch will be?
Watching all the fence sitters and naysayers suddenly scrambling to get a piece of the pie.
You mean like suddenly out of the blues comes...
International Commission on Afghanistan Lithium Mining for Developing Countries?
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Van Helsing Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:26:35pm |
re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm not so starry-eyed to deny reality, but I do have hope for certain things. They may be unrealistic hopes, but I still have them.
I have those, too.
Hard to hang on to.
I'll never do anything but support my eldest regardless of the mission. Period.
I can do nothing else.
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Kragar Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:26:48pm |
re: #71 Gus 802
You mean like suddenly out of the blues comes...
International Commission on Afghanistan Lithium Mining for Developing Countries?
I expect aid will be flowing a little more freely into Afghanistan now that a tangible payoff is possible.
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:27:02pm |
re: #71 Gus 802
Out of the blue.
Forgot the abstract.
The Western nations fund the mining and for the minerals and give the minerals to the developing countries at below market value.
We could have worldwide conferences, seminars, books, junkets, etc. Then set up a special commission in the UN. Perhaps let it be led by the Ugandan delegation.
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:28:34pm |
re: #74 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I expect aid will be flowing a little more freely into Afghanistan now that a tangible payoff is possible.
True. But the Western nations is Stan Marsh.
China is Eric Cartman.
/
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Kragar Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:29:01pm |
re: #75 Gus 802
Out of the blue.
Forgot the abstract.
The Western nations fund the mining and for the minerals and give the minerals to the developing countries at below market value.
We could have worldwide conferences, seminars, books, junkets, etc. Then set up a special commission in the UN. Perhaps let it be led by the Ugandan delegation.
I'm sure Pakistan and Iran would step up and be willing to oversee operations for their neighbor. In the name of goodwill and friendship of course.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:29:30pm |
re: #73 Van Helsing
Best of luck to your eldest. I hope he/she returns alive and well. I don't like to gush too much, but I have a lot of respect for those who serve.
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lostlakehiker Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:30:08pm |
re: #4 Slumbering Behemoth
May they reap a new found prosperity that denies the Dark Ages thinking of the Taliban any foothold.
But that rarely happens. Mineral wealth is a curse to third world countries. The fountain of money it brings goes to warlords and corruption, and the ordinary people lose even their original meager livings. It's been the same story over and over. And the U.S. isn't going to have a protectorate over the place, even assuming we are so good that we would not allow that to happen on our watch.
Look at Nigeria. Or Peru, when Spain found silver there. This discovery is good for the world, because batteries need lithium and lithium is scarce and we can't have an electric economy without batteries. But it's at best ambiguous news for Afghanistan.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:30:17pm |
re: #70 Van Helsing
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Jimmah - I'm going to make a horrible assumption based on past postings - Are you a progressive? if so, can you provide a current synopsis of your view of progressivism?
Serious question.
You know that scene in the Ten Commandments when they build a golden calf and start an orgy?
Essentially that, with perhaps a few more social provisions thrown in.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:32:32pm |
re: #79 lostlakehiker
I know. I just like to hope against hope sometimes.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:35:32pm |
re: #80 Jimmah
First you confuse progressives with democrats, now you're confusing them with anarchists. Sheesh. Next thing you know, you're gonna start buying Chrysler parts for a Honda.
/I got car issues stuck on my brain.
//No, I don't wanna talk about it. I've already hogged enough thread-space bitching/asking about my car.
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:35:52pm |
re: #77 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I'm sure Pakistan and Iran would step up and be willing to oversee operations for their neighbor. In the name of goodwill and friendship of course.
That will have to wait though. There's still this issue of AFPAK and the Taliban. The Taliban is a creation of Pakistan. Pakistan and Iraq have little experience with surface mining. The nations that would be ideal would be USA, Canada, Brazil, China, and Russia. But, until they become stabilized right now we're just looking at "futures." Additionally it has to be a private venture.
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Van Helsing Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:37:30pm |
re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth
Best of luck to your eldest. I hope he/she returns alive and well. I don't like to gush too much, but I have a lot of respect for those who serve.
Thanks Sleepy Huge Monster.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:38:27pm |
Attn Gus: some overnight dubplate riddims. Mash it up!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:38:49pm |
:sigh: It's sad to think that a giant mineral boon would in fact be a net bane to certain societies/cultures.
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Van Helsing Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:39:58pm |
re: #80 Jimmah
Not familiar with the movie. The biblical account yes.
Not the movie.
Really. Please let me know.
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:41:25pm |
re: #85 Jimmah
Attn Gus: some overnight dubplate riddims. Mash it up!
[Video]
I'm still recovering. And it's almost Monday! Yuck, I hate Mondays.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:41:35pm |
BBL, I've got to get busy sucking bags for a bit.
/What? I got some new Space Bags to condense the blanket closet. Why y'all looking at me like that?
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:44:20pm |
re: #86 Slumbering Behemoth
:sigh: It's sad to think that a giant mineral boon would in fact be a net bane to certain societies/cultures.
Just need an engineering group and a lot of these...
[Link: www.eltrakbulgaria.com...]
Regular Cat site won't open.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:47:27pm |
re: #87 Van Helsing
Not familiar with the movie. The biblical account yes.
Not the movie.
Really. Please let me know.
I'm sorry - the hour is late and I was temporarily given over to frivolity. I think this video should address your question more directly and expansively :
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Van Helsing Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:48:28pm |
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:56:24pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 10:59:09pm |
re: #94 Jimmah
Thanks dude. Being on the low-end of broke sucks, especially when your car breaks down. I'm learning some new stuff, though. My car mechanic knowledge may level-up past "novice" with this bullshit.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:00:45pm |
re: #94 Jimmah
BTW, that upding was for wishing me luck, not that crappy music video. :P
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:00:49pm |
re: #93 Van Helsing
Ok. Now I understand. Progressives are gay robots with no other real agenda.
Huh. I thought it would be more complex.
Did the progressive gay robots have a progressiveeconomy plan?
Thanks,
The progressive agenda:
1. Have ghey sex
2. Support gay sex
3. Build gay robots.
4. PROFIT!1!
5. Redistribute the ghey robot wealth.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:04:50pm |
re: #98 Jimmah
The progressive agenda:
Which, strangely enough, is completely at odds with the Gay Agenda.
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Bagua Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:06:54pm |
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Van Helsing Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:07:04pm |
re: #100 Slumbering Behemoth
Only if you depend such antiquated ideas as 'rationality'.
a+b=c ALWAYS
Silly human...
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:08:39pm |
re: #96 Van Helsing
I'm also curious - how much money did you send to the US IRS beyond the basic amount owed? They don't send out the jack-booted thugs with guns unless you UNDER pay, you know.
Someone appears to be suffering from progressively worsening butthurt!
So what did you and M Moore send?
How much did you and Ted Nugent send to the UK Inland Revenue, genius? You both live in the US so you must know each other./
Just curious, I know it would inspire me to send more to the federal government.
So how patriotic do you feel?
Consider yourself so inspired, then.
I feel as patriotic as a wingnut on Fourth of July who's sitting in the warm spot vacated by Glenn Beck. My pants throb with a mighty sense of accomplishment.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:08:44pm |
re: #102 Van Helsing
Heh, the link I provided was a Red Herring. Here is The Real Gay Agenda.
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ClaudeMonet Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:08:46pm |
re: #99 Van Helsing
Ok.
Thanks for that concise explanation.
I'm sorry, but I don't see where that agenda will help the 'global nation 'at all.
Thank you for your input.
That's to be done with the wealth of "the rich", which is defined as "anyone with more money than me and my friends and a voting record that doesn't correspond 100% with that of me and my friends"./
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:13:02pm |
Ouch. This has to sting just a little. Or not.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:15:04pm |
re: #103 Jimmah
Someone appears to be suffering from progressively worsening butthurt!
Hmm... Seemed to me Van was playing along with you. Maybe not. What do I know? Sarcasm and goofiness is so hard to detect when one has no visual cues to interpret.
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Velvet Elvis Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:15:26pm |
Have ya'll over here ready this shit?
U.S. Identifies Vast Riches of Minerals in AfghanistanWASHINGTON — The United States has discovered nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan, far beyond any previously known reserves and enough to fundamentally alter the Afghan economy and perhaps the Afghan war itself, according to senior American government officials.
The previously unknown deposits — including huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium — are so big and include so many minerals that are essential to modern industry that Afghanistan could eventually be transformed into one of the most important mining centers in the world, the United States officials believe.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
I've been avoiding this place because I don't want to get involved in any Israel related flamewars, but the discussion of this on Kos is pissing me the fuck off.
We can't let the Talis have control of this or they could end up working deals with the Chinese or even the Russians to get a real air force and cruise missiles.
I don't care if China takes half the loot, we're doing the same in South America, I just don't want to see an even richer Taliban.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:17:20pm |
re: #107 Slumbering Behemoth
Hmm... Seemed to me Van was playing along with you. Maybe not. What do I know? Sarcasm and goofiness is so hard to detect when one has no visual cues to interpret.
I wish you were right, but sadly it doesn't look that way to me.
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Velvet Elvis Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:18:28pm |
Sorry, I've been drinking, but that just pissed me off so I thought I'd come over here and vent.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:21:51pm |
re: #108 Conservative Moonbat
I just don't want to see an even richer Taliban.
No sensible person does. I want to be optimistic, but the more I think on the observations Lizards have made here, the more I think this could end up screwing the people of Afghanistan rather than helping them.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:23:29pm |
re: #110 Conservative Moonbat
Sorry, I've been drinking, but that just pissed me off so I thought I'd come over here and vent.
What about it has pissed you off? That isn't so obvious in your original post.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:26:04pm |
re: #111 Van Helsing
You do realize that Jimmah spends most of his time in the UK, no?
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:26:46pm |
re: #111 Van Helsing
What part of that would indicate 'butthurt'?
I'm just asking, above and beyond your basic Federal Tax obligation did you pay?
A percentage is fine. I'm not asking for IDs or anything. progressives think
Every single post of yours indicated butthurt, fucknut.
1. Who the FUCK do you think you are to ask anyone what they pay in taxes?
2. Why THE FUCK are you persisting in the delusion that a non-US citizen LIKE JIMMAH pays US taxes?
Or maybe you're aware that Jimmah isn't a US citizen or resident, and this is your way of implying that LGF members who aren't US citizens don't have a right to an opinion.
So which is it? You're evil, stupid, or both.
BTW, it's asshole posts like yours, demanding not once but twice to know what someone pays in taxes purely as a 'show me your papers' exercise because you think he's a progressive that is making people like Conservative Moonbat and others take a break from this place.
Well-played, tool.
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:27:09pm |
re: #116 freetoken
You do realize that Jimmah spends most of his time in the UK, no?
Shhh! It was more fun without him knowing that. You know foot in the mouth and all that.
//
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Bagua Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:28:20pm |
re: #108 Conservative Moonbat
We can't let the Talis have control of this or they could end up working deals with the Chinese or even the Russians to get a real air force and cruise missiles.
It would take them 35 years to develop a full infrastructure to mine, that would be a near miracle, what with the centuries of warfare and all. Best case scenario, they get some basic infrastructure taking a baby step into the modern world.
There is no stretch of the imagination that they would have an air-force or cruise missile capacity appearing in Afghanistan, certainly not at the hands of the Taliban.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:30:41pm |
re: #96 Van Helsing
I'm also curious - how much money did you send to the US IRS beyond the basic amount owed? They don't send out the jack-booted thugs with guns unless you UNDER pay, you know.
So what did you and M Moore send?
Just curious, I know it would inspire me to send more to the federal government.
So how patriotic do you feel?
WOLVERINES!1!
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:31:24pm |
re: #118 Gus 802
Shhh! It was more fun without him knowing that. You know foot in the mouth and all that.
//
Foot up ass. :)
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:32:14pm |
re: #121 iceweasel
Foot up ass. :)
But then the foot gets the poo-poo! The poo-poo is no goo-goo on the foo-foo.
//
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:33:11pm |
Well, this has certainly taken a strange turn. Anyhow, I have a question...
Fuckin' magnets. How do they work?
/in case anyone has missed it been living in a cave.
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freetoken Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:34:23pm |
re: #119 Bagua
While I agree with you that the Taliban and the native Afghanis have no hope of building the infrastructure on their own, the Chinese are doing wonders in Africa in expanding industrial scale mining and harvesting (to the detriment of the rest of the environment.)
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ClaudeMonet Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:35:28pm |
re: #106 Slumbering Behemoth
Ouch. This has to sting just a little. Or not.
While I'm sympathetic to this man's cause (even though I'm not gay), he should realize that there are causes that are a little higher on the President's agenda right now. Little things like wars, the economy, the oil spill, etc.
I realize that this is heresy to those who believe in one particular cause, but there are a host of issues. It's not that [fill in the particular cause] isn't important, it's that it's not the ONLY thing. Even Presidents Kennedy and Johnson waited a good long time to "get around" to civil rights legislation, which effected far more Americans, and that it passed was a tribute not only to the cause but also to President Johnson using both the memory of JFK and his own legendary ability to twist arms in the legislative branch.
Repealing DADT is a start. The fact that further legislation has not yet been passed doesn't mean the President is ignoring you or that he's abandoned you. Work locally and individually for your cause, and IF things go well, perhaps you can get your legislative wish. In the meantime, as the old farmer's saying goes, "Pray for rain, but keep on hoeing."
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:37:23pm |
re: #123 Slumbering Behemoth
Well, this has certainly taken a strange turn. Anyhow, I have a question...
Fuckin' magnets. How do they work?
/in case anyone has
missed itbeen living in a cave.
I reluctantly saw that video once before.
I intend for that to be the last time.
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Bagua Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:40:21pm |
re: #124 freetoken
While I agree with you that the Taliban and the native Afghanis have no hope of building the infrastructure on their own, the Chinese are doing wonders in Africa in expanding industrial scale mining and harvesting (to the detriment of the rest of the environment.)
To be clear, my point is that it will be miraculous if it can happen due to the warfare. With real security it would self finance through investments, both corporate and aid. Meaning there would not be that much money left over for a posh air-force. Achieving basic roads and plant within the next 50 years is probably the upper limit of what is possible for that nation and those resources.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:41:58pm |
re: #127 Gus 802
It's a guilty pleasure of mine. It's like a train wreck minus the death and destruction, plus a fuck-ton of unintentional humor. I can't stop looking at it.
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KronoGhazi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:44:37pm |
This may get me banned since Charles is probably a LAYDOWNker fan, but what they heck:
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:45:50pm |
re: #124 freetoken
While I agree with you that the Taliban and the native Afghanis have no hope of building the infrastructure on their own, the Chinese are doing wonders in Africa in expanding industrial scale mining and harvesting (to the detriment of the rest of the environment.)
Hence my analogy of China to Cartman. China will sweep into Afghanistan and Get-R-Done without much thought or emphasis on Western regulatory protocol or human resources management, etc. The Western nations will be like Stan Marsh trying to figure out all of the right procedures and follow the rule and regulations. Cartman always get all of the snacks in the end and unlike South Park China always wins at this game.
Keep in mind too that China has greater use for copper and lithium which feeds their industrial base. On the other hand, the USA barely has a need for those minerals due to the almost non-existent industry. Odds are already, before this discovery, that lithium batteries were going to be imported from China.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:46:02pm |
re: #125 Van Helsing
It's the gov't, more so than the people. I'd wager the average citizen over there would love nothing more than to live their lives un-fuckered by such backwards, tribalistic influences.
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:46:52pm |
re: #131 Van Helsing
I don't recall asking asking for his 'papers'
If someone is going to comment on policy that affects US tax payers, then I would expect a response that says ' I'm not a US taxpayer, so I have no real reason make any statement regarding US policies.
Any statement I might make is a akin to Van Helsing saying that any one in the UK should be granted full rights under the US Constitution while they're in France.In other words, noise - worth nothing.
Have a nice day.
I'm neither evil, or stupid. If you you have any points beyond ad hominem attacks.. i'm sure I can count on you to let me know.
OK, now I'm curious.
How much did you pay in your Afghanistan tax return?
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KronoGhazi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:47:28pm |
re: #127 Gus 802
I'd rather get Rick Rolled than ICP'ed. Don't do that again or you may start a RickRollWar. Seriously, don't f*** with me. I might KajaGooGoo your ass.
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:48:19pm |
Foreigners can't say anything about the USA because they don't pay US taxes yet Americans can say whatever they wish about foreign countries? Give me a minute to think that one through.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:53:43pm |
re: #136 BigPapa
Whatever you got, you better bring it strong BP. RacerX and I have been dueling with each other on the "Suprise, this link is actually a fucked up music video" front for the last two years.
We have honed our skills nicely in this competition, and also have become quite deranged in the process.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:54:55pm |
re: #131 Van Helsing
I don't recall asking asking for his 'papers'
If someone is going to comment on policy that affects US tax payers, then I would expect a response that says ' I'm not a US taxpayer, so I have no real reason make any statement regarding US policies.
Thanks for confirming that your purpose IS to tell people who aren't in the US that they 'don't have any reason' to post here about anything regarding the US.
Have you filled Charles in yet on the commenting policy here on his own blog? Thanks so much.
Any statement I might make is a akin to Van Helsing saying that any one in the UK should be granted full rights under the US Constitution while they're in France.
Here you demonstrate your total inability to construct a applicable analogy. It's not really that surprising, given that you opened by claiming you 'weren't asking for papers' and then went on to do exactly that.
In other words, noise - worth nothing.
Have a nice day.
I'm neither evil, or stupid. If you you have any points beyond ad hominem attacks.. i'm sure I can count on you to let me know.
Says the moron who opened with ad hominem attacks, implying that Jimmah was a tax cheat of some sort and impugning his patriotism. The moron who then ended by saying "I'm not calling for papers"--- and then called for papers. Which is what you did by claiming that non-Us taxpayers have 'no reason' to comment on LGF about US issues. You absolutely were implying that they have no right to comment about them.
Guess what: it's not 'ad hom' to point out that a stupid attack is indeed stupid, and to infer that the person making stupid and evil comments is in fact stupid and evil.
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KronoGhazi Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:56:31pm |
re: #140 Slumbering Behemoth
Game F******* ON! Beware of being Shatnered, it's my personal favorite.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:57:33pm |
re: #134 Van Helsing
Make comment on US policy, I assume you have a reason to.
I assume you have a reason to tell people from other countries not to comment on LGF about the US.
I assume you have a reason to be actively seeking to cut down Charles's traffic, rather than increase it.
Oh wait, you do have a reason. It's just the 'progressive' people here you don't like commenting about the US if they aren't US tax payers. Please provide links to you raising this issue over Canadian conservative posters here. Thanks in advance.
Another butthurt wingnut pining for the days of yore.
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Gus Sun, Jun 13, 2010 11:59:07pm |
re: #143 Van Helsing
I don't live in Afghanistan. My Federal Income (joint) was about 32,000.
That's Federal Income Tax. Not FICA or anything else. Just Federal Fucking Income Tax. About (after allowed deductions, business expenses, etc,) 22% of Gross Income. Doesn't not include the self-employed bit of my wife - 15000 (15%) because she's self employed...Damn fucking right I get pissy when people start talking about federal taxes.
Next fucking question?
Do you wear boxers or briefs?
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Kragar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:00:03am |
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:00:24am |
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:01:12am |
re: #143 Van Helsing
I don't live in Afghanistan. My Federal Income (joint) was about 32,000.
That's Federal Income Tax. Not FICA or anything else. Just Federal Fucking Income Tax. About (after allowed deductions, business expenses, etc,) 22% of Gross Income. Doesn't not include the self-employed bit of my wife - 15000 (15%) because she's self employed...Damn fucking right I get pissy when people start talking about federal taxes.
Next fucking question?
Are you a top or bottom? Missionary or doggy style?
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:02:18am |
re: #138 Van Helsing
Assertions are fun things.
I asked for a fact.
If Jimmah doesn't reside in the US and is not subject to US tax, fine. Just say so.
It's been said, multiple times. You kept going there. Or perhaps you were too stupid to realise you'd been answered.
Why do you think people who don't pay US taxes can't participate in conversations about the US?
Do you also believe this about citizens who don't reside in the US, but pay taxes? Please explain.
I ask again: have you ever raised this issue about conservative posters here? Take your time.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:04:10am |
re: #150 Van Helsing
Nice weasel.
Curious - When you go to visit Jimmah or vice-cersa, (assuming you are not US citizens as your post implies) do you have to or it have to present a passport to gain entry to the target country?
Yes or no should suffice except for those special places in an 'economic zone'.
BTW. I love the implied racist bit. You should stick with with 'bigot'. Much simpler to deal with especially when the target's of your disaffection's kids are half Hispanic.
Fool.
VH
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:06:29am |
re: #125 Van Helsing
I really hate A-stan.
My eldest will be going there within a year I fear. He's already done done two two tours in Iraq.
We are all fortunate to have men like your son who are willing to protect us.
I too am very upset over the Afghanistan surge. It is the wrong strategy. The US and allies should redeploy to bases and keep pressure on the terrorist with air-strikes, UAVs, and artillery. They should only venture out with a profile that makes US casualties near impossible.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:07:40am |
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:08:31am |
re: #154 Bagua
Chill Gus, click his icon, he is not the same Van Helsing.
Oh, OK. I take it back.
Anyway. Tired of his bullshit drama queen act. BBL
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:08:58am |
re: #142 BigPapa
Game F*** ON! Beware of being Shatnered, it's my personal favorite.
Good, good. I shall dutifully fail to mention your inclusion in this little game to RacerX. That is the one and only courtesy I shall extend to you on this particular front. But be warned, RacerX is a formidable opponent.
P.S...
Beware of being Shatnered
You've already screwed up by playing your cards so far from your vest. Unless that was a ruse, in which case good on you.
This is an old one long since played, but I'll extend you one more courtesy just so you know what you'll be in for. Enjoy the tip of the iceberg.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:09:06am |
re: #155 Gus 802
Oh, OK. I take it back.
Anyway. Tired of his bullshit drama queen act. BBL
Sleep well brother.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:10:28am |
re: #146 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Thats not really a "fucking" question.
That's more of a "pre-game" question, if you know what I mean.
/wink wink, nudge nudge
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:13:23am |
re: #150 Van Helsing
Nice weasel.
Curious - When you go to visit Jimmah or vice-cersa, (assuming you are not US citizens as your post implies) do you have to or it have to present a passport to gain entry to the target country?
Yes or no should suffice except for those special places in an 'economic zone'.
BTW. I love the implied racist bit. You should stick with with 'bigot'. Much simpler to deal with especially when the target's of your disaffection's kids are half Hispanic.
Fool.
VH
Been awhile since someone asked me here for my birth certificate. Back in the day I was asked several times a day.
Naturally, Jimmah and I, like all good transnational progressives, commute by private plane paid for by George Soros, and have many different passports.
Why do you want fewer people to comment on LGF? Because that's what you're saying when you inform fellow commenters they have 'no reason' to comment here.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:13:38am |
re: #151 Gus 802
I wish I was that good.. Click on my profile - I explicitly state that I'm Not That Smart - ( or the Real Van Helsing)
It was brought up one night a long time ago that we needed Van Helsing and torches and pitchforks... I do native uprisings, and I just figgered I'd grab that.
I'd be happy to change to change my nic to something else.. and I should ought to to check with the lizard king about doing that.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:13:54am |
re: #151 Gus 802
I'm not getting that vibe at all.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:15:33am |
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freetoken Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:17:57am |
rollin...rollin...rollin...
[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]
Remember the other night I posted about a quake I felt, which first was listed as a 4.8 over near Borrego, then downgraded to a 4.4? Anyway, looks like the USGS is now saying there were two quakes, a couple of miles apart, first a 4.9 then a 4.4, separated by 27 seconds.
Godzilla is marching NW, underground. All you in LA should be on a lookout for a giant fire breathing lizard.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:18:10am |
What a fantastic quote
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:19:20am |
re: #141 iceweasel
What's happenin', Ice, is there some shit going down in this thread? :D
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:20:54am |
re: #166 WindUpBird
I've been waiting for you to pop up, just so I could kick your proggy ass. Kidding, been wanting to show you this...
A wound up bird for the WindUpBird.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:22:04am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:29:22am |
re: #164 Van Helsing
You're a drama queen. You started out with what was pretty clearly a trolling comment. Jimmah responded to you by mocking you with silly videos and not engaging.
Then you decided to demand his tax returns and impugn his patriotism, and tell him he and all other non-US people have no right to comment on LGF.
So see, it's been perfectly obvious that you were trolling all along.
Now you're slandering Gus, and now you have me to deal with.
You're a drama queen who is also actively seeking to cut down Charles's traffic by telling people they have no 'reason' to comment here. Why are you doing that?
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:30:49am |
re: #171 Van Helsing
To rephrase slightly, when you travel on Soros' plane, do you have to to show your passports in the country you land in?Is that simple enough for you? Whether you fly Lufthansa, BOAC, what the fuck ever, when you enter a country other than in the Economic Zone that issued you passport, do you have to show them your papers when you land?
To rephrase not at all:
You're a drama queen who is also actively seeking to cut down Charles's traffic by telling some people they have no 'reason' to comment here. Why are you doing that?
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:33:51am |
Funny thing about Switzerland. Your income statements are private, but the amount you have paid in taxes is listed publicly.
This has been known to have the odd effect of motivating people to actually pay more taxes than they had to in order to look imposing on the tax rolls.
And I assume to add weight to their political discussions, after all, the one who pays more in taxes has a more valid opinion, right?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:35:06am |
Feh. I do believe I shall retire to my coveted Hyperbolic Chamber, so that I might recharge in anticipation for the next round of overblown seriousness.
G'nite Lizards.
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Kruk Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:37:57am |
More on the plan to strip citizenship from the children of illegal immigrants. What I love is the claim that it'll survive constitutional challenge because "we'll write it right". How the heck do you twist the words of the 14th Ammendment around so that someone born in the US isn't a citizen?
[Link: www.time.com...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:38:00am |
re: #175 Slumbering Behemoth
Feh. I do believe I shall retire to my coveted Hyperbolic Chamber, so that I might recharge in anticipation for the next round of overblown seriousness.
Right. Getting upset over someone telling people what they do and don't have 'reason' to comment on is like so overblown. So first amendment-y, so unserious.
Not mad at you SB, of course. Good luck with car and good night.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:40:42am |
re: #176 Kruk
More on the plan to strip citizenship from the children of illegal immigrants. What I love is the claim that it'll survive constitutional challenge because "we'll write it right". How the heck do you twist the words of the 14th Ammendment around so that someone born in the US isn't a citizen?
[Link: www.time.com...]
Well, we have someone in this thread who wants to strip LGF citizenship from all non-US people. (oh wait, no, just the non-wingnut types, who as we all know are ferrin and exotic anyway).
Anyway-- yeah. I love how Consitution fetishes typically only apply to parts of it. Tenth amendment good! 14th bad!
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:42:01am |
re: #179 Van Helsing
Oh. By the way. Typical Useless Progressive,
"I don't think, therefore I smear"
9_9
Just can't leave it alone, can you?
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:42:49am |
re: #178 Van Helsing
It's none of your business what passports the commenters here hold. If any.
Real simple.
As is this:
You're a drama queen who is also actively seeking to cut down Charles's traffic by telling some people they have no 'reason' to comment here. Why are you doing that?
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Kruk Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:44:43am |
re: #180 iceweasel
Anyway-- yeah. I love how Consitution fetishes typically only apply to parts of it. Tenth amendment good! 14th bad!
Yep, I'm finding the current expressions of unease with the 14th Ammendment (first Rand Paul, then these guys) a little disturbing to say the least. It's only been part of the Constitution for over a century.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:45:48am |
re: #181 Van Helsing
Absolute, epic, fail no answer.
Answer the damn question, weasel.
Neither you, nor anyone here, has the right to demand personal information from anyone here.
Neither you, nor anyone here (except Charles), has the right to demand that anyone else answer your questions.
You're a drama queen who is also actively seeking to cut down Charles's traffic by telling some people they have no 'reason' to comment here. Why are you doing that?
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:47:19am |
re: #176 Kruk
More on the plan to strip citizenship from the children of illegal immigrants. What I love is the claim that it'll survive constitutional challenge because "we'll write it right". How the heck do you twist the words of the 14th Ammendment around so that someone born in the US isn't a citizen?
[Link: www.time.com...]
Been reading about that. Their argument is that to the Founding Fathers, there were not undocumented immigrants, or illegal ones, just settlers.
As far as I know, the USA is the only country that allows such a thing, and it serves as a major magnet for attracting illegal immigrants.
I will go out on a limb here and say that I would not oppose instituting such a measure but ONLY if it were part of a comprehensive and effective package of immigration legislation reform.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:48:30am |
re: #184 Kruk
Yep, I'm finding the current expressions of unease with the 14th Ammendment (first Rand Paul, then these guys) a little disturbing to say the least. It's only been part of the Constitution for over a century.
I think someone needs to do an indepth look at the current wingnut movements around the tenth and fourteenth amendments.
Tentherism has gotten a good amount of coverage at American prospect and think progress and splc, but no one's pulled it all together. And I really haven't seen enough attention paid to the 14th amendment stuff, which I find extremely troubling and I think is going to grow. Like tentherism it's a natural outlet for the teaparty movement.
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freetoken Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:49:58am |
re: #187 ralphieboy
As far as I know, the USA is the only country that allows such a thing, and it serves as a major magnet for attracting illegal immigrants.
The term is "jus soli", and there is more to it than one might imagine:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:50:12am |
re: #186 Van Helsing
I never, NEVER, used citizenship as a criteria for posting here. Fool.
If you would be so kind as to quote the post where I do that please do so. If I have said so I will apologize now.
Waiting, with breath abated, weasel...
She can't because you never did. It is an over-dramatisation.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:50:59am |
re: #186 Van Helsing
I never, NEVER, used citizenship as a criteria for posting here. Fool.
If you would be so kind as to quote the post where I do that please do so. If I have said so I will apologize now.
Waiting, with breath abated, weasel...
It's already been quoted, fucknut. You've made more than one.
You have explicitly stated more than once that you think people not paying US taxes 'have no reason' to comment on US issues here.
You're a drama queen who is also actively seeking to cut down Charles's traffic by telling some people they have no 'reason' to comment here. Why are you doing that?
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freetoken Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:51:25am |
The wiki article mentions 34 countries that have some form of jus soli. Not sure they all execute it the same, but at least buy into the general concept.
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ClaudeMonet Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:51:45am |
re: #186 Van Helsing
I never, NEVER, used citizenship as a criteria for posting here. Fool.
If you would be so kind as to quote the post where I do that please do so. If I have said so I will apologize now.
Waiting, with breath abated, weasel...
Calling people names is always a fine way to win friends and influence people.
Why don't you just drop the whole thing?
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:52:57am |
re: #193 Van Helsing
I forget, is repetition of a lie #2 or #3 of the Propaganda Express.
Again, provide a quote that says what you allege.
Please do better than you have have. It just makes you damn fool progressiveslook like damn fools
But I repeat myself.Best Regards,
VH
Spot on. Take care mate.
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ClaudeMonet Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:56:42am |
re: #189 freetoken
The term is "jus soli", and there is more to it than one might imagine:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Upding for the link. Thanks for increasing my knowledge on the immigration subject.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:58:39am |
re: #195 Van Helsing
THEN QOUTE THE DAMN POST POST iceweasel.
Oh, you need it again? the bit you've known about all along?
If someone is going to comment on policy that affects US tax payers, then I would expect a response that says ' I'm not a US taxpayer, so I have no real reason make any statement regarding US policies.
and many more. Every comment I've responded to, in which you demand to know about Jimmah's tax situation, impugn his patriotism, demand to know what passports we travel on, etc etc.
Why do you think it's a good idea to tell non-US people they have 'no reason' to comment on LGF?
There are three comments by you stating that. Go find them yourself, troll.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:58:56am |
re: #189 freetoken
The term is "jus soli", and there is more to it than one might imagine:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I am aware of that, and Germany just switched its criteria for granting citizenship from nationality (of the father) to place of birth in 2000.
But they restrict citizenship only to those who are born here to legally resident parents.
But the whole question of "legal residence" is a relatively modern one, even passports were not common until the XIX century; people travelled and settled wherever they could make a living.
Europe's big trade and industrial centers, lke those of America, were always melting pots of various nationalities.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:59:29am |
re: #96 Van Helsing
I'm also curious - how much money did you send to the US IRS beyond the basic amount owed? They don't send out the jack-booted thugs with guns unless you UNDER pay, you know.
So what did you and M Moore send?
Just curious, I know it would inspire me to send more to the federal government.
So how patriotic do you feel?
Van Helsing
This is just the biggest limp dick douche comment ever
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:00:25am |
re: #199 iceweasel
I'm guessing VANNN HELLLSSSING isn't all up in Spare O'Lake's grill for being Canadian and weighing in on US policy. :D
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ryannon Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:01:06am |
re: #5 Irenicum
I saw that link a little while ago. Should be interesting to see what impact it has.
More fighting over who controls mineral rights. Think Blood Diamonds in Africa or oil in Nigeria.
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ryannon Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:02:21am |
re: #14 laZardo
If it replaces opium as Afghanistan's primary export, I'll be content with that at least.
No way.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:03:09am |
re: #203 Van Helsing
I have no fear or shame of admitting wrongs I've done.
I'm still waiting to see said re-posted here.
Thanks for you support,
VH
Of course the idea is to anger you, hope you'll get mad and go away. Or say something angry in return that they can howl about. You're best off ignoring it like I do, drives traffic away from the site.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:04:08am |
re: #201 WindUpBird
This is just the biggest limp dick douche comment ever
I take it you never saw the interview with Michael Moore and Bill o'reilly?
Doesn't really matter who it was.
If you think the federal government can spend your money better than you can when comes when it comes to local issues of charity, schools, streets, etc., then why do you not send them more money than the IRS says you owe?
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ryannon Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:04:33am |
re: #25 MandyManners
Yeah, all that really worked out well, didn't it?
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:05:27am |
re: #202 WindUpBird
I'm guessing VANNN HELLLSSSING isn't all up in Spare O'Lake's grill for being Canadian and weighing in on US policy. :D
Exactly.
You know, Jimmah is sitting right here and he immediately said that to me.
I said, I'm going to mention that this douchebag hasn't bitched about this when it involves conservative posters, but I won't mention names because why drag people who aren't doing anything wrong into that smeghead VH's mess.
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Kruk Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:06:26am |
re: #200 ralphieboy
I am aware of that, and Germany just switched its criteria for granting citizenship from nationality (of the father) to place of birth in 2000.
But they restrict citizenship only to those who are born here to legally resident parents.
But the whole question of "legal residence" is a relatively modern one, even passports were not common until the XIX century; people travelled and settled wherever they could make a living.
Europe's big trade and industrial centers, lke those of America, were always melting pots of various nationalities.
If the 14th Ammendment was a stand-alone that dealt solely with the citizenship of children of immigrants, I would have no concerns about a constitutional ammendment being proposed and discussed. Given all the other rights the Ammendment guarantees though (and the hostility it's been attracting lately), I would be very uneasy about any changes to it. There are far too many possibilities for poison pills to be slipped in that would gut the 14th.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:07:50am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:09:02am |
re: #210 Kruk
If the 14th Ammendment was a stand-alone that dealt solely with the citizenship of children of immigrants, I would have no concerns about a constitutional ammendment being proposed and discussed. Given all the other rights the Ammendment guarantees though (and the hostility it's been attracting lately), I would be very uneasy about any changes to it. There are far too many possibilities for poison pills to be slipped in that would gut the 14th.
I share your reservations; any changes to the 14th Amendment would have to be dealt with as part of a comprehensive and effective package of immigration reform, which would have to embrace issues starting from regulating border traffic to registering and tracking the status of legal immigrants.
None of which is likely in the near future.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:09:28am |
re: #207 Van Helsing
lol@u.
I take it you never saw the interview with Michael Moore and Bill o'reilly?
and, to Jimmah:
I'm also curious - how much money did you send to the US IRS beyond the basic amount owed? They don't send out the jack-booted thugs with guns unless you UNDER pay, you know.
So what did you and M Moore send?
HOLY SHIT, JIMMAH IS BILL O'REILLY?!? ANNULMENT!
....
HOLY SHIT, I'm MICHAEL MOORE?!?
I'd still want an annulment.
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:11:55am |
re: #198 Van Helsing
You are a voice of reason.
You may have noticed that when dealing with progressives reason must, be needs be left behind.Sorry. I will not be lied at, on, about, or with by any one. Particularly a progressive. If you let them get them get away with one lie, they'll move on from there until you can't see right from regulation...
OH MY GOD HE IS ITALICIZING THE WORD PROGRESSIVE!!1!.
Each time I check back this thread you managed to have said something stupider than the last time. Your comments are akin to a moron Limbo dance.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:13:23am |
re: #215 Van Helsing
Completely content free.
Bitched about what, exactly?No more than I've come to expect from you.
Assertions, (sound and fury) signifying nothing...Bits on a wire, dots on a screen.
Typically, you don't even get your own reference:
"It is a tale told by an idiot".
That idiot would be you.
Tell us more about 'progressives', Obi-Wank!
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:18:53am |
re: #218 iceweasel
Typically, you don't even get your own reference:
"It is a tale told by an idiot".
That idiot would be you.
Tell us more about 'progressives', Obi-Wank!
I'd actually like to hear about progressive policies from you. Perhaps I can be convinced that my outlook is wrong.
So please, enlighten me.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:19:28am |
re: #219 Van Helsing
And this is most interesting -
lol@u.I take it you never saw the interview with Michael Moore and Bill o'reilly?
and, to Jimmah:
I'm also curious - how much money did you send to the US IRS beyond the basic amount owed? They don't send out the jack-booted thugs with guns unless you UNDER pay, you know.
So what did you and M Moore send?
HOLY SHIT, JIMMAH IS BILL O'REILLY?!? ANNULMENT!
...
HOLY SHIT, I'm MICHAEL MOORE?!?I'd still want an annulment.
None of what you have in that post is real.
Interesting...Why must you make up quotes? If they are not made up, please provide links/quote numbers
OH PLEASE KEEP ANSWERING ME ICEWEASEL PLEASE OH GOD LINK ME OH YES MORE I LOVE THE ATTENTION.
How about you explain to us all again how it's your job to tell people that they have 'no right' to comment on US topics here.
CC Charles on that, because I have this crazy idea that he doesn't think that's your job.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:21:12am |
How about you explain to us all again how it's your job to tell people that they have 'no right' to comment on US topics here.
How about YOU show one post where I've said that?
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:24:10am |
Since the fucknut's goal is clearly to leave a puddle of wingnutty piss on the overnight, driving off sane people and anyone to the left of John McCain v.2.010, I vote for posting on other topics.
Like this one:
Paul On Mountaintop Removal: ‘I Don’t Think Anyone’s Going To Be Missing A Hill Or Two Here And There’
FrEe MaRkEt!1
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:27:35am |
re: #211 Van Helsing
Bagua, I like LGF. there are few times lately where I can really engage in a good discussion because I'm too damn busy.
But I say another ad hominem on 209 (smeghead) that I'm going to re-iterate - not ONCE has the iceweasel posted a quote from me that supports any of it's assertions.
Naturally, you never said any of them. I think our friend is drunk.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:28:58am |
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:29:22am |
OK, maybe I got Chromium to stop freezing up on me (I'm running a hand rolled linux compile)
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:31:42am |
re: #225 Bagua
Naturally, you never said any of them. I think our friend is drunk.
Bagua, I realize you and Jimmah don't get along but Van Helsing went out of his way to harass Jimmah even after Jimmah said he wasn't interested in being serious.
It's the other way around. If anyone is drunk here it's Van Helsing who started off in the previous thread over a mistaken preposition by Freetoken.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:32:41am |
re: #432 Van Helsing
Yet more stupid mis-information. About par for this course.
Like all states, we have a governor.
And besides a niceley worded, positively intended go f**k yourselves to CA (on general principals) maybe we (The Federated States) could sell CA back to Mexico and lease it back.
Or, with all due respect, they may go f**k themselves.
Cheerfully.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:33:25am |
re: #473 Van Helsing
I much rather not subsidize the cost of ANYTHING. if it's illegal immigrants that keep it cheap then that doesn't match my idea of the rule of law and the American Dream.
So fuck you, too. With all due respect.
I'll pay the market cost.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:33:41am |
Vote for Zach. He's the dude in the #1 slot right now. Watch his video and realize that Oprah must give this guy a show or she will now longer be Oprah:
[Link: myown.oprah.com...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:34:37am |
re: #226 Gus 802
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Heh. Wow. Well done!
Oh yeah, but this guy isn't an LGF hater and was totally not trolling at all tonight. I'm just missing the humour./*
*did you see did u did you see what i did there...the Xtra U's are for Utopia!1
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:34:42am |
re: #229 Gus 802
Bagua, I realize you and Jimmah don't get along but Van Helsing went out of his way to harass Jimmah even after Jimmah said he wasn't interested in being serious.
It's the other way around. If anyone is drunk here it's Van Helsing who started off in the previous thread over a mistaken preposition by Freetoken.
I agreed with jimmah's reply so there's no issue there. But this hounding of Van Helsing about things he didn't say strikes me as a bit unnecessarily hostile.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:35:15am |
Classic passive-aggressive behavior. Start off blowing a head gasket then telling people to "go fuck themselves" then pretending to be innocent.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:36:34am |
re: #234 Bagua
I agreed with jimmah's reply so there's no issue there. But this hounding of Van Helsing about things he didn't say strikes me as a bit unnecessarily hostile.
He threw the first punch. If anyone is "hounding" he's doing a fine job of hounding himself.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:37:49am |
re: #227 Van Helsing
once again follows the progressive content free meme of " we're gonna throw something out there by damn,"
Lemme know how well that works for you...
YES WE CAN!
Oh, hey. Yes we did.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:39:08am |
re: #236 Gus 802
Classic passive-aggressive behavior. Start off blowing a head gasket then telling people to "go fuck themselves" then pretending to be innocent.
He and Slumbering Behemoth has a little flair up and patched it up. No bearing on what was allegedly said to jimmah. I side with Jimmah on what was actually said. But the fabrications and the reaction is histrionic.
(Though a bit charming when you consider that love is a part motivation.)
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:39:39am |
re: #233 iceweasel
Heh. Wow. Well done!
Oh yeah, but this guy isn't an LGF hater and was totally not trolling at all tonight. I'm just missing the humour./*
*did you see did u did you see what i did there...the Xtra U's are for Utopia!1
I told him to chill out and he kind of did for a while. Then he blew up again an apologized to "someone" then he came back here on the LNDT to piss all over Jimmah. He knows damn well that Jimmah is a progressive. That whole line of thinking about paying taxes was completely off the wall. If I'm not mistaken I don't think either of you are much Michael Moore fans which he kept using as a meme or attack method.
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ryannon Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:42:36am |
re: #212 Bagua
Hey ryannon, ca va bien?
Another beautiful day in Parisdise. Poopzilla is standing on my forearm, watching me type this message. I can feel the heat of his fat little pigeon feet warming my skin, and I love it.
And top of the morning - or evening to you, Sir!
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:43:02am |
I think I've come in at a moment to complicated for for my drunken mind to follow so I'll just post a few music clips and be on my way.
Here's one of the best live performances of Sweet Jane Lou Reed has done in decades when he got back together with Steve Hunter for a tour:
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:43:51am |
re: #239 Bagua
He and Slumbering Behemoth has a little flair up and patched it up. No bearing on what was allegedly said to jimmah. I side with Jimmah on what was actually said. But the fabrications and the reaction is histrionic.
(Though a bit charming when you consider that love is a part motivation.)
Well, that "tax question" certainly alluded something. I'd ask for an explanation but I'd be afraid to read the answer because it would have something to do with immigration. I think that's what it's been all along anyway. He wants to talk about Arizona and the immigration law there and all that jazz. Frankly, I've never seen him go off the rails like this.
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ryannon Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:50:55am |
In other news, Ralph Lauren opened a flagship boutique on four levels in a superbly renovated Louis IV mansion on the boulevard Saint-Germain. I was a bit dubious about it all until a friend took over for a look-see. It's all very impressive, and has blown the Parisian with-it set totally away, to the point where the courtyard restaurant ($25.00 for a Ralph Lauren hamburger) is booked three months in advance. Amazing place. I can't wait for the summer sales - I spotted some Pearson linen and leather shoes that I've just got to have!
Lauren has manged to bring a positive vibe to the dull, uninspired world of French merchandising. His operation here is pure genius.
| 246 |
Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:51:07am |
Bottle Rockets -- Welfare Music
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:52:26am |
re: #244 Van Helsing
That was a different conversation between me and Slumbering Behemoth.
Lets try to keep my absolute, unbridled, undisguised contempt and disgust for progressives as a different thing. I thought that that was a thing you've listed in #226 there is nothing that addresses the question of 'what is current progressive policy. There is nothing that addresses the question of #70 - What is Jimmahs view of current progressive philosophy?
Or you can just fling pooh. I'm fine with that, too.
You were baiting. Why in the world do you even care about Jimmah's progressive philosophy. Where in the world is it written that he is burdened to explain his philosophy to you or anyone else let alone on the LNDT.
How about you explain your philosophy whatever that may be. In fact how about someone asks you that question shrouded in snark and innuendo and then attempts to equate that philosophy with Rush Limbaugh or better yet Pat Buchanan. Would you like that?
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ryannon Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:53:02am |
re: #242 Conservative Moonbat
I think I've come in at a moment to complicated for for my drunken mind to follow so I'll just post a few music clips and be on my way.
Here's one of the best live performances of Sweet Jane Lou Reed has done in decades when he got back together with Steve Hunter for a tour:
[Video]
I love the Cowboy Junkies' version as well -
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:53:22am |
re: #240 Gus 802
I told him to chill out and he kind of did for a while. Then he blew up again an apologized to "someone" then he came back here on the LNDT to piss all over Jimmah. He knows damn well that Jimmah is a progressive. That whole line of thinking about paying taxes was completely off the wall. If I'm not mistaken I don't think either of you are much Michael Moore fans which he kept using as a meme or attack method.
lol. Michael Moore even as an attack meme is so very 2004.
Whatever. Me, I liked Roger and Me and a few TV episodes of some show he did.
Douchebag VH was clearly trying to start a fight immediately with Jimmah. And every single person here ought to be outraged at the notion that you can't have an opinion on US policies unless you pay US taxes. (Are we going to kick out our Canadian members too? How about Israeli members?)
You know, there is one area where I will absolutely support American exceptionalism in its strongest form always: What happens in America affects the entire world. Consequently any good citizen of any country is going to be very interested in US politics.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:53:36am |
re: #240 Gus 802
I told him to chill out and he kind of did for a while. Then he blew up again an apologized to "someone" then he came back here on the LNDT to piss all over Jimmah. He knows damn well that Jimmah is a progressive. That whole line of thinking about paying taxes was completely off the wall. If I'm not mistaken I don't think either of you are much Michael Moore fans which he kept using as a meme or attack method.
And Jimmah replied. They were actually kidding back and forth. I don't see what earned him all the abuse and invective, he's hardly "evil", Lol. Or a Troll. All he did was ask an awkward question which Jimmah replied to. Like I said, I side with Jimmah on the actual exchange. Let's discuss that if anything, not silly stuff he never said.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:56:38am |
re: #243 Gus 802
Well, that "tax question" certainly alluded something. I'd ask for an explanation but I'd be afraid to read the answer because it would have something to do with immigration. I think that's what it's been all along anyway. He wants to talk about Arizona and the immigration law there and all that jazz. Frankly, I've never seen him go off the rails like this.
Doesn't have boo to do with immigration.
Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Italy , Greece and Spain...
The PIIGS ---
More money going out on government guaranteed pensions than is is coming in.
Correction - minor thing on immigration - I was pushing the point, that when one travels between nations that don't have a common criteria for travel, you MUST have documents with you AT ALL TIMES TO BE EXAMINED ON DEMAND OF THE HOST COUNTRY. I was trying (at one point) to get the weasal and jimmah to address (just answer, respond) to this assertion,
I've been to UK, Germany, Italy, and Spain - always told to have my I with me.
That's US Federal immigration law, and now it's AZ state law (always was, but now law enforcement are REQUIRED (if itis appopropraite) to ask about citizenship or visa status.
BFD.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:58:13am |
re: #241 ryannon
Another beautiful day in Parisdise. Poopzilla is standing on my forearm, watching me type this message. I can feel the heat of his fat little pigeon feet warming my skin, and I love it.
And top of the morning - or evening to you, Sir!
Such a beautiful city, sigh. What are Poopzilla's political leanings by the way? Progressive? Conservative?
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 1:59:33am |
re: #250 Bagua
And Jimmah replied. They were actually kidding back and forth. I don't see what earned him all the abuse and invective, he's hardly "evil", Lol. Or a Troll. All he did was ask an awkward question which Jimmah replied to. Like I said, I side with Jimmah on the actual exchange. Let's discuss that if anything, not silly stuff he never said.
Jimmah is Ice's husband. Remember? I don't blame her one bit.
No, there is nothing to discuss on that end.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:03:04am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:03:14am |
re: #250 Bagua
And Jimmah replied. They were actually kidding back and forth.
No, they weren't.
Jimmah and I immediately identified him as hostile. I told Jimmah to just not engage, make jokes, don't get drawn in. It was glaringly obvious what his intent was.
Then this fuckwad decided to keep going and get more obnoxious and at a certain point (that'd be the second comment about taxes, citizenship, etc) I said fuck that, I'm logging in.
He wasn't joking. WTF is this defense that Jimmah and I should have assumed he was 'joking'? THIS PERSON hasn't even claimed it himself!!!
Bagua, I get that you have issues with Jimmah and you and I sometimes fight-- But seriously, WTF?
I didn't think you were the kind of person to deny reality in service of a personal grudge.
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ryannon Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:04:39am |
re: #253 Bagua
Such a beautiful city, sigh. What are Poopzilla's political leanings by the way? Progressive? Conservative?
He's sooo above partisan politics. If he has a program, it must be something like snoozes, cuddles and beak-tweaks. Pure reciprocal affection and play. It's a fucking South Pacific Atoll here. The original Peaceable Kingdom.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:08:44am |
re: #252 Van Helsing
Doesn't have boo to do with immigration.
Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Italy , Greece and Spain...
The PIIGS ---
More money going out on government guaranteed pensions than is is coming in.Correction - minor thing on immigration - I was pushing the point, that when one travels between nations that don't have a common criteria for travel, you MUST have documents with you AT ALL TIMES TO BE EXAMINED ON DEMAND OF THE HOST COUNTRY. I was trying (at one point) to get the weasal and jimmah to address (just answer, respond) to this assertion,
I've been to UK, Germany, Italy, and Spain - always told to have my I with me.
That's US Federal immigration law, and now it's AZ state law (always was, but now law enforcement are REQUIRED (if itis appopropraite) to ask about citizenship or visa status.
BFD.
Can't you see that you're being flat out aggressive? Why should just Jimmah and Ice answer to your demands especially in the flippant manner that you present them. If I present a topic I do not demand that anyone specific answer my request to get their perspective. You go with the flow and they either do or don't engage.
By the way. There's a big difference between traveling in Europe as a tourist and being a Latino in Arizona with a Spanish accent having to face a bucolic police department within the small towns of the Arizona "frontier".
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:10:28am |
re: #252 Van Helsing
Correction - minor thing on immigration - I was pushing the point, that when one travels between nations that don't have a common criteria for travel, you MUST have documents with you AT ALL TIMES TO BE EXAMINED ON DEMAND OF THE HOST COUNTRY. I was trying (at one point) to get the weasal and jimmah to address (just answer, respond) to this assertion,
What utter bollocks. If you had an issue to raise over that you would have merely raised that issue.
You didn't.
Fact: you demanded to know what Jimmah paid in US taxes, more than once.
Fact: you asserted, more than once, that unless you pay US taxes you 'don't have a reason' to comment on LGF posts about US politics.
Fact: you have repeatedly dodged the question "Why do you want to discourage some non-US people from posting on LGF?"
Fact: You responded to posts by me pointing this out with demands to know what passports Jimmah and I travel under.
Fact: You're engaged in total butthurt passive aggressive, What did I say? I didn't mean that! completely obvious deflection techniques.
Fact: It's not working.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:12:47am |
re: #247 Gus 802
You were baiting. Why in the world do you even care about Jimmah's progressive philosophy. Where in the world is it written that he is burdened to explain his philosophy to you or anyone else let alone on the LNDT.
How about you explain your philosophy whatever that may be. In fact how about someone asks you that question shrouded in snark and innuendo and then attempts to equate that philosophy with Rush Limbaugh or better yet Pat Buchanan. Would you like that?
He has no reason whatsoever to respond to that.
You are quite correct.
However, if we don't discuss our differences it will get quite dull quickly.
What is quite frustrating though, is having words attributed to one that one most emphatically did NOT say or even imply.
As i have said earlier, dots on a screen, bits on a wire.
I'd just love to have my point of view admired as the marvel it is /sarc but I don't see that happening. So I bid y'all adieu, a good day and so long.
Seeing as how I live in Phoenix I've have to expend a HUGE amount of time to oppressing 'undocumented' whatevers.
I particularly despise 'documented' plumbers. Always in the way of 'documented' and 'undocumented' electricians...
Time to go oppress the proles...
Have a good time period (easier that way)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:12:50am |
AGGGGH FUCKING JAZZ DEATH METAL I AM SEEING THESE GUYS LIVE IN JULY IT WILL BE MIGHTY
Okay, I'm better now, just uh thrilled to be alive
| 263 |
Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:13:43am |
Ween -- Blarney Stone -- Live sometime in 1996 in OR
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:13:55am |
re: #261 Van Helsing
You talk like someone who wears a leather trenchcoat and collects Bud K swords
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:17:09am |
re: #257 iceweasel
I'm not siding against you or Jimmah, Iceweasel. I said I agree nobody should have to answer a nationality question if they don't want to on this forum. I thought Jimmah answered it just fine.
I'm just saying you are over-reacting here. There is no evil anything and I don't see were he said non-US citizens shouldn't post here. I think he is talking about the volatile situation in Arizona and you are personalising it. It's probably pushing some buttons with you at the moment.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:19:56am |
re: #261 Van Helsing
He has no reason whatsoever to respond to that.
You are quite correct.
However, if we don't discuss our differences it will get quite dull quickly.What is quite frustrating though, is having words attributed to one that one most emphatically did NOT say or even imply.
As i have said earlier, dots on a screen, bits on a wire.
I'd just love to have my point of view admired as the marvel it is /sarc but I don't see that happening. So I bid y'all adieu, a good day and so long.Seeing as how I live in Phoenix I've have to expend a HUGE amount of time to oppressing 'undocumented' whatevers.
I particularly despise 'documented' plumbers. Always in the way of 'documented' and 'undocumented' electricians...
Time to go oppress the proles...
Have a good time period (easier that way)
Why do you feel so compelled to throw in so many political points? I don't get it. People have argued some of those points before in a normal manner but not by presenting them in one fell swoop.
Seriously, you need to stop acting like a noob. I realize you haven't commented that much here but you should know better. You were baiting and you're behavior makes it look like you don't even know how this place works.
No, I don't think you're going to go out and oppress anyone. I'm sure you're probably a fine person in the real world just like most people. You just need to chill out and focus on one topic at a time and stop obsessing about people you don't like. That and stop signing your posts like a letter.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:20:56am |
re: #260 iceweasel
What utter bollocks. If you had an issue to raise over that you would have merely raised that issue.
You didn't.
Fact: you demanded to know what Jimmah paid in US taxes, more than once.
Demand? Show me.Fact: you asserted, more than once, that unless you pay US taxes you 'don't have a reason' to comment on LGF posts about US politics.
Show me.
Fact: you have repeatedly dodged the question "Why do you want to discourage some non-US people from posting on LGF?"
Show me where I've done that.
Fact: You responded to posts by me pointing this out with demands to know what passports Jimmah and I travel under.
Demand? Show me.Fact: You're engaged in total butthurt passive aggressive, What did I say? I didn't mean that! completely obvious deflection techniques.
Please or please show me.
Fact: It's not working.
Weasel -
Post the fucking references you claim or piss off.
this all started because I had an interest in knowing what progressive philosophy was. Since you don't seem to have an answer for that, fine.
Once again, when you travel outside the US or the EU do you have to have your 'papers' with you?
Yes or no and it reflects on your knowledge and perception of AZ SB1070. Other than that, it just doesn't matter.
Geez.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:23:23am |
re: #265 Bagua
I'm not siding against you or Jimmah, Iceweasel. I said I agree nobody should have to answer a nationality question if they don't want to on this forum. I thought Jimmah answered it just fine.
I'm just saying you are over-reacting here. There is no evil anything and I don't see were he said non-US citizens shouldn't post here. I think he is talking about the volatile situation in Arizona and you are personalising it. It's probably pushing some buttons with you at the moment.
Bagua, the person over-reacting (if we want to call it that, and not provocation) was VH.
The nationality question was answered immediately when Jimmah asked him why he didn't pay Inland Revenue in the UK.
VH chose to keep going there and he said, repeatedly, that he feels people not paying US taxes 'have no reason' to comment on US domestic policy.
look-- defend him if you want. I haven't even ripped into you for alleging that I'm histrionic and drunk. I mean what I said: I didn't think you were the kind of person to deny reality in service of a personal grudge.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:24:37am |
re: #258 ryannon
He's sooo above partisan politics. If he has a program, it must be something like snoozes, cuddles and beak-tweaks. Pure reciprocal affection and play. It's a fucking South Pacific Atoll here. The original Peaceable Kingdom.
I know, Poopzilla is an Ambasador of Peace.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:24:45am |
re: #267 Van Helsing
Weasel -
Post the fucking references you claim or piss off.this all started because I had an interest in knowing what progressive philosophy was. Since you don't seem to have an answer for that, fine.
Once again, when you travel outside the US or the EU do you have to have your 'papers' with you?
Yes or no and it reflects on your knowledge and perception of AZ SB1070. Other than that, it just doesn't matter.
Geez.
I thought you were going to bed.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:27:52am |
re: #267 Van Helsing
Weasel -
Post the fucking references you claim or piss off.this all started because I had an interest in knowing what progressive philosophy was. Since you don't seem to have an answer for that, fine.
Once again, when you travel outside the US or the EU do you have to have your 'papers' with you?
Yes or no and it reflects on your knowledge and perception of AZ SB1070. Other than that, it just doesn't matter.
Geez.
Wow, it IS all about AZ for you./
Tell you what-- show me your gubbmint cred and maybe you can have my papers and travel history.
Send me a subpoena, internet lawyer!
BTW, it's now definite that you're some kind of stalker and troll.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:30:19am |
re: #266 Gus 802
Why do you feel so compelled to throw in so many political points? I don't get it. People have argued some of those points before in a normal manner but not by presenting them in one fell swoop.
Seriously, you need to stop acting like a noob. I realize you haven't commented that much here but you should know better. You were baiting and you're behavior makes it look like you don't even know how this place works.
No, I don't think you're going to go out and oppress anyone. I'm sure you're probably a fine person in the real world just like most people. You just need to chill out and focus on one topic at a time and stop obsessing about people you don't like. That and stop signing your posts like a letter.
What can I say...
I'm just acting the compleat foole this night/morning/day.
I'm note even obsessing about people I don't like.
Ok, the 'contempt and disgust for progressives' was just nasty, but That's the way I feel about them. Assuming that Jimmah was a progressive was - not really a reach unless I've completely (instead of partly) brain dead. I was just curious about progressive political philosophy. Period. Never got a real answer and it devolved from there.
It is way past nitey-nite for me, so I shall leave you with this:
I'm not the Moonbattery Van Helsing ( and I shall contact Charles when I have time to get that fixed)
I'm not opposed to different points of view. I asked for input reagarding progressive philosophy and a got a cartoon. Fine.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:31:20am |
re: #271 iceweasel
Wow, it IS all about AZ for you./
Tell you what-- show me your gubbmint cred and maybe you can have my papers and travel history.
Send me a subpoena, internet lawyer!
BTW, it's now definite that you're some kind of stalker and troll.
It's all my fault. I linked to that video of the Mayor of Yuma, Arizona saying that "limp wristed people" would be bad for the military and Freetoken called him the governor. It went downhill from there. ;)
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:34:57am |
re: #273 Gus 802
It's all my fault. I linked to that video of the Mayor of Yuma, Arizona saying that "limp wristed people" would be bad for the military and Freetoken called him the governor. It went downhill from there. ;)
Heh. Srsly tho-- he obviously just picked up on that theme and was like Oh yeah let me throw in a question about AZ! and claim that's what I was always talking about!
oh yeah, believable.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:36:28am |
re: #271 iceweasel
Wow, it IS all about AZ for you./
Tell you what-- show me your gubbmint cred and maybe you can have my papers and travel history.
Send me a subpoena, internet lawyer!
BTW, it's now definite that you're some kind of stalker and troll.
BTW it's now definite that you're not worth attempting to engage in a civire: #273 Gus 802
It's all my fault. I linked to that video of the Mayor of Yuma, Arizona saying that "limp wristed people" would be bad for the military and Freetoken called him the governor. It went downhill from there. ;)
conversation.
Typical progressive moonbat.
FWIW I asked if you had to have documentation to travel outside of the US, EU, etc.
I can so see where that becomes "your papers please".
re: #273 Gus 802
It's all my fault. I linked to that video of the Mayor of Yuma, Arizona saying that "limp wristed people" would be bad for the military and Freetoken called him the governor. It went downhill from there. ;)
So it is all YOUR fault.
/kidding
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:37:02am |
re: #272 Van Helsing
What can I say...
I'm just acting the compleat foole this night/morning/day.
I'm note even obsessing about people I don't like.
Ok, the 'contempt and disgust for progressives' was just nasty, but That's the way I feel about them. Assuming that Jimmah was a progressive was - not really a reach unless I've completely (instead of partly) brain dead. I was just curious about progressive political philosophy. Period. Never got a real answer and it devolved from there.
It is way past nitey-nite for me, so I shall leave you with this:I'm not the Moonbattery Van Helsing ( and I shall contact Charles when I have time to get that fixed)
I'm not opposed to different points of view. I asked for input reagarding progressive philosophy and a got a cartoon. Fine.
OK, OK OK.
Pardon me for accusing you of being the Moonbattery creepazoid.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:38:32am |
re: #268 iceweasel
Bagua, the person over-reacting (if we want to call it that, and not provocation) was VH.The nationality question was answered immediately when Jimmah asked him why he didn't pay Inland Revenue in the UK.
I saw that, and like I said I though Jimmah answered it well and needed not explain himself any further.
VH chose to keep going there and he said, repeatedly, that he feels people not paying US taxes 'have no reason' to comment on US domestic policy.
Which I dismiss. I disagree with him on that and Jimmah can just tell him to mind his own business. I think he just want's to discuss what's going on in Arizona. Not Jimmah.
look-- defend him if you want. I haven't even ripped into you for alleging that I'm histrionic and drunk. I mean what I said: I didn't think you were the kind of person to deny reality in service of a personal grudge.
Well, I'm sorry for that. That was inflammatory on my part. I'm a lousy Peace Maker.
I'm Your Huckleberry
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:39:58am |
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:40:21am |
re: #277 Bagua
Well, I'm sorry for that. That was inflammatory on my part. I'm a lousy Peace Maker.
I'm Your Huckleberry
[Video]
Bagua! :)
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:41:54am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:43:38am |
re: #272 Van Helsing
It is way past nitey-nite for me, so I shall leave you with this:I'm not the Moonbattery Van Helsing ( and I shall contact Charles when I have time to get that fixed)
I'm not opposed to different points of view. I
asked for input reagarding progressive philosophy and a got a cartoon.Fine.
What you actually asked for:
chose to demand of a 'random' poster that he define progressivism for you, even though he isn't a Us citizen, a US resident, or a us (or uk!) progressive
asked about his 'patriotism'
asked--no, demanded, info about his alleged US 'taxes'
asked about what passports Jimmah and I travel under, and what countries we've been to
chose to inform everyone, several times, that unless you are a US taxpayer (and resident? citizen?) you 'have no reason' to comment on LGf about any Us political issues.
The only question you should be asking is "Why do I tell people that they 'have no reason' to post this site?
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:43:44am |
re: #277 Bagua
Well, I'm sorry for that. That was inflammatory on my part. I'm a lousy Peace Maker.
I'm Your Huckleberry
[Video]
re: #271 iceweasel
Wow, it IS all about AZ for you./
Tell you what-- show me your gubbmint cred and maybe you can have my papers and travel history.
Send me a subpoena, internet lawyer!
BTW, it's now definite that you're some kind of stalker and troll.
Show me the quotes.
That's all I ask.
Well, show me in about in 14 hours.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:47:16am |
re: #282 iceweasel
What you actually asked for:
chose to demand of a 'random' poster that he define progressivism for you, even though he isn't a Us citizen, a US resident, or a us (or uk!) progressive
asked about his 'patriotism'
asked--no, demanded, info about his alleged US 'taxes'
asked about what passports Jimmah and I travel under, and what countries we've been to
chose to inform everyone, several times, that unless you are a US taxpayer (and resident? citizen?) you 'have no reason' to comment on LGf about any Us political issues.
The only question you should be asking is "Why do I tell people that they 'have no reason' to post this site?
iceweasel -
Show me one post where I did any of those. One. Just one. In context. Where I said "%s have/has no reason" to comment on LGF about any US political issues.
Should be simple.
Do it.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:48:47am |
re: #283 Van Helsing
Show me the quotes.
That's all I ask.
Well, show me in about in 14 hours.
re: #284 Van Helsing
iceweasel -
Show me one post where I did any of those. One. Just one. In context. Where I said "%s have/has no reason" to comment on LGF about any US political issues.Should be simple.
Do it.
Read your own posts, hater.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:51:50am |
Better a dead thread than a food fight.
Later...
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:56:33am |
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:57:36am |
re: #286 iceweasel
Read your own posts, hater.
Gasp!!! A Touch!!!! I do fear that I have breathed my last!!!!!!
Ohhhh, it's all getting dark now....
If only there was the illumination from the Rodent of Frozen Waste...
Ohhhhh... if only there was but one post to substantiate her claims....
Alas... there is nothing. Nothing save for sweet assertion... Sound and fury....
signifying.... nothing.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 2:58:07am |
re: #287 ralphieboy
There was no actual Food released in this fight....
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:06:30am |
re: #290 Van Helsing
There was no actual Food released in this fight...
You mean no hamburgers were harmed in the making of this thread?
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:06:37am |
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:09:38am |
I'm kind of having a good time here. Been registered since 2006 and have managed to hide my Klansmen attitude for that long.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:10:22am |
re: #294 Van Helsing
I'm kind of having a good time here. Been registered since 2006 and have managed to hide my Klansmen attitude for that long.
Shut up.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:13:40am |
re: #294 Van Helsing
I'm kind of having a good time here. Been registered since 2006 and have managed to hide my Klansmen attitude for that long.
Well that bites! I had a bunch of really good stuff there abd it just went away...
Suffice it to say, my hispanic kids and I don't buy that 'racist' shit.
Bigot? Oh yeah, my whole family is bigoted against morons.
You know, progressives. that still have not posted a single thing to back up their wild accusations...
Sigh...
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:14:29am |
re: #295 Gus 802
Shut up.
heh.
Hey, what's up?
I had fun yesterday, told Jimmah to go read those threads. ;)
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:15:09am |
re: #295 Gus 802
Shut up.
I am, Not my fault. There was more to that post and it just went away.
But I git it. I'm fine. We're fine. We're all fine here....
How're you?
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:16:02am |
re: #296 Van Helsing
Well that bites! I had a bunch of really good stuff there abd it just went away...
Suffice it to say, my hispanic kids and I don't buy that 'racist' shit.Bigot? Oh yeah, my whole family is bigoted against morons.
You know, progressives. that still have not posted a single thing to back up their wild accusations...Sigh...
Uh you're answering your own posts. Who the hell called you a racist? No one mentioned racist until now.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:17:33am |
re: #298 Van Helsing
I am, Not my fault. There was more to that post and it just went away.
But I git it. I'm fine. We're fine. We're all fine here...
How're you?
A little tired and verklempt.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:18:08am |
re: #299 Gus 802
Uh you're answering your own posts. Who the hell called you a racist? No one mentioned racist until now.
You are 100% correct.
Weasel called me hater.
My bad.
and think you for pointing that out.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:18:58am |
re: #297 iceweasel
heh.
Hey, what's up?
I had fun yesterday, told Jimmah to go read those threads. ;)
Yeah, that was almost a "tell all" so to speak. Didn't go back to see what happened to that thread. Well, two threads and "19 meetings". ;)
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:21:58am |
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:25:39am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:27:49am |
re: #298 Van Helsing
I am, Not my fault. There was more to that post and it just went away.
But I git it. I'm fine. We're fine. We're all fine here...
How're you?
hahahaha you're still up! Why aren't you in bed snuggling under your down comforter with your well-loved copy of Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:29:19am |
re: #304 Gus 802
Missed that. Those aren't posting as to whom posted those. Deleted aye? No wait it loaded.
Just the usual crap.
I'd wager our pal tonight is motivated by that at least in part.
ok, later-- take care.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:29:48am |
re: #307 iceweasel
Just the usual crap.
I'd wager our pal tonight is motivated by that at least in part.ok, later-- take care.
Later Ice!
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:31:22am |
re: #306 WindUpBird
hahahaha you're still up! Why aren't you in bed snuggling under your down comforter with your well-loved copy of Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism
It's too sticky. Spilled Mountain Dew and Cheeto dust makes a scary glue, I hear. :(
later WUB! xo
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:31:56am |
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:32:49am |
re: #309 iceweasel
It's too sticky. Spilled Mountain Dew and Cheeto dust makes a scary glue, I hear. :(
later WUB! xo
Hey! I drink Mt. Dew and occasionally delve into some Cheetos. Never can tell. ;)
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:33:58am |
re: #296 Van Helsing
You know, progressives. that still have not posted a single thing to back up their wild accusations...
Sigh...
Attention whore is still in teh house!
Sigh indeed. Guys like you always try to disguise incoherent personal grievances and immigrant induced bed wetting by rising it to the level a political philosophy.
Identify or rail against any groups you want, dude. It won't dilute your individual stupidity, but it will probably make you feel better.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:34:14am |
re: #311 Gus 802
Hey! I drink Mt. Dew and occasionally delve into some Cheetos. Never can tell. ;)
My thing is usually doritos or ruffles bbq. I stopped drinking soda, but oh man, I still have a weakness for snack foods slathered in powdery flavor reagents :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:34:36am |
re: #309 iceweasel
It's too sticky. Spilled Mountain Dew and Cheeto dust makes a scary glue, I hear. :(
later WUB! xo
SWEET DREEEMZ :D
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:34:37am |
I cannot believe how utterly stupid Windows 7 is. The simple act of deleting a file is a major production, especially if there are a lot of files in the folder, say, several thousand. The first problem is that, as with previous versions of Windoze, you can't select multiple files by holding down the control key, since the piece of garbage will decide on its own to copy them, leaving you with twice as many unwanted files. This idiot feature limits you to selecting 3 or 4 files for deletion at one time. Worse, it can't delete those 3 or 4 files without apparently scanning the whole folder, shown by a glacially slow green bar, a process that takes several minutes.
I had the bright idea of moving the unwanted files to a smaller folder, but, low and behold, Moron 7 starts its slow scan act on those as soon as you try to move more than about 3 files and won't move them until it finishes, again, several minutes later.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:35:04am |
re: #312 Nimed
Attention whore is still in teh house!
Sigh indeed. Guys like you always try to disguise incoherent personal grievances and immigrant induced bed wetting by rising it to the level a political philosophy.
Identify or rail against any groups you want, dude. It won't dilute your individual stupidity, but it will probably make you feel better.
I am totally stealing that. "immigrant induced bedwetting" :D
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:35:22am |
re: #313 WindUpBird
My thing is usually doritos or ruffles bbq. I stopped drinking soda, but oh man, I still have a weakness for snack foods slathered in powdery flavor reagents :D
Powdered donuts and 12 dollars a pound coffee. Nom, nom, nom.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:36:34am |
re: #315 Shiplord Kirel
yikes. O_O There's no "I want this thing to look and act like XP screw all your fancy bullcrap" mode?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:36:49am |
re: #317 Gus 802
Powdered donuts and 12 dollars a pound coffee. Nom, nom, nom.
dammit now I want a doughnut!
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:38:12am |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:40:03am |
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:41:17am |
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:45:51am |
re: #315 Shiplord Kirel
That sucks. Well, you can always open a command line window and delete all the files you want in one or two lines.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:46:36am |
re: #312 Nimed
Attention whore is still in teh house!
Sigh indeed. Guys like you always try to disguise incoherent personal grievances and immigrant induced bed wetting by rising it to the level a political philosophy.
Identify or rail against any groups you want, dude. It won't dilute your individual stupidity, but it will probably make you feel better.
He was talking about illegal immigrants, which are a serious problem. He also wasn't "railing against any group". That is an utter distortion.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:47:43am |
Hmmm, just reading the thread - what's this about views on US politics not being welcome from non-Americans?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:49:15am |
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:50:56am |
re: #327 Spare O'Lake
Hmmm, just reading the thread - what's this about views on US politics not being welcome from non-Americans?
He never said that. That was a distortion. He was making a point about having to show papers when traveling.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:51:58am |
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:53:22am |
re: #329 Bagua
He never said that. That was a distortion. He was making a point about having to show papers when traveling.
Well. It's hard to find a silk purse in a bed full of mud.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:53:58am |
Fighty McNasty this morning. Ugh. I wish I was hung over to enjoy it more.
WHAT'S UP LIZARDS?! IT'S CELTIC'S TIME!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:54:35am |
re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Fighty McNasty this morning. Ugh. I wish I was hung over to enjoy it more.
WHAT'S UP LIZARDS?! IT'S CELTIC'S TIME!
I haven't watched a game of pro basketball in years. Has it really improved all that much?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:55:16am |
re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Fighty McNasty this morning. Ugh. I wish I was hung over to enjoy it more.
WHAT'S UP LIZARDS?! IT'S CELTIC'S TIME!
It's OK!! I'm hung over for you!! Just kidding!! I'm still drinking!! Wait! What!!
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:55:22am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:56:55am |
re: #333 thedopefishlives
I haven't watched a game of pro basketball in years. Has it really improved all that much?
No.
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:57:36am |
It is Flag Day in the USA.
May it always fly free!
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:58:08am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:58:36am |
re: #337 Taqyia2Me
It is Flag Day in the USA.
May it always fly free!
Unless the Condo association says no. Boo!!
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:59:02am |
re: #331 Gus 802
Well. It's hard to find a silk purse in a bed full of mud.
He had a lot of vile insults hurled at him and did no more than snark in reply. Demonising him as a hater is obscene. If it is not possible to debate illegal immigration without such absurd charges then one has a very weak position.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:59:07am |
re: #337 Taqyia2Me
It is Flag Day in the USA.
May it always fly free!
Aw, nuts. I should've just gone ahead and bought the flag I was looking at in the store this weekend. I'll definitely have it before the Fourth, though.
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:01:29am |
re: #339 Cannadian Club Akbar
Unless the Condo association says no. Boo!!
Damn commie condo ass. nutjobs!
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:02:28am |
re: #340 Bagua
He had a lot of vile insults hurled at him and did no more than snark in reply. Demonising him as a hater is obscene. If it is not possible to debate illegal immigration without such absurd charges then one has a very weak position.
Well, before I saw "drop it" come on let's be serious. He didn't make a heck of a lot of sense. That topic wasn't even discussed. Frankly it was like an encounter at the local bar and grill. Everyone finished with that already so anything that proceeds from here deserves to be in a soap opera so I say drop it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:03:14am |
I am gonna make the biggest fucking breakfast today. In respect for Jimmy Dean.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:03:53am |
And do your eggs over easy, in memory of James Dean...
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:04:28am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:04:53am |
re: #347 ralphieboy
And do your eggs over easy, in memory of James Dean...
And have a glass of tea, but pretend it's whiskey, in memory of Dean Martin.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:05:00am |
re: #329 Bagua
He never said that. That was a distortion. He was making a point about having to show papers when traveling.
Why am I not surprised?
BTW, it's interesting, because to my knowledge the lizard who has actually used that crap here (and his updingers) are not folks I would put on the conservative side of the LGF political spectrum.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:05:52am |
re: #350 Spare O'Lake
Well, I ain't goin' back to look. So there!
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:05:57am |
re: #350 Spare O'Lake
Why am I not surprised?
BTW, it's interesting, because to my knowledge the lizard who has actually used that crap here (and his updingers) are not folks I would put on the conservative side of the LGF political spectrum.
Figures you would want to stir shit up.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:06:03am |
re: #349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And have a glass of tea, but pretend it's whiskey, in memory of Dean Martin.
Never fake it.:)
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:06:04am |
re: #326 Bagua
He was talking about illegal immigrants, which are a serious problem. He also wasn't "railing against any group". That is an utter distortion.
Oh really?
re: #179 Van Helsing
Oh. By the way. Typical Useless Progressive,
"I don't think, therefore I smear"
re: #193 Van Helsing
It just makes you damn fool progressiveslook like damn fools.
re: #296 Van Helsing
Bigot? Oh yeah, my whole family is bigoted against morons.
You know, progressives.
re: #285 Van Helsing
Typical progressive pooh.
re: #244 Van Helsing
Lets try to keep my absolute, unbridled, undisguised contempt and disgust for progressives as a different thing.
Seriously, Bagua, I don't know why you're trying to pretend that this dimwit had a shred of good faith. Van Helsing deserved every bit of invective thrown his way, and he was lucky this is LGF. He revealed enough details about his personal life that, in less civil forums, would definitely be used against him. He has nothing to complain.
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:06:19am |
re: #341 thedopefishlives
Aw, nuts. I should've just gone ahead and bought the flag I was looking at in the store this weekend. I'll definitely have it before the Fourth, though.
The best strategy in this household has proven to be the one where we fly it every day...
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:06:38am |
re: #345 Gus 802
I agree. I just was annoyed to see more bloody "hate crime" allegations and insults from the peanut gallery.
...
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:07:23am |
Style of eggs the Hell's Kitchen contestants had the hardest time preparing properly? Scrambled! lol
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:08:08am |
re: #357 Boogberg
Style of eggs the Hell's Kitchen contestants had the hardest time preparing properly? Scrambled! lol
Add a touch of water. Makes the fluff...
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:08:28am |
re: #355 Taqyia2Me
The best strategy in this household has proven to be the one where we fly it every day...
As a new homeowner, I do not yet own an American flag. I was looking at obtaining one with an eye to doing exactly that. However, budgetary constraints unfortunately recommended a delay in the purchase. However, upon further reflection, I should've just taken the hit to the checkbook and done it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:08:46am |
re: #358 Cannadian Club Akbar
Them not the, PIMF..
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:10:56am |
Streaming radio sure beats dragging my radio around.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:11:38am |
re: #362 Cannadian Club Akbar
But now, ain't you dragging your computer around?
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:11:53am |
re: #359 thedopefishlives
As a new homeowner, I do not yet own an American flag. I was looking at obtaining one with an eye to doing exactly that. However, budgetary constraints unfortunately recommended a delay in the purchase. However, upon further reflection, I should've just taken the hit to the checkbook and done it.
I hear ya!! I am blessed with the world's greatest mother-in-law who gave me the flag kit for my birthday years ago!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:12:06am |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:12:06am |
re: #340 Bagua
He had a lot of vile insults hurled at him and did no more than snark in reply. Demonising him as a hater is obscene. If it is not possible to debate illegal immigration without such absurd charges then one has a very weak position.
Ain't love grand?
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:12:49am |
re: #363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
But now, ain't you dragging your computer around?
You're supposed to do that anyway. :D
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:13:29am |
re: #364 Taqyia2Me
I hear ya!! I am blessed with the world's greatest mother-in-law who gave me the flag kit for my birthday years ago!
It's something that I never actually thought to ask for up until now.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:13:35am |
re: #354 Nimed
Seriously, Bagua, I don't know why you're trying to pretend that this dimwit had a shred of good faith. Van Helsing deserved every bit of invective thrown his way, and he was lucky this is LGF. He revealed enough details about his personal life that, in less civil forums, would definitely be used against him. He has nothing to complain.
Sheesh. You're here a month and you want to run off Van Helsing on trumped up charges? Run him out on a rail or tar or feather him? Which is it?
Saying the progressives are fools is not hate speech, it is taking sides. I think the progressives are fools, you think the conservatives are fools. No problem. Political groups are not protected from criticism on moral grounds.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:13:36am |
re: #340 Bagua
He had a lot of vile insults hurled at him and did no more than snark in reply. Demonising him as a hater is obscene. If it is not possible to debate illegal immigration without such absurd charges then one has a very weak position.
I can't believe this. He was the asshole here. Now you're trying to paint him as the victim? Damn.
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freetoken Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:13:56am |
Off to catch a few winks... but two interesting links to, um, evolution came across the wire tonight:
Richard Dawkins talks with a YEC who is a chemistry teacher at a major British school. Seriously twisted mind here:
[Link: www.dailymotion.com...]
And in other evolution news (most explicitly not safe for work): Evolution of the Boob
Ah... evolution...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:14:03am |
re: #346 Cannadian Club Akbar
I am gonna make the biggest fucking breakfast today. In respect for Jimmy Dean.
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:14:51am |
re: #350 Spare O'Lake
Why am I not surprised?
BTW, it's interesting, because to my knowledge the lizard who has actually used that crap here (and his updingers) are not folks I would put on the conservative side of the LGF political spectrum.
Ah! Another one, just to demonstrate the point. Fortunately, comments are recyclable in LGF.
re: #312 Nimed
Guys like you always try to disguise incoherent personal grievances and immigrant induced bed wetting by rising it to the level a political philosophy.
Identify or rail against any groups you want, dude. It won't dilute your individual stupidity, but it will probably make you feel better.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:15:35am |
re: #352 Gus 802
Figures you would want to stir shit up.
The only reason I commented was that I noticed that my name was bandied about before I had logged on.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:17:27am |
Why the fuck do I need to take out the garbage? I need a wife.
/
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:17:55am |
re: #354 Nimed"...he was lucky this is LGF. He revealed enough details about his personal life that, in less civil forums, would definitely be used against him."
What kind of shit are you peddling here? Cut that out right now!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:18:12am |
re: #376 Cannadian Club Akbar
Why the fuck do I need to take out the garbage? I need a wife.
/
Funny you should say that. In my household, I'm STILL the one that takes out the garbage.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:20:02am |
re: #378 thedopefishlives
Funny you should say that. In my household, I'm STILL the one that takes out the garbage.
We need an uprising.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:20:35am |
re: #370 Gus 802
I can't believe this. He was the asshole here. Now you're trying to paint him as the victim? Damn.
I didn't get that vibe. I'll read the thread again tomorrow and see if I pick that up. I think he just wanted to make a point about having to show legal papers when crossing borders, how that happens in lots of countries. Which is true. I've shown my passport many times when crossing borders.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:20:39am |
re: #374 Spare O'Lake
The only reason I commented was that I noticed that my name was bandied about before I had logged on.
Uh, it wasn't "bandied about." WUB mentioned you once. That's not being bandied about. I split for a while before and VH mentioned me but I didn't bring it up because I can take it like a man and not have to advertise things like some character in a soap opera.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:21:11am |
re: #373 Nimed
Unfortunately you have no clue what you are talking about.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:21:31am |
re: #379 Cannadian Club Akbar
We need an uprising.
Hey, honestly, I don't mind taking out the trash every now and again. As long as she washes the dishes and does the laundry.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:22:35am |
re: #383 thedopefishlives
Hey, honestly, I don't mind taking out the trash every now and again. As long as she washes the dishes and does the laundry.
Yea, but I do all that too. I need a 25 year old.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:23:28am |
re: #384 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yea, but I do all that too. I need a 25 year old.
Better make it two...
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:23:54am |
re: #381 Gus 802
Uh, it wasn't "bandied about." WUB mentioned you once. That's not being bandied about. I split for a while before and VH mentioned me but I didn't bring it up because I can take it like a man and not have to advertise things like some character in a soap opera.
You sound like a drama queen at the moment.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:24:05am |
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:24:12am |
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:24:18am |
*reads half of thread*
Glad I went to bed early last night...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:25:35am |
Why are people getting ready for work?
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:25:51am |
re: #369 Bagua
Sheesh. You're here a month and you want to run off Van Helsing on trumped up charges? Run him out on a rail or tar or feather him? Which is it?
Seniority arguments carry absolutely not weight with me. An idiot is an idiot.
Saying the progressives are fools is not hate speech, it is taking sides. I think the progressives are fools, you think the conservatives are fools. No problem.
I don't think "conservatives are fools". More importantly, even if I did, I would not try to start a debate with one by calling conservatives fools -- an attitude which is OBVIOUSLY counterproductive for a civil discussion. If all Van Helsing really wanted was to start a political debate, then he is not just stupid -- he is braindead.
Political groups are not protected from criticism on moral grounds.
Neither are morons.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:26:37am |
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:27:21am |
re: #390 Cannadian Club Akbar
Why are people getting ready for work?
I'm getting ready for an interview so I can hopefully be getting ready for work every morning like the rest of you chumps...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:28:10am |
re: #394 JasonA
I'm getting ready for an interview so I can hopefully be getting ready for work every morning like the rest of you chumps...
Luck be uopn you.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:29:11am |
re: #395 Cannadian Club Akbar
Luck be uopn you.
Actually that was a lie. I'm not getting ready. I'm sipping coffee, reading LGF, and wondering how the fuck you people manage to wake up around 7 AM every morning.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:29:34am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:29:43am |
re: #396 JasonA
Actually that was a lie. I'm not getting ready. I'm sipping coffee, reading LGF, and wondering how the fuck you people manage to wake up around 7 AM every morning.
7 AM? LUXURY!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:30:26am |
re: #396 JasonA
Actually that was a lie. I'm not getting ready. I'm sipping coffee, reading LGF, and wondering how the fuck you people manage to wake up around 7 AM every morning.
DAMN YOU!!!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:31:52am |
re: #399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Been up since 6.
5:00 AM here. But then, working crazy-as-fuck hours also lets me get Fridays off between Memorial Day and Labor Day, so I only complain when my alarm goes off and my wife mumbles incoherently if I'm really going to work today.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:34:01am |
re: #401 thedopefishlives
3 day weekend all the way through the summer? Nice.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:35:39am |
re: #312 Nimed
Attention whore is still in teh house!
Sigh indeed. Guys like you always try to disguise incoherent personal grievances and immigrant induced bed wetting by rising it to the level a political philosophy.
Identify or rail against any groups you want, dude. It won't dilute your individual stupidity, but it will probably make you feel better.
copy a single post that I've left here in the last 24 hours and refute the content.
Otherwise, I cordially invite you to go fuck your self.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:36:23am |
Okay, now I'm sitting down with a bowl of Sugar Crisp. Oh, I'm sorry, Golden Crisp. Like sugar's rat poison now. Damn Progressives...
/
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:38:03am |
re: #391 Nimed
He revealed enough details about his personal life that, in less civil forums, would definitely be used against him. He has nothing to complain.
...
Neither are morons.
then he is not just stupid -- he is braindead.
Ok, so you're a hater. Good for you, I'm impressed. After the guy is gone you start hurling insults at him.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:38:15am |
re: #354 Nimed
Seriously, Bagua, I don't know why you're trying to pretend that this dimwit had a shred of good faith. Van Helsing deserved every bit of invective thrown his way, and he was lucky this is LGF. He revealed enough details about his personal life that, in less civil forums, would definitely be used against him. He has nothing to complain.
Perhaps if you posted them in context.
My goodness, are you progressives that moronic?
So content free that you only recourse is to me personally?
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:41:13am |
re: #406 Van Helsing
My goodness, are you progressives that moronic?
Oh just call us libtards and get it over with.
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:41:58am |
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:42:12am |
re: #406 Van Helsing
Perhaps if you posted them in context.
My goodness, are you progressives that moronic?
So content free that you only recourse is to me personally?
They can't stand any criticism. Just the word progressive is more than they can bear to hear. So they put words in your mouth to demonise you.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:42:26am |
re: #363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
But now, ain't you dragging your computer around?
Streaming radio + cellphone gets me through the day…
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:42:35am |
re: #402 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
3 day weekend all the way through the summer? Nice.
Yes indeedy. It leaves me free to do fun things like head to South Dakota for a long weekend, or visit my parents for more than a day.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:43:08am |
re: #312 Nimed
Attention whore is still in teh house!
Sigh indeed. Guys like you always try to disguise incoherent personal grievances and immigrant induced bed wetting by rising it to the level a political philosophy.
Identify or rail against any groups you want, dude. It won't dilute your individual stupidity, but it will probably make you feel better.
Still waiting for that post that you can quote to justify your position.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:43:26am |
re: #409 Bagua
They can't stand any criticism. Just the word progressive is more than they can bear to hear. So they put words in your mouth to demonise you.
Et tu, Bagua?
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:43:38am |
re: #405 Bagua
Ok, so you're a hater. Good for you, I'm impressed. After the guy is gone you start hurling insults at him.
Right. It's OK for to bash Jimmah and Iceweasel behind their backs but pick on this drunkard Van Helsing. Gee, I wonder why that is. I don't know Bagua. I thought you were better than this.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:44:14am |
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:45:08am |
re: #405 Bagua
Ok, so you're a hater. Good for you, I'm impressed. After the guy is gone you start hurling insults at him.
WTF? If you want me to drop it, then STOP DISCUSSING IT. As long as you don't, I'll keep giving my opinion.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:45:08am |
re: #415 Bagua
You trolled Van Helsing, he had left the room and you started flinging insults at him. You are also making baseless allegations and not debating him on issues or his actual comments. Bullshit.
Spare O'Lake Shit-Outta-Luck trolled Iceweasl and anyone that updinged Jimmah. Dig.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:45:20am |
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freetoken Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:46:19am |
re: #409 Bagua
Bullshit, Bagua, Bullshit.
Van Helsing fully started his asinine ways downstairs then he carried it over to this thread. Well, that happens, but it still stinks.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:47:04am |
re: #417 Gus 802
Spare O'LakeShit-Outta-Luck trolled Iceweasl and anyone that updinged Jimmah. Dig.
I wasn't here for that bit.
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:49:42am |
re: #418 Bagua
It's not the first time you completely ignore the people who started flinging insults and then jump on those who respond in kind to your friends.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:49:57am |
re: #418 Bagua
What do you mean by that?
Well, it's a reference to Julius Caesar's betrayal at the hands of one Marcus Junius Brutus the Younger.
Ok, sorry to go all Airplane-style on ya. When you start saying things like the progressives are fools I have to wonder...
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:50:34am |
re: #420 freetoken
Bullshit, Bagua, Bullshit.
Van Helsing fully started his asinine ways downstairs then he carried it over to this thread. Well, that happens, but it still stinks.
Would you mind explaining that for me?
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:50:51am |
re: #420 freetoken
Bullshit, Bagua, Bullshit.
Van Helsing fully started his asinine ways downstairs then he carried it over to this thread. Well, that happens, but it still stinks.
Well if he did something so egregious, why didn't someone quote what he said and get him with that instead of making up stuff about him?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:51:28am |
Right, I think I'm just going to step out for a bit. Try not to get too heated at each other, Lizards, at the end of the day I hope we're all friends here.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:52:05am |
re: #415 Bagua
You trolled Van Helsing, he had left the room and you started flinging insults at him. You are also making baseless allegations and not debating him on issues or his actual comments. Bullshit.
Approach me with respect and you'll get the same. Try to attack me and watch as a I mock you mercilessly. Attacking progressives as a proxy earns nothing but contempt from me.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:52:37am |
re: #423 JasonA
Well, it's a reference to Julius Caesar's betrayal at the hands of one Marcus Junius Brutus the Younger.
Ok, sorry to go all Airplane-style on ya. When you start saying things like the progressives are fools I have to wonder...
And why should any one see them else-wise? None of them has defined what a progressivephilosophy IS. I'm waiting, perhaps you'll do it?
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:53:24am |
re: #426 thedopefishlives
Right, I think I'm just going to step out for a bit. Try not to get too heated at each other, Lizards, at the end of the day I hope we're all friends here.
Everything was semi-cool until Spare O'Lake stirred things up again.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:53:52am |
re: #427 McSpiff
Approach me with respect and you'll get the same. Try to attack me and watch as a I mock you mercilessly. Attacking progressives as a proxy earns nothing but contempt from me.
And why should any one see them else-wise? None of them has defined what a progressivephilosophy IS. I'm waiting, perhaps you'll do it?
You can explain?
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:54:39am |
re: #430 Van Helsing
You can explain?
Any particular reason you're attributing things I didn't say to me?
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:54:46am |
There he goes again asking for someone to explain this progressive philosophy. Same crap he pulled on Jimmah.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:55:48am |
re: #422 Nimed
It's not the first time you completely ignore the people who started flinging insults and then jump on those who respond in kind to your friends.
So sue me. I didn't hear anything nasty or hatefull from him. It's ok to say the {insert name of political group} are fools or what ever. We do it all the time. It's certainly ok to say nasty things about republicans. Big deal.
Most political groups are nincompoops in my opinion.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:55:51am |
re: #428 Van Helsing
And why should any one see them else-wise? None of them has defined what a progressivephilosophy IS. I'm waiting, perhaps you'll do it?
Still feeling slighted that Teddy Roosevelt left the Republicans to become one? And quite frankly you must already know what one is to hate them so much, no? Then why the games?
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Renaissance_Man Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:56:05am |
re: #422 Nimed
It's not the first time you completely ignore the people who started flinging insults and then jump on those who respond in kind to your friends.
To some, quotes such as
Bigot? Oh yeah, my whole family is bigoted against morons.
You know, progressives.
and
Lets try to keep my absolute, unbridled, undisguised contempt and disgust for progressives as a different thing.
are not insults. They're factual premises that serve as a starting point for debate. And obviously, responding to such clear, provable, statements of fact with insults is a sign of weak debating skills.
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:57:03am |
re: #415 Bagua
You trolled Van Helsing, he had left the room and you started flinging insults at him. You are also making baseless allegations and not debating him on issues or his actual comments. Bullshit.
I don't debate people who are obviously trolling a thread. And it's the second time now you accuse me of insulting poor Van Helsing after he "left the room" while you keep bringing the issue up. It's an obvious Catch-22.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:57:34am |
re: #407 JasonA
Oh just call us libtards and get it over with.
Calling you libtards would be foolish and counter-productive,
Jingoistic, one might say.
Since you seem to be responding, perhaps YOU can explain the 21st Century progressive philosophy.
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Renaissance_Man Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:58:05am |
re: #428 Van Helsing
And why should any one see them else-wise? None of them has defined what a progressivephilosophy IS. I'm waiting, perhaps you'll do it?
Clearly you're the one who seems to have a problem with this supposed class of people you call progressives. Perhaps you should explain what you understand by the term. I suspect, however, that it'll be something like this.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:58:14am |
re: #435 Renaissance_Man
are not insults. They're factual premises that serve as a starting point for debate. And obviously, responding to such clear, provable, statements of fact with insults is a sign of weak debating skills.
That's funny. :)
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:59:20am |
re: #435 Renaissance_Man
are not insults. They're factual premises that serve as a starting point for debate. And obviously, responding to such clear, provable, statements of fact with insults is a sign of weak debating skills.
No, those are responses to accusation from the enlightened, tolerate ones.
Again, context is important.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 4:59:29am |
re: #437 Van Helsing
Calling you libtards would be foolish and counter-productive,
Jingoistic, one might say.Since you seem to be responding, perhaps YOU can explain the 21st Century progressive philosophy.
Here's you go. Taking the lead from Renaissance_Man...
[Link: www.conservapedia.com...]
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:00:31am |
re: #437 Van Helsing
Calling you libtards would be foolish and counter-productive,
Jingoistic, one might say.Since you seem to be responding, perhaps YOU can explain the 21st Century progressive philosophy.
Are you related to Walter? Separated at birth? God, you sound just like him, only more dickish. (and the real Walter would take that as a compliment)
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:00:52am |
re: #436 Nimed
I don't debate people who are obviously trolling a thread. And it's the second time now you accuse me of insulting poor Van Helsing after he "left the room" while you keep bringing the issue up. It's an obvious Catch-22.
What, it can't be discussed now that you brought it up after he had left and everyone is talking about it? You're going to whip out the bold now?
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:01:06am |
re: #440 Van Helsing
No, those are responses to accusation from the enlightened, tolerate ones.
Again, context is important.
You can probably find more information you feel comfortable with here.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:01:10am |
As far as I can tell, progressives are the things that go bump in the night. They live under ever wingnut's bed, hide in every dark alley, watching, waiting to leap out and destroy America! Any policy attributed to a *spit* progressive is (in their simple minds) automatically and irreversibly discredited. Who's a progressive? Anyone and everyone who has ever dared to disagree with them. And at the same time no one. The faceless evil, the "them", the "other". They're the modern Emmanuel Goldstein, giving the wingnut a target for its two minutes of hate. The refuge of a simple mind in a complex world.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:01:58am |
re: #431 McSpiff
Any particular reason you're attributing things I didn't say to me?
That was a question in relation to your statement/question.
I did not attribute/quote you on anything as near as I can tell. Please enlighten me if I'm wrong.
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:02:35am |
re: #435 Renaissance_Man
are not insults. They're factual premises that serve as a starting point for debate. And obviously, responding to such clear, provable, statements of fact with insults is a sign of weak debating skills.
Eh eh. I've collected most of the factual premises in #354, just in case someone wants to "refute" Van Helsing's "positions".
In fairness, he also used the argument that Jimmah doesn't pay enough taxes in the US.
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:02:50am |
re: #446 Van Helsing
That was a question in relation to your statement/question.
I did not attribute/quote you on anything as near as I can tell. Please enlighten me if I'm wrong.
Here's some more enlightenment on progressives you might like.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:03:29am |
re: #446 Van Helsing
That was a question in relation to your statement/question.
I did not attribute/quote you on anything as near as I can tell. Please enlighten me if I'm wrong.
The "quote" button creates a quote. You jammed two different quotes into one, making it look like I said it all in your #420.
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cliffster Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:03:50am |
Palin to Obama:
I'll show you my boobs if you'll show me your birth certificate
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:03:52am |
re: #449 McSpiff
The "quote" button creates a quote. You jammed two different quotes into one, making it look like I said it all in your #420.
PIMF: #430
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:06:00am |
From American "Thinker":
Progressivism is all the rage nowadays, with liberals having jettisoned the "liberal" label for the less maligned tag of "progressive." In truth, "progressive" is a better name, more accurately describing the movement and its extremely broad, precariously unpredictable direction.!1!!1!!!!!!
Show us your birth certificates Lizard progs!
And your papers.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:06:01am |
re: #450 cliffster
Palin to Obama:
I'll show you my boobs if you'll show me your birth certificate
And in the end, if we had a choice of one or the other, which would most Americans pick?
(and I mean real healthy, er, normal Americans)
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:07:00am |
re: #438 Renaissance_Man
Clearly you're the one who seems to have a problem with this supposed class of people you call progressives. Perhaps you should explain what you understand by the term. I suspect, however, that it'll be something like this.
Indeed, my understanding of current progressive thought makes me detest them. Tell me what the current philosophy is. Tell me why I'm wrong/misguided/ill-informed, whatever.
So far I have been given nothing to make progressivism a philosophy I'd embrace.
No One in the last 24 hours has said anything that defines clearly what 21st century progressiveism IS.
Lotta snark, though.
enlighten me, please.
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Bagua Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:07:07am |
re: #445 McSpiff
As far as I can tell, progressives are the things that go bump in the night. They live under ever wingnut's bed, hide in every dark alley, watching, waiting to leap out and destroy America! Any policy attributed to a *spit* progressive is (in their simple minds) automatically and irreversibly discredited. Who's a progressive? Anyone and everyone who has ever dared to disagree with them. And at the same time no one. The faceless evil, the "them", the "other". They're the modern Emmanuel Goldstein, giving the wingnut a target for its two minutes of hate. The refuge of a simple mind in a complex world.
Ok, so saying "wingnut" is just an innocent observation, no hate against any group there folks, but to say anything bad about progressives is hate speech and a sign of paranoia. Am I getting it right?
Whatever, carry on with the lynching, I'm gonna go kick my dog.
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:07:29am |
re: #443 Bagua
What, it can't be discussed now that you brought it up after he had left and everyone is talking about it? You're going to whip out the bold now?
Sigh. Are you for real? I'll explain it as simply as I can.
You brought it up by addressing me. And it can be discussed. But, if you want to know my opinion about Van Helsing's trolling, don't complain when you get it because he left.
I hope that was clear enough.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:08:18am |
re: #455 Bagua
Ok, so saying "wingnut" is just an innocent observation, no hate against any group there folks, but to say anything bad about progressives is hate speech and a sign of paranoia. Am I getting it right?
Whatever, carry on with the lynching, I'm gonna go kick my dog.
No, I most certainly hate wingnuts. What, you expect me to say I love them?
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:09:54am |
re: #454 Van Helsing
Indeed, my understanding of current progressive thought makes me detest them. Tell me what the current philosophy is. Tell me why I'm wrong/misguided/ill-informed, whatever.
So far I have been given nothing to make progressivism a philosophy I'd embrace.
No One in the last 24 hours has said anything that defines clearly what 21st century progressiveism IS.
Lotta snark, though.
enlighten me, please.
Here's an example of a Radical Progressive:
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:09:54am |
re: #454 Van Helsing
"Progressivism" is a collecting basin everything Glenn Beck hates about America. From Teddy Roosevelt with his national parks and anti-trust legislation to Obama with his bailouts and health-care reform.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:12:47am |
re: #449 McSpiff
The "quote" button creates a quote. You jammed two different quotes into one, making it look like I said it all in your #420.
You may wish to re-examine that.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:15:41am |
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Gus Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:16:18am |
I'm jumping out of this airplane. Had enough of Van Helsing Glenn Beck asking for a definition of progressives.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:16:42am |
re: #459 ralphieboy
"Progressivism" is a collecting basin everything Glenn Beck hates about America. From Teddy Roosevelt with his national parks and anti-trust legislation to Obama with his bailouts and health-care reform.
That would explain only parts of it.
I can't ( from reading) see T Roosevelt doing bailouts,
healthcare, yes, national parks, anti-trust (careful balance).
You really think T Roosevelt would do the bailouts?
Interesting.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:17:19am |
re: #463 Gus 802
I'm jumping out of this airplane. Had enough of
Van HelsingGlenn Beck asking for a definition of progressives.
I find it amazing that someone can hate something so passionately yet is unable to define it for himself. Simply amazing.
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:18:12am |
re: #433 Bagua
So sue me. I didn't hear anything nasty or hatefull from him. It's ok to say the {insert name of political group} are fools or what ever. We do it all the time. It's certainly ok to say nasty things about republicans. Big deal.
Most political groups are nincompoops in my opinion.
You're trying to impose your rather unique opinion on what an constitutes an "ok" insult on everybody. Obviously, most people a comment section full of comments such as "conservatives are inbred hicks" pretty insulting.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:18:27am |
If you subscribe to Mother Jones magazine, you might be a progressive. :D
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:18:39am |
re: #464 Van Helsing
That would explain only parts of it.
I can't ( from reading) see T Roosevelt doing bailouts,healthcare, yes, national parks, anti-trust (careful balance).
You really think T Roosevelt would do the bailouts?
Interesting.
I was not presenting consistency, as there is precious little in Beck's line of argument. I was just listing some of the things that Glenn Beck has railed against as "progressivism".
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:18:55am |
re: #458 Gus 802
Here's an example of a Radical Progressive:
Again, snark.
I'm asking for 3 to 5 paragraphs that would give me a good idea of what a 21st progressive is. (sorry, ran out of italics).
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:20:14am |
re: #465 McSpiff
I find it amazing that someone can hate something so passionately yet is unable to define it for himself. Simply amazing.
Not hate - detest and despise. Different things. Check you thesaurus and dictionary.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:21:51am |
re: #469 Van Helsing
Again, snark.
I'm asking for 3 to 5 paragraphs that would give me a good idea of what a 21st progressive is. (sorry, ran out of italics).
You're the one posting diatribes about how your entire family, down to the dog, hates them but you can't define it for yourself? Sorry, this is a forum for discussion. We aren't here to teach the basics to you. Go back to the man with the blackboard if you're looking for that kind of simplicity.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:24:09am |
re: #470 Van Helsing
Not hate - detest and despise. Different things. Check you thesaurus and dictionary.
Well, that was a pitiful attempt at deflection… Again, how can you detest and despise something if you are totally unaware what the word means?
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:24:29am |
If you turn the shower off to lather up (conserve water), you might be a progressive.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:25:10am |
re: #473 Boogberg
If you turn the shower off to lather up (conserve water), you might be a progressive.
Hey now, that stuff ain't free!
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:26:07am |
re: #468 ralphieboy
I was not presenting consistency, as there is precious little in Beck's line of argument. I was just listing some of the things that Glenn Beck has railed against as "progressivism".
I didn't ask for Beck's opinion. Any one here. 3 to 5 concise paragraphs.
That's all I'm looking for.
Disclaimer - I've read the Constitution and the Federalist papers.
I'm looking for an explanation of progressivism and I've gotten nothing from here.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:27:06am |
re: #475 Van Helsing
I didn't ask for Beck's opinion. Any one here. 3 to 5 concise paragraphs.
That's all I'm looking for.Disclaimer - I've read the Constitution and the Federalist papers.
I'm looking for an explanation of progressivism and I've gotten nothing from here.
[Link: lmgtfy.com...]
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:28:27am |
re: #471 McSpiff
You're the one posting diatribes about how your entire family, down to the dog, hates them but you can't define it for yourself? Sorry, this is a forum for discussion. We aren't here to teach the basics to you. Go back to the man with the blackboard if you're looking for that kind of simplicity.
Post the quote, pissant. I've been insulting but I don't recall saying 'hate' anywhere. And I don't have dog, putz.
So post the quote, pilgrim. Perhaps I've spent too much time out of my mind.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:29:55am |
re: #472 McSpiff
Well, that was a pitiful attempt at deflection… Again, how can you detest and despise something if you are totally unaware what the word means?
My definition may be flawed. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR INPUT!
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:30:11am |
re: #474 McSpiff
Hey now, that stuff ain't free!
Lol!:D
I was gonna say conserve energy as well, but progressives probably take cold showers.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:30:29am |
re: #477 Van Helsing
Post the quote, pissant. I've been insulting but I don't recall saying 'hate' anywhere. And I don't have dog, putz.
So post the quote, pilgrim. Perhaps I've spent too much time out of my mind.
Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. Fine, you only detest and despise. But you're simply begging for someone to explain the term to you. For someone apparently so well read, I'm amazed you're having so much trouble with Wikipedia.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:31:37am |
re: #478 Van Helsing
My definition may be flawed. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR INPUT!
Post your definition, and we can go from there. But no, I'm not doing your basic research for you.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:31:49am |
re: #472 McSpiff
Well, that was a pitiful attempt at deflection… Again, how can you detest and despise something if you are totally unaware what the word means?
You think there is no difference between detest and despise?
Crack a book, sir/ma`am.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:32:02am |
Mornin', fellow lizards. What's the good word?
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:33:35am |
re: #482 Van Helsing
You think there is no difference between detest and despise?
Crack a book, sir/ma`am.
re: #470 Van Helsing
Not hate - detest and despise. Different things. Check you thesaurus and dictionary.
You're the one who said you detest and despise. Are you saying you're contracting yourself now? This keeps getting more embarrassing. Maybe you should go cool down and come back when you're in a clearer state of mind?
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:35:04am |
re: #483 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The market is pointing up. Too bad I went short last week. :(
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:35:18am |
re: #483 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Mornin', fellow lizards. What's the good word?
Apparently the word for today is "flamewar".
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:36:46am |
re: #486 thedopefishlives
Apparently the word for today is "flamewar".
Awww, I'm just having fun with the little guy. I can stop if its killing discussion.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:37:12am |
re: #485 Boogberg
The market is pointing up. Too bad I went short last week. :(
Hence why I view the stock market as only a step above gambling.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:37:41am |
re: #486 thedopefishlives
Apparently the word for today is "flamewar".
And me without my asbestos boxers on...
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KDS1 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:37:44am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:39:07am |
re: #490 KDS1
Michelle Malkin is great!
Either you're missing a sarcasm tag, or you're about to open a serious can of worms.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:40:39am |
re: #481 McSpiff
Post your definition, and we can go from there. But no, I'm not doing your basic research for you.
First time I've been asked to do so - congratulations. I'm sure you'll be hated for it later.
From observation it seems that progressives think that an enlightened, omnipotent government can solve problems better than a localized, more accountable government entity can.
My view is the opposite.
Further, as an anti-progressive myself, problems can best be solved at at more local level.
Boots on the ground only count if they are on the CORRECT ground.
Local control is easier for people to keep track of as opposed to a Federal Behemoth (not slumbering) that is impossible to keep track.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:40:58am |
re: #469 Van Helsing
Again, snark.
I'm asking for 3 to 5 paragraphs that would give me a good idea of what a 21st progressive is. (sorry, ran out of italics).
Lemme try and sum up what I see as "progressivism" in a few sentences for your perusal: It is the government taking a role to ensure that individuals and groups cannot turn economic advantage into legal advantage.
We are all supposed to be equal before the law, but not necessarily in our earnings and assets.
Progressivism was a movement to make sure that those who were at the top of the food chain did not enjoy any undue advantages over those who were at the bottom, whether it be their own misfortune or the whims of fate and history.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:41:04am |
Alright, lunch is made, so I'm off to work. I'll be back in a an hour so.
Now remember Van, the pointy end of the crossbow points away from you.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:42:01am |
re: #488 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hence why I view the stock market as only a step above gambling.
That's probably a fair assessment.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:43:34am |
re: #492 Van Helsing
First time I've been asked to do so - congratulations. I'm sure you'll be hated for it later.
From observation it seems that progressives think that an enlightened, omnipotent government can solve problems better than a localized, more accountable government entity can.
My view is the opposite.Further, as an anti-progressive myself, problems can best be solved at at more local level.
Boots on the ground only count if they are on the CORRECT ground.
Local control is easier for people to keep track of as opposed to a Federal Behemoth (not slumbering) that is impossible to keep track.
I updinged you for this for actually getting to the point. I'm off to work but I'll be back in around an hour if you'll be around.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:43:44am |
re: #488 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hence why I view the stock market as only a step above gambling.
One is based on a highly complex series of interrelations that factor into a set of probabilities, all of which are stacked against you. The other usually takes place in a casino.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:47:51am |
re: #488 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hence why I view the stock market as only a step above gambling.
And what is the insurance industry but gambling? Bet you $100,000 you won't die until you're 65!!! Bet you $300 a month you won't get sick and require surgery! Bet you $125 a month you won't get your car totalled at an intersection!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:49:56am |
re: #499 ralphieboy
And what is the insurance industry but gambling? Bet you $100,000 you won't die until you're 65!!! Bet you $300 a month you won't get sick and require surgery! Bet you $125 a month you won't get your car totalled at an intersection!
Insurance is worse, because it's GROUP gambling. It's, "I bet all of you $300 a month that none of you will get sick and/or require surgery." And the minimum bid is set by how often each member in the pool loses.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:50:23am |
re: #499 ralphieboy
And what is the insurance industry but gambling? Bet you $100,000 you won't die until you're 65!!! Bet you $300 a month you won't get sick and require surgery! Bet you $125 a month you won't get your car totalled at an intersection!
With insurance, I always think back to Chris Rock, who said it should be called "In Case Shit Happens." As in "In Case Shit Happens, Break Open Glass."
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:50:27am |
re: #493 ralphieboy
Lemme try and sum up what I see as "progressivism" in a few sentences for your perusal: It is the government taking a role to ensure that individuals and groups cannot turn economic advantage into legal advantage.
We are all supposed to be equal before the law, but not necessarily in our earnings and assets.
Progressivism was a movement to make sure that those who were at the top of the food chain did not enjoy any undue advantages over those who were at the bottom, whether it be their own misfortune or the whims of fate and history.
Thank you.
And I ask what those undue advantages might be. I'm pretty damn smart ( so everyone I've worked for has said - damn quick engineer). What do we do about that? I don't think that anyone wants Diana Moon Glampers...
Harrison Bergeron, so who decides? Who draws the line?
Is it fair that I can call my boss and say I'd like to stay home to fuckoff today? No Penalty, I get paid. Of course I've worked 50+hours for the last 6 months, i've worlked for the for 15 years////
Is that all FAIR? If not, to whom is it unfair?
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:51:17am |
re: #492 Van Helsing
First time I've been asked to do so - congratulations. I'm sure you'll be hated for it later.
From observation it seems that progressives think that an enlightened, omnipotent government can solve problems better than a localized, more accountable government entity can.
My view is the opposite.Further, as an anti-progressive myself, problems can best be solved at at more local level.
Boots on the ground only count if they are on the CORRECT ground.
Local control is easier for people to keep track of as opposed to a Federal Behemoth (not slumbering) that is impossible to keep track.
Some problems cannot be solved at a local level: Immigration, for example. Resource management is another.
And as we were seeing in the 1960, basic civil rights were not being guaranteed in certain areas of the USA.
We got a bit carried away with the role of a federal government, and I am always in favor of a local solution when it is practicable.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:53:19am |
re: #502 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Chris Rock is one of the funniest comedians I've ever heard.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:54:11am |
re: #494 McSpiff
Alright, lunch is made, so I'm off to work. I'll be back in a an hour so.
Now remember Van, the pointy end of the crossbow points away from you.
I'm quite proficient with crossbow, longbow, Magyar bow, recurve, and compound.
I prefer the longbow. No parts that require metal work.
As for powder weapons...
I'm not as good as a trained sniper.
I'm good enough, though.
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Jadespring Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:54:14am |
re: #492 Van Helsing
First time I've been asked to do so - congratulations. I'm sure you'll be hated for it later.
From observation it seems that progressives think that an enlightened, omnipotent government can solve problems better than a localized, more accountable government entity can.
My view is the opposite.Further, as an anti-progressive myself, problems can best be solved at at more local level.
Boots on the ground only count if they are on the CORRECT ground.
Local control is easier for people to keep track of as opposed to a Federal Behemoth (not slumbering) that is impossible to keep track.
Most people that I know who identify as 'progressive' are all about local. Local food, local government, local economy etc etc, to the point where the main thing they focus on activist wise are local issues. Local food economies and security around basic human resources like water and land health and usage are big issues. Most 'progressives' I know think the federal levels of control while useful to a point they tend to be a hinderance on a lot of issues rather then a help. They work at either changing these methods of control or at least work the political pressure points to get particular things accomplished. The federal levels of control are good or bad depending on whatever issue is being talked about. There isn't just one carte blanche 'fed' bad sort of philosphy. Pragmatism is the word of the day. If anything the progressives I know don't much care about those sort of philosophies at all, or at least not in some sort of homogenous way that everyone agrees on. They just do shit with whatever tools are available to their situation and work at creating tools they need.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:56:05am |
re: #504 ralphieboy
Some problems cannot be solved at a local level: Immigration, for example. Resource management is another.
And as we were seeing in the 1960, basic civil rights were not being guaranteed in certain areas of the USA.
We got a bit carried away with the role of a federal government, and I am always in favor of a local solution when it is practicable.
Immigration? I fart in your general direction. What has the federal government done in the last 20 years to secure our borders to the land massed north and south?
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Jadespring Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:57:27am |
re: #509 Van Helsing
Immigration? I fart in your general direction. What has the federal government done in the last 20 years to secure our borders to the land massed north and south?
They made me get a passport and go through much more hard ass grilling when I want to visit my relatives.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:57:54am |
re: #503 Van Helsing
Thank you.
And I ask what those undue advantages might be. I'm pretty damn smart ( so everyone I've worked for has said - damn quick engineer). What do we do about that? I don't think that anyone wants Diana Moon Glampers...
Harrison Bergeron, so who decides? Who draws the line?
Is it fair that I can call my boss and say I'd like to stay home to fuckoff today? No Penalty, I get paid. Of course I've worked 50+hours for the last 6 months, i've worlked for the for 15 years///Is that all FAIR? If not, to whom is it unfair?
Unfair advantages might include the ability to influence law makers and law enforcers, for one.
It means granting everyone an equal opportunity to take advantage of the benefits of our educational system instead of reserving it for the moneyed elites. That has proven to be in everyone's benefit over the long run.
Unfair advantages include the ability to warp the market so that it no longer functions for everyone's benefit, but only for that of the few at the top. As Adam Smith, the granddaddy of Free Markets said, "Markets are there to serve the people, people are not there to serve the markets".
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:58:18am |
re: #508 Jadespring
That describes my progressive friend pretty well. Big on local recycling, that sort of thing.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:00:13am |
re: #509 Van Helsing
Immigration? I fart in your general direction.
VH, if you look back, I never joined in on any dogpiling on you. But you are thrashing out at all who take up a line of discussion with you.
Gotta go now anyways, have a nice one....
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:00:18am |
re: #508 Jadespring
Most people that I know who identify as 'progressive' are all about local. Local food, local government, local economy etc etc, to the point where the main thing they focus on activist wise are local issues. Local food economies and security around basic human resources like water and land health and usage are big issues. Most 'progressives' I know think the federal levels of control while useful to a point they tend to be a hinderance on a lot of issues rather then a help. They work at either changing these methods of control or at least work the political pressure points to get particular things accomplished. The federal levels of control are good or bad depending on whatever issue is being talked about. There isn't just one carte blanche 'fed' bad sort of philosphy. Pragmatism is the word of the day. If anything the progressives I know don't much care about those sort of philosophies at all, or at least not in some sort of homogenous way that everyone agrees on. They just do shit with whatever tools are available to their situation and work at creating tools they need.
Your kind of progressives I'll embrace.
I've always run into the
oughta be a law', 'why isn't government taking care of this?' kind of progressive, Those are the ones I detest and despise.
I have NEVER run into a group of people that self identify as progessives and do stuff for themselves.
I'm in love. What part of the country is this taking place in?
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Jadespring Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:06:25am |
re: #514 Van Helsing
Your kind of progressives I'll embrace.
I've always run into the
oughta be a law', 'why isn't government taking care of this?' kind of progressive, Those are the ones I detest and despise.I have NEVER run into a group of people that self identify as progessives and do stuff for themselves.
I'm in love. What part of the country is this taking place in?
Well I'm in Canada but do know that these sorts are all over the place in the US because the networks of information cross borders. I wouldn't say specific to any locale. They all over the place but if you want some specific examples check out what's going on in terms of local and urban farming/food production in places like Detroit and other city locales.
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:07:56am |
re: #504 ralphieboy
Some problems cannot be solved at a local level: Immigration, for example. Resource management is another.
And as we were seeing in the 1960, basic civil rights were not being guaranteed in certain areas of the USA.
We got a bit carried away with the role of a federal government, and I am always in favor of a local solution when it is practicable.
Only a DAMNFOOL would think there is no place for the federal government, and while I'm many different forms of fool, that DAMNFOOL is not one (IMHO).
Resource management, disater contol.. all valid roles. That still need a local command and control structure as we had until Jimmy Carter filled civile defense - too 'provacative'. Ass hole.....
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Van Helsing Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:12:01am |
re: #504 ralphieboy
Some problems cannot be solved at a local level: Immigration, for example. Resource management is another.
And as we were seeing in the 1960, basic civil rights were not being guaranteed in certain areas of the USA.
We got a bit carried away with the role of a federal government, and I am always in favor of a local solution when it is practicable.
Incorrect. States can deal with this breach of law on their own,'
No Problem
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ryannon Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:12:42am |
re: #342 Bagua
Hey, Hey[Video]
- Big Bill Broonzy
Broonzy's Key to the Highway
I got the key to the highway, and I'm billed out and bound to go,
I'm gonna leave here runnin', 'cause walkin' is most too slow
I'm goin' down on the border, now where I'm better known
'Cause woman you don't do nothin', but drive a good man 'way from home
Now when the moon creeps over the mountain, I'll be on my way
Now I'm gonna walk this old highway, until the break of day
Come here, sweet mama, now and help me with this heavy load
I am due in West Texas, and I've got to get on the road
I'm goin' to West Texas, I'm goin' down behind the farm
I'm gonna ask the good Lord what evil have I done
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:13:29am |
re: #511 ralphieboy
Unfair advantages might include the ability to influence law makers and law enforcers, for one.
Moving the center of power up a level just cuts down the number of those with the money to influence, but it doesn't make it go away or any less destructive.
It means granting everyone an equal opportunity to take advantage of the benefits of our educational system instead of reserving it for the moneyed elites. That has proven to be in everyone's benefit over the long run.
Unfortunately, it's done anything but in recent decades, between teachers unions and federal-level meddling, our country's educational spending has grown immensely, while our educational standards have plummeted. And the federally-funded Head Start program has not only been shown to provide no educational benefits to children enrolled, but rife with fraud.
Unfair advantages include the ability to warp the market so that it no longer functions for everyone's benefit, but only for that of the few at the top. As Adam Smith, the granddaddy of Free Markets said, "Markets are there to serve the people, people are not there to serve the markets".
What do we call subsidies, tax credits, and bailouts if not ways to manipulate the market for one business/industry's benefit and another's loss? If the owners and unions of the Big Three didn't have D.C. in their back pockets, would there have been so much support for bailing them out?
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:19:33am |
re: #519 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Are you talking about the big three automakers?
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RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:21:17am |
re: #358 Cannadian Club Akbar
Add a touch of water. Makes the fluff...
Water is for an omelet, scrambled eggs get milk. What kind of crappy restaurant do you work for?//
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Jadespring Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:22:39am |
re: #521 RogueOne
Water is for an omelet, scrambled eggs get milk. What kind of crappy restaurant do you work for?//
I use water and milk for my scrambled eggs. Creamy and fluffy. Yum.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:22:44am |
re: #520 Boogberg
Are you talking about the big three automakers?
Yep. Having been a Ford guy for years, I get a great deal of amusement out of seeing that they're the only one of the three truly thriving, without taking bailout money.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:22:52am |
re: #521 RogueOne
Lol! "Take off your jacket and leave Hell's Kitchen"
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:29:38am |
Nothing kills a thread quite like politics.
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Jadespring Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:31:10am |
re: #525 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Nothing kills a thread quite like politics.
Eggs are political?
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RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:31:51am |
re: #522 Jadespring
I use water and milk for my scrambled eggs. Creamy and fluffy. Yum.
I was taught water goes in an omelet to make the outside "skin" a little sturdier and something to do with making steam. There is an omelet competition at the state fair every year, my favorite day at the fair. You can't get a decent one in a restaurant anymore. They give you folded eggs with an assortment of filler tossed on top and call it good. Pisses me off!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:32:07am |
re: #525 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Nothing kills a thread quite like politics.
A scary prospect on a blog that is at least periodically political.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:32:29am |
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Jadespring Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:35:14am |
re: #527 RogueOne
I was taught water goes in an omelet to make the outside "skin" a little sturdier and something to do with making steam. There is an omelet competition at the state fair every year, my favorite day at the fair. You can't get a decent one in a restaurant anymore. They give you folded eggs with an assortment of filler tossed on top and call it good. Pisses me off!
I never get omelets in a restaurant because, yeah, most just stink. I usually just stick with scrambled in places I don't know well. I even find that a good sunny side up or over easy is becoming a lost art. Hubby makes great omelets though so that's his job when we want them. He uses water. :)
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Jadespring Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:36:10am |
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:36:18am |
re: #527 RogueOne
I was taught water goes in an omelet to make the outside "skin" a little sturdier and something to do with making steam. There is an omelet competition at the state fair every year, my favorite day at the fair. You can't get a decent one in a restaurant anymore. They give you folded eggs with an assortment of filler tossed on top and call it good. Pisses me off!
I don't know 'bout that, the local IHOP tends to do a good job in my opinion. Granted, I haven't been there in many moons, but my memories of the place left with the impression that they knew how to make a damned good omelet.
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Jadespring Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:37:34am |
Speaking of eggs.... BIAB. I have to go let the chickens out and collect the eggs. :)
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:39:12am |
re: #532 Jadespring
Egg jihad?
Great, now I got this mental image of chicken suicide bomber, wearing a vest of wired eggs.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:39:29am |
re: #517 Van Helsing
How can a state deal with a federal issue on their own, exactly?
I have a feeling you're going to regret this thread.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:40:15am |
re: #534 Jadespring
Speaking of eggs... BIAB. I have to go let the chickens out and collect the eggs. :)
That brings back memories. :)
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:40:16am |
re: #529 RogueOne
If you add milk to an omelet the terrorists have won.
I use a tiny amount, so I'm probably just an enabler of terrorists. But I add pancetta, too, which probably makes me a tranzi prog libtard.
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RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:44:51am |
re: #539 Obdicut
I use a tiny amount, so I'm probably just an enabler of terrorists. But I add pancetta, too, which probably makes me a tranzi prog libtard.
“From Each According to His Ability, to Each According to His Need” doesn't work with omelets, commie.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:47:26am |
re: #540 RogueOne
“From Each According to His Ability, to Each According to His Need” doesn't work with omelets, commie.
It does if I'm the only one making and eating 'em.
Which I am, this morning. My fiancé and her maid-of-honor are sleeping late (by my standards) and they have leftover pizza for breakfast anyway.
By the way, have you ever encountered or read about Georgism?
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RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:47:47am |
I've already seen this 4 places this morning:
I'm thinking the congressman should apologize and learn not to put his hands on people.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:50:09am |
re: #522 Jadespring
I use water and milk for my scrambled eggs. Creamy and fluffy. Yum.
Cheeze-whiz, butter. Amazing.
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RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:50:16am |
re: #541 Obdicut
Yes, but it hasn't come up in conversation since college. IIRC it's a concept he stole from the Romans.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:53:30am |
re: #545 RogueOne
Yes, but it hasn't come up in conversation since college. IIRC it's a concept he stole from the Romans.
I don't think 'stole' is a useful word when talking about political perspectives, which get recycled, refurbished, and redone constantly.
I like Georgism because it provides a good alternative to either progression towards anarchy under total laissez-faire or collectivism under socialist-inspired philosophies. I like a modern version of it that, as well as the single-tax for land use, also includes mechanisms for making the market more accurate by accounting for environmental costs and benefits. I figured the philosophy might be attractive to you given that one of its main tenants is that what you work to create is your own, indisputably.
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Jadespring Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:53:48am |
Back. There's was a phone message. Was just offered a free ticket to an Elton John thing where he's playing with a symphony or something.
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RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:55:36am |
My spouse is on a drug therapy that has the side effect of swelling her breasts. (Best side effect ever btw!) She just sent me a text saying she "hopes no one notices". Since I saw the blouse she was wearing when she left, I'm thinking she's lying.//
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:58:41am |
My Mom just asked me what causes flash floods. I told her a LOT of rain in a short amount of time. Accurate?
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RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:59:18am |
re: #550 ryannon
Real men don't eat omelettes.
Why do you hate America? Lets see your papers, please.
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ryannon Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:01:21am |
(with thick German accent):
You caught me because of my pronunciation of omelets, right?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:02:14am |
re: #551 Boogberg
My Mom just asked me what causes flash floods. I told her a LOT of rain in a short amount of time. Accurate?
Yes.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:02:21am |
re: #551 Boogberg
Accurate but incomplete. Also, extremely dry ground, which can't absorb the water as quickly (though this sounds counterintuitive) as water that's already permeated with moisture. This isn't necessary for a flash flood, but it's the most common kind. Also, it needs some sort of channel, though in any area with flash floods that'll be present already.
Some areas can have huge volumes of rain, but because they have highly permeable soil they're not going to have flash floods.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:03:36am |
re: #551 Boogberg
My Mom just asked me what causes flash floods. I told her a LOT of rain in a short amount of time. Accurate?
The longer version is, a flash flood occurs when the ground is oversaturated with water and can't absorb it all at once. As Obdicut pointed out in #555, this can be due to overly dry ground that is not permeable to water, or ground that is already completely saturated.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:03:40am |
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Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:04:05am |
re: #555 Obdicut
Accurate but incomplete. Also, extremely dry ground, which can't absorb the water as quickly (though this sounds counterintuitive) as water that's already permeated with moisture. This isn't necessary for a flash flood, but it's the most common kind. Also, it needs some sort of channel, though in any area with flash floods that'll be present already.
Some areas can have huge volumes of rain, but because they have highly permeable soil they're not going to have flash floods.
You get the Science Star for today! Which color do you prefer?
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Jadespring Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:04:40am |
re: #551 Boogberg
My Mom just asked me what causes flash floods. I told her a LOT of rain in a short amount of time. Accurate?
Pretty much. Though you could add, a lot of rain, concentrated on a particular watershed, beyond it's capacity to drain or flow normally, to be more specific. It's like pouring more water into your kitchen sink faster then it drains away.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:06:24am |
re: #556 thedopefishlives
Thanks for the correction. Down in places that have a high clay content, for example, the ground can be highly saturated and then form a barrier in the same way that unsaturated, baked earth can. Those are rarer, though, especially up here in the US.
When you have ordinary loose soil that gets oversaturated, it generally just forms a big sticky muddy mess, and perhaps mudslides-- which are fucking dangerous as hell too.
I love nature, so why does it keep trying to kill me?
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RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:06:35am |
re: #546 Obdicut
I'll be honest and admit I'm not sure what the best philosophy is when it comes to taxes. Beyond the fact that it's impossible for a small business owner to be able to do their own taxes I don't know how I would like to see it change. Worrying about inventory, depreciation, the best time to buy new equipment, etc, etc, etc, I'd rather pay a little bit more when I buy something and then never have to think about it again. When I buy anything it has to be logged in a specific manner (tools, equipment, materials, etc..) so my accountant knows how to put it on my taxes. Why can't a business expense just be called a business expense?
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:07:02am |
re: #558 Ericus58
You get the Science Star for today! Which color do you prefer?
I have to share it with thedopefishlives for his timely correction. So make it Stinking Commie Red.
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Ojoe Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:07:30am |
The amount of pavement in a watershed will contribute to a tendency to flash flooding; the more pavement the more tendency.
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Jadespring Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:08:07am |
re: #555 Obdicut
Accurate but incomplete. Also, extremely dry ground, which can't absorb the water as quickly (though this sounds counterintuitive) as water that's already permeated with moisture.
As a gardener you learn this pretty quickly. There's no point in pouring tons of water on dry plants as it wastes it as unless there a bowl in the soil around them it just flows where you don't want it. Slow and steady is best.
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Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:08:32am |
re: #563 Obdicut
I have to share it with thedopefishlives for his timely correction. So make it Stinking Commie Red.
Red it is! Two Stars awarded to Obi and Fishie! A nice round of clapping please for our Science winners for the day (so far) ;)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:08:43am |
re: #560 Obdicut
Thanks for the correction. Down in places that have a high clay content, for example, the ground can be highly saturated and then form a barrier in the same way that unsaturated, baked earth can. Those are rarer, though, especially up here in the US.
Actually, in certain places in the Midwest, the clay is thick and hard. I've never actually seen a flash flood in such circumstances, but I have seen rivers of water pouring off of saturated high spots and miniature lakes forming in the lows. All it takes is a couple of days' steady rain, followed by a fast, hard summer thunderstorm.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:09:07am |
re: #562 RogueOne
Beyond the fact that it's impossible for a small business owner to be able to do their own taxes
It's not. It's impossible for some small business owners, in some forms of small business, to do their own taxes.
For me, for example, with my brand-spanking-new business, it's really easy, since almost everything I deal with is non-physical.
When I buy anything it has to be logged in a specific manner (tools, equipment, materials, etc..) so my accountant knows how to put it on my taxes. Why can't a business expense just be called a business expense?
You'll get no argument from me that taxation is way overcomplex; that's one of the main arguments of Georgism, which is that any complex system leads to inevitable gaming of it by the corrupt and lack of benefit to the good people who don't try to game it.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:10:31am |
Mornin' everyone...got a 'holy fuck!' moment for you, but first I'll say good morning and leave it at that.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:10:47am |
re: #569 darthstar
Mornin' everyone...got a 'holy fuck!' moment for you, but first I'll say good morning and leave it at that.
Good morning. Now that you've got our attention, please continue.
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Jadespring Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:11:09am |
re: #569 darthstar
Mornin' everyone...got a 'holy fuck!' moment for you, but first I'll say good morning and leave it at that.
Okay now you have to tell because I have to go soon. :)
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:12:53am |
re: #569 darthstar
Mornin' everyone...got a 'holy fuck!' moment for you, but first I'll say good morning and leave it at that.
With that out of the way, let's hear it ;-)
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darthstar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:12:53am |
And now for your 'holy fuck!' moment...
Teacher Fired for Having Premarital Sex
No. Fucking. Shit. In 2010.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:13:12am |
re: #567 thedopefishlives
Yeah, I think the combo of lots of clay + the right geographical channeling for flash floods is somewhat rarer, so you get what you describe, random sudden rivers and brand-new lakes, and not flash floods as often.
In the desert, a dry creek bed is the most dangerous place to sleep or even hike, because a sudden thunderstorm can fill it in literally minutes-- or rather, the thunderstorm has been filling it upstream from you for an hour, and when it gets to you, the water will rise in minutes-- as in the example from Australia I posted above.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:13:13am |
[Link: biggovernment.com...]
WTF? I know we don't like the provider, but WTF?
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:14:20am |
re: #573 darthstar
And now for your 'holy fuck!' moment...
Teacher Fired for Having Premarital Sex
No. Fucking. Shit. In 2010.
Bwhaaaa? Talk about the stone ages...
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:14:35am |
re: #573 darthstar
And now for your 'holy fuck!' moment...
Teacher Fired for Having Premarital Sex
No. Fucking. Shit. In 2010.
Wow. And it was literally premarital:
Hamilton admitted to the prying busybodies that she had become pregnant three weeks before her wedding day.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:15:54am |
re: #577 Obdicut
I hope she sues that school into bankruptcy.
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Jadespring Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:16:26am |
re: #560 Obdicut
Thanks for the correction. Down in places that have a high clay content, for example, the ground can be highly saturated and then form a barrier in the same way that unsaturated, baked earth can. Those are rarer, though, especially up here in the US.
When you have ordinary loose soil that gets oversaturated, it generally just forms a big sticky muddy mess, and perhaps mudslides-- which are fucking dangerous as hell too.
I love nature, so why does it keep trying to kill me?
My property is next to a marsh. No chance of flash flooding but it's really easy to see the principle of saturation at work. I have really good soil on top of what's basically hard pan. If there is regular rain most of the ground is always damp to wet. There's a bit of slope that runs down to a drainage pond with is basically just a big hole dug into the ground. A day or so of light rain and the water in the pond can rise a couple of feet. The water just heads there from all over the yard.
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Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:16:33am |
Random thoughts on World Cup action over the weekend...
Germany really surprised me - great team speed and precise passing.
Aussie's looked ragged and showed their age.
Serbia looked like a bunch of hot-heads spoiling for a fight with the Ref instead of playing a good game.
England showed very well, nothing to keep them from progressing. Green is better than his mishap indicates.
USA - slow start and out-played in the first half. Much better in the second and a lucky bounce went their way.
The African teams are giving a good accounting of themselves and it's possible several could move on.
Looking forward to how the Italians play today.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:17:02am |
re: #578 darthstar
I hope she sues that school into bankruptcy.
At the very least, revealing the pregnancy to the community at large was a despicable thing, and, I believe, a violation of privacy in regards to medical issues.
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RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:18:33am |
re: #574 Obdicut
In the desert, a dry creek bed is the most dangerous place to sleep or even hike, because a sudden thunderstorm can fill it in literally minutes-- or rather, the thunderstorm has been filling it upstream from you for an hour, and when it gets to you, the water will rise in minutes-- as in the example from Australia I posted above.
That's a big problem in the SW. Something you learn fairly quickly spending time out in the desert during rainy season.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:18:39am |
Mom said thanks for the flash flood information guys. Me too. :)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:18:40am |
re: #573 darthstar
And now for your 'holy fuck!' moment...
Teacher Fired for Having Premarital Sex
No. Fucking. Shit. In 2010.
Part of me understands the mindset, since I was raised in an uber-conservative religious environment. (And this is, after all, an uber-conservative religious school.) That being said, this is an example of religious nutjobs reacting from blind dogma without thought. Is it even any of their BUSINESS? Who the heck is going to know? If she was out parading around her loose morals, then maybe there'd be grounds to fire her for being naughty. But come on, guys, use the brains God supposedly gave you.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:18:41am |
re: #580 Ericus58
I think Germany is going to take it. They seem to have the right combo of drive, skill, and teamwork.
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Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:19:33am |
re: #581 Obdicut
At the very least, revealing the pregnancy to the community at large was a despicable thing, and, I believe, a violation of privacy in regards to medical issues.
This is what will come back to smack them. Rightfully so.
Private school or not, Privacy rights.
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RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:19:47am |
re: #575 Cannadian Club Akbar
I've seen that in 4 places, including Reason, so far today.
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Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:22:11am |
re: #585 Obdicut
I think Germany is going to take it. They seem to have the right combo of drive, skill, and teamwork.
For the past several days (even weeks prior) much was made of their "Youth" in age compaired to previous squads and to other teams in geveral.
I think they put those doubts to bed in a very convincing way.
Spain and Italy have yet to roll out their game. But Germany sure has to be regarding in a new light indeed.
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Jadespring Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:23:18am |
re: #560 Obdicut
Thanks for the correction. Down in places that have a high clay content, for example, the ground can be highly saturated and then form a barrier in the same way that unsaturated, baked earth can. Those are rarer, though, especially up here in the US.
When you have ordinary loose soil that gets oversaturated, it generally just forms a big sticky muddy mess, and perhaps mudslides-- which are fucking dangerous as hell too.
I love nature, so why does it keep trying to kill me?
Oh speaking of mudslide there was just one in a small town in BC.
Oliver Mudslide
It took out a bunch of houses though luckily no one was hurt. I was watching the news and they said that some small lake just broke (not sure why) and the water poured out and saturated the hillside.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:23:53am |
re: #575 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: biggovernment.com...]
WTF? I know we don't like the provider, but WTF?
I think you might want to go to the youtube, page it and add your own commentary. That way we all have a link we can be happy to use.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:29:28am |
re: #590 Rightwingconspirator
I saw a link, but lost it. I am an idiot.
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darthstar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:29:52am |
re: #584 thedopefishlives
Part of me understands the mindset, since I was raised in an uber-conservative religious environment. (And this is, after all, an uber-conservative religious school.) That being said, this is an example of religious nutjobs reacting from blind dogma without thought. Is it even any of their BUSINESS? Who the heck is going to know? If she was out parading around her loose morals, then maybe there'd be grounds to fire her for being naughty. But come on, guys, use the brains God supposedly gave you.
Agreed, but it's not like she was making sex videos with her fiance. They were about to get married and if she didn't have sex with him he was going to die!!!
Plus, the woman is in her late 30s. I think she's kept her legs crossed long enough.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:32:29am |
re: #591 Cannadian Club Akbar
Use this one. Good catch BTW.
BTW last time anyone seized my wrist like that I wound up buying him a bag of ice and we exchanged sincere apologies. Then the neck grab... yeow.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:32:45am |
re: #592 darthstar
I do think that, stupid as it is, they have a right to fire her for having premarital sex. I think they deserve to be reviled for that part, but that that's legitimate, as long as they made it very, very clear that was their policy before she was hired.
What I think is both morally and legally reprehensible is that this was in response to pregnancy, both in that they revealed it to the community at large and that, given that she wouldn't start to show until after marriage, their reason that they were worried about the image of her as a leader is bullshit.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:33:48am |
re: #593 Rightwingconspirator
You have patience. More than me.
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Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:35:11am |
Oh, and do I really need to add any comment about the French team's sobbing about the noise contributing to their loss?
Yep, hate the horns too. But somehow the other teams managed to play and not attribute their poor performance to the horns.
Heh, they should try playing in a few sports venue's here in the states then. Oh, the Horror!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:35:34am |
re: #580 Ericus58
Random thoughts on World Cup action over the weekend...
Germany really surprised me - great team speed and precise passing.
Aussie's looked ragged and showed their age.
Serbia looked like a bunch of hot-heads spoiling for a fight with the Ref instead of playing a good game.
England showed very well, nothing to keep them from progressing. Green is better than his mishap indicates.
USA - slow start and out-played in the first half. Much better in the second and a lucky bounce went their way.
The African teams are giving a good accounting of themselves and it's possible several could move on.Looking forward to how the Italians play today.
Did any of the teams use a two point conversion after a touchdown?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:36:28am |
re: #596 Ericus58
Don't both teams have to play with the noise?
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darthstar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:36:48am |
re: #594 Obdicut
I still hope the people who run that church and school are publicly shamed for their hypocrisy to the point where the gal running the register at the local supermarket whispers loudly to her other customers about them when they shop for groceries.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:38:52am |
re: #598 Cannadian Club Akbar
Don't both teams have to play with the noise?
I'd like to know whose stupid fucking idea allowing those horns was to begin with.
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Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:38:59am |
re: #597 Mad Al-Jaffee
Did any of the teams use a two point conversion after a touchdown?
That rule is not in effect during the World Cup - unless both tteams fail to win after the first shoot-out. Then after the ice is resurfaced prior to the next period, it is re-instituted.
Last tie-breakers is a judged competition in the Ball and Hoop Gymnastics portion.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:39:49am |
re: #600 Boogberg
I'd like to know whose stupid fucking idea allowing those horns was to begin with.
Horn sellers union?
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Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:41:21am |
re: #600 Boogberg
I'd like to know whose stupid fucking idea allowing those horns was to begin with.
Seems to be due to the history of the fans using them for many years locally. I read that the noise can exceed 127 db. More than a chainsaw. Or an AC/DC concert.
For those about to ROCK, we salute you!
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:43:49am |
re: #602 Cannadian Club Akbar
:D
But really though. Are the South Africans that fucking dense? I'd be ready to kill someone had I bought premium tickets and traveled to see some of the games.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:46:39am |
re: #542 RogueOne
I've already seen this 4 places this morning:
[Video]I'm thinking the congressman should apologize and learn not to put his hands on people.
I just noticed a big red flag. Why is the young students face blurred out?
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darthstar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:47:07am |
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:51:28am |
re: #608 darthstar
I would respect that.
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Casual Talker Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:51:30am |
re: #607 Rightwingconspirator
I just noticed a big red flag. Why is the young students face blurred out?
Why is that a red flag?
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:53:19am |
re: #610 Casual Talker
Why would you seek to do an interview and need to hide your face?! Especially as a young journalist or student?
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darthstar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:54:25am |
re: #607 Rightwingconspirator
I just noticed a big red flag. Why is the young students face blurred out?
He's not ready for his James O'Keefe moment yet. A few more altercations with congressmen should do it though.
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Casual Talker Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:54:34am |
re: #611 Rightwingconspirator
Why would you seek to do an interview and need to hide your face?! Especially as a young journalist or student?
I give up. Why?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:55:24am |
re: #607 Rightwingconspirator
I just noticed a big red flag. Why is the young students face blurred out?
Because the student is really Andrew Breitbart and this is totally a set up by him and his friends to bait the congressman into smacking the camera out of the hand of Breitbart, grab his wrist and then grab him by the neck and spin him around and pull Breitbart into the congressman before releasing him.
Breitbart should have know better that this would be a normal reaction from ANYONE when asked "What do you think of Obama's policies."
It should also be a warning to the rest of the public that you can't just go walking around with a cell phone or a small cam asking ANY public officials questions.
The "student" got what he deserved... tough shit pansy-waist.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:56:26am |
re: #608 darthstar
Physical contact is a no-no. That congressman should release a statement like the following: "I let my emotions get the better of me. I'd like to apologize to my wife, my constitutents, and my country for grabbing that little asshole by the wrist."
And I'm thinking the citizen, student or not, has a right to ask a question, the the Congressman should just answer it.
There's a way to answer it:
"I'm not sure what you mean by Obama's agenda, but I do support a, b, c, d, whatever, because I believe it's what my consituents want and I believe it's in their best interest for me to support those things".
Period. End of it.
The politicians are (or should be) well practiced in the art of answering leading questions. My question is why the immediate hostility from the congressman?
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darthstar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:57:51am |
re: #614 Walter L. Newton
The "student" got what he deserved... tough shit pansy-waist.
For once, I agree with you, Walter. I also noticed that there's a big edit between when the congressman gets close and when he grabs the camera...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:58:24am |
re: #615 reine.de.tout
And I'm thinking the citizen, student or not, has a right to ask a question, the the Congressman should just answer it.
There's a way to answer it:
"I'm not sure what you mean by Obama's agenda, but I do support a, b, c, d, whatever, because I believe it's what my consituents want and I believe it's in their best interest for me to support those things".
Period. End of it.
The politicians are (or should be) well practiced in the art of answering leading questions. My question is why the immediate hostility from the congressman?
Because the "student" deserved it. It was a normal reaction from the congressman.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:59:22am |
Logical dissonance. Interviewers do not hide. Not real ones. Maybe there is an innocuous explanation, I wrote the video poster about it. To me it arouses suspicion of something else going on. After Acorn, I watch carefully, skeptically. it is the internet after all....
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Casual Talker Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:59:46am |
re: #616 darthstar
For once, I agree with you, Walter. I also noticed that there's a big edit between when the congressman gets close and when he grabs the camera...
Perhaps, if the congressman chooses to make a statement, we'll see if he disputes the account. That should settle it, right?
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:00:20am |
re: #613 Casual Talker
Sorry see my #618
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KDS1 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:00:33am |
re: #615 reine.de.tout
And I'm thinking the citizen, student or not, has a right to ask a question, the the Congressman should just answer it.
There's a way to answer it:
"I'm not sure what you mean by Obama's agenda, but I do support a, b, c, d, whatever, because I believe it's what my consituents want and I believe it's in their best interest for me to support those things".
Period. End of it.
The politicians are (or should be) well practiced in the art of answering leading questions. My question is why the immediate hostility from the congressman?
He doesn't even have to answer. Just say "no comment" and move along...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:01:16am |
re: #616 darthstar
For once, I agree with you, Walter. I also noticed that there's a big edit between when the congressman gets close and when he grabs the camera...
The congressman asks twice "who are you" and then smacks the camera out of the "students" hand... no edit... natural reaction. If I was a kleptocrat or plutocrat in Washington, and for some reason I had to walk on the streets among the rabble, and one of those rabble DARED to come near me... what more ask a question, no matter what the motivation of the "student" was... I would be FORCED to smack the ever loving shit out of the little mother fucker.
Yes... we agree.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:01:57am |
re: #618 Rightwingconspirator
Logical dissonance. Interviewers do not hide. Not real ones. Maybe there is an innocuous explanation, I wrote the video poster about it. To me it arouses suspicion of something else going on. After Acorn, I watch carefully, skeptically. it is the internet after all...
No one deserves to be assaulted in that way for asking a question, no matter how big an asshole they are about asking.
And I'm amazed to see people here thinking it's just fine.
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Casual Talker Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:02:10am |
re: #620 Rightwingconspirator
Sorry see my #618
Got it. I could think of some reasons why the face is blotted but it would just be utter speculation.
A statement from the congressman would be most desirable now, to see if he has any contextual gaps to fill that are not apparent in the clip.
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RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:02:26am |
re: #608 darthstar
Physical contact is a no-no. That congressman should release a statement like the following: "I let my emotions get the better of me. I'd like to apologize to my wife, my constitutents, and my country for grabbing that little asshole by the wrist."
It reminds me of that video that was going around last week where the guy kept putting his hands on the reporter and the reporter kept telling him to knock it off. I don't like to be touched and I don't tell people twice.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:02:45am |
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darthstar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:02:47am |
re: #615 reine.de.tout
And I'm thinking the citizen, student or not, has a right to ask a question, the the Congressman should just answer it.
There's a way to answer it:
"I'm not sure what you mean by Obama's agenda, but I do support a, b, c, d, whatever, because I believe it's what my consituents want and I believe it's in their best interest for me to support those things".
Period. End of it.
The politicians are (or should be) well practiced in the art of answering leading questions. My question is why the immediate hostility from the congressman?
There's a break in the tape. The full, unedited version might be helpful. Still, if I was a congressman, I'd expect assholes like that in this day and age, and give them a stock response like "Are you wearing make-up?" or "Hi mom!" to all of their questions.
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Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:04:21am |
re: #626 Walter L. Newton
I'm flying my US flag today.
Mine flies everyday. Illuminated at night.
Let Freedom Ring.
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KDS1 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:04:22am |
re: #623 reine.de.tout
No one deserves to be assaulted in that way for asking a question, no matter how big an asshole they are about asking.
And I'm amazed to see people here thinking it's just fine.
Exactly. Can you imagine Bush assaulting Helen Thomas for her questions?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:04:56am |
re: #628 darthstar
There's a break in the tape. The full, unedited version might be helpful. Still, if I was a congressman, I'd expect assholes like that in this day and age, and give them a stock response like "Are you wearing make-up?" or "Hi mom!" to all of their questions.
There are several breaks in the tape.
But between the asking of the question and the congressman's "Who are YOU?", there is no break, that I can see.
Maybe something happened before that; we don't know.
I stick to my conviction that it is unreasonable to physically assault someone for asking a question.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:05:42am |
re: #628 darthstar
There's a break in the tape. The full, unedited version might be helpful. Still, if I was a congressman, I'd expect assholes like that in this day and age, and give them a stock response like "Are you wearing make-up?" or "Hi mom!" to all of their questions.
I asked you where the edit is... there is NO edit in the beginning, when the congressman responds twice "who are you" and then smack the camera out of the hand of the "student."
Would you like to clarify the location of the edit.
Well, don't, never mind... we both agree the congressman was did what he should have done in this case... so it doesn't really matter what "edit" you're talking about.
Never mind.
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Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:05:58am |
re: #630 KDS1
Exactly. Can you imagine Bush assaulting Helen Thomas for her questions?
"Popcorn! Peanuts! Cotton Candy! Disposable Flash Camera's for the moment!!"
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Casual Talker Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:06:32am |
re: #631 reine.de.tout
There are several breaks in the tape.
But between the asking of the question and the congressman's "Who are YOU?", there is no break, that I can see.Maybe something happened before that; we don't know.
I stick to my conviction that it is unreasonable to physically assault someone for asking a question.
Some campaign ads write themselves. The congressman may now have a tough time holding on to his seat.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:07:25am |
re: #623 reine.de.tout
Well not to read anyones mind but it was in the end about harmless. But way over the line none the less.
It was an everything wrong moment. At this point we all need to know our limits. Any of us could want to duck an idiot with a camera. Without assaulting them hopefully.
As a photographer, I have to know my rights and respect the legal+ethical limits.
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KDS1 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:07:38am |
re: #633 Ericus58
"Popcorn! Peanuts! Cotton Candy! Disposable Flash Camera's for the moment!!"
Nice avatar!
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:07:45am |
Put me down for the Congressman being wrong. We have laws concerning physical contact.
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RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:08:17am |
Another link to the congressman from Atrios:
[Link: www.eschatonblog.com...]
The Worst Person In The WorldRep. Bob Etheridge (D-Asshole)
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:10:42am |
re: #637 Boogberg
Put me down for the Congressman being wrong. We have laws concerning physical contact.
People also have the right to protect themselves from annoying questions. That's all the congressman was doing.
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RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:12:49am |
This is why I love the internet. Here's another video of the congressman discussing "Civic Engagement" for Generation Engage. Generation Engage has a bunch of videos on youtube showing how to use video to get involved. I guess the congressman is all for it as long as he's not the one being engaged.
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KDS1 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:12:52am |
re: #639 Walter L. Newton
People also have the right to protect themselves from annoying questions. That's all the congressman was doing.
Luckily he was very restrained.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:13:57am |
re: #639 Walter L. Newton
People also have the right to protect themselves from annoying questions. That's all the congressman was doing.
Agreed, but the law at least where I live forbids physical force. Misdemeanor assault. A couple of actors have found that out the hard way-Sean Penn et al.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:13:58am |
re: #637 Boogberg
Put me down for the Congressman being wrong. We have laws concerning physical contact.
There are edits in the tape for a reason. Brietbart does this all the time. I suspect the congressman felt threatened in some way. Maybe they were asking nutty questions and he feared he was dealing with lunatics. Maybe They'd been following him for a while. He seems interested in knowing who they are and they refuse to identify themselves. There's certainly more to the story that Breitbart is showing.
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Casual Talker Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:15:01am |
re: #644 Killgore Trout
There are edits in the tape for a reason. Brietbart does this all the time. I suspect the congressman felt threatened in some way. Maybe they were asking nutty questions and he feared he was dealing with lunatics. Maybe They'd been following him for a while. He seems interested in knowing who they are and they refuse to identify themselves. There's certainly more to the story that Breitbart is showing.
I think they were actually asking him what is favorite 70's rock album was.
Ba-da-boom.
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Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:16:09am |
re: #636 KDS1
Nice avatar!
Thanks.
Perhaps you would be interested in these....?
*opens binder with assorted photo's*
I crack myself up sometimes ;)
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:17:06am |
re: #644 Killgore Trout
I was starting to wonder if I was the only suspicious one here apart from Walter.
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Mauser Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:17:46am |
Youtube has pinned the View counter at 328 for some unknown reason....
Any guesses why?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:18:31am |
re: #648 Mauser
Youtube has pinned the View counter at 328 for some unknown reason...
Any guesses why?
Pinned... explain... I don't use YouTube that much...
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Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:18:34am |
Don't mess with the masked man.
Rumor has it he was asked what he thought of Obama's policies...
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:19:26am |
re: #638 RogueOne
Another link to the congressman from Atrios:
[Link: www.eschatonblog.com...]
That's battery.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:19:36am |
re: #648 Mauser
Youtube has pinned the View counter at 328 for some unknown reason...
Any guesses why?
Its not updated in real time. I'm guessing its some sort of script that runs every . Probably helps with caching. I've seen it on other videos before.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:19:41am |
re: #644 Killgore Trout
Ok. So what is the Congressman's side of the story? That might shed some light on it. I'd like to hear his comments about the incident.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:20:11am |
re: #647 Rightwingconspirator
I was starting to wonder if I was the only suspicious one here apart from Walter.
No.
If it's from Brietbart, there is great reason for suspicion.
I still do not believe it's OK to grab someone who has asked you a question, no matter how stupid, silly, leading or ridiculous the question is.
Just keep on walking. It didn't look to me like it the three of them were in an isolated area. Keep on walking, and make the other guy (the questioner) look like the stalker. But don't grab 'em.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:20:40am |
re: #653 Boogberg
Ok. So what is the Congressman's side of the story? That might shed some light on it. I'd like to hear his comments about the incident.
I wrote the video poster too. If I get an answer I'll post it if anyone cares by then.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:20:57am |
He had the option of walking away. Instead, he chose to assault the student. Several times.
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:21:56am |
re: #654 reine.de.tout
Unless you're the Prime Minister of Canada. In which case you choke the hippy bastard, and we re-elect you. Image: chretienchoke.jpg
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:22:22am |
re: #653 Boogberg
Ok. So what is the Congressman's side of the story? That might shed some light on it. I'd like to hear his comments about the incident.
he's a liar and a cheat and was confronted by a law abiding citizen?...
just a guess
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:23:03am |
re: #654 reine.de.tout
Agreed in full. Sometimes fate puts two fools together. Youtube always wins when you add a camera to that.
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Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:23:43am |
re: #657 McSpiff
Unless you're the Prime Minister of Canada. In which case you choke the hippy bastard, and we re-elect you. Image: chretienchoke.jpg
LMAO!
Priceless man, Priceless!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:24:11am |
re: #647 Rightwingconspirator
I was starting to wonder if I was the only suspicious one here apart from Walter.
I don't know why people still get excited of Breitbart's dishonestly edited tapes. They always end up being bogus.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:24:23am |
re: #656 MandyManners
He had the option of walking away. Instead, he chose to assault the student. Several times.
I have much respect for the Buzz Aldrin Solution
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Mauser Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:24:35am |
Based on the comments, the view counter has been stuck at 328 for hours.
There are no edits between the two title cards, for example. If you're concerned about edits, just consider the events on any single contiguous portion.
Some wags are commenting that "Who're you?" is North Carolinian for "Show me your papers!"
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:25:39am |
re: #660 Ericus58
LMAO!
Priceless man, Priceless!
Seriously, anyone over the age of about 20 will most likely know the term "Shawinigan hand shake" for choking someone. Shawinigan being Chretien's riding, and the home of several other fun scandals. I miss that guy...
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:25:41am |
re: #663 Mauser
Based on the comments, the view counter has been stuck at 328 for hours.
There are no edits between the two title cards, for example. If you're concerned about edits, just consider the events on any single contiguous portion.
Some wags are commenting that "Who're you?" is North Carolinian for "Show me your papers!"
I'd whip out my Zig Zags
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:25:55am |
re: #656 MandyManners
He had the option of walking away. Instead, he chose to assault the student. Several times.
The only way it would be OK, is if the student grabbed him first. Maybe it happened; maybe the full tape will come out and we'll see if that happened, and if it did, the student was in the wrong. You don't walk up to people on the street and grab them, regardless of whether you're a student or a congressman.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:26:08am |
re: #657 McSpiff
Unless you're the Prime Minister of Canada. In which case you choke the hippy bastard, and we re-elect you. Image: chretienchoke.jpg
That was the point I was trying to make above. The congressman only reacted normally and legally for a person in his position. Public officials can't just let anyone ask them questions. The proper and time honored way is to sit in a controlled setting, being thrown softball questions, designed to give the congressperson a sense of importance.
This crass, on the street encounter with a rabble rousing parasite is reminiscent of those dirty feudal servants attempting to partition the glorious land owner.
This shit has to be stopped, and the congressman was just exercising his rights.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:26:26am |
re: #662 albusteve
I have much respect for the Buzz Aldrin Solution
Have you seen Ali G's interview with Aldrin? It's hilarious.
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ShaunP Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:27:03am |
re: #666 reine.de.tout
The only way it would be OK, is if the student grabbed him first. Maybe it happened; maybe the full tape will come out and we'll see if that happened, and if it did, the student was in the wrong. You don't walk up to people on the street and grab them, regardless of whether you're a student or a congressman.
Probably a good place to use the 24 hour rule. I can think of a couple of reasons where I would react similarly; i.e. same guy lurking around my family for the past couple of days, etc.
Even in that case, it's still not the best course of action; but I'd understand...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:27:26am |
re: #666 reine.de.tout
The only way it would be OK, is if the student grabbed him first. Maybe it happened; maybe the full tape will come out and we'll see if that happened, and if it did, the student was in the wrong. You don't walk up to people on the street and grab them, regardless of whether you're a student or a congressman.
It perfectly fine if you are a congressman.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:27:37am |
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KDS1 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:28:05am |
re: #666 reine.de.tout
The only way it would be OK, is if the student grabbed him first. Maybe it happened; maybe the full tape will come out and we'll see if that happened, and if it did, the student was in the wrong. You don't walk up to people on the street and grab them, regardless of whether you're a student or a congressman.
What if he felt intimidated by those students?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:28:58am |
re: #663 Mauser
There are no edits between the two title cards, for example.
There most certainly are.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:29:01am |
re: #668 Mad Al-Jaffee
Have you seen Ali G's interview with Aldrin? It's hilarious.
no, to be honest, I pride myself for not keeping up with the MSM or pop news
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:29:11am |
re: #667 Walter L. Newton
I was making a joke, but I'm glad you could pull out a nice rant on feudalism or whatever that was all about from it...
The constant sarcasm shtick is getting old for me, but if others still enjoy it... Well, you have a need to entertain others I guess.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:29:22am |
re: #667 Walter L. Newton
That was the point I was trying to make above. The congressman only reacted normally and legally for a person in his position. Public officials can't just let anyone ask them questions. The proper and time honored way is to sit in a controlled setting, being thrown softball questions, designed to give the congressperson a sense of importance.
This crass, on the street encounter with a rabble rousing parasite is reminiscent of those dirty feudal servants attempting to partition the glorious land owner.
This shit has to be stopped, and the congressman was just exercising his rights.
well said
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Mauser Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:29:26am |
re: #667 Walter L. Newton
This shit has to be stopped, and the congressman was just exercising his rights.
Battery is not a right. Or else Sean Penn would never have done time.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:29:53am |
re: #675 McSpiff
I was making a joke, but I'm glad you could pull out a nice rant on feudalism or whatever that was all about from it...
The constant sarcasm shtick is getting old for me, but if others still enjoy it... Well, you have a need to entertain others I guess.
I don't give two shits if it's getting old... truth hurts.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:30:15am |
re: #662 albusteve
I have much respect for the Buzz Aldrin Solution
:D
Yeah but are the situations comparable though? From the evidence, I'm not sure. I have more sympathy for Buzz, although he still broke the law.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:30:59am |
re: #671 MandyManners
I don't.
I'm a violence first person....the quickest solution is usually the best
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:31:01am |
re: #666 reine.de.tout
The only way it would be OK, is if the student grabbed him first. Maybe it happened; maybe the full tape will come out and we'll see if that happened, and if it did, the student was in the wrong. You don't walk up to people on the street and grab them, regardless of whether you're a student or a congressman.
What gets me is that he kept his hands on the man. If he were scared of him, why didn't he scream for help?
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:31:36am |
re: #667 Walter L. Newton
That was the point I was trying to make above. The congressman only reacted normally and legally for a person in his position. Public officials can't just let anyone ask them questions. The proper and time honored way is to sit in a controlled setting, being thrown softball questions, designed to give the congressperson a sense of importance.
This crass, on the street encounter with a rabble rousing parasite is reminiscent of those dirty feudal servants attempting to partition the glorious land owner.
This shit has to be stopped, and the congressman was just exercising his rights.
The sarcasm is dripping like honey from a comb.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:31:58am |
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Mauser Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:32:01am |
re: #673 Killgore Trout
There most certainly are.
I just watched it, BETWEEN the title cards is one continuous shot. It includes the greeting, the question, and the first grab at the camera. Or are you mistaking the rapid movement of a camera being grabbed as an edit?
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McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:32:02am |
re: #678 Walter L. Newton
I don't give two shits if it's getting old... truth hurts.
I disagree. You're the class clown, constantly hunting for approval from your betters. I find insecurity tiresome, but whatever it takes.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:33:13am |
re: #677 Mauser
Battery is not a right. Or else Sean Penn would never have done time.
Seam Penn is just a lowly entertainer, like the court jester. The congress man is part of the kleptocracy, an important cog in the "you wash my back, I'll wash you back" cycle of unlimited levels of funds and money. If public officials like this congressman was held responsible for answers to questions like that, the whole plutocratic infrastructure would start to fall apart.
Can't have that. The congressman was in his rights.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:33:15am |
Unedited tape here....
Rep. Etheridge Attacks Student @ Pelosi Fundraiser 1
Rep. Etheridge Attacks Student @ Pelosi Fundraiser 2
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:33:46am |
re: #685 McSpiff
I disagree. You're the class clown, constantly hunting for approval from your betters. I find insecurity tiresome, but whatever it takes.
Yawn.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:33:50am |
we need a Hook, Line, and Sinker Award at LGF
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:34:26am |
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Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:34:42am |
re: #675 McSpiff
I was making a joke, but I'm glad you could pull out a nice rant on feudalism or whatever that was all about from it...
The constant sarcasm shtick is getting old for me, but if others still enjoy it... Well, you have a need to entertain others I guess.
I thought it was funny, good tongue-in-check.
but I'm in a funny-bone mood today.
BP is 110/68.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:35:35am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:36:05am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:36:26am |
Any excuse for the James Gang on a Monday.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:37:12am |
re: #687 Killgore Trout
Unedited tape here...
Rep. Etheridge Attacks Student @ Pelosi Fundraiser 1[Video]
Well. that's more damaging than the single tape, edited together from two cameras. Actually those two videos, taken as a whole, better document the incident... better than the single edited down material.
See what I told you, the congressman was right.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:37:19am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:37:29am |
re: #674 albusteve
no, to be honest, I pride myself for not keeping up with the MSM or pop news
Like this guy? :)
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:38:55am |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:39:29am |
re: #687 Killgore Trout
Unedited tape here...
Rep. Etheridge Attacks Student @ Pelosi Fundraiser 1[Video]
Anything from Breitbart's site is worthy of suspicion.
But if those are the unedited tapes, and people here are OK with the congressman's reaction - I'm just amazed.
His reaction was wrong.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:39:53am |
re: #697 Mad Al-Jaffee
Like this guy? :)
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
I own a TV....it mostly just sits there
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:40:12am |
re: #699 reine.de.tout
Anything from Breitbart's site is worthy of suspicion.
But if those are the unedited tapes, and people here are OK with the congressman's reaction - I'm just amazed.
His reaction was wrong.
I'm not okay with it.
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:40:33am |
re: #666 reine.de.tout
The only way it would be OK, is if the student grabbed him first. Maybe it happened; maybe the full tape will come out and we'll see if that happened, and if it did, the student was in the wrong. You don't walk up to people on the street and grab them, regardless of whether you're a student or a congressman.
We should wait, but I think it's very unlikely we'll see something that makes Etheridge's behavior not completely unacceptable.
Otherwise, he better either apologize profusely for behaving like a bully, or be gone from Congress. This kind of shit cannot be tolerated.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:42:10am |
re: #698 MandyManners
[Video]
Walsh is famous, no doubt, but he is hugely under rated as a guitarist...he's one of the best pure blues players out there, always has been...he can do it all....check out his intro solo at the Crossroads gig he did
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:43:49am |
re: #703 albusteve
Walsh is famous, no doubt, but he is hugely under rated as a guitarist...he's one of the best pure blues players out there, always has been...he can do it all...check out his intro solo at the Crossroads gig he did
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:44:18am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:45:25am |
re: #703 albusteve
Walsh is famous, no doubt, but he is hugely under rated as a guitarist...he's one of the best pure blues players out there, always has been...he can do it all...check out his intro solo at the Crossroads gig he did
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:46:24am |
re: #687 Killgore Trout
Unedited tape here...
Rep. Etheridge Attacks Student @ Pelosi Fundraiser 1[Video]
That pretty well settles it. Other than get the camera into Etheridge's personal space, the "student" did nothing to provoke a physical assault. Etheridge should be arrested.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:46:56am |
Alright, I'm back. Now, what's all this brouhaha about? Something 'bout a Congress critter roughin' up the press?
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Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:46:57am |
re: #699 reine.de.tout
Anything from Breitbart's site is worthy of suspicion.
But if those are the unedited tapes, and people here are OK with the congressman's reaction - I'm just amazed.
His reaction was wrong.
It was more than wrong -- it's an adult, who happens to be a member of Congress, physically intimidating kids. WTF is wrong with him?
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:48:12am |
Funk 49
my anthem back them....the coolest r/r song ever
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:48:15am |
re: #699 reine.de.tout
Anything from Breitbart's site is worthy of suspicion.
But if those are the unedited tapes, and people here are OK with the congressman's reaction - I'm just amazed.
His reaction was wrong.
Possibly. I'm still not sure of the context. They might have been following him for a while and he might have felt threatened. He also might have felt his fears were confirmed when they refused to identify themselves. Usually it's customary to preface a question with, "I'm Joe Smith from The Policl Blog and I'd like to ask you...."
The only question they seem to ask is if he supports the "Obama Agenda" which isn't really a serious question and could be one of those things that a wrong answer will get you a bullet from an Oath Keeper.
We'll wait and see what the whole story is. The congressman may very well be out of line.
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Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:48:25am |
I saw Joe in concert many years ago and one thing I remember - it wasn't obnoxiously loud (yes, there is such a thing) like so many other concerts I'd been to.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:49:00am |
re: #710 Nimed
It was more than wrong -- it's an adult, who happens to be a member of Congress, physically intimidating kids. WTF is wrong with him?
They're not kids. They're adults. Young but, adults.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:49:21am |
re: #710 Nimed
It was more than wrong -- it's an adult, who happens to be a member of Congress, physically intimidating kids. WTF is wrong with him?
Apparently, Etheridge thinks he is a police officer and can arrest people for refusing to identify themselves.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:49:45am |
re: #713 Boogberg
I saw Joe in concert many years ago and one thing I remember - it wasn't obnoxiously loud (yes, there is such a thing) like so many other concerts I'd been to.
I've seen him a bunch of times, and James Gang was always a very high quality gig...he's a great personality too, I'd love to meet the guy
| 717 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:50:20am |
re: #711 albusteve
Funk 49
my anthem back them...the coolest r/r song ever
How did you know what my next link would be?
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:50:21am |
Do we have an unedited tape available? That would shed light on the subject.
As it stands right now, the video doesn't make the Rep. look good at all and should put him in line for criminal charges. Let's see what the rest of that video shows - and it might show that the Rep. was somehow accosted and he was protecting himself, but he should have known better than to assault the videographer - since it would be shown on tape.
At a minimum, poor judgment on his part because he knew or should have known that the video would be cut to make him look in as bad a light as possible.
| 719 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:51:08am |
Another rally against the SI mosque - lots of fearful neighbors wondering what they're getting as a potential neighbor - concerns over traffic, etc.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:51:27am |
re: #718 lawhawk
Do we have an unedited tape available? That would shed light on the subject.
As it stands right now, the video doesn't make the Rep. look good at all and should put him in line for criminal charges. Let's see what the rest of that video shows - and it might show that the Rep. was somehow accosted and he was protecting himself, but he should have known better than to assault the videographer - since it would be shown on tape.
At a minimum, poor judgment on his part because he knew or should have known that the video would be cut to make him look in as bad a light as possible.
Killgore found unedited material... one from the camera the kid was holding, one from another camera filming at the same time...
re: #687 Killgore Trout
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:51:34am |
re: #712 Killgore Trout
Possibly. I'm still not sure of the context. They might have been following him for a while and he might have felt threatened. He also might have felt his fears were confirmed when they refused to identify themselves. Usually it's customary to preface a question with, "I'm Joe Smith from The Policl Blog and I'd like to ask you..."
The only question they seem to ask is if he supports the "Obama Agenda" which isn't really a serious question and could be one of those things that a wrong answer will get you a bullet from an Oath Keeper.
We'll wait and see what the whole story is. The congressman may very well be out of line.
If someone won't tell me who they are, my response is to turn my back and walk on, not to remain in the area and make unlawful, physical contact.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:51:53am |
re: #717 MandyManners
How did you know what my next link would be?
[Video]
do me the Bomber...I dare you
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:52:33am |
re: #715 Shiplord Kirel
Apparently, Etheridge thinks he is a police officer and can arrest people for refusing to identify themselves.
A bit of hubris, eh?
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:53:09am |
re: #718 lawhawk
Do we have an unedited tape available? That would shed light on the subject.
As it stands right now, the video doesn't make the Rep. look good at all and should put him in line for criminal charges. Let's see what the rest of that video shows - and it might show that the Rep. was somehow accosted and he was protecting himself, but he should have known better than to assault the videographer - since it would be shown on tape.
At a minimum, poor judgment on his part because he knew or should have known that the video would be cut to make him look in as bad a light as possible.
Kilgore's No. 687.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:53:20am |
re: #721 MandyManners
If someone won't tell me who they are, my response is to turn my back and walk on, not to remain in the area and make unlawful, physical contact.
But Mandy... he's a congressperson... they have the right to treat that kid like the dirty little citizen he is... there has to be a well defined line between the plutocrats and the kleptocrats and the dirt below.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:54:28am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:55:01am |
re: #726 Walter L. Newton
But Mandy... he's a congressperson... they have the right to treat that kid like the dirty little citizen he is... there has to be a well defined line between the plutocrats and the kleptocrats and the dirt below.
You're cracking me up today, Walter!
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:55:12am |
re: #718 lawhawk
Do we have an unedited tape available? That would shed light on the subject.
As it stands right now, the video doesn't make the Rep. look good at all and should put him in line for criminal charges. Let's see what the rest of that video shows - and it might show that the Rep. was somehow accosted and he was protecting himself, but he should have known better than to assault the videographer - since it would be shown on tape.
At a minimum, poor judgment on his part because he knew or should have known that the video would be cut to make him look in as bad a light as possible.
Kilgore posted the unedited video at #687. There were two cameras and the first versions combined their video.
The "students" are probably Breitbart provocateurs, but learning to handle partisan media assholes without physically attacking them is a minimum skill for office holders.
| 730 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:55:19am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:55:43am |
re: #730 Walter L. Newton
Now ABC has it on their website/blog...
[Link: abclocal.go.com...]
This kid is in BIG TROUBLE.
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
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albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:57:07am |
re: #727 MandyManners
I've got it up, just in case...I love this song....I have boot from their reunion tour, a soundboard mix and the Bomber is just a fucking mind blower live....been there, done that, many times
| 734 |
Targetpractice Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:57:13am |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:57:23am |
re: #648 Mauser
Youtube has pinned the View counter at 328 for some unknown reason...
Any guesses why?
Please find out how YouTube works. There's no liberal conspiracy here. YouTube caches the view counters, and sometimes doesn't update for hours. It's not unusual at all.
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brookly red Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:57:41am |
re: #718 lawhawk
Do we have an unedited tape available? That would shed light on the subject.
As it stands right now, the video doesn't make the Rep. look good at all and should put him in line for criminal charges. Let's see what the rest of that video shows - and it might show that the Rep. was somehow accosted and he was protecting himself, but he should have known better than to assault the videographer - since it would be shown on tape.
At a minimum, poor judgment on his part because he knew or should have known that the video would be cut to make him look in as bad a light as possible.
I am not one to defend a congress-critter, but to be fair if a person or persons get in your face while you are walking down the street you do have to take your own safety into account. I think it was poor judgement but short of criminal.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:58:42am |
re: #731 MandyManners
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
Alternate headline:
RIGHTWING MEDIA IMPOSTORS TERRORIZE CONGRESSMAN!
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:00:56am |
re: #734 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Easy now, easy. Don't go all Red Queen on us.
| 739 |
Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:01:25am |
Funny Bone Alert.
Our teacher asked us what our favorite animal was, and I said,
"Fried chicken." She said I wasn't funny, but she couldn't have been
right, 'cause everyone else in the class laughed. My parents told me
to always be truthful and honest, and I am. Fried chicken is my
favorite animal. I told my dad what happened, and he said my teacher
was probably a member of PETA. He said they love animals very much. I
do, too. Especially chicken, pork and beef.
Anyway, my teacher sent me to the principal's office. I told
him what happened, and he laughed too. Then he told me not to do it
again.
The next day in class my teacher asked me what my favorite
live animal was. I told her it was chicken. She asked me why, just
like she'd asked the other children. So I told her it was because you
could make them into fried chicken. She sent me back to the
principal's office again. He laughed, and told me not to do it again.
I don't understand. My parents taught me to be honest, but my teacher
doesn't like it when I am.
Today, my teacher asked us to tell her what famous person we
admire most. I told her, "Colonel Sanders". Guess where I am now...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:01:35am |
re: #728 MandyManners
You're cracking me up today, Walter!
It amazes me that a lot of the first reaction here was that it was probably alright, that we weren't getting the whole story, that the congressman may have had a right to do what he did...
If the kid was holding a gun or knife in the face of the congressman, using some foul language, if there was some evidence of physical provocation... then the congressman might have some reason to have responded like he did...
NOTHING in those tapes suggests that... even in the tape edited down from two tapes... which evidently left nothing out, and simply inserted some title cards... it was obvious that the congressman overreacted in the least.
But that seems to be a blind spot to some... scary in my opinion. This kind of behavior is not good for either side... and you have the volatile wacky right just waiting for more physical push-back like this.
If we start having people on both sides get reactionary like this, shits going to break out... there are a lot of wacky rights that are just hoping for more of this.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:01:45am |
re: #736 brookly red
I am not one to defend a congress-critter, but to be fair if a person or persons get in your face while you are walking down the street you do have to take your own safety into account. I think it was poor judgement but short of criminal.
You can walk away. You don't have to stay in the area and HOLD the person who frightens you.
| 742 |
Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:02:50am |
re: #736 brookly red
I am not one to defend a congress-critter, but to be fair if a person or persons get in your face while you are walking down the street you do have to take your own safety into account. I think it was poor judgement but short of criminal.
Where is the threatening behavior? "Hi Congressman, how are you" doesn't sound threatening to me.
| 743 |
Mauser Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:03:30am |
re: #735 Charles
Please find out how YouTube works. There's no liberal conspiracy here. YouTube caches the view counters, and sometimes doesn't update for hours. It's not unusual at all.
I have my doubts based on these things: The raw video has a higher hit count than the popular one.... the oldest comment mentioning the pinned counter are over three hours old.
On the other hand, the most popular page has them at #4 already. That seems to be updating in a timely manner.
Maybe Google should hire you, because you're a hell of a lot better at writing code that updates on the fly. And that's not a facetious comment.
| 744 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:03:37am |
re: #740 Walter L. Newton
It amazes me that a lot of the first reaction here was that it was probably alright, that we weren't getting the whole story, that the congressman may have had a right to do what he did...
If the kid was holding a gun or knife in the face of the congressman, using some foul language, if there was some evidence of physical provocation... then the congressman might have some reason to have responded like he did...
NOTHING in those tapes suggests that... even in the tape edited down from two tapes... which evidently left nothing out, and simply inserted some title cards... it was obvious that the congressman overreacted in the least.
But that seems to be a blind spot to some... scary in my opinion. This kind of behavior is not good for either side... and you have the volatile wacky right just waiting for more physical push-back like this.
If we start having people on both sides get reactionary like this, shits going to break out... there are a lot of wacky rights that are just hoping for more of this.
Like laying hands on Karl Rove trying to make a citizen's arrest?
| 745 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:03:40am |
Charles, have you ever worked with Jeff "Skunk" Baxter? Really interesing guy. Played guitar with Steely Dan, Doobie Brothers and others, and now he's a defense analyst.
| 746 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:04:11am |
re: #741 MandyManners
You can walk away. You don't have to stay in the area and HOLD the person who frightens you.
up in MI, I was buster for assault...verbal assault is criminal
I beat it in court, but I spent a weekend in jail and THAT still really pisses me off
| 747 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:04:29am |
re: #743 Mauser
I have my doubts based on these things: The raw video has a higher hit count than the popular one... the oldest comment mentioning the pinned counter are over three hours old.
On the other hand, the most popular page has them at #4 already. That seems to be updating in a timely manner.
Maybe Google should hire you, because you're a hell of a lot better at writing code that updates on the fly. And that's not a facetious comment.
You're just being silly. This is the kind of paranoid speculation that makes the right look bad.
YouTube's video counters are cached. There's no conspiracy. Period.
| 748 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:04:40am |
re: #742 Boogberg
Where is the threatening behavior? "Hi Congressman, how are you" doesn't sound threatening to me.
sometimes, it's the odor
| 749 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:05:21am |
re: #745 Mad Al-Jaffee
Charles, have you ever worked with Jeff "Skunk" Baxter? Really interesing guy. Played guitar with Steely Dan, Doobie Brothers and others, and now he's a defense analyst.
Skunk!
2 pts
| 750 |
avanti Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:06:47am |
re: #736 brookly red
I agree, the Congressman acted inappropriately, but I short of a assault.
"Assault is a crime of violence against another person. In some jurisdictions, including Australia and New Zealand, assault refers to an act that causes another to apprehend immediate and personal violence, while in other jurisdictions, such as the United States, assault may refer only to the threat of violence caused by an immediate show of force."
It's the sort of get that camera out of my face thing we see everyday when the subject looses his/her cool, and a apology to the student is in order. On the Congressman's side, he may have wanted to know why he was being approached and photographed, but he handled it poorly by touching the kid.
| 751 |
Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:07:05am |
We have a flying pig moment of historic dimensions here:
Free Republic and Democratic Underground largely AGREE: Etheridge is a dick.
| 752 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:07:20am |
re: #740 Walter L. Newton
I haven't watched the video yet, but I have very serious doubts about it already because it comes from Andrew Breitbart, who has shown himself to be a psycho who distorts the truth. If he said the sky was blue I would have to double-check it.
He does not deserve the automatic credit he gets from the right. Any story he pushes should be considered very suspect.
| 753 |
RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:08:31am |
re: #738 MandyManners
[Video]
I have a big Shisha I brought back from Saudi (with a pic of King Fahd on it) and I finally found a local supplier of the right kind of tobacco to use with it. I'm still hesitant to sit on my front porch and use it though. I don't really need to live through a SWAT raid because I'm smoking apple tobacco.
| 754 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:08:38am |
re: #745 Mad Al-Jaffee
Charles, have you ever worked with Jeff "Skunk" Baxter? Really interesing guy. Played guitar with Steely Dan, Doobie Brothers and others, and now he's a defense analyst.
and Brian may is a Dr of astrophysics
| 755 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:08:50am |
Here's my take on the videos. At 0:12 of this video.....
That camera is very close to the congressman's face. The kids were being annoying, not asking serious questions and were probably being fairly agressive trying to imitate ambush journalism. My guess is the camera was just a few inches from the congressman's face and he felt threatened. Also the kids seem very concerned with their privacy. They won't identify themselves to the congressman and they even go to the effort to blur out their faces in the video. They might just be stupid kids but they also seem very interested in hiding their identity for some unknown reason.
That being said, the congressman should have either walked past or done the interview but to stay and have a confrontation was probably not the best decision.
| 756 |
brookly red Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:10:06am |
re: #741 MandyManners
re: #742 Boogberg
Where is the threatening behavior? "Hi Congressman, how are you" doesn't sound threatening to me.
Neither of us were there, in these parts walking up to a stranger & sticking an "object in their face" can also be considered assault and considering the current climate the folks in Washington are a little jumpy these days. I don't think this is going to yield any kind of charges. I could be wrong & we shall see.
| 757 |
Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:10:15am |
re: #748 albusteve
sometimes, it's the odor
Haha! :D
I don't think modern students do the smelly hippy thing though.
| 758 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:10:15am |
Wonkette's take is kinda funny...
Why Does This Congressman Want To Kill These Annoying Children?
| 759 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:10:28am |
re: #746 albusteve
up in MI, I was buster for assault...verbal assault is criminal
I beat it in court, but I spent a weekend in jail and THAT still really pisses me off
Power of the state. Wasn't someone arguing the other day that a greedy person is worse than the state?
| 760 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:11:26am |
re: #753 RogueOne
I have a big Shisha I brought back from Saudi (with a pic of King Fahd on it) and I finally found a local supplier of the right kind of tobacco to use with it. I'm still hesitant to sit on my front porch and use it though. I don't really need to live through a SWAT raid because I'm smoking apple tobacco.
Chicken!
| 761 |
Targetpractice Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:11:31am |
re: #738 MandyManners
[Video]
Good stuff, but I got addicted to this version after watching Resident Evil: Extinction the other day.
| 762 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:11:42am |
if I was the kid...I'd be famous for knocking out a US congressman....somebody grabs me like that, it's lights out....wooohooo! tough guy!
| 763 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:11:45am |
| 764 |
Targetpractice Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:12:36am |
re: #751 Shiplord Kirel
We have a flying pig moment of historic dimensions here:
Free Republic and Democratic Underground largely AGREE: Etheridge is a dick.
Shit, miracles do happen!
| 765 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:13:02am |
re: #759 MandyManners
Power of the state. Wasn't someone arguing the other day that a greedy person is worse than the state?
nothing is worse than the 'state'....
maybe Al Capone
| 766 |
prairiefire Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:13:10am |
re: #759 MandyManners
Power of the state. Wasn't someone arguing the other day that a greedy person is worse than the state?
Yep, that was me. A criminal person needs to be detected and then caught. Our government can be corrected by the will of the people.
| 767 |
brookly red Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:13:13am |
re: #762 albusteve
if I was the kid...I'd be famous for knocking out a US congressman...somebody grabs me like that, it's lights out...wooohooo! tough guy!
I'll send you cigarettes...
| 768 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:13:59am |
By the way, I keep getting emails through the contact form from people I've never heard from before, telling me I should link to a bogus video from 2009, and claiming it shows heavy weapons being taken off the Gaza flotilla ships.
I strongly suspect this is a deliberate effort to get me to link to a bogus story that can then be used to discredit my posts about the Reuters pictures.
| 769 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:14:18am |
re: #753 RogueOne
"It was I, you fools! The man you trusted wasn't Wavy Gravy at
all! [tosses a guitar away] And all this time, I've been smoking
harmless tobacco."
Mr. Burns
| 770 |
Mauser Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:14:27am |
re: #755 Killgore Trout
Here's my take on the videos. At 0:12 of this video...
[Video]That camera is very close to the congressman's face. The kids were being annoying, not asking serious questions and were probably being fairly agressive trying to imitate ambush journalism. My guess is the camera was just a few inches from the congressman's face and he felt threatened.
Considering that seconds before he was yards away, I'd suggest that the reason the camera was so close to the Senator was because he closed in on it in an effort to seize it. We can't tell if Camerman #1 moved other than to turn to keep the Senator in frame.
Closing in on people you find threatening seems to be a negative tactic.
Also the kids seem very concerned with their privacy. They won't identify themselves to the congressman and they even go to the effort to blur out their faces in the video. They might just be stupid kids but they also seem very interested in hiding their identity for some unknown reason.
Allergic to death threats I Imagine.
That being said, the congressman should have either walked past or done the interview but to stay and have a confrontation was probably not the best decision.
Agreed.
| 771 |
Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:15:03am |
re: #758 Killgore Trout
Wonkette's take is kinda funny...
Why Does This Congressman Want To Kill These Annoying Children?
I'm down with it. WANTING to kill media assholes is perfectly understandable, taking physical action in that direction is something else again.
| 772 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:15:05am |
Gotta' go pick up The Kid from baseball camp. Or, is it basketball? Shoot. I can't keep it straight.
| 773 |
Boogberg Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:15:32am |
re: #756 brookly red
re: #742 Boogberg
Neither of us were there, in these parts walking up to a stranger & sticking an "object in their face" can also be considered assault and considering the current climate the folks in Washington are a little jumpy these days. I don't think this is going to yield any kind of charges. I could be wrong & we shall see.
Oh come on now. A Congressman isn't used to having a camera in his face? They thrive on it during election time.
| 774 |
avanti Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:15:43am |
re: #752 Charles
I haven't watched the video yet, but I have very serious doubts about it already because it comes from Andrew Breitbart, who has shown himself to be a psycho who distorts the truth. If he said the sky was blue I would have to double-check it.
He does not deserve the automatic credit he gets from the right. Any story he pushes should be considered very suspect.
Here, I have to disagree with you Charles. Yes, the source is suspect, and he has a agenda that encourages distortion, but just because we know that, does not mean the broken watch is not right twice a day.
Some on right won't look at facts presented from you, and dismiss it out of hand, but we should not do the same from sources we are not fond of.
If the video is accurate, the Congressman screwed up, and I see no reason why the source of the story changes that.
| 775 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:15:50am |
re: #755 Killgore Trout
Here's my take on the videos. At 0:12 of this video...
[Video]
That camera is very close to the congressman's face. The kids were being annoying, not asking serious questions and were probably being fairly agressive trying to imitate ambush journalism. My guess is the camera was just a few inches from the congressman's face and he felt threatened. Also the kids seem very concerned with their privacy. They won't identify themselves to the congressman and they even go to the effort to blur out their faces in the video. They might just be stupid kids but they also seem very interested in hiding their identity for some unknown reason.
That being said, the congressman should have either walked past or done the interview but to stay and have a confrontation was probably not the best decision.
It's another huge outrage that turns out to be pretty much nothing. The congressman probably overreacted, but those kids were being very aggressive and asking stalkerish questions like "Do you support the Obama Agenda?" What the hell is that supposed to mean?
| 776 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:15:57am |
re: #755 Killgore Trout
Here's my take on the videos. At 0:12 of this video...
[Video]
That camera is very close to the congressman's face. The kids were being annoying, not asking serious questions and were probably being fairly agressive trying to imitate ambush journalism. My guess is the camera was just a few inches from the congressman's face and he felt threatened. Also the kids seem very concerned with their privacy. They won't identify themselves to the congressman and they even go to the effort to blur out their faces in the video. They might just be stupid kids but they also seem very interested in hiding their identity for some unknown reason.
That being said, the congressman should have either walked past or done the interview but to stay and have a confrontation was probably not the best decision.
Don't cameras have a zoom?
Can we really tell how close they are?
They might be, but I would be careful about making assumptions either way.
The kids may very well have been acting in an aggravating way. Just like a hundred people I run into every week. And for the congressman to escalate the confrontation was just wrong. Politicians are (or should be) very well practiced in the art of deflecting difficult questions/situations.
| 777 |
Mauser Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:16:29am |
Grrr, Preview is not my friend. The button didn't work. Did I miss a change where all the nifty dynamic page stuff went away?
| 778 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:16:43am |
re: #774 avanti
Here, I have to disagree with you Charles. Yes, the source is suspect, and he has a agenda that encourages distortion, but just because we know that, does not mean the broken watch is not right twice a day.
Some on right won't look at facts presented from you, and dismiss it out of hand, but we should not do the same from sources we are not fond of.
If the video is accurate, the Congressman screwed up, and I see no reason why the source of the story changes that.
I didn't say you should dismiss it out of hand, I said you should be very suspicious about videos coming from Breitbart. And you should.
| 779 |
brookly red Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:17:17am |
re: #773 Boogberg
Oh come on now. A Congressman isn't used to having a camera in his face? They thrive on it during election time.
/OK your right... let's ship him off to Saudi Arabia for art therapy.
| 780 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:17:36am |
re: #768 Charles
By the way, I keep getting emails through the contact form from people I've never heard from before, telling me I should link to a bogus video from 2009, and claiming it shows heavy weapons being taken off the Gaza flotilla ships.
I strongly suspect this is a deliberate effort to get me to link to a bogus story that can then be used to discredit my posts about the Reuters pictures.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of links around to that as well. I didn't bother with it because I felt it was old news. I think the footage was from the Iranian arms shipment that was intercepted. It was a pretty well documented incident. I guess people are bringing it up again because Iran is participating in the next Peace Activist flotilla.
| 781 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:18:27am |
re: #777 Mauser
Grrr, Preview is not my friend. The button didn't work. Did I miss a change where all the nifty dynamic page stuff went away?
you have been cast into the Third Dimension
| 782 |
RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:18:32am |
re: #763 TheMatrix31
Blah, Apple.
These guys' tobacco is the best.
Is it the right stuff though? I usually get mine from family in SA and it's almost like a fruit preserve with tobacco mixed in. Messy, good stuff.
| 783 |
brookly red Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:19:26am |
re: #782 RogueOne
Is it the right stuff though? I usually get mine from family in SA and it's almost like a fruit preserve with tobacco mixed in. Messy, good stuff.
do you smoke it or eat it?
| 784 |
ShaunP Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:19:50am |
re: #776 reine.de.tout
Don't cameras have a zoom?
Can we really tell how close they are?
They might be, but I would be careful about making assumptions either way.The kids may very well have been acting in an aggravating way. Just like a hundred people I run into every week. And for the congressman to escalate the confrontation was just wrong. Politicians are (or should be) very well practiced in the art of deflecting difficult questions/situations.
IMO, there's nothing in the video that warranted the reaction that the congressman had. Camera too close and felt threatened don't explain his actions.
The only reason why I could even see anything reasonable about his reaction is if there was some previous issue with this particular student, like I mentioned before. Person skulking around the family, visiting his house at night, etc.
| 785 |
Mauser Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:20:03am |
re: #781 albusteve
you have been cast into the Third Dimension
Rats, I would have preferred to be cast into the Fifth Dimension. They're two better, you know.
| 786 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:21:09am |
re: #768 Charles
Heh. You should post something about that - and rickroll 'em. Calling them out by name - each and every one of them that decided to send you the bogus video and that you're giving proper attribution in every instance.
Just to be sure.
| 787 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:21:11am |
re: #770 Mauser
re: #776 reine.de.tout
Don't cameras have a zoom?
Can we really tell how close they are?
They might be, but I would be careful about making assumptions either way.The kids may very well have been acting in an aggravating way. Just like a hundred people I run into every week. And for the congressman to escalate the confrontation was just wrong. Politicians are (or should be) very well practiced in the art of deflecting difficult questions/situations.
My guess is that the congressman tried to stop to answer their questions but the kids got too excited and were holding the camera too close to his face and they refused to go through the formality of identifying themselves. They screwed up the interview but the congressman should have just walked away.
| 788 |
darthstar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:21:46am |
re: #785 Mauser
Rats, I would have preferred to be cast into the Fifth Dimension. They're two better, you know.
Agreed.
| 790 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:22:17am |
re: #719 lawhawk
Another rally against the SI mosque - lots of fearful neighbors wondering what they're getting as a potential neighbor - concerns over traffic, etc.
Concerns over traffic? Please.
NIMBYism.
| 791 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:22:38am |
re: #786 lawhawk
Heh. You should post something about that - and rickroll 'em. Calling them out by name - each and every one of them that decided to send you the bogus video and that you're giving proper attribution in every instance.
Just to be sure.
good idea, I like it
| 792 |
brookly red Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:22:44am |
re: #787 Killgore Trout
re: #776 reine.de.tout
My guess is that the congressman tried to stop to answer their questions but the kids got too excited and were holding the camera too close to his face and they refused to go through the formality of identifying themselves. They screwed up the interview but the congressman should have just walked away.
I wonder how old the kid is? If he is a minor that changes everything.
| 793 |
CuriousLurker Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:22:48am |
Hi, Lizards. I can't stay, but I though you guys might enjoy this:
[Link: www.rethinkingschools.org...]
Blank map of North Africa, the Middle east and Central Asia; drag each country name to its correct place on the map (Flash required).
I got three wrong on the first try, but one was just a stupid mistake due to not paying close enough attention. I'll admit that if I hadn't looked at a map of Central Asia just this weekend, there's no way I would have gotten Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan correct.
Going to post it to my LGF page, then get back to work.
| 795 |
darthstar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:23:14am |
re: #788 darthstar
I also like that you can clearly see that the planets are hung by strings tied to visible D-rings...Space does have gravity...this proves it.
| 796 |
avanti Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:23:30am |
re: #778 Charles
I didn't say you should dismiss it out of hand, I said you should be very suspicious about videos coming from Breitbart. And you should.
We are in agreement, and I wish the right wing blogs that ignore your stories would do the same. I don't mind them being suspicious of a LGF thread, but they tend to just label it as BS without the sort of discussion that is welcome here.
Hell, crazy Pam might even post something accurate some day./
| 798 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:25:12am |
So, no mosque within the radius described by the distance between the "sacred ground" of 9/11 and this community on Staten Island?
That's going to prevent a whole lotta mosques, and maybe cause some to be closed.
| 799 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:25:15am |
re: #782 RogueOne
Oh yeah. The hookah tobacco is always mixed with a molasses and the flavoring or whatever. That's some good stuff. Another good brand is Starbuzz, but thats a bit more expensive.
| 801 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:26:20am |
I've lost the little 'go back to the body of the thread after you post' button...it vanished
| 802 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:26:26am |
re: #796 avanti
Hell, crazy Pam might even post something accurate some day./
Okay, now you're smoking the weird stuff.
| 803 |
Joo-LiZ Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:28:58am |
Great song by some Israeli hip-hop artists, brought about in response to the Flotilla incident.
Really catchy song, "United" by RUFF, SHI360 & EVISH.
| 804 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:29:22am |
re: #792 brookly red
I wonder how old the kid is? If he is a minor that changes everything.
They look pretty young. It's hard to tell with the faces blurred out.
| 805 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:30:53am |
The wingnuts are revolting....
Alabama Tea Partier Defends 'Gather Your Armies' TV Ad (VIDEO)
| 806 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:31:16am |
re: #787 Killgore Trout
re: #776 reine.de.tout
My guess is that the congressman tried to stop to answer their questions but the kids got too excited and were holding the camera too close to his face and they refused to go through the formality of identifying themselves. They screwed up the interview but the congressman should have just walked away.
Yes, he should have just walked away. Instead, he gave Breitbart exactly what he was looking for. Not smart.
| 807 |
brookly red Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:31:51am |
re: #804 Killgore Trout
They look pretty young. It's hard to tell with the faces blurred out.
I think it is a safe bet that the details will come out, my gut says he is at least 18 or the headlines would be rather ugly.
| 808 |
avanti Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:32:00am |
re: #804 Killgore Trout
They look pretty young. It's hard to tell with the faces blurred out.
Is it just me, or are we seeing a rise in ambush journalism from amateurs trying to get or manufacture a story ? We see it from both sides a lot recently.
| 809 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:32:08am |
If "just a student" comes up, sticks a camera that close in my face, and persists in not identifying himself upon demand, I'm going to get a little testy, too.
You do not begin an interview with a question, you begin it by telling the person who you are and asking for permission to ask questions. Like the rabbi did with Helen Thomas.
| 810 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:32:33am |
re: #805 Killgore Trout
The wingnuts are revolting...
Alabama Tea Partier Defends 'Gather Your Armies' TV Ad (VIDEO)[Video]
Good lord. What a psychotic advertisement.
| 811 |
brookly red Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:33:56am |
re: #805 Killgore Trout
The wingnuts are revolting...
Alabama Tea Partier Defends 'Gather Your Armies' TV Ad (VIDEO)[Video]
well like I said the folks in Washington are understandably a bit jumpy these days.
| 812 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:34:23am |
re: #808 avanti
Is it just me, or are we seeing a rise in ambush journalism from amateurs trying to get or manufacture a story ? We see it from both sides a lot recently.
A lot of these young amateurs were apparently trained in the Dylan Avery School of Journalism. They think that shoving a microphone/camera in someone's face, yelling a few incoherent talking points, and getting tossed out on their ass with some (arguably or otherwise) justifiable use of physical force counts as "speaking truth to power".
| 813 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:35:59am |
re: #806 Charles
Yes, he should have just walked away. Instead, he gave Breitbart exactly what he was looking for. Not smart.
Agreed. The congressman will probably issue an apology later this afternoon. The wingnuts are claiming this is proof of Obama's thug tactics and silencing dissent. Remember Mike Stark?
Sen. Allen's thugs assault Mike Stark
Wingnuts weren't outraged over this. Just another outrageous outrage.
| 814 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:36:30am |
re: #812 thedopefishlives
A lot of these young amateurs were apparently trained in the Dylan Avery School of Journalism. They think that shoving a microphone/camera in someone's face, yelling a few incoherent talking points, and getting tossed out on their ass with some (arguably or otherwise) justifiable use of physical force counts as "speaking truth to power".
kids these days...no respect
| 815 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:36:55am |
re: #808 avanti
Is it just me, or are we seeing a rise in ambush journalism from amateurs trying to get or manufacture a story ? We see it from both sides a lot recently.
That just occurred to me as well. Mike Stark was famous for it. See 813.
| 816 |
avanti Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:37:11am |
re: #806 Charles
Yes, he should have just walked away. Instead, he gave Breitbart exactly what he was looking for. Not smart.
20 years ago, we just had a few news sources, now we have 1000's of blogs and the rest looking for a scoop. Walk up to a few dozen politicians until you find one in a bad mood, and get them to screw up, and you get a story. In the past, those kids would not be able to get any traction over a minor dust up like that.
Now, if the POTUS orders a hot dog with a fancy mustard, it's a scandal.
| 817 |
darthstar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:38:01am |
| 818 |
RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:39:29am |
re: #809 Cato the Elder
If "just a student" comes up, sticks a camera that close in my face, and persists in not identifying himself upon demand, I'm going to get a little testy, too.
You do not begin an interview with a question, you begin it by telling the person who you are and asking for permission to ask questions. Like the rabbi did with Helen Thomas.
He's an incumbent democrat up for re-election who looks like he's getting tired of people asking questions regarding his support for the policies of the president. He's about to be out of a job which is probably why he's so cranky.
| 819 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:41:18am |
I just watched the Breitbart version of the video, and it's radically edited. There's no doubt the congressman behaved poorly, but that video is biased crap.
| 820 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:41:44am |
re: #819 Charles
I just watched the Breitbart version of the video, and it's radically edited. There's no doubt the congressman behaved poorly, but that video is biased crap.
Color me surprised.
| 821 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:42:50am |
| 822 |
darthstar Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:42:58am |
re: #819 Charles
I just watched the Breitbart version of the video, and it's radically edited. There's no doubt the congressman behaved poorly, but that video is biased crap.
Yep...we have no idea what was said between the congressman walking up and his holding the guy's arm. Could be anything from "Do you like puppies?" to "Have you stopped beating your wife?"
| 823 |
RogueOne Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:43:28am |
re: #816 avanti
20 years ago, we just had a few news sources, now we have 1000's of blogs and the rest looking for a scoop. Walk up to a few dozen politicians until you find one in a bad mood, and get them to screw up, and you get a story. In the past, those kids would not be able to get any traction over a minor dust up like that.
Now, if the POTUS orders a hot dog with a fancy mustard, it's a scandal.
Anyone from chicago who doesn't know how to properly prepare a hot dog should be considered unfit for office.
| 824 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:43:54am |
re: #818 RogueOne
He's an incumbent democrat up for re-election who looks like he's getting tired of people asking questions regarding his support for the policies of the president. He's about to be out of a job which is probably why he's so cranky.
A a normal reaction from someone in his state of mind is to smack a kid. It happens all the time, I'm not sure where the problem is?
| 825 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:45:20am |
re: #819 Charles
I just watched the Breitbart version of the video, and it's radically edited. There's no doubt the congressman behaved poorly, but that video is biased crap.
Have you watched the unedited two video source that Killgore linked to... there were two camera... call it a master shot camera and a POV shot camera...
No edits...
re: #687 Killgore Trout
| 826 |
avanti Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:47:22am |
re: #824 Walter L. Newton
A a normal reaction from someone in his state of mind is to smack a kid. It happens all the time, I'm not sure where the problem is?
I missed the part where he smacked the kid ?
| 827 |
Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:47:29am |
re: #812 thedopefishlives
A lot of these young amateurs were apparently trained in the Dylan Avery School of Journalism. They think that shoving a microphone/camera in someone's face, yelling a few incoherent talking points, and getting tossed out on their ass with some (arguably or otherwise) justifiable use of physical force counts as "speaking truth to power".
Interesting you should mention that. Dylan Avery got HANDED his ass a few years ago when he dared to post his idiocy at LGF, here, here, and several other places around the same time. This is the 9-11 remembrance post the evil troofer attacked to set me off.
| 828 |
McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:49:12am |
re: #826 avanti
I missed the part where he smacked the kid ?
Don't let things like facts get in the way of a good rant about the upcoming neo-feudalism period.
| 829 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:49:39am |
re: #826 avanti
I missed the part where he smacked the kid ?
He smacked the kids arm which caused him to drop the camera... or did you just miss the camera flailing around on the ground?
| 830 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:49:54am |
| 831 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:49:55am |
re: #826 avanti
I missed the part where he smacked the kid ?
he didn't, and Walter didn't say that he did...got it?
| 832 |
Nimed Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:50:33am |
re: #805 Killgore Trout
The wingnuts are revolting...
Alabama Tea Partier Defends 'Gather Your Armies' TV Ad (VIDEO)[Video]
Oh, my. The flintlocks! Gather. Your. Armies. This stuff is hilarious!
From the TPM article:
[Candidate Rick] Barber said that using the phrase "gather your armies" and stroking revolutionary-era pistols could lead some to get the wrong impression of his message -- but there's nothing that can be done about that.
"You've always got some folks that could take it the wrong way," he said.
No shit, Rick.
| 833 |
albusteve Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:50:34am |
re: #829 Walter L. Newton
He smacked the kids arm which caused him to drop the camera... or did you just miss the camera flailing around on the ground?
I thought you meant in the chops....my bad
| 834 |
McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:50:35am |
re: #831 albusteve
he didn't, and Walter didn't say that he did...got it?
Well, except in his #829. Got it?
| 835 |
Ericus58 Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:50:46am |
One thought I had concerning the unrest (Civil War?) occurring in Kyrgyzstan.
Will this turn into a Balkans - similar to the 90's events in which Ethnic groups set upon each other? What makes this rioting and destruction noteworthy is the adjoining countries formed all hold Ethnic groups in common to each other - and why Uzbekistan is taking in refugee's of Uzbek background. There already is tension between Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, their common borders have been closed for months previous to this.
| 836 |
McSpiff Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:51:08am |
| 837 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:51:18am |
re: #827 Shiplord Kirel
Interesting you should mention that. Dylan Avery got HANDED his ass a few years ago when he dared to post his idiocy at LGF, here, here, and several other places around the same time. This is the 9-11 remembrance post the evil troofer attacked to set me off.
Wow. I don't like Dylan at all, but he's got some kind of balls to even think about posting here. If I'd been around, I would've summarily toasted them over the troll barbecue.
| 838 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:52:45am |
re: #831 albusteve
he didn't, and Walter didn't say that he did...got it?
I sort of did... I was referring to smacking the arm/hand of the kid with the camera causing it to fall... and in general, the smacking around of the kid... maybe manhandled would have been a better term.
What ever.
The two video version is as iron clad as anyone needs... unless someone would have the nerve to suggest that the kids were harassing the congressman for hours before that or something, and he had a good reason to hit the kid...
| 839 |
avanti Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:57:18am |
re: #829 Walter L. Newton
He smacked the kids arm which caused him to drop the camera... or did you just miss the camera flailing around on the ground?
re: #838 Walter L. Newton
I sort of did... I was referring to smacking the arm/hand of the kid with the camera causing it to fall... and in general, the smacking around of the kid... maybe manhandled would have been a better term.
What ever.
The two video version is as iron clad as anyone needs... unless someone would have the nerve to suggest that the kids were harassing the congressman for hours before that or something, and he had a good reason to hit the kid...
You say smack the kid or hit the kid, I saw him trying to get the camera out of his face by grabbing at it. I'm not excusing that, but hitting/smacking the kid sounds like a over reach to me.
| 840 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:04:47am |
re: #829 Walter L. Newton
He smacked the kids arm which caused him to drop the camera... or did you just miss the camera flailing around on the ground?
According to the second angle video, the congressman held the kid's hand to his suit jacket, hence the "flailing around". The camera was not smacked out of his hand, and did not land on the ground.
Unless it's one of those new bionic cameras. Cameras don't "flail" unless you're still holding them.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:09:24am |
Dem Rep Apologizes For Video Of Him Roughing Up College Student:
Washington, DC, Jun 14 - U.S. Rep. Bob Etheridge (D-Lillington) released the following statement on the viral video which appeared on the internet today:
"I have seen the video posted on several blogs. I deeply and profoundly regret my reaction and I apologize to all involved. Throughout my many years of service to the people of North Carolina, I have always tried to treat people from all viewpoints with respect. No matter how intrusive and partisan our politics can become, this does not justify a poor response. I have and I will always work to promote a civil public discourse."
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:16:07am |
re: #496 Van Helsing
And just to add to the snark, if you have a definition, POST IT!
Why don't you go fuck yourself?
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Interesting Times Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:18:33am |
re: #842 iceweasel
Why don't you go fuck yourself?
Click his avatar to find out why he likely won't see your suggestion ;)
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:25:04am |
re: #844 publicityStunted
Click his avatar to find out why he likely won't see your suggestion ;)
I don't care.
re: #463 Gus 802
I'm jumping out of this airplane. Had enough of
Van HelsingGlenn Beck asking for a definition of progressives.
That's what I'm talking about. Douchebag VH leaves puddle of wingnutty piss all over the overnight, drives off good people.
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:27:33am |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:29:07am |
re: #845 iceweasel
That's what I'm talking about. Douchebag VH leaves puddle of wingnutty piss all over the overnight, drives off good people.
He won't be doing that any more.
Any time I have to delete dozens of abusive insulting comments by someone, I'm just going to block their account. I don't need to wake up to a bunch of stupid busywork to clean up other people's messes.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:32:04am |
re: #847 Charles
He won't be doing that any more.
Any time I have to delete dozens of abusive insulting comments by someone, I'm just going to block their account. I don't need to wake up to a bunch of stupid busywork to clean up other people's messes.
Thank you.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:34:28am |
Good Morning All! Happy Monday!
Hi Ice! Hi Charles! Hi Obdicut! Hi everyone else! Did you all have a nice weekend?
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:35:05am |
re: #848 iceweasel
Thank you.
Wait... you mean that nonsense just ended? I've been to the city for an interview, came back and it's just now over?
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:36:09am |
re: #850 JasonA
Wait... you mean that nonsense just ended? I've been to the city for an interview, came back and it's just now over?
What ever it was I'm glad I missed it! Don't like snarky posters, indeed I don't!
| 852 |
Four More Tears Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:36:46am |
re: #851 Dragon_Lady
What ever it was I'm glad I missed it! Don't like snarky posters, indeed I don't!
Oh...
*pouts and shuffles off...*
| 853 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:37:21am |
| 854 |
prairiefire Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:41:03am |
re: #849 Dragon_Lady
Good Morning All! Happy Monday!
Hi Ice! Hi Charles! Hi Obdicut! Hi everyone else! Did you all have a nice weekend?
Kudos to you, good wifey!!! RWC said he had an excellent time at his surprise birthday party.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:44:13am |
re: #849 Dragon_Lady
Good Morning All! Happy Monday!
Hi Ice! Hi Charles! Hi Obdicut! Hi everyone else! Did you all have a nice weekend?
Hey, happy belated bday to RWC!! Heard he loved the party!
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:51:46am |
re: #854 prairiefire
Kudos to you, good wifey!!! RWC said he had an excellent time at his surprise birthday party.
re: #855 iceweasel
Hey, happy belated bday to RWC!! Heard he loved the party!
Yeah, it was fun but I'll never do that again! Ever! Do you know haw hard it is to keep a secret like that from your spouse? I was a nervous wreck and the stress has broken out a rash on my forehead. I texted my neighbor over a dozen times that morning and RWC was wondering if I was becoming addicted to texting and if he should take my phone away.
| 857 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:54:28am |
re: #855 iceweasel
Thanks Ice! Yes she totally pulled off a great time. Amazing
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:09:48pm |
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OldnGrumpy Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:22:50pm |
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Obdicut Mon, Jun 14, 2010 12:29:58pm |
re: #860 OldnGrumpy
I'm guessing he compared the economic effects, and it's being used as a stick to beat him with.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jun 15, 2010 12:01:03am |
re: #386 Spare O'Lake
You sound like a drama queen at the moment.
re: #340 Bagua
He had a lot of vile insults hurled at him and did no more than snark in reply. Demonising him as a hater is obscene. If it is not possible to debate illegal immigration without such absurd charges then one has a very weak position.
Hmm. You two seem to have a 'strategy'? of taking the side of any troll who has some sort of deap seated problem with me or iceweasel, no matter how obvious his total desperation and douchebaggery is to everyone else.
How's that working out for you?
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