Regular readers probably know that I’m not the biggest fan of the “tea party” demonstrations, but I was surprised to see so little media coverage of the July 4th events. Here’s a thread to discuss the implications…
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:29:22pm |
We'd get Luap Nor for president?
*gack*
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quiet man Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:29:55pm |
Then it would a pretend one given by liberals
The Tea parties yesterday were filled with Patriots..Again
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OldLineTexan Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:30:21pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:30:30pm |
Not enough Paulistinians, Stormfronters, and friends of Bigfoot to discredit the conservative movement?
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HC4BO Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:30:39pm |
/just kidding
You want to tell me there was actual teabagging and NOBODY came ... ?
/just kidding ...
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pink freud Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:31:38pm |
re: #7 Shiplord Kirel
Not enough Paulistinians, Stormfronters, and friends of Bigfoot to discredit the conservative movement?
There's an interesting take on things.
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quiet man Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:32:05pm |
Imagine Obama at one..explaining why our kids wont mind some Original sin
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:32:27pm |
re: #8 HC4BO
/just kidding
You want to tell me there was actual teabagging and NOBODY came ... ?
/just kidding ...
SMACK!
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:33:10pm |
re: #1 legalpad
I know zip about tea parties.
Do you like water cress sandwiches with the crusts cut off?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:33:15pm |
re: #11 quiet man
Imagine Obama at one..explaining why our kids wont mind some Original sin
What the hell does that mean?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:33:27pm |
Well, I'll just have to do my own media thing (shameless repost). Our great nephew was at the one in Prescott, AZ along with some distinguished guests:
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quiet man Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:34:43pm |
re: #14 Dark_Falcon
Original sin is that sin which is laid on you without you deserving or causing it.
here read Taxation our kids will pay for without benefit
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:35:59pm |
I covered our Tea Party. Covered it in the Fat Bastard Gazette (my home's newsletter).
Circulation? 1.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:36:21pm |
re: #7 Shiplord Kirel
Not enough Paulistinians, Stormfronters, and friends of Bigfoot to discredit the conservative movement?
hmmm.. interesting thought.
Or the reporters didn't want to look like total jackasses like that one lady on CNN (don't remember her name).
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:36:23pm |
who goes to tea parties on the Fourth of July?....gimme a break
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legalpad Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:36:26pm |
re: #13 MandyManners
Do you like water cress sandwiches with the crusts cut off?
Hey - leave the crusts on! It's all good.
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:36:38pm |
Too busy hyping Michael Jackson and slamming Sarah Palin. Besides, Beavis and Butthead don't laugh at the term "tea bagging" anymore.
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quiet man Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:36:57pm |
re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You are still beating most of the liberal gov run media outlets then
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:37:19pm |
re: #7 Shiplord Kirel
Not enough Paulistinians, Stormfronters, and friends of Bigfoot to discredit the conservative movement?
none of those types in ABQ....zilch
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NukeAtomrod Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:37:27pm |
Protesting taxes isn't as sexy as protesting war.
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SteveC Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:37:29pm |
re: #7 Shiplord Kirel
Not enough Paulistinians, Stormfronters, and friends of Bigfoot to discredit the conservative movement?
I read in one of the medical blogs (!) that I check - the doc was off and had gone to a tea party in Ohio (either Dayton or Toledo). The organizers put forth a Barak Obama impersonator who basically made a fool of himself. The doc felt that if they were trying to attract dissastisfied liberals and moderates, that idea went out the window right then. After that, you could see it as an "Us against Them" thing.
Not good.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:38:03pm |
re: #16 quiet man
Original sin is that sin which is laid on you without you deserving or causing it.
here read Taxation our kids will pay for without benefit
Fair enough. upding.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:38:15pm |
re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I covered our Tea Party. Covered it in the Fat Bastard Gazette (my home's newsletter).
Circulation? 1.
can you put it in a Tom Cruise context so other can relate?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:38:28pm |
re: #21 kansas
Too busy hyping Michael Jackson and slamming Sarah Palin. Besides, Beavis and Butthead don't laugh at the term "tea bagging" anymore.
It is still Michael all the time here in LA. Can't wait until Tuesday is over. Our tax dollars are paying for all the police presence too. AArrrrgh.
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swamprat Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:38:34pm |
TFK went to one. He about choked on all the ronulans.
Kilgore warned him, but noooo.
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DEZes Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:39:03pm |
I stayed home, last time I voted, a commie bastard ended up in the White House.
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zombie Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:39:12pm |
Forget about Tea Parties -- what about the Yoo Parties?
Well, zomblog has the scoop!
John Yoo stalkers update: Cops force protest off his private property
Success!A month ago we posted a thread about vigilante stalkers harassing Professor John Yoo at his private home. That post was widely circulated on the internet and generated a lot of publicity — and apparently also generated calls to the Berkeley Police Department about possible trespassing by the protesters.
Well, zomblog correspondent Chicken Kiev once again passed John Yoo’s house during a bike ride today, and took these new pictures of the Sundays-only weekly protest in front of Yoo’s house in Berkeley:
[pic]
Chicken Kiev writes:
“Saw the Yoo protest again today, and snapped another picture from my bike. Amazingly, the police were now on hand monitoring the situation (you can see the police car and one of the cops on the left edge of the picture), and the protesters had been forced off of Yoo’s property! In contrast to that last time I went by, an official City of Berkeley police barrier had been set up across the front of John Yoo’s private driveway, forcing the protesters to stand out in the street. I think the police were there not only to make sure the protesters did not break the law again by trespassing, but also so they didn’t block the roadway, since that spot on the street is kind of a blind curve and cars and bikes zip along pretty fast, which might lead to an accident if the protesters wandered out into the driving lane. One of the signs, which is only barely visible in this picture (sorry — only had the opportunity to snap one picture as I went by) said ‘Yoo is Going to HELL.’ ”
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:39:22pm |
re: #20 legalpad
Hey - leave the crusts on! It's all good.
Scones with clotted cream and fresh strawberries!
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:39:45pm |
re: #29 swamprat
TFK went to one. He about choked on all the ronulans.
Kilgore warned him, but noooo.
Killgores warnings are meaningless...what are they worth to you?
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zombie Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:40:18pm |
And you heard it here first -- I uploaded the post only a couple minutes ago!
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swamprat Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:40:37pm |
re: #30 DEZes
I stayed home, last time I voted, a commie bastard ended up in the White House.
Those Roosevelt pins are worth some cash bro!
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spudly Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:40:56pm |
The ABQ Journal mentioned thousands at the one here in ABQ. Didn't see it, but we didn't get far into town yesterday.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:41:24pm |
re: #31 zombie
Forget about Tea Parties -- what about the Yoo Parties?
Well, zomblog has the scoop!
John Yoo stalkers update: Cops force protest off his private property
since that spot on the street is kind of a blind curve and cars and bikes zip along pretty fast, which might lead to an accident if the protesters wandered out into the driving lane.
I've heard it's hard to get moonbat off your car.
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SteveC Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:41:37pm |
re: #29 swamprat
TFK went to one. He about choked on all the ronulans.
Kilgore warned him, but noooo.
I don't know about Ronulans, but my brother has a theory - the more Klingons running around, the better that version of Star Trek is.
Next Generation = lots of Klingons = hit show!
Enterprise = very few Klingons = dead in the water.
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swamprat Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:42:05pm |
re: #33 albusteve
Killgores warnings are meaningless...what are they worth to you?
I can redeem one with $1.89 and get unlimited coffee at Denny's!
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:42:11pm |
re: #36 spudly
The ABQ Journal mentioned thousands at the one here in ABQ. Didn't see it, but we didn't get far into town yesterday.
probably over estimated by a bit, but no Paulians or white freak Nazis...none...I was there
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legalpad Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:42:40pm |
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DEZes Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:42:41pm |
re: #35 swamprat
Those Roosevelt pins are worth some cash bro!
What are Obama pins worth in Chinese bonds?
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:43:09pm |
re: #39 swamprat
I can redeem one with $1.89 and get unlimited coffee at Denny's!
go for it...take Killgore with you
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zombie Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:43:24pm |
re: #37 MandyManners
I've heard it's hard to get moonbat off your car.
They're kind of sticky. The windshield wipers don't do any good -- they just kind of smear them around.
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alegrias Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:43:27pm |
I went to 4 Fourth of July events with a GOP candidate for state delegate, where she met & greeted thousands of prospective voters.
We must have blown up & handed out 3,000 balloons.
It was fun to see a stadium full of balloons for a Republican woman in moonbat Northern Virginia.
I smell revolt in the air, and GOP win in November.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:43:34pm |
re: #37 MandyManners
What's the last thing that goes through a moonbats mind when it hits your windshield?
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solomonpanting Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:43:51pm |
re: #31 zombie
One of the signs, which is only barely visible in this picture (sorry — only had the opportunity to snap one picture as I went by) said ‘Yoo is Going to HELL.’ ”
Is that what Berekley is called nowadays?
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Spockista Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:44:11pm |
What if they threw a tea party in DC and a White Supremacist band played?
[Link: ladylibertyslamp.wordpress.com...]
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DEZes Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:44:13pm |
re: #46 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What's the last thing that goes through a moonbats mind when it hits your windshield?
Moonbats have minds?
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SteveC Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:44:15pm |
re: #39 swamprat
I can redeem one with $1.89 and get unlimited coffee at Denny's!
Can't quite swing the Grand Slam Breakfast?
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Idle Drifter Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:44:21pm |
The only thing I attended on the 4th of July was the awesome firework show that kicked off with sky divers with fireworks strapped to their feet and one with flying the American Flag as he sailed through the sky all to "I'm Proud to be American." The crowd went nuts.
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Digital Display Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:44:21pm |
re: #46 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What's the last thing that goes through a moonbats mind when it hits your windshield?
I could have had a V8!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:44:33pm |
Here’s a thread todiscuss the implicationsbeat up on Killgore...
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SteveC Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:44:52pm |
re: #46 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What's the last thing that goes through a moonbats mind when it hits your windshield?
its ass!
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:45:16pm |
re: #45 alegrias
I went to 4 Fourth of July events with a GOP candidate for state delegate, where she met & greeted thousands of prospective voters.
We must have blown up & handed out 3,000 balloons.
It was fun to see a stadium full of balloons for a Republican woman in moonbat Northern Virginia.I smell revolt in the air, and GOP win in November.
yes, something is brewing regardless of what the cello necks think
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zombie Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:45:22pm |
re: #53 Killgore Trout
I tried to change the subject (comment #31), to spare you the beating.
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swamprat Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:46:10pm |
re: #43 albusteve
go for it...take Killgore with you
We've had our go-rounds, mostly about religion.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:46:24pm |
re: #33 albusteve
Killgores warnings are meaningless...what are they worth to you?
a California IOU?
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tradewind Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:46:24pm |
Unsurprising , and explained largely by Michael Jackson's death watch.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:46:27pm |
re: #48 Spockista
What if they threw a tea party in DC and a White Supremacist band played?
[Link: ladylibertyslamp.wordpress.com...]
Da*n, that makes me want to puke.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:46:44pm |
re: #46 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What's the last thing that goes through a moonbats mind when it hits your windshield?
....cheeeesebuuurrrrggggeeeerrrr......
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:46:55pm |
re: #48 Spockista
What if they threw a tea party in DC and a White Supremacist band played?
[Link: ladylibertyslamp.wordpress.com...]
Looks like they had a big crowd watching./ Like none in the picture in the link.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:47:41pm |
re: #40 albusteve
probably over estimated by a bit, but no Paulians or white freak Nazis...none...I was there
Well, I couldn't go anywhere this holiday weekend without tripping over Paulians and Stormfront people. It was terrible. Everywhere I looked, there they were. I knew it was them, because I've been brainwashed to see Paulians and Stormfront people everywhere.
It's really getting scary.
////
P.S. My response time from Comcast to LGF and back is again sucking. 20-30 seconds everytime.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:48:00pm |
re: #48 Spockista
Yet, the most notable and questionable presence was that of controversial patriot/militia rock band Pokerface. Described by the ADL as an “anti-government, anti-immigrant, conspiracy-promoting rock music band, helmed by “virulent anti-semite: Paul Topete”
Pokerface members not only played music for the crowd, but they also managed the sound system, provided the event’s security and assisted event coordinator Lisa Miller with the general organization of the DC event. What makes their presence even more suspicious is that in all promotional website posts or materials for the day’s event there was no mention of Pokerface’s involvement anywhere.
In the past, Pokerface had been a staple of Ron Paul rallies and enjoys a healthy following from the survivalist and white nationalist communities. Lead singer: Paul Topete was a frequent poster on the white nationalist website VNNforum.
Last year, public pressure about Topete’s racism was brought to the attention of Ron Paul’s campaign and Pokerface was dropped from a RP event in Michigan. But, to no avail Poker Face continued to play at several Ron Paul rallies, including in the Washington DC since then.
Poker Face has also performed at a benefit for Willis Carto’s anti-semitic newspaper American Free Press and has endorsed the notorious Barnes Review, both outlets of longtime white supremacist Carto.
Dude, that's not satire. Yikes!
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:48:03pm |
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DEZes Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:48:06pm |
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badger1970 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:48:12pm |
re: #19 albusteve
I wouldn't know since I was working yesterday for what I thought for myself however, in reality, it's for the feds to redistribute my wealth that babe who sold her food stamps for cig money. Witnessed that shit today.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:48:24pm |
re: #46 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What's the last thing that goes through a moonbats mind when it hits your windshield?
Its ass.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:48:48pm |
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dmjboose Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:48:58pm |
I didn't even know there were tea parties on independence day. Either way, I'd rather have people gathering to protest taxation than not. But then again, I'm probably MUCH more anti-taxation than most around here.
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Spockista Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:49:08pm |
re: #63 Pvt Bin Jammin
Da*n, that makes me want to puke.
I was really surprised, the band Pokerface has a horrible rep for racism esp anti-semitism, why would they let them help organize a Tea Party in our nation's capital?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:49:10pm |
re: #66 swamprat
Yeah, they're getting pretty bitter about it.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:49:18pm |
Duval County FL had a tea party on July 2, and the (small) coverage of that doesn't seem to be going very well for the GOP-- it featured some ObamaHitler signs and the like; the real problem is the GOP there featured the signage on their Facebook page
Duval GOP In Controversy Over Obama/Hitler Comparisons At Tea Party
The Republican Party of Duval County is backing away from their promotion of an event that featured numerous controversial comparisons of President Barack Obama with German Dictator Adolf Hitler. The event, a Tea Party held at the Jacksonville Landing on July 2, was organized by the First Coast Tea Party. However, the Duval County Republican Party promoted the event with e-mails that stated “Paid by Republican Party of Duval County.” Duval Republican Party Chairman Lenny Curry also broadcasted live from the event on the party’s weekly radio broadcast hosted by AM 1320.
The event, which was attended by Florida State Representatives Lake Ray, Charles McBurney and Mike Weinstein and Florida State Senator Stephen Wise, drew about 1,000 people to the Jacksonville Landing. Local party officials were on stage, along with numerous members of the Jacksonville business community, including Jay Fant of First Guaranty Bank.
While partisan rhetoric at any rally is expected, controversy has arisen over numerous signs that were prominently displayed at the gathering, including two that featured Barack Obama in Nazi garb. One sign, in fact, had altered Obama’s appearance to resemble Hitler. Other signs compared ACORN, the community organizing group accused of voter registration irregularities, with the SS—the Nazi organization responsible for enacting the Holocaust and the group responsible for most of the crimes against humanity committed by the Third Reich.
Several local GOP activists privately expressed shock that elected officials would be seen at any event that featured comparisons of Obama with Hitler. What surprised some of them the most; however, was the fact that the Duval County Republican Party would feature pictures from the event—complete with Obama/Hitler comparisons—on their Facebook fan page.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:49:32pm |
re: #67 Walter L. Newton
Well, I couldn't go anywhere this holiday weekend without tripping over Paulians and Stormfront people. It was terrible. Everywhere I looked, there they were. I knew it was them, because I've been brainwashed to see Paulians and Stormfront people everywhere.
It's really getting scary.
////P.S. My response time from Comcast to LGF and back is again sucking. 20-30 seconds everytime.
like I've said...political lunatics do not do well in ABQ
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Athens Runaway Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:49:45pm |
re: #38 SteveC
I don't know about Ronulans, but my brother has a theory - the more Klingons running around, the better that version of Star Trek is.
Next Generation = lots of Klingons = hit show!
Enterprise = very few Klingons =
dead in the water.so bad that it was actually written out of canon (as in the franchise disowned it)
FTFY.
DS9=whole FREAKING LOT of Klingons=hit show
Voyager=only 1 Klingon=righfully ignored by most
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:49:48pm |
re: #48 Spockista
What if they threw a tea party in DC and a White Supremacist band played?
[Link: ladylibertyslamp.wordpress.com...]
Why then the event is disgraced. An event that features racists is not an event where you will find Dark_Falcon.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:50:18pm |
I am ready to not be awake anymore.
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:50:32pm |
re: #76 Spockista
I was really surprised, the band Pokerface has a horrible rep for racism esp anti-semitism, why would they let them help organize a Tea Party in our nation's capital?
Did they let them help organize or did they not stop them physically from setting up and playing?
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SteveC Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:50:40pm |
re: #46 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What's the last thing that goes through a moonbats mind when it hits your windshield?
Sometimes you're the windshield
Sometimes you're the bug
Sometimes it all comes together baby
Sometimes you're just a fool in love
Sometimes you're the Louisville Slugger
Sometimes you're the ball
Sometimes it all comes together
Sometimes you're gonna lose it all
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Mich-again Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:50:51pm |
I had the family over for a big outdoor party today. Perfect day to hang out in the shade and have some burgers and beers and have a few yuks with everyone. Tea Party Shmee Party.
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Spockista Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:50:56pm |
re: #68 Killgore Trout
Yet, the most notable and questionable presence was that of controversial patriot/militia rock band Pokerface. Described by the ADL as an “anti-government, anti-immigrant, conspiracy-promoting rock music band, helmed by “virulent anti-semite: Paul Topete”Pokerface members not only played music for the crowd, but they also managed the sound system, provided the event’s security and assisted event coordinator Lisa Miller with the general organization of the DC event. What makes their presence even more suspicious is that in all promotional website posts or materials for the day’s event there was no mention of Pokerface’s involvement anywhere.
In the past, Pokerface had been a staple of Ron Paul rallies and enjoys a healthy following from the survivalist and white nationalist communities. Lead singer: Paul Topete was a frequent poster on the white nationalist website VNNforum.
Last year, public pressure about Topete’s racism was brought to the attention of Ron Paul’s campaign and Pokerface was dropped from a RP event in Michigan. But, to no avail Poker Face continued to play at several Ron Paul rallies, including in the Washington DC since then.
Poker Face has also performed at a benefit for Willis Carto’s anti-semitic newspaper American Free Press and has endorsed the notorious Barnes Review, both outlets of longtime white supremacist Carto.Dude, that's not satire. Yikes!
Nope it's scary real ... with photos and vid to prove it
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:51:13pm |
re: #45 alegrias
I went to 4 Fourth of July events with a GOP candidate for state delegate, where she met & greeted thousands of prospective voters.
We must have blown up & handed out 3,000 balloons.
It was fun to see a stadium full of balloons for a Republican woman in moonbat Northern Virginia.I smell revolt in the air, and GOP win in November.
Alegrias -
FROM YOUR MOUTH TO THE EARS OF HA'SHEM. That is quite enough.
-S-
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:51:34pm |
re: #81 Dark_Falcon
Why then the event is disgraced. An event that features racists is not an event where you will find Dark_Falcon.
Cheers.
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:51:52pm |
re: #78 iceweasel
Duval County FL had a tea party on July 2, and the (small) coverage of that doesn't seem to be going very well for the GOP-- it featured some ObamaHitler signs and the like; the real problem is the GOP there featured the signage on their Facebook page
Duval GOP In Controversy Over Obama/Hitler Comparisons At Tea Party
Hey, BushHitler worked OK .
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alegrias Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:52:01pm |
re: #61 redc1c4
a California IOU?
* * * * * *
California was once the world's 8th greatest economy.
Today California is like Neverland Ranch, a bankrupt freakshow & little house of horrors.
Everyone is shocked, shocked, there was drug use & abuse of all kinds, going on.
(Liberals are pretending to be shocked, and denying having seen all the evidence)
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Spockista Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:52:21pm |
re: #83 kansas
Did they let them help organize or did they not stop them physically from setting up and playing?
Pokerface manned the sound was security and played for the crowd. They were part of the organizers for the event.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:52:21pm |
re: #76 Spockista
I was really surprised, the band Pokerface has a horrible rep for racism esp anti-semitism, why would they let them help organize a Tea Party in our nation's capital?
Kinda blows my mind. Hopefully some of the regular folks caught on to this insanity.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:52:41pm |
The Tea Party movement has failed!
/now just shut up and savor the smell of what TOTIUS is cooking
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:54:07pm |
re: #78 iceweasel
Duval County FL had a tea party on July 2, and the (small) coverage of that doesn't seem to be going very well for the GOP-- it featured some ObamaHitler signs and the like; the real problem is the GOP there featured the signage on their Facebook page
Duval GOP In Controversy Over Obama/Hitler Comparisons At Tea Party
Looks like they got smacked down for the Godwin's Law infraction.
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jaunte Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:54:21pm |
re: #87 Spockista
At the pokerface website, the 'friends of pokerface' includes links to
whatreallyhappened.com
infowars.com
propagandamatrix.com
and....
jagermeister.com
Drink!
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:54:47pm |
OK, I give up. All bow down to the great and powerful Obama. All the organized protestors are racists Nazi bastards, and Sarah Palin is one crazy bitch.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:54:50pm |
the lack of coverage is easy to understand: ignore it and maybe it will go away......
the local busy bodies who want to create a tax district to pay for something they (mostly outsiders) want for our neighborhood tried the same thing with me.
they tried to first marginalize me, then downplayed my efforts, and also claimed i was the only person in opposition to their plan.
last monday their short fused, barely promoted meeting was overrun by dozens of locals, 95% dead set against their plans and very vocal. they couldn't even stay on their agenda, and spent the entire evening on the defensive.
the tea parties are likely to go the same way: our anointed leaders would dearly love all of us serfs to STFU and go back to paying taxes. just because the movement is being used by others with unsavory goals doesn't meant that we should not protest, but rather it means that, more than ever, the average citizen needs to get out there to be heard, and to drown out the stupidities of both our alleged betters, and the moonbats of all colors.
(imho, of course. %-)
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Spockista Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:54:54pm |
re: #95 Pvt Bin Jammin
Kinda blows my mind. Hopefully some of the regular folks caught on to this insanity.
I hope our blog piece will help get the word out.
None of the media even mentioned that Pokerface was even there, despite the large "POKERFACE" banner on the stage.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:55:16pm |
re: #96 Killian Bundy
The Tea Party movement has failed!
/now just shut up and savor the smell of what TOTIUS is cooking
No thanks. I'm going to keep working on ways to foil his measures in the Senate.
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reaperatty Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:55:30pm |
re: #18 SasquatchOnSteroids
You don't remember her name because she was such a lousy journalist.
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mrclark Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:55:35pm |
re: #2 OldLineTexan
I wasn't surprised at the media coverage.
well...if the media didn't cover it, then it didn't happen. That's what they believe anyway. Hey, I'm of the belief that millions of us around the US are getting just a bit 'well done' on the governments' from small to large taxing the bejeejus out of us in the name of 'the public good', 'safety' etc.
Every time you turn around here there's another camera on the corner taking pictures of people forgetting to come to a 'full stop' so they can criminalize you to get an extra $75 bucks in the till. Time has come for this stuff to stop.
What was it Jefferson said? Ahh yes....""The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. ... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion; what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." -- Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:56:40pm |
re: #97 Dark_Falcon
Looks like they got smacked down for the Godwin's Law infraction.
Heh. Yes, and rightly so.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:56:44pm |
re: #87 Spockista
At first I thought it must be some sort of satire until I checked the ADL links. That seriously goes a lot further than I would have expected.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:57:41pm |
re: #98 jaunte
At the pokerface website, the 'friends of pokerface' includes links to
whatreallyhappened.com
infowars.com
propagandamatrix.com
and....
jagermeister.comDrink!
Jew-hating scum.
Alex Jones is being outted more and more.
HEAR THAT, ROGER AILES? REIGN IN JUDGE NAPOLITANO!
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3 wood Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:58:00pm |
Post apologizes:
Post publisher apologizes for paid dinner plan
The Washington Post's publisher apologized to readers Sunday for a plan to charge business leaders and lobbyists for intimate dinner discussions with government officials and the newspaper's journalists.
A flier surfaced last week promoting a plan to charge $25,000 to sponsor one of a series of dinner parties that would include off-the-record conversations with Post journalists and access to Washington insiders. The series was canceled Thursday.
"I want to apologize for a planned new venture that went off track and for any cause we may have given you to doubt our independence and integrity," Publisher Katharine Weymouth said in a letter that appeared in the newspaper's op-ed section Sunday.
Hey Weymouth, this did not cause me to doubt your integrity, it is just one more nail in the coffin of your industry to confirm what we already knew, that you have less integrity than a street whore.
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livetotell Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:58:06pm |
"Regular readers probably know that I’m not the biggest fan of the “tea party” demonstrations, but I was surprised to see so little media coverage of the July 4th events. Here’s a thread to discuss the implications..."
Ummm........maybe the media thinks we are all like you . Not big fans of the demonsrtations. Silly media.
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swamprat Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:58:20pm |
re: #96 Killian Bundy
The Tea Party movement has failed!
/now just shut up and savor the smell of what TOTIUS is cooking
Tea Party movement started before there was enough Obamage to complain about. It was obviously a set-up job from jumpstreet. And it has poisoned the well for any real Civil Protest, not to mention being a revenue enhancer for ronpaul.
It is a lose, lose, lose situation.
We've been had.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:58:38pm |
re: #103 BigPapa
Are you going to argue that this makes it okay for the GOP -- not some protester, but the GOP! -- to have Obama Hitler signs on their Facebook page?
Well, ok then. Maybe you can book Pokerface for all the forthcoming GOP rallies too.
Me, I'd think that was probably a losing strategy, but go for it.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:58:38pm |
re: #101 Spockista
Didn't realize that was your blog. Good going! Maybe some of the lizards can pass around the link too.
I am all in favor of the general idea of a tax revolt but there in no way in h*ll I want to associate with those kinds of groups.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:58:56pm |
You know, all the latest "tea party" craze started with this video.
/I doubt Rick even got near one, but he'll be back tomorrow morning
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:59:22pm |
re: #100 redc1c4
The problem is that the Tea Party organizers gave a platform to people whose very presence corrupts the rally irredeemably. Letting a White Supremacist band perform at a rally can only be a sign of one of two things: The organizers are themselves racist or they don't care much about the harm racist does. Either answer taints them.
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Spockista Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:59:29pm |
re: #107 Killgore Trout
At first I thought it must be some sort of satire until I checked the ADL links. That seriously goes a lot further than I would have expected.
I am very careful to source everything. I was surprised SPLC has not written them up yet. ADL was the only org who has covered them slightly.
If you google Pokerface you can find their mentally ill opines everywhere.
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:00:07pm |
re: #83 kansas
Did they let them help organize or did they not stop them physically from setting up and playing?
From the post, they not only played, they provided the sound, and that requires some coordination. At best, the organizers were just glad for the help, and were clueless about their background.
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Pete(Detroit) Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:00:09pm |
re: #46 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What's the last thing that goes through a moonbats mind when it hits your windshield?
Its congresscritter?
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:00:18pm |
re: #116 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that the Tea Party organizers gave a platform to people whose very presence corrupts the rally irredeemably. Letting a White Supremacist band perform at a rally can only be a sign of one of two things: The organizers are themselves racist or they don't care much about the harm racist does. Either answer taints them.
Does the CBC taint the congress?
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reaperatty Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:00:23pm |
re: #46 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What's the last thing that goes through a moonbats mind when it hits your windshield?
Joe Biden?
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alegrias Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:00:24pm |
Re Tea Party town Washington DC--Your Nation's Capital!
Once again, our crack ex-Mayor and current city council member Marion Barry was partying in Anacostia Park while on probation--for NOT PAYING TAXES nor filing his tax returns, but The WashingtonPost is his friend.
Marion Barry is not a tea-totaller, nay, he is a friend of stronger stuff, but that's ok here in corruption capital where color trumps all and this scumbag is revered.
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zombie Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:00:26pm |
As for the Tea Parties...
In my opinion, public street protests are almost invariably counter-productive (at least in the United States). More often than not, a protest on any side of the spectrum will attract fringies and nuts who will tend to discredit the whole message.
As I have spent the last 6 years proving, the left's neo-anti-war movement was utterly discredited by the (at first) participation and (eventually) leadership of revolutionary communist groups. The same was true in the '60s/'70s, and has been true on other topics as well.
For the first time in quite a while, the Right feel the urge to protest publicly...and just as on the other side of the spectrum, a public protest will draw out all those fringe folks who feel they generally can't express their opinions publicly.
My solution: Keep the opinion-making on the Web, where one can at least control one's own message!
And as for why I don't cover the Tea Parties -- there aren't any in my area! I actually checked this time, and the nearest one was 50 miles away out on the edge of the Bay Area. Not my bailiwick.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:00:32pm |
re: #78 iceweasel
Duval County FL had a tea party on July 2, and the (small) coverage of that doesn't seem to be going very well for the GOP-- it featured some ObamaHitler signs and the like; the real problem is the GOP there featured the signage on their Facebook page
Duval GOP In Controversy Over Obama/Hitler Comparisons At Tea Party
and yet "BusHitler" never caused the slightest ripple in the news....
but there's no bias in the MFM.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:00:34pm |
re: #112 swamprat
It is a lose, lose, lose situation.
We've been had.
Yeah, I don't think there was any way to salvage this situation even with perfect hindsight.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:00:44pm |
re: #92 alegrias
* * * * * *
California was once the world's 8th greatest economy.Today California is like Neverland Ranch, a bankrupt freakshow & little house of horrors.
Everyone is shocked, shocked, there was drug use & abuse of all kinds, going on.
(Liberals are pretending to be shocked, and denying having seen all the evidence)
alegrias -
CA is BROKE, NJ is BROKE, NY is BROKE! and perhaps another 10 - 12 states.
A REAL PRESIDENT - would put all of the above under Federal Recievership along the lines of NYC and "Big Mac" - quoting stuff written by Sec. Treasury HAMILTON, many years ago.
Of course - That would REQUIRE a REAL PRESIDENT.
Comments?
-S-
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swamprat Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:01:25pm |
re: #99 kansas
OK, I give up. All bow down to the great and powerful Obama. All the organized protestors are racists Nazi bastards, and Sarah Palin is one crazy bitch.
We are two moves behind. By staging the tea party protests, any further protests will be tainted by those nuts.
If ronpaul wasn't behind them from the start, he has certainly got a good chokehold.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:01:48pm |
re: #109 3 wood
Hey 3 Wood! Cubs won today, taking 3 of 4 from the Brewers and kicking the Brewers out of first place. Seems like the Cubs aren't done yet this season! They need to focus and produce, but this year could still be Next Year. Go Cubs!
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:01:53pm |
re: #109 3 wood
"I want to apologize for a planned new venture that went off track and for any cause we may have given you
to doubt our independence and integrityto think that this dead dinosaur stinks even worse than it really does."
There, fixed it.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:02:19pm |
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:02:24pm |
re: #124 redc1c4
and yet "BusHitler" never caused the slightest ripple in the news....
but there's no bias in the MFM.
How bout the movie about the Bush being assassinated? That was OK too.
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Mich-again Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:02:30pm |
re: #118 avanti
From the post, they not only played, they provided the sound, and that requires some coordination. At best, the organizers were just glad for the help, and were clueless about their background.
Most bands bring their own sound system and extension cords. They just need to know where the power is.
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Spockista Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:02:42pm |
re: #114 Pvt Bin Jammin
Didn't realize that was your blog. Good going! Maybe some of the lizards can pass around the link too.
I am all in favor of the general idea of a tax revolt but there in no way in h*ll I want to associate with those kinds of groups.
Thank you! I am an Antifa, and I found that lately LGF and us are on the same side against fascism.
Charles was awesome in exposing Ron Paul and his find with the photo with Paul and Don Black is historic.
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KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:02:43pm |
re: #111 livetotell
Ummm........maybe the media thinks we are all like you . Not big fans of the demonsrtations. Silly media.
If the TeaParties dumped the Crazy baggage maybe more would take notice.
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alegrias Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:03:15pm |
re: #109 3 wood
Post apologizes:
Post publisher apologizes for paid dinner planHey Weymouth, this did not cause me to doubt your integrity, it is just one more nail in the coffin of your industry to confirm what we already knew, that you have less integrity than a street whore.
* * * * *
That's so rich, the Washington Post caught red-handed holding hands with Obama, yet claiming to have "integrity and independence."
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:03:33pm |
re: #116 Dark_Falcon
The organizers are themselves racist or they don't care much about the harm racist does. Either answer taints them.
Third, they were so naive that they did not know who they were dealing with, but still taints them.
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:04:27pm |
OT Watching a Science Channel show on how to make things. Looks like if Cap and Trade passes, won't be making too much stuff here in this country. India and China, who have said they won't trash their own economies to go all Al Gore, will do fine.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:04:35pm |
re: #134 Spockista
Thank you! I am an Antifa, and I found that lately LGF and us are on the same side against fascism.
Charles was awesome in exposing Ron Paul and his find with the photo with Paul and Don Black is historic.
You're very welcome.
Yes that photo find was indeed historic.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:04:55pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:05:26pm |
re: #34 zombie
No film at 11? Breaking story at Zombblog!
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Spockista Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:05:28pm |
re: #122 alegrias
Re Tea Party town Washington DC--Your Nation's Capital!
Once again, our crack ex-Mayor and current city council member Marion Barry was partying in Anacostia Park while on probation--for NOT PAYING TAXES nor filing his tax returns, but The WashingtonPost is his friend.
Marion Barry is not a tea-totaller, nay, he is a friend of stronger stuff, but that's ok here in corruption capital where color trumps all and this scumbag is revered.
I would rather smoke crack with Marion Barry then have Nazis in the hood.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:05:50pm |
re: #130 Sharmuta
I got your back, KT.
Killgore likes being beat up...it's his new thing...maybe you have not read some of the irrational posts of his of late, or his links that go nowhere...you have his back?
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Wendya Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:06:09pm |
re: #24 NukeAtomrod
Protesting taxes isn't as sexy as protesting war.
Reporters will line up to cover breasts not bombs but fully dressed people holding signs protesting government spending just don't catch their attention.
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3 wood Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:06:14pm |
Obama to discourage the existence of large financial firms:
Obama Plan Would Trim Back Financial Powerhouses
They are the biggest of the big -- the Citigroups, the Goldman Sachses, the AIGs and other financial behemoths. The Obama administration doesn't want so many around anymore.Under the administration's proposal, companies such as Citi, Goldman Sachs and others in a broad top tier engaged in complex transactions would face stricter scrutiny and have to hold more assets and more cash as cushions against a downturn.
They also would have to anticipate their own demise, drafting detailed descriptions of how they could be dismantled quickly without causing damaging repercussions. Think of it as planning their own funerals — and burials.
I expect another Czar appointment in the near future to handle this one too.
Not exactly embracing Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand" theory of economics, that.
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swamprat Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:06:23pm |
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DeliLama Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:06:27pm |
I think far too many people are worried about trying to be respectable enough for the MSM, desperately avoiding anything close to extremists, trying to avoid anything that could be used against them.
That's now a fool's game. It's why the Republicans never seem to have any fight in them. I say stand up and make noise about the important key issues. Let the media focus on only the idiots. When enough people are making enough noise, that won't work for them anymore.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:06:33pm |
I think the tea parties are seen as isolated events - and not representations of Americans celebrating their patriotism.
Parades, family gatherings and the like are probably what media outlets consider genuine, not large gatherings of disgruntled Americans.
Couple that with the elements that a tea party attracts and you have a lose-lose situation.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:06:46pm |
OK -
Put it this way - the CBC has issues as constituted. Last I saw the Calendar reads 2009 - NOT - 1959.
-S-
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KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:07:05pm |
re: #113 iceweasel
Are you going to argue that this makes it okay for the GOP -- not some protester, but the GOP!
Of course not, that's silly. But then again, what's the point of finding out all the stories of idiocy by the GOP and their minions? I hope there's a movement on the left to cut the crazy like the few and proud on the right. I haven't seen it. You've been to the Zombie rallies and pointed out that the photos from them on Zomblog are not the majority, is it true of the GOP as well?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:07:19pm |
re: #52 HoosierHoops
Hi Hoops!
That was funny.
Did you get to unleash your fireworks today?
Or did it rain?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:07:22pm |
re: #147 swamprat
re: #112 swamprat
I am going outside to look at my garden and cheer myself up. Soon the bamboo will be high enough to block the light from my neighbors' mercury lamp, and the night sky will be mine!
OMG, the way that stuff spreads you'd better watch the night sky while you still can.
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Mich-again Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:07:28pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:07:29pm |
re: #124 redc1c4
and yet "BusHitler" never caused the slightest ripple in the news....
but there's no bias in the MFM.
If it had been featured on an official site of the Democratic Party, it would have.
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:07:43pm |
re: #133 Mich-again
Most bands bring their own sound system and extension cords. They just need to know where the power is.
I know that, but they agreed to use the sound system for the other speakers, it was not like a open mike music gig. They must have volunteered to do the sound for the event.
| 158 |
Wendya Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:08:34pm |
re: #135 BigPapa
If the TeaParties dumped the Crazy baggage maybe more would take notice.
Do you realize how silly that statement is?
Now I know to some people, lower taxes and less government spending and intrusion is "crazy" but there are also a significant number of us who are opposed.
| 159 |
Idle Drifter Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:08:36pm |
re: #126 Dr. Shalit
Isn't the big push of the American Green Energy and Security to move tax revenue from Industrial and Oil/Natural Gas producing states to more "Green" heavy states like California?
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3 wood Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:08:53pm |
re: #128 Dark_Falcon
Hey 3 Wood! Cubs won today, taking 3 of 4 from the Brewers and kicking the Brewers out of first place. Seems like the Cubs aren't done yet this season! They need to focus and produce, but this year could still be Next Year. Go Cubs!
I doubt it but I hope they make it. Soriano finally got dropped down in the order to a more sensible position in the batting order.
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Digital Display Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:09:25pm |
re: #153 Floral Giraffe
Hi Hoops!
That was funny.
Did you get to unleash your fireworks today?
Or did it rain?
Hey you...Pretty good day today! Watched the IRL race..Went to a BBQ and blew some shit up..Getting sleepy now
| 162 |
albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:09:46pm |
| 163 |
redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:10:17pm |
re: #116 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that the Tea Party organizers gave a platform to people whose very presence corrupts the rally irredeemably. Letting a White Supremacist band perform at a rally can only be a sign of one of two things: The organizers are themselves racist or they don't care much about the harm racist does. Either answer taints them.
that one event is *not* all protests. i went to the one in Van Nuys on april 15tyh, and, although there was a smattering of Laup Norians, and some "end the fed" fools, the vast majority of attendees were average citizens pissed off about the whole issue, such as my wife. it was her first ever protest, and it was her idea to go, which goes back to what i was saying in the post you replied to: we need to take over the idea and get the morons out of the picture, not just shut up and stay home, as some here suggest. it's up to each of us to do what we can, not sit around waiting for a champion to do all the w*rk for us.
| 164 |
Sharmuta Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:10:18pm |
re: #94 Spockista
Did you ever upload that video of Spencer?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:10:27pm |
re: #146 3 wood
Obama to discourage the existence of large financial firms:
Obama Plan Would Trim Back Financial Powerhouses
I expect another Czar appointment in the near future to handle this one too.Not exactly embracing Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand" theory of economics, that.
The only hand Obama wants in things is the luminous, visible, hand of The One.
/pukes
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alegrias Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:10:50pm |
re: #126 Dr. Shalit
alegrias -
CA is BROKE, NJ is BROKE, NY is BROKE! and perhaps another 10 - 12 states.
A REAL PRESIDENT - would put all of the above under Federal Recievership along the lines of NYC and "Big Mac" - quoting stuff written by Sec. Treasury HAMILTON, many years ago.
Of course - That would REQUIRE a REAL PRESIDENT.
Comments?-S-
* * *
Obama is a REAL President alright; real WRONG!
It would take a real DIFFERENTLY WIRED president to fix our bankrupt country.
We may have to settle for change at the local, city council, state house, mayoral, representative, senator & governor levels for now.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:11:00pm |
re: #126 Dr. Shalit
THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!
( or not....)
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SteveC Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:11:22pm |
They are the biggest of the big -- the Citigroups, the Goldman Sachses, the AIGs and other financial behemoths. The Obama administration doesn't want so many around anymore.Under the administration's proposal, companies such as Citi, Goldman Sachs and others in a broad top tier engaged in complex transactions would face stricter scrutiny and have to hold more assets and more cash as cushions against a downturn.
They also would have to anticipate their own demise, drafting detailed descriptions of how they could be dismantled quickly without causing damaging repercussions. Think of it as planning their own funerals — and burials.
Wait a minute... up their assets AND plan to blow themselves to smithereens without causing the economy to take a major dump?
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:11:39pm |
re: #162 albusteve
well a pinata is the center of attention no?
KT is more like the nail that sticks out, it attracts the hammer.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:11:48pm |
re: #125 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I don't think there was any way to salvage this situation even with perfect hindsight.
especially with that attitude....
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:12:02pm |
re: #163 redc1c4
yes, exactly...too many people bitch and moan after the fact
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KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:12:26pm |
re: #158 Wendya
Do you realize how silly that statement is?
Now I know to some people, lower taxes and less government spending and intrusion is "crazy" but there are also a significant number of us who are opposed.
That's a fallacy Wendya. I'm clearly not talking about less taxation and government spending and you know it. You know who and what I'm talking about. My point is if that's all they were about and didn't have the Kooky Uncle Kontingent and fringe groups associations, I'd be a fan too.
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Mich-again Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:12:55pm |
re: #157 avanti
Yep. If they provided the sound for the speakers at the event it must have been planned that way. They knew they needed a sound system for the event. And if the organizers did cut a deal with that band they can't plead ignorance now and no harm done. Its like getting a tattoo.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:12:57pm |
re: #170 avanti
KT is more like the nail that sticks out, it attracts the hammer.
he envy's you...ain't that somethin?
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:13:18pm |
re: #152 BigPapa
You've been to the Zombie rallies and pointed out that the photos from them on Zomblog are not the majority, is it true of the GOP as well?
I don't think lunatics are representative of either party. I don't think racists are representative of the tea parties or the GOP.
Which is why it's a pretty damn bad idea to be having white supremacist bands help organise teaparties, and for the GOP to feature lunatics claiming Obama is Hitler on their facebook page.
I don't get the psychology here. Will the world end if you admit this?
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:13:45pm |
re: #149 eclectic infidel
I think the tea parties are seen as isolated events - and not representations of Americans celebrating their patriotism.
Parades, family gatherings and the like are probably what media outlets consider genuine, not large gatherings of disgruntled Americans.
Couple that with the elements that a tea party attracts and you have a lose-lose situation.
If an event is a conservative event, and the MSM does not consider that event as "genuine," they you know that the event has meaning.
You contradict yourself all through your one comment. You call the events "isolated" and then call the events "large gatherings."
"Isolated?" What, isolated in over 30 cities and gatherings? Doesn't sound so isolated to me. The MSM all over the country presenting negative coverage, that's "isolated."
Really?
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Spockista Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:13:54pm |
re: #164 Sharmuta
Did you ever upload that video of Spencer?
No it's like an hour long!
I can send it to a PO box if you want it or I can find a way to upload one hour's worth of footage?
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:14:26pm |
re: #150 Dr. Shalit
Reply to Self -
Anyone in 2009 who has a problem with somebody about their "HUE" alone is at BEST wasting time. Last I Knew, one can pick their basic attitude and response - NOT their parents. Comments?
-S-
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:16:23pm |
re: #156 iceweasel
If it had been featured on an official site of the Democratic Party, it would have.
your faith is touching...... my bet is on the story getting the spike.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:16:29pm |
re: #163 redc1c4
that one event is *not* all protests. i went to the one in Van Nuys on april 15tyh, and, although there was a smattering of Laup Norians, and some "end the fed" fools, the vast majority of attendees were average citizens pissed off about the whole issue, such as my wife. it was her first ever protest, and it was her idea to go, which goes back to what i was saying in the post you replied to: we need to take over the idea and get the morons out of the picture, not just shut up and stay home, as some here suggest. it's up to each of us to do what we can, not sit around waiting for a champion to do all the w*rk for us.
Quite concur. That means finding non-Paulian organizers.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:16:35pm |
re: #165 Dark_Falcon
The only hand Obama wants in things is the luminous, visible, hand of The One.
/pukes
Dark_Falcon -
Given he Choice I would "trim back" President Obama. AND, that is Just Me.
-S-
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:16:49pm |
re: #179 Dr. Shalit
Reply to Self -
Anyone in 2009 who has a problem with somebody about their "HUE" alone is at BEST wasting time. Last I Knew, one can pick their basic attitude and response - NOT their parents. Comments?
-S-
What are you talking about? Care to share?
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:19:32pm |
re: #183 kansas
KS.,
Sure - Color Based Racism is a Bloody Waste of Time - Can I make THAT any clearer?
Attitude is another question, to be worked on.
-S-
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KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:19:48pm |
re: #176 iceweasel
Which is why it's a pretty damn bad idea to be having white supremacist bands help organise teaparties...
Tell that to Wendya.
I don't get the psychology here. Will the world end if you admit this?
Admit what? It's a bad idea to compare Obama to Hitler? Sure it is.
However, will you admit that the Democratic party as a whole needs to come to terms in putting their Crazies in check as much as us here are?
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Mich-again Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:19:59pm |
The Tea Parties will make the nightly news as soon as the networks find out that a white wing band provided the entertainment at one of them. They might even use that phrase.
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3 wood Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:20:23pm |
Speaking of Biden:
Biden: 'We Misread How Bad the Economy Was'
Biden, in an interview that aired on ABC's "This Week," said the 9.5 percent unemployment rate is "much too high." The administration had predicted unemployment would stay below 8 percent with its stimulus plan."The figures we worked off of in January were the consensus figures and most of the blue chip indexes out there," Biden said. "We misread how bad the economy was, but we are now only about 120 days into the recovery package."
Joe, you really are a liar and a schmuck.
First, it was the Messiah who was out there saying that this was the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, so how can you now say with a straight face that you misread it.
Second, you never assess the condition of the future economy by looking in the rear view mirror. You look a the numbers to measure past damage yes, but you also do a whole lot of projecting and trending. It's called "econometrics" and if you knew half as much as you pretend to you would know that.
Then Joe does the obligatory "bame Bush" but also contradicts himself:
He cited the economic conditions inherited from the Bush administration. "It's now our responsibility. So the second question becomes ... is it the right package given the circumstances we're in? And we believe it is the right package given the circumstances we're in."
Uh, Joe? If it's the "right package" as you say, then you are happy with the 9.5% and growing unemployment, and you did not misread anything.
I love it when Joe gets in front of a microphone.
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itellu3times Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:20:24pm |
re: #146 3 wood
Obama to discourage the existence of large financial firms:
Gonna be a good trick, that. They just move offshore.
What Obama needs to do is get the government backing away from the greedheads. Good trick that, too.
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hazzyday Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:21:06pm |
re: #184 Dr. Shalit
That's true. But it sounds like you have a personal story to tell but left it off.
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:21:10pm |
re: #184 Dr. Shalit
KS.,
Sure - Color Based Racism is a Bloody Waste of Time - Can I make THAT any clearer?
Attitude is another question, to be worked on.-S-
So we agree. Groups that separate by color are racist.
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The Other Les Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:21:47pm |
re: #2 OldLineTexan
I wasn't surprised at the media coverage.
Imagine how the Second World War would have been covered if the majority of American newspapers and radio stations were controlled by those sympathetic to National Socialism and Japanese Imperialism.
That's pretty much the situation here. If the only way the media is going to report the truth is to put a gun to their heads then we may as well ignore them altogether.
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:22:04pm |
re: #174 Mich-again
Yep. If they provided the sound for the speakers at the event it must have been planned that way. They knew they needed a sound system for the event. And if the organizers did cut a deal with that band they can't plead ignorance now and no harm done. Its like getting a tattoo.
The sad part, as has been pointed out, is that many real patriots show up with the best motivations and their cause is trashed by the nut jobs. The tea parties was a grass roots effort, but they needed some smart guidance from somewhere.
The Obama meet and greets are planned with lots of guidance from above, but it's not grass roots effort. If they were, the lefts meetings would be over run with the pacifists, Bush bashers, and far left loons.
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Wendya Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:22:28pm |
re: #173 BigPapa
That's a fallacy Wendya. I'm clearly not talking about less taxation and government spending and you know it. You know who and what I'm talking about. My point is if that's all they were about and didn't have the Kooky Uncle Kontingent and fringe groups associations, I'd be a fan too.
How many tax protests have you attended?
You, like others, seem to have fallen into the leftist trap of assuming one kook in the background holding a sign means every single reasonable protester must prostrate themselves and apologize to the world for not beating them senseless and driving them off the public square. I can't prevent code pink from showing up at our protests, nor would I. The majority of the people are not "kooks" and if you wish to judge everyone by the fringe, that's your loss.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:22:56pm |
re: #175 albusteve
Dude, you're getting into creepy stalker territory. Seriously, it's getting old.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:22:56pm |
re: #143 albusteve
Killgore likes being beat up...it's his new thing...maybe you have not read some of the irrational posts of his of late, or his links that go nowhere...you have his back?
Worry about your own comments. And yes, I do have his back.
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ShanghaiEd Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:23:07pm |
Got a question related to Tea Parties, sort of:
I've seen a few pundits online this weekend speculating that Sarah Palin's new mission, when she's untied from the governorship, will be to reinvigorate the GOP by driving off...moderates and RINOs.
When I look at the divisions within the party, I wonder whether she would do this by (a) embracing the more extreme activists/Paulians and trying to bring them into the fold, or (b) embracing whatever wedge of the pie chart is sick of both the moderates and the "crazies," or (c) Other?
Is that (b) wedge capable of bringing some people back into the GOP tent, or is she further splintering things up? I don't see the upside of chasing off moderates unless there's a bigger picture I'm missing. Can anybody help me puzzle this out? Or are these pundits smoking something I need to smoke in order to understand them?
And while we're on the subject, how appealing are Palin's positions to average Tea Partiers, anyway? I haven't seen her name mentioned by any attendees this time around.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:24:05pm |
re: #187 3 wood
nice...I'm waiting for our liberal friends here to shed their PDS and address some of these issues...but they seem too busy making their rep trashing Palin and tea parties...oh well
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Mich-again Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:24:18pm |
re: #187 3 wood
Biden: 'We Misread How Bad the Economy Was'
Then he should visit the Waffle House more often and ask people who know about these things.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:24:46pm |
re: #187 3 wood
Speaking of Biden:
Biden: 'We Misread How Bad the Economy Was'
Uh, Joe? If it's the "right package" as you say, then you are happy with the 9.5% and growing unemployment, and you did not misread anything.
I love it when Joe gets in front of a microphone.
The Joe Biden Gaffe-O-Matic.
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The Other Les Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:24:57pm |
re: #38 SteveC
I don't know about Ronulans, but my brother has a theory - the more Klingons running around, the better that version of Star Trek is.
Next Generation = lots of Klingons = hit show!
Enterprise = very few Klingons = dead in the water.
Heavy Metal is a reasonable substitute for Klingon Opera.
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Mich-again Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:25:08pm |
re: #192 avanti
The tea parties was a grass roots effort, but they needed some smart guidance from somewhere.
Paging Sarah Palin...
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SteveC Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:25:30pm |
re: #198 Mich-again
Then he should visit the Waffle House more often and ask people who know about these things.
No way! You don't intentionally stroll by the boss' office, he'll hand you some work!
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The Other Les Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:25:38pm |
re: #42 DEZes
What are Obama pins worth in Chinese bonds?
Its the whips and chains that I'm worried about.
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:25:52pm |
Biden: 'We Misread How Bad the Economy Was, so we decided to make it worse."
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KipAllen Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:26:00pm |
Why is anyone surprised that there was so little coverage? the MSM hopes the movement goes away.
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The Other Les Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:26:18pm |
re: #44 zombie
They're kind of sticky. The windshield wipers don't do any good -- they just kind of smear them around.
I need to replace a windshield wiper.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:26:30pm |
re: #198 Mich-again
Then he should visit the Waffle House more often and ask people who know about these things.
I don't need some idiot asking me questions while I'm eating my waffles.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:26:37pm |
re: #198 Mich-again
Then he should visit the Waffle House more often and ask people who know about these things.
All those people left on January 19th. There won't be any more of them there until 2013 at the earliest.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:27:32pm |
re: #192 avanti
The sad part, as has been pointed out, is that many real patriots show up with the best motivations and their cause is trashed by the nut jobs. The tea parties was a grass roots effort, but they needed some smart guidance from somewhere.
The Obama meet and greets are planned with lots of guidance from above, but it's not grass roots effort. If they were, the lefts meetings would be over run with the pacifists, Bush bashers, and far left loons.
who cares what you think?...you do not believe in tax cuts or what many of us consider responsible fiscal policy...you talk all you want about the failure of the tea parties...none of your windy bullshit elevates your own credibility
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:27:36pm |
Whenever I see Joe Biden use "we" to talk about the environment, I do have to wonder how much Obama considers him a part of the functioning White House.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:28:01pm |
re: #192 avanti
The sad part, as has been pointed out, is that many real patriots show up with the best motivations and their cause is trashed by the nut jobs. The tea parties was a grass roots effort, but they needed some smart guidance from somewhere.
The Obama meet and greets are planned with lots of guidance from above, but it's not grass roots effort. If they were, the lefts meetings would be over run with the pacifists, Bush bashers, and far left loons.
Yep, didn't see any of them kooks at any Democratic campaign stops before the election. You must be kidding to make a statement like that.
And guess what, the real patriots have a message, and just because there are some nuts running around, it doesn't change their message.
And that's really big of you, implying that they are STUPID, and suggesting that they need some SMART guidance. How many times in one paragraph are you going to trash mouth real patriots?
Quit while you are ahead.
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JacksonTn Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:28:05pm |
When you are stuck in bed for almost a week you run out of things to do ... I found Netflix InstantPlay a couple of days ago and now I have watched almost 10 movies and a few documentaries ... I am now hooked but hope to get out tomorrow ... I never did Netflix before because I don't like to order dvds ... but this instant thing is great! ...
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jaunte Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:28:46pm |
Biden: 'We Misread How Bad the Economy Was, but we'll be happy to have you pay us to figure out a solution."
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:29:37pm |
here's a randomly delivered slice of average democrat thinking from my liberal friends Facebook page today, as a reply to something he posted:
If it really is JUSTICE for all, why are not Bush & Cheney locked up already? WE THE PEOPLE need to call it as we see it and the entire Bush & Cheney scene was that of outlaws getting away with whatever they wanted! UN-AMERICAN!
Bust Bush & Cheney!
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:29:59pm |
re: #180 redc1c4
your faith is touching...... my bet is on the story getting the spike.
I thought Obama actually had to pull a couple of things from his member blog pages, did he not? I can't remember what they were, but something happened.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:30:15pm |
re: #185 BigPapa
Admit what? It's a bad idea to compare Obama to Hitler? Sure it is.
However, will you admit that the Democratic party as a whole needs to come to terms in putting their Crazies in check as much as us here are?
They did. That's why they started winning elections.
I see the same syndrome on the right now that prevailed on the left after 2000. A party that was bitter, divisive, consumed with anger, too busy whining to get its shit together and figure out where it had gone wrong, rather than crying about a "stolen election".
That's what the GOP is doing now-- doubling down on the crazy wing of the party. Pandering to the Glenn Beck people, the nirthers, etc.
Like I said, they can keep doing it. But it's a losing strategy.
As is your strategy of needing to play "but the Dems (or, a Dem) did THIS!" every time someone makes a criticism of the GOP now. It's not only you, I see it everywhere. It happened on the left too, pretty much from 2000 - 2005.
No party can win an election until it stops licking its wounds and offers the voters something other than "we hate the other guy".
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:30:21pm |
re: #205 kansas
Biden: 'We Misread How Bad the Economy Was, so we decided to make it worse."
They decided it really did need to be the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:30:31pm |
re: #214 Dark_Falcon
[eyeroll] Cool it, steve.
not likely...I could give a shit what my karma number is
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:31:02pm |
re: #213 JacksonTn
When you are stuck in bed for almost a week you run out of things to do ... I found Netflix InstantPlay a couple of days ago and now I have watched almost 10 movies and a few documentaries ... I am now hooked but hope to get out tomorrow ... I never did Netflix before because I don't like to order dvds ... but this instant thing is great! ...
You've been sick?
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Mich-again Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:31:03pm |
re: #216 redc1c4
here's a randomly delivered slice of average democrat thinking from my liberal friends Facebook page today,
You know you can turn off the random deliveries of crapola from the annoying people.
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JacksonTn Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:31:08pm |
re: #212 Walter L. Newton
Yep, didn't see any of them kooks at any Democratic campaign stops before the election. You must be kidding to make a statement like that.
And guess what, the real patriots have a message, and just because there are some nuts running around, it doesn't change their message.
And that's really big of you, implying that they are STUPID, and suggesting that they need some SMART guidance. How many times in one paragraph are you going to trash mouth real patriots?
Quit while you are ahead.
WLN ... I saw some pretty scary people at some of the democrats gatherings during the primaries ... union members just ready to scream in your face if you said anything about their boy Obama ... real nice guys ...
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:31:20pm |
re: #204 Iron Fist
A free PA for the rally would be a huge plus. For the most part grassroots organizations don't have the resources to research and vet all the volunteers that they get.
The links KT provided to the racists outlined just such a plan. Start with the economy, then move to mortgage failures, then minority loans, and sneak up on the crowd. I'm sure they offered their help without spelling out their mission and will brag about their infiltration.
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lone_wolf_in_illinois Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:31:21pm |
One thing that I did notice about the tea party that Mrs. Wolf and I attended on the 4th was that there were definitely a lot of Luap Nor attendees there. It wasn't immediately evident, but by trolling the follow-up posts on the local websites from those attendees, it was easily discernible to see that a good majority of them were.
They are getting better at hiding their kookiness! I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. When I do catch one out in the open, I love to remind them that Luap Nor is affiliated with Racists and then ask them how they feel to be affiliated with racists by association. That usually shuts them up.
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The Other Les Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:31:36pm |
re: #68 Killgore Trout
Dude, that's not satire. Yikes!
Once in a while I listen in to Mark Koernke's internet broadcast. He plays stuff from Pokerface and promotes their CD's. Koernke is way funnier than Al Franken but he's also a Truther, a Nirther, and he constantly whines about the "Kosher Mafia."
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Idle Drifter Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:31:50pm |
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3 wood Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:31:53pm |
China protects their investment in the US:
China Reassures on Dollar Debate Before G8
France and Russia urged a debate about the world's reserve currencies, but China said the dollar would keep its pre-eminence for "many years to come."
Several emerging market countries have said they want to reconsider the dollar's role and see a more diversified international monetary system.
"The dollar system or the system based on the dollar and euro have shown that they are flawed. But I am a realist and I understand that today there is no alternative to the dollar or the European currency," Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said in an interview with Italian media.
I expect to see the dollar appreciate relative to the pound and the euro over the next several days and for the price of oil to drop slightly as a result of this.
Basically, the Chinese are tired of seeing their investment in US treasuries lose value with the dropping dollar.
Long term though, there will need to be some true economic growth for this to mean anything.
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KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:32:07pm |
re: #193 Wendya
How many tax protests have you attended?
You, like others, seem to have fallen into the leftist trap of assuming one kook in the background holding a sign means every single reasonable protester must prostrate themselves and apologize to the world for not beating them senseless and driving them off the public square. I can't prevent code pink from showing up at our protests, nor would I. The majority of the people are not "kooks" and if you wish to judge everyone by the fringe, that's your loss.
There was on here in Hawaii the other day at the side of the road, about 70 people. I stopped and looked around and stuck my nose in. No anti semite bands or known kooks.
However, you're in denial if you think I'm trying to judge everybody by the fringe as the only validation. What's acceptable? 3% racists, 10%? 4% Luap Norians? Please clarify because I can accept one Luapnian and 1 troofer per 100 at a rally, maybe two nirthers, but above that I get the jeebies. But go ahead and scold me for being absolutist about it.
In the mean time, while you're picking on somebody for not joining your movement who otherwise would be all for it (except for the Crazy you want me to just move along and not pay any attention to), the detractors have a significant target to with which to vilify the movement, as a whole. You can use your Code Pink analogy then.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:32:07pm |
re: #213 JacksonTn
When you are stuck in bed for almost a week you run out of things to do ... I found Netflix InstantPlay a couple of days ago and now I have watched almost 10 movies and a few documentaries ... I am now hooked but hope to get out tomorrow ... I never did Netflix before because I don't like to order dvds ... but this instant thing is great! ...
get well!...I insist!....please?
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:32:10pm |
re: #192 avanti
The sad part, as has been pointed out, is that many real patriots show up with the best motivations and their cause is trashed by the nut jobs. The tea parties was a grass roots effort, but they needed some smart guidance from somewhere.
The Obama meet and greets are planned with lots of guidance from above, but it's not grass roots effort. If they were, the lefts meetings would be over run with the pacifists, Bush bashers, and far left loons.
horse shit..... every lib rally here in CA is fulll of nut j*bs, they just don't make the MFM coverage......
i just can't understand why not.
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Wendya Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:32:20pm |
re: #176 iceweasel
Which is why it's a pretty damn bad idea to be having white supremacist bands help organise teaparties, and for the GOP to feature lunatics claiming Obama is Hitler on their facebook page.
How many tax protests were organized by white supremacists? Can you give us a list of cities?
I know this may be somewhat incomprehensible to you but we don't have national movements funded by people like Soros that organize every protests. We don't have the equivalent of code pink. We don't get talking points emailed to our inboxes every day telling us what our response should be to every issue. Each protest is organized by the city or community. They are all different. They are not a product of the republican party. I know that's got to be a bit puzzling to someone who subscribes to an ideology that is tightly controlled from the President down but hey, we're not that much into groupthink and marching orders.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:32:22pm |
re: #223 JacksonTn
WLN ... I saw some pretty scary people at some of the democrats gatherings during the primaries ... union members just ready to scream in your face if you said anything about their boy Obama ... real nice guys ...
Of course you did, and that's what I was saying.
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:32:44pm |
re: #218 iceweasel
They did. That's why they started winning elections.
I see the same syndrome on the right now that prevailed on the left after 2000. A party that was bitter, divisive, consumed with anger, too busy whining to get its shit together and figure out where it had gone wrong, rather than crying about a "stolen election".
That's what the GOP is doing now-- doubling down on the crazy wing of the party. Pandering to the Glenn Beck people, the nirthers, etc.
Like I said, they can keep doing it. But it's a losing strategy.
As is your strategy of needing to play "but the Dems (or, a Dem) did THIS!" every time someone makes a criticism of the GOP now. It's not only you, I see it everywhere. It happened on the left too, pretty much from 2000 - 2005.
No party can win an election until it stops licking its wounds and offers the voters something other than "we hate the other guy".
They didn't put their crazies in check, they put them to work for them. Apparently the way to win elections is to smear, slander, and in general go batshit crazy against your opponent.
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Mich-again Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:33:02pm |
re: #218 iceweasel
They did. That's why they started winning elections.
Well that and how they railroaded Hillary's campaign.
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:33:32pm |
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:33:44pm |
re: #217 capitalist piglet
I thought Obama actually had to pull a couple of things from his member blog pages, did he not? I can't remember what they were, but something happened.
i don't remember ever seeing that in the news, so i doubt it happened.....
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JacksonTn Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:33:47pm |
re: #221 reine.de.tout
Reine .. hey! ... I went into a warehouse last weekend looking at equipment to buy and it had mold everywhere ... I should have walked out right when I first smelled it but did not ... I have been on antibiotics, inhalers and a bunch of stuff all week ... it was bad ... but I think I am okay now ... almost ..
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:34:53pm |
re: #237 redc1c4
i don't remember ever seeing that in the news, so i doubt it happened.....
barackobama.com was pulling stuff all the time, but if you didn't see in the MSM it must not have happened./
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:35:10pm |
re: #222 Mich-again
You know you can turn off the random deliveries of crapola from the annoying people.
i love them for the entertainment value.....
kinda like some of the posters here. %-)
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:35:22pm |
re: #234 kansas
They didn't put their crazies in check, they put them to work for them. Apparently the way to win elections is to smear, slander, and in general go batshit crazy against your opponent.
Well, if you honestly believe that, I guess you'll be telling the GOP to employ those tactics.
Pokerface can open your Inaugural Ball.
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Wendya Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:36:01pm |
re: #192 avanti
The Obama meet and greets are planned with lots of guidance from above, but it's not grass roots effort. If they were, the lefts meetings would be over run with the pacifists, Bush bashers, and far left loons.
I attended two Obama meet-ups. Both were nothing but Bush bashers and loons.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:36:02pm |
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:36:11pm |
re: #239 Iron Fist
Hell, man, the craziest of the crazy Democrats has a seat in the Senate. I'm speaking, of course, about Senator Dick Durbin, D-al Qaeda. I haven't seen the Democrats distancing themselves from him at all, let alone making an effort to oust him in the primary the way they went after Joe Lieberman.
I thought you were talking about the winter Senator himself John Forbes Kerry, Shithead-MA.
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JacksonTn Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:36:29pm |
re: #234 kansas
They didn't put their crazies in check, they put them to work for them. Apparently the way to win elections is to smear, slander, and in general go batshit crazy against your opponent.
kansas .. exactly ... do you think Obama said anything about DKos? ... any of the crap they spewed during the primaries and general? ... Hell No ... they were a vehicle for him in a big way ...
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:36:37pm |
re: #238 JacksonTn
Reine .. hey! ... I went into a warehouse last weekend looking at equipment to buy and it had mold everywhere ... I should have walked out right when I first smelled it but did not ... I have been on antibiotics, inhalers and a bunch of stuff all week ... it was bad ... but I think I am okay now ... almost ..
{jax'n}
I've been on a similar regimen going on 2 weeks now.
You'll be OK, but it is miserable.
Hope you're much better really soon!
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:36:42pm |
re: #243 iceweasel
Well, if you honestly believe that, I guess you'll be telling the GOP to employ those tactics.
Pokerface can open your Inaugural Ball.
/are you sure you don't want to admit you voted for Obama?
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Idle Drifter Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:36:53pm |
Hello, Me, meet the real Me.
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subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:36:58pm |
Evening everyone!
It's a sad situation, I fear. The idea of the tea party was a terrific one - as it was well in keeping with the first amendment. The tragedy is that a large group of Americans found an outlet for frustration over taxation, spending, and an ever-growing intrusion of government in their lives, only to find it hijacked by groups with their own agendas.
The truly sad part is the naivete - the hope that this kind of time-honored expression would be just that, not infiltrated, tainted, and ultimately discolored by fringe organizations and groups who had little or no luck attracting support on their own.
And so it goes. The Paulians, white supremacy groups, and other bottom-feeders couldn't wait to infest, infect, and corrupt well-meaning folks.
A pox on all their houses.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:37:08pm |
re: #239 Iron Fist
What's this about Durbin and al Qaeda?
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:37:48pm |
re: #247 JacksonTn
kansas .. exactly ... do you think Obama said anything about DKos? ... any of the crap they spewed during the primaries and general? ... Hell No ... they were a vehicle for him in a big way ...
Remember the shit that was on FCBBHO's very own site?
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:38:30pm |
re: #224 avanti
The links KT provided to the racists outlined just such a plan. Start with the economy, then move to mortgage failures, then minority loans, and sneak up on the crowd. I'm sure they offered their help without spelling out their mission and will brag about their infiltration.
Gee, sounds like the Obama administrations plan for bring soft European socialsim to the US.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:38:35pm |
re: #245 albusteve
keep goin!...there is stuff to make happen yet
/yeah, but there's a difference between bad karma and the stick
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:38:43pm |
re: #249 Killian Bundy
/are you sure you don't want to admit you voted for Obama?
Since when do Americans have to report who they voted for? I didn't realise you needed to see my papers, Colonel Klink.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:38:51pm |
re: #244 Wendya
I attended two Obama meet-ups. Both were nothing but Bush bashers and loons.
his base.....
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:38:54pm |
re: #243 iceweasel
Well, if you honestly believe that, I guess you'll be telling the GOP to employ those tactics.
Pokerface can open your Inaugural Ball.
I was thinking more along the lines of Begala, Carville, Kos, Huff Po, Matthews, Olberdouche, etc. Course I wouldn't tell the GOP anything, because after McCain threw the election I will vote and comment where I can, and the GOP can kiss my ass. A third party might get my small donation. GOP gets nothing from me.
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Wendya Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:39:25pm |
re: #251 subsailor68
The tragedy is that a large group of Americans found an outlet for frustration over taxation, spending, and an ever-growing intrusion of government in their lives, only to find it hijacked by groups with their own agendas.
Which explains why 90% of the protesters were fringe nuts and only 10% were normal concerned citizens? /
Oh wait... that's not the way it went. I had teaparties confused with anti-war rallies.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:39:34pm |
re: #249 Killian Bundy
/are you sure you don't want to admit you voted for Obama?
seems like most intelligent people would be embarrassed but admit their mistake....nuance it, Collin Powell style you know?
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:39:42pm |
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JacksonTn Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:40:17pm |
re: #253 MandyManners
Remember the shit that was on FCBBHO's very own site?
MM ... Hell Friggin Yes ... and that is why when people come on here now and say all that crap was made up ... well, they should have been on this blog then ... crap every single day they were scrubbing the website but ONLY after it was pointed out by this blog or some other blog ... they did not take that stuff down because they embraced it ...
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Wendya Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:40:30pm |
re: #257 redc1c4
his base.....
The people who actually hit the streets and organized for him were the rabid fringe of the party.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:40:52pm |
re: #255 Killian Bundy
/yeah, but there's a difference between bad karma and the stick
I'm speaking to her personally...JT deserves all the good vibe she can get
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:40:52pm |
re: #261 SasquatchOnSteroids
Waht Shit ?
/MFM
More like was not, prove otherwise. Fuck Axelrod and the rest.
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jaunte Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:41:05pm |
re: #252 MandyManners
What's this about Durbin and al Qaeda?
June 22, 2005
WASHINGTON — Sen. Dick Durbin went to the Senate floor late Tuesday to offer his apologies to anyone who may have been offended by his comparison of treatment of detainees at the U.S. military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to Nazis, Soviet gulags and Cambodia's Pol Pot.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:41:15pm |
re: #247 JacksonTn
kansas .. exactly ... do you think Obama said anything about DKos? ... any of the crap they spewed during the primaries and general? ... Hell No ... they were a vehicle for him in a big way ...
Yeah, that and when Palin's children were slimed, Obama came out and said families were off limits, while his minions did the dirty work.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:41:28pm |
re: #256 iceweasel
Since when do Americans have to report who they voted for? I didn't realise you needed to see my papers, Colonel Klink.
Well, I voted for McCain/Palin.
/aren't you proud of your vote or are you just trying to keep pretending your not a TOTUS lover and play both sides against the middle?
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:41:45pm |
re: #260 albusteve
seems like most intelligent people would be embarrassed but admit their mistake....nuance it, Collin Powell style you know?
i voted FOR Palin...... otherwise i would have left the presidential box empty.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:41:53pm |
re: #243 iceweasel
That wasn't nice. iceweasel. Just because he said the Dems used those tactics to win (which I also think they did) does not mean he intends to use the or advocates their use. She who jumps to conclusions may not like where she lands.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:42:04pm |
re: #263 Wendya
The people who actually hit the streets and organized for him were the rabid fringe of the party.
pretty much my point.
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3 wood Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:42:13pm |
re: #234 kansas
They didn't put their crazies in check, they put them to work for them. Apparently the way to win elections is to smear, slander, and in general go batshit crazy against your opponent.
Plus the MSM dropped any pretense of impartiality and openly became activists for the Democratic Party. That is beyond debate.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:42:51pm |
re: #268 Killian Bundy
Well, I voted for McCain/Palin.
/aren't you proud of your vote or are you just trying to keep pretending your not a TOTUS lover and play both sides against the middle?
re: #269 redc1c4
i voted FOR Palin...... otherwise i would have left the presidential box empty.
Quite concur.
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KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:42:52pm |
re: #218 iceweasel
They did. That's why they started winning elections.
Obama's team compared McCain to Bush incessantly, and had a dose of Hopenosis as the kicker. McSame? And all the speeches about 'They may say this..." "Some will say this..." and various other straw mannage. They really didn't stick to that kind of idealism.
No party can win an election until it stops licking its wounds and offers the voters something other than "we hate the other guy".
I agree. However, are you trying to help the GOP by posting these stories here? Maybe it's a worthy cause, but I think racist bands at Tea Party rallies are much more damaging to the GOP than a local GOP website with some schlocky Obama picture as Hitler.
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Wendya Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:42:59pm |
re: #229 BigPapa
In the mean time, while you're picking on somebody for not joining your movement who otherwise would be all for it (except for the Crazy you want me to just move along and not pay any attention to), the detractors have a significant target to with which to vilify the movement, as a whole. You can use your Code Pink analogy then.
Why do you carry water for the left with this idea that a dozen ron paul nuts detract from the other 400 citizens? Do you see what you are doing?
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:43:06pm |
For the Obama apologists.
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jaunte Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:43:10pm |
re: #266 jaunte
Forgot the emphasis:
WASHINGTON — Sen. Dick Durbin went to the Senate floor late Tuesday to offer his apologies to anyone who may have been offended by his comparison of treatment of detainees at the U.S. military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to Nazis, Soviet gulags and Cambodia's Pol Pot.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:43:12pm |
re: #270 Dark_Falcon
That wasn't nice. iceweasel. Just because he said the Dems used those tactics to win (which I also think they did) does not mean he intends to use the or advocates their use. She who jumps to conclusions may not like where she lands.
That's true. I should have highlighted the part about 'putting crazy people in charge" instead (which is what I meant) and responded more politely.
Apologies, kansas.
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subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:43:25pm |
re: #259 Wendya
Which explains why 90% of the protesters were fringe nuts and only 10% were normal concerned citizens? /
Oh wait... that's not the way it went. I had teaparties confused with anti-war rallies.
Sigh! Thank you! If I understand what you observed, yes - 90% concerned folks, 10% nut cases. And yet, how sad is it that the 10% - who should probably have their meds upped - have served only to dash the hopes of the 90% who simply wanted to be heard.
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:43:33pm |
re: #217 capitalist piglet
I thought Obama actually had to pull a couple of things from his member blog pages, did he not? I can't remember what they were, but something happened.
I recall one. The page said something about far right evangelicals , and BHO was called on it at a town hall. He had it changed to something less critical of evangelical Christians.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:43:43pm |
re: #272 3 wood
Plus the MSM dropped any pretense of impartiality and openly became activists for the Democratic Party. That is beyond debate.
Exactly so. When the left's crazies go nuts, the MSM shills pretend not to notice them.
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:43:50pm |
re: #272 3 wood
Plus the MSM dropped any pretense of impartiality and openly became activists for the Democratic Party. That is beyond debate.
Wait, the left only had ABC,NBC,CBS,MSNBC,etc.. the right had Fox and that was equal according to the left.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:44:17pm |
re: #225 lone_wolf_in_illinois
One thing that I did notice about the tea party that Mrs. Wolf and I attended on the 4th was that there were definitely a lot of Luap Nor attendees there. It wasn't immediately evident, but by trolling the follow-up posts on the local websites from those attendees, it was easily discernible to see that a good majority of them were.
They are getting better at hiding their kookiness! I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. When I do catch one out in the open, I love to remind them that Luap Nor is affiliated with Racists and then ask them how they feel to be affiliated with racists by association. That usually shuts them up.
It's a bad thing. The fascist infiltration mainstreaming their ideology is terrible. I'm glad this has been exposed by Killgore and Charles. We shouldn't be afraid to ditch kooks- it actually makes us stronger.
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NY Nana Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:44:24pm |
re: #276 Gus 802
For the Obama apologists.
I wonder what the cretins who voted for The One would do now, if they were able to cast a re-vote.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:45:06pm |
At the end of the school year, my 4th grader brought home his social science workbook, that students usually keep at school. I noticed some unfinished pages, not torn out and handed in. The pages were templates of letters from state and city officials with intructions to the students to pretend that they were a mayor, a city manger, a principal and to write a response to a citizen about how to help them with a problem. "Imagine yourself as a public employee..."
Another section mentioned that our rights and responsibilities as a citizen included the right to "peaceful demonstrations." Can't wait until their older to teach them the importance of protest, I guess.
So I guess the justification for the tea parties can be found in the 4th grade socialist studies curriculum.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:45:08pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:45:13pm |
re: #274 BigPapa
I agree. However, are you trying to help the GOP by posting these stories here? Maybe it's a worthy cause, but I think racist bands at Tea Party rallies are much more damaging to the GOP than a local GOP website with some schlocky Obama picture as Hitler.
It's a thread about the lack of publicity of teaparties. I posted something that provided publicity about the teaparties, and suggested it was probably a good thing for the teaparties that they didn't get more of that sort of publicity.
Sorry, no apologies for posting it; it clearly was not offtopic.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:45:18pm |
re: #264 albusteve
I'm speaking to her personally...JT deserves all the good vibe she can get
/just be careful
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JacksonTn Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:45:18pm |
re: #280 avanti
I recall one. The page said something about far right evangelicals , and BHO was called on it at a town hall. He had it changed to something less critical of evangelical Christians.
Avanti ... you might want to go read the archives of THIS blog ... if you think that was the only thing that was "taken" down from Obama's website ... and if you any of you Obama supporters think I will ever forget that crap .... you would be very very wrong ...
Khalidi Tape Anyone? ... never letting it go ...
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:45:29pm |
re: #285 NY Nana
I wonder what the cretins who voted for The One would do now, if they were able to cast a re-vote.
I'm certain at least a good third would not vote for The One today. Especially a lot of seniors that may face out of pocket expenses under Obamacare.
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pink freud Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:45:56pm |
re: #213 JacksonTn
When you are stuck in bed for almost a week you run out of things to do ... I found Netflix InstantPlay a couple of days ago and now I have watched almost 10 movies and a few documentaries ... I am now hooked but hope to get out tomorrow ... I never did Netflix before because I don't like to order dvds ... but this instant thing is great! ...
Hey Jackson! Glad to see you're still among the living ..... I hope you're winning over that mold!
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:46:28pm |
re: #283 Iron Fist
I said it even before the election. The Republicans aren't going to win on a platform of "We suck less than the Democrats". They need to pick a few core issues and hammer them home. There are plenty of issues that the Democrats are open to attack on. Gun control is one. Energy is another, especially with gas prices starting to climb again. And, of course, there is foreign policy and the War (that Obama doesn't even see as a war). Those issues would be sufficient to bring the Democrats down if the Republicans would just use them.
Exactly, exactly. And don't forget the economy-- a move to fiscal conservatism would attract many voters, even former Democrats.
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:46:49pm |
re: #283 Iron Fist
I said it even before the election. The Republicans aren't going to win on a platform of "We suck less than the Democrats". They need to pick a few core issues and hammer them home. There are plenty of issues that the Democrats are open to attack on. Gun control is one. Energy is another, especially with gas prices starting to climb again. And, of course, there is foreign policy and the War (that Obama doesn't even see as a war). Those issues would be sufficient to bring the Democrats down if the Republicans would just use them.
The price of gas will be the downfall of 0bama and his group of idiots. As they fail to act on anything to bring the cost down, rather keep it high so everyone will buy those hybrids and minis no one could sell before.
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JacksonTn Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:46:53pm |
re: #290 Killian Bundy
/just be careful
KB ... LOL ... I don't bite ... I swear ... ya'll are not the same page about albusteve's comment ...
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:47:11pm |
re: #282 soxfan4life
Wait, the left only had ABC,NBC,CBS,MSNBC,etc.. the right had Fox and that was equal according to the left.
The right actually had maybe 1/2 of Fox, what with their stupid Fair and Balanced crap.
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:47:16pm |
re: #288 redc1c4
and that's only up to 2005, according to the web page.
True. It continues to this day.
Let's not forget Dick Durbins comments in 2005:
"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime – Pol Pot or others – that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:47:18pm |
re: #285 NY Nana
I wonder what the cretins who voted for The One would do now, if they were able to cast a re-vote.
vote for him again......
you can't fix stupid.
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:47:33pm |
re: #244 Wendya
I attended two Obama meet-ups. Both were nothing but Bush bashers and loons.
Sorry to hear that. We had one pacifist and another that wanted Bush tried for something, but they were ignored. The left has some embarrassing loons, no question, and you can't reason with them.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:47:40pm |
re: #283 Iron Fist
I said it even before the election. The Republicans aren't going to win on a platform of "We suck less than the Democrats". They need to pick a few core issues and hammer them home. There are plenty of issues that the Democrats are open to attack on. Gun control is one. Energy is another, especially with gas prices starting to climb again. And, of course, there is foreign policy and the War (that Obama doesn't even see as a war). Those issues would be sufficient to bring the Democrats down if the Republicans would just use them.
When oil hits $100 a barrel - it will be the economy stupid. Drill baby drill.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:47:42pm |
I voted, but I'm ashamed of my vote.
/iceweasel
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JacksonTn Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:47:54pm |
re: #293 pink freud
Pink! ... Hey! ... yes but don't you ever do that ... if you smell mold run! ...
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KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:47:54pm |
re: #239 Iron Fist
Hell, man, the craziest of the crazy Democrats has a seat in the Senate. I'm speaking, of course, about Senator Dick Durbin, D-al Qaeda. I haven't seen the Democrats distancing themselves from him at all, let alone making an effort to oust him in the primary the way they went after Joe Lieberman.
You just nailed it. For the GOP to hammer the Dems on their crazies, we have to get our house in order because the equivocation game will be played. The GOP usually loses that game.
The winner of that game gets the moderates.
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3 wood Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:48:10pm |
re: #281 Dark_Falcon
Exactly so. When the left's crazies go nuts, the MSM shills pretend not to notice them.
In my view, they define left wing craziness as "middle of the road". That's why you will get so few lefties who see that Obama is a socialist. Anything short of Joe Stalin gets seen as free market.
Got to hit the hay, good night.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:48:25pm |
re: #296 JacksonTn
KB ... LOL ... I don't bite ... I swear ... ya'll are not the same page about albusteve's comment ...
/it's been an all day thing
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:48:31pm |
re: #287 DistantThunder
At the end of the school year, my 4th grader brought home his social science workbook, that students usually keep at school. I noticed some unfinished pages, not torn out and handed in. The pages were templates of letters from state and city officials with intructions to the students to pretend that they were a mayor, a city manger, a principal and to write a response to a citizen about how to help them with a problem. "Imagine yourself as a public employee..."
Another section mentioned that our rights and responsibilities as a citizen included the right to "peaceful demonstrations." Can't wait until the
iry're older to teach them the importance of protest, I guess.So I guess the justification for the tea parties can be found in the 4th grade socialist studies curriculum.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:48:41pm |
re: #284 Sharmuta
It's a bad thing. The fascist infiltration mainstreaming their ideology is terrible. I'm glad this has been exposed by Killgore and Charles. We shouldn't be afraid to ditch kooks- it actually makes us stronger.
nobody within the GOP will step out and do the dirty work....citizens that have no idea who RP is cannot do it...if Steele does not get behind the tea parties they are doomed....I said that last winter...the exposure of the radical element is only one part of it...important but of little concern if nobody acts against them
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:48:42pm |
re: #190 kansas
KS -
AB-SO-TUTE-LY. "White" and "Black" - More Like "Pink" and "Brown" - folks have populated the North American Continent for the last 400 years. When we care to - we know each other verry well - in fact the "Brown" folks probably have a better take on it than the "Pinks" - the "Browns" getting the Short End of the Stick for about 100 years PAST the Civil War.
Discussion?
-S-
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Wendya Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:48:48pm |
re: #279 subsailor68
And yet, how sad is it that the 10% - who should probably have their meds upped - have served only to dash the hopes of the 90% who simply wanted to be heard.
They haven't. People need to stop acting like children when it comes to people voicing their opinions in public. You can't have a protest and then force everyone who attends or joins in to express your talking points. That's not the way it works and it's childish to assume you should hide under your bed rather than be caught walking past a paulbot. Is that our future? Cringe and hide for fear of being labeled something nasty by people who are more than willing to lie about us anyway?
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:49:18pm |
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:49:21pm |
re: #291 JacksonTn
Avanti ... you might want to go read the archives of THIS blog ... if you think that was the only thing that was "taken" down from Obama's website ... and if you any of you Obama supporters think I will ever forget that crap .... you would be very very wrong ...
Khalidi Tape Anyone? ... never letting it go ...
I bet it's been burned.
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garden18 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:49:32pm |
Lack of Tea Party reportage is further evidence of (1) why the MSM must go and (2) how much better off we'll be without MSM. When MSM is gone (major newspapers and 3 TV stations), the visceral knowledge a person has about the state of the economy and the nature of our enemies will count far more than it does today.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:49:51pm |
re: #300 avanti
Sorry to hear that. We had one pacifist and another that wanted Bush tried for something, but they were ignored. The left has some embarrassing loons, no question, and you can't reason with them.
true that: it doesn't seem to w*rk with you, for instance.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:50:07pm |
re: #277 jaunte
Forgot the emphasis:
WASHINGTON — Sen. Dick Durbin went to the Senate floor late Tuesday to offer his apologies to anyone who may have been offended by his comparison of treatment of detainees at the U.S. military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to Nazis, Soviet gulags and Cambodia's Pol Pot.
I think the people from the Nazi, Soviet, and Pol Pot death camps were to find themselves in Guantanamo Bay, Cube they would have fell to the knees crying tears of joy.
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:50:08pm |
Good evening y'all - I've only had a chance to skim this thread, but I am not at all surprised that the MSM didn't cover the Tea Parties.
Indeed, if it wasn't for Charles exposing the MSM's hypocrisy and lies with Rathergate, where Dan Rather, "60 Minutes" and CBS tried to pass off documents that they knew (or should have known) were forgeries and fakes as the real thing, JUST BEFORE the 2004 election, we might have had Lt. For Life (h/t TKF) John Kerry as POTUS.
The MSM will do whatever it can do to discredit and marginalize the right wing of the Republican Party and is firmly ensconced in Obama's pocket - his BACK pocket at that.
Having said that, I think picking July 4th was a poor idea, at best, for Tea Parties and I'd wager that the Tea Parties that will be held on April 15-16, 2010 are going to be HUGE.
Because - after you cull out the weirdos, whackos and Stormfront people, you still have HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of citizens who are now pissed off at the way the Democratic Party is doing what it always does best in a crisis: throw money at the problems.
And guess what? On April 15, 2010, the Dem's will no longer be able to blame Bush, for the Democratic Party will have controlled Congress, and hence appropriations, for four straight years.
I agree that the GOP needs to get it's act together and find some genuine leaders - and they will not be BASED in religion - they may very well believe in Religion and probably the Christian Religion, but they won't be the "socons" - they'll be the part of the mass of people who truly believe in small, EFFECTIVE government, of government that believes small business is and always has been the engine that generates the most jobs and that government has generally done every job it's picked up (from welfare, to ownership of the automobile industry, control of the banking industry, control of the financial services industry, control of the real estate industry, control of the energy industry and probably control of the health care industry as well) BADLY. And they will screw all of them up the same way they screwed up running welfare.
When Americans who DON'T have access to public transportation (i.e., "flyover country") get together with the folks in the Rust belt industrial states who cannot afford the energy needed or the coal to be mined, then there will be a taxpayers revolution (peaceful but still a revolution).
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:50:15pm |
Bush like Hitler, says first Muslim in Congress
By Toby Harnden in Washington
Published: 12:01AM BST 14 Jul 2007
Addressing a gathering of atheists in his home state of Minnesota, Keith Ellison, a Democrat, compared the 9/11 atrocities to the destruction of the Reichstag, the German parliament, in 1933. This was probably burned down by the Nazis in order to justify Hitler's later seizure of emergency powers.
"It's almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that," Mr Ellison said. "After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the Communists for it, and it put the leader [Hitler] of that country in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted."
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Neutral President Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:50:38pm |
re: #216 redc1c4
here's a randomly delivered slice of average democrat thinking from my liberal friends Facebook page today, as a reply to something he posted:
If it really is JUSTICE for all, why are not Bush & Cheney locked up already? WE THE PEOPLE need to call it as we see it and the entire Bush & Cheney scene was that of outlaws getting away with whatever they wanted! UN-AMERICAN!
Bust Bush & Cheney!
I expected things like that from some of my more lefty friends. None of them said anything insulting, asinine, or vaguely leftist sounding at all. I even posted a message saluting the armed forces and several lefties "liked" it.
Maybe they are more apathetic-default-left-leaners than I thought, rather than real lefties.
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:50:53pm |
OT, Holy Crap, watching how things are made. Apparently CO2 is released when baking saltines. OMG. Calling Al Gore. Guess we won't be able to afford crackers now.
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subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:51:13pm |
re: #299 redc1c4
vote for him again......
you can't fix stupid.
Hi redc1c4! Ah, never give up hope! I was (okay, you call me a news nerd and I'm never tallkin' to ya again) watching Jonah Goldberg on CSPAN the other night, and one caller on the Democrat line (a lady) made the comment that she'd voted for Obama, but would never, ever do so again. Not because he hadn't turned Left enough, but because she could see how damaging his policies were - and would become.
Sigh, okay fine, it was only one lady, but the longest journey begins with but a single step.
(Oh crap! That was Mao wasn't it?)
;-)
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itellu3times Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:51:26pm |
re: #283 Iron Fist
I said it even before the election. The Republicans aren't going to win on a platform of "We suck less than the Democrats". They need to pick a few core issues and hammer them home. There are plenty of issues that the Democrats are open to attack on. Gun control is one. Energy is another, especially with gas prices starting to climb again. And, of course, there is foreign policy and the War (that Obama doesn't even see as a war). Those issues would be sufficient to bring the Democrats down if the Republicans would just use them.
Need a Republican health care plan, and it can't be the status quo.
A competent Republican party could definitely get behind the "reallocation" them that right now is being left to Obama.
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:51:27pm |
re: #319 kansas
OT, Holy Crap, watching how things are made. Apparently CO2 is released when baking saltines. OMG. Calling Al Gore. Guess we won't be able to afford crackers now.
Cracker tax.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:51:44pm |
re: #268 Killian Bundy
Killian Bundy -
I VOTED FOR Gov. Sarah Palin, Sen. John McCain was an afterthought, would that were NOT so, yet it is.
-S-
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:52:25pm |
Originally published 11:45 p.m., January 5, 2004, updated 12:00 a.m., January 6, 2004
Jewish advocacy groups led an avalanche of sharp criticism yesterday against two potential television ads that compare President Bush to Adolf Hitler and were posted on a Web site run by MoveOn.org.
The Simon Wiesenthal Center, the Anti-Defamation League and the American Jewish Congress said the ads were beyond the pale of political discussion. Rep. Eric Cantor, Virginia Republican, called them "hate-mongering.
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itellu3times Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:53:07pm |
re: #319 kansas
OT, Holy Crap, watching how things are made. Apparently CO2 is released when baking saltines. OMG. Calling Al Gore. Guess we won't be able to afford crackers now.
matzoh.
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NY Nana Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:53:13pm |
re: #292 Gus 802
I'm certain at least a good third would not vote for The One today. Especially a lot of seniors that may face out of pocket expenses under Obamacare.
Spot-on! And I am a senior citizen who would not and did not vote for him..I would not vote for him if he was running unopposed.
I fear not only for my fellow seniors, but for our kids, grandkids, and their grandkids, etc., who will also suffer from what he has already done...not even six months into his dictatorship.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:53:15pm |
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ShanghaiEd Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:53:27pm |
re: #206 KipAllen
Why is anyone surprised that there was so little coverage? the MSM hopes the movement goes away.
Fox News, for one, was brimming with coverage and promos for the April tea parties. Why do you think they largely sat this one out? What changed?
Not necessarily the lower attendance this time, I'm thinking, because they promoted the previous events far in advance with no way of knowing what turnout would be.
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spudly Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:53:45pm |
re: #40 albusteve
probably over estimated by a bit, but no Paulians or white freak Nazis...none...I was there
I assumed by "thousands" they likely meant maybe 2000. I drove through the last one on Montgomery, and did a quick guestimate in that range.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:53:47pm |
Leftist protesters throwing "acid bombs" and ramming their vehicle into the opposition vehicle....Are they ever arrested?....No...these leftist have their own TV show called Whale Wars. Leftists celebrate the violence used against the Japanese whalers.
When are we going to see a reality show about violent abortion protesters? Try never, ever.
The left believe in violence, that's why Obama refused to stand up for the Iranian protesters for a whole week while they were being slaughtered in the streets.
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Mich-again Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:53:55pm |
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:54:23pm |
re: #330 Dr. Shalit
Gus802 -
SO, Congressman Ellison is a STOOGE? And you expected?
-S-
Just illustrating the past events from (or is that for) the sanctimonious leftists.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:54:35pm |
re: #319 kansas
OT, Holy Crap, watching how things are made. Apparently CO2 is released when baking saltines. OMG. Calling Al Gore. Guess we won't be able to afford crackers now.
all leavened baked goods..... it's created by the yeast, and is what makes the pores in the bread, etc....
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:54:39pm |
re: #302 Killian Bundy
I voted, but I'm ashamed of my vote.
/iceweasel
Ooh, a down ding, I'm crushed.
Once again, I comment anonymously at LGF, yet I'm still ashamed to reveal who I voted for. Might queer your deal, eh?
/are you going to cry now?
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Jhn1 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:54:48pm |
Well, since the media doesn't support anything supported in the TEA parties, that is no surprise.
Lower government spending? No
Smaller government? No
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:55:13pm |
re: #300 avanti
Sorry to hear that. We had one pacifist and another that wanted Bush tried for something, but they were ignored. The left has some embarrassing loons, no question, and you can't reason with them.
You just contradicted your comment below...
The Obama meet and greets are planned with lots of guidance from above, but it's not grass roots effort. If they were, the lefts meetings would be over run with the pacifists, Bush bashers, and far left loons.
Did the gatherings have left wing loons or not?
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razorbacker Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:56:11pm |
re: #283 Iron Fist
The Republicans aren't going to do that.
They have made a decision to run as Democrat Lite.
The problem with that is, why vote for Democrat Lite when you can vote for actual Democrats, and get all that free stuff they promise.
The GOP is going the way of the Whig party. The best that you can say is that they resemble Mugwumps.
When the Republic only has one national party, the suckage will only pick up velocity.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:56:18pm |
re: #322 itellu3times
Need a Republican health care plan, and it can't be the status quo.
A competent Republican party could definitely get behind the "reallocation" them that right now is being left to Obama.
yes healthcare should be reworked...but it is not a game breaker yet....the lack of affordable energy is by far the greater problem...this is what the GOP should spend their energy on...it's the big one and it's highballing down the pike straight at us...Iran, healthcare, stimulus are all just more shiny objects
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DEZes Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:56:21pm |
re: #203 The Other Les
Its the whips and chains that I'm worried about.
I hear that.
Its the miscreants here that are the real show, sit back and watch em.
They dig and grind salt into a wound, but if you talk or fight back, they start as liberals always do, pissing and moaning about being a victim.
They have smelled a small victory, and will now act like the rabid dogs they have always been.
They will nip and bite at any heal that has an owner with a back turned.
Tax, tax, tax, it never dawns on them to get off their ass and go to work,
oh no, its too easy to bang away on a keyboard about felt injustices, or how selfish it maybe for a man or woman to want to keep a decent part of what they work for.
Every man woman and child owes them a living, and they damned well mean to prove it.
They will continue to try and vote a nation into prosperity through taxation,
they will continue to to call anyone that wants to keep anything they earn as selfish twits while they lounge around wanting a hand out.
I show to you a nation filled with despots.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:56:22pm |
re: #319 kansas
OT, Holy Crap, watching how things are made. Apparently CO2 is released when baking saltines. OMG. Calling Al Gore. Guess we won't be able to afford crackers now.
Or Pop (soda), barbeque's, or beer (NOOOO!).
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NY Nana Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:57:00pm |
re: #317 Gus 802
I would like nothing better than to spit in Ellsion's face, but then he is not worth my spit.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:57:13pm |
Hell, even Charles admits he held his nose and voted for McCain.
/he didn't like it, but he didn't try and hide it
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Ojoe Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:57:14pm |
Good evening Lizards. See you tomorrow morning.
ZZZzzz....
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:57:31pm |
re: #333 DistantThunder
D-T -
Times like these ALMOST make you wish for the Renaissance of the IMPERIAL JAPANESE NAVY, don't they?
-S-
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:57:37pm |
re: #332 spudly
I assumed by "thousands" they likely meant maybe 2000. I drove through the last one on Montgomery, and did a quick guestimate in that range.
killer music and food tho...does that count for anything?
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kynna Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:57:46pm |
Here's a pretty good column about the reason for the situation in Honduras. For the millionth time -- why is Obama supporting Zalaya and, at the same time, leaving the Iranian protestors to hang?
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:57:58pm |
re: #341 albusteve
yes healthcare should be reworked...but it is not a game breaker yet....the lack of affordable energy is by far the greater problem...this is what the GOP should spend their energy on...it's the big one and it's highballing down the pike straight at us...Iran, healthcare, stimulus are all just more shiny objects
Once the Dems are done with oil and energy healthcare costs will be considered miniscule.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:58:07pm |
re: #337 Killian Bundy
Ooh, a down ding, I'm crushed.
Once again, I comment anonymously at LGF, yet I'm still ashamed to reveal who I voted for. Might queer your deal, eh?
/are you going to cry now?
I don't normally bother to downding anything. Consider it a present from me to you. :)
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JacksonTn Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:58:07pm |
Gotta go ... one more movie to watch ...
Must Be the Season of the Witch ... or something ...
Good Night Ya'll ...
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swamprat Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:58:24pm |
re: #307 DistantThunder
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Should be in first grade social studies.
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:58:56pm |
re: #344 NY Nana
I would like nothing better than to spit in Ellsion's face, but then he is not worth my spit.
Only if I were eating pork rinds or had some bacon fat in there.
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:59:05pm |
re: #309 Dr. Shalit
KS -
AB-SO-TUTE-LY. "White" and "Black" - More Like "Pink" and "Brown" - folks have populated the North American Continent for the last 400 years. When we care to - we know each other verry well - in fact the "Brown" folks probably have a better take on it than the "Pinks" - the "Browns" getting the Short End of the Stick for about 100 years PAST the Civil War.
Discussion?-S-
Time to move on with the short end of the stick thing when 60 percent of the public approve of Obama, and place his wife and children on a pedestal.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:59:14pm |
re: #322 itellu3times
Need a Republican health care plan, and it can't be the status quo.
A competent Republican party could definitely get behind the "reallocation" them that right now is being left to Obama.
Driving around Texas while on a visit, I saw many QuickMed walk in stores embedded in street malls. Isn't that the real solution? Make the services so ubiquitous that the price comes down? Very few people had medical insurance in the 60's but everyone went to the doctor. I know I did as a child. And to the dentist. So did my cousins who were not very well off.
I was in our local mega-drug store and heard an announcement that they had a new walk-in medical clinic opening. No need for an appointment for minor ailments. Think of how profitable it would be to have your customers diagnosed in your store so they can then buy the products? That's genius.
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:59:22pm |
re: #256 iceweasel
Since when do Americans have to report who they voted for? I didn't realise you needed to see my papers, Colonel Klink.
Well, the Colonel Klink comment was very un-Obama. "disagree without being disagreeable" mantra. I'd give you a upding for the voting comment, and a down ding for the Klink.
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KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:59:56pm |
re: #275 Wendya
Why do you carry water for the left with this idea that a dozen ron paul nuts detract from the other 400 citizens? Do you see what you are doing?
I ask the same of you. You seem to miss the various links and posts here where Luapnians promoted and hosted Tea Party rallies. We have another today where a racist band helped promote them.
And you're saying I'm holding water for detractors? If I'm a Kos Kid I can't wait to go to a Tea Party rally and take videos of the Troofers and Kooks, even if there's only 12 out of 400.
Let me ask you this: You asked if I had gone to a Tea Party rally. Let's say I said no: I'd go if there wasn't any Luapnians or racists there. You can scold me all you want and point out that there was probably only 12 Luapnians of the 400 otherwise awesome people all you want, but you're not dealing with the fact that the taint is already there and nothing is being done to remove it.
That taint holds some people off, like me. Worse, I go to a rally and see a Troofer sign and get any sense that it's more than one or two, I get the jeebies. Worse, the news cameras show up and guess what? Who's getting the interview?
This is the political reality of the situation.
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:00:03pm |
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ladycatnip Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:00:04pm |
#322 itellu3times
Need a Republican health care plan, and it can't be the status quo.
A competent Republican party could definitely get behind the "reallocation" them that right now is being left to Obama.
The repubs could pull this off by being the first lawmakers to voluntarily subject themselves to the exact same healthcare The One will be churning out. A crucial part of the bill would be NO exemptions from the prez on down.
That would be wildly popular with the voters, and it would also put the spotlight on how cushy the lawmakers have made it for themselves.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:00:15pm |
re: #343 Idle Drifter
Or Pop (soda), barbeque's, or beer (NOOOO!).
Fireworks. Well they're illegal in some areas anyways like where I live. Not that that stops people from buying them and setting them off. It's July 5th and people are still setting off a butt load of illegal fireworks like rockets and mortars. I can see, hear, and smell them with the faint eveing wind. I've always liked the smell of gun powder.
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:00:19pm |
re: #344 NY Nana
I would like nothing better than to spit in Ellsion's face, but then he is not worth my spit.
Here's Ellison stumping for Obama in 2008:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Here they are. Best buddies.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:00:41pm |
re: #352 JacksonTn
Gotta go ... one more movie to watch ...
Must Be the Season of the Witch ... or something ...
Good Night Ya'll ...
whoa...I'm one of eight people that know this song....thanks
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jaunte Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:00:48pm |
re: #349 kynna
Here's a pretty good column about the reason for the situation in Honduras. For the millionth time -- why is Obama supporting Zalaya and, at the same time, leaving the Iranian protestors to hang?
This writer makes another good point:
If Richard Nixon had been impeached and convicted for Watergate, and then refused to leave office, until being forced out by the military, would that have been a “military coup”? Of course not. But Obama and many in the press are taking essentially that position in demanding the reinstatement of Honduras’s would-be dictator.[Link: www.examiner.com...]
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garden18 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:00:56pm |
re: #349 kynna
Because he is on the wrong side of every issue. Obama is an evil and dangerous man.
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Mich-again Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:01:00pm |
re: #333 DistantThunder
Leftist protesters throwing "acid bombs" and ramming their vehicle into the opposition vehicle....Are they ever arrested?....No...
Arrested, yes. Convicted? Thats another story.
At the GOP convention last year in MN, there were about 150 felony arrests for all sorts of destructive and violent behavior, including dropping bags of concrete from overpasses onto tour buses full of delegates, spraying chemicals in the faces of delegates, inciting riots, all sorts of things. From those arrests, 21 were charged with felonies. And at last check, you could count the actual felony convictions on one hand.
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Kosh's Shadow Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:01:16pm |
re: #333 DistantThunder
Leftist protesters throwing "acid bombs" and ramming their vehicle into the opposition vehicle....Are they ever arrested?....No...these leftist have their own TV show called Whale Wars. Leftists celebrate the violence used against the Japanese whalers.
When are we going to see a reality show about violent abortion protesters? Try never, ever.
The left believe in violence, that's why Obama refused to stand up for the Iranian protesters for a whole week while they were being slaughtered in the streets.
I watch the ads for whale wars, where they complain about the acoustic weapon, and think those moonbats are lucky. Years ago, they'd just be harpooned.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:01:32pm |
re: #316 realwest
Agreed. My idea was to use the TARP proceeds as an issue, since Barney Frank said he want to use TARP proceeds for new housing programs. We should insist any bank bailout profits the government might get be rebated to taxpayers, or failing that, used to pay down the national debt.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:01:50pm |
re: #351 iceweasel
I don't normally bother to downding anything. Consider it a present from me to you. :)
Let's try this, iceweasel voted for Obama, deny it.
/because you apparently voted for someone other than McCain
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:01:57pm |
re: #353 swamprat
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Should be in first grade social studies.
Except it says "peacefully demonstrate" which has a whole other meaning - and they know it.
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:01:57pm |
re: #333 DistantThunder
And that's why President Obama aligned himself with Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua and Hugo Chavez of Venezuela agains the "coup" that wasn't in Honduras.
Never mind the Honduran Constitution, nevermind the democratically elected Congress, never mind the Honduran Supreme Court which gave the order to the Honduran Military to follow the Honduran Constitution and "evict" the President and never mind the blood that would run in the streets if he were allowed back into Honduras. That's OK with them.
Just as ShortShit's murdering and beating and probably trying and executing "dissidents" within Iran (or, more likely, having those people murdered and beaten, tried and executed) it's all good as long as The One gets to meet with Dinnerjacket and converse with him about Iran's giving up nuclear weapons.
Oh, yes, the Left in this country is quite familar with and comfortable with violence being committed for "the cause".
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ShanghaiEd Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:02:16pm |
re: #287 DistantThunder
At the end of the school year, my 4th grader brought home his social science workbook, that students usually keep at school. I noticed some unfinished pages, not torn out and handed in. The pages were templates of letters from state and city officials with intructions to the students to pretend that they were a mayor, a city manger, a principal and to write a response to a citizen about how to help them with a problem. "Imagine yourself as a public employee..."
Another section mentioned that our rights and responsibilities as a citizen included the right to "peaceful demonstrations." Can't wait until their older to teach them the importance of protest, I guess.
So I guess the justification for the tea parties can be found in the 4th grade socialist studies curriculum.
DT, I have to confess I see nothing wrong with those lessons. Sounds like the same basic Civics that I was taught (back when they called it Civics) some 50 years ago. The right to peaceful demonstrations is indeed one of our precious ones, though its effect seems more limited, these days.
What do see about any of those facts that's "socialist"?
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NY Nana Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:02:23pm |
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:02:55pm |
re: #371 Killian Bundy
Let's try this, iceweasel voted for Obama, deny it.
/because you apparently voted for someone other than McCain
it's the new denial....remorse
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:03:09pm |
re: #375 NY Nana
/They deserve each other.
How am I supposed to eat my popcorn after seeing that?
Soak the popcorn in water.
//
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Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:03:19pm |
re: #349 kynna
Here's a pretty good column about the reason for the situation in Honduras. For the millionth time -- why is Obama supporting Zalaya and, at the same time, leaving the Iranian protestors to hang?
Because one is trying become a socialist dictator for life, and the other is a group striving for freedom and democracy.
It should be obvious which one Obama would support.
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:04:06pm |
re: #378 Racer X
Because one is trying become a socialist dictator for life, and the other is a group striving for freedom and democracy.
It should be obvious which one Obama would support.
It is obvious.
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hazzyday Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:04:21pm |
re: #319 kansas
According to Gore, Republicans release 2.3 times the Co2 of Democrats. He's created some sort of green energy initiative to address this soylent problem.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:04:27pm |
re: #357 avanti
Well, the Colonel Klink comment was very un-Obama. "disagree without being disagreeable" mantra. I'd give you a upding for the voting comment, and a down ding for the Klink.
Hee. Fair enough. I should follow the Obama/Jay Z mantra--sometimes you have to just get that dirt off your shoulder.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:04:40pm |
re: #283 Iron Fist
I said it even before the election. The Republicans aren't going to win on a platform of "We suck less than the Democrats". They need to pick a few core issues and hammer them home. There are plenty of issues that the Democrats are open to attack on. Gun control is one. Energy is another, especially with gas prices starting to climb again. And, of course, there is foreign policy and the War (that Obama doesn't even see as a war). Those issues would be sufficient to bring the Democrats down if the Republicans would just use them.
And there's the rub.
As far as I can tell recently, the R's are not focusing on the correct issues.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:05:00pm |
re: #368 Mich-again
Arrested, yes. Convicted? Thats another story.
At the GOP convention last year in MN, there were about 150 felony arrests for all sorts of destructive and violent behavior, including dropping bags of concrete from overpasses onto tour buses full of delegates, spraying chemicals in the faces of delegates, inciting riots, all sorts of things. From those arrests, 21 were charged with felonies. And at last check, you could count the actual felony convictions on one hand.
But the "moderates" say they will side with the liberals if there is even the smidgen of taint on the republican side. They have to ignore horrific behavior - and ignore that fact that 15 of the 16 most dangerous cities in America are run by Democrats. Coincidence?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:05:05pm |
re: #378 Racer X
Because one is trying become a socialist dictator for life, and the other is a group striving for freedom and democracy.
It should be obvious which one Obama would support.
DING! DING! DING!
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Noam Sayin' Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:05:16pm |
re: #371 Killian Bundy
Let's try this, iceweasel voted for Obama, deny it.
/because you apparently voted for someone other than McCain
Who else was on the ticket? Maybe he voted for Nader.
I admit I did, but the alternative was Gore.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:05:33pm |
re: #341 albusteve
albusteve -
GOOD ANALYSIS. Posit that "GAS" went to $1/gal., OR LESS after "Gulf War II" under the "Kick Your Ass - Steal YOUR GAS" scenario. What would the "Against the War" percentage have been in 2004? Goes to show that GWB was NOT Hitler, Not Even Julius Caesar.
Perhaps, that was HIS MISTAKE!
-S-
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Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:05:44pm |
Hi, I'm Racer X, and I held my nose and voted for McCain.
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retief_99 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:05:45pm |
Gee, you'd almost think some Americans had commiited some sin by gathering and protesting something the government was doing they didn't like. Aren't we, as a free country and free people supposed to allow our citizens to peacefully protest what the government does or does not do? I would guess the mass of the protesters were tax payers and felt they had a right to protest how their taxes were being spent, whether it was sensible, reasonable, or even correct. I am an arch conservative, and I will not alter my principles. Also, almost half the people did not vote for Obama, so they don't feel obligated to support him in most of his agenda. I don't.
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:05:52pm |
re: #380 hazzyday
According to Gore, Republicans release 2.3 times the Co2 of Democrats. He's created some sort of green energy initiative to address this soylent problem.
Republican Soylent Green? Yuck.
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:06:22pm |
re: #370 Dark_Falcon
If Barney Frank was truly interested in the future of America, he would move to delete the CRA from the books. Then he would "advise" the Treasury Department to stop making it all up as they go, let banks who want to pay back the TARP money pay it back (with the understanding that by doing so they'd never get any more Federal bailouts) and use all of that money to help reduce Obama's BUDGETED deficit of nearly TWO TRILLION Dollars.
But Barney Frank is only interested in Barney Frank.
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Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:06:41pm |
BTW, the Dr. Pepper marinated pork loin was pretty darn tasty!
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:06:59pm |
re: #386 Iron Fist
That very quote is why I refer to him as the Senator for al Qaeda. Because he gave al Qadea a propaganda victory the like of which would have been nearly impossible for them to pull off.
And he did it for free. He is a vile little man, to say the least.
He's at the White House a great deal to. Obviously since they're both from Illinois but Obama shares Durbin's views.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:07:30pm |
re: #379 kansas
It is obvious.
Agreed. Obama has hung out with anti-freedom leftists for decades. He prefers their company to that of those who love liberty. By keeping such bad company he richly validates his nickname of Fucking Commie Bastard BHO.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:07:41pm |
re: #374 ShanghaiEd
DT, I have to confess I see nothing wrong with those lessons. Sounds like the same basic Civics that I was taught (back when they called it Civics) some 50 years ago. The right to peaceful demonstrations is indeed one of our precious ones, though its effect seems more limited, these days.
What do see about any of those facts that's "socialist"?
If it said assembly, like in the constitution I wouldn't mind, but the left is into the hostile protests whether they be union, or against Supreme court nominees, or La RAza in LA - they can do no wrong. But let the right organize, and each individual that shows up is scrutinized. It's a malicious double standard.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:07:46pm |
re: #381 iceweasel
Hee. Fair enough. I should follow the Obama/Jay Z mantra--sometimes you have to just get that dirt off your shoulder.
Why don't you just admit you voted for Obama? You're going to continue to sit here and spout against Republicans, let's have a little truth in advertising.
/it's not that hard, why continue to deny the obvious?
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:07:58pm |
re: #388 Racer X
Hi, I'm Racer X, and I held my nose and voted for McCain.
Hi RacerX -
To reiterate - in Nov. 2008, I Voted FOR Gov. Sarah Palin. Sen. McCain was an afterthought.
-S-
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:08:27pm |
re: #396 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. Obama has hung out with anti-freedom leftists for decades. He prefers their company to that of those who love liberty. By keeping such bad company he richly validates his nickname of Fucking Commie Bastard BHO.
Liberty opposes everything 0 believes in.
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GGMac Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:08:59pm |
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Mich-again Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:09:01pm |
re: #378 Racer X
Like so many politicians before him, when pressed, Obama supports the status quo.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:09:02pm |
re: #393 Racer X
BTW, the Dr. Pepper marinated pork loin was pretty darn tasty!
Yeesh. I could have guessed that but you can never be sure until you try it.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:09:09pm |
re: #380 hazzyday
According to Gore, Republicans release 2.3 times the Co2 of Democrats. He's created some sort of green energy initiative to address this soylent problem.
Well, let's just do a compare and contrast, shall we, between Gore and a prominent Republican with the initials GWB.
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kansas Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:09:18pm |
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NY Nana Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:09:19pm |
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:09:24pm |
re: #387 Dr. Shalit
albusteve -
GOOD ANALYSIS. Posit that "GAS" went to $1/gal., OR LESS after "Gulf War II" under the "Kick Your Ass - Steal YOUR GAS" scenario. What would the "Against the War" percentage have been in 2004? Goes to show that GWB was NOT Hitler, Not Even Julius Caesar.
Perhaps, that was HIS MISTAKE!-S-
energy, energy, more energy...without it there will be maximum turmoil and who can say what the results will be?...liberals are gonna get people killed again, somewhere, somehow
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itellu3times Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:09:27pm |
re: #356 DistantThunder
Driving around Texas while on a visit, I saw many QuickMed walk in stores embedded in street malls. Isn't that the real solution? Make the services so ubiquitous that the price comes down? Very few people had medical insurance in the 60's but everyone went to the doctor. I know I did as a child. And to the dentist. So did my cousins who were not very well off.
I was in our local mega-drug store and heard an announcement that they had a new walk-in medical clinic opening. No need for an appointment for minor ailments. Think of how profitable it would be to have your customers diagnosed in your store so they can then buy the products? That's genius.
I'm all for this - walk in "free" service (of course someone pays - you do, via taxes).
But the problem with health care is not office visits and a couple of pill bottles, its hospitalization and high-tech tests and treatments.
I doubt there's a good (read: free) solution, but I think the money is there, which is what Obama keeps saying, and just because he says it, doesn't necessarily make it false.
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:09:42pm |
re: #381 iceweasel
Hee. Fair enough. I should follow the Obama/Jay Z mantra--sometimes you have to just get that dirt off your shoulder.
Hey, girl, you gotta be you, to be honest, I'm glad to see BHO at least give the evil eye now and then.
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:10:01pm |
re: #407 NY Nana
Now you tell me?
Looking through some Obama photos made a tooth of mine flare up.
/Ouch.
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The Other Les Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:10:17pm |
re: #333 DistantThunder
The left believe in violence, that's why Obama refused to stand up for the Iranian protesters for a whole week while they were being slaughtered in the streets.
"Do not open your mouth to tell me that your mind has convinced you of our right to force my mind. Force and mind are opposites: morality ends where the gun begins. When you declare that men are irrational animals and propose to treat them as such, you define thereby your own character and can no longer claim the sanction of reason--as no advocates of contradictions can claim it. There can be no "right" to destroy the source of rights, the only means of judging right and wrong: the mind."
-- Ayn Rand, Galt's Speech, Atlas Shrugged
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pink freud Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:10:34pm |
re: #371 Killian Bundy
There are people worldwide who support 0bama that are not necessarily able to vote.
/just saying ...
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:10:47pm |
re: #385 Noam Sayin'
HEY NOAM! How are you my friend - and I just LOVE your new avatar.
That the voters (or not) elected (or not) Al Franken to the US Senate says a whole lot about the people in your state and how they've allowed the voting process to be managed.
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:10:50pm |
re: #389 retief_99
Gee, you'd almost think some Americans had commiited some sin by gathering and protesting something the government was doing they didn't like. Aren't we, as a free country and free people supposed to allow our citizens to peacefully protest what the government does or does not do? I would guess the mass of the protesters were tax payers and felt they had a right to protest how their taxes were being spent, whether it was sensible, reasonable, or even correct. I am an arch conservative, and I will not alter my principles. Also, almost half the people did not vote for Obama, so they don't feel obligated to support him in most of his agenda. I don't.
Does it not bother you that racists and nuts are showing up?
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NY Nana Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:10:54pm |
Tea party? I have an exclusive video of one of them:
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:11:01pm |
re: #410 avanti
Hey, girl, you gotta be you, to be honest, I'm glad to see BHO at least give the evil eye now and then.
/at least you're up front about your intentions here
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:11:26pm |
re: #346 Ojoe
Good evening Lizards. See you tomorrow morning.
ZZZzzz....
and with KLOS playing "The Last Resort" in the background....
evenings like this, i still love LA.
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:11:28pm |
re: #410 avanti
Hey, girl, you gotta be you, to be honest, I'm glad to see BHO at least give the evil eye now and then.
You can see his eyes from down there?
//
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:11:31pm |
re: #398 Killian Bundy
Why don't you just admit you voted for Obama? You're going to continue to sit here and spout against Republicans, let's have a little truth in advertising.
/it's not that hard, why continue to deny the obvious?
Because I deeply, deeply enjoy watching you continue to obsess over this.
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soxfan4life Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:11:33pm |
re: #410 avanti
Hey, girl, you gotta be you, to be honest, I'm glad to see BHO at least give the evil eye now and then.
Problem is he gives it to the wrong people... us. He cozies right up to dictators and murderous thugs while giving his electorate the evil eye.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:11:44pm |
At the grocery store I saw the following magazines: Oprah, Time with Michelle on the cover, and People with Michael Jackson on the cover. Oh, there was one magazine with Farah sharing a cover with Michael.
Did any of you hear that Farah's cancer, anal cancer, is extremely rare and most often linked to the HPV virus? Media didn't report the HPV connection anywhere, yet that's what the medical science blogs say.
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dapperdave Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:12:12pm |
I wonder, how big was the turn out? I think a lot of people have better things to do on the 4th of July than running around protesting.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:12:22pm |
re: #392 realwest
If Barney Frank was truly interested in the future of America, he would move to delete the CRA from the books. Then he would "advise" the Treasury Department to stop making it all up as they go, let banks who want to pay back the TARP money pay it back (with the understanding that by doing so they'd never get any more Federal bailouts) and use all of that money to help reduce Obama's BUDGETED deficit of nearly TWO TRILLION Dollars.
But Barney Frank is only interested in Barney Frank.
"I AM THE BARNEY OF HELL'S FIRE"....
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:12:31pm |
re: #388 Racer X
Hi, I'm Racer X, and I held my nose and voted for McCain.
Hi, I'm SOS and I couldn't get to the friggin' voting booth fast enough to vote against Spread The Misery.
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Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:12:47pm |
re: #404 Killgore Trout
Yeesh. I could have guessed that but you can never be sure until you try it.
It all depends on the pork loin too. Get a nice tender one and its hard to screw up. Get one tough as leather and not much can be done.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:12:57pm |
re: #410 avanti
Hey, girl, you gotta be you, to be honest, I'm glad to see BHO at least give the evil eye now and then.
It's true. I don't know how he stays that calm, but at least he occasionally gives the stink-eye.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:13:02pm |
re: #392 realwest
If Barney Frank was truly interested in the future of America, he would move to delete the CRA from the books. Then he would "advise" the Treasury Department to stop making it all up as they go, let banks who want to pay back the TARP money pay it back (with the understanding that by doing so they'd never get any more Federal bailouts) and use all of that money to help reduce Obama's BUDGETED deficit of nearly TWO TRILLION Dollars.
But Barney Frank is only interested in Barney Frank.
Agreed. that's why I advocated talking past him. If he introduces a bill to plow TARP interest into new spending, we counter with a tax-rebate bill and an ad campaign. We hold rallies, write letters, and make our congresscritters know that we want our money back. If they refuse to abide by our wishes, then we bounce a few of them out on their tails.
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retief_99 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:13:04pm |
re: #415 MandyManners
Name one large group that does not have "racists and nuts" in it, so we condemn the whole affair because not everyone is the type of person we think they should be?
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:13:06pm |
re: #413 pink freud
There are people worldwide who support 0bama that are not necessarily able to vote.
/just saying ...
/she said she's voted in every election since she was 18, but apparently not so proud about the last one or trying to pretend she didn't vote Obama
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NY Nana Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:13:13pm |
re: #411 Gus 802
Looking through some Obama photos made a tooth of mine flare up.
/Ouch.
OK, now you are really in trouble! Massive Fresca™ spew on my monitor!
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Neutral President Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:13:30pm |
re: #382 reine.de.tout
And there's the rub.
As far as I can tell recently, the R's are not focusing on the correct issues.
That's a problem I don't see going away, post 2006 election. In the middle of a War on Terror we are worried about their abortion stance more than their foreign policy background and world view of candidates. The economy is crashing like an Airbus, and we hand wring about gay marriage and nominate a guy who knows next to nothing about the economy.
Not saying that these issues are unimportant or unworthy of any discussion, but we need to get our priorities straightened out or expect a Lost Decade for the USA and 8 years of Obama apologizing for America hoping people will like us.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:13:37pm |
re: #409 itellu3times
I'm all for this - walk in "free" service (of course someone pays - you do, via taxes).
But the problem with health care is not office visits and a couple of pill bottles, its hospitalization and high-tech tests and treatments.
I doubt there's a good (read: free) solution, but I think the money is there, which is what Obama keeps saying, and just because he says it, doesn't necessarily make it false.
The solutions I mentioned were all for profit. But if patients have control over their own medical dollars, won't more provider compete for those dollars? I think they will.
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:13:48pm |
re: #420 iceweasel
Because I deeply, deeply enjoy watching you continue to obsess over this.
I demand to see your birth certificate, report cards, and kindergarten finger paintings./
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:14:15pm |
re: #420 iceweasel
Because I deeply, deeply enjoy watching you continue to obsess over this.
who's obsessed exactly?....why are Obots so secretive?
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MandyManners Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:14:16pm |
re: #430 retief_99
Name one large group that does not have "racists and nuts" in it, so we condemn the whole affair because not everyone is the type of person we think they should be?
I will not attend a rally at which people who want to kill Jews are attending. No way. No how.
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subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:14:43pm |
Okay, guys, although I'm preachin' to the choir here, I'd love to see a Republican candidate for president say something like this:
My friends,
I'm about to take a few minutes to speak to my fellow citizens on the issues about which I feel very strongly. Before I do so, however, I'd like to tell all those out there who are waiting to hear what I'll "do" for them that it would be a good idea to change the channel now.
But, as a public service, I'd also like to warn those folks that I don't recommend turning to shows like American Idol, Dancing With the Stars, Survivor, or America's Got Talent.
Why?
Because the theme of all those programs is centered on merit. Idol contestants are voted off because they don't "merit" moving ahead. Dancing contestants are ruthlessly culled each week based on the fact that other contestants have either more talent, or have worked harder. Survivor contestants live or die by a combination of teamwork and individual effort. America's Got Talent - well, you can imagine what happens to those who don't.
Turn, rather, to a sports telecast. Whoops! The teams that win are comprised of those with talent, perseverance, and teamwork. Forget those. Golf, on the other hand....crap, that Tiger Woods fellow's on again.
Cooking shows. Rats! People don't win those by "just showing up" either.
Okay, let me think. There's got to be something out there for you.
Oh yeah, tune in to the Democratic National Committee's weekly broadcast. There must be something for you there.
......
Now, to continue.....
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:14:58pm |
re: #405 reine.de.tout
Excellent comment and link reine! Thank you!
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Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:15:00pm |
re: #436 avanti
I demand to see your birth certificate, report cards, and kindergarten finger paintings./
OK, that was funny.
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hazzyday Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:15:03pm |
re: #405 reine.de.tout
Well, let's just do a compare and contrast, shall we, between Gore and a prominent Republican with the initials GWB.
It looks like Gore much grow weed in his mansion. high electricity bills. That's enough for a police raid in some jurisdictions.
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jvic Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:15:36pm |
re: #304 BigPapa
You just nailed it. For the GOP to hammer the Dems on their crazies, we have to get our house in order because the equivocation game will be played. The GOP usually loses that game.The winner of that game gets the moderates.
The Reagan team calmly accepted that the rules of the media game were loaded against them...and they won the game anyway.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:16:30pm |
re: #420 iceweasel
Because I deeply, deeply enjoy watching you continue to obsess over this.
Yes, yes, I'm sure that's it.
/who else here is ashamed to tell who they voted for in 2008?
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ShanghaiEd Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:16:44pm |
re: #397 DistantThunder
If it said assembly, like in the constitution I wouldn't mind, but the left is into the hostile protests whether they be union, or against Supreme court nominees, or La RAza in LA - they can do no wrong. But let the right organize, and each individual that shows up is scrutinized. It's a malicious double standard.
The lesson didn't say "assembly"? What did it say? I don't understand what the problem is.
There may well be double standards in the world, but I don't see how that relates to the lesson, as you describe it above. Sounds very even-handed to me.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:16:55pm |
Anyone have any new ideas for bumper stickers? How about
Progressive thought:
"We want fewer and better children . . . and we cannot make the social life and the world-peace we are determined to make, with the ill-bred, ill-trained swarms of inferior citizens that you inflict on us."
Margaret Sanger
(The 20th-century reproductive-rights movement, really embodied in the life and leadership of Margaret Sanger, was one of the most transformational in the entire history of the human race.)
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
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The Other Les Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:17:07pm |
re: #373 realwest
I've made a prediction which I've been posting around since the first of this month:
President Barack Obama will send American forces to Honduras to restore former Honduran President Manuel Zelaya by force, or will use American civil and military resources to support a third party invasion (by the Sandinista regime in Nicaragua) to do the same.
So far three civilians have disagreed, and one retired Special Forces officer have agreed with it.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:17:26pm |
if you support BO and are comfortable with his fiscal and foreign policy...raise your hand!....c'mon you won!...let's see those hands!
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razorbacker Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:17:30pm |
I see that PGI Obama is going to Russia next week.
And of course Biden is in Iraq.
If Biden doesn't make it back to the USA before PGI Obama leaves, I guess that we can rest easy in our minds with the knowledge that Nancy Pelosi has things well in hand.
I forsee an Al Haig "I'm in charge" moment sometimes next week.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:17:46pm |
re: #405 reine.de.tout
Yo Queenie -
Is former VP Gore KIDDING or WHAT?
YO AL - I VOTED FOR YOU IN 2000. Put your "Carbon Footprint" up against "Bush 43" - Guess What - YOU LOSE!
Some "Talk the Talk" - Some "Walk the Walk" - Some "Talk" Without saying anything, Some "Walk" without going anywhere.
In My Humble Estimation, that has become YOUR FATE. were it NOT so - AND- SO IT SEEMS. That is all.
-S-
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Mich-again Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:18:00pm |
re: #408 albusteve
energy, energy, more energy...without it there will be maximum turmoil and who can say what the results will be?.
And there is plenty of yellowcake near Duke City no?
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Kosh's Shadow Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:18:06pm |
re: #378 Racer X
Because one is trying become a socialist dictator for life, and the other is a group striving for freedom and democracy.
It should be obvious which one Obama would support.
How long before there is a big push to overturn the 22nd amendment in the US?
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Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:18:31pm |
I've yet to see anything from Obama that looks like he has the best interests of the country in mind. From my seat, it looks like he is doing everything he can to take things away from those who have, and give free stuff to those who can't get it on their own.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:19:01pm |
re: #444 Killian Bundy
Yes, yes, I'm sure that's it.
/who else here is ashamed to tell who they voted for in 2008?
IW cannot admit she voted for Obama, since she herself has made a number of disparaging remarks about his administration.
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Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:19:17pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:19:19pm |
re: #426 sngnsgt
We need to find its Hopeychange Exhaust Port and fire Logic Torpedoes down it.
Stay on Target!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:19:49pm |
Hey everyone, I hope you had a great holiday weekend. I had a couple of really good gigs, spent some time with friends and family, ate barbecue (REAL barbecue, ribs I cooked in my smoker, not burgers and hotdogs on a grill) and drank too much beer.
Afrocity Brown has written some really good stuff on her blog in the last couple of days.
Check it out: [Link: afrocityblog.wordpress.com...]
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itellu3times Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:20:12pm |
re: #434 DistantThunder
The solutions I mentioned were all for profit. But if patients have control over their own medical dollars, won't more provider compete for those dollars? I think they will.
I need to look into these "family practice" walk-in clinics, I need a good PCP who takes my insurance anyway.
"Control over dollars" is very, very weak in health care, whether at the individual level or at the billion-dollar bureaucrat level. There's the basic rule of quality control - you build it in, you don't test it in after the fact. Cost control is another a posteriori approach.
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Kosh's Shadow Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:20:12pm |
re: #454 Racer X
I've yet to see anything from Obama that looks like he has the best interests of the country in mind. From my seat, it looks like he is doing everything he can to take things away from those who have, and give free stuff to those who can't get it on their own.
Honestly, I think he believes this is best for the country, because ne has not learned to observe how this program has worked elsewhere. (Miserable failure.)
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:20:30pm |
re: #452 Mich-again
And there is plenty of yellowcake near Duke City no?
no shit, that stuff is all over the place down here...I googled it one time and...holy shit!...raw, spent, processed, bombs...the whole enchilada
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:20:55pm |
re: #409 itellu3times
Where do you suppose all that money is? Serious question - and from one who cannot afford the treatment he needs.
I'd really like to know where that money is.
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ShanghaiEd Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:21:18pm |
re: #422 DistantThunder
At the grocery store I saw the following magazines: Oprah, Time with Michelle on the cover, and People with Michael Jackson on the cover. Oh, there was one magazine with Farah sharing a cover with Michael.
Did any of you hear that Farah's cancer, anal cancer, is extremely rare and most often linked to the HPV virus? Media didn't report the HPV connection anywhere, yet that's what the medical science blogs say.
DT, what possible difference does it make if Farrah Fawcett had the HPV virus? Or if her cancer was "linked" to it?
I can only see one direction you're going here, and it's an ugly one.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:21:25pm |
re: #445 ShanghaiEd
The lesson didn't say "assembly"? What did it say? I don't understand what the problem is.
There may well be double standards in the world, but I don't see how that relates to the lesson, as you describe it above. Sounds very even-handed to me.
The lesson said that the constitution gives us the right to "peaceful demonstrations." Demonstrations is a leftist term and a hallmark of big labor.
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:21:57pm |
re: #339 Walter L. Newton
Did the gatherings have left wing loons or not?
if he attended, the answer is "yes"......
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Mich-again Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:22:17pm |
re: #454 Racer X
About now, I wonder if we wouldn't be better off if Hillary were President and Billy Jeff was around.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:22:23pm |
re: #442 hazzyday
It looks like Gore much grow weed in his mansion. high electricity bills. That's enough for a police raid in some jurisdictions.
That would explain a great deal.
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:23:01pm |
re: #424 albusteve
Excellent choice my friend, just excellent!
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KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:23:03pm |
re: #430 retief_99
Name one large group that does not have "racists and nuts" in it, so we condemn the whole affair because not everyone is the type of person we think they should be?
That's a fallacy. Any large enough group will have child molesters and maybe even a serial killer in it.
But to have a sub group within a larger group, that promotes certain views that doesn't have a mainstream appeal can be cause for changing or detracting from the message of the larger group. If Tea Parties had an occasional Troofer with a sign but was outcast, this wouldn't even be discussed. However this is not the case: kooks have promoted and been significant contributors to some Tea Party events. These kooks have the potential to taint other groups or events where there was no kooks at all.
To deny this is handing detractors the can of gas with which to pour over our grass roots.
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jaunte Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:23:18pm |
re: #442 hazzyday
It looks like Gore much grow weed in his mansion. high electricity bills. That's enough for a police raid in some jurisdictions.
He's actually a carbon tax farmer.
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jvic Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:23:30pm |
re: #320 subsailor68
...
Sigh, okay fine, it was only one lady, but the longest journey begins with but a single step.(Oh crap! That was Mao wasn't it?)
;-)
No, you're good.
Taoist, not Maoist.
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KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:23:54pm |
re: #443 jvic
The Reagan team calmly accepted that the rules of the media game were loaded against them...and they won the game anyway.
They still played the game.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:24:45pm |
re: #459 itellu3times
I need to look into these "family practice" walk-in clinics, I need a good PCP who takes my insurance anyway.
"Control over dollars" is very, very weak in health care, whether at the individual level or at the billion-dollar bureaucrat level. There's the basic rule of quality control - you build it in, you don't test it in after the fact. Cost control is another a posteriori approach.
We had one down the road from us in San Jose. They are also known as urgent care clinics. Our daughter fell out of a hammock and needed stitches in her forehead, so instead of spending hours in the ER and spending big bucks, we went to the urgent care clinic. It cost us about $150 total. Imagine what the ER would have cost!
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ShanghaiEd Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:25:04pm |
re: #319 kansas
OT, Holy Crap, watching how things are made. Apparently CO2 is released when baking saltines. OMG. Calling Al Gore. Guess we won't be able to afford crackers now.
kansas, I am obligated to repeat my explanation of CO2 when this subject arises:
Each day, I shamelessly release urine and fecal matter in my bathroom. There are societal restrictions on when and where urine and fecal matter can be released. They're good restrictions, because among other things they keep people from shitting in my yard.
What is so difficult about this?
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Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:25:20pm |
Recent scenes from the ISS
Not sure if someone posted this the other day, but these images are freakin awesome!
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:25:47pm |
re: #429 Dark_Falcon
" If they refuse to abide by our wishes, then we bounce a few lot of them out on their tails.
There, FTFY my friend!
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:26:20pm |
re: #473 DistantThunder
We had one down the road from us in San Jose. They are also known as urgent care clinics. Our daughter fell out of a hammock and needed stitches in her forehead, so instead of spending hours in the ER and spending big bucks, we went to the urgent care clinic. It cost us about $150 total. Imagine what the ER would have cost!
I can tell you ER stories that would curl your toes...literally wiped me out to pay the bills
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JohnAdams Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:26:33pm |
re: #449 albusteve
if you support BO and are comfortable with his fiscal and foreign policy...raise your hand!....c'mon you won!...let's see those hands!
I've been challenging flaming liberals all weekend to tell me that the deficit numbers they are running are a good thing...they dodge, they obfuscate, they can't answer.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:26:37pm |
re: #476 realwest
" If they refuse to abide by our wishes, then we bounce a
fewlot of them out on their tails.
There, FTFY my friend!
I consider my post improved.
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Noam Sayin' Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:26:44pm |
re: #414 realwest
Hey, dude.
Yeah, I'm thinking of wearing the avatar until Senator Poopy Pants f*cks up or we all get sick of it.
My bet is on Franken.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:27:00pm |
re: #477 albusteve
I can tell you ER stories that would curl your toes...literally wiped me out to pay the bills
Do tell them. I love a good story.
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The Other Les Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:27:03pm |
re: #433 ArchangelMichael
Here's my theory on why Lefties make a big deal about abortion:
If we believe that the Right to Life (and the causally subsequent Rights of Liberty, etc.) begins at conception, then at what point (short of a conviction for a capital offense) can that right be denied to a person? Voluntary Socialism has been repeatedly proven (The Plymouth Colony, Jonestown,etc.) to not work. Thus in order for Socialism to "work" it has to be made compulsory, through the credible threat of violence against productive persons. Which means that any social concept that restrains the power of the state, such as the Rights of Life and Liberty, has to be rendered invalid. Preferably by the victims themselves. What Ayn Rand used to call the Sanction of the Victim.
The term "pro-choice" is a typical socialist inversion of meaning. To deny the Right to Life of a fetus would be in moral effect to deny the Right of Life to that person for the entire span of his or her life. Thus it would open the door to the Coercive Socialism through the credible threat of deadly force against productive persons.
But as the history of the Soviet Union has shown, that doesn't work either.
What are your questions on this block of instruction?
(Yes, I know what Rand's position on abortion is.)
This was originally posted on my political blog.
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razorbacker Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:27:20pm |
1. Vice President Joe Biden
2 Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi
3 President pro tempore of the Senate Robert Byrd
4 Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton
5 Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner
6 Secretary of Defense Robert Gates
7 Attorney General Eric Holder
8 Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar
9 Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack
10 Secretary of Commerce Gary Locke
11 Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis
12 Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius
13 Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Shaun Donovan
14 Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood
15 Secretary of Energy Steven Chu
The above is the United States Presidential line of seccession.
The country is in the very best of hands.
16 Secretary of Education Arne Duncan
17 Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki
18 Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano
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subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:27:27pm |
re: #462 realwest
Where do you suppose all that money is? Serious question - and from one who cannot afford the treatment he needs.
I'd really like to know where that money is.
Hi RW! Hope ya got to see some terrific fireworks last night (and that your Mom enjoyed 'em too!).
It's not - at least to me - the fact that the money is or isn't there. It's more that I'd much rather find a way to make sure there's funding for you to get the treatment you need, than to fund the annual salary of a bureaucrat who is there simply to find ways to tell you how there's no money for you.
Quite frankly, I'd rather find a way to fund the means to make sure you're here to post for many years to come, than to fund some moron to 'splain to you why you won't.
But that's just me. For some damn reason I find you more important than I do Philo Crabgrass, Deputy Assistant, Under Secretary in Obama's "Medical Can't Do" Agency (MCDA).
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:27:59pm |
re: #463 ShanghaiEd
DT, what possible difference does it make if Farrah Fawcett had the HPV virus? Or if her cancer was "linked" to it?
I can only see one direction you're going here, and it's an ugly one.
You might not know, and the media doesn't help, that there is an epidemic of cervical cancer related to the HPV virus in young women. Condoms do not offer protection against the virus. Hence the media missed an opportunity, to simply mention that the HPV virus is linked to this rare anal cancer. They could say that they don't know if that was the case with Farrah, but with 1/4 of all teenage girls in New York City infected with some type of STD, I think it's worth discussing in the press.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:28:04pm |
re: #478 JohnAdams
I've been challenging flaming liberals all weekend to tell me that the deficit numbers they are running are a good thing...they dodge, they obfuscate, they can't answer.
yes and meanwhile our reputation is sinking...go figure
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Bobblehead Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:28:33pm |
re: #475 Racer X
Recent scenes from the ISS
Not sure if someone posted this the other day, but these images are freakin awesome!
Our wondrous, amazing planet.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:28:41pm |
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redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:28:49pm |
re: #374 ShanghaiEd
DT, I have to confess I see nothing wrong with those lessons. Sounds like the same basic Civics that I was taught (back when they called it Civics) some 50 years ago. The right to peaceful demonstrations is indeed one of our precious ones, though its effect seems more limited, these days.
What do see about any of those facts that's "socialist"?
because, since the pages were still in the book, it was obvious the teacher never covered the subject.
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patrickafir Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:29:31pm |
There was an entire section for it on Google News's home page when I checked this morning.
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:29:34pm |
re: #444 Killian Bundy
Yes, yes, I'm sure that's it.
/who else here is ashamed to tell who they voted for in 2008?
If you voted for "Clueless Joe" Biden, would you admit it? LOL
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Idle Drifter Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:30:03pm |
re: #474 ShanghaiEd
I'm still upset they got rid of so-called high flow toilets because they thought they would save on water. I have to flush a low flow toilet 2 to 3 times on average after dropping a duce to ensure all waste material is gone.
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itellu3times Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:30:08pm |
re: #462 realwest
Where do you suppose all that money is? Serious question - and from one who cannot afford the treatment he needs.
I'd really like to know where that money is.
The money is in the hospital already. Guy gets an MRI, real cost is about $100, they list it at $1000, get reimbursed by whoever for $250, and this covers one and a half indigents.
Guy who does pay the $250, pays $30k/year taxes and $10k/year in health care premiums. Obama says, pay $35k/year taxes and $5k/year in insurance premiums. Then the government disburses the money to pay for indigents, instead of a profit-seeking hospital deciding to do so.
That kind of thing, writ big, is the deal. Yes, after all that, the government will have to allocate another $100b/year or so to make it all work, so that not just indigents but normal people can get free (or very low co-pay) care. And in this day and age, can we find that $100b? Well yeah, we can, as long as it goes for some useful purpose.
I don't see anything in this but clever accounting, that falls well within what a Republican and conservative can support, and a realization that in this day and age, we're a rich country and can afford to spend a little (!) to streamline and improve health care for all.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:30:33pm |
re: #478 JohnAdams
I've been challenging flaming liberals all weekend to tell me that the deficit numbers they are running are a good thing...they dodge, they obfuscate, they can't answer.
Maybe you'd like to share this quote with them in person:
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work ... After eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started ... And an enormous debt to boot!"
— Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau, commenting on the failures of the New Deal after two terms of FDR
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:30:35pm |
re: #455 Walter L. Newton
IW cannot admit she voted for Obama, since she herself has made a number of disparaging remarks about his administration.
/she's commenting anonymously, at least have the guts to disclose which side you're on
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The Other Les Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:30:41pm |
re: #446 DistantThunder
The old-school progressives like Sanger didn't believe in "reproductive freedom." They believed in eugenics. The control of human breeding by the state. A position that progressives dropped like a hot potato when it was discovered in 1945 that someone actually tried to enforce eugenic policies in Europe.
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ShanghaiEd Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:30:48pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:30:51pm |
re: #455 Walter L. Newton
IW cannot admit she voted for Obama, since she herself has made a number of disparaging remarks about his administration.
Of course I've made criticisms of his admin, and I will continue to do so, and I've linked to others on the left who have as well. Every administration needs a strong opposition, and it's very important that every administration (and politician) face criticism from those within its own party.
I refuse to say who I've voted for because, frankly, Americans don't have to.
Also, it drives Killian nuts. :)
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:30:57pm |
re: #438 MandyManners
I will not attend a rally at which people who want to kill Jews are attending. No way. No how.
Excuse me Mandy - but what about protests where folks deliberately and intentionally malign our troops? Or protests that compare Bush to Hitler?
The problem with who attends Tea Parties is very simple: if it's indeed a public protest then they (people who want to kill Jews) have a legal right to attend and they cannot be denied. Not legally, anyway.
And btw, the Left has the same problem: how do you hold a legitimate anti-war protest (Iraq war I'm thinking) without allowing the Cindy Shehags and Code Pinkos to attend (never mind the anarchists; they need SOMEONE to organize events that they can attend and trash)?
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:31:47pm |
re: #490 redc1c4
because, since the pages were still in the book, it was obvious the teacher never covered the subject.
The point is that these textbooks are used all over the country. I happen to live in the only county in New Jersey run almost entirely by Republicans.
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JohnAdams Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:31:56pm |
re: #487 albusteve
yes and meanwhile our reputation is sinking...go figure
It's a frightening reality when a know-nothing GQ runway model with dulcet vocal chords can seduce an electorate and get 4 years to play our country like a Harvard experiment...
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itellu3times Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:32:58pm |
re: #473 DistantThunder
We had one down the road from us in San Jose. They are also known as urgent care clinics. Our daughter fell out of a hammock and needed stitches in her forehead, so instead of spending hours in the ER and spending big bucks, we went to the urgent care clinic. It cost us about $150 total. Imagine what the ER would have cost!
I think there's a spectrum of these clinics, depending on the kinds of care offered.
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The Other Les Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:33:01pm |
re: #456 Racer X
Not a chance.
The backlash will overwhelm him.
What backlash? The Left in general will praise him for restoring Democracy, Peace, Love, and Happy Chocolates.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:33:51pm |
re: #500 iceweasel
I refuseI'm ashamed to say who I've voted for because, frankly,Americans don't have toI voted for Obama/Biden.blockquote>/FTFY
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:33:53pm |
re: #438 MandyManners
I will not attend a rally at which people who want to kill Jews are attending. No way. No how.
I won't either Mandy.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:34:28pm |
re: #494 itellu3times
Problem is that the government has already gotten involved in Europe and Canada, and I don't like what I see there in their health care.
We're not speculating about what might happen here, we can already see what will, because it already has, in other countries.
They did a study on a part of Canada that is genetically close to a part of the US. Guess what? If you get cancer in Canada, you are more likely to die than in that part of the US, because you will get treatment later.
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ShanghaiEd Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:34:33pm |
re: #486 DistantThunder
You might not know, and the media doesn't help, that there is an epidemic of cervical cancer related to the HPV virus in young women. Condoms do not offer protection against the virus. Hence the media missed an opportunity, to simply mention that the HPV virus is linked to this rare anal cancer. They could say that they don't know if that was the case with Farrah, but with 1/4 of all teenage girls in New York City infected with some type of STD, I think it's worth discussing in the press.
DT, I know very well about the HPV virus, and I was afraid that was where you were going. No woman's sex life is any of your business, or my business, period. Ever.
If you're trying to make points for some sexual abstinence argument based on a woman's death, that's beyond sick.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:34:44pm |
GWB spoke in OK this weekend. He said wonderful things about our country - and obviously meant them. He needs to make a video so the rest of us can play it over and over because we sure as hell aren't going to hear anything like sincere praise for our country out of this administration.
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:35:36pm |
I didn't vote for Obama because his stated policies during the election sucked harder than a strung out jonesin' tranny at a glory hole.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:35:53pm |
re: #473 DistantThunder
We had one down the road from us in San Jose. They are also known as urgent care clinics. Our daughter fell out of a hammock and needed stitches in her forehead, so instead of spending hours in the ER and spending big bucks, we went to the urgent care clinic. It cost us about $150 total. Imagine what the ER would have cost!
These clinics are great - they are often open late in the evening, and also on weekends. The one near us takes our insurance so a visit is $40.
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Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:35:57pm |
re: #505 The Other Les
What backlash? The Left in general will praise him for restoring Democracy, Peace, Love, and Happy Chocolates.
If Obama sends American troops to Honduras that will simply not fly (think El Salvador). A more likely scenario would be a quick phone call to his buddy in Venezuela, and let Hugo do the dirty work.
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JohnAdams Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:36:27pm |
re: #496 DistantThunder
Maybe you'd like to share this quote with them in person:
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work ... After eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started ... And an enormous debt to boot!"
— Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau, commenting on the failures of the New Deal after two terms of FDR
Upding. Has it occurred to anyone that we are not really even experiencing the pain yet? I believe we are burning the furniture right now...when that runs out this place is going to go bonkers mad and the anvil is going to fall on the loon Democrats. I give it about a year.
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alegrias Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:36:44pm |
re: #503 JohnAdams
It's a frightening reality when a know-nothing GQ runway model with dulcet vocal chords can seduce an electorate and get 4 years to play our country like a Harvard experiment...
* * * * *
KNOW NOTHING? Our President's mother played Marx for Baby Geniuses while pregnant.
KNOW NOTHING? Our President attended top schools.
KNOW NOTHING? Are you suggesting our President is some hick from the sticks like a certain female governor of the country's biggest state who was OBVIOUSLY only elected mayor & governor because of her runway model looks?
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:36:51pm |
re: #503 JohnAdams
It's a frightening reality when a know-nothing GQ runway model with dulcet vocal chords can seduce an electorate and get 4 years to play our country like a Harvard experiment...
it's not over yet tho....few people can put three pounds of shit in a two pound bag and Barry ain't one of em....
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:36:52pm |
re: #510 ShanghaiEd
DT, I know very well about the HPV virus, and I was afraid that was where you were going. No woman's sex life is any of your business, or my business, period. Ever.
If you're trying to make points for some sexual abstinence argument based on a woman's death, that's beyond sick.
I thought he might be promoting the HPV inoculation program for young women.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:37:13pm |
re: #510 ShanghaiEd
DT, I know very well about the HPV virus, and I was afraid that was where you were going. No woman's sex life is any of your business, or my business, period. Ever.
If you're trying to make points for some sexual abstinence argument based on a woman's death, that's beyond sick.
Well, perhaps DT is trying to make an argument that there is a vaccine for this that people need to know about.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:37:48pm |
re: #512 RunningBare
I didn't vote for Obama because his stated policies during the election sucked harder than a strung out jonesin' tranny at a glory hole.
Yeesh, not what I wanted to fall asleep thinking about.
But seems accurate.
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:38:01pm |
re: #503 JohnAdams
It's a frightening reality when a know-nothing GQ runway model with dulcet vocal chords can seduce an electorate and get 4 years to play our country like a Harvard experiment...
Or worse... like a Stanford Prison Experiment...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:38:07pm |
re: #510 ShanghaiEd
How about making sure girls know about HPV. It's real, it's serious, and girls need to know about it.
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Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:38:07pm |
re: #510 ShanghaiEd
DT, I know very well about the HPV virus, and I was afraid that was where you were going. No woman's sex life is any of your business, or my business, period. Ever.
If you're trying to make points for some sexual abstinence argument based on a woman's death, that's beyond sick.
I think you are jumping to conclusions here. Let DT explain where she was going. HPV is now preventable with a vaccine.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:38:21pm |
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:38:24pm |
re: #441 Racer X
OK, that was funny.
Would it be funny if we said -as many of us did, lets see your medical records, not just a one page letter from your doctor? Or how about let's see your transcripts from Colombia because there's this rumor going around that you didn't graduate with honors which leads us to ask: how did you get into Harvard Law School? Let's see your Harvard Law School transcripts to see how you earned your way on to Law Review and while we're at it, could you please tell us what you did on the Law Review? You didn't write any articles or notes - and from one Ivy League educated lawyer to another - you know that's bizarre to say the least. Oh, and while you're at it, could you please tell us how it came to be that you could afford to go to Columbia and Harvard?
Do you think those would be funny questions? There MUST be something wrong with them because the MSM never saw fit to ask 'em in the first place.
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ShanghaiEd Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:38:26pm |
re: #490 redc1c4
because, since the pages were still in the book, it was obvious the teacher never covered the subject.
OK, I'm confused. Teaching about peaceful assembly is (a) good, or (b) bad? It should be in the book, but not taught? It shouldn't be in the book to start with? You've lost me.
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:38:32pm |
Here's a sample from one local urgent care:
NO HEALTH INSURANCE?
PREMIER Immediate Medical Care has developed a fee schedule which offers significant savings over the emergency room through its Premier Medical Club Membership Program. Click Here for details. With cost-savings of five to eight times cheaper than the ER, those without insurance now have a reasonable outlet to get the healthcare they need. Payment of fees will be due in accordance with our payment policy
Benefits include:
Open 365 days a year – Call for hours
No appointment needed
Emergency room-trained physicians
Acute-care pediatrics
On-site x-ray and lab diagnostics
Most medical insurance plans accepted
This is an example of the private sector figuring out how to drive down the cost of care without sacrificing the quality - and it's for profit.
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subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:38:40pm |
re: #494 itellu3times
The money is in the hospital already. Guy gets an MRI, real cost is about $100, they list it at $1000, get reimbursed by whoever for $250, and this covers one and a half indigents.
Guy who does pay the $250, pays $30k/year taxes and $10k/year in health care premiums. Obama says, pay $35k/year taxes and $5k/year in insurance premiums. Then the government disburses the money to pay for indigents, instead of a profit-seeking hospital deciding to do so.
That kind of thing, writ big, is the deal. Yes, after all that, the government will have to allocate another $100b/year or so to make it all work, so that not just indigents but normal people can get free (or very low co-pay) care. And in this day and age, can we find that $100b? Well yeah, we can, as long as it goes for some useful purpose.
I don't see anything in this but clever accounting, that falls well within what a Republican and conservative can support, and a realization that in this day and age, we're a rich country and can afford to spend a little (!) to streamline and improve health care for all.
Assuming I can accept the overall premise of your example, there is one assumption that I find a bit troubling:
Then the government disburses the money to pay for indigents, instead of a profit-seeking hospital deciding to do so.
Given the track record of AMTRAK, the post office, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, and just about every other example of government trying to show the private sector how to do things efficiently and effectively......
I'd probably go with the profit-seeking hospital - given that you've only offered those two options.
;-)
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:38:59pm |
re: #500 iceweasel
Of course I've made criticisms of his admin, and I will continue to do so, and I've linked to others on the left who have as well. Every administration needs a strong opposition, and it's very important that every administration (and politician) face criticism from those within its own party.
I refuse to say who I've voted for because, frankly, Americans don't have to.
Also, it drives Killian nuts. :)
don't think so...you way over rate yourself...you said you've been reading this blog for several years but you don't seem to know anybody here...typical
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:39:08pm |
re: #516 alegrias
* * * * *
KNOW NOTHING? Our President's mother played Marx for Baby Geniuses while pregnant.
I love that one, it's so over the top that it made me giggle.
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The Other Les Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:39:12pm |
re: #514 Racer X
If Obama sends American troops to Honduras that will simply not fly (think El Salvador). A more likely scenario would be a quick phone call to his buddy in Venezuela, and let Hugo do the dirty work.
I'm pretty sure I covered the possibility of a third party intervention. I used Nicaragua in the prediction because of the location and the ideological affinity of the current regime there.
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Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:40:36pm |
re: #526 realwest
Howdy RW!
I agree with what you posted re Obama. What was funny was the finger painting remark. Thats it.
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The Other Les Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:41:07pm |
re: #516 alegrias
Well knowing Marxism pretty much qualifies as knowing nothing, in reality anyway.
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:41:19pm |
re: #514 Racer X
If Obama sends American troops to Honduras that will simply not fly (think El Salvador). A more likely scenario would be a quick phone call to his buddy in Venezuela, and let Hugo do the dirty work.
* Rushes out to create some "NO BLOOD FOR WHATEVER IT IS HONDURAS EXPORTS" bumper stickers*
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:41:51pm |
re: #510 ShanghaiEd
DT, I know very well about the HPV virus, and I was afraid that was where you were going. No woman's sex life is any of your business, or my business, period. Ever.
If you're trying to make points for some sexual abstinence argument based on a woman's death, that's beyond sick.
Updinged you for the first sentiment, but I don't think DT was making the second argument-- just pointing out that a broader opportunity to raise awareness was missed.
A better way to do it would be to talk about all the causes of that kind of cancer, and mention HPV as one of them.
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JohnAdams Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:42:05pm |
re: #508 reine.de.tout
I won't either Mandy.
Cop out. If 99% of the people there are advancing a great cause, why would you allow a few loons to ruin it for you? Ultimately, if you are going to wait for the rally where everybody agrees with you 100%, you might as well have it in your bathroom by yourself. Come on people. Get out there and speak your mind. If some clown is spouting BS next to you, tell him to go fuck himself.
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Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:42:23pm |
re: #532 The Other Les
I'm pretty sure I covered the possibility of a third party intervention. I used Nicaragua in the prediction because of the location and the ideological affinity of the current regime there.
I agree. American troops on the ground would be a disaster for mister "end the Iraq war" Obama.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:43:02pm |
re: #535 RunningBare
* Rushes out to create some "NO BLOOD FOR WHATEVER IT IS HONDURAS EXPORTS" bumper stickers*
NO BLOOD FOR BANANAS !
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:43:06pm |
re: #447 The Other Les
"So far three civilians have disagreed, and one retired Special Forces officer have agreed with it." I'm actually surprised by that - that retired Special Forces officer is, IMO, wrong. And he shoud have known better - the very last thing Obama wants to do is send American troops ANYWHERE where they aren't currently engaged.
And frankly, all the US aid given to Ortega won't help him; the Honduran military is actually quite good - our Special Forces participated greatly in their training.
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NY Nana Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:43:23pm |
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:43:50pm |
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:44:29pm |
re: #542 RunningBare
I dont' know... I'd kill for one right now.
I got bananas!...how many do you want?....
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DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:44:30pm |
re: #519 reine.de.tout
Well, perhaps DT is trying to make an argument that there is a vaccine for this that people need to know about.
Ed - that's absurd. Can't we talk about how people are contracting rare diseases? Why wouldn't that be a legitimate part of the story? You know, the "HOW" of the story. These STD are costing us Billions a year to treat. Why the fear? Lying about the original AIDS virus and refusing to treat it a a contagious disease created an epidemic. Now we are creating another one. The HPV virus also can cause infertility.
From the CDC:
Most people with HPV do not develop symptoms or health problems. But sometimes, certain types of HPV can cause genital warts in men and women. Other HPV types can cause cervical cancer and other less common cancers, such as cancers of the vulva, vagina, anus, and penis. The types of HPV that can cause genital warts are not the same as the types that can cause cancer.HPV types are often referred to as “low-risk” (wart-causing) or “high-risk” (cancer-causing), based on whether they put a person at risk for cancer. In 90% of cases, the body’s immune system clears the HPV infection naturally within two years. This is true of both high-risk and low-risk types.
Genital warts usually appear as small bumps or groups of bumps, usually in the genital area. They can be raised or flat, single or multiple, small or large, and sometimes cauliflower shaped. They can appear on the vulva, in or around the vagina or anus, on the cervix, and on the penis, scrotum, groin, or thigh. Warts may appear within weeks or months after sexual contact with an infected person. Or, they may not appear at all. If left untreated, genital warts may go away, remain unchanged, or increase in size or number. They will not turn into cancer.
Cervical cancer does not have symptoms until it is quite advanced. For this reason, it is important for women to get screened regularly for cervical cancer.
Other less common HPV-related cancers, such as cancers of the vulva, vagina, anus and penis, also may not have signs or symptoms until they are advanced.
Why not talk about a deadly virus when someone has died from a cancer that the virus can produce?
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:44:40pm |
re: #453 Kosh's Shadow
Well Democratic Congressman Serrano (NY) has introduced just such a bill.
But he's done it repeatedly before, usually when a Democrat is President.
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Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:44:49pm |
Images of what's going on in Honduras.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:44:57pm |
re: #532 The Other Les
I'm pretty sure I covered the possibility of a third party intervention. I used Nicaragua in the prediction because of the location and the ideological affinity of the current regime there.
Still confused about where Obama is on this and where the United States should be? Let's go to the scorecard.
And, as usual, Charles Krauthammer nails reality to the objective wall.
Any further questions?
/class dismissed
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:45:09pm |
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SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:45:26pm |
re: #542 RunningBare
I dont' know... I'd kill for one right now.
NO BLOOD FOR COFF.....
/mmm, nevermind.
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subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:45:32pm |
re: #535 RunningBare
* Rushes out to create some "NO BLOOD FOR WHATEVER IT IS HONDURAS EXPORTS" bumper stickers*
Dear RunningBare,
We regret to inform you that Honduras Sign Company, as a result of the political upheaval we're certain you've read about, is unable to ship your order for 10,000 "NO BLOOD FOR WHATEVER IT IS HONDURAS EXPORTS" bumper stickers.
We'll keep you posted.
Best wishes,
Raoul Frapas
President, Honduran Chamber of Commerce
| 551 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:45:50pm |
re: #527 ShanghaiEd
OK, I'm confused. Teaching about peaceful assembly is (a) good, or (b) bad? It should be in the book, but not taught? It shouldn't be in the book to start with? You've lost me.
Many textbooks my daughter uses are actually "workbooks", where pages are removed and used for note-taking, studying, etc. The pages that stay in the book are the ones for topics not covered. Since I haven't followed this conversation closely, that's the only thing I can think of.
| 553 |
albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:45:54pm |
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JohnAdams Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:45:58pm |
re: #516 alegrias
* * * * *
KNOW NOTHING? Our President's mother played Marx for Baby Geniuses while pregnant.KNOW NOTHING? Our President attended top schools.
KNOW NOTHING? Are you suggesting our President is some hick from the sticks like a certain female governor of the country's biggest state who was OBVIOUSLY only elected mayor & governor because of her runway model looks?
Fuck you. Straw man. Obama is an academic who never lived five minutes inside the shoes of real people, Sarah Palin included, for what its worth. He doesn't know shit.
| 555 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:47:08pm |
re: #550 subsailor68
Dear RunningBare,
We regret to inform you that Honduras Sign Company, as a result of the political upheaval we're certain you've read about, is unable to ship your order for 10,000 "NO BLOOD FOR WHATEVER IT IS HONDURAS EXPORTS" bumper stickers.
We'll keep you posted.
Best wishes,
Raoul Frapas
President, Honduran Chamber of Commerce
ROTFLMAO...
I just looked. My skimpy designer briefs were made there, too... So, "NO BLOOD FOR UNDERPANTS!"
| 556 |
albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:47:17pm |
this is exciting...I've never sold my bananas before...hope I don't blow it...any fruit brokers out there?
| 557 |
ShanghaiEd Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:47:24pm |
DT and all...so sorry, I screwed this up. My reply was inappropriate, because I totally misread what you were getting at. Yes, HPV vaccination is very important.
Most of the times I see HPV mentioned online, it's an argument for sexual abstinence by attacking the character of a woman who contracts the virus. I was primed and ready to lower the boom. Wrong boom, wrong target.
Also, my apologies for assuming that thunder is male. Very sexist of me.
| 558 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:47:39pm |
re: #537 JohnAdams
Cop out. If 99% of the people there are advancing a great cause, why would you allow a few loons to ruin it for you? Ultimately, if you are going to wait for the rally where everybody agrees with you 100%, you might as well have it in your bathroom by yourself. Come on people. Get out there and speak your mind. If some clown is spouting BS next to you, tell him to go fuck himself.
If the opportunity exists to shout down the clown spouting BS, yes I may be there.
But if it's a gathering similar to the Dallas Tea Party that TFK described earlier to day - NO, I will not be there, or I will leave once it becomes obvious what's on the agenda.
| 559 |
avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:48:05pm |
re: #526 realwest
Would it be funny if we said -as many of us did, lets see your medical records, not just a one page letter from your doctor? Or how about let's see your transcripts from Colombia because there's this rumor going around that you didn't graduate with honors which leads us to ask: how did you get into Harvard Law School? Let's see your Harvard Law School transcripts to see how you earned your way on to Law Review and while we're at it, could you please tell us what you did on the Law Review? You didn't write any articles or notes - and from one Ivy League educated lawyer to another - you know that's bizarre to say the least. Oh, and while you're at it, could you please tell us how it came to be that you could afford to go to Columbia and Harvard?
Do you think those would be funny questions? There MUST be something wrong with them because the MSM never saw fit to ask 'em in the first place.
Simple it was all a conspirancy laid out decades ago. He was admitted to Columbia and Harvard even though unqualified. His election to the law review was faked, as was his graduation with honors. All of this was done by leftists planning his election as POTUS some 25 years later, after Ayers wrote both his books. Worst of all, he was not a US citizen. /s
| 560 |
Idle Drifter Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:48:18pm |
re: #554 JohnAdams
Dude, I think alegrias was being sarcastic.
| 561 |
Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:48:36pm |
| 562 |
wiffersnapper Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:49:07pm |
I'd care about Tea Parties if the Ronulans would gtfo.
| 563 |
DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:49:46pm |
re: #527 ShanghaiEd
OK, I'm confused. Teaching about peaceful assembly is (a) good, or (b) bad? It should be in the book, but not taught? It shouldn't be in the book to start with? You've lost me.
It's the word "demonstration" which is a big labor leftist word that has an entirely different connotation that the constitutional word "assembly." Church is an assembly, PTA meeting are an assembly - but they are not demonstrations. I think it's a way to get kids to eventually earn and accept these obnoxious leftist protests, like, for example, the frenzied acorn activists bussed to AIG executives' homes as legitimate. "Demonstration" is an leftist activist word.
| 564 |
jaunte Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:49:46pm |
re: #558 reine.de.tout
Smaller neighborhood assemblies will be less vulnerable to Paulian organizers.
| 565 |
avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:49:57pm |
re: #538 Racer X
I agree. American troops on the ground would be a disaster for mister "end the Iraq war" Obama.
I can't believe you are actually discussing it. The world will condemn the coup, while cheering the result privately.
| 566 |
albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:50:35pm |
re: #559 avanti
Simple it was all a conspirancy laid out decades ago. He was admitted to Columbia and Harvard even though unqualified. His election to the law review was faked, as was his graduation with honors. All of this was done by leftists planning his election as POTUS some 25 years later, after Ayers wrote both his books. Worst of all, he was not a US citizen. /s
re: #559 avanti
Simple it was all a conspirancy laid out decades ago. He was admitted to Columbia and Harvard even though unqualified. His election to the law review was faked, as was his graduation with honors. All of this was done by leftists planning his election as POTUS some 25 years later, after Ayers wrote both his books. Worst of all, he was not a US citizen. /s
supreme insecurity there avanti....nice job
| 567 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:50:40pm |
re: #557 ShanghaiEd
DT and all...so sorry, I screwed this up. My reply was inappropriate, because I totally misread what you were getting at. Yes, HPV vaccination is very important.
Most of the times I see HPV mentioned online, it's an argument for sexual abstinence by attacking the character of a woman who contracts the virus. I was primed and ready to lower the boom. Wrong boom, wrong target.
Also, my apologies for assuming that thunder is male. Very sexist of me.
While I believe abstinence is the preferred message for teens for a whole host of reasons that have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with a teen's lack of emotional maturity to deal with a sexual relationship, my daughter is getting the vaccine, as have many of her friends.
We can't force them to be abstinent. We can only counsel them.
| 568 |
Irenicum Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:51:32pm |
Wow. Tonight seems to be flame out night. Anyway, here's raspberries. G'nite all!
| 569 |
JohnAdams Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:51:40pm |
re: #558 reine.de.tout
If the opportunity exists to shout down the clown spouting BS, yes I may be there.
But if it's a gathering similar to the Dallas Tea Party that TFK described earlier to day - NO, I will not be there, or I will leave once it becomes obvious what's on the agenda.
Well, the people drinking lattes and reading the NYT so civilly at your neighborhood coffee shop are currently destroying the country. The uber-right wing loons are generally isolated.
| 570 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:51:50pm |
re: #564 jaunte
Smaller neighborhood assemblies will be less vulnerable to Paulian organizers.
Yes, absolutely.
the larger events have speakers lined up, etc., and so little chance that I (or TFK) would be able to contribute.
| 571 |
redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:51:53pm |
re: #527 ShanghaiEd
OK, I'm confused. Teaching about peaceful assembly is (a) good, or (b) bad? It should be in the book, but not taught? It shouldn't be in the book to start with? You've lost me.
it was a w*rkbook, where the pages, according to the original post, were to be turned in after the exercise was done.
that the pages were still there indicates the teacher skipped the lesson.
| 572 |
realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:51:53pm |
re: #469 BigPapa
See BigPapa that's the problem I mentioned to Mandy in my #501 above.
If it is indeed a PUBLIC protest, demonstration or assembly how can you legally exclude those people (and I use the term "people" loosely here)? The fact is you can't.
The right can't lgeally exclude wierdos and neither can the left froma Public protest.
| 573 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:51:57pm |
re: #556 albusteve
this is exciting...I've never sold my bananas before...hope I don't blow it...any fruit brokers out there?
| 574 |
Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:52:10pm |
re: #565 avanti
I can't believe you are actually discussing it. The world will condemn the coup, while cheering the result privately.
One would think, but I'm not so sure. Sad part? We simply do not know where Obama really stands. He's way too chummy with Hugo and the Castros.
[good name for a band? "Hugo and the Castros"?]
| 575 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:53:05pm |
re: #569 JohnAdams
Well, the people drinking lattes and reading the NYT so civilly at your neighborhood coffee shop are currently destroying the country. The uber-right wing loons are generally isolated.
And I think it's a good idea to keep them isolated. Which means I will not lend my presence to an event where that particular agenda is promoted.
| 576 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:53:09pm |
re: #546 Racer X
Images of what's going on in Honduras.
Good pics. Number 31 has a good view of what appears to be a Model 92 Berreta. Interesting mix of finish on it.
| 577 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:53:17pm |
re: #570 reine.de.tout
Yes, absolutely.
the larger events have speakers lined up, etc., and so little chance that I (or TFK) would be able to contribute.
True this.
| 578 |
jaunte Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:53:26pm |
re: #570 reine.de.tout
Yes, absolutely.
the larger events have speakers lined up, etc., and so little chance that I (or TFK) would be able to contribute.
The issue now is getting like-minded fiscally conservative people together, out from under the radicals (isolationists, racists) who have already organized.
| 579 |
JohnAdams Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:53:41pm |
re: #560 Idle Drifter
Dude, I think alegrias was being sarcastic.
I considered that possibility. I hope so, if so I apologize to algerias. I'm all hopped up tonight and should probably go to bed!
| 580 |
DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:55:00pm |
re: #541 NY Nana
Here is part of it....*sigh*
[Video]
I didn't know anyone could be elected president and not love america. BTW, my son is named Sawyer. We liked the name because it reminded us of Tom Sawyer.
| 581 |
MJ Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:55:22pm |
From an Op-Ed piece in yesterday's WaPo:
..In recent weeks, courageous Iranians have been writing, tweeting, text-messaging and telephoning the outside world with an almost universal message: Please bear witness, please stand with us. One Iranian demonstrator e-mailed me: "Where are the American actors, the writers, the university professors, the intellectuals?" I would add to this patriot's list: Where are the labor unions, teachers unions, science academies, university students and ordinary Americans from all walks of life who took to U.S. streets last year to back an unlikely presidential candidate whose motto of hope and change is mirrored by Iranians half a world away? The key difference between them? Iranians are facing guns and violence as they wage their struggle for a democratic future....
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
| 582 |
Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:55:24pm |
re: #546 Racer X
Images of what's going on in Honduras.
The political spin in those images is plain as day btw. Obvious which side the media (Reuters and AP) is on.
| 584 |
itellu3times Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:55:32pm |
re: #529 subsailor68
Assuming I can accept the overall premise of your example, there is one assumption that I find a bit troubling:
Then the government disburses the money to pay for indigents, instead of a profit-seeking hospital deciding to do so.
Given the track record of AMTRAK, the post office, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, and just about every other example of government trying to show the private sector how to do things efficiently and effectively......
I'd probably go with the profit-seeking hospital - given that you've only offered those two options.
;-)
I know, Amtrak, Canada, ... but on the other hand, I have trouble believing the insurance companies are actually adding value.
Not saying it's easy, just want to move and try something. From what I've seen of our current system, if others are worse, that's plenty bad. I say there's a lot of room for improvement.
| 585 |
albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:55:42pm |
re: #573 RunningBare
heh...smart ass...I have a grove and I thought you may have been a grocer with a chain of markets in and around Topeka...I'm very disappointed, I was willing to make a deal
| 586 |
jaunte Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:55:48pm |
re: #546 Racer X
Images of what's going on in Honduras.
I see armed troops, not firing at rock-throwing protestors. That should tell us something about who is preserving the rule of law in that confrontation.
| 587 |
realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:56:34pm |
re: #484 subsailor68
Hey sub - it's not just you - there are probably 5 or 6 people I know who would prefer I get the treatment or medications I need that we pay Philo Crabgrass, Deputy Assistant, Under Secretary in Obama's "Medical Can't Do" Agency (MCDA).
But thank you for your support!
| 588 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:56:59pm |
re: #572 realwest
See BigPapa that's the problem I mentioned to Mandy in my #501 above.
If it is indeed a PUBLIC protest, demonstration or assembly how can you legally exclude those people (and I use the term "people" loosely here)? The fact is you can't.
The right can't lgeally exclude wierdos and neither can the left froma Public protest.
But we can keep them off the stage, and we should.
| 589 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:57:35pm |
re: #580 DistantThunder
I didn't know anyone could be elected president and not love america. BTW, my son is named Sawyer. We liked the name because it reminded us of Tom Sawyer.
Weird. I named my daughter "Injun Joe" for the same reason! Whoaaaaa.
| 591 |
KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:57:45pm |
re: #572 realwest
RW,
We don't need to 'legally exclude' Luapnians from showing up or cancel a rally if one shows up with a stupid sign. However, we should not go to any rally they promote or organize, and therefore any other person who values their own issue.
One or two can show up, but by all means they should be marginalized lest they taint the whole movement.
| 592 |
Eclectic Infidel Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:58:03pm |
re: #177 Walter L. Newton
If an event is a conservative event, and the MSM does not consider that event as "genuine," they you know that the event has meaning.
You contradict yourself all through your one comment. You call the events "isolated" and then call the events "large gatherings."
"Isolated?" What, isolated in over 30 cities and gatherings? Doesn't sound so isolated to me. The MSM all over the country presenting negative coverage, that's "isolated."
Really?
It doesn't really matter the size of the event. The point is that the events ARE isolated. The events don't appeal to the majority of Americans, and fringe elements are attracted to them like maggots to rotting meat.
Get rid of the fringe elements, get better organized and harness the power of positive networking within media outlets and things may change for the better for the tea parties. Till then, I suppose all one can do is blame it all on the "MSM."
And for the record, we, the activist Zionists here in the San Francisco Bay Area deal with this all the time. We are continually ignored and written off as right-wing extremists by our opponents. Local news coverage will gladly show footage of rallies for "Palestine" but will totally ignore our rallies. The process of recognition is slow, and we know that the media is biased, but though networking and organization, our message is starting to get through.
| 593 |
ShanghaiEd Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:58:15pm |
re: #563 DistantThunder
It's the word "demonstration" which is a big labor leftist word that has an entirely different connotation that the constitutional word "assembly." Church is an assembly, PTA meeting are an assembly - but they are not demonstrations. I think it's a way to get kids to eventually earn and accept these obnoxious leftist protests, like, for example, the frenzied acorn activists bussed to AIG executives' homes as legitimate. "Demonstration" is an leftist activist word.
Sorry, DT: I have to disagree that "peaceful demonstration" is ideological code in either direction, left or right.
My old Baptist church, each Sunday, asked for people who were interested in becoming a Christian or joining the church, to "step forward, as a demonstration of faith." And I guarantee you there was not a leftist within 50 miles of that place.
| 594 |
Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:58:25pm |
re: #582 Racer X
The political spin in those images is plain as day btw. Obvious which side the media (Reuters and AP) is on.
This one is the keeper:
Notice the references to CNN. One sign has:
Chavez
News
Network
Another has the White House symbol which symbolizes communist sympathizer Barack Obama.
This of course it the anti-Zalaya gathering.
| 595 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:58:28pm |
re: #559 avanti
Simple it was all a conspirancy laid out decades ago. He was admitted to Columbia and Harvard even though unqualified. His election to the law review was faked, as was his graduation with honors. All of this was done by leftists planning his election as POTUS some 25 years later, after Ayers wrote both his books. Worst of all, he was not a US citizen. /s
Nice sidestep.
But I've got a better one.
Obama told me so, it must be true.
/look,shiny shit
good night.
| 596 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:58:42pm |
re: #585 albusteve
heh...smart ass...I have a grove and I thought you may have been a grocer with a chain of markets in and around Topeka...I'm very disappointed, I was willing to make a deal
No, but I have a chain of Casino/Liquor Store/SmokeShop type things. :D
| 597 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:58:43pm |
re: #578 jaunte
The issue now is getting like-minded fiscally conservative people together, out from under the radicals (isolationists, racists) who have already organized.
I'm working on a local blog - well, statewide, to cover issues of interest to Louisiana conservatives, that would include a couple of very rational people that I know, and maybe me.
The problem I see is trying to gain readership (and thus influence).
| 598 |
albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:59:17pm |
re: #588 Dark_Falcon
But we can keep them off the stage, and we should.
use those obnoxious air horns to ruin their gig...but take your black jack with you and be prepared to brawl your way out...up to it?
| 599 |
Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:59:46pm |
The U.S. will never invade Honduras directly, but we're giving cover to Mr. doofus drug trafficker and he's planning on another "try and fly to the airport with an international entourage" again tomorrow, a regular Honduran Cynthia McKinney.
/we can stop this Zelaya charade at any time or we can continue to allow it to fester and break down into more violence, one dead already
| 600 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:59:52pm |
re: #591 BigPapa
RW,
We don't need to 'legally exclude' Luapnians from showing up or cancel a rally if one shows up with a stupid sign. However, we should not go to any rally they promote or organize, and therefore any other person who values their own issue.
One or two can show up, but by all means they should be marginalized lest they taint the whole movement.
exactly.
| 601 |
DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:00:42pm |
re: #554 JohnAdams
Fuck you. Straw man. Obama is an academic who never lived five minutes inside the shoes of real people, Sarah Palin included, for what its worth. He doesn't know shit.
Here's what I find confusing:
Palin has business experience running her own business.
She has executive experience, economic experience, military experience and foreign trade and policy experience. Russian missiles are pointed right at Alaska.
Obama has none of those qualifications - zero. Why is he a god, and she a putz?
| 602 |
Desert Dog Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:01:01pm |
re: #599 Killian Bundy
The U.S. will never invade Honduras directly, but we're giving cover to Mr. doofus drug trafficker and he's planning on another "try and fly to the airport with an international entourage" again tomorrow, a regular Honduran Cynthia McKinney.
/we can stop this Zelaya charade at any time or we can continue to allow it to fester and break down into more violence, one dead already
BBBBuuutttt, Hugo, Fidel, Raul, Daniel and Barack are all onboard the Zelaya Express
| 603 |
Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:01:04pm |
re: #599 Killian Bundy
The U.S. will never invade Honduras directly, but we're giving cover to Mr. doofus drug trafficker and he's planning on another "try and fly to the airport with an international entourage" again tomorrow, a regular Honduran Cynthia McKinney.
/we can stop this Zelaya charade at any time or we can continue to allow it to fester and break down into more violence, one dead already
Have you seen this image of Zelaya?
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Kind of looks like a drug lord to me.
| 604 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:01:15pm |
Just for the record, and this is something to think about whenever any candidate's educational background is attacked: Neither George Washington nor Abraham Lincoln had a formal education past elementary school level. (This does not count what they took it upon themselves to learn.)
| 605 |
jaunte Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:01:16pm |
re: #597 reine.de.tout
Let me know if I can help you with publicity materials.
| 606 |
itellu3times Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:01:18pm |
re: #583 Iron Fist
What you have there, my friend, is incompetent medical care.
I've seen hardly anything else in my first and second hand contacts with the health care system.
There is more technology there than the average practitioner can handle, I guess. Nor is there any kind of quality control. We see the same kind of idiocies in our own fields, but lives are not at stake.
Will Obamacare fix this, or make it worse? I dunno. But your kind of story is just why I am open to some kind of change, almost any kind of change.
| 607 |
jvic Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:01:19pm |
re: #494 itellu3times
...
I don't see anything in this but clever accounting, that falls well within what a Republican and conservative can support, and a realization that in this day and age, we're a rich country and can afford to spend a little (!) to streamline and improve health care for all.
You make it sound plausible. I'm not saying I'm convinced, I'm not saying I disagree. I haven't looked at the issue very much.
But there is one thing I wonder about. I keep reading about emerging biotechnologies which target treatments at the cellular level or below. Doubtless much of it is hype but not all of it is. When the health care system is already overburdened and pricey, what's the best way to bring that stuff into general use once it emerges from the lab?
I know one solution: privately funded research will continue, but the treatments will be offered in Asian clinics to which the rich will travel. That's not the solution I want.
| 608 |
reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:01:54pm |
| 609 |
mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:01:57pm |
re: #547 Killian Bundy
I kept trying to hit your karma plus sign, but it would only let me do it once. great post.
| 610 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:01:59pm |
re: #598 albusteve
use those obnoxious air horns to ruin their gig...but take your black jack with you and be prepared to brawl your way out...up to it?
GAZE
| 611 |
DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:02:02pm |
re: #571 redc1c4
it was a w*rkbook, where the pages, according to the original post, were to be turned in after the exercise was done.
that the pages were still there indicates the teacher skipped the lesson.
The larger point being therefor I got to see what the rest of the student throughout the country are exposed to in the material.
| 612 |
albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:02:26pm |
re: #596 RunningBare
No, but I have a chain of Casino/Liquor Store/SmokeShop type things. :D
the split business is tanking with the new Obamanomics...I may cross over to ganja next year...keep in touch tho
| 613 |
Racer X Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:02:49pm |
re: #601 DistantThunder
Here's what I find confusing:
Palin has business experience running her own business.
She has executive experience, economic experience, military experience and foreign trade and policy experience. Russian missiles are pointed right at Alaska.Obama has none of those qualifications - zero. Why is he a god, and she a putz?
He's Black.
There. I said it.
| 614 |
ShanghaiEd Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:02:50pm |
re: #569 JohnAdams
Well, the people drinking lattes and reading the NYT so civilly at your neighborhood coffee shop are currently destroying the country. The uber-right wing loons are generally isolated.
Devil's Advocate Mode: ON
But which group is currently shooting people?
Devil's Advocate Mode: OFF
| 615 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:03:02pm |
re: #590 NY Nana
{ Pvt bin Jammin }
{NY Nana} I'd jump up on the stage and tell the folks that it was a frigging Nazi group they were listening to. Sometimes it just boggles my mind that we still have these hateful folks in these United States of America.
| 616 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:03:17pm |
re: #594 Gus 802
This one is the keeper:
[Link: inapcache.boston.com...]
Notice the references to CNN. One sign has:
Chavez
News
NetworkAnother has the White House symbol which symbolizes communist sympathizer Barack Obama.
This of course it the anti-Zalaya gathering.
Loves it! Hopefully they are able to keep the leftist shitbird out of power.
| 618 |
redc1c4 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:03:57pm |
re: #601 DistantThunder
Here's what I find confusing:
Palin has business experience running her own business.
She has executive experience, economic experience, military experience and foreign trade and policy experience. Russian missiles are pointed right at Alaska.Obama has none of those qualifications - zero. Why is he a god, and she a putz?
nuance.....
| 619 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:04:02pm |
re: #612 albusteve
the split business is tanking with the new Obamanomics...I may cross over to ganja next year...keep in touch tho
My casino should be fine. Most americans suck at math. I mean, look at congress.
| 620 |
DistantThunder Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:04:24pm |
re: #583 Iron Fist
I went to the walk-in clinic for years for all kinds of things from deep splinters to the flu. For these type things it was sufficient. They even diagnosed my high blood pressure (though they missed my cholesterol). The big one they missed was my diabetes. I don't really know how long I've had it. When my feet began hurting me from the neuropathy, rather than diabetes they told me my shoes didn't fit me and that I shouldn't walk around bearfoot anymore.
We did a little pin-stick blood test and my sugar wasn't bad, but a more thorough blood test would have shown the damage that was already being done. It may not have mattered. My neuropathy was already well advanced, and there's no going back from that. But my sugars were, even then, getting into the extremely high range.
Of course, after four years of treating it with a whole pharmacopia of drugs (damn, I'm a junkie, but where's my high, man? :-) it is worse than ever. I've started working with an endocrinologist, and there are some promising signs for us to get my blood suger down (our target goal is an average of 160. That is still way high and severely diabetic, but it may be the best that we can do). At least all my main vital organs are working right now. That's an improvement over the spring :-)
The short version of this story is that under Obamacare I probably wouldn't be seeing the specialists, or even my regular GP, but some guy in a walk-in chop shop. That's fine if I need some stitches. Not so fine if I need to find out that I have cancer. Or a heart bypass, etc.
But then again, under Obamacare people with chronic, disabling diseases are going to be SOL unless they've got real money. But ours was, for all its flaws, the best health care in the world. Wherever you go your treatment is likely to be sub-standard by today's standards. This is the fruit of Obama. By their fruits you shall know them, someone once said.
MR DT was just diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. We have to wait 5 months for him to see an endocrinologist on the NJ state government plan which we are on because NJ so over-regulates insurance companies that our alumni insurance is offered in 48 states except Nj and NY. His blood sugars were 352.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:04:27pm |
re: #586 jaunte
I see armed troops, not firing at rock-throwing protestors. That should tell us something about who is preserving the rule of law in that confrontation.
They could have simply executed Zelaya.
/instead, they put him on a plane to live and make them rethink their choice another day
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kateca Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:04:33pm |
re: #526 realwest
I wonder how many other editors of Law Review have never been published? Any?
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jcm Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:05:27pm |
Evening Honocs!
Honduras Refuses Plane with Ousted President Zelaya
Honduran soldiers moved trucks and other equipment onto the runway as the plane carrying ousted President Zelaya approached the city. Air traffic controllers said the plane was not authorized to land and warned it would be intercepted if it tried to touch down
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:05:59pm |
re: #609 mrshankly01
I kept trying to hit your karma plus sign, but it would only let me do it once. great post.
/don't be fooled, I'm a troll, shitstiirer, but at least I'm not ashamed of who I voted for
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:06:02pm |
re: #613 Racer X
He's Black.
There. I said it.
Who, Obama? Black? Seriously? Weird. I always considered him just another privileged white guy...
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:06:10pm |
re: #601 DistantThunder
Here's what I find confusing:
Palin has business experience running her own business.
She has executive experience, economic experience, military experience and foreign trade and policy experience. Russian missiles are pointed right at Alaska.
Obama has none of those qualifications - zero. Why is he a god, and she a putz?
But can she see the missile silos from her house?
/Tina Fey mode off
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:06:28pm |
re: #530 albusteve
don't think so...you way over rate yourself...you said you've been reading this blog for several years but you don't seem to know anybody here...typical
You don't have to believe I've been reading here if you don't want to. You don't have to believe anything I say.
It's interesting though that you imagine you 'know' that I over-rate myself : a charge you've made before-- on what basis, I wonder? Seems to indicate *you* don't rate me highly, and you're offended that your opinion of me doesn't bother me.
But why should it bother me? I don't know you.
You also think you "know" how long I've been reading, and who I might know here--or not know.
That's a lot of assumptions.
Unlike you, I won't presume to say this is "typical" of you, because I know I only know your LGF persona. You're probably a nicer person than your persona sometimes makes you out to be.
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doubter4444 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:06:53pm |
re: #126 Dr. Shalit
alegrias -
CA is BROKE, NJ is BROKE, NY is BROKE! and perhaps another 10 - 12 states.
A REAL PRESIDENT - would put all of the above under Federal Recievership along the lines of NYC and "Big Mac" - quoting stuff written by Sec. Treasury HAMILTON, many years ago.
Of course - That would REQUIRE a REAL PRESIDENT.
Comments?-S-
Are you fucking joking?
That's one of the most idiodic comments I seen here in a long time.
You all call Obama a Commie and a Socalist and everything else inthe book, and NOW you are saying that he should put up to 20 states under receviorship?
WHAT THE FUCK?
Is no one reading these comments?
I mean, come on, you thing putting GM and the banks were not enough?
And now you are seriously suggesting that he do this? And that he's not a "Real Persident" for not doing so?
Fucking nuts.
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doubter4444 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:07:55pm |
Are you fucking joking?
That's one of the most idiotic comments I seen here in a long time.
You all call Obama a Commie and a Socialist and everything else in the book, and NOW you are saying that he should put up to 20 states under receivership?
WHAT THE FUCK?
Is no one reading these comments?
I mean, come on, you thing putting GM and the banks were not enough?
And now you are seriously suggesting that he do this? And that he's not a "Real President" for not doing so?
Fucking nuts.
Sorry, PIMF.
I hit the wrong button.
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:07:58pm |
re: #623 jcm
Evening Honocs!
Did he head back to Venezuela, Cuba, or Nicaragua?
Who knows, the way things are going he might be heading to Washington DC. /
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:08:05pm |
re: #621 Killian Bundy
They could have simply executed Zelaya.
/instead, they put him on a plane to live and make them rethink their choice another day
Agreed. Sometimes, the correct attitude is Stalin's: No man, no problem.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:08:05pm |
re: #615 Pvt Bin Jammin
{NY Nana} I'd jump up on the stage and tell the folks that it was a frigging Nazi group they were listening to. Sometimes it just boggles my mind that we still have these hateful folks in these United States of America.
I'm stunned, too, PBJ, when I come across these folks.
Where the 'eff do they come from?
What is their point?
What do they want to accomplish and WHY, fer cryin' out loud.
It's not sane or rational.
What it is, is just wrong.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:09:26pm |
re: #627 iceweasel
You don't have to believe I've been reading here if you don't want to. You don't have to believe anything I say.
It's interesting though that you imagine you 'know' that I over-rate myself : a charge you've made before-- on what basis, I wonder? Seems to indicate *you* don't rate me highly, and you're offended that your opinion of me doesn't bother me.
But why should it bother me? I don't know you.You also think you "know" how long I've been reading, and who I might know here--or not know.
That's a lot of assumptions.
Unlike you, I won't presume to say this is "typical" of you, because I know I only know your LGF persona. You're probably a nicer person than your persona sometimes makes you out to be.
you stated weeks ago how long you've been reading LGF...and I guarantee you Killian Bundy does not give a shit what you think about him...that's a factola you can take to the bank
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subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:09:44pm |
re: #584 itellu3times
I know, Amtrak, Canada, ... but on the other hand, I have trouble believing the insurance companies are actually adding value.
Not saying it's easy, just want to move and try something. From what I've seen of our current system, if others are worse, that's plenty bad. I say there's a lot of room for improvement.
Hi itellu3! I'm with ya my friend. Of course there's always room for improvement, and I'll tell you honestly, I'm not smart enough to come up with a great solution.
I posted a few days ago about our little town here in the Texas Hill Country. Two brothers (almost 60 years ago) - big ranchers here, built a hospital to make sure they didn't have to take their dad 70 miles to San Antonio. The charter for the hospital they built included a provision that no one could be turned away because they couldn't pay.
Years later, a Catholic nun raised the funds (supported by the whole community) to build and operate a clinic here that provides care - including preventive care - for anyone who needs it. In doing so, she relieved the backlog at the emergency room at the hospital.
Bottom line is that nobody in our town (or in the rural areas around it) goes without quality healthcare.
Maybe the answer is in this kind of dedication on the part of folks like those two brothers and that wonderful nun.
Don't know, but it sure seems better than a federal bureaucracy.
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:09:47pm |
re: #629 doubter4444
Are you fucking joking?
That's one of the most idiotic comments I seen here in a long time.
You all call Obama a Commie and a Socialist and everything else in the book, and NOW you are saying that he should put up to 20 states under receivership?
WHAT THE FUCK?
Is no one reading these comments?
I mean, come on, you thing putting GM and the banks were not enough?
And now you are seriously suggesting that he do this? And that he's not a "Real President" for not doing so?
Fucking nuts.Sorry, PIMF.
I hit the wrong button.
Are you fucking joking?
That's one of the most idiotic comments I seen here in a long time.
You all call Obama a Commie and a Socialist and everything else in the book, and NOW you are saying that he should put up to 20 states under receivership?
WHAT THE FUCK?
Is no one reading these comments?
I mean, come on, you thing putting GM and the banks were not enough?
And now you are seriously suggesting that he do this? And that he's not a "Real President" for not doing so?
Fucking nuts.
Third time's a charm, I always say :)
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:10:26pm |
re: #494 itellu3times
I understand what you are saying. However your "The money is in the hospital already. Guy gets an MRI, real cost is about $100, they list it at $1000," may be true NOW but it wasn't when MRI's were first invented and then perfected - as far as they go. It cost BIG BUCKS for the medical and technological research to come up with an MRI. So some of that "overcharging" is really going to reimburse someone - and give them no doubt a tidy profit too - for doing the R&D to develop, manufacture and train technicians to operate MRI's.
This is no where better evidenced in the treatment for and research into the treatment for all forms of cancer, for example. BILLIONS and BILLIONS have been spent looking for cures for all the various and sundry forms of cancer that there are - and no, few of them respond well to the treatment that others respond well to. I think we all tend to overlook or take for granted (except when it's OUR life or the life of someone especially close to us) all of the medical advances that have been made in just the last decade or so and all of that costs a LOT of money.
However, I for one, cannot fathom why pharmaceutical companies spend twice as much on advertising prescription drugs ON TV than they do on R&D. Moreover, I suspect that if we were to cap the amount plaintiffs (and their trial lawyers) can get, we could greatly reduce the cost of Medical Malpractice insurance. If we were to CONSOLIDATE research into various diseases, I rather strongly suspect that there would be HUGE savings on R&D.
But I do know that if the government runs health care in anyway like the way they run VA health care, we will spend enormous amounts of money purely on Federal (and of course State) bureaucracy.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:11:07pm |
re: #582 Racer X
The political spin in those images is plain as day btw. Obvious which side the media (Reuters and AP) is on.
I've noticed many of the soldier do not have loaded weapons despite the "At gun point" captions. The Pro-Zelaya protestors are smaller in number and more violent than the Counter-Zelaya protestors who were carrying their national flag and colors in great numbers. There was a picture of one soldier firing his weapon but a what and for what reason was only left up to the caption which stated were Zelaya supporters.
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JohnAdams Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:11:56pm |
re: #601 DistantThunder
Here's what I find confusing:
Palin has business experience running her own business.
She has executive experience, economic experience, military experience and foreign trade and policy experience. Russian missiles are pointed right at Alaska.Obama has none of those qualifications - zero. Why is he a god, and she a putz?
He isn't and she ain't. You have a brain. Many of your fellow citzens do not. Share your knowledge.
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doubter4444 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:12:12pm |
LOL! I suck at typing!
Spell check is my friend, but she is fickle.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:12:14pm |
re: #607 jvic
Exactly, great post. That's my big worry, and I rarely see it addressed in these discussions.
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:12:49pm |
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jcm Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:13:03pm |
re: #630 Gus 802
Did he head back to Venezuela, Cuba, or Nicaragua?
Who knows, the way things are going he might be heading to Washington DC. /
Did he have enough gas too get back....?
Went to San Salvador
Officials say that if Mr. Zelaya returns to the country, he will be arrested to face 18 charges, including treason and abuse of power.
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:13:15pm |
Too bad they didn't ship Zelaya out on an AirBus...
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bobbuck Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:13:48pm |
re: #415 MandyManners
Does it not bother you that racists and nuts are showing up?
The tax day Tea Parties had around half a million to a million protesters. These were mostly normal people who were at the first protest of their lives. They were protesting the spending of a federal government that is spending around $15 per hour worked in this country by private workers (averaged). You want to label all of them as moonbats because a percentage of them--a MUCH smaller percentage than the general public--was allegedly racist? Alleged racists who clapped and cheered for a Pakistani immigrant who told the crowd about the blessings and opportunities of America? Are you serious?
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:15:17pm |
re: #645 RunningBare
Too bad they didn't ship Zelaya out on an AirBus...
/never get me on one of them things if I have a choice to fly Boeing
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itellu3times Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:15:17pm |
re: #607 jvic
You make it sound plausible. I'm not saying I'm convinced, I'm not saying I disagree. I haven't looked at the issue very much.
But there is one thing I wonder about. I keep reading about emerging biotechnologies which target treatments at the cellular level or below. Doubtless much of it is hype but not all of it is. When the health care system is already overburdened and pricey, what's the best way to bring that stuff into general use once it emerges from the lab?
I know one solution: privately funded research will continue, but the treatments will be offered in Asian clinics to which the rich will travel. That's not the solution I want.
What I want is a "safety net" with private enterprise offering alternatives.
These new technologies are still decades away, and you may not want to volunteer to be the first for most of them, unless you're already at death's door.
There's a basic problem, which is that good care is expensive, for diagnostic machines, for well-trained people, with a low-enough case load they can actually treat you, for facilities, for leading-edge drugs that cost a billion dollars to shephard through FDA approval, even if only pennies to manufacture.
The horrors I saw with my father's passing just a year ago, with what passes for good care at a good hospital, are almost beyond belief. My own care for some chronic and acute conditions over the years, again with what pass for at least average doctors, are hardly better. The systems suck. I don't really blame the physicians, I can't, when they ALL seem to be like that. If they had time, I think, they'd do better. Maybe. My cousin is a very experienced nurse, I hear some stories from her, and what I hear are the attitudes, the guidelines. Sure, medicine is not an exact science, and everybody dies, but you can hide a lot of crap under those valid excuses, and the doctors can fool themselves into thinking that's just how things have to be.
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pat Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:15:27pm |
Haven't seen any fucking puppets or stilt people in the tea party pics. That is a good sign.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:16:14pm |
re: #637 realwest
That's a point a lot of people miss: They'll say but this phone cost only $100 dollars to make and you're selling it for $150." That may be true, but they forget about the R&D costs and transportation. It drives me crazy how short sighted people often are.
| 652 |
Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:16:23pm |
re: #643 jcm
Did he have enough gas too get back....?
Went to San SalvadorOfficials say that if Mr. Zelaya returns to the country, he will be arrested to face 18 charges, including treason and abuse of power.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:16:35pm |
re: #633 albusteve
you stated weeks ago how long you've been reading LGF...and I guarantee you Killian Bundy does not give a shit what you think about him...that's a factola you can take to the bank
Well, some do like factolas better than facts.
In this economy, it's no surprise the banks are now taking factolas as currency.
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:16:36pm |
re: #648 Killian Bundy
/never get me on one of them things if I have a choice to fly Boeing
I hear ya. Flew an Airbus once outta Seattle... when it was taking off, I swear there was a noice coming from the plane that sounded like the Phantom of the Opera hopped up on crank playing a pipe organ... *SHUDDER*
| 655 |
avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:16:44pm |
re: #622 kateca
I wonder how many other editors of Law Review have never been published? Any?
I don't get the obsession with Obama's education ? Does the right hate him so much that they assume he must have sucked at Harvard and Columbia ? I saw more attention to Obama's graduation with honors from Harvard with a law degree, then picking on Palin for taking six years to get a journalism degree. No one asked for her or McCain transcripts or cared how they did it college. Obama had the wrote two books that let the voters know about his politics, he was open about his early drug use and the rest, and still won. It's time to judge his performance in office and stop obsessing about how he was elected IMHO.
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subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:17:53pm |
One thought to leave everyone with:
My oldest friend was diagnosed with cancer about 15 years ago. His doctor told him to go directly to M.D. Anderson in Houston, because my friend didn't have a whole lot of time left. He did.
He's still with us, and in remission still.
The point is, while he was going to M.D. (and I drove him many times) we noticed that the other patients seemed to come from countries including Britain, Canada, Ireland, mainland Europe, and the Middle East.
Thank you M.D. Anderson, and to those who favor a 'single payer', 'universal health care' system, or whatever other euphemism you choose to apply, please understand that without the - however flawed - system we have here, M.D. Anderson would probably not exist, and my friend would not have been here last night to have a hamburger, a beer, and to bitch about how our fireworks aren't as great as they used to be!
;-)
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:18:11pm |
re: #559 avanti
Simple it was all a conspirancy laid out decades ago. He was admitted to Columbia and Harvard even though unqualified. His election to the law review was faked, as was his graduation with honors. All of this was done by leftists planning his election as POTUS some 25 years later, after Ayers wrote both his books. Worst of all, he was not a US citizen. /s
Cute, just like your crayons remark. But they are legitimate questions that were never asked of him.
Why do you think that is?
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:18:12pm |
re: #653 iceweasel
Well, some do like factolas better than facts.
In this economy, it's no surprise the banks are now taking factolas as currency.
exactly...the Bank of LGF
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:18:42pm |
re: #652 Gus 802
Oh wow. The FMLN. There's a blast from the past. Good god, I hope the Shining Path shows up, too... I miss those guys.
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ShanghaiEd Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:19:48pm |
re: #544 DistantThunder
DT: You're absolutely correct, and I hope you'll note my apology to that effect in #557.
I totally missed your point and responded like a dork. In the future I'll try to avoid pre-judging without basis.
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:19:50pm |
re: #659 RunningBare
Oh wow. The FMLN. There's a blast from the past. Good god, I hope the Shining Path shows up, too... I miss those guys.
Yep, here's another one with one guy wearing a Che/Cuba shirt.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
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itellu3times Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:19:50pm |
So then, let the Republican party take these examples of good care and generalize them so more can partake.
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jcm Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:19:53pm |
re: #659 RunningBare
Oh wow. The FMLN. There's a blast from the past. Good god, I hope the Shining Path shows up, too... I miss those guys.
Those SOB's show up supporting one side, you know who is the commie bastard for sure.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:20:04pm |
re: #632 reine.de.tout
I'm stunned, too, PBJ, when I come across these folks.
Where the 'eff do they come from?
What is their point?
What do they want to accomplish and WHY, fer cryin' out loud.
It's not sane or rational.
What it is, is just wrong.
I keep thinking about those folks in the movie "Deliverance" but in actuality it must be a much bigger thing. I am so white my hubby says we need bright colored sheets just so he can find me, LOL, but one of my greatest joys is in meeting and knowing folks of different colors and creeds.
| 666 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:20:12pm |
| 667 |
Vicious Babushka Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:20:26pm |
Hi Lizards. I am back from Canada where I spent the weekend without a computer.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:20:28pm |
re: #633 albusteve
Killian Bundy does not give a shit what you think about him...that's a factola you can take to the bank
/yeah, that's right, thanks, although I prefer to defend myself, especially against McCain Obama voters
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:20:46pm |
re: #655 avanti
I don't get the obsession with Obama's education ? Does the right hate him so much that they assume he must have sucked at Harvard and Columbia ? I saw more attention to Obama's graduation with honors from Harvard with a law degree, then picking on Palin for taking six years to get a journalism degree. No one asked for her or McCain transcripts or cared how they did it college. Obama had the wrote two books that let the voters know about his politics, he was open about his early drug use and the rest, and still won. It's time to judge his performance in office and stop obsessing about how he was elected IMHO.
I don't either...why do you suppose he does not come clean to all the millions of people that care about these issues?...you'd think the POTUS would be proud of his education rather than swath it in mystery...what's he doing in there?
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jaunte Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:21:05pm |
re: #656 subsailor68
Thank you M.D. Anderson, and to those who favor a 'single payer', 'universal health care' system, or whatever other euphemism you choose to apply, please understand that without the - however flawed - system we have here, M.D. Anderson would probably not exist, and my friend would not have been here last night to have a hamburger, a beer, and to bitch about how our fireworks aren't as great as they used to be!;-)
Hear hear. I'm also a former patient of M. D. Anderson.
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:21:17pm |
re: #664 jcm
Those SOB's show up supporting one side, you know who is the commie bastard for sure.
I usually just wait for Jimmah Carter to show up, but the FMLN will do in a pinch.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:21:53pm |
re: #668 Killian Bundy
/yeah, that's right, thanks, although I prefer to defend myself, especially against
McCainObama voters
I know...I get pissy sometimes...I prefer to be my jolly self but you know how it goes
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:22:32pm |
re: #574 Racer X
See that's the part I don't understand, the Coup part of it. Within 24 hours of his being forced to leave by the military, on orders from the Honduran Supreme Court, a civilian - the president of the Honduran Congress, was acting as temporary President to finish out the six months remaining on Zelaya's term.
It was NOT a coup.
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:22:34pm |
re: #662 Gus 802
Yep, here's another one with one guy wearing a Che/Cuba shirt.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Ok, so you have a picture of Seattle. What does that have to do with Zelaya? ;)
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:23:15pm |
re: #666 Dark_Falcon
Commie bastards. I hate Reds.
Ditto.
Here's some FMLN communist assholes in Los Angeles:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
and here:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
From July 1st.
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:23:50pm |
re: #674 RunningBare
Ok, so you have a picture of Seattle. What does that have to do with Zelaya? ;)
Seattle?
=]
//Not enough white liberals.
//
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subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:23:56pm |
re: #670 jaunte
Hear hear. I'm also a former patient of M. D. Anderson.
Hi jaunte! I'm so very, very glad that you're here, and to the extent that M.D helped that happen - God bless the doctors, the staff, and everyone who contributes to keeping it going!
(Hope you also had a burger and a beer, and that your fireworks were terrific!)
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jcm Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:24:01pm |
re: #674 RunningBare
Ok, so you have a picture of Seattle. What does that have to do with Zelaya? ;)
Not all of us in Seattle have Che shirts...
;-)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:24:02pm |
re: #659 RunningBare
Oh wow. The FMLN. There's a blast from the past. Good god, I hope the Shining Path shows up, too... I miss those guys.
If we're going to have all these 80's flashbacks, I'm going to set the soundtrack:
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:24:03pm |
Hey Night Lizards! It was actually kinda nice today in Near Iowa.
I don't think anybody famous died today. I could be wrong.
How are you-all and what are we talking about?
| 681 |
Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:24:13pm |
re: #655 avanti
I don't get the obsession with Obama's education ?
Seriously, who writes their autobiography in their twenties?
/WTF?
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:24:14pm |
re: #673 realwest
See that's the part I don't understand, the Coup part of it. Within 24 hours of his being forced to leave by the military, on orders from the Honduran Supreme Court, a civilian - the president of the Honduran Congress, was acting as temporary President to finish out the six months remaining on Zelaya's term.
It was NOT a coup.
BO won...it's a coup
| 683 |
pat Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:24:42pm |
I think the problem educated people have with Obama's education is that it is obvious he has learned nothing. He is the Affirmative Action Endgame. The Moron In Chief.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:24:49pm |
re: #679 Dark_Falcon
If we're going to have all these 80's flashbacks, I'm going to set the soundtrack:
[Video]
Can we just leave the '80's out of it? I don't remember much of it anyway.
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:25:25pm |
re: #681 Killian Bundy
Seriously, who writes their autobiography in their twenties?
/WTF?
A pot smoking narcissist.
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jaunte Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:25:41pm |
re: #677 subsailor68
Thanks, and I did, and they were! Good on you for mentioning M.D. Anderson; they really do it right over there.
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:25:52pm |
re: #678 jcm
Not all of us in Seattle have Che shirts...
;-)
I have one. Except, he's got a cricle slash though him, and it reads "Commies Ain't Cool". I like to wear it to the college I work at on occasion. ;)
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:26:09pm |
re: #657 realwest
Cute, just like your crayons remark. But they are legitimate questions that were never asked of him.
Why do you think that is?
Like the nirther issue, it keeps the right amused with trivial issues that make it look petty, while they get steam rolled on policy.
The more the left can paint the right as obsessed with silly issues and the party of no, the more you empower the left. Do you truly believe Harvard faked his honors, and if so, why ? More importantly, why suspect that they did ?
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JohnAdams Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:26:10pm |
re: #683 pat
I think the problem educated people have with Obama's education is that it is obvious he has learned nothing. He is the Affirmative Action Endgame. The Moron In Chief.
He's so much smarter than you, you don't even realize it.
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subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:27:12pm |
re: #681 Killian Bundy
Seriously, who writes their autobiography in their twenties?
/WTF?
Good point! There is only one person I can think of who had a legitimate reason to document a life - even earlier:
Anne Frank.
Everyone else should probably hold off a few years.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:27:16pm |
re: #679 Dark_Falcon
why did you do that?...I thought we were friends?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:27:18pm |
re: #655 avanti
I don't get the obsession with Obama's education ? Does the right hate him so much that they assume he must have sucked at Harvard and Columbia ? I saw more attention to Obama's graduation with honors from Harvard with a law degree, then picking on Palin for taking six years to get a journalism degree. No one asked for her or McCain transcripts or cared how they did it college. Obama had the wrote two books that let the voters know about his politics, he was open about his early drug use and the rest, and still won. It's time to judge his performance in office and stop obsessing about how he was elected IMHO.
I truly could give a rats ass what his grades were, as long as they were decent. It's the possible connections to groups like the SDS that I would be interested in and IIRC his first speech at Occidental was at an SDS gathering.
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MJ Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:27:20pm |
re: #684 Iron Fist
352 is high enough to raise concerns. Has his regular doctor put him on anything? He could prescribe him Metformin (Glucophage). That helps lower a person's resistance to insulin (my diabetes is almost 100% insulin resistence, although right now I also dose myself with ungodly strong insulin). That plus excercize and diet could be sufficient to bring your husband's sugars down. Excercize is really important. It naturally lowers your resistance to insulin, and diet is critical. I'm really struggling with my diet right now, but if he could go on a resonable diet it would help. I've known people with type 2 that simply modified their diet and redoubled their efforts at excercizing.
There are a lot of resources on the web. I'm sorry I don't have a link for you, but it is late. My girlfriend did a lot of research on it when I was first diagnosed, but I don't have the links handy and she is asleep.
My best wishes and prayers are there for you and your husband. I hope he has a speedy recovery and tames this monster easily.
Iron,
What's your A1C?
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jcm Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:27:32pm |
re: #673 realwest
See that's the part I don't understand, the Coup part of it. Within 24 hours of his being forced to leave by the military, on orders from the Honduran Supreme Court, a civilian - the president of the Honduran Congress, was acting as temporary President to finish out the six months remaining on Zelaya's term.
It was NOT a coup.
Both the Supreme Court and the Parliament agreed Zelaya was in violation of their Constitution and ordered his removal.
The equivalent here would be Impeachment in the House, and conviction in the Senate. Since we've never gone that far here, if the removed President refused to leave I think the USSS would remove the person who was no longer President and pitch him out on to Pennsylvanian Ave.
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jaunte Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:27:34pm |
Don't get tempted to talk about Obama's past. His present and future are bad enough.
Goodnight all.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:27:50pm |
re: #685 ggt
Can we just leave the '80's out of it? I don't remember much of it anyway.
Nope, I like the music too much.
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GGMac Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:28:08pm |
re: #435 Gus 802
That little lapel pin - the Red Star - is just like the one Obama's neighbor Bernardine Dorn wears on her lapel. It's also just like the one that adorns Obama's neighbor Bill Ayers' web site.
Isn't that sweet?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:28:41pm |
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pat Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:28:51pm |
re: #690 JohnAdams
I knew there was a reason I couldn't understand him!
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:29:20pm |
re: #689 avanti
Like the nirther issue, it keeps the right amused with trivial issues that make it look petty, while they get steam rolled on policy.
The more the left can paint the right as obsessed with silly issues and the party of no, the more you empower the left. Do you truly believe Harvard faked his honors, and if so, why ? More importantly, why suspect that they did ?
the education of the POTUS is a silly issue?....where can I get one of those big red rubber noses?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:29:25pm |
re: #692 albusteve
why did you do that?...I thought we were friends?
Do what? I posted some songs I like. If you mean the gaze from before, you may consider that retracted.
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:29:40pm |
re: #698 GGMac
That little lapel pin - the Red Star - is just like the one Obama's neighbor Bernardine Dorn wears on her lapel. It's also just like the one that adorns Obama's neighbor Bill Ayers' web site.
Isn't that sweet?
Fitting isn't it? :)
//Alinsky student.
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:29:42pm |
re: #678 jcm
Not all of us in Seattle have Che shirts...
;-)
I have one, but the caption says, "COMMIES AREN'T COOL."
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:30:07pm |
re: #699 ggt
Are you serious? Duran Duran?
You obviously never saw the uncut video of Girls on Film...
/ToplessMudWrastlin
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:30:09pm |
re: #701 Iron Fist
Goodnight, everyone. I'm about to drop over here. That is, as ex-convict Martha Stewart says, a good thing :-)
'Nite. Take care.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:30:16pm |
re: #699 ggt
Are you serious? Duran Duran?
Not them, but others. Try the Eddie Money song, its on of my favorites.
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JohnAdams Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:30:21pm |
re: #700 pat
I knew there was a reason I couldn't understand him!
Sheeple don't need to understand. Just follow. He's so magnificent!
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:31:11pm |
re: #703 Dark_Falcon
Do what? I posted some songs I like. If you mean the gaze from before, you may consider that retracted.
no... it was the music...I'm crushed...
jus kidding
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:31:20pm |
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:31:25pm |
re: #588 Dark_Falcon
Well I certainly agree that "we" should keep them off the stage, but - judges being judges and all - how do we do that if the group(s) they represent are legal (e.g., the Communist Party and the Nazi Party are both LEGAL organizations). Again I'm talking about PUBLIC demonstrations. Perhaps what we need are demonstrations widely advertised as not open to Nazi's (Neo or the old fashioned kind); Paulistas; Truthers and like minded people. But I suspect, again, that Judges will say they cannot be excluded from PUBLIC events. So we'll have to make these private demonstrations and thereby greatly reduce the number of good people who will attend.
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:31:56pm |
re: #705 capitalist piglet
I have one, but the caption says, "COMMIES AREN'T COOL."
Hey! Me too!
Oh... wait... you bought me mine... YAY ME!
(I just remembered - one of the band names I came up with back in the 80s, and the other guys rejected it, was "Che's Hands" )
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:33:16pm |
re: #688 RunningBare
I have one. Except, he's got a cricle slash though him, and it reads "Commies Ain't Cool". I like to wear it to the college I work at on occasion. ;)
We have the same shirt!
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SecondComing Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:33:24pm |
I've seen this floating around Facebook. Googled it and found a link. Here it is for what it's worth. I thought most of this was common knowledge dispite what's coming out of the White House and major outlets.
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KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:33:40pm |
re: #712 Gus 802
Isn't that ironic: a 'Stop the coup d'etat' sign, right in front of a Che' likeness, who was part of one successful and one attempted coup. I'd love to ask that question of the sign holder with the tape rolling.
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JohnAdams Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:34:37pm |
re: #688 RunningBare
I have one. Except, he's got a cricle slash though him, and it reads "Commies Ain't Cool". I like to wear it to the college I work at on occasion. ;)
You must be real popular around that campus. Welcome, hatchling.
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subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:34:41pm |
Oh great. It looks like Obama's first volume of his autobiography was such a success that his agent has negotiated an advance for a pre-quel. It covers his earliest years. From what I hear it's tentatively titled:
A Womb With a View.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:35:10pm |
re: #719 subsailor68
Oh great. It looks like Obama's first volume of his autobiography was such a success that his agent has negotiated an advance for a pre-quel. It covers his earliest years. From what I hear it's tentatively titled:
A Womb With a View.
2pts
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:35:28pm |
re: #681 Killian Bundy
Seriously, who writes their autobiography in their twenties?
/WTF?
It was not a autobigraphy in the strict sense : "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance is a memoir by Barack Obama. It was first published in 1995 after Obama was elected the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, but before his political career began. "
Again, I see some suggestions of a grand conspirancy, but I can't follow it.
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:35:33pm |
re: #717 BigPapa
Isn't that ironic: a 'Stop the coup d'etat' sign, right in front of a Che' likeness, who was part of one successful and one attempted coup. I'd love to ask that question of the sign holder with the tape rolling.
To the ignorant Che is a symbol of democracy. There is never a shortage of ignorant people.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:35:57pm |
re: #714 RunningBare
Hey! Me too!
Oh... wait... you bought me mine... YAY ME!
(I just remembered - one of the band names I came up with back in the 80s, and the other guys rejected it, was "Che's Hands" )
I once suggested "Trotsky's Icepick" as a name for a band, only to learn via the Lizardoid overmind that not one, but several, bands have used that and very similar names over the years.
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:36:06pm |
re: #591 BigPapa
RW,
We don't need to 'legally exclude' Luapnians from showing up or cancel a rally if one shows up with a stupid sign. However, we should not go to any rally they promote or organize, and therefore any other person who values their own issue.
One or two can show up, but by all means they should be marginalized lest they taint the whole movement.
Couldn't agree with you more. Except to ADD that whenever they promote or organize a rally, we ought to organize and promote a counter-rally or protest. Of course, only the Right needs to do this; the Left can have anarchists, communists, La Reza's etc. etc. and NO ONE will call the Left on the participation of those groups. It pisses me off, but you are correct that we need to marginalize these folks and I think COUNTER protests might be a fast way to do so.
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JohnAdams Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:36:13pm |
re: #717 BigPapa
Isn't that ironic: a 'Stop the coup d'etat' sign, right in front of a Che' likeness, who was part of one successful and one attempted coup. I'd love to ask that question of the sign holder with the tape rolling.
These are fucking communists we're dealing with here. I think I can literally smell 'em.
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:36:24pm |
re: #718 JohnAdams
You must be real popular around that campus. Welcome, hatchling.
Oh, I am. Cuz, I look like a hippie. Well, ok, the hippies look like ME, but you get my point. The few conservative members of the faculty and I now have our own organized emal list. :)
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:36:30pm |
Right this second, the U.S. market futures are decidedly not good.
/and the volume will start to come back today, fortunately, there isn't a whole lot of institutional trading this time of night
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JohnAdams Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:37:01pm |
re: #719 subsailor68
Oh great. It looks like Obama's first volume of his autobiography was such a success that his agent has negotiated an advance for a pre-quel. It covers his earliest years. From what I hear it's tentatively titled:
A Womb With a View.
Was she pro-choice?
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KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:37:33pm |
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:37:38pm |
re: #690 JohnAdams
He's so much smarter than you, you don't even realize it.
I think, if we were to see his college transcripts, it might damage his image as the smartest man ever to put his feet up on the desk in the Oval Office.
Who didn't assume Al Gore got better grades than GWB?
The media will protect that meme like it's the Holy Grail.
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pat Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:37:47pm |
Everybody Wants To Rule The World
"I cant stand this indecision
Married with a lack of vision
Everybody wants to rule the world
Say that youll never never never never need it
One headline why believe it ?
Everybody wants to rule the world"
Take your time with the video. It is what you are living. The tongue in cheek aspect of the concept is lost on Washington.
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:38:02pm |
re: #725 Shiplord Kirel
I once suggested "Trotsky's Icepick" as a name for a band, only to learn via the Lizardoid overmind that not one, but several, bands have used that and very similar names over the years.
Damn, too bad! That would be an awesome name!
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:38:03pm |
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:38:06pm |
re: #723 avanti
It was not a autobigraphy in the strict sense : "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance is a memoir by Barack Obama. It was first published in 1995 after Obama was elected the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, but before his political career began. "
Again, I see some suggestions of a grand conspirancy, but I can't follow it.
there is no conspiricy...so where can I pick up your notautobiography?...I'm interested in your relationship with your mother
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:38:59pm |
re: #725 Shiplord Kirel
I once suggested "Trotsky's Icepick" as a name for a band, only to learn via the Lizardoid overmind that not one, but several, bands have used that and very similar names over the years.
Nothing to do with politics but during a long rainy season my hubby and I came up with this band name "Al Nino and The Tropical Depressions".
It's corny, I know.
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NY Nana Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:39:19pm |
re: #580 DistantThunder
I didn't know anyone could be elected president and not love america. BTW, my son is named Sawyer. We liked the name because it reminded us of Tom Sawyer.
Remember the words of The One's false idol, the Rev. Wrong Wright?
There is just no way that after being a member of his church for about 20 years that he could not have heard that, in addition to the other sh*t that spewed out of his mouth.
BTW, the Obamas have not found a church to join yet, nearly 6 months into his dictatorship.
Got to go to sleep, or at least try!
G'nite, Lizards, sweet dreams!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:40:14pm |
I think one of the most chilling things I've ever read is Eleni by Nicholas Gage.. The author is an investigative journalist in the US who returns to Greece to find out how his mother actually died. The book is a testament to the insidiousness of the socialist movement.
I think what sticks with me the most is an experience the author has towards the end of his journey. Students solicit him with socialist literature and when he explains the facts, they laugh at him. They know better.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:40:36pm |
re: #708 Dark_Falcon
Not them, but others. Try the Eddie Money song, its on of my favorites.
Ok, I like Eddy Money
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avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:40:46pm |
re: #693 Pvt Bin Jammin
I truly could give a rats ass what his grades were, as long as they were decent. It's the possible connections to groups like the SDS that I would be interested in and IIRC his first speech at Occidental was at an SDS gathering.
That at least makes sense, in his book he admits toying with some pretty radical groups, so that issue is more relevant than conspiracy theories about his honors degree.
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IslandLibertarian Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:40:59pm |
he was open about his early drug use and the rest, and still won. It's time to judge his performance in office and stop obsessing about how he was elected IMHO.
No obsession about a "pop star" getting elected. The majority was bedazzled.
You bet I'm judging him on his performance.
So far, D+.
Your "0" is a disaster.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:41:08pm |
I'm an outski icepick...
rock on brothers and sisters
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:41:27pm |
re: #738 NY Nana
Remember the words of The One's false idol, the Rev.
WrongWright?There is just no way that after being a member of his church for about 20 years that he could not have heard that, in addition to the other sh*t that spewed out of his mouth.
BTW, the Obamas have not found a church to join yet, nearly 6 months into his dictatorship.
Got to go to sleep, or at least try!
G'nite, Lizards, sweet dreams!
G'nite Nana. I am not too far behind you. Have a great day manana.
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jcm Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:41:45pm |
re: #655 avanti
I don't get the obsession with Obama's education ? Does the right hate him so much that they assume he must have sucked at Harvard and Columbia ? I saw more attention to Obama's graduation with honors from Harvard with a law degree, then picking on Palin for taking six years to get a journalism degree. No one asked for her or McCain transcripts or cared how they did it college. Obama had the wrote two books that let the voters know about his politics, he was open about his early drug use and the rest, and still won. It's time to judge his performance in office and stop obsessing about how he was elected IMHO.
You're not the least bit curious who his professors and influences were at Columbia?
It's not his grades I'm interested in, it's who he studied under. Fine he graduated with honors, but where are any papers he authored to give insight into his thinking then? Not only are his transcripts and papers missing, so are his law firm records, so are his legislative records, and they tried to lock up the CAC papers.
As to his winning. HE WON is trite. Just because HE WON doesn't mean he gets to change the foundations of the country, he has laws he has to work within, not run over. HE WON is arrogant, he may the leader of the free world, but he is also the servant of the people and their security his is number one task.
He won because the media did not dig. Into his professors at school, his lack of paper trail, he's obvious statement contrary to the founding, traditions and laws of this country. He befitted from 8 years of media slander of GWB. He benefited from a majority of the people of this country have a mistaken belief our government is a democracy, and a pathetic lack of historical and civic knowledge, brought about by fellow travelers like Zinn and Ayers.
Historical he is doing exactly what caused the depression to run 7-10 years longer than it should of. Historically he's making the same mistakes that contributed to WWII.
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subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:41:54pm |
On the education thing, I did some writing for a guy who'd never made it past about the sixth grade. He worked his butt off learning the insurance business, built a company that he eventually sold to a large retail company for about $68 million.
He got bored, and decided to do seminars on marketing for non-traditional marketers (e.g. lawyers, dentists). Invariably, one of these multi-diploma folks would ask:
"So where did you get your degree?"
And he'd always reply:
"I got my PhD from the University of Life. How about you?"
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:41:57pm |
re: #733 pat
Everybody Wants To Rule The World
Take your time with the video. It is what you are living. The tongue in cheek aspect of the concept is lost on Washington.
Everybody Wants To Rule The World
No embedding, sorry.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:42:19pm |
re: #740 ggt
Ok, I like Eddy Money
I met Eddy Money about 12 years ago. Nice man, he had a gorgeous wife and a sleepy toddler with him.
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capitalist piglet Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:42:19pm |
re: #728 RunningBare
Oh, I am. Cuz, I look like a hippie. Well, ok, the hippies look like ME, but you get my point. The few conservative members of the faculty and I now have our own organized emal list. :)
You don't exactly look like a hippie. You look like Johnny Depp with long, American-Indian dark hair. I know I wasn't supposed to let that cat out of the bag, but I can't go around letting people think my best friend looks like a hippie.
I have an image to protect, you know.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:43:19pm |
re: #723 avanti
It was not a autobigraphy in the strict sense : "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance is a memoir by Barack Obama.
Some obscure tweny something, out of millions, just happens to get a lucrative publishing deal.
/better lucky than good I guess
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:43:29pm |
re: #622 kateca
I can honestly say that I know of NO OTHER PRESIDENTS OF LAW REVIEWS who haven't published a scholarly artice or at the very least a scholarly footnote to an article submitted by someone else. And you should know that students who get on Law Review "serve" for two years.
NONE. And that includes Law Reviews which I've used in my practice of law as (hopefully) means of changing a judge's mind (though it rarely worked, I've read a TON of law reviews over the years).
If you know of any, please be kind enough to e-mail me with their names and law schools as I have to go to sleep now.
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JohnAdams Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:43:39pm |
re: #745 jcm
You're not the least bit curious who his professors and influences were at Columbia?
It's not his grades I'm interested in, it's who he studied under. Fine he graduated with honors, but where are any papers he authored to give insight into his thinking then? Not only are his transcripts and papers missing, so are his law firm records, so are his legislative records, and they tried to lock up the CAC papers.
As to his winning. HE WON is trite. Just because HE WON doesn't mean he gets to change the foundations of the country, he has laws he has to work within, not run over. HE WON is arrogant, he may the leader of the free world, but he is also the servant of the people and their security his is number one task.
He won because the media did not dig. Into his professors at school, his lack of paper trail, he's obvious statement contrary to the founding, traditions and laws of this country. He befitted from 8 years of media slander of GWB. He benefited from a majority of the people of this country have a mistaken belief our government is a democracy, and a pathetic lack of historical and civic knowledge, brought about by fellow travelers like Zinn and Ayers.
Historical he is doing exactly what caused the depression to run 7-10 years longer than it should of. Historically he's making the same mistakes that contributed to WWII.
POW!
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jcm Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:43:41pm |
re: #714 RunningBare
Hey! Me too!
Oh... wait... you bought me mine... YAY ME!
(I just remembered - one of the band names I came up with back in the 80s, and the other guys rejected it, was "Che's Hands" )
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:45:06pm |
re: #749 capitalist piglet
You don't exactly look like a hippie. You look like Johnny Depp with long, American-Indian dark hair. I know I wasn't supposed to let that cat out of the bag, but I can't go around letting people think my best friend looks like a hippie.
I have an image to protect, you know.
Plus, I bathe.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:45:51pm |
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realwest Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:46:53pm |
Well y'all it's been grand - just wish I could have gotten here much sooner - this has been one of the best threads on LGF for a while and THAT'S saying a lot.
Unfortunately, I have to go to sleep, NOW.
Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Good night, all.
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:47:04pm |
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NY Nana Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:47:16pm |
re: #744 Pvt Bin Jammin
G'nite Nana. I am not too far behind you. Have a great day manana.
Do Californians go to sleep earlier that those of us on the East coast? ;)
I am trying to pry my fingers off the keyboard, honest! There seems to be Super Glue on them, darn it! I keep telling myself 'Yes, I can!'....my intentions are good, though.
Sweet dreams!
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jvic Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:47:25pm |
re: #641 iceweasel
Exactly, great post. That's my big worry, and I rarely see it addressed in these discussions.
I know the left likes to worry about dividing the pie fairly, but afaic it's probably even more important to grow it; I don't think the right has been making the case.
re: #649 itellu3times
The systems suck.
Thanks for the forthright, though stark, reply. Systemic problems are hard to solve because a) unintended consequences may make the solution worse than the problem and b) every conscientious participant in a dysfunctional system already is doing the best he can and is apprehensive about change.
*****************
Good night.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:48:01pm |
re: #756 RunningBare
I kinda used to think I was a hippie too but I voted for Nixon in "72.
The clothes were cool, especially my leather jacket with the fringe.
| 765 |
NY Nana Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:48:22pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:48:24pm |
re: #748 Shiplord Kirel
I met Eddy Money about 12 years ago. Nice man, he had a gorgeous wife and a sleepy toddler with him.
Well, his daughter has grown up and has since performed with him. She's got both looks and talent so she might end up with her own career in music.
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jcm Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:48:42pm |
re: #758 realwest
Well y'all it's been grand - just wish I could have gotten here much sooner - this has been one of the best threads on LGF for a while and THAT'S saying a lot.
Unfortunately, I have to go to sleep, NOW.Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Good night, all.
Night RW...
God Bless!
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:49:06pm |
re: #745 jcm
Just because HE WON doesn't mean he gets to change the foundations of the country, he has laws he has to work within, not run over.
Not according to the media-prescribed and endorsed Castro/Chavez/Allende paradigm of democracy-from-the-barrel-of-a-gun, under which a "democratically elected" caudillo president can do anything he likes.
The media culture identifies with charismatic leaders, while faceless collective bodies like congresses, supreme courts, etc. lack media presence. Explains a lot.
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pat Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:49:34pm |
You know some of us were once very liberal. But somewhere along the line, taking multiple courses in science, math, logic, economics, history, and other difficult disciplines pulled the wool off my eyes. I graduated from grad school a very different person than went in. I wonder if Obam has ever even had a hard course. His geography seems infantile. Religious philosophy? Silly. Economics? Zero. Science? Zero. Race politics? A+. White Guilt? A+.
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RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:49:36pm |
re: #764 Pvt Bin Jammin
I kinda used to think I was a hippie too but I voted for Nixon in "72.
The clothes were cool, especially my leather jacket with the fringe.
I have one of those. Plus a stack of vintage "Nixon's The One" bumper stickers stored somewheres...
| 771 |
avanti Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:49:55pm |
re: #751 Killian Bundy
Some obscure tweny something, out of millions, just happens to get a lucrative publishing deal.
/better lucky than good I guess
OK, I'm out of my element here, I'm not into big conspiracy weaving and need to go to bed. One small correction to your conspiracy though. He did not get a lucrative publishing deal until he became famous. Very few copies were sold until the second release:
"The book was re-released in 2004 following Obama's keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention (DNC); the 2004 edition includes a new introduction by Obama, then a Senator-elect, as well as his DNC keynote address."
Good night all.
| 772 |
mrshankly01 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:50:02pm |
re: #758 realwest
I've had fun just reading. great thread.
| 773 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:50:06pm |
| 774 |
Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:50:29pm |
| 775 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:50:47pm |
re: #760 NY Nana
Do Californians go to sleep earlier that those of us on the East coast? ;)
I am trying to pry my fingers off the keyboard, honest! There seems to be Super Glue on them, darn it! I keep telling myself 'Yes, I can!'....my intentions are good, though.
Sweet dreams!
LOL I guess it is only 10:48 for me. I have made it to the fruitcup twice and lots of times it's 1:30. I guess I am not as hardy as you easterners. My hat is off to ya.
| 777 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:51:43pm |
re: #745 jcm
You're not the least bit curious who his professors and influences were at Columbia?
It's not his grades I'm interested in, it's who he studied under. Fine he graduated with honors, but where are any papers he authored to give insight into his thinking then?.
My issue with this line of thought is this: How many of us here think that a list of our professors at university, or reading the papers we wrote at university, would tell anyone anything substantial about who we are now and what we think?
How many of us wrote papers while at university that represented nothing more than our ability to get an A?
Or perhaps a paper that proves nothing more than that we'd been doing other things all night and wrote the paper at the last minute?
And for some of us, I bet we wrote papers that fall into both those categories. I certainly did.
| 778 |
KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:52:13pm |
re: #775 Pvt Bin Jammin
LOL I guess it is only 10:48 for me. I have made it to the fruitcup twice and lots of times it's 1:30. I guess I am not as hardy as you easterners. My hat is off to ya.
It's only 7:51PM for me. Although, momma will be home soon and need some snuggles....
| 779 |
Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:52:25pm |
re: #757 Dark_Falcon
Taken once he had become a Good Communist.
I've posted this before, but there may be some who haven't seen it.
The real story of Che's demise from a rarely seen perspective, that of the Bolivian military who tracked down and eliminated the terrorist icon:
| 780 |
pat Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:53:17pm |
re: #747 Dark_Falcon
oops. Screwed up. That is exactly the video I meant. lol
| 781 |
KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:53:41pm |
| 782 |
AmeriDan Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:54:05pm |
re: #36 spudly
The ABQ Journal mentioned thousands at the one here in ABQ. Didn't see it, but we didn't get far into town yesterday.
Are you questioning the crowd estimate of an event that you did not attend?
I read somewhere that there were people on the National Mall in Washington. I didn't see one single person there, but then again, I wasn't at the Mall.
Does your comment make anymore sense than mine?
| 783 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:54:17pm |
re: #771 avanti
OK, I'm out of my element here, I'm not into big conspiracy weaving and need to go to bed. One small correction to your conspiracy though. He did not get a lucrative publishing deal until he became famous. Very few copies were sold until the second release:
"The book was re-released in 2004 following Obama's keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention (DNC); the 2004 edition includes a new introduction by Obama, then a Senator-elect, as well as his DNC keynote address."
Good night all.
Goodnight, avanti.
| 784 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:54:20pm |
re: #770 RunningBare
I have one of those. Plus a stack of vintage "Nixon's The One" bumper stickers stored somewheres...
OMG, they must be collectors items by now. I don't have any of those. Sadly my folks were dems and I was a young broke kid at the time. At least they went for Reagan.
Oh how I wish I still had that jacket.
| 785 |
jcm Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:54:30pm |
re: #768 Shiplord Kirel
Not according to the media-prescribed and endorsed Castro/Chavez/Allende paradigm of democracy-from-the-barrel-of-a-gun, under which a "democratically elected"
caudillopresident can do anything he likes.
The media culture identifies with charismatic leaders, while faceless collective bodies like congresses, supreme courts, etc. lack media presence. Explains a lot.
Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good
of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live
under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.
The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may
at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end for they do so with the approval
of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis
| 786 |
Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:55:43pm |
| 787 |
NY Nana Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:57:26pm |
re: #775 Pvt Bin Jammin
LOL I guess it is only 10:48 for me. I have made it to the fruitcup twice and lots of times it's 1:30. I guess I am not as hardy as you easterners. My hat is off to ya.
/You go to sleep in the PM?
Seriously, every one of my cousins in the LA metro area go to sleep about the same time as you do.
I really have to try to get to sleep earlier, but so far? I am just not meeting my goal, which is 2 AM...and then slooowly, sloooowly, I will aim for 1 AM! The problem is that my aim stinks! You should see me throwing a ball...pathetic.
Enjoy the fruitcup.
| 788 |
Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:58:08pm |
YIKES!
Congressman Peter King Blasts Michael Jackson Calls Him Pedophile And Child Molester
Also calls him a low-life and a pervert.
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subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:58:37pm |
I suppose I'd also be embarrassed if things I wrote in college came back to haunt me.
For example, after my first semester's courses had been locked in, and I took the reading list to the book store to purchase the texts for my courses, the title of my first paper - in every class - was:
"Holy Shit! An In-Depth Analysis of Why We're Forced to Purchase Texts Written By Professors Teaching the Class, and Why None of Those Books Even Come Close to Showing Up at All on Amazon's List of Sales, Even Though That Goes as Deep as "Amazon Sales Ranking: 10,000,000,000,0001."
Followed by a second paper I hope never sees the light of day:
"In a Pig's Ear: My Attempt to Sell My Used Textbooks for More Than a Dollar Each."
| 791 |
LC LaWedgie Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:59:38pm |
| 792 |
Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:59:39pm |
| 793 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:00:10pm |
re: #788 Shiplord Kirel
YIKES!
Congressman Peter King Blasts Michael Jackson Calls Him Pedophile And Child Molester
Also calls him a low-life and a pervert.
OH SHIT! It's on NOW! You can't criticize a black man like that!
Oh... wait... never mind.
| 794 |
Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:00:34pm |
| 795 |
subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:00:53pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:01:17pm |
re: #788 Shiplord Kirel
YIKES!
Congressman Peter King Blasts Michael Jackson Calls Him Pedophile And Child Molester
Also calls him a low-life and a pervert.
I wouldn't have done that. Jackson's family is still in mourning. King should have kept quiet.
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Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:01:45pm |
re: #788 Shiplord Kirel
YIKES!
Congressman Peter King Blasts Michael Jackson Calls Him Pedophile And Child Molester
Also calls him a low-life and a pervert.
A lot of people share his feelings. Of course, a Republican is "not allowed" to state those feelings.
| 798 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:02:20pm |
| 799 |
subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:02:24pm |
re: #792 Killian Bundy
/American syntax
Plus, you didn't spell it correctly. Under Obama, it's spelled:
American Sin Tax.
:-)
| 801 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:03:58pm |
re: #787 NY Nana
When I came here I was almost fresh from Nevada (with 10 months in Parris Island, SC) in between). I hated California and rued the fact that they rolled up the streets at 11:00PM. That is about the time I used to get going in Nevada. LOL I guess I am back to being a Californian again (was born here).
| 802 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:04:12pm |
Will someone please explain Facebook to me? I have a page, I don't know why. I only log-on when I get a request to join someone else's page.
| 803 |
kateca Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:04:24pm |
Report from the Mid South:
I attended a TEA party in Hernando, MS. (pop -10,000). Our key-note speakers were Senator Merle Flowers and Angela McGlowan. There were no radicals. There were no TV cameras. About 1,000 people attended, almost all wearing patriotic clothing, families, seniors, young people, veterans. A little girl with a sign her mother made for her: "Please don't tax me before I've made any money". Local news at 6:00, nothing. I bought the Sunday paper today,not a word.
Now remind me, How many people did Cindy Sheehan get to camp outside GW's ranch in Crawford Texas? 30 or so? Wasn't that National News every night?
| 804 |
KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:04:38pm |
This is an absolutely smoking version of Stone Fee live. I had this record until is got too scratched and haven't found it for sale.
Thanks for the blast.
| 805 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:07:26pm |
re: #802 ggt
Will someone please explain Facebook to me? I have a page, I don't know why. I only log-on when I get a request to join someone else's page.
FaceBook is that site where you sign up, so that you can reconnect with all the assmunches that didn't like you, or didn't talk to you, or abused you, in high school, but now wanna be your best friend in the whole world, while they prattle on and on and on and on about their pathetic, utterly predictable, and empty lives, meanwhile thinking that you actually give a shit.
I could be wrong though.
| 806 |
wee fury Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:08:12pm |
And, dance the boogie like this.
| 807 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:08:13pm |
re: #803 kateca
Report from the Mid South:
I attended a TEA party in Hernando, MS. (pop -10,000). Our key-note speakers were Senator Merle Flowers and Angela McGlowan. There were no radicals. There were no TV cameras. About 1,000 people attended, almost all wearing patriotic clothing, families, seniors, young people, veterans. A little girl with a sign her mother made for her: "Please don't tax me before I've made any money". Local news at 6:00, nothing. I bought the Sunday paper today,not a word.
Now remind me, How many people did Cindy Sheehan get to camp outside GW's ranch in Crawford Texas? 30 or so? Wasn't that National News every night?
She was left wing. The press will ignore you, because your cause is "wrong" to them. I hate it, but that's the way it is.
| 808 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:08:49pm |
Wow! Everyone is pickin' some good boogies tonight!
| 809 |
capitalist piglet Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:09:00pm |
re: #797 Gus 802
A lot of people share his feelings. Of course, a Republican is "not allowed" to state those feelings.
King may have found it odd that such an individual was honored with a moment of silence on the House floor.
I'm sure he wouldn't be alone.
| 810 |
jcm Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:09:52pm |
re: #777 iceweasel
My issue with this line of thought is this: How many of us here think that a list of our professors at university, or reading the papers we wrote at university, would tell anyone anything substantial about who we are now and what we think?
How many of us wrote papers while at university that represented nothing more than our ability to get an A?
Or perhaps a paper that proves nothing more than that we'd been doing other things all night and wrote the paper at the last minute?
And for some of us, I bet we wrote papers that fall into both those categories. I certainly did.
How many candidates get away with burying their paper trail, as completely as Obama? With as little media attention as it got?
HRC, tried to bury her thesis, but it was found. To the 60% of the voters who get 100% of their information the subject of her thesis would mean nothing.
But to those of us who believe in preserving Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness the subject is antithetical to those things.
The subject of HRC's thesis is also the founder of the same organizations Obama left to work for on leaving college.
Now as to Obama's professors at Columbia, anyone who has studied the issue knows he used and is using tactics taught by certain professors there. These professors' beliefs are also antithetical to the foundations of American, something which Obama is open about wanting to change.
There's plenty of circumstantial evidence as to what Obama was doing at Columbia.
If Obama ran with the whole truth opened for the people to see, his upbringing, his education his associations, who he chose to associate with, you would have someone writing to get A's on papers, you'd have the biography of a committed ideologue.
| 811 |
Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:10:15pm |
re: #809 capitalist piglet
King may have found it odd that such an individual was honored with a moment of silence on the House floor.
I'm sure he wouldn't be alone.
I agree. There were others that objected to the "honoring" of this pop star in the House floor. I would include myself. It was pure political pandering.
| 813 |
IslandLibertarian Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:10:28pm |
re: #769 pat
I was liberal in social values. But I never opposed my country defending freedom (Vietnam) but was disgusted the way the war was waged.
Spending 8 years at PMRF convinced me of "Peace Through Superior Fire Power".
And being a shop steward and on a collective bargaining committee with the IBEW convinced me of the folly of socialism. Jimmy Carter was the final epiphany.
| 814 |
ShanghaiEd Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:10:54pm |
re: #777 iceweasel
My issue with this line of thought is this: How many of us here think that a list of our professors at university, or reading the papers we wrote at university, would tell anyone anything substantial about who we are now and what we think?
How many of us wrote papers while at university that represented nothing more than our ability to get an A?
Or perhaps a paper that proves nothing more than that we'd been doing other things all night and wrote the paper at the last minute?
And for some of us, I bet we wrote papers that fall into both those categories. I certainly did.
I'd sure hate for any of my college work to turn up in public. Apparently all the other candidates felt the same way; did any of them open their college records up to the public?
I guess the reason I feel a double standard here is that, for years, anybody who did well in college was called an "elitist" and an "egghead" by GOP pundits. President Bush referred to himself as a C student and got applause. John McCain said he ranked 894th in a class of 899 and nobody suggested it should be held against him, or insinuated that he somehow got favorable career treatment because his father was an admiral.
Why do we suddenly need an academic whiz in charge of things? What changed?
| 815 |
Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:11:07pm |
re: #805 RunningBare
I had the out-of-my-league Persian hottie explain it to me like this a few years back:
'Facebook is for those who think they've outgrown MySpace, but still want to ramble on about every little detail in their sad little lives'
| 816 |
subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:11:47pm |
re: #805 RunningBare
FaceBook is that site where you sign up, so that you can reconnect with all the assmunches that didn't like you, or didn't talk to you, or abused you, in high school, but now wanna be your best friend in the whole world, while they prattle on and on and on and on about their pathetic, utterly predictable, and empty lives, meanwhile thinking that you actually give a shit.
I could be wrong though.
In other industry news, Facebook released a statement today saying it was sorry to announce the departure of its marketing director RunningBare. A Facebook spokesperson said, "while we're sorry to see RunningBare move on to new challenges, it's become clear that RB is jealous of the fact that all of us here at corporate were hugely influential in maintaining and growing the Chess Club. So, quite frankly, he can kiss our asses. Checkmate."
| 817 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:11:47pm |
re: #809 capitalist piglet
King may have found it odd that such an individual was honored with a moment of silence on the House floor.
I'm sure he wouldn't be alone.
On the plus side, I think Jackson's death was the first major event of Obama's presidency where he wasn't quoted as being "deeply concerned". So, there is that.
| 818 |
jcm Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:11:52pm |
re: #789 subsailor68
I suppose I'd also be embarrassed if things I wrote in college came back to haunt me.
For example, after my first semester's courses had been locked in, and I took the reading list to the book store to purchase the texts for my courses, the title of my first paper - in every class - was:
"Holy Shit! An In-Depth Analysis of Why We're Forced to Purchase Texts Written By Professors Teaching the Class, and Why None of Those Books Even Come Close to Showing Up at All on Amazon's List of Sales, Even Though That Goes as Deep as "Amazon Sales Ranking: 10,000,000,000,0001."
Followed by a second paper I hope never sees the light of day:
"In a Pig's Ear: My Attempt to Sell My Used Textbooks for More Than a Dollar Each."
Rummages through Zionist Honco master research file........
Ahh HAH! Thought so.
How much you want to make sure these never see light of day?
/;-P
| 819 |
KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:12:29pm |
re: #809 capitalist piglet
King may have found it odd that such an individual was honored with a moment of silence on the House floor.
I find it disturbing, but not odd. I'm going to watch it after Jimi quits playing..
| 820 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:12:29pm |
re: #812 Pvt Bin Jammin
Dang, my post got eated. LOL I just wanted to say that I saw Jimi at the Avalon Ballroom in SF,CA in 1969. I heard he was once in the Airborne. Is that true?
| 821 |
gmsc Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:12:53pm |
| 822 |
Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:13:47pm |
| 823 |
subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:14:30pm |
re: #818 jcm
Rummages through Zionist Honco master research file........
Ahh HAH! Thought so.
How much you want to make sure these never see light of day?
/;-P
Hmmm...if you can get more than a dollar each, could we split the profits? Yeah, I sold my soul years ago. Just trying to maximize the investment.
;-)
| 824 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:14:55pm |
re: #814 ShanghaiEd
Why do we suddenly need an academic whiz in charge of things? What changed?
I dont' know about you, but all I kept hearing was how incredibly fucking smart Obama was over and over and over again. It was beaten to death.
Maybe some actual, I dont' know, EVIDENCE of it would have been nice... You know, something other than his little "ME ME ME ME ME ALL ABOUT MEEEEEEEEE" books, and voting "Present".
| 825 |
jcm Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:15:21pm |
re: #814 ShanghaiEd
It's not is grades as said in #745.
It's who with and what he studied, that's of interest.
| 826 |
bendover0311 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:16:07pm |
I've been away for awhile because I started a small business. It was really tough going for a bit but once it started to click I made the most of it. Now I only have to work half days. The best part is, I get to choose which twelve hours I work.
| 827 |
NY Nana Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:16:20pm |
re: #796 Dark_Falcon
The family is soaking the already hard-pressed city of LA, making them pay for the numbers of police, etc., that will be needed.
It is obscene. They can damned well pay the bill. And they are going to re-create the Jackson Five, and take it to London. This is how they mourn?
Compare this circus to the dignified service and private funeral that Farah Fawcett had.
| 828 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:16:31pm |
re: #819 BigPapa
My posts got all screwed up but my question was for you. Wasn't Jimi in the Airborne?
| 830 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:17:29pm |
re: #816 subsailor68
In other industry news, Facebook released a statement today saying it was sorry to announce the departure of its marketing director RunningBare. A Facebook spokesperson said, "while we're sorry to see RunningBare move on to new challenges, it's become clear that RB is jealous of the fact that all of us here at corporate were hugely influential in maintaining and growing the Chess Club. So, quite frankly, he can kiss our asses. Checkmate."
Meanwhile, after the press conference, police were called to FaceBook Headquarters today, where it was alleged that a disgruntled employee went on an Atomic Wedgie and Swirly Rampage. Authorities have not yet released the casualty lists, pending notification of next-of-kin, and local dry cleaners.
| 831 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:17:36pm |
re: #827 NY Nana
The family is soaking the already hard-pressed city of LA, making them pay for the numbers of police, etc., that will be needed.
It is obscene. They can damned well pay the bill. And they are going to re-create the Jackson Five, and take it to London. This is how they mourn?
Compare this circus to the dignified service and private funeral that Farah Fawcett had.
Quite concur.
| 832 |
subsailor68 Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:17:41pm |
Well guys, it's been terrific, but must get some sleep. I hope everyone here has a terrific Monday!
| 833 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:17:51pm |
re: #827 NY Nana
The family is soaking the already hard-pressed city of LA, making them pay for the numbers of police, etc., that will be needed.
It is obscene. They can damned well pay the bill. And they are going to re-create the Jackson Five, and take it to London. This is how they mourn?
Compare this circus to the dignified service and private funeral that Farah Fawcett had.
They are getting ready to lay off teachers as we speak. It is pitiful.
| 834 |
Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:18:01pm |
Sorry.
/"boogie" wasn't for white people
| 835 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:19:22pm |
re: #830 RunningBare
Meanwhile, after the press conference, police were called to FaceBook Headquarters today, where it was alleged that a disgruntled employee went on an Atomic Wedgie and Swirly Rampage. Authorities have not yet released the casualty lists, pending notification of next-of-kin, and local dry cleaners.
48 hr rule;-)
| 836 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:20:53pm |
re: #834 Killian Bundy
I am white and I have rhythm. I can jump too... not so high now that I am over sixty.
| 837 |
zombie Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:21:05pm |
re: #820 Pvt Bin Jammin
Dang, my post got eated. LOL I just wanted to say that I saw Jimi at the Avalon Ballroom in SF,CA in 1969. I heard he was once in the Airborne. Is that true?
Yes it is true!
Hendrix got into trouble with the law twice for riding in stolen cars. He was given a choice between spending two years in prison or joining the Army. Hendrix chose the latter and enlisted on May 31, 1961. After completing boot camp, he was assigned to the 101st Airborne Division and stationed in Fort Campbell, Kentucky. His commanding officers and fellow soldiers considered him to be a sub-par soldier: he slept while on duty, had little regard for regulations, required constant supervision, and showed no skill as a marksman. For these reasons, his commanding officers submitted a request that Hendrix be discharged from the military after he had served only one year. Hendrix did not object when the opportunity to leave arose.[31] Hendrix would later tell reporters that he received a medical discharge after breaking his ankle during his 26th parachute jump. The 2005 biography Room Full of Mirrors by Charles Cross claims that Hendrix faked being homosexual — claiming to have fallen in love with a fellow soldier — in order to be discharged, but has never produced credible evidence to support this contention.
At the post recreation center, he met fellow soldier and bass player Billy Cox, and forged a loyal friendship that would serve Hendrix well during the last year of his life. The two would often play with other musicians at venues both on and off the post as a loosely organized band named "The King Kasuals".[32]
As a celebrity in the UK, Hendrix only mentioned his military service in three published interviews, one in 1967 for the film See My Music Talking (much later released under the title Experience), which was intended for TV to promote his recently released Axis: Bold As Love LP, in which he spoke very briefly of his first parachuting experience: "...once you get out there everything is so quiet, all you hear is the breezes-s-s-s..." This comment has later been used to claim that he was saying that this was one of the sources of his "spacy" guitar sound. The second and third mentions of his military experience were in interviews for Melody Maker in 1967 and 1969, where he spoke of his dislike of the army.[33] In interviews in the US, Hendrix almost never mentioned it, and when Dick Cavett brought it up in his TV interview, Hendrix's only response was to verify that he had been based at Fort Campbell.[34]
| 838 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:21:19pm |
Time for me to head to bed. Goodnight, all.
| 839 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:21:34pm |
| 840 |
Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:21:43pm |
re: #827 NY Nana
The family is soaking the already hard-pressed city of LA, making them pay for the numbers of police, etc., that will be needed.
It is obscene. They can damned well pay the bill. And they are going to re-create the Jackson Five, and take it to London. This is how they mourn?
Compare this circus to the dignified service and private funeral that Farah Fawcett had.
They're going to milk this for what it's worth for the longest of time. They're not mourning, they're litigating and setting up tertiary business deals.
| 841 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:21:49pm |
re: #835 Pvt Bin Jammin
48 hr rule;-)
Corporate mumbo-jumbo? I thought that applied to food that falls on the floor, or under the seat in teh car?
| 842 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:22:00pm |
re: #838 Dark_Falcon
Time for me to head to bed. Goodnight, all.
Bye DF-- always a pleasure. Take good care.
| 843 |
Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:22:12pm |
| 844 |
freetoken Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:22:17pm |
re: #814 ShanghaiEd
John McCain said he ranked 894th in a class of 899 and nobody suggested it should be held against him, or insinuated that he somehow got favorable career treatment because his father was an admiral.
Dinged you up because of the general approach you are taking... but, McCain's lousy Academy performance was trotted out from time to time by his opponents... but it didn't really mean much. In the general election it was mentioned by some of the Democrat hard-cores, but I doubt it changed any votes.
| 845 |
Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:23:11pm |
There is a rumble in the socon asylum that arch-RINO Mitt Romney actually torpedoed both Palin and, so help me, the Carolina alley-cat Mark Sanford. Apparently the denizens of the fever swamp had viewed creationist Sanford as potential presidential material after Bobby Jindal decided to self-destruct.
Obviously, fiendish liberal conspirators would have wanted to wait and spring the pseudo-Evita on Sanford AFTER he got the nomination, but the wily Mitt pre-empted them.
Just exactly how these various conspirators arranged all this remains a complete mystery.
| 846 |
LC LaWedgie Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:23:19pm |
String Cheese Incident on Austin City Limits
| 847 |
NY Nana Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:23:19pm |
re: #801 Pvt Bin Jammin
Our little village has scant night life...but still, we do stay up late. My daughter and son in law go to sleep early, as the nearly-3 year old is a very busy boy! ;)
When my daughter took him to Ohio last weekend? He had a ball! I asked him if he liked flying..'No, Nana, because my green sticker got ripped on the plane. I do not like to fly.' I managed to keep from totally breaking up, but my daughter, for once, did lose it, in the background.
He could run in a marathon, so help me!
| 848 |
capitalist piglet Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:23:23pm |
re: #836 Pvt Bin Jammin
I am white and I have rhythm. I can jump too... not so high now that I am over sixty.
Me too. Soul, even. That's what Chaka Khan told me, right before she told me never to drop names. : )
| 849 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:23:34pm |
re: #839 iceweasel
Still obsessing, I see. :)
PS: I also like Dijon mustard.
This is a great post... for me to POUPON!
| 850 |
KronoGhazi Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:24:05pm |
re: #828 Pvt Bin Jammin
Hendrix got into trouble with the law twice for riding in stolen cars. He was given a choice between spending two years in prison or joining the Army. Hendrix chose the latter and enlisted on May 31, 1961. After completing boot camp, he was assigned to the 101st Airborne Division and stationed in Fort Campbell, Kentucky. His commanding officers and fellow soldiers considered him to be a sub-par soldier: he slept while on duty, had little regard for regulations, required constant supervision, and showed no skill as a marksman. For these reasons, his commanding officers submitted a request that Hendrix be discharged from the military after he had served only one year. Hendrix did not object when the opportunity to leave arose.[31] Hendrix would later tell reporters that he received a medical discharge after breaking his ankle during his 26th parachute jump. The 2005 biography Room Full of Mirrors by Charles Cross claims that Hendrix faked being homosexual — claiming to have fallen in love with a fellow soldier — in order to be discharged, but has never produced credible evidence to support this contention.
| 851 |
Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:24:05pm |
re: #836 Pvt Bin Jammin
I am white and I have rhythm. I can jump too... not so high now that I am over sixty.
It's like tea parties.
/boogie was late '70s and whites were userpers for the most part
| 852 |
Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:24:19pm |
re: #824 RunningBare
I think a Dreams of My Father or Audacity of Hope pop-up book would be more appropriate for the majority of 0bamanauts....
| 854 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:24:25pm |
re: #799 subsailor68
Plus, you didn't spell it correctly. Under Obama, it's spelled:
American Sin Tax.
:-)
Upding, because that was funny. :)
| 855 |
capitalist piglet Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:24:31pm |
re: #841 RunningBare
Corporate mumbo-jumbo? I thought that applied to food that falls on the floor, or under the seat in teh car?
That's the three-second rule, not the 48-hour rule. LOL
| 856 |
sngnsgt Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:24:46pm |
re: #667 Alouette
Hi Lizards. I am back from Canada where I spent the weekend without a computer.
Welcome back to civilization.
| 857 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:25:36pm |
re: #848 capitalist piglet
Me too. Soul, even. That's what Chaka Khan told me, right before she told me never to drop names. : )
You define Soul. My favorite singer, hands down. Anyone who has not had the opportunity to hear you do what you do, is missing out.
| 858 |
gmsc Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:25:57pm |
re: #667 Alouette
Hi Lizards. I am back from Canada where I spent the weekend without a computer.
Oh, sure. Blame Canada!
| 859 |
freetoken Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:26:39pm |
re: #845 Shiplord Kirel
I've been under the impression that Stinky gets unhappy when someone directly links to the "asylum".
| 860 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:26:59pm |
re: #855 capitalist piglet
That's the three-second rule, not the 48-hour rule. LOL
Hmmm. A few seconds in teh microwave, and those french fries are perfectly fine.
| 861 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:27:06pm |
re: #837 zombie
Thanks, Zombie. I was sure I had heard something about that. Reminds me of "Klinger" from "Mash". I did really like his music back in the day, however.
I guess I really was kind of a hippie.
| 862 |
jcm Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:27:07pm |
I'm out of here also.....
There is but one means available to improve the material conditions of mankind: to accelerate the growth of capital accumulated as against the growth in population. The greater the amount of capital invested per head of the worker, the more and better goods can be produced and consumed. This is what capitalism, the much abused profit system, has brought about and brings about daily anew. Yet, most present-day governments and political parties are eager to destroy this system.
Ludwig von Mises
| 863 |
Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:27:19pm |
| 864 |
capitalist piglet Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:28:09pm |
re: #857 RunningBare
You define Soul. My favorite singer, hands down. Anyone who has not had the opportunity to hear you do what you do, is missing out.
Not really. LOL (And I can give you a list of people who define soul...I am NOT on it. But you are extremely kind to say that.)
| 865 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:28:18pm |
re: #849 RunningBare
This is a great post... for me to POUPON!
hahaha-- UPDING! *shakes tiny liberal fist*
| 866 |
Shiplord Kirel Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:29:24pm |
re: #667 Alouette
Hi Lizards. I am back from Canada where I spent the weekend without a computer.
I spent 40 years without a computer. It was tough, especially in the early days. It's a wonder we ever discovered fire and how to use it to fend off saber-tooths and, worse, roving Neanderthal youth gangs. They were cannibals you know-- one of them ate an old witch doctor who lived on the next crag--- though I guess it isn't PC to say so anymore.
| 867 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:29:36pm |
re: #863 Killian Bundy
Not really.
/you voted for Obama/Biden, cased closed
Not for you, it seems. You just can't quit me.
| 868 |
RunningBare Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:29:44pm |
re: #864 capitalist piglet
Not really. LOL (And I can give you a list of people who define soul...I am NOT on it. But you are extremely kind to say that.)
*covers ears* LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA
| 869 |
Gus Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:29:58pm |
re: #861 Pvt Bin Jammin
Thanks, Zombie. I was sure I had heard something about that. Reminds me of "Klinger" from "Mash". I did really like his music back in the day, however.
I guess I really was kind of a hippie.
He was a terrible marksman:
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]
| 870 |
Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:32:37pm |
/coming from the suburbs to take a job in the city, I got schooled in totally foreign urban culture as a teenager
| 871 |
Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:33:22pm |
| 872 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:33:46pm |
re: #851 Killian Bundy
Maybe I can get in on the affirmative action plan for semi rhythmic folks who think they can dance.
| 874 |
GGMac Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:38:27pm |
re: #704 Gus 802
Fitting isn't it? :)
//Alinsky student.
And neighborly, as well.
I wonder what neighborhood Frank Marshall David lived in, in his Chicago days. He was also a writer. And a commie. And Obama's hand-picked-by-grandpa mentor once the 'clan' had all settled in Hawaii
| 875 |
Killian Bundy Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:39:57pm |
re: #872 Pvt Bin Jammin
Maybe I can get in on the affirmative action plan for semi rhythmic folks who think they can dance.
/practice, practice, practice
| 876 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:40:23pm |
re: #873 RunningBare
Nite. I might go to the new thread for five minutes, if I can get there.
| 877 |
sagehen Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:42:41pm |
re: #751 Killian Bundy
Some obscure tweny something, out of millions, just happens to get a lucrative publishing deal.
/better lucky than good I guess
The first black president of the Harvard Law Review wasn't entirely obscure.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
| 878 |
kateca Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:44:28pm |
re: #622 kateca
I wonder how many other editors of Law Review have never been published? Any?
re: #655 avanti
I don't get the obsession with Obama's education ? Does the right hate him so much that they assume he must have sucked at Harvard and Columbia ? I saw more attention to Obama's graduation with honors from Harvard with a law degree, then picking on Palin for taking six years to get a journalism degree. No one asked for her or McCain transcripts or cared how they did it college. Obama had the wrote two books that let the voters know about his politics, he was open about his early drug use and the rest, and still won. It's time to judge his performance in office and stop obsessing about how he was elected IMHO.
Call it a curious mind. I wonder how he could make Law Review editor without ever being published, because that is a rare feat.
As for the rest of your post? Are you talking to me?
| 879 |
NY Nana Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:46:49pm |
re: #831 Dark_Falcon
Quite concur.
If it was for a true American hero, who had fought in Iraq or Afghanistan? Then it would be whatever the family wanted, for they lost someone, tragically, who gave his life for us all, and also for freedom for Iraq and Afghanistan...but the cult of celebrity here is totally out of hand.
We really need to re-evaluate our value system. When little girls think that Miley Cyrus is someone to admire? We have a problem. I do not worship false idols.
And Michael Jackson was not anyone to admire. This worship of him reminds me of the worship of The One. Sad. A scientist? An exemplary teacher? Where is the respect and gratitude for them?
So many people have conveniently forgotten what his live revolved around.
Got to go to sleep!
| 880 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:49:46pm |
re: #871 Killian Bundy
/whatever Obama/Biden voter
I've no plans to show you my birth certificate or my uni transcripts either. Just FYI.
| 881 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:01:35am |
re: #827 NY Nana
The family is soaking the already hard-pressed city of LA, making them pay for the numbers of police, etc., that will be needed.
It is obscene. They can damned well pay the bill. And they are going to re-create the Jackson Five, and take it to London. This is how they mourn?
Compare this circus to the dignified service and private funeral that Farah Fawcett had.
I can only agree. The Jackson family are a troupe of bloodsucking parasites, raffling off thousands of tickets to their son's funeral and strategizing over how to continue milking his fame for their own benefit. They aided and abetted his perversions and addictions as long as he kept the money spigot turned on in their direction, and most likely actively manipulated his weaknesses for their own gain
Mourning, my ass. The only think they're mourning is the loss of their meal ticket, and the fact that they now have to exert themselves to come up with new ways of living the high life on someone else's work, and covering up both their own complicity in Michael's wretched existence and the true depths of his depravities.
A sick, perverted asshole from a family of sick, perverted assholes.
| 883 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:04:48am |
re: #880 iceweasel
I've no plans to show you my birth certificate or my uni transcripts either. Just FYI.
Like I care. I'm a lawyer, graduated with honors.
/until denied, where appropriate, I will point out that you voted Obama/Biden
| 884 |
GGMac Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:15:18am |
re: #824 RunningBare
I dont' know about you, but all I kept hearing was how incredibly fucking smart Obama was over and over and over again. It was beaten to death.
Maybe some actual, I dont' know, EVIDENCE of it would have been nice... You know, something other than his little "ME ME ME ME ME ALL ABOUT MEEEEEEEEE" books, and voting "Present".
Welcome hatchling - don't be shy about expressing yourself.
//
Clearly your mix of brains, zest, and humor is going to contribute to the enjoyment of Lizardom!
| 885 |
BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:30:08am |
re: #883 Killian Bundy
Like I care. I'm a lawyer, graduated with honors.
/until denied, where appropriate, I will point out that you voted Obama/Biden
Please do. Now that I know you're an internet lawyer, with internet honours, I'll be waiting for my internet subpoena.
Apparently in your Internet world, people have to reveal who they voted for.
| 886 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:38:26am |
re: #885 iceweasel
Please do. Now that I know you're an internet lawyer, with internet honors, I'll be waiting for my internet subpoena.
Apparently in your Internet world, people have to reveal who they voted for.
No, I'm a real lawyer, just renewed my license.
/and 99% of LGfers, commenting anonymously, have no problem whatsoever disclosing whether they voted for McCain or Obama, it's just not that hard
| 887 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:55:19am |
re: #885 iceweasel
Apparently in your Internet world, people have to reveal who they voted for.
And if you had voted for McCain/Palin, this wouldn't even still be an issue, you would have already said so.
/but you voted for Obama/Biden and you're ashamed to admit it
| 888 |
SixDegrees Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:38:47am |
I feel compelled to point out that there are only two ways the GOP is going to regain power.
First, they can try to selectively increase voter turnout. While this is always a noble goal, it isn't a winning proposition; the last election saw the most massive efforts ever to boost turnout, and the results were marginal at best. There are people who will vote, and people who won't, and there just doesn't seem to be much you can do to get the latter to turn into the former, no matter how hard you try.
Second, and much more realistic: you can convince those who voted for Obama in the last election to switch their vote or their party affiliation in the next one. This strategy can actually work; the fringes make little difference in elections, which are decided by the vast middle of the voting populace - a lot of whom are noncommittal when it comes to party affiliation to begin with, don't belong to any political party and are amenable to arguments swaying them from one side to the other. This, in other words, is a workable approach that stands a chance of actually working.
Badgering someone over their last vote - especially when their position isn't even known - is not, however, a winning strategy. It's as effective as screeching "RINO!" at anyone who drifts even a hair's breadth from some proscribed, artificial party dogma that exists solely in the mind of the screecher - which is to say, not at all. It tends to drive erstwhile supporters into the arms of the opposition.
If this is the approach we're going to take, then we need to get used to sitting on the sidelines, watching our minority in all branches of government dwindle further and further.
| 889 |
BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:44:03am |
re: #888 SixDegrees
You are, of course, completely right in everything you say about the GOP and the path back to power.
You are also the first person to say this:
Badgering someone over their last vote - especially when their position isn't even known - is not, however, a winning strategy. It's as effective as screeching "RINO!" at anyone who drifts even a hair's breadth from some proscribed, artificial party dogma that exists solely in the mind of the screecher - which is to say, not at all. It tends to drive erstwhile supporters into the arms of the opposition.If this is the approach we're going to take, then we need to get used to sitting on the sidelines, watching our minority in all branches of government dwindle further and further.
You're the first person to recognise why I'm taking pleasure in refusing to say who I voted for, and to spot the larger point I've been making by so refusing.
| 890 |
The Other Les Mon, Jul 6, 2009 3:34:13am |
re: #737 Pvt Bin Jammin
Nothing to do with politics but during a long rainy season my hubby and I came up with this band name "Al Nino and The Tropical Depressions".
It's corny, I know.
I used the name "Buzzy Mania and Soviets" for a band in a work of fan fiction.
I came to me in a dream.
| 891 |
formercorpsman Mon, Jul 6, 2009 3:56:05am |
re: #889 iceweasel
You informed me not so long ago, you voted for him, and also worked in a capacity to help get him elected.
Your remarks in #777 are sleight of hand. To simply dismiss his past motivations, and actions as happenstance, seems a little disingenuous. I am sure you must have some inclination as to some of his credentials cited as boosting his resume, let alone his justification for presidential qualification.
The New Republic, (yes, that bastion of hard right political dogma) even looked it up for all of us.
Linky:[Link: www.pickensdemocrats.org...]
I have taken some time off, managed 2 baseball teams, and become more of a reader than a poster lately.
I like the divergent opinion, don't get me wrong. But something tells me either you are aware of his background, and past relationships, or you were so enthralled by his hope and change message, the bloom is off the rose now.
I will check back later.
| 893 |
BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jul 6, 2009 7:15:28am |
re: #891 formercorpsman
or you were so enthralled by his hope and change message, the bloom is off the rose now.
Hey formercorpsman! Hope you're well.
Sorry to disappoint, but I really did just like refusing to answer people on the grounds stated above. :)
If you've been reading you'll see that I've consistently presented criticisms of Obama-- from the left -- and consistently pointed out that these particular criticisms wouldn't be much of a surprise to anyone who was paying attention--and haven't come as a surprise to me.
Cheers, ice
| 894 |
FrogMarch Mon, Jul 6, 2009 7:16:25am |
| 895 |
freetoken Mon, Jul 6, 2009 7:17:20am |
re: #892 taxfreekiller
300 or so Laup Nor's spoiled it for me,
spent some time getting in the loons faces,
ended up in a conversation that they and
the org. in charge did not like [...]
Good to hear someone stood up to them.
| 896 |
BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jul 6, 2009 7:18:51am |
re: #891 formercorpsman
Your remarks in #777 are sleight of hand. To simply dismiss his past motivations, and actions as happenstance, seems a little disingenuous.
BTW-- I disagree with your characterisation of my remarks at 777. I think Obama's professors and papers ought to be given the same weight as those of any undergraduate-- which means, his aren't any more indicative of the adult person than any of ours are.
Hope your baseball teams did well--
ice
| 897 |
jpd158 Mon, Jul 6, 2009 7:38:37am |
Charles:
May I ask why you are not a "big fan" of the Tea Parties? Whether you agree with them or not, isn't it a good thing that people are exercising their rights to free speech and assembly? Isn't that what the democratic process is all about?
I can't see you not being a big fan of free speech and assembly. Therefore, the only thing left is that you're not a big fan of their message. Want to pay higher taxes? Off you go. Many other don't.
Cordially,
JPD158
| 898 |
TennLion Mon, Jul 6, 2009 7:48:42am |
One possible implication is ... the lack of news coverage validates conservative conspiracy theories. When you know big things are happening that are not being covered in the news, the implication could be that other big things are also happening and not being covered.
| 899 |
Tatterdemalian Mon, Jul 6, 2009 8:02:15am |
re: #897 jpd158
Charles:
May I ask why you are not a "big fan" of the Tea Parties? Whether you agree with them or not, isn't it a good thing that people are exercising their rights to free speech and assembly? Isn't that what the democratic process is all about?
I'm thinking it's mostly because overblown protests are one of the tactics "progressive" moonbats use, and it doesn't look that much less ridiculous when conservatives do it. Sometimes you fight fire with fire, other times trying that just gets you burned... and without the media circus that surrounded the moonbats, protest by any means other than organized influence peddling (or armed insurrection) is pointless.
| 900 |
BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jul 6, 2009 8:06:24am |
re: #899 Tatterdemalian
without the media circus that surrounded the moonbats, protest by any means other than organized influence peddling (or armed insurrection) is pointless.
I'm truly hoping that you're joking about 'armed insurrection'.
| 901 |
Optimizer Mon, Jul 6, 2009 8:10:49am |
I had too much going on to concern myself about Tea Parties last weekend, but I thought my fellow lizards might enjoy a couple of 4th of July tidbits:
1) This lizard was proudly carrying the flag for a group in a parade.
2) I usually see our state senator there, but this time he was, er, preoccupied. You see, we're in New York State, so he was hangin' with the Gov', and the other Senators, over in Albany all weekend...
I know Charles doesn't care for Tea Parties (considers them to be ineffective Paulian events, IIRC), but I salute their efforts nonetheless. I think of Ron Paul as a sort of Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde - half his policies are refreshingly libertarian, while half are stark-raving mad. I guess it's a paleolibertarian vs. neolibertarian thing. Anyway, the Tea Parties seem to be supported by the sane half, and are not (as I understand it) purely Paulian events anyway. If some white supremicist, anti-semetic, crazies want to try to get some attention using Tea Parties, that's an unfortunate reality, but the Tea Parties are about neither white supremicism nor anti-semitism.
| 902 |
Optimizer Mon, Jul 6, 2009 8:24:49am |
re: #900 iceweasel
without the media circus that surrounded the moonbats, protest by any means other than organized influence peddling (or armed insurrection) is pointless.
I'm truly hoping that you're joking about 'armed insurrection'.
I took that as an observation, not a recommendation, myself, but I don't get a vote.
I appreciate (and understand) the rule against advocating violence, but it always struck me as ironic - with the commonplace reverence for the Founders in here - that John Adams would have had his butt thrown outta here. This is just not the place for that stuff; Charles has not signed up for the problems that sort of thing could bring (who can blame him?), and he probably would be very much against that sort of thing anyway. His "house", his rules.
| 903 |
Tatterdemalian Mon, Jul 6, 2009 8:27:03am |
re: #900 iceweasel
without the media circus that surrounded the moonbats, protest by any means other than organized influence peddling (or armed insurrection) is pointless.
I'm truly hoping that you're joking about 'armed insurrection'.
It's a last resort... but it's still there, beneath all the layers of laws and social compacts that drive civilized society. Once it's used, of course, either the insurrection or the civilized society gets wiped out, and either way, it's terribly wasteful in terms of human lives and economic potential. But, just as the wasteful barter system continues to operate as the default state of economic interaction, "might makes right" will be always be the default state of political interaction for as long as the human race remains mortal. Money and laws can supersede these basic aspects of human nature, but never eliminate them. If the money is rendered worthless by failure of the economy, the barter system returns as the "black market," and if the legal system is twisted until it no longer represents the will of the people, force of arms becomes the most effictive way to force obedience from others.
| 904 |
wkeller Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:02:52am |
37,000 in Dallas alone - hardly peanuts.
Of course, the MSM would preferr this be ignored. Imagine if they had every been able to rustle up 37.000 for an Iraq war protest - we would have never heard the end of it.
Millions protested, few covered.
Our nation under Obama.
| 905 |
BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:09:27am |
re: #903 Tatterdemalian
Living in a democracy means sometimes the other guy wins.
You don't call for armed insurrection because you lost an election. This kind of talk is becoming far too common on the right, -- it is appearing even on mainstream outlets -- and it has consequences.
I'm choosing to interpret your remarks as hyperbole and as an abstract philosophical discussion, with no intent on your part to apply to today's situation-- and certainly not as a serious suggestion.
| 906 |
altermite Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:34:38am |
My mother always taught me that asking someone outright who they voted for was the height of rudeness, on a level with asking someone how much money they made or how many times they went to church, especially if they had stated that they were not interested in discussing the matter.
My mother, who is an attorney, and unlike Bundy, did not get her degree from the internet, also told me that harassment was illegal as hell, and grounds for a suit.
If Bundy was a lawyer, he would know that.
| 907 |
Optimizer Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:38:00am |
re: #905 iceweasel
Living in a democracy means sometimes the other guy wins.
You don't call for armed insurrection because you lost an election. This kind of talk is becoming far too common on the right, -- it is appearing even on mainstream outlets -- and it has consequences.
I'm choosing to interpret your remarks as hyperbole and as an abstract philosophical discussion, with no intent on your part to apply to today's situation-- and certainly not as a serious suggestion.
I can't speak for Tatterdemalian, but I don't really see how "interpretation" is called for here. The remarks in question are neither "hyperbole", "abstract", nor "serious suggestion", and it is left to the reader to decide for themselves whether there is applicability to "today's situation".
As to your more general sermonizing, I'm not going to defend any "pitchfork" rhetoric, but I do refer you to the Preamble of the Declaration of Independence for a timely review of the general principles that should be at play here.
| 908 |
formercorpsman Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:45:35am |
re: #893 iceweasel
I have been reading, albeit less due to my 2 boys, and baseball.
But I am curious, I can't say I've read much criticism of the current situation in your posts. Not saying you have not, but not to my attention at least.
Out of curiosity, what would be your top 3 criticisms?
| 909 |
formercorpsman Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:59:03am |
re: #896 iceweasel
I beg to differ. His campaign was busy citing his academic accomplishments, community organizing, and books, to bolster a record that otherwise leaves a little bit to be desired as far as experience for the top position of employment.
Moreover, & rightfully so, many people here are astute in pointing out different officials within the public domain who have ties, past records, or questionable associations. To simply assuage youthful indiscretion, considering his trajectory thereafter is tuning a blind eye to what I am noting.
It would be one thing given a departure from such a past, but the path he subsequently followed was anything but moderate.
I would say, familiarize yourself with the New Party he was involved with. I think that would lend justifiable criticism concerning how this are going now.
| 910 |
Wendya Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:16:28am |
re: #907 Optimizer
As to your more general sermonizing, I'm not going to defend any "pitchfork" rhetoric, but I do refer you to the Preamble of the Declaration of Independence for a timely review of the general principles that should be at play here.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
The ballot box is always the first choice. Revolutions become necessary only when the government abolishes the laws, rules by fiat and uses force against citizens. Due to our sheer numbers and an armed populace, it is unlikely we will ever reach that stage.
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drcordell Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:17:26am |
re: #904 wkeller
37,000 in Dallas alone - hardly peanuts.
Of course, the MSM would preferr this be ignored. Imagine if they had every been able to rustle up 37.000 for an Iraq war protest - we would have never heard the end of it.
Millions protested, few covered.
Our nation under Obama.
There were hundreds of thousands of people who gathered to protest the Iraq war in America, and millions across the world. Source
And they were not covered at all, because CNN and the rest of the MSM were so excited about their embedded reporters and live shots of "shock and awe" bombing. Conservatives are not a persecuted minority. Nobody covered the "tea parties" because Sarah Palin resigned and Michael Jackson died. Teabagging can't compete with those stories.
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Optimizer Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:27:40am |
re: #910 Wendya
Exactly! And, I like to think so, too, but sometimes I'm not so sure these days.
Let's just say that it's a matter of opinion where to draw the line, and I respect that some people are more excitable, and have a shorter fuse than I do. Let's keep our fingers crossed that it gets better before it gets worse. 2010 may turn out to be important in this regard.
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Wendya Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:30:49am |
re: #911 drcordell
There were hundreds of thousands of people who gathered to protest the Iraq war in America, and millions across the world. Source
And they were not covered at all, because CNN and the rest of the MSM were so excited about their embedded reporters and live shots of "shock and awe" bombing. Conservatives are not a persecuted minority. Nobody covered the "tea parties" because Sarah Palin resigned and Michael Jackson died. Teabagging can't compete with those stories.
They were not covered at all? Oh, really? [Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
Teabagging? You might want to lighten up on the leftist contempt for citizens expressing their opinions. It just makes you look childish and petty.
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Wendya Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:40:50am |
re: #912 Optimizer
Exactly! And, I like to think so, too, but sometimes I'm not so sure these days.
Let's just say that it's a matter of opinion where to draw the line, and I respect that some people are more excitable, and have a shorter fuse than I do. Let's keep our fingers crossed that it gets better before it gets worse. 2010 may turn out to be important in this regard.
For me personally, the line is drawn only when there is a wholesale slaughter of the constitution and the rule of law is supplanted by the rule of man. And even then, you'd better hope a sizable chunk of the population feels the same way or any actions taken will be be in vain. Between cap 'n trade, healthcare and the deficit, I suspect there will be some disgruntled people in 2010 including democrats that may decide it's better to be a blue dog than lose their seats. It took democrats fear of the electorate to finally halt FDR's march across America.
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:51:19am |
re: #906 altermite
My mother always taught me that asking someone outright who they voted for was the height of rudeness, on a level with asking someone how much money they made or how many times they went to church, especially if they had stated that they were not interested in discussing the matter.
My mother, who is an attorney, and unlike Bundy, did not get her degree from the internet, also told me that harassment was illegal as hell, and grounds for a suit.
If Bundy was a lawyer, he would know that.
You had a good and wise mother.
I've no problem volunteering who I voted for and who I campaigned for. I've done that in pleasant conversations with many here, more than once. It's hardly news.
Like many other people, I object to demands to know who I voted for, demands to know if I voted and how many times I've voted in a presidential election, demands that I prove whether I'm an American, and demands to know what political party I belong to. (All of which have happened more than once in the last few days, and from more than one person unfortunately. )
Your mother was right that such demands are the height of rudeness, but I think they also betray a deeper problem which I'd even extrapolate to the GOP as a whole at the moment. They've internalised a kind of "you're with us or against us!" mentality that can brook no criticism. It's like the drive to cast nearly everyone as a RINO. This is not the way to regroup after an electoral defeat.
Look at the Democrats in 2000. They didn't start to get their act together again until 2005, because they were too busy blaming everyone but themselves for their electoral failures.
( ( (altermite) ) )
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BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:06:00am |
re: #908 formercorpsman
I have been reading, albeit less due to my 2 boys, and baseball.
But I am curious, I can't say I've read much criticism of the current situation in your posts. Not saying you have not, but not to my attention at least.
Out of curiosity, what would be your top 3 criticisms?
If you haven't noticed me criticising Obama, it's only because you've been busy--and because lately many people are more interested in playing "hunt the heretic" than in having a discussion.
I can give you a laundry list of grievances against Obama from the progressive left anytime, and I've mentioned all of those here repeatedly.
I'm not interested in turning this into "what iceweasel personally likes and dislikes about Obama", because that's what my own blog is for. It wouldn't advance the discussion here. I'd enjoy having that conversation with you, but on a different thread and at a different time.
I will say that one of my main areas of interest is civil liberties and executive power, and Obama has in every instance chosen to maintain or extend Bush policies in that area. I could easily rattle off several decisions in this area, far more than 3, that I disagree with.
Some on the left might be surprised, but I am not: it was obvious to anyone who cared about those issues that Obama would behave exactly as he has.
I had problems with those policies and decisions when Bush made them, and that doesn't change now that Obama is doing the same thing. Fortunately some others on the left are also capable of seeing that if they thought something was wrong when Bush did it, it doesn't become okay when Obama does it.
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mobaby Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:07:52am |
I have been to a few tea parties in Houston and my feeling is that it is a dying movement. I think a juggernaut of deficit spending unparalleled in the history of the world will continue our way, along with a government health care system, and a huge tax increase on Energy. The tea party movement, nor anything else, is going to stop this. The tea party movement is populated with a number of people in Houston - Ayn Rand enthusiasts, Ron Paulians, black conservatives (Raging elephants dot org), John Birchers, and others who may be or may not be interested in the same things. I went out of fear of economic collapse in the US precipitated by unsound economic practices - but the movement lacks focus or direction and has a lot of people latching on for their own causes. The speakers were uninteresting, the crowd uninspired, and the future direction unclear. People don't care and won't care - get your own economics in order, make plans for your personal future should the economy continue to sink, plan for your own well being - this is all we can do. Don't wast time any more on tea parties or arguing against this or that in politics, these things just have to play out. The rising economic star is China - keep your eyes on that powerhouse, for they are about to explode with prosperity and further become the center of the world.
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Optimizer Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:13:14am |
re: #914 Wendya
For me personally, the line is drawn only when there is a wholesale slaughter of the constitution and the rule of law is supplanted by the rule of man. And even then, you'd better hope a sizable chunk of the population feels the same way or any actions taken will be be in vain. Between cap 'n trade, healthcare and the deficit, I suspect there will be some disgruntled people in 2010 including democrats that may decide it's better to be a blue dog than lose their seats. It took democrats fear of the electorate to finally halt FDR's march across America.
I should have added the observation that they left out (in the Declaration of Independence) the part about "but be a good sport and go along with the tyranny of the majority, should that happen."
re: #905 iceweasel
I don't worry as much about the rule of law and the Constitution so much (although that IS an issue), but about the tyranny of the majority. This represents more of a threat to the "inalienble rights" than to the Constitution (which has been selectively adhered to, anyways - just look at the 9th & 10th Amendments). Socialized medicine represents a threat to "Life", overburdensome regulations threaten "Liberty", and (take-your-pick) policies moving toward socialism threaten "the Pursuit of Happiness".
If a sufficient majority is on board with abridging the inalienable rights, what recourse does the minority have? When a gang threatens your business by throwing rocks though your shop's windows, you can call a cop. What do you do when it's the cop that comes to shut you down, as a result of insane govt policies?
A certain amount of that can be shrugged off as the unfortunate result of an imperfect system, but when it becomes widespread and systemic - and obviously intentional - you might have a problem on your hands. And the first symptom might be people starting to have Tea Parties...
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Optimizer Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:29:15am |
re: #917 mobaby
... People don't care and won't care - get your own economics in order, make plans for your personal future should the economy continue to sink, plan for your own well being - this is all we can do. Don't wast time any more on tea parties or arguing against this or that in politics, these things just have to play out. The rising economic star is China - keep your eyes on that powerhouse, for they are about to explode with prosperity and further become the center of the world.
You may be right on a lot of this, but this seems unnecessarily defeatist.
I wish I knew how to plan for my own well being - the threat of taxes and inflation puts my savings at risk (and I don't think "gold" is the answer), the forward march of socialism threatens my investments, and the economic fallout even threatens foreign investments one might make.
But what you're missing is that people voicing their opinions is part of how these things "play out". We still have elections in this country.
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jvic Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:52:29am |
I have trouble putting my concerns about complexity into words. ShanghaiEd, your post moved me to try again. What follows is only a first cut.
re: #814 ShanghaiEd
I guess the reason I feel a double standard here is that, for years, anybody who did well in college was called an "elitist" and an "egghead" by GOP pundits. President Bush referred to himself as a C student and got applause. John McCain said he ranked 894th in a class of 899 and nobody suggested it should be held against him, or insinuated that he somehow got favorable career treatment because his father was an admiral.
But McCain and Bush made it clear that the mediocre grades didn't happen because they weren't smart, but because they didn't try. It's as if they said, "I waited for real life to use my brains. That sissy schoolwork wasn't important to me." Afaic their boasting seems a bit childish (McCain and Bush were rebellious in youth).
Reagan neither boasted nor apologized for his modest pedigree. He educated himself and developed his core beliefs, and his tactical decisions were grounded in those convictions. IMO the contrast with Bush and McCain (also with the dutiful Bush 41) is obvious.
Why do we suddenly need an academic whiz in charge of things? What changed?
Core principles are essential. Competence is essential. Ideas are essential. Pedigrees are not essential.
We don't need an academic whiz, but we need someone who understands that our society has been deliberately impaired by complexity that special interests have introduced for their own purposes. The metastasized system of laws and government regulations is the biggest example, but there are others.
Obviously, a technology-based civilization involves complexity. My point is that the parasitical complexity has been deliberately intermingled with constructive complexity so one can't be removed without disrupting the other. (Not to mention unintended consequences.) This threatens to bring the nation to stagnation or even collapse. We don't need academic whizzes as leaders, but we do need people who understand how a.w.'s operate: we need people who will undo the harm facilitated by a.w.'s and preserve & cultivate the benefits.
I'd love to see a leader who has an ordinary background and demonstrates a core understanding of the Founders, Hayek, Friedman, etc. A core understanding: this isn't 1960, let alone 1790. (I thought Palin would grow into such a leader but she increasingly disappoints me.)
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Tatterdemalian Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:50:17pm |
re: #905 iceweasel
Living in a democracy means sometimes the other guy wins.
Indeed it does, but the well-designed democracy never presumes that all its citizens would rather accept losing a vote over losing the democracy. In fact, wasn't that the impetus for all the Code Pink protests, the fact that the Democrats lost the vote and they couldn't accept it? Their weapons were pens rather than swords, but pens can be mightier than swords if the words they write reach enough people (and completely ineffective if they do not).
You don't call for armed insurrection because you lost an election. This kind of talk is becoming far too common on the right, -- it is appearing even on mainstream outlets -- and it has consequences.
You really think words are more important than actions, then? That calling for insurrection is as bad as launching one, possibly even worse? Even when I was a moonbat myself I never went that far, which is probably what made it possible for me to finally grow up.
I'm choosing to interpret your remarks as hyperbole and as an abstract philosophical discussion, with no intent on your part to apply to today's situation-- and certainly not as a serious suggestion.
Personally, I sleep better at night knowing that a Honduras-style coup could happen here, if President Obama forgets that even presidents have to obey the law, than I would believing he could never be removed from office even if he robbed the Watergate Hotel at gunpoint and shot Monica Lewinsky on his way out.
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boiledwombat Mon, Jul 6, 2009 3:19:49pm |
re: #910 Wendya
With ACORN reportedly given control of five billion dollars in funding as part of the recent "stimulus" bill, the ballot box may cease to be a meaningful choice by 2010. To paraphrase Stalin: the people who cast votes do not matter - the people who count the votes matter.
We have just seen a practical example of this in Iran.
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katemaclaren Mon, Jul 6, 2009 7:42:59pm |
re: #917 mobaby
I was in Dallas at a tea party--estimates are around 40,000 give or take a thousand.
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capt26thga Tue, Jul 7, 2009 5:28:32pm |
Taxed Enough Already the St Augustine Fl (oldest city in the USA) TEA party was quite a success. People start getting tired of the status quo government. They talk, they protest, they argue with their peers, if things continue to get worse the protests become more vigorous. If the govt ignores or continues in a downward path protests tend to become more violent in nature. Our forefathers had the courage and conviction to stand up against the most powerful superpower in the world over a 5percent tax. There are those among us who are seething boiling mad over the way our country is being run and the frivolous way our money is spent. In some states people are whispering about secession.
TEA parties, rallies and other protests should send a warning. Its happened before, twice, 1774 and 1860.
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