Poll: Was Palin’s Resignation a Smart Move?

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Uh oh. 61% of Americans think Sarah Palin’s resignation as governor of Alaska was a bad move.

(CNN) – A new national poll suggests that most Americans don’t think Sarah Palin’s decision to step down as Alaska governor was a smart political move.

Sixty-one percent of people questioned in a Marist survey released Tuesday say Palin’s resignation was a bad political move, while 15 percent feel it helps whatever political aspirations last year’s Republican vice presidential nominee may have in the future. Eleven percent said it makes no difference, and 13 percent were unsure of its impact. Even among Republicans, 51 percent think the move hurt more than helped, with one in five GOP voters saying it was a smart move.

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1 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:39:41pm

Palin’s appeal was to represent the Vox Populi.

Well the Vox Populi has spoken.

2 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:39:52pm
3 Pianobuff  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:40:24pm

…I think I hear Cato’s footsteps walking briskly into the thread.

4 Lee Coller  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:41:28pm

I’m not sure if it was a smart political move. It definitely was a smart personal move, makes it easier to raise funds for legal defense for all the frivolous charges.

5 latingent  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:41:40pm

Wish she would have served out her term, but the hate and misogyny directed at this woman has been beyond the pale. She has struck a nerve with something but I`m not sure what it is. I do think shes a survivor though.

6 freetoken  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:42:17pm

One thing to remember: the depletion of the oil from Prudhoe Bay means declining revenue for the state of Alaska. The state will need to raise taxes, and evidently Sarah didn’t want to be the one to do that. This is one of the working theories on why she decided to bail now.

If that is true, then it was probably a good idea for her to bail. For her to culture her pristine image as a True conservative she can’t be seen as having raised taxes.

7 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:42:35pm
Even among Republicans, 51 percent think the move hurt more than helped, with one in five GOP voters saying it was a smart move.

A shrinking support base isn’t the best position from which to launch a campaign. Ever.

8 Dainn  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:42:47pm

I bet the same 61% agreed the sky was blue, while a minorty thought it was more of a teal.

Of course it was a bad political move. The question is was it a good move for her, Sarah Palin, the citizen?

9 jill e  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:43:47pm

“Bad” depending on the “why.”

10 LSD  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:44:42pm

Brilliant…

11 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:44:51pm

Since the left hasn’t dug up any major scandals yet, I’m guessing this really was for personal reasons and she probably isn’t going to be making a run for the WH in 2012.

12 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:44:55pm

I would have been more worried if the American public thought that walking away for your duties somehow was a good or smart move.

In other news:

WND casts doubt on Obama’s birth certificate by citing his MySpace page.

13 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:45:00pm

I still don’t understand exactly why she did it.

14 jill e  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:45:08pm

Whether you liked “death panels” or not, she’s still getting press and may still be affecting policy.

15 filetandrelease  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:45:24pm

In unrelated news, 51% of the people thought Barak Obama would make a good president.

16 Diamond Bullet  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:45:29pm

I don’t understand why people are still talking about her. They don’t even talk about that wandering gaffemaster, whatshisface - Biden - who actually is VP. He showed up at that “beer summit” and it took me a good second to remember who he was.

17 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:45:35pm

It was a bad idea for her to resign. What her resignation did was to ruin her credibility and integrity. By resigning, she looks like a coward running away from duty.

18 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:45:53pm

oh, I thought you were posting a poll!

it was just about as brilliant a move as was her running as McCain’s veep.

— hot links
resignation: looking for income after resignation?
in the future: fidelity investments

guffaw

19 KenJen  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:45:53pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

A shrinking support base isn’t the best position from which to launch a campaign. Ever.

Oh noes. What’s Obama gonna do in 2012? He’s got shrinkage going on.

20 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:45:57pm

re: #16 Diamond Bullet

I don’t understand why people are still talking about her. They don’t even talk about that wandering gaffemaster, whatshisface - Biden - who actually is VP. He showed up at that “beer summit” and it took me a good second to remember who he was.

Maybe if he wore red high heels?

21 bagua  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:45:58pm

re: #6 freetoken

Interesting theory, not seen anything else so far that makes any sense except that she could not take the strain on a personal level.

22 gregb  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:46:21pm

We all love underdogs—no sense in making it too easy.

23 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:46:28pm
24 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:47:27pm

re: #12 HAL2010

I would have been more worried if the American public thought that walking away for your duties somehow was a good or smart move.

In other news:

WND casts doubt on Obama’s birth certificate by citing his MySpace page.

Still makes no difference. Born in Hawai’i as a state or a territory, it was still US soil regardless. They tried this shit to Goldwater when he ran, claiming that Arizona’s status as a territory (when he was born) would make him ineligible to run.

25 JarHeadLifer  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:47:27pm

Three years is an eternity in politics, but I don’t see Palin recovering from this mistake in time for the 2012 election. I don’t know if she’s done irreparable harm to herself, but it’s certainly harm that she’ll suffer from for the foreseeable future.

26 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:47:30pm

Palins 1st responsibility (as is yours and mine) is to her family. With huge legal bills piled up, it’s tough to pay that back on $125,000, considering there are probably extra expenses for Trig (therapys, etc)

27 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:47:31pm

re: #3 Pianobuff

…I think I hear Cato’s footsteps walking briskly into the thread.

Nah, dead run.

28 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:47:36pm

re: #5 latingent

Wish she would have served out her term, but the hate and misogyny directed at this woman has been beyond the pale. She has struck a nerve with something but I`m not sure what it is. I do think shes a survivor though.

FWIW, all criticism of Palin is not mysoginistic just as all criticism of Obama is not racist.

I liked Palin when she first appeared - she seemed like an authentic newcomer. And the left threw a lot at her, most of which was unfair.

But here is the thing - politics is a profoundly unfair business. That will never change. Only skilled politicians can turn disadvantage to advantage.

Obama is skilled.

Palin is not.

Neither is particularly qualified to lead this country, yet one is President and the other resigned as Governor and is booking speaking gigs.

I won’t invest any time or energy in her - she will never make it.

29 Lee Coller  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:47:50pm

Channeling Cato:

Of course it was a stupid move, it’s Palin

//

30 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:47:55pm

re: #17 Honorary Yooper

please see and consider #26

31 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:48:07pm

re: #21 bagua

Interesting theory, not seen anything else so far that makes any sense except that she could not take the strain on a personal level.

Actually, was it her, or her kids? They, including the minors, were getting mud thrown at them, and I know I would have gone ballistic.

32 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:48:42pm

re: #24 Honorary Yooper

I love how somehow his myspace page proves it, while all the evidence produced that proves he was born in Hawaii means nothing. Gotta love their logic.

33 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:48:43pm

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

To be fair, whether it was “a smart move” or not depends on what Palin plans on doing post-resignation—which is something we, and certainly those polled, don’t know.

So actually, it’s kind of a silly question, and answering it is merely buying into the trash-Palin industry.

There seems to be no bottom to how low Palin bashing can sink.

34 bagua  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:49:06pm

re: #31 EmmmieG

I agree, no sane person would choose that sort of abuse.

35 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:49:26pm

re: #30 sattv4u2

please see and consider #26

Yes, but then she should stay out of the limelight and keep her opinions to herself instead of being in the media.

36 Dianna  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:49:53pm

It was an awful idea.

Now, she’s irrelevant.

37 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:50:48pm

re: #1 karmic_inquisitor

Palin’s appeal was to represent the Vox Populi.

Well the Vox Populi has spoken.

Is there a vaccine for that?

38 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:50:56pm

re: #4 Lee Coller

I’m not sure if it was a smart political move. It definitely was a smart personal move, makes it easier to raise funds for legal defense for all the frivolous charges.

How is she liable for legal fees or fines for performing state business on the state’s behalf?

39 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:51:03pm

re: #13 EmmmieG

I still don’t understand exactly why she did it.

Avoiding bankruptcy is one theory. The state does not pay to defend the Governor when they are accused of ethics violations. That’s why the left lodged 19 complaints, most completely frivolous. They knew she had to pay out of her own pocket to defend herself.

40 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:51:10pm

re: #31 EmmmieG

Actually, was it her, or her kids? They, including the minors, were getting mud thrown at them, and I know I would have gone ballistic.

I’m just guessing here, but do ya think that Todd Palin would like about ten minutes alone with Letterman?

41 flyovercountry  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:51:16pm

I couldn’t care less about the polls on this one. Gov. Palin owed the people of Alaska the respect of at least finishing out her term as that states chief. The future of her political should not have even been a consideration. What ever her reasons were, I hope what’s best for those people who allowed me this position was chief among them. If Sarah Palin runs for dog catcher, she won’t get my vote.

42 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:51:22pm

re: #38 SixDegrees

How is she liable for legal fees or fines for performing state business on the state’s behalf?

Alaska doesn’t cover them.

43 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:51:26pm

re: #36 Dianna

It was an awful idea.

Now, she’s irrelevant.

Good. Give sthe GOP one less nut to deal with in 2012. It would have been hilarious to see someone like Giuliani or Romney pick her apart in the primaries.

44 kansas  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:51:33pm

re: #36 Dianna

It was an awful idea.

Now, she’s irrelevant.

I would agree other than CNN decided it had to do a new national poll. What’s up with that?

45 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:51:42pm

re: #35 Honorary Yooper

Yes, but then she should stay out of the limelight and keep her opinions to herself instead of being in the media.

She is raising money by going to (wait for it)

SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS to the tune of $10-$20,000 a pop

SPEAKING is what you do at a SPEAKING engagement

46 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:51:58pm

re: #33 opnion

There seems to be no bottom to how low Palin bashing can sink.

We can only criticize republicans that have been placed on the approved RINO list. Any other criticisms of republicans is “bashing” whether they’re legitimate or not because they’re not on the approved RINO list.

Is that about right?

47 JarHeadLifer  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:52:26pm

re: #37 jcm

Is there a vaccine for that?

Not if Jenny McCarthy has her way.

48 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:52:28pm

re: #32 HAL2010

I love how somehow his myspace page proves it, while all the evidence produced that proves he was born in Hawaii means nothing. Gotta love their logic.

“But…but…but…but it’s on the Internet! And…I’m on the Internet! Which makes me important! So it must be important, too!

Yeah, yeah…that’s it!”

49 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:52:42pm

re: #38 SixDegrees

How is she liable for legal fees or fines for performing state business on the state’s behalf?

The state of Alaska allows any loon with a grudge to submit an ethics complaint. The state also requires the Governor to pay to defend their actions out of their own pocket.

50 Kragar  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:52:43pm

re: #44 kansas

I would agree other than CNN decided it had to do a new national poll. What’s up with that?

They’ll keep her in the spotlight as long as they can to keep it off Barry.

51 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:52:54pm

re: #37 jcm

Is there a vaccine for that?

Are you one of those anti-Vox nuts Charles has been posting about?

52 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:53:22pm

Later.

53 kansas  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:53:49pm

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They’ll keep her in the spotlight as long as they can to keep it off Barry.

So the amount of Palin news we get in the MSM is directly proportional to how bad the ONE is floundering?

54 KenJen  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:53:53pm

re: #49 Wendya

The state of Alaska allows any loon with a grudge to submit an ethics complaint. The state also requires the Governor to pay to defend their actions out of their own pocket.

She should represent herself.

55 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:54:02pm

re: #42 eschew_obfuscation

Alaska doesn’t cover them.

Nor does the state allow her to raise private funds to pay. Her legal defense fund came under fire at the end and was a subject of an…ethics complaint.

56 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:54:04pm

re: #48 SixDegrees

“But…but…but…but it’s on the Internet! And…I’m on the Internet! Which makes me important! So it must be important, too!

Yeah, yeah…that’s it!”

If you read it on the internet, it’s probably true. If it was written in LOLSPEAK and/or is accompanied by a picture of a cat, it more certainly is.

57 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:55:03pm

re: #36 Dianna

It was an awful idea.

Now, she’s irrelevant.

I don’t know. Say all you want about the veracity of the “death panel” comment, but it got attention and it got results. Out of office she can better play the game of gadfly. And continued attacks on her, unlike those on folks like Newt, end up making the Democrats look worse.

The question is whether she can transform herself successfully into a spokeswoman for a large enough subset of the right to force the Dems to respond, or if she’ll drift off into Buchanan loony-land. I doubt the latter; I think she is actually pretty smart.

58 Kragar  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:55:31pm

re: #53 kansas

So the amount of Palin news we get in the MSM is directly proportional to how bad the ONE is floundering?

Not directly, but anything they can use to deflect the issue away from him, they will.

59 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:55:38pm

re: #36 Dianna

It was an awful idea.

Now, she’s irrelevant.

Not really, she does a Facebook posting & in less than a week a provision is removed from the Health proposal. I would say that she is relevant.

60 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:55:58pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

I thought Rhinos were an endangered species and thus subject to all kinds of legal protection.

61 Bagua  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:56:24pm

re: #57 Lucius Septimius

Alternatively… perhaps the Republicans could try a different tactic in 2012 and run some-one electable.

62 Dianna  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:56:30pm

re: #44 kansas

I would agree other than CNN decided it had to do a new national poll. What’s up with that?

Spitting cat-fights on the right?

Because little as I care about Sarah Palin, I get rather upset by the terms cast around about her.

63 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:56:42pm

re: #49 Wendya

The state of Alaska allows any loon with a grudge to submit an ethics complaint. The state also requires the Governor to pay to defend their actions out of their own pocket.

They are a lot like slap suits.

64 avanti  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:56:43pm

re: #12 HAL2010

I would have been more worried if the American public thought that walking away for your duties somehow was a good or smart move.

In other news:

WND casts doubt on Obama’s birth certificate by citing his MySpace page.

I’m 100 years old on Myspace. :)

65 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:57:02pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

We can only criticize republicans that have been placed on the approved RINO list. Any other criticisms of republicans is “bashing” whether they’re legitimate or not because they’re not on the approved RINO list.

Is that about right?

Just remember - criticism of a SoCon is a violation of the 11th commndment whereas chasing out RINOs is a duty.

Competence is not something SoCons care about - it is about passing litmus tests that measure the passion with which one supports the SoCon agenda. McCain (who has always been pro-life) got the stay home treatment because his passion was in questions.

This is what happens when a political party is handed over to zealots.

66 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:57:15pm

re: #61 Bagua

Oh, I don’t think she’ll run — that’s sort of the point. It’s better to have the attack dog off stage.

67 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:57:23pm

re: #59 opnion

Not really, she does a Facebook posting & in less than a week a provision is removed from the Health proposal. I would say that she is relevant.

Yeah, because it was her post that did it, not the wrangling in the house that sorted that out. Promise.
Don’t overestimate coverage. Or lack thereof.

68 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:57:46pm

re: #42 eschew_obfuscation

Alaska doesn’t cover them.

Interesting. Most of these suits, though, were settled almost immediately, out of court. Some of them resulted in Palin paying money back to the state; others, moving money from one account to another; the rest never even made it to trial because the judge reviewing them found them frivolous - anyone can sue anyone for anything, but a court isn’t obligated to hear the case if it’s obviously ridiculous, as so many of these were. I’m not aware that any of them have even come close to going to trial.

Where did these numbers come from originally?

69 Bagua  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:57:55pm

re: #66 Lucius Septimius

Good point, she may be searching for her niche.

70 Dianna  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:57:58pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

The sheer ugliness and emptiness of some of what’s said about Palin is…well, it just leaves me aghast.

71 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:58:17pm

re: #57 Lucius Septimius

Say all you want about the veracity of the “death panel” comment, but it got attention and it got results.

Hooray for disingenuousness!

72 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:58:23pm

re: #64 avanti

I’m 100 years old on Myspace. :)

I’m 26, buff and rich…

73 FQ Kafir  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:58:28pm

Palin could surprise a lot of people. She may not be the brightest bulb in the bunch, but speeches like the one she gave at the RNC are appealing to many on the right (and some on the moderate left).

If she can tune her message better, tone down the religious rhetoric, and exaggerate less, she could be a major force in American politics.

74 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:58:34pm

I agree that she should not have resigned, but I can also understand how she grew weary of the ankle-biters and their one-after-another ethics complaints. She was in a no-win situation.

75 pleaseandthankyou  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:58:36pm

IMHO, political suicide. When the going got tough, she quit.

76 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:58:58pm

re: #64 avanti

I don’t even have myspace. Does this mean I was never born?

/enters twilight zone

77 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:59:16pm
78 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:59:28pm

re: #64 avanti

I’m 100 years old on Myspace. :)

That’ll be the new thing - how old is that in MySpace years?

79 Bloodnok  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:59:33pm

re: #73 FQ Kafir

Palin could surprise a lot of people. She may not be the brightest bulb in the bunch, but speeches like the one she gave at the RNC are appealing to many on the right (and some on the moderate left).

If she can tune her message better, tone down the religious rhetoric, and exaggerate less, she could be a major force in American politics.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

80 aggieann  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:59:51pm

re: #71 Sharmuta

Hooray for disingenuousness!

More like, hooray for playing by the enemy’s rule book (Alinsky) for a change.

81 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:59:57pm

re: #25 JarHeadLifer

Three years is an eternity in politics, but I don’t see Palin recovering from this mistake in time for the 2012 election. I don’t know if she’s done irreparable harm to herself, but it’s certainly harm that she’ll suffer from for the foreseeable future.

I agree with you, but who knows where we’ll be in three years time.

82 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:59:58pm

re: #68 SixDegrees

I’m not aware that any of them have even come close to going to trial

A case doesn’t have to ‘go to trial” for you to rack up a large legal bill. Lawyers charger per hour, whether they are in court, talking to you in an office, at a restaurant, or doing research for you without youy even being prestnt or aware that at that hour(s) they are ‘working” for you

83 Pianobuff  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:00:03pm

re: #65 karmic_inquisitor

Just remember - criticism of a SoCon is a violation of the 11th commndment whereas chasing out RINOs is a duty.

Competence is not something SoCons care about - it is about passing litmus tests that measure the passion with which one supports the SoCon agenda. McCain (who has always been pro-life) got the stay home treatment because his passion was in questions.

This is what happens when a political party is handed over to zealots.

Was con base turnout proven to be down in 2008?

84 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:00:08pm

re: #67 HAL2010

Yeah, because it was her post that did it, not the wrangling in the house that sorted that out. Promise.
Don’t overestimate coverage. Or lack thereof.

She introduced it into the conversation & the sponsers backed down.
Like Palin or not, she does have some power.

85 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:00:14pm

re: #70 Dianna

The sheer ugliness and emptiness of some of what’s said about Palin is…well, it just leaves me aghast.

Very true. I’m also a bit aghast at the insults hurled at her. Have legitimate criticisms of the woman (goodness knows I do), please, but do not stoop to the misogynistic insults I’ve seen thrown about by certain commentors here.

86 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:00:30pm

re: #59 opnion

Not really, she does a Facebook posting & in less than a week a provision is removed from the Health proposal. I would say that she is relevant.

Can she do enough Facebook postings that all the provisions get dropped?

87 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:00:39pm

re: #79 Bloodnok

Sometimes I laugh so hard that I cry.

88 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:00:52pm

The question, it seems to me, is not whether it was a smart move, rather, whether it was the responsible one to make as governor of a state, and I say yes.
Considering all factors, chiefly the nuisance suits she was constantly swatting, the attention taken away from executive duties that her family desperately needed thanks to the vultures, and numerous other distractions, only a narcissist would have insisted on remaining in office.
Her resignation may have had a political motivation… she may have lost the stomach for the fight… it may have been the money.. but at its heart, it was the responsibility to the people of Alaska that she upheld.

89 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:01:19pm

re: #80 aggieann

More like, hooray for playing by the enemy’s rule book (Alinsky) for a change.

Hooray for embracing hypocrisy!

90 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:01:39pm

re: #82 sattv4u2

I’m not aware that any of them have even come close to going to trial

A case doesn’t have to ‘go to trial” for you to rack up a large legal bill. Lawyers charger per hour, whether they are in court, talking to you in an office, at a restaurant, or doing research for you without youy even being prestnt or aware that at that hour(s) they are ‘working” for you

My wife is a criminal defense attorney and spends far more time preparing a case than the time spent in court. A lot more time.

91 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:01:42pm

re: #73 FQ Kafir


If she can tune her message better, tone down the religious rhetoric, and exaggerate less, she could be a major force in American politics.

Which is kind of like saying she could be a major force in American politics is she were someone else.

92 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:01:56pm

re: #38 SixDegrees

How is she liable for legal fees or fines for performing state business on the state’s behalf?

And may I add to your question: Any more so than the many thousands of politicians before her who have had to deal with the exact same crap.

I hate to use the phrase “reverse misogyny”, but there seems to be an element of that in Palin super-fans who defend her for quitting her elected position because of how awfully hard the public life has been for her. Like she’s some “poor wittle girl” having to endure media bullies in a way that no one has in the history of politics, like, evah!

93 Bloodnok  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:02:01pm

re: #80 aggieann

More like, hooray for playing by the enemy’s rule book (Alinsky) for a change.

DRINK!

94 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:02:03pm

Speaking of smart moves, I do hope that you all have gotten around to getting Spotify?
It is just amazing.

95 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:02:13pm

re: #87 HAL2010

Sometimes I laugh so hard that I cry.

Senator Al Franken…

96 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:02:33pm

I’m going to disagree with sixty percent of America. I think it was a smart move for Sarah. I think she can’t cut it in a serious position, but she’s great at rhetoric and grenade throwing. I think she’s going on to a career as an Iconic pundit and rainmaker for a certain crowd.

97 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:02:41pm

re: #70 Dianna

The sheer ugliness and emptiness of some of what’s said about Palin is…well, it just leaves me aghast.

While I agree, there are many ugly things said about almost every politician.

I recall Rush getting very ugly on McCain right up to the nomination.

Ugly is the business of politics. Most people will tune it out if they hear the candidate speak past the ugliness and show a calm, civil demeanor and a competence on the issues that assures them that the ugly charges were made by ideologues.

Ross Perot reinforced all of the ugly thrown at him when he quit mid-campaign and then came back. Palin reinforced the ugly by bailing on the job that she was elected to perform. Will she bail on the next job she is elected to? Valid concern that she can never overcome.

98 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:02:49pm

re: #94 HAL2010

Speaking of smart moves, I do hope that you all have gotten around to getting Spotify?
It is just amazing.

Removes spots?

99 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:02:50pm

re: #90 Kosh’s Shadow

My wife is a criminal defense attorney and spends far more time preparing a case than the time spent in court. A lot more time.

Whe I had my own business I had a lawyer doing work for me. Never once did we have to go to court, but he put one kid through college at my expense!

100 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:02:51pm

re: #70 Dianna

The sheer ugliness and emptiness of some of what’s said about Palin is…well, it just leaves me aghast.

I just don’t get the viciousness of the remarks about the woman.
Going after her family seems like the lowest tactic for the lowest among us.

101 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:03:07pm

re: #80 aggieann

More like, hooray for playing by the enemy’s rule book (Alinsky) for a change.

Alinsky for me, but not for thee?

102 Dianna  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:03:30pm

re: #89 Sharmuta

Hooray for embracing hypocrisy!

Oh, come now!

You and I both objected to some of what was hurled at Hillary Clinton; surely, we can be troubled by some of what’s hurled at Sarah Palin. It doesn’t make either of us supporters (necessarily) of either one’s political positions.

103 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:04:00pm

I don’t honestly think she’s stupid. Or, at least, no more than any other politician. I think Peggy Noonan (who usually annoys the hell out of me) got it right when she said that Palin had two significant weaknesses in politics.

In the first case, she was born into a political point of view (conservatism) and has never really had to argue its merits with the other side. She doesn’t understand the other side of the argument mostly because she’s never really had to deal with it full bore until recently.

The second problem is that she doesn’t seem to want to do her homework. This is not an uncommon problem among politicians (vide the current Democratic leaders). Had she spent more time studying both the opposition and her own point of view, or had a staff that could really handle the grunt work, she would have been more successful.

Her future success lies in finding a niche and staying there.

104 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:04:18pm

Kush-lash.

105 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:04:44pm

re: #98 jcm

Spotify?

It’s a bit like iTunes, but as you search the library all the songs are streamed online for free. Every fifteen minutes or so (inbetween songs, not during) you will get a few seconds of adverts. It’s brilliant. Got tons of songs from most artists.

106 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:04:45pm

re: #68 SixDegrees

Hell’s bells. It takes a hell of a lot more work to keep a lawsuit from ever going to court than it does to let it go to trial.

107 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:04:55pm

re: #104 Ben Hur

Kush-lash.

???

108 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:04:56pm

re: #102 Dianna

Oh, come now!

You and I both objected to some of what was hurled at Hillary Clinton; surely, we can be troubled by some of what’s hurled at Sarah Palin. It doesn’t make either of us supporters (necessarily) of either one’s political positions.

Huh? I was talking about how we’ve spent 8 years decrying Alinsky tactics, and now people want to embrace it. That’s hypocrisy.

109 FQ Kafir  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:04:58pm

re: #91 SixDegrees

Politicians, if they are adept, craft their image to one that is palatable to the voters.

110 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:05:27pm

re: #83 Pianobuff

Was con base turnout proven to be down in 2008?

Yes - Dick Morris and Michael Barone posted that it would happen frior to election day and again in the aftermath. Barone also showed that it happened in the 2006 congressional races, especially among mid western conservative Catholics.

111 turn  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:05:44pm

re: #85 Honorary Yooper

Very true. I’m also a bit aghast at the insults hurled at her. Have legitimate criticisms of the woman (goodness knows I do), please, but do not stoop to the misogynistic insults I’ve seen thrown about by certain commentors here.

Outside LGF most of the really hate filled comments about Palin in the blogs seemed to come from women imo. I don’t quite know what that means but perhaps some of them were disgruntled Hillary supporters.

112 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:05:50pm

re: #102 Dianna

Oh, come now!

You and I both objected to some of what was hurled at Hillary Clinton; surely, we can be troubled by some of what’s hurled at Sarah Palin. It doesn’t make either of us supporters (necessarily) of either one’s political positions.

but, But ,, BUT Palin is one of “ours” that we don’t like or agree with, so we HAVE to be harder on her to show how “fair” we are and that we can critisize “our own” unlike the other side !!

///

113 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:05:51pm

re: #82 sattv4u2

I’m not aware that any of them have even come close to going to trial

A case doesn’t have to ‘go to trial” for you to rack up a large legal bill. Lawyers charger per hour, whether they are in court, talking to you in an office, at a restaurant, or doing research for you without youy even being prestnt or aware that at that hour(s) they are ‘working” for you

I’m aware of that. However, all of these cases were settled very rapidly. It’s hard to see where they amount to a half million dollars worth of legal time.

Also, people who are exposed to legal entanglements on a regular basis typically have attorneys on retainer. For routine consultations and nasty form letters, their costs are already covered. I would hope that any governor would take such a step, particularly if the state law is really as described. But even without a retained attorney, that’s a lotta expenses to rack up.

114 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:06:14pm

re: #108 Sharmuta

Huh? I was talking about how we’ve spent 8 years decrying Alinsky tactics, and now people want to embrace it. That’s hypocrisy.

Most agreed. There’s more ways to win than by using Alinsky tactics. We need not stoop to the level of a certain banned commentor and his right-wing Alinskyism.

115 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:06:36pm

re: #105 HAL2010

Spotify?

It’s a bit like iTunes, but as you search the library all the songs are streamed online for free. Every fifteen minutes or so (inbetween songs, not during) you will get a few seconds of adverts. It’s brilliant. Got tons of songs from most artists.

Sounds very cool!

THANKS!

116 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:06:41pm

re: #111 turn

Outside LGF most of the really hate filled comments about Palin in the blogs seemed to come from women imo. I don’t quite know what that means but perhaps some of them were disgruntled Hillary supporters.

Women are misogynists too, that’s why. Women can be down right cruel to each other. There is no “sisterhood”.

117 Dianna  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:06:58pm

re: #108 Sharmuta

Huh? I was talking about how we’ve spent 8 years decrying Alinsky tactics, and now people want to embrace it. That’s hypocrisy.

Sure it is.

118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:07:10pm

re: #108 Sharmuta

I understood where you were coming from, but that’s because I’m in your head! :que spooky theremin music:

BTW, you’re out of beer and guacamole dip.
/

119 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:07:27pm

I am amazed right now. Here a thread about Sarah Palin. I expected to read only spew. Instead there is discourse and opions given without the ugliness I’ve seen in other threads that weren’t even about her.

I am amazed and so very please to see this!

120 Pianobuff  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:07:32pm

re: #110 karmic_inquisitor

Yes - Dick Morris and Michael Barone posted that it would happen frior to election day and again in the aftermath. Barone also showed that it happened in the 2006 congressional races, especially among mid western conservative Catholics.

If at some point you could throw out a link on that I would appreciate it. I’ve heard a lot of rhetoric on this in the past but not a lot of fact-based analysis.

Thanks!

121 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:07:36pm

re: #105 HAL2010

It’s peer-to-peer, so be careful. Kazaa comes to mind. Lots of nasty stuff can sneak through that hole.

122 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:07:43pm

re: #115 jcm

Check it out

123 nikis-knight  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:07:45pm

re: #103 Lucius Septimius

The second problem is that she doesn’t seem to want to do her homework. This is not an uncommon problem among politicians (vide the current Democratic leaders).

Heck, Congress doesn’t even do its classwork these days.

124 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:08:06pm

re: #90 Kosh’s Shadow

My wife is a criminal defense attorney and spends far more time preparing a case than the time spent in court. A lot more time.

Yes; preparing a case for trial - when it’s headed there - can run into a lot of hours. None of these cases seem to have ever proceeded anywhere near that far, though.

125 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:08:08pm

re: #113 SixDegrees

I’m aware of that. However, all of these cases were settled very rapidly. It’s hard to see where they amount to a half million dollars worth of legal time.

Also, people who are exposed to legal entanglements on a regular basis typically have attorneys on retainer. For routine consultations and nasty form letters, their costs are already covered. I would hope that any governor would take such a step, particularly if the state law is really as described. But even without a retained attorney, that’s a lotta expenses to rack up.

$500,000 total bill divided by 17 suits comes out to a little over $29,000 per suit. A lawyer getting $500 an hour only has to log in less than 60 hours to gete to 29K

126 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:08:20pm

re: #116 Sharmuta

Women are misogynists too, that’s why. Women can be down right cruel to each other. There is no “sisterhood”.

In many ways, women are much crueller to each other than men are to each other, or each is to the other sex.

127 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:08:28pm

re: #116 Sharmuta

Women are misogynists too, that’s why. Women can be down right cruel to each other. There is no “sisterhood”.

When two male dogs are in the same pack, they’ll fight to get one to give up and acknowledge the other dog’s superior status. They won’t try to injure each other, at least not right away.
Two females will try to kill each other.

128 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:08:41pm

re: #119 midwestgak

I am amazed right now. Here a thread about Sarah Palin. I expected to read only spew. Instead there is discourse and opions given without the ugliness I’ve seen in other threads that weren’t even about her.

I am amazed and so very please to see this!

That’s because there are some absentees.

129 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:08:45pm

re: #119 midwestgak

. . . pleased to see this!

PIMF

130 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:09:12pm

re: #123 nikis-knight

Heck, Congress doesn’t even do its classwork these days.

I really think there needs to be a scantron test on every bill submitted to congress. Any representative who fails to score at least a 75 doesn’t get to vote. And their staffers can’t take it for them.

No extra points for filling in their name correctly on the bubble sheet.

131 gregb  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:09:20pm

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

To be fair, whether it was “a smart move” or not depends on what Palin plans on doing post-resignation—which is something we, and certainly those polled, don’t know.

So actually, it’s kind of a silly question, and answering it is merely buying into the trash-Palin industry.

Well, I guess we can guess for one: She and her husband won’t be going bankrupt from defending themselves with their own personal money from never-ending legal complaints against her.

I guess from that standpoint it was a pretty smart move on her part.

132 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:09:24pm

re: #121 tradewind

So far, I have had no problems at all. Kazaa was for all intentions illegal, this is legal, so their incentive to make it safe is much greater.

133 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:09:43pm

re: #124 SixDegrees

How could you possibly know that without seeing billing records or copies of interrogatories?

134 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:10:01pm

re: #126 Honorary Yooper

In many ways, women are much crueller to each other than men are to each other, or each is to the other sex.

I was at a party a few weeks ago when this subject came up, so I told the ladies it was because of men we were so horrible to each other. :p

135 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:10:15pm

re: #124 SixDegrees

Yes; preparing a case for trial - when it’s headed there - can run into a lot of hours. None of these cases seem to have ever proceeded anywhere near that far, though.

In criminal defense, you always prepare for trial, because the client or the state can change their minds. And the state is more likely to take a deal if you’re prepared.

136 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:10:27pm

The Left is obsessed with Palin. She’s an obscure former Alaska governor whom John McCain picked as a running mate to try to salvage his flat-lining campaign. And with the stumbling, bumbling McCain at the top of the ticket, she lost. So why is she mentioned in virtually every political thread on LGF BY THE LEFTIES, who then proceed to disparage her?

If she weren’t perceived as a genuine political threat, no one would bother. In the 1850s, Abraham Lincoln was a failed, anti-war U.S. Congressman in private law practice. Ronald Reagan was a Democrat and a B-movie actor. Bush the Elder was an obscure former Texas congressman, and mediocre oil production investor.

Without being a cheerleader for Palin, this is a single poll at a moment in time. Her future, political or otherwise, is entirely up to her. My prediction: she’ll get out and make some money to pay all those legal bills. She’ll draw large crowds of adoring fans to GOP fundraisers in the South and the West. And she’ll bide her time, and wait for her opportunity.

137 Russkilitlover  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:11:19pm

re: #36 Dianna

It was an awful idea.

Now, she’s irrelevant.

I think it was an awful idea, as well. But I don’t think it will make her irrelevant. It was awful, because you don’t just up and quit your commitments. You face your detractors or opposition or whatever and do your duty. Politicians take oaths and to me, they mean something.

That being said, it may be a decision which was best for her personally and she has no political aspirations, in which case she should be supported and not so roundly and soundly vilified as if she committed some heinous crime.

138 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:11:23pm

re: #107 reloadingisnotahobby

???


An obscure reference to a line in Jerry McGuire.

Kush (quarterback) is so sick of seeing himself all over the place, that he says even he has “Kush-lash.”

Posting “Palin-lash” would have been open to waaay to many interpretations…

Otherwise:

Swedish Tabloid: IDF Kills Arabs to Trade their Organs

Ahhh…the Swedes.

On the front lines of reality in the world.

139 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:12:05pm

re: #106 tradewind

Hell’s bells. It takes a hell of a lot more work to keep a lawsuit from ever going to court than it does to let it go to trial.

Apparently not in these cases. Most were dismissed within a day, apparently; a few took a few days to be resolved, but those were the ones with merit that Palin agreed to take corrective action on.

The figure seems dramatically inflated. I have trouble believing her legal issues played a part in her sudden departure.

140 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:12:13pm
141 J.S.  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:12:13pm

re: #100 opnion

I’m routinely surprised by some of the rhetoric (and, it’s not just on “blogs” — with blog posts, you come to expect rancid commentary), but the ideas expressed in the MSM about Palin…I found it toxic…(and on a different topic — this was a column I read today, published in the MSM, by Paul Krugman — just, again, the level of the vitriol — is this really, really necessary? here are a few of the phrases I ran across (yes, I know, it’s taken out of context) — “vile and stupid”; “screamers”; “lederhosen-wearing holey cheese-eaters”; “socialist hellhole”; etc., etc. I stopped reading the article at around the third paragraph…I just don’t care what the person is attempting to get across — it’s like reading some vile blog post on a hate site…thus, I skip it.)

142 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:12:14pm

Is Cato tingling?

143 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:12:37pm

re: #68 SixDegrees

Interesting. Most of these suits, though, were settled almost immediately, out of court. Some of them resulted in Palin paying money back to the state; others, moving money from one account to another; the rest never even made it to trial because the judge reviewing them found them frivolous - anyone can sue anyone for anything, but a court isn’t obligated to hear the case if it’s obviously ridiculous, as so many of these were. I’m not aware that any of them have even come close to going to trial.

Where did these numbers come from originally?

I’m actually not too sure. I read an article about a month ago that seemed to be making an educated guess that the number was nearing $600,000 rather than quoting hard sources. But the numbers I keep hearing from differing sources don’t fluctuate much.

Here’s the NYT from July… $500,000
The UPI from June… $600,000

I suspect the number is coming from Palin herself and being quoted by others.

144 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:12:46pm

re: #138 Ben Hur

Swedish Tabloid: IDF Kills Arabs to Trade their Organs

Ahhh…the Swedes.

On the front lines of reality in the world.

They must have had some really bad lutefisk.

145 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:12:54pm

re: #142 MandyManners

Is Cato tingling?

Which parts is the real questions.

146 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:12:58pm

re: #125 sattv4u2

$500,000 total bill divided by 17 suits comes out to a little over $29,000 per suit. A lawyer getting $500 an hour only has to log in less than 60 hours to gete to 29K

That’s a solid weeks worth of serious work. None of these cases ever dragged on that long that I’m aware of.

Where did this number come from?

147 ryannon  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:13:05pm

I can’t believe that no one has posted this yet - meaning that I get to be the LGF village idiot for this thread:

LUAP NOR!

148 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:13:08pm

re: #138 Ben Hur

Ah!
For a moment I thought it was Yiddish!;-)

149 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:13:27pm

re: #145 Lucius Septimius

Which parts is the real questions.

Naughty parts?

150 Erik The Red  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:13:28pm

re: #142 MandyManners

Is Cato tingling?

He may just be waking up, after passing out with excitement.

151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:13:48pm

re: #134 Sharmuta

I was at a party a few weeks ago when this subject came up, so I told the ladies it was because of men we were so horrible to each other. :p

Seriously, though, if everything women did were on account of men, every year the summer fashions would be cheerleader outfits and catholic school girl uniforms. Think about it.

/mmm…

152 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:13:50pm

re: #148 reloadingisnotahobby

Ah!
For a moment I thought it was Yiddish!;-)


LOL!

153 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:13:59pm

re: #150 Erik The Red

He may just be waking up, after passing out with excitement.

The blood left his brain?

154 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:14:20pm

Palin’s resignation was not a political move, it was a life decision & to the extent that people see her actions as only political they are missing what she is about IMHO.

Palin is not a politician in the regular sense.

I note that regular politicians have made a mess of things.

I still think she will be the 1st gal president.

155 Erik The Red  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:14:49pm

re: #153 MandyManners

The blood left his brain?

LOL

156 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:14:55pm

re: #136 quickjustice

So why is she mentioned in virtually every political thread on LGF BY THE LEFTIES, who then proceed to disparage her?

Maybe you didn’t read the link, but more than “LEFTIES” have unfavorable opinions of Sarah Palin.

Personally- she seems like a nice lady to me. I wish her all the best. I will not vote for her.

157 Russkilitlover  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:15:01pm

re: #111 turn

Outside LGF most of the really hate filled comments about Palin in the blogs seemed to come from women imo. I don’t quite know what that means but perhaps some of them were disgruntled Hillary supporters.

It’s also a phenomenon. Women turn on each other.

One of my most profound management lessons, which I learned was that women and men are motivated very differently. When I singled out one of my (male) reps for an achievement, I could see all the other (male) reps challenging themselves to be the one singled out next time.

When I tried the same approach with my female admin staff, they all kinda withdrew and glared at the achiever, clearly thinking…”Bitch!” When I used a team approach “Look at this great accomplishment WE just did…” the response was totally opposite and they all chimed in with how to coordinate best practices, etc.

158 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:15:03pm

re: #149 MandyManners

Naughty parts?

They only naughty if’n ya get caught.

159 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:15:11pm

OT: IBD editorial on the vast shale energy supplies waiting to be tapped in New York State, but for the usual hyper-green Luddite. Complete with inadvertent Battlestar Galactica curse words!

Robert Kennedy Jr.’s Riverkeeper and other greenie groups object to the means of extracting gas and oil from shale — a technique known as fracking.

Fracking involves injecting water, with sand and other additives, into the rock to push the gas into accessible pockets. Improvements in technology allow drilling horizontally from a single, above-ground well, reducing the above-ground hit on the environment.

Kennedy and the rest of the fracking opposition say that since the technique uses a lot of water, we should worry about possible groundwater pollution and the impact on water supplies, rivers and streams. Proximity of the Marcellus formation to New York City’s watershed has caused concern.

Roger Willis, owner of a hydraulic fracturing company in the Pennsylvania town of Meadville, says thousands of frack jobs have been done on rock formations above and below the Marcellus shale in New York state with no aquifer damage.

The new fracking technology allows access to deeper, denser shale. “These are surgical operations utilizing the most advanced drilling technology known to man,” Tom Price, senior vice president of Chesapeake Energy, told lawmakers at a recent hearing in Albany.

FRACK HERE, FRACK NOW!

WE WANT SOME NEW FRACKING TECHNOLOGY!

/hat tip: Instapundit

160 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:15:34pm

re: #135 Kosh’s Shadow

In criminal defense, you always prepare for trial, because the client or the state can change their minds. And the state is more likely to take a deal if you’re prepared.

Nonsense. Any attorney who charges me for something that hasn’t happened and isn’t even likely to happen is going to find himself being served for malpractice by my new attorney.

If attorneys did all the work required to take a potential (not actual) case to trial each time, we certainly wouldn’t see trials delayed for weeks and months and in some cases years while attorneys…prepared for trial.

Do you know where this figure came from?

161 Truck Monkey  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:15:45pm

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth

Seriously, though, if everything women did were on account of men, every year the summer fashions would be cheerleader outfits and catholic school girl uniforms. Think about it.

/mmm…

What about the ‘bad’ nurse uniforms with the 5’ heels?

162 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:15:52pm

re: #137 Russkilitlover

I think it was an awful idea, as well. But I don’t think it will make her irrelevant. It was awful, because you don’t just up and quit your commitments. You face your detractors or opposition or whatever and do your duty. Politicians take oaths and to me, they mean something.

That being said, it may be a decision which was best for her personally and she has no political aspirations, in which case she should be supported and not so roundly and soundly vilified as if she committed some heinous crime.

It seems to me that Sarah Palin is held to stricter standards than others.
Her family was being savaged & these idiotic nuisance suits that the State does not cover were running into serious money.
Sarah Palin imo scares Democrats. Why some women have a problem with her I don’t actually get.

163 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:16:44pm

re: #136 quickjustice

The Left is obsessed with Palin. She’s an obscure former Alaska governor whom John McCain picked as a running mate to try to salvage his flat-lining campaign. And with the stumbling, bumbling McCain at the top of the ticket, she lost. So why is she mentioned in virtually every political thread on LGF BY THE LEFTIES, who then proceed to disparage her?

If she weren’t perceived as a genuine political threat, no one would bother. In the 1850s, Abraham Lincoln was a failed, anti-war U.S. Congressman in private law practice. Ronald Reagan was a Democrat and a B-movie actor. Bush the Elder was an obscure former Texas congressman, and mediocre oil production investor.

Without being a cheerleader for Palin, this is a single poll at a moment in time. Her future, political or otherwise, is entirely up to her. My prediction: she’ll get out and make some money to pay all those legal bills. She’ll draw large crowds of adoring fans to GOP fundraisers in the South and the West. And she’ll bide her time, and wait for her opportunity.

If I was in America, as someone right-wing, I too, would have an obsession with Palin. She is one of a number of republicans destroying the party. I would be concerned that people like herself, Jindal and others are somehow considered viable candidates for the highest office in the land, the most powerful job in the world.
Identity politics is strong in the US I know, but she has a narrow appeal to a base that is shrinking.

The party should be looking for new converts, and Palin is not a candidate that will be able to do that.

164 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:16:58pm

re: #142 MandyManners

Is Cato tingling?

Can you believe that he’s missing this?

165 turn  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:16:59pm

re: #116 Sharmuta

Women are misogynists too, that’s why. Women can be down right cruel to each other. There is no “sisterhood”.

Thanks for being forthcoming about that sharm. I’ve seen the turnwife get in cat fights with her “friends” and even her mother and sister that are downright embarrassing to watch. Dudes tend to punch it out and put it behind us, but no way with most women. turn Psych 101. Hey I might as well throw in a selfish attempt for more kama, the turnwife and I were married 30 years ago today!

166 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:17:15pm

re: #162 opnion

Why some women have a problem with her I don’t actually get.

It’s called female misogyny. I can recommend a book if you’d like to understand.

167 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:17:21pm

re: #143 eschew_obfuscation

I’m actually not too sure. I read an article about a month ago that seemed to be making an educated guess that the number was nearing $600,000 rather than quoting hard sources. But the numbers I keep hearing from differing sources don’t fluctuate much.

Here’s the NYT from July… $500,000
The UPI from June… $600,000

I suspect the number is coming from Palin herself and being quoted by others.

This article also says that the State of Alaska was shelling out money to respond to the charges.

In any case, I’d like an accounting. It sounds seriously inflated to me.

168 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:17:25pm

Palin, the political Viagra.

169 medaura18586  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:17:35pm

I’d love to meet those 15% who thought her resignation was a good idea.

Who are these people!

170 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:17:46pm

re: #136 quickjustice

If the economic turnaround under Obama isn’t timely, if Pelosi/Durbin/Waxman and that bunch who represent a tiny fraction of the viewpoints of Americans insist on shoving a healthcare grab through with no Republican or Blue Dog cooperation, if things go south in the ME… you bet’cha that Sarah Palin will be there, and better prepared for a national candidacy than the first time out.

171 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:17:52pm

Gotta be honest, I’m pretty much finished with Palin myself. If she quit for personal reasons, more power to her and I wish her well.

If she thought it would help her politically, however, to bail out in the middle of her governorship, she has another think coming. I don’t see how someone who quits a governor’s position without a damned good reason (and she never gave a damned good reason) could ever seriously be considered for the job of President of the US.

172 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:18:37pm

She had 500,000 reasons to quit.

173 turn  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:18:48pm

re: #127 Kosh’s Shadow

When two male dogs are in the same pack, they’ll fight to get one to give up and acknowledge the other dog’s superior status. They won’t try to injure each other, at least not right away.
Two females will try to kill each other.

Are you saying we’re animals kosh?
/
so very true dat

174 brennant  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:18:53pm

I cannot believe anyone would support her now. She quit. End of story.

175 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:19:01pm

Money is the worst reason to quit.

176 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:19:17pm

I know this wont be popular with certain members of LGF, but I’ll post it anyway.

The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin: A Round-Up

What politician would have any credibility left after so many lies?

177 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:19:20pm

re: #159 Occasional Reader

Kennedy and the rest of the fracking opposition say…

I guess editorial writers get to have their fun, too.

178 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:19:35pm

re: #159 Occasional Reader

OT: IBD editorial on the vast shale energy supplies waiting to be tapped in New York State, but for the usual hyper-green Luddite. Complete with inadvertent Battlestar Galactica curse words!

FRACK HERE, FRACK NOW!

WE WANT SOME NEW FRACKING TECHNOLOGY!

/hat tip: Instapundit

FRACK IT!
FRACK IT ALL!
FRACK IT NOW!©

179 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:19:49pm

re: #161 Truck Monkey

What about the ‘bad’ nurse uniforms with the 5’ heels?

That’s winter fashion. ;)

/and I like the way you think.

180 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:20:05pm

re: #157 Russkilitlover

And the lesson there was it’s easier to blow smoke up the ass
of everyone ,than just to single out one !!…LOL!!

181 theheat  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:20:19pm
Among Republicans, Palin has a 73 percent favorable rating, with 16 percent holding an unfavorable view.

Which doesn’t say much, given all the bullshit they’re promoting or ignoring at the moment. ‘Cept it means no matter how crazy, or whatever dumb stuff comes out of your mouth, you can still be a darling of the right if you pander to the right peeps. I mean, look at Beck. ‘Nuf said.

She can make a ton of money courting the base. And by base, I mean the hard core socons. Book deals, speeches (OMG - how insufferable), and probably her own talk program at some point will net her more money than most people ever earn. So, even though she can be as daffy and incoherent as Paula Abdul and Jenny McCarthy combined, it’ll pay well. Palin can laugh all the way to the bank.

Hey, more power to her. But I won’t be one of her fans/watchers/listeners. I’ve already seen enough I can’t stand about her, and she’s done nothing to change my opinion, other than reconfirm it. She can go on to be the next Limbaugh, for all I know. I can’t stand him, either, but he certainly lives a comfortable life and has millions of fans, despite my opinion.

Whatever.

182 iLikeCandy  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:20:24pm

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

To be fair, whether it was “a smart move” or not depends on what Palin plans on doing post-resignation—which is something we, and certainly those polled, don’t know.

So actually, it’s kind of a silly question, and answering it is merely buying into the trash-Palin industry.

She’s already done something: For good or ill, she got the end-of-life counseling provision out of whichever bill it was in.

183 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:20:33pm

re: #160 SixDegrees

Nonsense. Any attorney who charges me for something that hasn’t happened and isn’t even likely to happen is going to find himself being served for malpractice by my new attorney.

If attorneys did all the work required to take a potential (not actual) case to trial each time, we certainly wouldn’t see trials delayed for weeks and months and in some cases years while attorneys…prepared for trial.

Do you know where this figure came from?

I’m talking about criminal cases, not civil cases. These can’t drag on forever like civil cases.

If you were charged criminally, and had the court date set, even if you’ve made a plea deal, the state doesn’t have to offer it to you, and the judge doesn’t have to accept it. They can say “We go to trial, now.”
Would you want your attorney ready? Remember, the plea deal doesn’t get confirmed until the trial date, and you cannot change the date just because your attorney isn’t prepared.
So you pay for the trial preparation, or meet your new wife, Bubba, with your honeymoon in the steel bar suite.

184 JarHeadLifer  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:20:37pm

re: #136 quickjustice

If she weren’t perceived as a genuine political threat, no one would bother.

I’m not entirely sure that’s true. I do think the Palin-bashing serves a purpose other than just diminishing a possible future political threat. Palin was, is and will continue to be wildly unpopular with moderate Democrats and people who identify themselves as independents - the exact people that Republicans (as the minority party) need to attract to wrest control back from the Democrats. If the left is successful in making Palin the face of the Republican party, they gain an edge.

185 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:20:38pm

re: #168 MandyManners

Yeah, and the left, which has always had a hard on for her, ignores the advice to ’ see a doctor if your election erection lasts longer than four years’.

186 jorline  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:20:53pm

re: #169 medaura18586

I’d love to meet those 15% who thought her resignation was a good idea.

Who are these people!

Gun packing Town Hallers with Obama-Hitler posters.

187 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:21:09pm

re: #165 turn

Thanks for being forthcoming about that sharm. I’ve seen the turnwife get in cat fights with her “friends” and even her mother and sister that are downright embarrassing to watch. Dudes tend to punch it out and put it behind us, but no way with most women. turn Psych 101. Hey I might as well throw in a selfish attempt for more kama, the turnwife and I were married 30 years ago today!

Yes- it doesn’t matter if it’s friends or family. Women will get nasty with each other, and we’re conditioned this way from a surprisingly young age.

188 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:21:18pm

re: #178 jcm

FRACK IT!
FRACK IT ALL!
FRACK IT NOW!©

Thousands of successful frack jobs have already been done! But the fracking opposition just doesn’t want to understand the new fracking technology.

189 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:21:20pm

re: #169 medaura18586

I think it is a great idea & I hope she quits the Republican party as well.

Regular politics D and R both, has brought the country to a mess.

The further Palin goes away from conventional political wisdom the more chance she has of helping to really fix things.

190 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:21:35pm

re: #165 turn

Congrats Turn!!!
And to the “Turn Wife” of course!!

191 charles_martel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:21:41pm

She’s a quitter. Sorry, but it’s true. She took an oath of office, and she abandoned her responsibilities. She’ll probably get a book deal, but she’s finished in politics, at least on a national level.

192 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:21:43pm

Never seen anyone make lefty heads ‘splode like Sarah.
Dick Cheney - close
Bush - eeehhh.

Palin - frothing and gnashing of teeth.

You go girl.

193 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:22:01pm

After actually reading the article I now retract my former statement: the poll asked if it was a good “political move”. With political in front it changes things, and I say it was so unsmart as to be dumbass.

194 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:22:28pm

re: #191 charles_martel

Just watch.

195 Truck Monkey  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:22:35pm

re: #185 tradewind

Yeah, and the left, which has always had a hard on for her, ignores the advice to ’ see a doctor if your election erection lasts longer than four years’.

I think I had an erection that lasted for four years. 1981 through 1985. It sure was fun being young. ; )

196 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:22:41pm

re: #175 Charles

Money is the worst reason to quit.

If she didn’t have the legal fees, how could she pay them? A part-time gig in addition to being the governor?

197 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:23:03pm

re: #176 HAL2010

I know this wont be popular with certain members of LGF, but I’ll post it anyway.

The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin: A Round-Up

What politician would have any credibility left after so many lies?

Frankly, lists like this are loathsome, and conflate “lying” with “did something I didn’t like” in most cases. It’s pure partisan flamebaiting with no actual content.

198 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:23:06pm

re: #175 Charles

Money is the worst reason to quit.

If she quit to take a higher paying job in the private sector I would agree. But if the reports are correct and she is facing 500K legal bills, her $125 +/- govs salary after taxes doesn;t go far in offsetting her bills. If she can garner 10-20K per speaking engagement to chop away at that billl the strain on her family (and yes, it’s a HUGE strain when you owe that much) is understandable

199 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:23:08pm

re: #191 charles_martel

Oh please.
Bubba quit.
Hillary… quit
Obama… quit.
They’d all promised to ’ serve out their terms’ as governor/senator.

200 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:23:13pm

I can see her career from my house.

201 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:23:21pm

re: #176 HAL2010

Bad, biased source, and there are two sides to most of those “lies”.

202 horse  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:23:22pm

Depends on the meaning of “smart”. For personal political gain probably not, to make more money for the family, probably yes. I’ve come to see Palin as a green tomato, picked well before maturity for normal usage, but now that its picked, perhaps there is some pickling or frying that can be done to make it useful as a side dish or garnish.

203 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:23:35pm

re: #176 HAL2010

I know this wont be popular with certain members of LGF, but I’ll post it anyway.

The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin: A Round-Up

What politician would have any credibility left after so many lies?

Barack Obama?

204 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:23:40pm

re: #196 MandyManners

If she didn’t have the legal fees, how could she pay them? A part-time gig in addition to being the governor?

She would have had as many book deals and speaking gigs then as she’d get now. Maybe more. Plenty of time to make the money to pay her bills then.

205 theheat  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:23:40pm

re: #191 charles_martel

To her credit, she never ran off to another country to have an affair. I’ll give her that, for sure.

206 kansas  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:23:55pm

re: #176 HAL2010

I know this wont be popular with certain members of LGF, but I’ll post it anyway.

The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin: A Round-Up

What politician would have any credibility left after so many lies?

Andrew Sullivan has credibility? I think not.
Here, is this credible?
[Link: obamawtf.blogspot.com…]

207 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:24:09pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

Which is also why I have a comfy shop w/flat screen and dvd
player!

208 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:24:12pm

re: #182 iLikeCandy

She’s already done something: For good or ill, she got the end-of-life counseling provision out of whichever bill it was in.

In my view, that makes her “contribution” to the health care debate wholly destructive. She “succeeded” in getting a part of the bill removed that probably shouldn’t have been, by using extremist language accusing her political opponents of promoting euthanasia and “death panels.”

It was some of the most blatantly cynical political maneuvering I’ve seen in a long time.

209 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:24:12pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

I can see her career from my house.

Snarky, but funny!
ROFL!

210 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:24:16pm

She was sabotaged by the powerful Fruit Fly Researchers Lobby.

211 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:24:19pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

I can see her career from my house.

You really brought the funny today.

212 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:24:19pm

re: #166 Sharmuta

It’s called female misogyny. I can recommend a book if you’d like to understand.

OK

213 Nancy  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:24:23pm

This question presumes that higher elected or political office has been and is her sole ambition in life.

214 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:24:33pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Heh. It must be trash pickup day.

215 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:24:36pm

re: #202 horse

Well, she’s already done the whistle stop cafe tour , so you may be right.

216 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:24:41pm

I can’t believe you guys are still arguing about Sarah Palin, instead of discussing our fracking energy future.

217 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:24:42pm

re: #207 reloadingisnotahobby

Which is also why I have a comfy shop w/flat screen and dvd
player!

Beer fridge in the comfy shop?

218 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:24:45pm

re: #183 Kosh’s Shadow

I’m talking about criminal cases, not civil cases. These can’t drag on forever like civil cases.

If you were charged criminally, and had the court date set, even if you’ve made a plea deal, the state doesn’t have to offer it to you, and the judge doesn’t have to accept it. They can say “We go to trial, now.”
Would you want your attorney ready? Remember, the plea deal doesn’t get confirmed until the trial date, and you cannot change the date just because your attorney isn’t prepared.
So you pay for the trial preparation, or meet your new wife, Bubba, with your honeymoon in the steel bar suite.

Didn’t happen in these cases, that’s for sure. They were resolved far too quickly.

219 charles_martel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:24:48pm

re: #199 tradewind

Resigning to run for higher office is one thing. Resigning to just walk away is quite another.

220 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:24:57pm

re: #204 Sharmuta

She would have had as many book deals and speaking gigs then as she’d get now. Maybe more. Plenty of time to make the money to pay her bills then.

Who’d take care of her kids? Special-needs babies require a lot of work.

221 J.S.  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:25:11pm

re: #171 Charles

A while back, Paul Begala on CNN made some comments about her resignation (which I don’t intend to repeat). It would be devastating if his comments were repeated, especially, if/when she ever decided to run for an elected office (I really don’t see her as able to win an election, given the level of animosity; how she’s now seen as a “quitter”, etc., etc.) I think she’d do well in some other capacity (outside of elected politics).

222 turn  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:25:17pm

re: #157 Russkilitlover

It’s also a phenomenon. Women turn on each other.

One of my most profound management lessons, which I learned was that women and men are motivated very differently. When I singled out one of my (male) reps for an achievement, I could see all the other (male) reps challenging themselves to be the one singled out next time.

When I tried the same approach with my female admin staff, they all kinda withdrew and glared at the achiever, clearly thinking…”Bitch!” When I used a team approach “Look at this great accomplishment WE just did…” the response was totally opposite and they all chimed in with how to coordinate best practices, etc.

kosh’s 127 summed it up pretty nicely, we all have animal instincts. Men handle confrontation differently than women for sure. Thanks russ, it’s refreshing to see the women here at LGF point out the difference.

223 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:25:22pm

I was trying to explain how this works to my husband the other day. My son is six months younger than another woman’s son in our church’s pack. We work really hard at scouts with our kid, and he has already passed up her son in rank. (I don’t think she actually knows this yet.)

I’m taking my son to do service for a merit badge. I’m offering to take her son, too, and yes, it’s for entirely political reasons. He hasn’t be able to go yet (sick, doctor’s visit, etc.) but she knows I offered.

It’s a female thing. He didn’t understand why it mattered.

224 calcajun  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:25:41pm

In short, she is done as a viable candidate in the future.
She has a bright future as a fund raiser.

225 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:25:47pm

re: #219 charles_martel

Resigning to run for higher office is one thing. Resigning to just walk away is quite another.

If she runs again walking away while be a huge handicap.

226 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:25:54pm

re: #204 Sharmuta

She would have had as many book deals and speaking gigs then as she’d get now. Maybe more. Plenty of time to make the money to pay her bills then.

Add 3 years of interest to $500K ,,, you do the math!

227 Russkilitlover  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:25:57pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

I can see her career from my house.

Now that’s just funny!

228 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:26:12pm

re: #201 Thanos

re: #206 kansas

See, all those lies are, you know, actual lies. If you read the sources they are all mainstream sources.

229 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:26:17pm

re: #216 Occasional Reader

I can’t believe you guys are still arguing about Sarah Palin, instead of discussing our fracking energy future.

I care very much about our fracking energy future. It might behoove RFK Jr to learn about what might happen to his standard of living if he gets what he wants.

230 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:26:24pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

Yes- it doesn’t matter if it’s friends or family. Women will get nasty with each other, and we’re conditioned this way from a surprisingly young age.

Women can be absolute monsters to each other. I’ve seen some of the meanest, wickedest crap happen between two female friends.

I’ve seen a 30-some odd year old woman outside of her “best friends” house screaming calling her the C-word at the top of her lungs at 3am for insinuating her way into a relationship problem.

231 doubter4444  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:26:31pm

re: #88 tradewind

The question, it seems to me, is not whether it was a smart move, rather, whether it was the responsible one to make as governor of a state, and I say yes.
Considering all factors, chiefly the nuisance suits she was constantly swatting, the attention taken away from executive duties that her family desperately needed thanks to the vultures, and numerous other distractions, only a narcissist would have insisted on remaining in office.
Her resignation may have had a political motivation… she may have lost the stomach for the fight… it may have been the money.. but at its heart, it was the responsibility to the people of Alaska that she upheld.

Bull.

232 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:27:03pm

re: #212 opnion

Woman’s Inhumanity to Woman

And I recommend this to both women and men who want to understand this phenomenon more. Word to the ladies, though- it’s not an easy read, but well worth the effort.

233 medaura18586  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:27:04pm

re: #208 Charles

In my view, that makes her “contribution” to the health care debate wholly destructive. She “succeeded” in getting a part of the bill removed that probably shouldn’t have been, by using extremist language accusing her political opponents of promoting euthanasia and “death panels.”

It was some of the most blatantly cynical political maneuvering I’ve seen in a long time.

Not only that, but now that the provision has been dropped, it may seem to a disinterested observer as though the opposition to the bill ought to be satisfied. Palin contributed to the elevation of that minor and relatively harmless provision into the main sticking point. So what now that it’s been dropped? Is all well? Should we pass the damn thing?

A rhetorical blunder if there ever was one…

234 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:27:23pm

re: #176 HAL2010

Umm, yeah. Andrew Sullivan.
’ Scuse me while I go find site to refute that with equal credibility…maybe
SarahPalinFanClub . org?

235 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:27:27pm

Right, I’m off.

Might be back in a while.

Take it easy

236 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:27:28pm

re: #204 Sharmuta

She would have had as many book deals and speaking gigs then as she’d get now. Maybe more. Plenty of time to make the money to pay her bills then.

Really. And she is not the only politician in history to face mounting legal fees, justly on not. How has every other politician dealt with this? Certainly not by quitting their jobs.

237 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:27:45pm

re: #156 Sharmuta

Let me be more precise: Palin’s name is first mentioned by the lefties on the LGF links. The Weasel on the last thread, for example. Out of the blue, the Weasel surfaces Palin. Obsessed?

238 iLikeCandy  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:27:49pm

re: #103 Lucius Septimius

she doesn’t seem to want to do her homework.

What evidence do you have for that? As far as I can tell, she grew in and into each office she held. She wasn’t ready for the MSM’s pop quizzes on foreign policy and such, but she didn’t have much time to prep, either. (While we’re at it, massive ignorance of history, geography, economics, etc. never hurt Biden or Obama.)

239 Russkilitlover  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:27:58pm

re: #208 Charles

In my view, that makes her “contribution” to the health care debate wholly destructive. She “succeeded” in getting a part of the bill removed that probably shouldn’t have been, by using extremist language accusing her political opponents of promoting euthanasia and “death panels.”

It was some of the most blatantly cynical political maneuvering I’ve seen in a long time.

More cynically blatant that the Dems all saying it didn’t exist and then quietly removing it? If Sarah had not used such inflammatory language, all opposition would have been hush-hushed away.

240 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:27:58pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

I can see her career from my house.

You live at the bottom of the Gulf of Alaska?

241 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:28:00pm

re: #229 Honorary Yooper

I care very much about our fracking energy future. It might behoove RFK Jr to learn about what might happen to his standard of living if he gets what he wants.

I think he wants to give the electorate a real frack job, alright… but not in the shale oil extraction sense of the term.

242 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:28:01pm

re: #219 charles_martel

You don’t know what she is doing re running for higher office.

243 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:28:12pm

re: #234 tradewind

So, what part of those 32 things listed were false?

244 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:28:31pm

Anyway, must go.

Best of luck

245 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:28:34pm

re: #217 jcm

Ah…Yup!
Right there next to the freezer w/ popcicles and icecream!
Cleaedup in ther last weekend…Found my reloading bench!!
Funny that…It was right where I left it!!!

246 iLikeCandy  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:29:01pm

re: #184 JarHeadLifer

Palin was, is and will continue to be wildly unpopular with moderate Democrats and people who identify themselves as independents -

Where are you getting this?

247 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:29:29pm

Later. Frack on, y’all.

248 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:29:32pm

re: #199 tradewind

Oh please.
Bubba quit.
Hillary… quit
Obama… quit.
They’d all promised to ’ serve out their terms’ as governor/senator.

Obama was a part timer in the IL Senate, he was gone after one in the afternoon usually. As a U.S Senator he almost immediately started campaining & was rarely ever at work.
At least Palin treated the Governorship as a full time job while she served.

249 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:29:37pm

re: #198 sattv4u2

If she quit to take a higher paying job in the private sector I would agree. But if the reports are correct and she is facing 500K legal bills, her $125 +/- govs salary after taxes doesn;t go far in offsetting her bills. If she can garner 10-20K per speaking engagement to chop away at that billl the strain on her family (and yes, it’s a HUGE strain when you owe that much) is understandable

Even assuming the tales of massive legal fees are true, Palin signed a book deal with Harper Collins back in May. Details haven’t been released, but values ranging from $8 million to $12 million abound.

I’m having difficulty being moved by her tales of financial woe.

250 turn  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:30:19pm

re: #172 MandyManners

She had 500,000 reasons to quit.

Exactly, those frivolous lawsuits were draining the family. It’s not like she came from some independently wealthy family and could afford to fight them. I would be pissed off big time, I don’t blame her for quitting. What effect it will have on her political future remains to be seen. Despite this poll it is too early to make that determination imo. Later lizards, time to go walk the lab along the American.

251 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:30:25pm

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

Really. And she is not the only politician in history to face mounting legal fees, justly on not. How has every other politician dealt with this? Certainly not by quitting their jobs.

Well,, Bill Clinton ignored his legal fees until after he was out of office, then his partisans set up a legal defense fund for him. Do you think that one dime that either bill or hillary have made on books/ speaking has gone to that fund?

252 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:30:36pm

re: #220 MandyManners

Who’d take care of her kids? Special-needs babies require a lot of work.

The same people who took care of them while she was running for VP?

253 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:30:59pm

re: #237 quickjustice

Let me be more precise: Palin’s name is first mentioned by the lefties on the LGF links. The Weasel on the last thread, for example. Out of the blue, the Weasel surfaces Palin. Obsessed?

Ok, now get a grip. I was the first person on the last thread to mention Palin, by linking to the article that Charles posted above as a thread.

So, that shoots down your little theory, doesn’t it?

254 SurferDoc  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:31:14pm

re: #176 HAL2010

I know this wont be popular with certain members of LGF, but I’ll post it anyway.

The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin: A Round-Up

What politician would have any credibility left after so many lies?

Bill Clinton?

255 jim in virginia  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:31:24pm

re: #216 Occasional Reader

I can’t believe you guys are still arguing about Sarah Palin, instead of discussing our fracking energy future.

What does that fracking Rod Blagojevich think about fracking?
How about some fracking fractals?
Seriously- I can’t believe Patterson is supporting drill here/ drill now. Revenues in Albany must be way off.

256 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:31:25pm

Whatever it was politically—good move, bad move—it wasn’t politics as usual.

Whether 61% of Americans believe it was a bad political move to quit is not of high importance since many of those Americans are leftists suffering from Palin Derangement.

We don’t know for a certainty what Sarah Palin plans to do with her life as the former Governor of Alaska. Perhaps many years down the road we’ll know if it was a good political move or a bad one, or we may know sooner than that. It’s solid speculation and this poll doesn’t throw much light on it.

257 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:31:44pm

re: #216 Occasional Reader

I can’t believe you guys are still arguing about Sarah Palin, instead of discussing our fracking energy future.

Face it. She is far better looking than your average drill rig.

258 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:31:48pm

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

Really. And she is not the only politician in history to face mounting legal fees, justly on not. How has every other politician dealt with this? Certainly not by quitting their jobs.

Did Bill Clinton quit?!

259 iLikeCandy  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:31:48pm

re: #208 Charles

In my view, that makes her “contribution” to the health care debate wholly destructive. She “succeeded” in getting a part of the bill removed that probably shouldn’t have been, by using extremist language accusing her political opponents of promoting euthanasia and “death panels.”

It was some of the most blatantly cynical political maneuvering I’ve seen in a long time.

As I said, “for good or ill.” I was simply pointing out that she’s already started her post-gubernatorial career.

Her contribution, obviously, is open to interpretation. I disagree with yours.

260 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:31:49pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

I can see her career from my house.

(even though she never said that) NOW THAT was funny.

261 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:31:56pm

re: #228 HAL2010

Umm no, they can be interpreted. I followed the stories in the ADN, most of that was bullshit with political aim, just like most of Andrew’s posts on Palin.

262 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:32:08pm

re: #218 SixDegrees

Didn’t happen in these cases, that’s for sure. They were resolved far too quickly.

That’s what usually happens in civil cases. But it rarely happens in criminal ones, unless the state determines early on they have no case.

263 Russkilitlover  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:32:26pm

re: #216 Occasional Reader

I can’t believe you guys are still arguing about Sarah Palin, instead of discussing our fracking energy future.

Oh, frack off!
/

264 HAL2010  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:32:30pm

Actually, one last comment:

As someone right-wing (I hate having to defend myself and the comments this way, but hey) I am glad that someone like Palin has no credibility. She shouldn’t have. She has horrendous views on homosexuality and creationism to name but two things. She thought Africa was a country.

I would like someone to run against Obama in 2012 with credibility and gravitas for the issues. On both, Palin fails.

And this is my last post for perhaps a few hours, do apologise for the number of posts in a row.

265 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:32:33pm

re: #237 quickjustice

Let me be more precise: Palin’s name is first mentioned by the lefties on the LGF links. The Weasel on the last thread, for example. Out of the blue, the Weasel surfaces Palin. Obsessed?

You must not read very well. WALTER posted first about this poll.

266 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:32:51pm

re: #257 experiencedtraveller

Face it. She is far better looking than your average drill rig.

I don’t no. The Ensco 106 is a really good looking drill rig.

267 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:32:52pm

re: #243 HAL2010

Half the things in that list are unproven statements in themselves that Andrew Sullivan pulled from whatever source he wanted to cite. Pretty weak on hard facts.
There’s not enough time even if I had the inclination. I’m just saying that if you want someone to take you seriously, never use a source so obviously biased. Biased isn’t even the word. You’re getting all kinds of Perez Hilton type repressed rage in there, directed at Palin disguised as political barbs.

268 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:33:00pm

re: #251 sattv4u2

Do you think that one dime that either bill or hillary have made on books/ speaking has gone to that fund?

I dunno. But you help make my point that Palin is not unique in her supposed circumstance, and that other politicians have found ways to deal with legal fees that don’t involve quitting their elected posts.

269 jim in virginia  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:33:02pm

re: #229 Honorary Yooper

I care very much about our fracking energy future. It might behoove RFK Jr to learn about what might happen to his standard of living if he gets what he wants.

Naw, we can just get more fuel oil donated by Hugo Chavez.

270 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:33:08pm

I think KT may have got some recently.

271 calcajun  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:33:23pm

re: #208 Charles

I understand what you are saying, but there is a school of thought that politics is not process-oriented, but rather results-oriented. If the debate was framed that there were “death panels” in the bill and then after a hue and cry from the Right the “death panels” were removed, then they get to claim a victory. If that is craven maneuvering, then all of politics is similarly afflicted.

Look at Sibelius’ “trial balloon” on the public option from Sunday to “it must have been a slow newsday” today.

272 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:33:28pm

re: #252 SixDegrees

The same people who took care of them while she was running for VP?

Running a state. Writing a book. Speech circuit.

Uh…yeah.

BTW, Down Syndrome kids can have increasing medical problems as they get older. The demands on time can escalate beyond belief.

273 turn  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:33:36pm

Thanks to all those who dinged turn for our 30th. bye

274 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:33:46pm

re: #265 Sharmuta

You must not read very well. WALTER posted first about this poll.

Yes, which I mentioned at re: #253 Walter L. Newton

275 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:34:21pm

re: #163 HAL2010

As a conservative, I actually go through many days without thinking about Sarah Palin. And I’m not worried about her destroying the GOP. The GOP is committing suicide in slow motion. It has shown no leadership on any issue since the voters threw it out of power in disgrace.

Do I hope the party will recover its ideals? Sure. The current batch of spineless incumbents don’t instill much confidence, however.

276 iLikeCandy  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:34:31pm

Over and out.

277 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:34:35pm

re: #268 Slumbering Behemoth

I dunno. But you help make my point that Palin is not unique in her supposed circumstance, and that other politicians have found ways to deal with legal fees that don’t involve quitting their elected posts.

So ignoring your financial obligations is a way to “deal” with it. Ya sure ya wanna go with that tact?

278 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:34:45pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

I wasn’t as quick as you- I was making a pot of coffee.

279 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:34:53pm

re: #270 Ben Hur

I think KT may have got some recently.

Some of what?

280 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:35:31pm

re: #279 MandyManners

Some of what?


Whatever makes him chipper and funny.

281 calcajun  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:35:51pm

re: #245 reloadingisnotahobby

Is there a way to reload a non-re-loadable round. The 7.62 x 54 stuff I use is Warsaw pact surplus and it is billed as being non-reloadable.

282 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:36:00pm

re: #272 MandyManners

Running a state. Writing a book. Speech circuit.

Uh…yeah.

BTW, Down Syndrome kids can have increasing medical problems as they get older. The demands on time AND MONEY (therapies, physical as well as occupational) can escalate beyond belief.

ftfy

283 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:36:03pm

re: #258 Sharmuta

Did Bill Clinton quit?!

No, he was impeached. But no, he didn’t quit.

284 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:36:04pm

*hangs head*

285 charles_martel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:36:08pm

re: #242 tradewind

If she resigned to run for higher office, she would have announced it the time of resignation. To run after a couple of years would not be possible.

Buh bye, Sarah. I never liked her cutesy-poo, “folksy” way of speaking, anyway. It was the worst form of “folksy anecdote” speechmaking. I prefer facts in a political address, not simplistic personal anecdotes that are total fiction. I know many politicians do it, and I hate them all for it, but Palin seemed to take it to a new level.

286 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:36:15pm

re: #278 Sharmuta

I wasn’t as quick as you- I was making a pot of coffee.

I’m drinking a pot, after making a eggplant parmesan and putting it into the fridge, later to be popped into the oven for supper.

287 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:36:27pm

re: #264 HAL2010

She thought Africa was a country.

Obama said there are 57 states and the Japanese nuked Pearl Harbor.

/what’s your point?

288 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:36:35pm

re: #282 sattv4u2

ftfy

Oh, that, too. Oodles of money.

289 kansas  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:36:56pm

I remember Bill Clinton did not serve out his term as Arkansas governor. Right?

290 calcajun  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:38:02pm

re: #289 kansas

Yeah—but he actually was running for something

291 JarHeadLifer  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:38:11pm

re: #238 iLikeCandy

What evidence do you have for that? As far as I can tell, she grew in and into each office she held. She wasn’t ready for the MSM’s pop quizzes on foreign policy and such, but she didn’t have much time to prep, either. (While we’re at it, massive ignorance of history, geography, economics, etc. never hurt Biden or Obama.)

Questions like “what publications do you read” don’t seem to fall in to the “pop quiz” category. Her inability to answer such an innocuous and straightforward question was troubling. Suffice to say, she was unprepared in the extreme - frankly she was embarrassing. Perhaps that wasn’t her fault. Most of the blame could and should be laid at McCain’s feet for picking her in the first place. But, that’s neither here nor there.

She was overcome with the challenges of managing a state that is just about the same size (based on population) as Austin, TX. She collapsed under the heat of the national media. The intensity of that heat would have increased ten-fold had McCain been successful in last year’s election. I hope the Republicans can find another qualified candidate that will excite the SoCons to the same degree as Palin, or at the least, a candidate that doesn’t alienate them. If not, we’re looking at another four years of Obama and it terrifies me.

292 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:38:12pm

re: #287 Killian Bundy

Obama said there are 57 states and the Japanese nuked Pearl Harbor./what’s your point?

a day that will live in inflammery!

293 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:38:19pm

re: #289 kansas

I remember Bill Clinton did not serve out his term as Arkansas governor. Right?

He lost re-election, the won again, left for the WH. IIRC.

294 Hawaii69  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:38:59pm

“a bugeyed insane gang of paleo-libertarian Ron Paul supporters who believe in every conspiracy theory under the sun. They’re 9/11 Truthers, moon landing hoaxers, anti-vaccination kooks, Alex Jones fans”


Alex Jones fans?

Now that’s a low blow…

295 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:39:20pm

re: #232 Sharmuta

Woman’s Inhumanity to Woman

And I recommend this to both women and men who want to understand this phenomenon more. Word to the ladies, though- it’s not an easy read, but well worth the effort.


Thanks

296 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:39:22pm

re: #278 Sharmuta

I wasn’t as quick as you- I was making a pot of coffee.

I never got an answer, did I?

297 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:39:29pm

re: #287 Killian Bundy

Obama said there are 57 states and the Japanese nuked Pearl Harbor.

/what’s your point?

The war that ended on the Aircraft Carrier Missouri!
/Algore

298 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:39:56pm

re: #289 kansas

I remember Bill Clinton did not serve out his term as Arkansas governor. Right?

IIRC, it was because he won the election for President. Others have done likewise with their terms as governor, senator, rep, etc when they’ve won the election for higher office.

299 Hawaii69  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:39:57pm

Wrong thread…

300 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:40:03pm

re: #289 kansas

I remember Bill Clinton did not serve out his term as Arkansas governor. Right?

Because he got elected to a different office..? Are you seriously going to compare the two?

301 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:40:11pm

re: #293 jcm

He lost re-election, the won again, left for the WH. IIRC.

I didn’t read that correctly the first time!

HAHAHAH!

And it was a post about Bill! LOL!

302 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:40:19pm

re: #292 sattv4u2

a day that will live in inflammery!

/dropped the bomb they did

303 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:40:32pm

re: #294 Hawaii69

Wrong thread :)

304 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:40:55pm

re: #296 Walter L. Newton

I never got an answer, did I?

It happens.

305 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:41:02pm

Palin can turn 5 seemingly reasonable dems into an orgasmic moshpit of hate in @ 3 seconds flat.
With that, I’m out.

306 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:41:09pm

Has Cato the Elder showed up yet?
This thread seems as if it’s tailor-made for him.

307 kansas  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:41:24pm

re: #298 Honorary Yooper

IIRC, it was because he won the election for President. Others have done likewise with their terms as governor, senator, rep, etc when they’ve won the election for higher office.

OK, but I think he promised that if the people elected him again, he would not run for President. I’m gonna have to check though. I’ve been having a bad streak of inaccuracy.

308 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:41:28pm

re: #253 Walter L. Newton

Walter: You’re a lefty? I’m shocked, shocked! ;-)

309 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:41:35pm

re: #297 jcm

The war that ended on the Aircraft Carrier Missouri!
/Algore

And Hirohito came down to the Missouri and signed the surrender.

/Obama

310 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:41:39pm

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

Really. And she is not the only politician in history to face mounting legal fees, justly on not. How has every other politician dealt with this? Certainly not by quitting their jobs.

They usually had taxpayer assistance, she had to do it on her own dime, big difference.

311 avanti  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:41:41pm

Here’s a potential new bill to tax gas guzzlers and give rebates to fuel efficient new cars.

Link.

312 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:42:07pm

I always find it interesting that pols running for higher office RARELY resign or quit to campaign for pres.

The “I won’t just in case I lose” thing doesn’t show much confidence.

313 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:42:22pm

re: #300 Sharmuta

Because he got elected to a different office..? Are you seriously going to compare the two?

Actually, a comparison could be rather apt. When Clinton (as much as I detest him) had legal troubles in office, he stayed as POTUS instead of stepping down. Unlike Palin, when he failed to finish his term as governor, it was because he won election for a higher office (President).

314 Erik The Red  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:42:31pm

re: #306 reine.de.tout

Has Cato the Elder showed up yet?
This thread seems as if it’s tailor-made for him.

He is still passed out from all his excitement. To much blood to the small head. :)

315 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:42:36pm

re: #272 MandyManners

Running a state. Writing a book. Speech circuit.

Uh…yeah.

BTW, Down Syndrome kids can have increasing medical problems as they get older. The demands on time can escalate beyond belief.

I guess I’m somewhat relieved she never made it to the VP’s office, then. And the Presidency would be wholly out of the question.

I don’t have any problem with her resigning in favor of tending to her family. In fact, it would have been nice to hear her say so. Immediately hitting the lecture circuit after resigning, though, suggests that personal time isn’t so much of an issue.

316 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:42:46pm

Looks like Hal Turner, the “right wing” talk show host was working for the FBI in order to INCITE the right wing nuts.

“Prosecutors have acknowledged that Turner was an informant who spied on radical right-wing organizations, but the defense has said Turner was not working for the FBI when he allegedly made threats against Connecticut legislators and wrote that three federal judges in Illinois deserved to die.”

[Link: www.breitbart.com…]

Figure this one out?

317 JarHeadLifer  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:43:16pm

re: #246 iLikeCandy

Where are you getting this?

There’s been a flurry of polling, especially since Palin walked away from her governorship. This is the most recent I’ve seen…

[Link: www.nydailynews.com…]

318 kansas  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:43:16pm

re: #311 avanti

Here’s a potential new bill to tax gas guzzlers and give rebates to fuel efficient new cars.

Link.

I thought I paid a tax per gallon.

319 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:44:00pm

re: #308 quickjustice

Walter: You’re a lefty? I’m shocked, shocked! ;-)

No, I don’t like Palin. This was a public service announcement and we will now return you to your normally schedule conservative Walter.

320 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:44:01pm

re: #315 SixDegrees

I guess I’m somewhat relieved she never made it to the VP’s office, then. And the Presidency would be wholly out of the question.

I don’t have any problem with her resigning in favor of tending to her family. In fact, it would have been nice to hear her say so. Immediately hitting the lecture circuit after resigning, though, suggests that personal time isn’t so much of an issue.

That was not my point. I was talking about trying to work a second job to earn the money to pay her legal fees.

321 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:44:04pm

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

Very strange. Very strange and odd indeed. It’s almost as though we are through the looking glass on that one.

322 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:44:16pm

re: #313 Honorary Yooper

Actually, a comparison could be rather apt. When Clinton (as much as I detest him) had legal troubles in office, he stayed as POTUS instead of stepping down. Unlike Palin, when he failed to finish his term as governor, it was because he won election for a higher office (President).

You know- probably not so good to compare and contrast with Bubba because it makes him look good- and how often does that happen?!

323 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:44:32pm

re: #264 HAL2010

Wasn’t this news tidbit about Palin saying Africa was a country part of the McCain’s team’s gossip that came from unnamed sources?

Since we don’t know what happened, it could have been a slip of the tongue which strangely enough I saw just happen on CNN. The night they were giving their 200 Day Report Card, Donna Brasile was speaking and she said the country of Africa. She quickly corrected herself.

324 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:44:38pm

re: #318 kansas

I thought I paid a tax per gallon.

MANY ,, MANY MANY MANY

You do know that the gov’t makes more per gallon than those terrible profit hungry Big Oil companies do, don’t you?

325 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:44:55pm

re: #315 SixDegrees

I guess I’m somewhat relieved she never made it to the VP’s office, then. And the Presidency would be wholly out of the question.

I don’t have any problem with her resigning in favor of tending to her family. In fact, it would have been nice to hear her say so. Immediately hitting the lecture circuit after resigning, though, suggests that personal time isn’t so much of an issue.

Also, the schedule of the lecture circuit can be dictated by Palin.

326 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:44:55pm

re: #311 avanti

That’s idiocy and micromanaging business. Using govt’ largess to social engineer as well. Call it what it is, CAFE standards with wealth redistribution.

327 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:45:11pm

re: #306 reine.de.tout

Has Cato the Elder showed up yet?
This thread seems as if it’s tailor-made for him.

This thread is civil. Does that answer your question?

328 Hawaii69  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:45:15pm

She’s got a bright future as a FOX news “analyst”.

Politics…not so much.

329 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:45:35pm

re: #287 Killian Bundy

Obama said there are 57 states and the Japanese nuked Pearl Harbor.

/what’s your point?

No that was the Germans.

/Bluto

330 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:45:41pm

re: #322 Sharmuta

You know- probably not so good to compare and contrast with Bubba because it makes him look good- and how often does that happen?!

I know. That’s why I’m screaming in agony over that comparison. Even Blagojevich (my ex-governor) makes Bubba look good.

331 Erik The Red  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:45:44pm

re: #318 kansas

I thought I paid a tax per gallon.

Try and explain that to the Dems. They tend to fail economics 101.

332 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:45:48pm

re: #311 avanti

Here’s a potential new bill to tax gas guzzlers and give rebates to fuel efficient new cars.

Link.


Looks like the luxury tax from some years ago.

That was repealed after a few years.

Let’s just keep bashing the evil “rich” people until we have NO jobs left because no one wants to pay people to work.

333 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:46:10pm

re: #318 kansas

I thought I paid a tax per gallon.

18.4¢ per gallon. Use more pay more.
Local rates vary.

334 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:46:19pm

re: #327 midwestgak

This thread is civil. Does that answer your question?

LOL
Ya gotta love da Gak! Ain’t no play school here is it? :)

335 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:46:21pm

re: #306 reine.de.tout

Has Cato the Elder showed up yet?
This thread seems as if it’s tailor-made for him.

He doesn’t need encouragement. I’m glad he’s gone on this one. He doesn’t need a thread on Palin. Any thread will do. His comments on her have been vile.

336 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:46:34pm

The most obvious political point about Palin is that Obama also lacked any “credentials” in the sense of national experience to become President. Yet he succeeded, while she failed.

337 kansas  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:46:41pm

re: #322 Sharmuta

You know- probably not so good to compare and contrast with Bubba because it makes him look good- and how often does that happen?!

I miss him every day now.

338 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:47:06pm

re: #315 SixDegrees

I guess I’m somewhat relieved she never made it to the VP’s office, then. And the Presidency would be wholly out of the question.

I don’t have any problem with her resigning in favor of tending to her family. In fact, it would have been nice to hear her say so. Immediately hitting the lecture circuit after resigning, though, suggests that personal time isn’t so much of an issue.

Fly out on a Saturday morning,,, do a lecture that night,, fly back home prior to noon on Sunday,,, have the rest of the week with family

Repeat as necessary

She could make $80,000 in a month and be away from her family for a total of 96 hours PER MONTH

339 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:47:21pm

re: #337 kansas

I miss him every day now.

Me too.

340 kansas  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:47:50pm

re: #336 quickjustice

The most obvious political point about Palin is that Obama also lacked any “credentials” in the sense of national experience to become President. Yet he succeeded, while she failed.

His failing is doing a lot more damage.

341 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:47:52pm

re: #258 Sharmuta

Did Bill Clinton quit?!

I don’t think so. Lotta folks tried to get him fired, though. I think that might have got him some legal fees.

342 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:47:54pm

re: #320 MandyManners

That was not my point. I was talking about trying to work a second job to earn the money to pay her legal fees.

Why would she have to do that? Even if we accept her figure of a half million bucks in legal obligations, she signed a book deal in May for somewhere in the neighborhood of $10 million.

I really don’t buy that she’s hurting for dough.

343 kansas  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:48:20pm

re: #340 kansas

His failing is doing a lot more damage.

His success is doing a lot more damage. Darn it.

344 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:48:31pm

Now now.

We do not discuss Lizards while they are not present.

345 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:48:35pm

re: #277 sattv4u2

So ignoring your financial obligations is a way to “deal” with it. Ya sure ya wanna go with that tact?

I would say that Sarah Palin is way more financially responsible that BHO.
She needs to service her legal debt, but BHO has quadrupled the deficit.

346 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:48:43pm

Come to think of it, from liberating Auschwitz to amputations for profit, Obama says a lot of really stupid things.

/but it’s okay, because the media’s got his back

347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:49:24pm

I just got here. Cato here?

348 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:49:29pm

re: #342 SixDegrees

Why would she have to do that? Even if we accept her figure of a half million bucks in legal obligations, she signed a book deal in May for somewhere in the neighborhood of $10 million.

I really don’t buy that she’s hurting for dough.

Signing a “book deal for $XXX ” does not always mean you get $XXX. The publisher will front you some money, but until they start seeing drafts, USABLE ones, most of the money is withheld until publication

349 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:49:31pm

re: #310 opnion

They usually had taxpayer assistance, she had to do it on her own dime, big difference.

Really? How is it that every other politician was able to get that assistance except Sarah Palin.

The excuses smell funny.

350 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:49:33pm

re: #12 HAL2010

I would have been more worried if the American public thought that walking away for your duties somehow was a good or smart move.

In other news:

WND casts doubt on Obama’s birth certificate by citing his MySpace page.

What do they think of Bat Boy’s Facebook wall?

351 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:50:14pm

re: #311 avanti

Here’s a potential new bill to tax gas guzzlers and give rebates to fuel efficient new cars.

Link.

I try to do a little bit of good in world. Foster care. For the little good I do, I need a full sized vehicle to haul the munchkins around.

Sure, let’s write loopholes for people who have legitimate and worthwhile reasons for have a large vehicle.

That’s how we got to 78,000 pages of tax code.

352 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:50:25pm

re: #344 Ben Hur

Now now.

We do not discuss Lizards while they are not present.

I haven’t noticed that custom.

Good and bad has been said about Lizards not present. I saw lots of mouth foaming about iceweasel without her presence.

353 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:50:29pm

re: #311 avanti

Here’s a potential new bill to tax gas guzzlers and give rebates to fuel efficient new cars.

Link.

Shades of the luxury tax! Just what the economy needs - an artificial disincentive to persuade people not to buy the struggling auto companies most profitable products. Brilliant!

354 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:50:32pm

re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just got here. Cato here?

Nay..When he gets here we get to poke him in the ribs…:)

355 mich-again  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:50:33pm

Maybe its not so complicated and she actually did resign to take a step back and spend more time with the family. Everyone wants to read all sorts of plotting and scheming into it. Her family life would be a challenge for anyone trying to fill the role as Governor. Then mix in the non-stop ridicule and harassment and its no surprise she just said Adios. Maybe it was different when she ran and was elected and she thought she could handle it all. But things can change fast when you have small kids with special needs.

I do hope she has fun every so often sitting up in the peanut gallery throwing rotten fruit at all the B-actors on stage in Washington DC.

356 Erik The Red  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:50:33pm

re: #344 Ben Hur

Now now.

We do not discuss Lizards while they are not present.

I agree, but nothing vile has been said. All in good fun and said in jest.

357 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:50:35pm

re: #277 sattv4u2

So ignoring your financial obligations is a way to “deal” with it. Ya sure ya wanna go with that tact?

You’re the one saying that, not me. Keep your “tact” to yourself.

358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:50:39pm

re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whoops.

359 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:50:55pm

re: #352 Silvergirl

I haven’t noticed that custom.

Good and bad has been said about Lizards not present. I saw lots of mouth foaming about iceweasel without her presence.

Daily.

360 debutaunt  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:51:31pm

re: #176 HAL2010

I know this wont be popular with certain members of LGF, but I’ll post it anyway.

The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin: A Round-Up

What politician would have any credibility left after so many lies?

hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaaa

361 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:51:34pm

re: #81 Leonidas Hoplite

I agree with you, but who knows where we’ll be in three years time.

I think a lot will depend on how effective she is campaigning for Republican candidates in the 2010 elections. And I’ll bet she does that extremely well.

362 Bobblehead  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:52:34pm

OT Remember the squirrel photo that was all over the net last week? Now you can squirreliize your own photos.

363 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:53:03pm

re: #346 Killian Bundy

Come to think of it, from liberating Auschwitz to amputations for profit, Obama says a lot of really stupid things.

/but it’s okay, because the media’s got his back

At least he didn’t claim that President FDR went on TV in 1929.

364 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:53:16pm

re: #327 midwestgak

This thread is civil. Does that answer your question?

He is going to go flat out mental when he learns that he missed this.

365 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:53:46pm

re: #357 Slumbering Behemoth

You’re the one saying that, not me. Keep your “tact” to yourself.

You stated other people found a way. I gave you the example of the Clintons ignoring their legal fee obligations while Palin is hitting hers head on
In my example, the Clintons “found a way” I asked if you wanted to go with that “way”

It was all in the context of outr back and forth

366 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:54:11pm

re: #314 Erik The Red

He is still passed out from all his excitement. To much blood to the small head. :)

Oh, hell.
I missed it.

367 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:54:23pm

re: #352 Silvergirl

I haven’t noticed that custom.

Good and bad has been said about Lizards not present. I saw lots of mouth foaming about iceweasel without her presence.

That damn IceDub…I have stacked up lumber at the altar…She is our resident left wing woman…So I thought we’d burn her at the stake…Who want’s to throw the first match? I got lighter fluid!
/

368 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:54:23pm

Gotta’ feed the horde.

369 fizzlogic  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:54:23pm

re: #351 jcm

I try to do a little bit of good in world. Foster care. For the little good I do, I need a full sized vehicle to haul the munchkins around.

You’re not thinking outside the box… ;)

370 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:54:42pm

re: #348 sattv4u2

Signing a “book deal for $XXX ” does not always mean you get $XXX. The publisher will front you some money, but until they start seeing drafts, USABLE ones, most of the money is withheld until publication

It’s due for publication in the spring. That strongly suggests it’s already written, or mostly so.

And it’s still $10 million in the bank, 20 time more than her alleged legal liabilities. If she owes that money, she owes it to her own lawyers, who will be intimately familiar with her other financial circumstances and who will happily wait a few months, if necessary, to collect their fees.

Still not buying this argument. She seems perfectly capable of paying her bills, with plenty left over.

371 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:54:47pm

re: #352 Silvergirl

I haven’t noticed that custom.

Good and bad has been said about Lizards not present. I saw lots of mouth foaming about iceweasel without her presence.

Because you’re not here when we’re not talking about you.

372 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:54:52pm

re: #362 Bobblehead

OT Remember the squirrel photo that was all over the net last week? Now you can squirreliize your own photos.

Excellent, the squirrel found his nuts.

373 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:54:59pm

re: #363 ArchangelMichael

At least he didn’t claim that President FDR went on TV in 1929.

No, that’d be Joe Biden, arguably the most malaprop and foot-in-mouth prone of any VP since Dan Quayle.

374 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:55:21pm

re: #369 trendsurfer

You’re not thinking outside the box… ;)

ROFL!

The boys would love it!

375 Erik The Red  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:55:57pm

re: #366 reine.de.tout

Oh, hell.
I missed it.

Didn’t even make it to the thread.

376 SurferDoc  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:56:00pm

In a way it is a good thing he missed it. He’d have to consult a physician about an erection lasting more than four hours.

377 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:56:09pm

re: #349 Slumbering Behemoth

Really? How is it that every other politician was able to get that assistance except Sarah Palin.

The excuses smell funny.

I said that their fees were paid by taxpayers , Alaska doesn’t do that.
She really never uised that as an excuse , at least didn’t hear it.
I say again, she is held to a much higher standard.

378 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:56:11pm

re: #371 Ben Hur

Because you’re not here when we’re not talking about you.

Hahaha!

379 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:56:13pm

re: #352 Silvergirl

I haven’t noticed that custom.

Good and bad has been said about Lizards not present. I saw lots of mouth foaming about iceweasel without her presence.

SEriously though:

It may not have elevated to “custom” yet, but there have been times when people put a stop to it.

It shouldn’t be done, in my opinion.

Though the ladies are free to discuss The Hur when he’s not around.

380 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:56:20pm

re: #367 HoosierHoops

No ignition necessary. The Weasel’s good at pushing buttons, including mine. It makes her day.

381 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:56:33pm

re: #370 SixDegrees

It’s due for publication in the spring. That strongly suggests it’s already written, or mostly so.

And it’s still $10 million in the bank, 20 time more than her alleged legal liabilities. If she owes that money, she owes it to her own lawyers, who will be intimately familiar with her other financial circumstances and who will happily wait a few months, if necessary, to collect their fees.

Still not buying this argument. She seems perfectly capable of paying her bills, with plenty left over.

Again, it’s NOT “in the bank”, especially if as you say it won;t even be published until the spring! Thats 9 MONTHS away

382 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:56:48pm

I’ve noticed some pose the question “If Palin is done in politics, why are you all still talking about her”, as if they just laid down some ninja-style, critical thinking “gotcha”.

The equation is simpler than “1+1=2”…

People keep talking about Palin, because Palin keeps talking to “The People”.

Not hard to understand, really.

383 kansas  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:57:10pm

re: #373 Honorary Yooper

No, that’d be Joe Biden, arguably the most malaprop and foot-in-mouth prone of any VP since Dan Quayle.

I wonder if the MSM was actually honest in their reporting, how Biden and Quayle would stack up?

384 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:57:32pm

re: #352 Silvergirl

I haven’t noticed that custom.

Good and bad has been said about Lizards not present. I saw lots of mouth foaming about iceweasel without her presence.

Quite a few Lizards seem to have Iceweasel Derangement Syndrome. I can think of a few dozen other people who post here who are far more irritating yet draw far less criticism. Maybe it’s latent misogyny.

385 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:57:38pm

And I’m done

Gotta go wrestle my way through Atlanta traffic

386 Erik The Red  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:58:16pm

re: #385 sattv4u2

And I’m done

Gotta go wrestle my way through Atlanta traffic

Later satt enjoy your drive home. :)

387 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:58:23pm

re: #361 Son of the Black Dog

I think a lot will depend on how effective she is campaigning for Republican candidates in the 2010 elections. And I’ll bet she does that extremely well.

I agree with you , heretic. :)

388 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:58:46pm

re: #384 ArchangelMichael

Quite a few Lizards seem to have Iceweasel Derangement Syndrome. I can think of a few dozen other people who post here who are far more irritating yet draw far less criticism. Maybe it’s latent misogyny.

I thought that next to Cato the Elder, I was the most irritating commenter here?

389 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:59:06pm

re: #373 Honorary Yooper

No, that’d be Joe Biden, arguably the most malaprop and foot-in-mouth prone of any VP since Dan Quayle.

“Stand up Chuck!”

390 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 2:59:53pm

re: #364 opnion

He is going to go flat out mental when he learns that he missed this.

Since when has he needed a Palin thread?

391 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:00:41pm

re: #380 quickjustice

No ignition necessary. The Weasel’s good at pushing buttons, including mine. It makes her day.

Her Soros check is commission based- the more buttons she pushes, the more she earns.

/

392 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:00:50pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

I thought that next to Cato the Elder, I was the most irritating commenter here?

You are {Walter}. You are./

393 iceweasel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:00:58pm

re: #237 quickjustice

Let me be more precise: Palin’s name is first mentioned by the lefties on the LGF links. The Weasel on the last thread, for example. Out of the blue, the Weasel surfaces Palin. Obsessed?

Demonstrably false. Others were discussing Palin first; I happened to comment.

BTW, a search of my posts here will show that I have consistently condemned what I see as outrageous and misogynistic attacks on Palin— especially by the left. I would never vote for her and I lost all remaining respect for her over the death panel business, but that is far from a view confined only to ‘lefties’ —here or anywhere.

Obsessed? Apparently you are.

394 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:01:06pm

re: #381 sattv4u2

Again, it’s NOT “in the bank”, especially if as you say it won;t even be published until the spring! Thats 9 MONTHS away

It’s already in the schedule. It wouldn’t be if it weren’t largely complete.

And you don’t know if she was paid a lump sum, an advance or what exactly took place. Fact is, there’s ten million bucks either headed her way in short order or already in her bank account. I’m not buying the “financially challenged” story. It doesn’t hold any water.

395 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:01:09pm

re: #390 Wendya

Since when has he needed a Palin thread?

It just brings out the worst in him.

396 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:01:47pm

re: #393 iceweasel

It’s teh IDS.

397 SFGoth  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:02:15pm

I think she’s going to be as seriously overexposed in 2012 as Obama will be. She should have taken some time off, done a “listening tour”, maybe studied something, done some behind-the-scenes-work, etc., but now, the more she talks, the worse it gets.

398 SurferDoc  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:02:31pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

You are intellectually honest. That buys you a lot of slack in my book.

399 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:02:59pm

re: #398 SurferDoc

You are intellectually honest. That buys you a lot of slack in my book.

It’s all an act!

;-P

400 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:03:07pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

I thought that next to Cato the Elder, I was the most irritating commenter here?

Cage match!

401 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:03:28pm

Candyman!

402 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:03:32pm

re: #368 MandyManners

Gotta’ feed the horde.

if you feed them, they will come.

403 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:03:33pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

I thought that next to Cato the Elder, I was the most irritating commenter here?

I was under the impression that the most irritating commenter award went to a certain Dr. who will remain nameless.

404 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:03:33pm

re: #380 quickjustice

No ignition necessary. The Weasel’s good at pushing buttons, including mine. It makes her day.

LOL
We have so few liberals here…It brings a nice edge to the room…We should discuss the left..the middle and the right…Charles gets slammed for allowing different view points.. But I think it is healthy in this day and age…Because Charles has allowed a few liberals to post here he is now the Spawn of Satan.. People are so fucking stupid…

405 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:03:55pm

re: #400 Sharmuta

Cage match!

Two avatars enter. One avatar leaves.

406 akalivas  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:04:21pm

re: #59 opnion

Not really, she does a Facebook posting & in less than a week a provision is removed from the Health proposal. I would say that she is relevant.

That’s my view too. She is quite relevant.
Her resigning was unconventional, but in my opinion a perfect personal and political move.

I guess that puts me in the minority camp both here and in that poll. But isn’t that poll 2 weeks old? before Sarah’s Facebook postings and the political reaction? I may be mixing up my polls, but I think this is a poll “held” on purpose to maximize Palin’s negatives. There are a number of other reputable polls that indicate that Palin’s favorables have been quite good since she resigned.

BTW, I’m new here. And yes, I’m a huge Palin fan. She’s by far my favorite former/future? politician and I hope that she continues to speak up and support smart, small, accountable government. I don’t particularly mind if she does that as a regular citizen or as the President of the United States.

I know this site is lukewarm to Palin but I’ve pledged to “play nice” and so I’ll do my best to not be an annoying Sarah-dule. I trust you all will let me know if I do go overboard.

407 Locker  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:04:30pm

re: #352 Silvergirl

I haven’t noticed that custom.

Good and bad has been said about Lizards not present. I saw lots of mouth foaming about iceweasel without her presence.

I can’t get the image of a foaming ice weasel out of my mind now. First it’s a cartoon Weasel with a mouth full of alka seltzer then it’s a frozen garden weasel in a car wash… I CAN’T STOP!

408 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:04:51pm

re: #336 quickjustice

The most obvious political point about Palin is that Obama also lacked any “credentials” in the sense of national experience to become President. Yet he succeeded, while she failed.

Being governor used to be considered experience. Looking at the current crop, I really don’t see any I’d want as President. Even less so for the Senate.

409 SurferDoc  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:04:55pm

re: #404 HoosierHoops

LOL
We have so few liberals here…It brings a nice edge to the room…We should discuss the left..the middle and the right…Charles gets slammed for allowing different view points.. But I think it is healthy in this day and age…Because Charles has allowed a few liberals to post here he is now the Spawn of Satan.. People are so fucking stupid…

Not to mention that it makes a target-rich environment.

410 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:05:03pm

BBL

411 DEZes  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:05:04pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

I thought that next to Cato the Elder, I was the most irritating commenter here?

Not even close, you are okay by me.

412 DEZes  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:05:23pm

Hello Lizards.

413 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:05:26pm

re: #405 SixDegrees

Two avatars enter. One avatar leaves.

The winner gets to face iDub in a death match!

414 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:05:45pm

re: #408 Wendya

Being governor used to be considered experience. Looking at the current crop, I really don’t see any I’d want as President. Even less so for the Senate.

I’ll take former governor Romney, right about now.

415 iceweasel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:06:15pm

re: #352 Silvergirl

I haven’t noticed that custom.

Good and bad has been said about Lizards not present. I saw lots of mouth foaming about iceweasel without her presence.

Cheers SG. This is exactly why I never search my nic. It’s offputting enough as it is to discover people discussing me when I’m not present, especially when they are people who apparently can’t win an argument with me, and so choose to indulge in backbiting instead of any direct confrontation.

Depressing, and I don’t think it’s cool when that’s done— to anyone not present.

Anyway, that’s all I have to say about it. Apologies for an OT post, but thanks again.

416 Lee Coller  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:06:21pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

I thought that next to Cato the Elder, I was the most irritating commenter here?

Not even close, I can think of a few who are a lot more irratating (they have large negative karmas). I shall not name them because when I do they tend to show up.

417 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:06:43pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

I thought that next to Cato the Elder, I was the most irritating commenter here?


You’re a pussy cat.
You rarely beat a dead horse
Its dog eat dog sometimes

418 Locker  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:06:51pm

re: #404 HoosierHoops

LOL
We have so few liberals here…It brings a nice edge to the room…We should discuss the left..the middle and the right…Charles gets slammed for allowing different view points.. But I think it is healthy in this day and age…Because Charles has allowed a few liberals to post here he is now the Spawn of Satan.. People are so fucking stupid…

I thought liberals were the Spawn of Satan so really is a TOTSOS (Tolerant of the Spawns of Satan)… if we were gaming my friends would instantly anoint him as T0tSauce.

419 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:07:01pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

I thought that next to Cato the Elder, I was the most irritating commenter here?

No one can touch Cato for pure, equal-opportunity curmudgeonliness (and I got a spell check on that, guess it’s not a word)

420 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:07:06pm

It’s quitting time here, so time for a grunge roll.

Youtube Video


My son hates me for showing this to him… “Dad, like you totally ruined that song for me…”

421 albusteve  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:07:31pm

blogging can get too serious…we are all on the same path

422 iceweasel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:07:32pm

re: #396 ArchangelMichael

It’s teh IDS.

It really is, and I think you were right in attributing some of it to misogyny. Not all, but some.

423 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:07:47pm

re: #416 Lee Coller

Not even close, I can think of a few who are a lot more irratating (they have large negative karmas). I shall not name them because when I do they tend to show up.

Beetlejuice beetlejuice…
(I know, I think we did have a poster by than name…
And Betelgeuse might be going supernova soon.

424 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:07:51pm

re: #404 HoosierHoops

LOL
We have so few liberals here…It brings a nice edge to the room…We should discuss the left..the middle and the right…Charles gets slammed for allowing different view points.. But I think it is healthy in this day and age…Because Charles has allowed a few liberals to post here he is now the Spawn of Satan.. People are so fucking stupid…

All this time I thought he was the Spawn of Godzilla. Damn I hate it when I am wrong.

425 iceweasel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:08:36pm

re: #413 Sharmuta

The winner gets to face iDub in a death match!

10,000 quatloos on the newcomer!

:)

426 kansas  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:08:56pm

re: #422 iceweasel

It really is, and I think you were right in attributing some of it to misogyny. Not all, but some.

I think it’s from your former tactic of ridicule. Now that you don’t do that anymore it’s not so infuriating.

427 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:09:15pm

I get tired of people outsourcing their critical thinking abilities to Rush Limbaugh and Laura Ingraham, both of whom repeat the utter lie that SoCons were out in numbers for republicans and that it was the RINO population that first handed Nancy Pelosi and then Barack Obama power.

Flat. Out. Lie.

How do they argue with someone on the point? They simply deny that anyone has proven that evangelicals “stayed home.”

Well they didn’t - 10% more simply voted for the other side in 2006 for an effecive swing of 20%. But (as the article below states) a full 50% of church going voters voted Democrat - a big increase over prior elections. Barone then worked out that it was mid west Catholics who led that defection.

And in 2008 they stayed home.

Salon.com did a tidy wrap up of the facts, along with quotes from the disaffected saying that they voted for the other team to teach the Republicans a lesson.
[Link: www.salon.com…]

And here is a story on the catholic flip in 2006 -

Democrats nationally won the a majority of the Catholic vote that the president had captured in 2004 and they significantly narrowed the large deficit among evangelical voters that Sen. John Kerry had faced.

[Link: www.post-gazette.com…]

Yep - tried and true reliable voters those SoCons are. They just vote for the other side when they don’t get what they want packaged in the passionate, divisive candidates that they insist on. Precisely what you want in a coalition. (that was sarcasm).

In 2008, the defections grew among those who went to the polls while more of the older, white religious conservatives stayed home.

[Link: www.highbeam.com…]

SoCons - Please refrain from accusing people of propagandizing when you have not done the research which is available to you through search engines. Take little from Rush and Ingraham “on faith” - they are both dis-honest when it comes to anything that portrays SoCons poorly. And that is propagandizing on their part (it is also sinful behavior - ooga booga).

428 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:09:30pm

re: #425 iceweasel

10,000 quatloos on the newcomer!

:)

Oh, uh-uh, no way.

429 Dianna  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:10:25pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

I thought that next to Cato the Elder, I was the most irritating commenter here?

I have other candidates.

430 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:10:32pm

re: #406 akalivas

Good post. I am a Palin fan. I don’t know that she should or shouldn’t be elected President. My view of her is based more on her decency as a person & some of the vile things said about her should shame a lot of her detractors.
BTW Welcome.

431 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:11:07pm

re: #425 iceweasel

10,000 quatloos on the newcomer!

:)

Newcomers have been vended to Provider iDub.

432 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:11:12pm

At a town hall sponsored by a conservative radio host in Las Vegas, a woman yells “Heil Hitler” to an Israeli man praising Israel’s national health care system:

FLV Video
433 harpsicon  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:11:20pm

Palin wins, according the Wall Street Journal’s best of the web today

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

Whatever you think of the lady, she’s obviously a natural-born politician (and you may not like that idea either!). This is why the Left, with one voice, set out to trash her the moment her acceptance speech was over - what was it Olbermann said, it was great if you like that sort of thing…

And clearly, she’s not lying low, but neither is she overexposed at this point; she can twitter and blog stuff that has been vetted, so that it’s all nice and like she wants it to be - not like the gotcha interviews she had to do. And of course it’s true; they brought her out too early, but then the Republican bin was pretty empty when it came to a VP candidate.

Great politicians play it from their gut, so whatever reasons we speculate about being behind her moves almost don’t matter. If the Lt Gov in Alaska is as good as she thinks, then she definitely did the right thing by the people up there. If she has a book deal and speaking engagements, and doesn’t have to defend these idiot suits, then she did the right thing for herself and her family. If she can help shoot down Obama-care, then she’s doing the right thing by the country.

It may be unconventional, but great politicians have a sixth sense.

434 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:11:42pm

re: #425 iceweasel

10,000 quatloos on the newcomer!

:)

What a jip…You can’t even buy a 2 man tent from Camels Cigarettes for 10000!
/They sell tents right?

435 Dianna  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:12:12pm

re: #406 akalivas

Brace yourself.

436 J.S.  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:12:18pm

re: #432 Charles

Hope it wasn’t a Canadian or a United church member…lol

437 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:12:26pm

re: #406 akalivas

Welcome akalivas! Good post. Keep ‘em coming.

Why did you chose your nic?

438 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:12:44pm

re: #427 karmic_inquisitor

Great post! I think the thing that has harmed the GOP the most is the embracing of anti-intellectualism. Who wants to think anymore? Now we’re reaping the “benefits”.

439 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:12:48pm

re: #420 Thanos

That was very close to sacrilegious. Is nothing sacred anymore?

440 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:13:29pm

re: #418 Locker

I thought liberals were the Spawn of Satan so really is a TOTSOS (Tolerant of the Spawns of Satan)… if we were gaming my friends would instantly anoint him as T0tSauce.

Your a dog lover, that gets you points.

441 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:13:33pm

re: #406 akalivas

Welcome.
I’m a former Palin fan. She just never quite lived up to the potential I hoped she had.

442 Gus  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:14:06pm

re: #432 Charles

At a town hall sponsored by a conservative radio host in Las Vegas, a woman yells “Heil Hitler” to an Israeli man praising Israel’s national health care system:


[Video]

I couldn’t help but notice her earrings.

Disgusting.

443 albusteve  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:14:08pm

re: #439 Mich-again

That was very close to sacrilegious. Is nothing sacred anymore?

Nirvana?…I break wind upon them

444 DEZes  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:14:26pm

re: #432 Charles

At a town hall sponsored by a conservative radio host in Las Vegas, a woman yells “Heil Hitler” to an Israeli man praising Israel’s national health care system:


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I am so grateful thats not my mother.

445 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:14:56pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

I thought that next to Cato the Elder, I was the most irritating commenter here?

Bzzz, Walter…sorry, you lose! ;) You don’t even come close…you are only irritating when you have to be. With you, it is not a hobby.

446 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:15:04pm

re: #439 Mich-again

That was very close to sacrilegious. Is nothing sacred anymore?

No, nothing is sacred.
Good cartoon though.

447 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:15:04pm

Woman Yells Heil Hitler To Jewish Man Praising Israels National Health System

Youtube Video
448 avanti  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:15:17pm

re: #432 Charles

At a town hall sponsored by a conservative radio host in Las Vegas, a woman yells “Heil Hitler” to an Israeli man praising Israel’s national health care system:


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That woman is not a compassionate conservative by a long shot.

449 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:15:21pm

re: #412 DEZes

Hello Lizards.

Hey DEZ.

450 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:15:27pm

re: #176 HAL2010

I know this wont be popular with certain members of LGF, but I’ll post it anyway.

The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin: A Round-Up

What politician would have any credibility left after so many lies?

All politicians?

451 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:15:36pm

re: #432 Charles

heh. Beat me to that one

452 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:15:45pm

re: #433 harpsicon

It’s a pyrhic and non essential victory. The defeat of the Public Plan, which is the ESSENTIAL argument, was brought about by others. Palin contributed nada to that, she just distracted.

453 Dianna  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:15:47pm

I’m out. Take care!

454 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:15:48pm

re: #445 NY Nana

Bzzz, Walter…sorry, you lose! ;) You don’t even come close…you are only irritating when you have to be. With you, it is not a hobby.

NY Nana! It’s always nice to see you…What up?

455 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:16:02pm

re: #441 reine.de.tout

Welcome.
I’m a former Palin fan. She just never quite lived up to the potential I hoped she had.

My thoughts on her exactly. The more I saw, the less enamored I became.

456 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:16:10pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

I thought that next to Cato the Elder, I was the most irritating commenter here?

Well. I want to thank you for all the wonderful supporting comments… er… I think? :)

457 SurferDoc  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:16:20pm

Hey, Walter, there is an uncropped pic of the Az gun guy on Drudge, if you haven’t seen it already.

458 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:16:24pm

re: #438 Sharmuta

Great post! I think the thing that has harmed the GOP the most is the embracing of anti-intellectualism. Who wants to think anymore? Now we’re reaping the “benefits”.

I don’t see any great thinking going on with the Dems.

459 garycooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:16:42pm

Believe it…or not!

Earliest humans began our slide towards the tipping-point, and the extinction of our race. By farming!

[Link: www.economist.com…]

460 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:17:17pm

re: #432 Charles

Completely disgusting.

461 charles_martel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:17:18pm

re: #432 Charles

Good God. People are so filled with rage and hate, it’s absolutely disgusting.

That’s why I would never go to any of those town halls, the people they seem to attract are vile.

462 Locker  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:17:24pm

re: #427 karmic_inquisitor

I get tired of people outsourcing their critical thinking abilities to Rush Limbaugh and Laura Ingraham, both of whom repeat the utter lie that SoCons were out in numbers for republicans and that it was the RINO population that first handed Nancy Pelosi and then Barack Obama power.

Maybe RINO should be added to the LGF dictionary as I didn’t parse it, yea I’m new. Thankfully Urban Dictionary hooked me up.

Republican in name only; typically means a member of the GOP who’s more liberal than a Republican should be

463 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:17:36pm

re: #442 Gus 802

I couldn’t help but notice her earrings.

Disgusting.

Crosses.
Disgusting.

464 DEZes  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:17:36pm

re: #449 midwestgak

Hey DEZ.

Hello back atcha.

465 Gus  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:17:51pm

re: #463 reine.de.tout

Crosses.
Disgusting.

Yep.

466 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:18:05pm

re: #458 opnion

I don’t see any great thinking going on with the Dems.

Then that makes two parties. Isn’t American politics great?

467 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:18:06pm

We all aliens…
Or stardust…

Building block of life found on comet

The amino acid glycine, a fundamental building block of proteins, has been found in a comet for the first time, bolstering the theory that raw ingredients of life arrived on Earth from outer space, scientists said on Monday.

Microscopic traces of glycine were discovered in a sample of particles retrieved from the tail of comet Wild 2 by the NASA spacecraft Stardust deep in the solar system some 242 million miles (390 million km) from Earth, in January 2004.

468 albusteve  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:18:30pm

re: #463 reine.de.tout

Crosses.
Disgusting.

democrat werewolves are out to get her

469 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:18:42pm
470 garycooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:18:51pm

re: #446 Kosh’s Shadow

No, nothing is sacred.
Good cartoon though.

Gahan Wilson is God.

471 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:18:56pm

re: #458 opnion

I don’t see any great thinking going on with the Dems.

I don’t see any great thinking inside the beltway…

472 Lee Coller  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:19:12pm

re: #432 Charles

At a town hall sponsored by a conservative radio host in Las Vegas, a woman yells “Heil Hitler” to an Israeli man praising Israel’s national health care system:


[Video]

How long before someone claims she was a democratic plant?

473 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:19:36pm

re: #432 Charles

At a town hall sponsored by a conservative radio host in Las Vegas, a woman yells “Heil Hitler” to an Israeli man praising Israel’s national health care system:

FLV Video

what a puke head
Vegas has a lot of different gangs. Depending on your neighborhood/school, there are whole areas where you or a member of your family really do HAVE to belong to a gang. One of the largest ‘white’ gangs is the Skinheads. I actually know a young man whose elder brother joined the skinheads as protection against the Crips. By one family member joining a gang, the rest of the family is ‘protected’ If we could find a solution to the gang problems in the major cities, we could solve all the wars in the world.

474 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:19:46pm

re: #466 Sharmuta

Then that makes two parties. Isn’t American politics great?

Bipartisan ignorance?

475 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:20:27pm

re: #472 Lee Coller

How long before someone claims she was a democratic plant?

Do Democrat plants have greener leaves than Republican plants?

476 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:20:44pm

re: #471 jcm

I don’t see any great thinking inside the beltway…

When you’re in D.C it is striking how insular the place is.

477 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:20:45pm

re: #457 SurferDoc

Hey, Walter, there is an uncropped pic of the Az gun guy on Drudge, if you haven’t seen it already.

Yes, that was the SAME picture that CNN was using on it’s website this morning. On the front page photo, his head was totally cropped off and the same photo, on the page with the article, had just a little bit of his chin and cheek.

It still makes me wonder (sure) why they didn’t use the whole picture? They own the video.

478 DEZes  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:21:16pm

re: #472 Lee Coller

How long before someone claims she was a democratic plant?

How long before someone claims she is human?

479 Locker  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:21:20pm

re: #475 reine.de.tout

Do Democrat plants have greener leaves than Republican plants?

Greener lungs.

480 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:21:40pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

I thought that next to Cato the Elder, I was the most irritating commenter here?

You are a sweetie. I won’t mention the name of the commenter-who-is-even-more-irritating-than-the-Palin-hater.

481 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:21:41pm

I’m heading home, then I get to play plumber; our toilet’s inlet valve won’t always shut off. I have a new one in my trunk (local hardware store is only open 8-5)

So if you start a Kosh the Plumber thread, I won’t get to see it.

482 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:22:20pm

re: #432 Charles

Most ironic background music ever.

483 albusteve  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:22:37pm

re: #474 opnion

Bipartisan ignorance?

that’s why we are discussing fringe elements and their impact on politics…they are in the drivers seat…the vast electorate allows the kooks to drive the bus…most people can’t name their own senators

484 SurferDoc  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:22:39pm

Later, Lizards. Gotta go back to work.

485 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:23:01pm

re: #422 iceweasel

It really is, and I think you were right in attributing some of it to misogyny. Not all, but some.

It’s not misogyny. It’s your positions.

486 Locker  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:23:43pm

re: #481 Kosh’s Shadow

I’m heading home, then I get to play plumber; our toilet’s inlet valve won’t always shut off. I have a new one in my trunk (local hardware store is only open 8-5)

So if you start a Kosh the Plumber thread, I won’t get to see it.

Kosh the Plumber says tools are for the weak. He will be changing said inlet valve with nothing more than his bare hands, a few curse words and some hair gel.

487 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:23:45pm

re: #476 opnion

When you’re in D.C it is striking how insular the place is.

Highest concentrations of administratium know to exist anywhere.

488 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:24:38pm

re: #432 Charles

At a town hall sponsored by a conservative radio host in Las Vegas, a woman yells “Heil Hitler” to an Israeli man praising Israel’s national health care system:

She’s wearing an IDF T-shirt!

489 J.S.  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:25:03pm

re: #469 buzzsawmonkey

I believe (if I’m interpreting this correctly) she was mocking him with pretend crying. (btw, one of the reasons how/why Canada has a National Health Care program is due to the impoverishment of the 1930s, followed by two horrific world wars — injured vets returned to Canada, and couldn’t afford doctors/hospitals/treatment…Tommy Douglas convinced doctors that their best hope was with a nationalized health care system — the doctors eventually came on board, and for the most part, agreed — on humanitarian grounds — to a National health care system (adopted in the 60s in Canada.)

490 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:25:31pm

re: #472 Lee Coller

How long before someone claims she was a democratic plant?

Can anyone see what was on her t shirt?

491 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:25:41pm

re: #488 Alouette

She’s wearing an IDF T-shirt!

Wouldn’t be the first time a “supporter” of Israel hid behind such a device.

492 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:25:48pm

re: #490 Wendya

Can anyone see what was on her t shirt?

She’s wearing an IDF T-shirt.

493 Gus  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:25:57pm

re: #432 Charles

At a town hall sponsored by a conservative radio host in Las Vegas, a woman yells “Heil Hitler” to an Israeli man praising Israel’s national health care system:


[Video]

Even was at Stoney’s and sponsored by KDWN. You can see some other video clips here:

Tempers flare in Las Vegas over Obama’s health care plan

494 Locker  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:26:04pm

re: #488 Alouette

She’s wearing an IDF T-shirt!

Hmm.Intermediate Distribution Frame? She’s a Network Engineer? Hehe sorry just didn’t recognize the acronym from anything but work.

495 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:26:14pm

re: #466 Sharmuta

Then that makes two parties. Isn’t American politics great?


Unfortunately, the alternatives aren’t turning my crank.

496 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:26:17pm

re: #488 Alouette

She’s wearing an IDF T-shirt!

Did she check her brains at the door?

497 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:26:20pm

re: #454 HoosierHoops

The temperature is up! At least we didn’t make 90 today, but the humidity? Ugh. Our A/C’s are begging for a time out, while we are trying to imagine what our Con Ed bill will be!

I wonder if Charles’ hamsters are looking for a second job.

Youtube Video

So how’s by you?

498 Gus  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:26:25pm

Her name is Pamela Pilger.

499 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:26:29pm
500 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:26:33pm

re: #494 Locker

Hmm.Intermediate Distribution Frame? She’s a Network Engineer? Hehe sorry just didn’t recognize the acronym from anything but work.

Israeli Defense Forces

501 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:27:00pm

re: #498 Gus 802

Her name is Pamela Pilger.

How did you find that?

502 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:27:03pm

re: #483 albusteve

that’s why we are discussing fringe elements and their impact on politics…they are in the drivers seat…the vast electorate allows the kooks to drive the bus…most people can’t name their own senators

I don’t think that it is a matter of allowing them to do anything.
They exercise their rights & are overly agressive & sure of thir positions even in the face of contrary facts.
I recall a case study in Sociology , could have been Max Weber, claimimg that street gang leadership was assumed by the most agressive nut.
Could be in play with fringe players.

503 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:27:12pm

re: #438 Sharmuta

When was the last time either political party was genuinely “intellectual”?

504 Locker  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:27:19pm

re: #500 reine.de.tout

Israeli Defense Forces

Thank you very much reine.

505 iceweasel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:27:24pm

re: #426 kansas

I think it’s from your former tactic of ridicule. Now that you don’t do that anymore it’s not so infuriating.

Oh, I’d never deny can I can be really annoying, or step over the line— I do both regularly, despite my best efforts.

That definitely isn’t the only reason though. Interestingly, I’ve noticed a correlation between bad news for the republicans and iDub bashing. Things were especially ugly when Palin resigned —some people were especially mean to me for no reason— it’s not as if I had posted anything about it or been mean to Palin.
I also notice a trend of attributing to me opinions I don’t have and things I haven’t said. Even on this thread.

For some people (not all) it’s like they have an idea in their head of what ‘lefties think’ or what ‘lefties are’, and they choose to mistakenly have a fight with that— rather than anything I’ve actually done or said. I’m a stand-in for their idea of a leftie or a Dem— ironic, given that I’m not a Dem and I have harsh criticisms of Obama.

Some people, sometimes, that is. I’d never deny that I’m capable of dealing out punches as well as taking them—-and often i deal them out to people to don’t actually deserve them. I’m always trying not to do that, but sometimes it’s hard.

506 Gus  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:27:25pm

re: #493 Gus 802

EvenEvent was at Stoney’s and sponsored by KDWN. You can see some other video clips here:

Tempers flare in Las Vegas over Obama’s health care plan

PIMF

507 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:27:41pm

re: #504 Locker

Welcome.

508 Gus  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:27:47pm

re: #501 reine.de.tout

How did you find that?

On the video clip at the link I just posted.

[Link: www.ktnv.com…]

509 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:27:47pm

re: #494 Locker

Hmm.Intermediate Distribution Frame? She’s a Network Engineer? Hehe sorry just didn’t recognize the acronym from anything but work.

Here is the T Shirt

510 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:27:53pm

re: #487 jcm

Highest concentrations of administratium know to exist anywhere.

Yeah, but very low unemployment, lots of government jobs.

511 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:28:53pm

re: #498 Gus 802

Her name is Pamela Pilger.

Any relation to John Pilger?

512 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:28:55pm
513 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:28:58pm

BTW - if you are looking for a national leader who will lead the country from the White House, try to avoid people whose remaining appeal is sympathy for being treated unfairly.

The clue phone is ringing and the ring tone says “Life is unfair and politics more so.”

Reagan smiled at is critics, chided them gently, and then got people’s attention by pointing out that his critics had him, his message, and the American people all wrong. he was patient and consistent.

And good natured.

And he never mischaracterized his opponents. He labeled them, but the labels stuck because they rang true - something opponents like Tip O’Neill admitted to.

He never complained about getting beat up except to use the phrase “there you go again”.

It took a long time for him to build his base and his message but he stuck it out. And he invited people he disagreed with on some issues but agreed with on many issues on board.

That is leadership. Political leadership.

It ain’t personality - it is hard, honest work and consistency

514 iceweasel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:29:00pm

re: #432 Charles

At a town hall sponsored by a conservative radio host in Las Vegas, a woman yells “Heil Hitler” to an Israeli man praising Israel’s national health care system:


[Video]

I just saw that over at think progress. I think the moment when she makes crying noises like a baby in order to mock him when he gets (justifiably) angry is a nice new watershed moment in our political discourse.

515 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:29:16pm

re: #512 buzzsawmonkey

That is what I thought, too. Now, why she is saying “Heil Hitler” to an Israeli while wearing an IDF T-shirt and at the same time telling him he should be against Obama—I’m sorry, but I need a new Symbol Guidebook.

That is just weirod.

516 Locker  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:29:17pm

re: #503 quickjustice

When was the last time either political party was genuinely “intellectual”?

I don’t know what your criteria is but I sure feel like some of us lefties are called “elitist”, “college hippies”, etc etc. This always kind of confused me. Flaming someone for being smart. Kookie.

517 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:29:40pm

re: #498 Gus 802

Her name is Pamela Pilger.

Link? is she Dr Pamela Pilger? Nice reaction to the man’s medical bills from a doctor.

518 jcm  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:29:45pm

re: #510 opnion

Yeah, but very low unemployment, lots of government jobs.

Nothing ever escapes… not even logic.

519 albusteve  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:30:04pm

re: #502 opnion

I don’t think that it is a matter of allowing them to do anything.
They exercise their rights & are overly agressive & sure of thir positions even in the face of contrary facts.
I recall a case study in Sociology , could have been Max Weber, claimimg that street gang leadership was assumed by the most agressive nut.
Could be in play with fringe players.

few Americans vote…if they vetted the candidates and voted accordingly, we might be in this perenial quagmire

520 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:30:18pm

Palin now has a choice. She can return to private life. That has its advantages, and she’s unlikely to make it big time on the national stage.

If she wants to have another grab at the brass ring, she has to study up on geopolitics, health care, and yeah, science. As a civilian among civilians in private life, she’s far better informed than most and considerably better educated. As a shark among the sharks, she’s not well enough informed and while further formal education wouldn’t serve any purpose, it would be nice if she knew more science than most politicians. It’s not like that’s a high bar, and people who think she’s stupid are, umm, not bright enough to distinguish brains from striking a pose. Any number of politicians strike an intellectual pose but in the end know nothing. Gary Hart had his photo taken playing chess with his wife, but unfortunately he didn’t know how to set up the board so he’s sitting there pretending to play chess with pawns on the first rank.

521 Lee Coller  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:30:34pm

re: #517 Killgore Trout

Link? is she Dr Pamela Pilger? Nice reaction to the man’s medical bills from a doctor.

I bet this is her:

[Link: www.google.com…]

(scroll down)

522 Locker  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:30:54pm

re: #509 Alouette

Here is the T Shirt

Thank you alouette and that’s a pretty cool shirt. Maybe I’ll buy one.

523 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:30:54pm

re: #503 quickjustice

When was the last time either political party was genuinely “intellectual”?

I give up, when?

524 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:30:59pm

re: #505 iceweasel

Oh, I’d never deny can I can be really annoying, or step over the line— I do both regularly, despite my best efforts.

That definitely isn’t the only reason though. Interestingly, I’ve noticed a correlation between bad news for the republicans and iDub bashing. Things were especially ugly when Palin resigned —some people were especially mean to me for no reason— it’s not as if I had posted anything about it or been mean to Palin.
I also notice a trend of attributing to me opinions I don’t have and things I haven’t said. Even on this thread.

For some people (not all) it’s like they have an idea in their head of what ‘lefties think’ or what ‘lefties are’, and they choose to mistakenly have a fight with that— rather than anything I’ve actually done or said. I’m a stand-in for their idea of a leftie or a Dem— ironic, given that I’m not a Dem and I have harsh criticisms of Obama.

Some people, sometimes, that is. I’d never deny that I’m capable of dealing out punches as well as taking them—-and often i deal them out to people to don’t actually deserve them. I’m always trying not to do that, but sometimes it’s hard.

Yep, it’s hard.
I get the occasional punch in the head from trying to get along with you, even when I disagree with your position, though as you say it isn’t always easy, nor pretty, but it can be done, imo. Particularly if one is as big a wuss as I am.

525 Gus  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:31:04pm

Video:

[Link: www.ktnv.com…]

Go to 1:52.

She’s also mentioned in the write up.

“I don’t care what they do with this health care bill. It will not pay for abortions. If somebody wants to go outand have wild sex, for the fun of it, then they can pay for the consequences. I’m not going to,” said Pamela Pilger who was at the meeting and opposed the plan.

526 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:31:06pm

re: #432 Charles

At a town hall sponsored by a conservative radio host in Las Vegas, a woman yells “Heil Hitler” to an Israeli man praising Israel’s national health care system:


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That stupid response by her makes her head look fat.

Frankly, screaming “Heil, Hitler!” at a Jew strikes me as falling squarely in the category of “fighting words.” He should have decked her on the spot; he probably would have beaten the assault charge.

527 garycooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:31:09pm

Palin’s a gadfly. I don’t understand the new hatred, anymore than I got the initial infatuation, or the Left’s visceral revulsion. She seems like a nice lady, who means well. I disagree with her on some major issues, but I don’t fear Her Kind taking over the country. Politically, Her Kind are a dime-a-dozen.

528 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:31:13pm

re: #517 Killgore Trout

Link? is she Dr Pamela Pilger? Nice reaction to the man’s medical bills from a doctor.

Well, until we know for sure, this is a straw man, isn’t it? If that is certainly the person you suggest, then that’s not a smart thing for a doc to do.

But, until we know… I call bullshit.

529 albusteve  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:31:14pm

re: #516 Locker

I don’t know what your criteria is but I sure feel like some of us lefties are called “elitist”, “college hippies”, etc etc. This always kind of confused me. Flaming someone for being smart. Kookie.

so liberalism has nothing to do with it?

530 DEZes  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:32:05pm

re: #512 buzzsawmonkey

That is what I thought, too. Now, why she is saying “Heil Hitler” to an Israeli while wearing an IDF T-shirt and at the same time telling him he should be against Obama—I’m sorry, but I need a new Symbol Guidebook.

The only thisng that comes to mind, and its a stretch. is she yells it because she thinks skin head.
My best guess is she is off her meds.

531 albusteve  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:32:52pm

I’ll take common sense over intellectualism any day…intellectualism is over rated for accomplishing anythin

532 oh_dude  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:33:01pm

I’ll just quote the bumper sticker of the car in front of me in traffic this morning…

“HEY, NO ONE GIVES A RAT’S ASS WHAT YOU THINK.”

533 Locker  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:33:06pm

re: #529 albusteve

so liberalism has nothing to do with it?

Like I said, it’s confusing. Does Liberalism have something to do with it? I would very much welcome any insight.

534 garycooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:33:07pm

re: #491 Sharmuta

Wouldn’t be the first time a “supporter” of Israel hid behind such a device.

Really? What were the other times?

535 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:33:43pm

re: #524 reine.de.tout

Yep, it’s hard.
I get the occasional punch in the head from trying to get along with you, even when I disagree with your position, though as you say it isn’t always easy, nor pretty, but it can be done, imo. Particularly if one is as big a wuss as I am.

You are not a wuss…You are the best…

536 albusteve  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:33:45pm

re: #533 Locker

Like I said, it’s confusing. Does Liberalism have something to do with it? I would very much welcome any insight.

stick around…the subject come up quite often

537 calcajun  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:33:46pm

re: #470 garycooper

Gahan Wilson is God.

The most warping influence on me.

Harry, you ought to see a doctor…

538 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:33:50pm

New U.S. plan calls for demilitarized Palestine, and Cede Demand for Right of Return.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and U.S. President Barack Obama will discuss on Tuesday a new initiative that would see a demilitarized Palestinian state set within amended 1967 borders and Jerusalem as its shared capital with Israel, according to the London-based Al-Quds al-Arabi.

The initiative, which was reportedly raised by past U.S. president Jimmy Carter, former secretary of state James Baker and former national security adviser Brent Scowcroft, would also have Palestinians concede on their demand for the right of return, in exchange for compensation.

/I’m sorry, have Fatah or Hamas even recognized Israel’s right to exist yet?

539 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:33:53pm

re: #524 reine.de.tout

Yep, it’s hard.
I get the occasional punch in the head from trying to get along with you, even when I disagree with your position, though as you say it isn’t always easy, nor pretty, but it can be done, imo. Particularly if one is as big a wuss as I am.

To tell you the truth- I think befriending iDub has made some people not like me so much anymore, and that’s sad.

540 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:34:31pm

re: #516 Locker

I don’t know what your criteria is but I sure feel like some of us lefties are called “elitist”, “college hippies”, etc etc. This always kind of confused me. Flaming someone for being smart. Kookie.

“elitist” and “college hippie” are not necessarily synonymous with “smart”.

541 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:34:38pm

I’ll go with it’s too soon to tell whether it’s a good idea or not for her to have resigned. If it means she’s able to rally financial resources to her cause and to set up a grassroots, then it’s to her benefit to have resigned.

If that doesn’t materialize, then she loses her ability to influence the GOP as other politicians still in the game can showcase their policy successes from a position as a sitting governor or Senator, rather than a former politician.

Right now, she’s got to get her financial house in order to mount a credible run for 2012 (yeah, it’s early, but this is the kind of thing that gets late early as Yogi might say).

For the GOP, grassroots is going to be key in 2010 and beyond. The problem I fear is that the grassroots might get confused with nutroots - birthers/troofers/paulians, etc, and cause more harm than good.

542 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:34:46pm

re: #516 Locker

That wasn’t my question. I think there are smart people on both sides of the debate, but the “smarts” never seem to rise to the surface. To return to a more civil level of discourse, it’s important to adhere to Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s principle: “You’re entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own facts.”

If you nail down the facts first, the debate suddenly becomes more civil.

543 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:34:51pm

re: #519 albusteve

few Americans vote…if they vetted the candidates and voted accordingly, we might be in this perenial quagmire

That’s true. Many people who jumped on the Hope & Change bandwagon are now surprised that Obama is so far left.
I keep hearing, “I didn’t know…”

544 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:34:57pm

re: #535 HoosierHoops

You are not a wuss…You are the best…

You’re sweet.
But I’m a wuss.

545 iceweasel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:34:58pm

re: #485 Wendya

It’s not misogyny. It’s your positions.

Then it’s a shame some people are so threatened by an opposing position, even a minority one, that they’re reduced to making it personal.

Belligerence is a hallmark of the intellectually insecure.

546 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:34:58pm

re: #539 Sharmuta

To tell you the truth- I think befriending iDub has made some people not like me so much anymore, and that’s sad.

I’m missing something here, what/who is iDub?

547 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:35:00pm

re: #534 garycooper

Really? What were the other times?

Read up on the history of vlaams belang on this blog.

548 debutaunt  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:35:21pm

% of politics staged?
% of politics accidental?

549 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:35:23pm
550 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:35:38pm

re: #516 Locker

I don’t know what your criteria is but I sure feel like some of us lefties are called “elitist”, “college hippies”, etc etc. This always kind of confused me. Flaming someone for being smart. Kookie.

College Degree does not equal intellectual
Elitist does not equal Intellectual

An intellectual is an intelligent person. We are not getting very intelligent personages in DC

551 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:36:09pm

Palin should get off the stage and make room for someone who can win. She no longer can because of her own mistakes. She could have stuck things out and turned unfair criticism to her advantage by just proving them wrong.

Then she quit and is now trying to garner sympathy from people of good will.

That says something positive for those of good will who think she has been treated unfairly. It says something very negative about Palin’s political and leadership skills.

I don’t want the next POTUS to be a big personality - I have that now.

I want competence, vision and execution.

She ain’t that and now that she has quit, she never will be.

C YA

552 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:36:35pm

re: #546 Walter L. Newton

I’m missing something here, what/who is iDub?

IceWeasel.

553 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:36:38pm

re: #530 DEZes

The only thisng that comes to mind, and its a stretch. is she yells it because she thinks skin head.
My best guess is she is off her meds.

That is the only thing that would make any sense.
And then they were yelling at each other so much they couldn’t get over that first mistaken impression of each other.

Or, she’s off her meds.

554 iceweasel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:36:55pm

re: #524 reine.de.tout

Yep, it’s hard.
I get the occasional punch in the head from trying to get along with you, even when I disagree with your position, though as you say it isn’t always easy, nor pretty, but it can be done, imo. Particularly if one is as big a wuss as I am.

Well, I feel like we do it, even when we disagree. Helps when there’s an underlying respect there, IMO, and I have no problem repecting people whose opinions are different than mine, and I believe you do too.

555 albusteve  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:37:02pm

re: #543 opnion

That’s true. Many people who jumped on the Hope & Change bandwagon are now surprised that Obama is so far left.
I keep hearing, “I didn’t know…”

a nation of Duh!

556 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:37:20pm

re: #516 Locker

I don’t know what your criteria is but I sure feel like some of us lefties are called “elitist”, “college hippies”, etc etc. This always kind of confused me. Flaming someone for being smart. Kookie.


Locker, my fellow dog lover, it is incumbent on me to tell you this.
I have never & I mean never heard the Liberal contingent here accused of being intellectuals.

557 Shug  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:37:52pm

re: #432 Charles

At a town hall sponsored by a conservative radio host in Las Vegas, a woman yells “Heil Hitler” to an Israeli man praising Israel’s national health care system:


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What the Hell is wrong with this woman?

558 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:37:55pm
559 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:38:01pm

Sarah Palin is a nice lady and a quality individual who has absolutely no chance of winning a presidential election. And while some on the right feel that the left fears Palin, I think the Dems would LOVE to run against her. They don’t fear her at all … they hate her because they just do.

560 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:38:04pm

re: #530 DEZes

The only thisng that comes to mind, and its a stretch. is she yells it because she thinks skin head.
My best guess is she is off her meds.

Weak, at best, especially after having it pointed out repeatedly by her target that he’s a Jew, delivered loudly, clearly and in an Israeli accent.

She’s a moron who was there looking to pick a fight and get some attention. The last part worked.

561 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:38:12pm

re: #552 Sharmuta

IceWeasel.

I like debating with her. But, disconnect, how does Iceweasel become iDub?

562 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:38:21pm

re: #523 Eowyn2

The last true “intellectual” probably was Adlai Stevenson, an eloquent speaker and Democratic Presidential candidate who ran against Ike and lost.

After another of his eloquent speeches, a young woman came rushing up to Stevenson: “Mr. Stevenson, Mr. Stevenson, every thinking person in America is behind you!” Replied Stevenson, “Unfortunately, Madam I need a majority to win!”

563 albusteve  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:38:28pm

re: #545 iceweasel

Then it’s a shame some people are so threatened by an opposing position, even a minority one, that they’re reduced to making it personal.

Belligerence is a hallmark of the intellectually insecure.

so true

564 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:38:51pm

re: #561 Walter L. Newton

I is for Ice. Dub is short for double u.

565 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:39:36pm

re: #317 JarHeadLifer
And yet when they poll their readers,

Poll Results
Thank you for voting.
Who would you rather vote for in 2012?
President Obama 31%
Sarah Palin 64%
Don’t want to vote for either 5%
566 DEZes  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:39:54pm

re: #560 SixDegrees

Weak, at best, especially after having it pointed out repeatedly by her target that he’s a Jew, delivered loudly, clearly and in an Israeli accent.

She’s a moron who was there looking to pick a fight and get some attention. The last part worked.

I said it was a stretch, She is just bat shit crazy IMHO.

567 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:39:55pm

re: #564 Sharmuta

I is for Ice. Dub is short for double u.

I’m still missing the connection. It’s not important. Thanks.

568 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:39:55pm

re: #498 Gus 802

Her name is Pamela Pilger.

re: #558 buzzsawmonkey

Sweetheart,

Misogyny!

569 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:40:46pm

re: #544 reine.de.tout

You’re sweet.
But I’m a wuss.

Crap…I’ll never forget your kindness upon my arrival here a trillion posts ago..
Thanks..

570 JarHeadLifer  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:40:47pm

re: #565 tradewind

And yet when they poll their readers,

You’re not seriously citing a voluntary internet poll, are you? Please.

571 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:41:09pm

re: #555 albusteve

a nation of Duh!

Yeah,it was all out there, his memoirs, his past speeches, his associations. He is behaving the way I would expect him to.

572 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:41:17pm

re: #560 SixDegrees

Weak, at best, especially after having it pointed out repeatedly by her target that he’s a Jew, delivered loudly, clearly and in an Israeli accent.

She’s a moron who was there looking to pick a fight and get some attention. The last part worked.

I don’t get why she was wearing an IDF T-shirt, unless it was to cover up the Odin’s Cross T-shirt she had on underneath.

573 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:41:36pm

re: #566 DEZes

I said it was a stretch, She is just bat shit crazy IMHO.

Bat-shit crazy sounds reasonable.

574 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:41:45pm
575 wahabicorridor  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:42:08pm

re: #549 buzzsawmonkey

Howard Dean spills the beans!

Take the “public option” out of any healthcare bill to placate the rubes, stick it back in during reconciliation.

You didn’t think they were really going to keep it out, did you?

Hi ya buzz!

Hubby and I were talking about this over the weekend. He was relieved that it seemed to be off the table. I told him he was nuts - they’ll still try to get it in there somehow. They are that stupid. He said, “Well good luck - it will NEVER get thru the Senate”.

People are really afraid of Pelosi. But nobody loses sleep over Harry Reid.

576 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:42:15pm

re: #516 Locker

No wonder you were confused…
those were just code words for ’ pinhead’.

577 DEZes  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:42:25pm

re: #572 Alouette

I don’t get why she was wearing an IDF T-shirt, unless it was to cover up the Odin’s Cross T-shirt she had on underneath.

Congrats on the 10 thousand mark.

578 garycooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:42:48pm

re: #537 calcajun

The most warping influence on me.

Harry, you ought to see a doctor…

The second-best reason to read Playboy, back in the day. (sigh)

579 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:43:00pm

re: #311 avanti

Here’s a potential new bill to tax gas guzzlers and give rebates to fuel efficient new cars.

Link.

And how many additional people will die in traffic accidents because they are driving/riding in smaller cars?

580 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:43:29pm
581 iceweasel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:43:31pm

re: #558 buzzsawmonkey

Sweetheart, it is you who intentionally personalizes everything you weigh in on. You have done it here by claiming “misogyny,” and by your gratuitous snot-comment above about “intellectual insecurity.”

Nice demonstration there of a lack of intellectual insecurity, a lack of misogyny, and a lack of personal attacks.

Except, you know, not.

582 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:43:48pm

re: #568 Wendya

Misogyny!

Interesting. It was when Obama did it.

583 J.S.  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:43:49pm

re: #567 Walter L. Newton

WHAT?
I is for “ice”…W is for “weasel.” W can also be a “double u” (as it’s pronounced, not written)..hence, iDub…

584 JarHeadLifer  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:43:49pm

re: #574 buzzsawmonkey

Are there involuntary internet polls?

Only if you visit Whitehouse.gov

585 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:43:59pm
586 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:45:12pm

re: #570 JarHeadLifer

I wouldn’t use it as evidence, no. Just more examples of how irrelevant a poll of political preference is when there is no relevance… i.e., the election’s not happening.

587 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:45:17pm

re: #583 J.S.

WHAT?
I is for “ice”…W is for “weasel.” W can also be a “double u” (as it’s pronounced, not written)..hence, iDub…

Got it. I’m glad that question didn’t come up on the test. Whew.

588 albusteve  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:45:23pm

re: #581 iceweasel

Nice demonstration there of a lack of intellectual insecurity, a lack of misogyny, and a lack of personal attacks.

Except, you know, not.

yesterday Buzz criticized your link and for that you called him a shit slinging monkey…that stuff does not go unnoticed

589 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:45:47pm

re: #498 Gus 802

/Any relation to John Pilger?

590 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:45:49pm

Pythagoras up close and personal

Youtube Video
591 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:45:56pm

re: #581 iceweasel

Nice demonstration there of a lack of intellectual insecurity, a lack of misogyny, and a lack of personal attacks.

Except, you know, not.

Back at ya. You just confirmed Buzz’ post.

592 Gus  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:46:22pm

re: #589 NY Nana

/Any relation to John Pilger?

Don’t know. ;)

593 Bloodnok  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:46:33pm

re: #588 albusteve

yesterday Buzz criticized your link and for that you called him a shit slinging monkey…that stuff does not go unnoticed

It’s a tough room. Or is that only valid when it’s a lefty being name-called?

594 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:46:35pm

re: #574 buzzsawmonkey

I think he must prefer push polls.

595 garycooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:46:37pm

re: #547 Sharmuta

Read up on the history of vlaams belang on this blog.

Oh, that. I see what you mean.

I stayed out of that fray, as far as commenting, but I support Charles wholeheartedly on that front.

596 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:46:59pm

re: #579 Son of the Black Dog

And how many additional people will die in traffic accidents because they are driving/riding in smaller cars?

Jeff Bingaman sponsored that? Now that’s truly hysterical considering 75% of the roads in his state are unpaved, many requiring 4WD year round.

597 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:47:57pm

bbl. Gotta fix something to eat.

598 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:48:15pm

re: #575 wahabicorridor

Let’s just hope this scenario of Dr Dean’s works out as well as others he has predicted.

599 iceweasel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:48:29pm

re: #591 midwestgak

Back at ya. You just confirmed Buzz’ post.

I’d guess that 1) the fact that people were already criticising me before I showed up, for things I hadn’t done, and 2) that some people are, yet again, feeling to need to pile on, kind of proves my point— and the point made by several others as well.
It’s a little odd that some people are so deeply threatened by another’s person viewpoint.

But it’d be a boring world if we all agreed, wouldn’t it? :)

600 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:48:39pm

re: #582 Sharmuta

Interesting. It was when Obama did it.

Did I miss a lipstick/pig comment reference somewhere here regarding IceWeasel?

601 garycooper  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:48:49pm

re: #585 buzzsawmonkey

Bless your heart.

Hey, I know what that means!

602 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:49:13pm

re: #599 iceweasel

I’d guess that 1) the fact that people were already criticising me before I showed up, for things I hadn’t done, and 2) that some people are, yet again, feeling to need to pile on, kind of proves my point— and the point made by several others as well.
It’s a little odd that some people are so deeply threatened by another’s person viewpoint.

But it’d be a boring world if we all agreed, wouldn’t it? :)

It would be “Obama’s World (tm)”

603 fizzlogic  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:49:29pm

re: #432 Charles

I missed this…

If you recall, Rush Limbaugh defined national healthcare as nazi healthcare. The women is only acting out what conservative pundits are telling her. Nevermind that all of the United States allies, that happen to help us fight for freedom, have nazi healthcare as defined by Rush.

604 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:49:56pm

re: #600 Wendya

No. When Obama called a woman “Sweetie” in a condescending manner, people at this blog thought it was misogynistic.

605 iceweasel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:50:07pm

re: #602 Walter L. Newton

It would be “Obama’s World (tm)”

Upding for being funny!

606 albusteve  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:50:36pm

re: #593 Bloodnok

It’s a tough room. Or is that only valid when it’s a lefty being name-called?

it’s whatever people make it for themselves

607 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:51:00pm

re: #603 trendsurfer

Nevermind that all of the United States allies, that happen to help us fight for freedom, have nazi healthcare as defined by Rush.


And how many of them come here when they need the absolute best treatment available?

608 iceweasel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:51:12pm

re: #604 Sharmuta

No. When Obama called a woman “Sweetie” in a condescending manner, people at this blog thought it was misogynistic.

Well you know how it is. It’s always different when ‘our side’ does it. Look at all these people justifying the use of tactics they found reprehensible on the left— or would have.

609 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:51:19pm

Hmm. A Palin thread. Did someone mention my name? (Thought I might have heard something.)

All I have to say about this is that Palin’s batteries seem to be winding down.

Let’s see, how to offend the maximum number of people…

Well, I said it yesterday already, but here goes.

She should maybe get that jumped-up little Wasilla preacherman from the YouTube vids to invoke another Wuurd of Pahwuur on her head, or at least ask Gawd to recharge the first one.

I’m sure Gawd will oblige, if it’s for Sarah.

610 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:51:22pm

re: #231 doubter4444

Well, at least you got your nic right.

611 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:52:01pm

re: #593 Bloodnok

It’s a tough room. Or is that only valid when it’s a lefty being name-called?

There is one guy I call a “Bastard” every time I reply to him.

612 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:52:41pm

re: #574 buzzsawmonkey

Are there involuntary internet polls?

Are there involuntary polls of any sort?
If I get a call, or someone at the door, I have to voluntarily agree to answer the questions. They can’t force me.

613 Pianobuff  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:53:07pm

re: #609 Cato the Elder

See #3. You’re making me look bad…What gives? Funny thing happen on the way to the forum?

614 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:53:10pm

See… if you don’t want someone absent to come and put their 2 cents in, don’t talk about them.

Some people are like Beetlegeuse or Lord Voldemort.

615 Bloodnok  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:53:17pm

re: #611 Sharmuta

There is one guy I call a “Bastard” every time I reply to him.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian? Come on, it’s his name. No shame in that.

616 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:53:25pm

re: #609 Cato the Elder

Hmm. A Palin thread. Did someone mention my name? (Thought I might have heard something.)

All I have to say about this is that Palin’s batteries seem to be winding down.

Let’s see, how to offend the maximum number of people…

Well, I said it yesterday already, but here goes.

She should maybe get that jumped-up little Wasilla preacherman from the YouTube vids to invoke another Wuurd of Pahwuur on her head, or at least ask Gawd to recharge the first one.

I’m sure Gawd will oblige, if it’s for Sarah.

Oh, golly. It was so nice and quiet. I was wondering, though, where you were.

617 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:53:55pm

re: #603 trendsurfer

I missed this…

If you recall, Rush Limbaugh defined national healthcare as nazi healthcare. The women is only acting out what conservative pundits are telling her. Nevermind that all of the United States allies, that happen to help us fight for freedom, have nazi healthcare as defined by Rush.

Really. First off, I don’t like what she was saying.

But, you don’t know what she is acting out since you know nothing about her. So, until that time, I would not try to paint this person as this way or that way.

You may find you are putting you foot in your mouth.

618 JarHeadLifer  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:54:00pm

re: #586 tradewind

I wouldn’t use it as evidence, no. Just more examples of how irrelevant a poll of political preference is when there is no relevance… i.e., the election’s not happening.

I’ll concede this much, head-to-head match-ups this far removed from an election are next to worthless. What is not worthless - however - is polling that reflects an individual’s “negatives”. While it’s possible, even likely, to move a voter from undecided position to a positive supporting position, it’s much more difficult to mitigate the effects of a candidate’s individual “high negatives”. In short, it’s tough to change the mind of people who “hate” you.

One needs look no further than Hilary Clinton to prove the rule. She had extraordinarily high negatives going into the Dem primaries last year. Dem voters were looking for someone else to vote for because they just didn’t like Hilary - and, conveniently, along comes Obama. And, we now know how that turned out.

Palin suffers from negatives even higher than H. Clinton. While I’m not yet sure if that would be fatal to her in the GOP primary, it would certainly be an obstacle of enormous proportion in the general election. Even if things are horrible in the country in 2012, she’s the one GOP candidate that I can foresee losing to Obama, irrespective of what his personal job-approval numbers may or may not be at the time.

619 debutaunt  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:54:15pm

re: #615 Bloodnok

Fat Bastard Vegetarian? Come on, it’s his name. No shame in that.

Oooops, thought she meant someone else.

620 iceweasel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:54:29pm

re: #614 ArchangelMichael

See… if you don’t want someone absent to come and put their 2 cents in, don’t talk about them.

Some people are like Beetlegeuse or Lord Voldemort.

Kind of proves the point that what they really want is to drive those people off, doesn’t it?

Or they’re in love. :)

621 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:54:34pm

re: #604 Sharmuta

No. When Obama called a woman “Sweetie” in a condescending manner, people at this blog thought it was misogynistic.

I happen to believe there’s more to misogyny than calling someone sweetie. He has enough women in his administration to belie the idea that he believes women are inferior.

622 fizzlogic  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:54:49pm

re: #607 Wendya

I’m sure the rich can choose where ever they want to go for their healthcare.

623 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:55:28pm

Oh boy, not only did the Vikings just sign a 40 year old QB, they just signed a 40 year old QB with a torn rotator cuff.

/Childress has lost his mind

624 Flyers1974  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:56:11pm

re: #136 quickjustice

The Left is obsessed with Palin. She’s an obscure former Alaska governor whom John McCain picked as a running mate to try to salvage his flat-lining campaign. And with the stumbling, bumbling McCain at the top of the ticket, she lost. So why is she mentioned in virtually every political thread on LGF BY THE LEFTIES, who then proceed to disparage her?

If she weren’t perceived as a genuine political threat, no one would bother. In the 1850s, Abraham Lincoln was a failed, anti-war U.S. Congressman in private law practice. Ronald Reagan was a Democrat and a B-movie actor. Bush the Elder was an obscure former Texas congressman, and mediocre oil production investor.

Without being a cheerleader for Palin, this is a single poll at a moment in time. Her future, political or otherwise, is entirely up to her. My prediction: she’ll get out and make some money to pay all those legal bills. She’ll draw large crowds of adoring fans to GOP fundraisers in the South and the West. And she’ll bide her time, and wait for her opportunity.

Sorry if this was already discussed - I can’t speak of how Lincoln was elected, but I don’t see how the Bush I and Reagan situations shed light on Palin’s future. Reagan might have been a Democrat and B-list actor, but after that he was elected governeror of California as a Republican, and was well known within the party and had tremendous political talent. Palin has no such talent. Bush was picked by Reagan and his advisors because he was obscure and had a reputation as being loyal (Bush wouldn’t overshadow Reagan; the “true Reaganites” wanted Paul Laxalt as VP.) When Bush ran for POTUS, he didn’t appear to anyone, even the Democrats, as the star of a reality tv show, plus he faced the worst candidate in the world, Michael Dukakis.

625 3 wood  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:56:14pm

Here’s some positive economic news for a change.
U.S. Economy: Single-Family Home Starts Rose in July


Aug. 18 (Bloomberg) — American builders broke ground on more single-family homes in July for a fifth straight month as the real-estate industry stabilized further.

Work began on single-family dwellings at a 490,000 annual pace last month, up 1.7 percent from June and the most since October, the Commerce Department reported today in Washington. Total housing starts unexpectedly fell, depressed by a 13 percent decrease in multifamily units, including condominiums and apartment buildings.

Falling home values and government stimulus efforts such as the tax credit for first-time buyers are boosting sales and stemming the housing meltdown that triggered the financial crisis. Another report showed wholesale prices dropped more than forecast, giving the Federal Reserve more time to foster and sustain a recovery before concern over inflation surfaces.

626 albusteve  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:56:24pm

re: #623 Killian Bundy

Oh boy, not only did the Vikings just sign a 40 year old QB, they just signed a 40 year old QB with a torn rotator cuff.

/Childress has lost his mind

he’ll have a lot less zip on those INTs he throws

627 yochanan  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:56:31pm

re: #608 iceweasel

yes sweetie

/// just kidding

628 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:56:36pm
629 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:56:36pm

re: #615 Bloodnok

Fat Bastard Vegetarian? Come on, it’s his name. No shame in that.

That was the joke.

630 Shug  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:56:43pm

re: #623 Killian Bundy

Oh boy, not only did the Vikings just sign a 40 year old QB, they just signed a 40 year old QB with a torn rotator cuff.

/Childress has lost his mind


Vikings-Packers game tickets just got really really expensive

631 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:57:52pm

re: #620 iceweasel

Kind of proves the point that what they really want is to drive those people off, doesn’t it?

Or they’re in love. :)

You know, despite your politics, I do like you. I think you’re intelligent and have a good sense of humor. You’re smart enough not to insult us by defending your point with the talking point of the day. The only thing about you that really grates on my nerves is the whining.

632 Wendya  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:58:18pm

re: #622 trendsurfer

I’m sure the rich can choose where ever they want to go for their healthcare.

And they typically don’t head out in droves for Great Britain.

633 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:58:29pm

re: #164 opnion

The truth is, he loves her so. This thread would unspool his engine.

634 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:59:34pm

re: #622 trendsurfer

I’m sure the rich can choose where ever they want to go for their healthcare.

So?

635 Pianobuff  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 3:59:48pm

re: #625 3 wood

Here’s some positive economic news for a change.
U.S. Economy: Single-Family Home Starts Rose in July

My better half is in the development biz. Shop talk there is that there will be a W-shaped recovery and we’re on the first ascent.

636 fizzlogic  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:00:10pm

re: #617 Walter L. Newton

You’re right, I’m only guessing that she’s acting out what conservative pundits like Rush Limbaugh have told their listeners.

637 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:00:15pm

re: #603 trendsurfer

I missed this…

If you recall, Rush Limbaugh defined national healthcare as nazi healthcare. The women is only acting out what conservative pundits are telling her. Nevermind that all of the United States allies, that happen to help us fight for freedom, have nazi healthcare as defined by Rush.

Another time where Rush is stepping on his own crank.

I’m pretty sure if you weren’t Aryanisch genug für der Vaterland, that universal health care Germany had since the pre-Nazi era sorta disappeared for you. Calling it Nazi healthcare is asinine.

638 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:01:41pm

re: #636 trendsurfer

You’re right, I’m only guessing that she’s acting out what conservative pundits like Rush Limbaugh have told their listeners.

I know what Rush has told listeners. But, this person is a real person, this is a real incident, and you know jack crack about her. You are extrapolating something on her that you have no basis of fact for, at this time.

Lacks critical thinking skills.

639 3 wood  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:01:47pm

re: #623 Killian Bundy

Oh boy, not only did the Vikings just sign a 40 year old QB, they just signed a 40 year old QB with a torn rotator cuff.

Cornerbacks all over the league are drooling.

640 iceweasel  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:02:40pm

re: #631 Wendya

You know, despite your politics, I do like you. I think you’re intelligent and have a good sense of humor. You’re smart enough not to insult us by defending your point with the talking point of the day. The only thing about you that really grates on my nerves is the whining.

Whining? That’s a laugh.
Like the song says, if you don’t like my lyrics you can press fast forward.

[Link: www.dailymotion.com…]

641 3 wood  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:03:16pm

re: #635 Pianobuff

My better half is in the development biz. Shop talk there is that there will be a W-shaped recovery and we’re on the first ascent.

I would not be abit surprised, but all the depends on events outside our control.

642 ladycatnip  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:03:29pm

Mark Steyn on Palin.

Not everybody’s writing her off.

643 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:04:28pm

re: #623 Killian Bundy

Oh boy, not only did the Vikings just sign a 40 year old QB, they just signed a 40 year old QB with a torn rotator cuff.

/Childress has lost his mind

and one nasty ass looking golf cap … it looks like a cow took a shit on that thing

644 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:04:34pm

re: #639 3 wood

Cornerbacks all over the league are drooling.

No [expletive deleted].

/obviously, his physical was a joke, Ziggy is seeing $$$ signs

645 3 wood  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:05:42pm

Ford to Boost Sales Outlook, Sees Recession Ending

Aug. 18 (Bloomberg) — Ford Motor Co., benefiting from the so-called cash-for-clunkers government incentives, is increasing its outlook for industrywide U.S. auto sales this year as the carmaker sees signs that the recession is ending.

The forecast will rise from the company’s current 10.5 million to 11 million vehicles, which includes about 200,000 medium and heavy-duty trucks, Ellen Hughes-Cromwick, Ford’s chief economist, said in an interview today. The Dearborn, Michigan-based company is waiting for final results from the federal program before giving its revised figure, she said.

“We’re seeing a recovery, sales should be picking up, we’ll see some modest tailwinds as we get through this second part of the year,” Hughes-Cromwick said. “We’ve hit the bottom and the economy has stabilized and poised for some modest improvement.”

646 3 wood  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:07:14pm

re: #644 Killian Bundy

obviously, his physical was a joke, Ziggy is seeing $$$ signs

It’s all about selling tickets.

I’ve benn talking about Favre’s arm losing steam for 3 or 4 years here.

For the first time in my life I can say with out any question that the Bears have a better QB than the Vikings.

647 marsl  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:09:14pm

Where is the Ron Paul option?

648 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:09:26pm

re: #598 tradewind

Let’s just hope this scenario of Dr Dean’s works out as well as others he has predicted.

I heard that asshole on some NPR show today. He said, “We have to do something about health care costs; they’ve risen at nearly twice the rate of inflation for years, while Medicare costs have only risen 2 points above the inflation rate!” Note the weaseley use of different metrics here; in real life, the inflation rate has been around 3% for many years, so a 2 point increase - to 5% - works out to be “almost double” the inflation rate, too - just like ordinary health care costs. But he cast the statement to make it sound as if there’s some enormous difference between private and government run systems, with Medicare coming out way ahead.

Lying fucker.

649 Flyers1974  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:12:41pm

re: #618 JarHeadLifer

I’ll concede this much, head-to-head match-ups this far removed from an election are next to worthless. What is not worthless - however - is polling that reflects an individual’s “negatives”. While it’s possible, even likely, to move a voter from undecided position to a positive supporting position, it’s much more difficult to mitigate the effects of a candidate’s individual “high negatives”. In short, it’s tough to change the mind of people who “hate” you.

One needs look no further than Hilary Clinton to prove the rule. She had extraordinarily high negatives going into the Dem primaries last year. Dem voters were looking for someone else to vote for because they just didn’t like Hilary - and, conveniently, along comes Obama. And, we now know how that turned out.

Palin suffers from negatives even higher than H. Clinton. While I’m not yet sure if that would be fatal to her in the GOP primary, it would certainly be an obstacle of enormous proportion in the general election. Even if things are horrible in the country in 2012, she’s the one GOP candidate that I can foresee losing to Obama, irrespective of what his personal job-approval numbers may or may not be at the time.

I heard some talking-head type state that if Obama’s approval rating is in the mid-40’s in 2012, Palin is the only candidate (among reasonable possibilities, i.e., Romney) he could still beat. Sounds about right to me.

650 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:14:05pm

re: #646 3 wood

I’ve benn talking about Favre’s arm losing steam for 3 or 4 years here.

/if he starts losing games, the fans are going to quickly turn on him and it’s going to get real ugly

651 tradewind  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:15:35pm

re: #635 Pianobuff

That’s not so great… why do we want a rise in housing starts when builders are sitting on unsold inventory all over the country?
Let them show a rise in new home purchases, first.

652 Flyers1974  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:16:30pm

re: #646 3 wood

It’s all about selling tickets.

I’ve benn talking about Favre’s arm losing steam for 3 or 4 years here.

For the first time in my life I can say with out any question that the Bears have a better QB than the Vikings.

This might be going back too far, but what about 1985 Jim McMahon?

653 opnion  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:18:16pm

re: #633 tradewind

The truth is, he loves her so. This thread would unspool his engine.

Yeah, that osession must be love LUV.

654 Pianobuff  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:18:29pm

re: #651 tradewind

That’s not so great… why do we want a rise in housing starts when builders are sitting on unsold inventory all over the country?
Let them show a rise in new home purchases, first.

I’m no real estate expert, but as it’s been explained to me, the 8K rebates are driving a temporary surge. They run out in November. Then it’s back down. The experts that my spouse talks to believe the real bottom doesn’t hit until August, 2010. Recovery after then becomes very much tied to employment IIRC.

But, like 3Wood said, this also depends on certain events out of anyone’s control.

655 Bob Dillon  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:19:27pm

Poll: Was Palin’s Resignation a Smart Move?

Too early to tell. Let’s run this buy again in a year or so.

656 Right mind left  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:20:46pm

I think Palin’s decision is really much too new to rate.

She is a powerful voice when we need a “barracuda” to go after this administration and the insanity of the bills they are trying to push down our throats. I am very happy she has left the governorship based on the baseless litigation being dumped on her and now that she is free of that it will be interesting to see what she does.

I applaud her courage and think she has a lot of valid arguments that the American people should appreciate she is making, regardless of the future. She, to me, seems to be straight and sharp, even if she is not polished and has her own set of views.

I’m on the sidelines, thrilled she is making waves.

657 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:29:27pm

re: #550 Eowyn2

College Degree does not equal intellectual
Elitist does not equal Intellectual

An intellectual is an intelligent person. We are not getting very intelligent personages in DC

Charles Krauthammer is an intellectual.
Barack Obama is a poseur.

658 calcajun  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:33:17pm

re: #657 Son of the Black Dog

Charles Krauthammer is an intellectual.
Barack Obama is a poseur Chance the Gardener.

659 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:36:11pm

re: #656 Right mind left

1,000 updings.

660 Bob Dillon  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 4:40:35pm

re: #658 calcajun

Barack Obama is Chance the Gardener.

“Yes”

661 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 5:07:53pm

If Barack Obama is Chance the Gardener, Sarah Palin is…his hoe.

*bada-bum*

662 tyro1  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 5:24:04pm

re: #15 filetandrelease

Ooooh!! Wish I could click “+” all day!!

663 Erik The Red  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 5:28:11pm

re: #661 Cato the Elder

If Barack Obama is Chance the Gardener, Sarah Palin is…his hoe.

*bada-bum*


We have been waiting with baited breath for you to show up. :) And that is the best you can do.

664 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 5:52:06pm

It was a terrible move.

665 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 6:16:48pm

Sorry: stringy-haired hoe.

666 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 6:22:10pm

Ok Everyone -

The Doc is in the House.

1. I believe that her Resignation WAS a Mistake, at least in the “classic” sense of politics.

2. She HAS ‘pwned’ the Obama Administration on the issue of “Health Care,” “Health Insurance,” or WHATEVER they call it today OR tomorrow, or next week from a “little old” Facebook entry - complete with - HORRORS! - footnotes - quite “Scholarly” for a Woman who is supposed to be a CRETIN!

3. Face the facts - in 2008, the former Governor of Alaska would have ‘pwned’ President Obama - as she DID - Vice President Biden - all of the Press notwithstanding, they did the same thing to Bush 43 when Al Gore was “ventilating” - Just Like Carter v. Reagan in 1980 - Disclaimer - I voted for Gore-Lieberman in 2000 - and - my eyes didn’t lie to me - GWB more than held his own in that debate. I thought that Gore was more realistic on tax reductions - AND - “Nation Building” than GWB was - effectively - as Pres. Kennedy did against later Pres. Nixon - former Vice President Gore ran to the “right” of GWB On Foreign Policy - a fact many would like to FORGET! - especially former VP Gore.

4. Would I have the power from MY Facebook Account to affect Public Policy that former Gov. Palin has. SHE, may or may NOT be the best vessel that the “Loyal Opposition” has - AND - She is Good. Arguing with HER is like arguing with your mother.

That is all.

-S-

667 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 6:27:28pm

If she were my mother I’d change my name in chagrin.

668 mfarmer1  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 6:37:11pm

I simply don’t understand the obsession with her from any political persuasion, period. She’s more famous/infamous than actual VP’s ever have been.

I mean, can you even picture People Magazine or one of those other tabloids doing marital stories on and on about Charles Fairbanks, James Sherman, Thomas Marshall, Charles Dawes, Charles Curtis, John Garner, Henry Wallace, Alben Barkley, Hubert Humphrey, Spiro Agnew, Nelson Rockefeller, Walter Mondale, Dan Quayle, Al Gore, Dick Cheney, or Joe Biden?

That’s the list from the last 100 years. My hunch is that even political junkies in here haven’t heard of half of those names.

Ewww…Spiro Agnew in a love triangle or having a bad fashion week. Yuck.

669 Flyers1974  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 6:50:53pm

re: #668 mfarmer1

I simply don’t understand the obsession with her from any political persuasion, period. She’s more famous/infamous than actual VP’s ever have been.
I mean, can you even picture People Magazine or one of those other tabloids doing marital stories on and on about Charles Fairbanks, James Sherman, Thomas Marshall, Charles Dawes, Charles Curtis, John Garner, Henry Wallace, Alben Barkley, Hubert Humphrey, Spiro Agnew, Nelson Rockefeller, Walter Mondale, Dan Quayle, Al Gore, Dick Cheney, or Joe Biden?

That’s the list from the last 100 years. My hunch is that even political junkies in here haven’t heard of half of those names.

Ewww…Spiro Agnew in a love triangle or having a bad fashion week. Yuck.

Conservatives annointed her Ronald Reagan’s heir prematurely. They became so wedded to her that her liberal attackers were said to be doing so out of fear. The cons and libs feed off one another. Add to that her attractiveness (and remember how much of JFK’s image was due to looks and youthful appearence) and anecdotes and phrases such as “hockey mom” moose-stew making, etc…, and you have the making of an obsession.

670 Ramona  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 7:51:53pm

re: #166 Sharmuta

Can we assume the book was written by a man? I’ve just about bitten through my tongue reading through this thread. Misanthropy is just as rampant as misogyny. I never even considered being a Hillary supporter either.

671 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 8:01:18pm

re: #670 Ramona

And I speak out against misandry as strongly as I speak out against misogyny, but it is NOT as rampant as misogyny.

And no- the book I recommended was written by a woman, and she was asked not to do it before she was begged to do it. Perhaps you will look into the book and learn why it is that misogyny is more rampant, but I’ll give you a hint: men don’t hate men like women hate women.

672 Ramona  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 8:04:18pm

re: #562 quickjustice

Adlai Stevenson, an eloquent speaker and Democratic Presidential candidate who ran against Ike and lost.


Stevenson lost many, many times; against many, many people. Shame about needing that majority.

673 funky chicken  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 8:34:54pm

re: #65 karmic_inquisitor

Just remember - criticism of a SoCon is a violation of the 11th commndment whereas chasing out RINOs is a duty.

Competence is not something SoCons care about - it is about passing litmus tests that measure the passion with which one supports the SoCon agenda. McCain (who has always been pro-life) got the stay home treatment because his passion was in questions.

This is what happens when a political party is handed over to zealots.

that disco institute goob Klinghoffer wrote a piece for NRO saying almost precisely that last fall

674 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 8:44:32pm

The thread is dead, but here’s my opinion anyway…

Her resignation was a bad political move.

45% of Americans still have a favorable opinion of her overall. Roughly equal to Obama’s current favorability.

The left, democrats, the mainstream media, and even LGF remain obsessed with her.

The left, democrats, and the mainstream media are pushing the “She’s a quitter” talking point despite the fact that the right, republicans, and independents don’t require any help deciding whether or not that is a concern in supporting her.

Her comments on ObamaCare, while inflammatory, did impact public opinion and policy.

CNN is still polling people, a month afterward, about the impact of the resignation of the Governer of Alaska. With current speed of news cycles, a month is ancient history.

In conclusion, Sarah Palin obviously still has influence in the political realm. And there is a good possibility that she will continue to be an important player in the future.

675 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 9:05:49pm

re: #24 Honorary Yooper

Still makes no difference. Born in Hawai’i as a state or a territory, it was still US soil regardless. They tried this shit to Goldwater when he ran, claiming that Arizona’s status as a territory (when he was born) would make him ineligible to run.

Not to mention the fact that that is PURE desperation.

676 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 9:14:23pm

The DNC is hoping and praying that Sarah will stick around and be a player in 2012. She is Obama’s dream opponent. Not that she has a snowball’s chance of being president, but her fanatical followers won’t care - they’ll dance down the road to dusty doom behind Sarahcuda Moosebane, hockey mom and eejit, waving their banners and chanting “drill, baby, drill”.

And, having given up on the GOP for the next 12 years or so, I will at least be grateful for the entertainment.

In fact, I think I’ll send her some money. Cheaper than tickets to go watch the local ball team fail.

677 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 10:27:49pm

re: #674 NukeAtomrod

re: #676 Cato the Elder

Palin is qualitatively different from other candidates & cannot be understood by applying the current cheap political calculus of this country at this time.

I hope she is still young enough and able to serve after the current madness has run its course, for we will need her or someone like her if we are to get back on track.

Meanwhile the country wallows in self indulgence, pandering, resentments and division, greatly directed down this ill road even by the fool currently in the White House.

I have spoken.

678 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 10:36:01pm

re: #666 Dr. Shalit

Dr. Shalit

Palin is on the side of life. Carries Trig to term.

Obama says “punished with a baby.”

The contrast cannot be more clear.

I know in my heart which of the two would be better for the country.

We have made a terrible mistake in 2008, I hope the Creator can cut us some slack.

— Ojoe

679 idioma  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:27:03am

re: #678 Ojoe

Dr. Shalit

Palin is on the side of life. Carries Trig to term.

Obama says “punished with a baby.”

The contrast cannot be more clear.

Reproductive decisions are an insufficient qualification for leading a modern nuclear-armed nation. She can’t even answer tough questions like: “what newspapers and magazines do you read?”

I know in my heart which of the two would be better for the country.

We have made a terrible mistake in 2008, I hope the Creator can cut us some slack.

— Ojoe

Did god vote in 2008? I can’t remember. We are not a theocrazy™. You let your leaders off the hook with excuses concerning “the will of god” and you’re inviting never-ending misery for the rest of us.

“I hope the Creator can cut us some slack.”

Seriously? The Creator of the entire universe, concerned with something as petty as a four year term; What kind of creator is that?

680 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:18:57am

re: #676 Cato the Elder

The DNC is hoping and praying that Sarah will stick around and be a player in 2012. She is Obama’s dream opponent. Not that she has a snowball’s chance of being president, but her fanatical followers won’t care - they’ll dance down the road to dusty doom behind Sarahcuda Moosebane, hockey mom and eejit, waving their banners and chanting “drill, baby, drill”.

And, having given up on the GOP for the next 12 years or so, I will at least be grateful for the entertainment.

In fact, I think I’ll send her some money. Cheaper than tickets to go watch the local ball team fail.

If this were true, they wouldn’t take every opportunity to beat on her. They would treat her with some deference and respect like they did with McCain. No, the DNC is worried about her, if for no other reason, she has popular appeal and she seems to understand the average joe’s concerns on topics such as health care better than Obama.

And if you want to talk about fanatical, cult-like followers, you should reflect on the Obamaniacs that helped elect the Chosen One foretold of in the ancient scrolls of Incomus Redistributia.

681 Land Shark  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:14:18am

I’m one who thinks it was a bad move. It makes her look like she might be a quitter or has something to hide. I understand she and her family took a lot of hits from the media that were nothing more than cheap shots, but that’s the way it is and if she plans to try for a higher national office it only gets worse.

Mind you, I like Sarah Palin but I’m doubting the wisdom of her resignation too.

682 RexMundi  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:02:18am

re: #678 Ojoe

Dr. Shalit

Palin is on the side of life. Carries Trig to term.

Obama says “punished with a baby.”

The contrast cannot be more clear.

I know in my heart which of the two would be better for the country.

We have made a terrible mistake in 2008, I hope the Creator can cut us some slack.

— Ojoe

I think that’s a low blow. Obama misspoke. For the same reason I don’t think people should go around bagging on Bush for a lot of his verbal blunders, or Al Gore for his “created the internet” blurb, so I don’t think you should bag on Obama for the “punished with a baby” quote.

683 RexMundi  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:04:22am

re: #679 idioma

Did god vote in 2008? I can’t remember. We are not a theocrazy™. You let your leaders off the hook with excuses concerning “the will of god” and you’re inviting never-ending misery for the rest of us.

“I hope the Creator can cut us some slack.”

Seriously? The Creator of the entire universe, concerned with something as petty as a four year term; What kind of creator is that?

I regret that I have but one upding to give to your post.

684 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:31:26am

re: #681 Land Shark

I’m one who thinks it was a bad move. It makes her look like she might be a quitter or has something to hide. I understand she and her family took a lot of hits from the media that were nothing more than cheap shots, but that’s the way it is and if she plans to try for a higher national office it only gets worse.

Mind you, I like Sarah Palin but I’m doubting the wisdom of her resignation too.

You’re right. Resigning did do some harm to her political resume. Remaining Governor, when the opposition party was determined to continually trump up disingenuous ethics complaints against her, would also have taken a pollitical toll. She weighed her options and decided the resignation would do less harm. The wisdom of that decision remains to be seen.

And forgive me if I don’t trust the opinions of democrats, liberals and progressives on her future electability. I have this sneaking suspicion that they might be pushing an agenda when they offer an unending stream of unprompted advice.

685 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:39:31am

re: #677 Ojoe

re: #676 Cato the Elder

Palin is qualitatively different from other candidates & cannot be understood by applying the current cheap political calculus of this country at this time.

I would ask you to ‘splain that qualitative difference, but I’m too busy throwing up after laughing myself sick.

686 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:44:07am

re: #680 NukeAtomrod

If this were true, they wouldn’t take every opportunity to beat on her. They would treat her with some deference and respect like they did with McCain.

Beating on her is a strategy. They’re hoping enough dupes will feel sorry for her to give her the nod in 2012.

And did you see the things they said about McCain? Deference and respect? You must be from Bizarro World.

687 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:52:12am

re: #681 Land Shark

It makes her look like she might be a quitter or has something to hide.

She “might be” a quitter the way Willie Nelson might be a stoner.

688 Picayune  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:52:47am

re: #684 NukeAtomrod

“And forgive me if I don’t trust the opinions of democrats, liberals and progressives on her future electability. I have this sneaking suspicion that they might be pushing an agenda when they offer an unending stream of unprompted advice.”

Bingo!

And don’t trust the “opinions” of CNN when it drags out a poll that: “The Marist poll was conducted August 3-6,”, well before her recent popularity with “We the People” on her health care opinion.

Think before you hit this CNN bait.

Run this poll again now, after Palin has gained “top of mind” awareness this past week, after a single entry on her Facebook page. The truth of her score on Obama and the DEMS is the hilarious hypocrisy of the Senate Finance Committee responding this past week to Palin by taking out the “end of life counseling” (death panels) provisions that all claimed were not in the bill, from the proposed bill. Theater of the absurd. Again, score still: Palin 1, Obama 0.

Today, Quinnipiac released its poll on Obama Care that revels that 59% are opposed. I believe that Palin had something to do with the direction of this and other current polls.

And that, my friends, is why CNN has to drag out an older poll yesterday to attempt to further diminish Palin, when that Health Care horse of hers is already out the barn, and across two counties.

Obama is now retreating from his “public option”, with the wild left going, well, wild. They are demanding their Full Monty of Hope and Change, now, not down the road, as Obama is implying, and Palin has had something to do with this turn of events - like her, or not.

Can’t wait for Palin’s next move. Will she dare the DEMs, in the their fits of frustration, to play the “nuclear card” and force the deal without the Repubs - and split the DEM party, loosing the Blue Dogs DEMs but good, until after 11/2/09. That would handcuff Obama.

Could she be that savvy? I bet CNN does not think so! We’ll see.

689 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:39:04am

re: #685 Cato the Elder

Palin is not running after power in the way that most politicians run after it.
She is very different & just the fact that she quit the governorship shows that.

I note that common, easily explainable politicians have guided the country to its present condition.

690 Land Shark  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:19:56pm

re: #684 NukeAtomrod

“And forgive me if I don’t trust the opinions of democrats, liberals and progressives on her future electability.”

And I would add I’m starting to distrust the opinions of many “moderates” and “independents” as well. I don’t mean people like Charles, who I believe has been pretty even handed in pointing out extremism on both sides, but many moderates / independents I see seem fixated of right wing extremism as opposed to left wing extremism.

And I would argue that the Democrat party is right now far more extremist than the GOP is. It seems every position the Democratic party holds these days is extremist. Health care. Abortion. Climate change. Spending. You name it.

691 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:29:19pm

re: #686 Cato the Elder

re: #680 NukeAtomrod

And did you see the things they said about McCain? Deference and respect? You must be from Bizarro World.

You must have a very short and selective memory.

Beating on her is a strategy. They’re hoping enough dupes will feel sorry for her to give her the nod in 2012.

You’re one to talk about Bizarro World. Even if this really was the strategy, it’s the most ineffective and colossally stupid one possible. If they did actually make the GOP feel sorry for Palin, she would lose support, not gain it. Republicans respect strong leadership. The constant attacks from the left have been testing Palin’s mettle and, so far, she has not been found wanting. Except, arguably, that she resigned her post as Governor… Which is why, in my opinion, the Democrats have made it a talking point. It’s the only possible sign of weakness she has shown. But, unfortunately for the Dems, a strong case has been made that she had good cause for the resignation and it may ultimately become a strength.

No, this isn’t a plan to make us feel sorry for Palin. The left is filled with rabid hate for her and can’t help themselves. Oddly enough when this mood takes over the left, we see their true faces. Palin has been the target of some of the most sexist rhetoric imaginable. Just like Clarence Thomas and Condoleezza Rice drew the left-wing racisim to the surface.

This despicable behavior combined with callous treatment of the public by Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, et al will improve the chances of a GOP victory in 2012, regardless of which candidate they run. Especially when the economy continues to tank as a result of the ridiculous amount of spending the Democrat controlled White House and Congress are determined to continue to ram down our throats.


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