3 | Erik The Red Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:34:25pm |
Who did you vote for? Could only be one person. :((
4 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:35:56pm |
"God's going to judge you!"
That's out of line, imo. Using God to bully people is an ugly tactic.
5 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:35:57pm |
Did Matthews feel a tingle watching Obama's performance?
///
6 | _RememberTonyC Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:36:29pm |
Dear Mr President:
You accuse your opponents of fearmongering and spreading falsehoods about Obamacare, but why are we constantly bombarded with the number "47,000,000 Americans without health insurance" when we know only about a third of that number are actually unable to afford insurance? Why don't we fix the problem for the 17-20 millions Americans in need as opposed to remaking a system that serves over 300,000,000 satisfied Americans?
7 | JammieWearingFool Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:37:13pm |
The chump with the gun will really help the cause.
/dumbass...
8 | livefreeor die Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:37:53pm |
re: #6 _RememberTonyC
Dear Mr President:
You accuse your opponents of fearmongering and spreading falsehoods about Obamacare, but why are we constantly bombarded with the number "47,000,000 Americans without health insurance" when we know only about a third of that number are actually unable to afford insurance? Why don't we fix the problem for the 17-20 millions Americans in need as opposed to remaking a system that serves over 300,000,000 satisfied Americans?
100 updings!
9 | itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:38:05pm |
Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo.
11 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:39:22pm |
This was one pissed off attendee and I don't think he belonged to any mob.
All and all there were a lot of good hard questions for Arlen Sphincter which kept him on his heels most of the hour.
IMHO...Me thinks Arlen will have a tough election next year.
alright...next question. Who had number 18?
12 | jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:39:34pm |
BAIT AND SWITCH!
BAIT AND SWITCH!
I was expecting a cute zoo baby!
;-P
13 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:01pm |
Hey, there's an ad for NorCalSocialism up at the top of the page.
Brother, did they ever come knocking on the wrong door...
14 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:04pm |
15 | tedzilla99 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:10pm |
Here's how a real mob operates:
SEIU marching orders
16 | snowcrash Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:27pm |
LGF's fake Town Hall was better. I'd like to see how Spector would address our concerns.
17 | BignJames Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:56pm |
re: #9 itellu3times
Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo.
I do believe it. I do believe it's true.
18 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:00pm |
re: #6 _RememberTonyC
Dear Mr President:
You accuse your opponents of fearmongering and spreading falsehoods about Obamacare, but why are we constantly bombarded with the number "47,000,000 Americans without health insurance" when we know only about a third of that number are actually unable to afford insurance? Why don't we fix the problem for the 17-20 millions Americans in need as opposed to remaking a system that serves over 300,000,000 satisfied Americans?
Stop making rational arguments. The talking point is "Obama is going to to kill your mama personally."
///
19 | karmic_inquisitor Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:15pm |
20 | tedzilla99 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:25pm |
re: #16 snowcrash
LGF's fake Town Hall was better. I'd like to see how Spector would address our concerns.
You would have to give him enough time to switch back to the GOP.
21 | Kragar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:34pm |
re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist
Hey, there's an ad for NorCalSocialism up at the top of the page.
Brother, did they ever come knocking on the wrong door...
But we love socialists!
They're great on the grill.
22 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:36pm |
re: #12 jcm
BAIT AND SWITCH!
BAIT AND SWITCH!I was expecting a cute zoo baby!
;-P
Me too. Gawd, have you seen the meercats? So damn cute.
23 | Noam Sayin' Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:45pm |
The Paulian brought a gun to a town hall?
Irresponsible gun owners give the rest of us a bad name.
24 | BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:54pm |
Why is Matthews talking to this guy? and who brought that "Tree of liberty" sign? Unfortunately he can quote Heinlein.
25 | karmic_inquisitor Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:42:18pm |
re: #17 BignJames
I do believe it. I do believe it's true.
GSGFTA
(Great Simon & Garfunkle Fans Think Alike)
26 | macofromoc Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:42:45pm |
I've never seen so many townhalls. And the congressmen know that it's coming. It sure looks like these guys are looking for cover/reasons to vote against the bill. If you have the Presidency, House, Senate, and proclaim a mandate are these townhalls necessary.
27 | livefreeor die Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:03pm |
re: #9 itellu3times
Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo.
Well, we'll probably be better off with veterinarians if Obamacare passes.
28 | _RememberTonyC Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:03pm |
re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist
Stop making rational arguments. The talking point is "Obama is going to to kill your mama personally."
///
My mama would whack him in the shoulder with her purse "Aunt Esther Style."
29 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:11pm |
I appreciate the man in red thanking Senator Specter for his time before politely stating his problem with the bill. He was polite and I agreed with much of he said. He's a role model.
30 | jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:22pm |
re: #15 tedzilla99
Here's how a real mob operates:
SEIU marching orders
HCAN (Health Care for American Now)
Who are they?
ACORN
SEIU
and fellow travelers.
31 | BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:23pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
He's a frustrated citizen blowing off steam. I think it's forgivable.
32 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:29pm |
re: #23 Noam Sayin'
The Paulian brought a gun to a town hall?
Irresponsible gun owners give the rest of us a bad name.
He might have been eaten by a bear if he left it at home.
/
34 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:55pm |
re: #24 BatGuano
Why is Matthews talking to this guy? and who brought that "Tree of liberty" sign? Unfortunately he can quote Heinlein.
Heinlein? Sorry, can't play the vids from here.
36 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:45:14pm |
re: #28 _RememberTonyC
My mama would whack him in the shoulder with her purse "Aunt Esther Style."
Yeah, I wouldn't bet on him in a fight with some of these ladies.
37 | BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:45:34pm |
re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist
Kostric said, "An armed society is a polite society"- Henlein
38 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:46:02pm |
It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US carrying a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.
39 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:46:05pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
"God's going to judge you!"
That's out of line, imo. Using God to bully people is an ugly tactic.
People throw the accusation of "Taking the Lord's name in vain" about far to much, and far too liberally.
What you quote there, in my mind, is exactly what is meant by taking the Lord's name in vain, and not someone yelling "gawt-damnit" when they stub their toe.
40 | Mich-again Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:46:06pm |
Cudos to Arlen Specter for how he handled the scene. And after the one ranting guy early on, I thought the people in the crowd displayed good behavior and the questions were respectful.
People are angry. Huge surprise.
42 | Truck Monkey Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:04pm |
re: #24 BatGuano
Why is Matthews talking to this guy? and who brought that "Tree of liberty" sign? Unfortunately he can quote Heinlein.
I'd be more impressed if he could quote Heinsohn.
43 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:09pm |
44 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:18pm |
re: #38 Charles
It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US carrying a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.
Quite Concur.
45 | _RememberTonyC Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:22pm |
re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, I wouldn't bet on him in a fight with some of these ladies.
older ladies can sniff out bullshit a mile away ... they have heard it all!
46 | BignJames Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:42pm |
re: #38 Charles
It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US with a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.
As they say...ugly's skin deep, stupid's to the bone.
47 | avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:45pm |
re: #38 Charles
It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US with a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.
I think he was looking for a confrontation to "prove" Obama will take away our guns.
48 | jvic Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:48:04pm |
re: #16 snowcrash
LGF's fake Town Hall was better. I'd like to see how Spector would address our concerns.
Interesting point (which may have been made during the LGF town hall). I wonder if anyone would come if Charles invited them.
John Kerry is probably not a promising candidate...just a guess...
49 | jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:49:46pm |
re: #38 Charles
It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US with a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.
I carry often.
I would not carry to a town with POTUS.
No brainer.
50 | BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:49:50pm |
For some reason , Kostric reminds me of Cosmo Kramer.
51 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:49:51pm |
re: #31 BatGuano
He's a frustrated citizen blowing off steam. I think it's forgivable.
It's emotional and irrational. The gentleman in red did a much better job convincing me of his position than the first guy or the lady going off like a paulbot.
53 | avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:50:24pm |
re: #48 jvic
Interesting point (which may have been made during the LGF town hall). I wonder if anyone would come if Charles invited them.
John Kerry is probably not a promising candidate...just a guess...
Spector was horrible at the town hall, I was not impressed with him at all. I don't agree with the way he was treated, but he just was not well spoken on the issues.
54 | snowcrash Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:50:33pm |
re: #48 jvic
All the heat and emotion is gone, just questions and answers. It would be really interesting.
56 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:50:51pm |
re: #47 avanti
I think he was looking for a confrontation to "prove" Obama will take away our guns.
All he proven is that he's a idiot. Now he's the story, instead of Obama's plan. Hope you enjoy your 15 minutes, jackass.
57 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:51:29pm |
58 | MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:51:34pm |
I thought this thread was gonna' be about those cute baby animals that Charles sometimes posts about.
59 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:51:43pm |
re: #49 jcm
I carry often.
I would not carry to a town with POTUS.
No brainer.
I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.
62 | NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:52:51pm |
These people are angry and have legitimate concerns. If the GOP or any other right wing group was organizing these protesters, they would pick people that were slicker, more able to express themselves. These guys are obviously showing up independently and are angry and frightened about the vague yet life-changing plans that Obama has for our country. They are so worked up that they are doing things that are counter-productive to their goals. That's the way honest people behave when they confront an overwhelming authority that they feel threatened by.
63 | avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:02pm |
re: #59 Charles
I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.
Someone pointed out, he probably tied up some law enforcement that had to watch him full time.
64 | Kragar Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:27pm |
re: #59 Charles
I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.
Hope hasn't been exactly doing that good for the last few months
65 | avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:28pm |
re: #62 NukeAtomrod
These people are angry and have legitimate concerns. If the GOP or any other right wing group was organizing these protesters, they would pick people that were slicker, more able to express themselves. These guys are obviously showing up independently and are angry and frightened about the vague yet life-changing plans that Obama has for our country. They are so worked up that they are doing things that are counter-productive to their goals. That's the way honest people behave when they confront an overwhelming authority that they feel threatened by.
66 | NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:49pm |
re: #38 Charles
It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US carrying a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.
Yeah. That's just stupid.
67 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:51pm |
BTW, and OT, for those of you who've been wondering what Code Pink is up to, one of the things they're up to is hassling Ahava, an Israeli company that makes skin- and hair-care products using minerals from the Dead Sea.
Check out their campaign. For those of you who have some spare change, and were thinking you might order some fancy sunblock some time soon, they have very nice products. Might I discreetly suggest a purchase of a nice Ahava product, followed by notes to the company and Code Pink, letting them know why you're patronizing them?
They have a new line of botanical body washes in trendy scents!
68 | BatGuano Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:55pm |
re: #51 Sharmuta
In debate, emotion is irrational. I was giving him a pass because he's not a professional ass hat like snarlin' Arlen.
69 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:58pm |
re: #60 Sharmuta
Good for Chris to push the birther issue.
Matthews isn't stupid, even though he has sometimes acted that way. He knows that Paulians love letting loose with the Crazy, so he lets them do so. Give a Paulian enough rope and he'll hang himself.
71 | Noam Sayin' Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:54:34pm |
re: #59 Charles
I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.
Absolutely. Why put the Secret Service through extra measures even if you mean the Pres no harm?
72 | albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:54:36pm |
re: #59 Charles
I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.
I would probably leave mine behind but as for others that's their choice...there are armed people everywhere
73 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:55:00pm |
re: #47 avanti
I think he was looking for a confrontation to "prove" Obama will take away our guns.
I don't know about Obama, but the Secret Service certainly will if you get too close to their protectee.
74 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:55:07pm |
re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist
BTW, and OT, for those of you who've been wondering what Code Pink is up to, one of the things they're up to is hassling Ahava, an Israeli company that makes skin- and hair-care products using minerals from the Dead Sea.
Check out their campaign. For those of you who have some spare change, and were thinking you might order some fancy sunblock some time soon, they have very nice products. Might I discreetly suggest a purchase of a nice Ahava product, followed by notes to the company and Code Pink, letting them know why you're patronizing them?
They have a new line of botanical body washes in trendy scents!
75 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:55:21pm |
re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist
BTW, and OT, for those of you who've been wondering what Code Pink is up to, one of the things they're up to is hassling Ahava, an Israeli company that makes skin- and hair-care products using minerals from the Dead Sea.
Check out their campaign. For those of you who have some spare change, and were thinking you might order some fancy sunblock some time soon, they have very nice products. Might I discreetly suggest a purchase of a nice Ahava product, followed by notes to the company and Code Pink, letting them know why you're patronizing them?
They have a new line of botanical body washes in trendy scents!
Code Pink = Shills for Islamist Terror
/spits
76 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:55:25pm |
re: #55 albusteve
guns?...no big deal, sorry
Yeah, but loaded gun+that protest sign+nearby POTUS=big deal.
78 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:56:20pm |
I hope this gun toting moron is now on a list of potential right-wing extremists. What a nut job! People who continue to deny right-wing extremism are delusional.
79 | albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:56:31pm |
re: #76 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, but loaded gun+that protest sign+nearby POTUS=big deal.
all the have to do is restrict firearms at these events...if it's that important
80 | Noam Sayin' Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:57:23pm |
re: #79 albusteve
Can't agree with you on this one, steve. One simply doesn't bring their carry weapon to the same place the President will be.
81 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:57:51pm |
re: #38 Charles
It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US with a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.
A man carried a handgun strapped to his leg to a town hall meeting being held by President Obama in Portsmouth, New Hampshire on Tuesday.
It's legal for him to have the gun as long as it is unconcealed, the police told MSNBC. The man was on private property -- church ground on the roadway leading to the high school where Obama would speak. The church gave the man permission to be there. However, according to police officers, he is under constant surveillance and is not anywhere near where the president will speak.
Charles, it sounds like he was further away from the President then most child molesters are legally permitted from school yards.
I don't agree with the guy...clearly his agenda was not health care.
82 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:57:51pm |
re: #72 albusteve
I would probably leave mine behind but as for others that's their choice...there are armed people everywhere
To be fair, steve; The President is a special case. It is entirely appropriate for the Secret Service to allow no ne not under their control to bear arms near POTUS. The risk is just too great, even if its very small. And as Charles has pointed out, Obama has been threatened more than most.
83 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:58:23pm |
I'm a gun owner, by the way. The retired sergeant who taught my ROTC gun safety class in high school would have beaten that Ron Paul-voting "sovereign citizen" loser into a pulp, the first time he showed a sign of acting like that.
84 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:58:47pm |
re: #47 avanti
I think he was looking for a confrontation to "prove" Obama will take away our guns.
This guy is a complete whack job who probably can't think beyond his next breath.
85 | yochanan Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:59:17pm |
why honor a known anti semite. maybe because he doesn't see it as a problem.
86 | Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:59:19pm |
This is not going to end well. I thought the original tea Party protests were bad but this is much much worse.
87 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:59:33pm |
The Federal Reserve Bank is the problem- of course! [eye-roll]
88 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:59:56pm |
re: #23 Noam Sayin'
The Paulian brought a gun to a town hall?
Irresponsible gun owners give the rest of us a bad name.
He didn't enter the property with it. He was on private property with the permission of the owners holding a sign and carrying an unconcealed firearm. He didn't break any laws, he just exercised exceptionally shitty judgment both by carrying a firearm to a protest and by the actual quote on the sign.
89 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:00:06pm |
re: #83 Charles
I'm a gun owner, by the way. The retired sergeant who taught my ROTC gun safety class in high school would have beaten that "sovereign citizen" loser into a pulp, the first time he showed a sign of acting like that.
I'm reading two of the top articles that came up at google and I seem to be missing two points I would like to know about.
The date of the town hall meeting that he was protesting at and was he arrested?
90 | jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:00:33pm |
re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know about Obama, but the Secret Service certainly will if you get too close to their protectee.
They are very good at spotting too.
I spent a morning at the range then went to a boat show, RWR was POTUS and Michael Reagan was presenting about his boat racing. I didn't know Michael Reagan was there. I stepped into the presentation hall to see what was up, and a USSS agent politely asked me to leave it behind if I was going to watch Reagan.
I was wearing loose clothing with nothing visible, and was still tagged by USSS, I've never been tagged by anyone else that I was carrying in 30 years of doing so.
91 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:01:16pm |
re: #79 albusteve
all the have to do is restrict firearms at these events...if it's that important
I'm sure they do. He wasn't at the event, but on church property facing the road to the event.
Oswald wasn't in the Kennedy motorcade, but he was in a book repository near it's route.
Obviously the guy in the above video didn't cause any harm, but he sure wasn't using his damn brain. It's likely that he was a highly trained hair trigger away from losing his life that day.
92 | albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:02:15pm |
re: #80 Noam Sayin'
Can't agree with you on this one, steve. One simply doesn't bring their carry weapon to the same place the President will be.
I would not...but he's allowed to by law and that's the bottom line...out of propriety for security reasons he should have left it home, but the fact that he didn't is his business...I'm only looking at what the law says
93 | _RememberTonyC Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:02:50pm |
if some nut (G-d forbid) were to take a shot at the POTUS, the violent backlash that would break out in this country would make Watts, Detroit, and the Rodney King riots look like recess at an elementary school. This hysteria needs to be stopped in its tracks before it gets out of control.
96 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:04:32pm |
re: #78 Sharmuta
I hope this gun toting moron is now on a list of potential right-wing extremists. What a nut job! People who continue to deny right-wing extremism are delusional.
Sharmuta, he's an idiot but he was exercising constitutional rights on both counts.
97 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:05:05pm |
re: #86 Killgore Trout
This is not going to end well. I thought the original tea Party protests were bad but this is much much worse.
I agree. When people are ignored, marginalized and called liars, BAD things happen.
98 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:05:17pm |
re: #89 Walter L. Newton
I'm reading two of the top articles that came up at google and I seem to be missing two points I would like to know about.
The date of the town hall meeting that he was protesting at and was he arrested?
Never mind, I got it, had to dig a little more.
99 | Flyovercountry Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:05:36pm |
This idiot couldn't have done more to hurt our side if he were specifically hired by Obama for that purpose. One way to lose this debate is to be what they are accusing us of being. Really dummy, what was the gun going to accomplish anyhow? Peacefully asking qeustions for which there are no good answers is worth gold in this debate. Taking a gun to a town hall meeting is beyond worthless. It lends credibility to statements that an unruly mob is infiltrating these meetings. One idiot can destroy the effect of a large group of actually outraged Americans.
100 | albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:05:57pm |
re: #94 Sharmuta
"Clearly I'm not advocating violence" *wink wink*
armed citizens have little record of violence as opposed to criminals
101 | itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:06:03pm |
re: #96 Wendya
Sharmuta, he's an idiot but he was exercising constitutional rights on both counts.
Can't seem to reconcile the idea of freedom with outlawing idiocy, durn it.
102 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:06:45pm |
re: #89 Walter L. Newton
I'm reading two of the top articles that came up at google and I seem to be missing two points I would like to know about.
The date of the town hall meeting that he was protesting at and was he arrested?
He was protesting from the sidelines of one of Obama's town halls. He was not arrested because being stupid isn't against the law.
103 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:07:18pm |
re: #95 albusteve
I've stepped in the shit again...
Meh. Scrape it off, rinse the shoe (I hope you were wearing shoes), and you'll be fine.
You were speaking literally, right?
/
104 | BignJames Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:07:22pm |
re: #99 Flyovercountry
This idiot couldn't have done more to hurt our side if he were specifically hired by Obama for that purpose. One way to lose this debate is to be what they are accusing us of being. Really dummy, what was the gun going to accomplish anyhow? Peacefully asking qeustions for which there are no good answers is worth gold in this debate. Taking a gun to a town hall meeting is beyond worthless. It lends credibility to statements that an unruly mob is infiltrating these meetings. One idiot can destroy the effect of a large group of actually outraged Americans.
Can I start yelling
false flag
, now?
105 | itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:07:54pm |
re: #102 Wendya
He was protesting from the sidelines of one of Obama's town halls. He was not arrested because being stupid isn't against the law.
Yeah, but at some point it turns out to be against the law of the survival of the not stupidest.
106 | albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:08:02pm |
re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth
Meh. Scrape it off, rinse the shoe (I hope you were wearing shoes), and you'll be fine.
You were speaking literally, right?
/
like KT says I stink
107 | yochanan Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:08:16pm |
re: #93 _RememberTonyC
if some nut (G-d forbid) were to take a shot at the POTUS, the violent backlash that would break out in this country would make Watts, Detroit, and the Rodney King riots look like recess at an elementary school. This hysteria needs to be stopped in its tracks before it gets out of control.
that is quite true, in fact i heard a few rumors on that subject this morning on the bus. some one wanted to start a race war in America (Nazi' or islamist or some other nut case) that is what they would do.
I personally hope the zero serves his full 4 years and has a long uneventful life after that.
108 | NukeAtomrod Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:08:21pm |
re: #99 Flyovercountry
This idiot couldn't have done more to hurt our side if he were specifically hired by Obama for that purpose. One way to lose this debate is to be what they are accusing us of being. Really dummy, what was the gun going to accomplish anyhow? Peacefully asking qeustions for which there are no good answers is worth gold in this debate. Taking a gun to a town hall meeting is beyond worthless. It lends credibility to statements that an unruly mob is infiltrating these meetings. One idiot can destroy the effect of a large group of actually outraged Americans.
Which is why Chris Matthews put him on his show. If this idiot's antics gain traction, maybe people will be deterred from going to these town hall meetings.
109 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:08:36pm |
re: #6 _RememberTonyC
Dear Mr President:
You accuse your opponents of fearmongering and spreading falsehoods about Obamacare, but why are we constantly bombarded with the number "47,000,000 Americans without health insurance" when we know only about a third of that number are actually unable to afford insurance? Why don't we fix the problem for the 17-20 millions Americans in need as opposed to remaking a system that serves over 300,000,000 satisfied Americans?
Gosh-ding!
110 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:09:22pm |
re: #102 Wendya
He was protesting from the sidelines of one of Obama's town halls. He was not arrested because being stupid isn't against the law.
Thanks, I finally found the references in an article.
Which brings me to WHY I had trouble finding out some stuff at first. This guy did nothing wrong. I was skimming the articles and wondering, he's on MSNBC, wasn't he arrested, how come there is nothing about an arrest and so on.
Oh, he did nothing wrong.
Probably stupid, but nothing wrong.
111 | BignJames Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:09:32pm |
re: #104 BignJames
Quote function be messin' wid my posts.
112 | jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:09:47pm |
re: #102 Wendya
He was protesting from the sidelines of one of Obama's town halls. He was not arrested because being stupid isn't against the law.
We'll see if he gets charged.
The sign and the fact he was carrying can be construed as a threat to POTUS.
Scooping him up and letting him cool off for 48 hours isn't the end of the world.
USSS has no room for error in protecting the POTUS.
I'm as pro 2nd as they come.
113 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:10:00pm |
re: #96 Wendya
Sharmuta, he's an idiot but he was exercising constitutional rights on both counts.
Did I say something contrary to that? Would law enforcement be out of line to monitor this man after his comments and actions?
114 | Gella Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:10:07pm |
have u seen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
i dont know how true this is, just wondering
116 | ladycatnip Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:11:47pm |
#99 Flyovercountry
This idiot couldn't have done more to hurt our side if he were specifically hired by Obama for that purpose.
Hmmm, he definitely looked and sounded stupid enough to be a leftist. Maybe we should read Alinsky's rules to see whether this is a tactic or not, as I wouldn't put this past them - a little digging would shed the light on this.
Either way, left-nut or right-wingnut, he should be in jail for taking a gun to the location where our president would be. I'd see that as a definite threat.
117 | sngnsgt Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:12:03pm |
re: #114 Gella
It expresses my feelings, it should be even lower.
118 | albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:12:19pm |
re: #113 Sharmuta
Did I say something contrary to that? Would law enforcement be out of line to monitor this man after his comments and actions?
yes
119 | CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:12:27pm |
re: #104 BignJames
, now?
False flag? Not likely. Paulians seem to have their own special brand of stupid, which is plenty to explain this guy.
To use another Heinlein quote, "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity."
120 | NelsFree Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:12:54pm |
re: #104 BignJames
, now?
Good evening all,
Clearly, this ONE LONE PERSON has become the focus of this thread (and the focii of many posters) which takes the focus off the real problem; Obama care is going to foc us all.
121 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:13:00pm |
re: #113 Sharmuta
Did I say something contrary to that? Would law enforcement be out of line to monitor this man after his comments and actions?
If you mean down the road, in the future, yes.
122 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:13:12pm |
re: #102 Wendya
He was protesting from the sidelines of one of Obama's town halls. He was not arrested because being stupid isn't against the law.
It should be. And it should hurt.
/
NSFW
123 | RememberSekhmet? Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:13:48pm |
Making sure your earrings are out and you're wearing your steel-toed boots in case some arsehole starts trouble is prudent (hey, I don't think those SEIU choads would refrain from hitting a girl). Bringing a gun is so dumb I can't pick my jaw up off the floor to form words about it.
124 | jaunte Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:13:49pm |
I'm surprised this guy didn't claim we started down the wrong road in 1789 by paying for a Navy.
125 | jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:14:27pm |
re: #113 Sharmuta
Did I say something contrary to that? Would law enforcement be out of line to monitor this man after his comments and actions?
They will.
They make visits to individuals who have made threats in the past when POTUS visits the local they live in.
126 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:14:55pm |
re: #106 albusteve
like KT says I stink
Nah, dude. You're alright as far as I'm concerned. I might not agree with you all the time, but you're cool.
127 | jcm Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:15:03pm |
re: #124 jaunte
I'm surprised this guy didn't claim we started down the wrong road in 1789 by paying for a Navy.
I blame the Dread Pirate Bush!
128 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:15:30pm |
re: #124 jaunte
I'm surprised this guy didn't claim we started down the wrong road in 1789 by paying for a Navy.
Yep. It's all been dowhill since 1789.
130 | NelsFree Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:15:48pm |
re: #114 Gella
have u seen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
i dont know how true this is, just wondering
linear extrapolation puts him at 40% by May '10.
/Jus' sayin'
131 | ladycatnip Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:16:14pm |
re my #116
I'm a HUGE 2nd Amendment fan, but for anyone to take a gun to the president's location has to be dumber than dirt.
133 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:16:57pm |
re: #114 Gella
have u seen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
i dont know how true this is, just wondering
Probably accurate. Rasmussen only polls likely voters, which makes his polls the most reliable.
134 | Gella Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:17:04pm |
re: #130 NelsFree
linear extrapolation puts him at 40% by May '10.
/Jus' sayin'
ya don't forget +/-3% for statistical inaccuracy
135 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:17:59pm |
re: #100 albusteve
armed citizens have little record of violence as opposed to criminals
What distinguishes an armed citizen from a criminal, besides violence?
And citizenship, possibly.
/
136 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:18:00pm |
These guys scare the shit out of me.
Rifles now, or pitchforks later. It's decision time. They need to be afraid of us. I'm not saying we need to be violent, but they need to be afraid of our potential for violence.
137 | NelsFree Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:18:09pm |
re: #129 jaunte
It's the Privateer sector!
ARrrrgh! We be startin' a Piyratt pun thread, me hearties!
/Rrrr
138 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:18:12pm |
re: #110 Walter L. Newton
Thanks, I finally found the references in an article.
Which brings me to WHY I had trouble finding out some stuff at first. This guy did nothing wrong. I was skimming the articles and wondering, he's on MSNBC, wasn't he arrested, how come there is nothing about an arrest and so on.
Oh, he did nothing wrong.
Probably stupid, but nothing wrong.
Absolutely mind numbingly stupid, at least from my perspective, but not even remotely illegal. Yet, there is a flurry of panic about him bringing a gun to a town hall meeting. He didn't ever attempt to enter the property. He wasn't at the town hall meeting, he was on private property.
139 | Zorro Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:18:50pm |
At least he didn't show up in a wheelchair, like that clansman.
140 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:18:55pm |
re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth
Yochanan, I don't actually believe the cops should beat someone up because they say something stupid. I just took Wendya's post as an opportunity to link something funny, that's all.
141 | RememberSekhmet? Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:19:21pm |
I think 0bama is an A-class choad, but he is still the President, and threatening his life should gain one a serious talking-to, if not an ass-kicking from, the Secret Service.
142 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:19:48pm |
re: #123 RememberSekhmet?
Making sure your earrings are out and you're wearing your steel-toed boots in case some arsehole starts trouble is prudent (hey, I don't think those SEIU choads would refrain from hitting a girl). Bringing a gun is so dumb I can't pick my jaw up off the floor to form words about it.
I also recommend making sure your keys are not in your pants pockets, and having ID.
143 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:20:19pm |
Might as well serve up my daily limerick an hour or two earlier.
The cryptofascistic Ann Coulter
Whines of all of the things that revolt her.
Since the list is so long, Ann,
Just give us a song, and
A blonde, stiff salute from the shoulder.
144 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:20:27pm |
The guy with the gun made mince meat out of Matthews.
Considering his extreme disadvantage in the interview, I thought he was calm, cool and brilliant compared to the ranting, drooling fool Matthews.
Having said that, I disagreed with almost everything the polite armed fellow said.
145 | tedzilla99 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:20:48pm |
re: #141 RememberSekhmet?
I think 0bama is an A-class choad, but he is still the President, and threatening his life should gain one a serious talking-to, if not an ass-kicking from, the Secret Service.
You're right, and as soon as somebody does, I'm sure it will happen. However, that is not the case here.
146 | Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:20:58pm |
I have confidence that the Secret Service could handle the situation but I do seriously fear for the safety of our president.
147 | NelsFree Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:21:14pm |
re: #134 Gella
ya don't forget +/-3% for statistical inaccuracy
ARRrrrgh! Ye bein' accusin' me o' inaccuracy, Matey! Draw yer weapon!
I'll cut yer decimal off yer bones faster than skin falls off a Leper on a vibratin' bed!!
/Arr, I copied that last bit.
148 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:21:32pm |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
I have confidence that the Secret Service could handle the situation but I do seriously fear for the safety of our president.
They're very, very good at what they do. We can only hope for the best.
149 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:21:43pm |
re: #138 Wendya
Absolutely mind numbingly stupid, at least from my perspective, but not even remotely illegal. Yet, there is a flurry of panic about him bringing a gun to a town hall meeting. He didn't ever attempt to enter the property. He wasn't at the town hall meeting, he was on private property.
And that was my point. He had a point to make, and he did a wonderful job of making it and staying in the bounds of the law. Excellent lesson in constitutional rights and who our freedoms work.
Terrible lesson in choices one makes to present an opinion and a point of view.
But over all, what we are all about worked in this situation and that's amazing.
Could you imagine this in any other country?
Personally, I'm proud of us.
Not him.
150 | albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:22:30pm |
re: #141 RememberSekhmet?
I think 0bama is an A-class choad, but he is still the President, and threatening his life should gain one a serious talking-to, if not an ass-kicking from, the Secret Service.
who did that?...the man was armed, which is his right...he didn't threaten anybody, and there were probably many other armed citizens around as well
151 | brookly red Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:22:39pm |
re: #147 NelsFree
ARRrrrgh! Ye bein' accusin' me o' inaccuracy, Matey! Draw yer weapon!
I'll cut yer decimal off yer bones faster than skin falls off a Leper on a vibratin' bed!!
/Arr, I copied that last bit.
copied or pirated??
152 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:22:44pm |
re: #113 Sharmuta
Did I say something contrary to that? Would law enforcement be out of line to monitor this man after his comments and actions?
No, they wouldn't. Being a dumbass doesn't make him a potential threat to the President but his stupid, ill thought out actions will divert money and manpower to tracking him when he may be nothing more than just a blowhard.
153 | Flyovercountry Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:22:48pm |
re: #131 ladycatnip
re my #116
I'm a HUGE 2nd Amendment fan, but for anyone to take a gun to the president's location has to be dumber than dirt.
By the way, the 2nd amendment will not save you from the wrath of the Secret Service when venturing into the location or proximity of those they are protecting. This is a special kind of Stupid. There is a complete lack of humor in these matters. This idiot will spend the rest of his life on a special list of morons to be rounded up anytime anyone with protection pops by. He doesn't realize it yet, but he'll get it one day. During a presidential campaign in say, 27 years or so.
154 | Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:22:54pm |
I also find it very disheartening to see so many people supporting a white nationalist showing up with a loaded gun to protest our President.
155 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:23:13pm |
re: #136 jorline
Oh. My. God. That statement is so stupid its hard to keep your jaw from hitting the floor. What difference is there between that and what Hamas says? Answer: Not much difference at all.
156 | Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:23:45pm |
Boy has Ben Stein gone downhill, now appearing in an ad for one of those sleazy credit report sites.
157 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:24:05pm |
re: #123 RememberSekhmet?
As others have pointed out, the man acted within his legal rights, but he was damn stupid doing it the way he did.
I have the legal, constitutional right to walk into a biker bar and yell "People who wear leather and ride bikes are homos", but you better believe I am no where dumb enough to actually do that.
158 | quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:24:15pm |
re: #124 jaunte
We didn't start paying for the Navy until Jefferson ordered the six frigates to fight the Barbary Pirates. Before that, we paid tribute.
159 | _RememberTonyC Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:24:18pm |
have a good night, all. thanks for the updings and rational discussion.
160 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:24:31pm |
"One day God's going to stand before you."
Um, point of order?
I believe, theologically speaking, it's the other way round.
161 | NelsFree Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:25:06pm |
162 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:25:08pm |
re: #155 Dark_Falcon
Oh. My. God. That statement is so stupid its hard to keep your jaw from hitting the floor. What difference is there between that and what Hamas says? Answer: Not much difference at all.
LUAP NOR supporters.
163 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:25:18pm |
re: #154 Killgore Trout
I also find it very disheartening to see so many people supporting a white nationalist showing up with a loaded gun to protest our President.
I'm support our laws and our law keepers. The police and all the other law enforcement officials, evidently the secret service, and generally all involved, acted with in the law, the constitution, and nothing happened.
And the jerk, well, he was with in his rights too.
I'm supporting our country, good job.
164 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:25:22pm |
re: #149 Walter L. Newton
And that was my point. He had a point to make, and he did a wonderful job of making it and staying in the bounds of the law. Excellent lesson in constitutional rights and who our freedoms work.
Terrible lesson in choices one makes to present an opinion and a point of view.
But over all, what we are all about worked in this situation and that's amazing.
Could you imagine this in any other country?
Personally, I'm proud of us.
Not him.
No, absolutely not him but your point about our ability to peacefully exercise our rights is well stated.
Some people seem to miss the fact that he was violating no laws. We've become a country that seems to think what we feel should dictate what is legal.
165 | albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:25:58pm |
re: #154 Killgore Trout
I also find it very disheartening to see so many people supporting a white nationalist showing up with a loaded gun to protest our President.
I support the rule of law...I leave the assumptions to other mind readers...is the guy smart?, probably not...that does not make him and extremist killer
167 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:26:02pm |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
I have confidence that the Secret Service could handle the situation but I do seriously fear for the safety of our president.
Agreed, Obama like every POTUS since Kennedy, really needs to watch himself and avoid risky settings.
Allowing armed civilians without security clearance to be within range of a president is just plain nuts.
168 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:26:08pm |
re: #160 Cato the Elder
"One day God's going to stand before you."
Um, point of order?
I believe, theologically speaking, it's the other way round.
Exactly. This guy is going to have to answer to Jesus for his crazy actions, and won't he be surprised when he learns what Jesus thinks of them.
169 | karmic_inquisitor Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:26:59pm |
Well there is a media library of the evolution of a protest movement here. It too got out of control even though a great many on the left still admire it.
Plenty of instances of one side shouting down the other in public forums.
Plenty of instances of groups taking up arms.
Principled grievance evolving into self righteous idiocy and ultimately destruction. Then and now.
171 | quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:27:55pm |
B/T/W, I voted for the idiot McCain. Still no regrets.
172 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:28:11pm |
re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist
BTW, and OT, for those of you who've been wondering what Code Pink is up to, one of the things they're up to is hassling Ahava, an Israeli company that makes skin- and hair-care products using minerals from the Dead Sea.
Check out their campaign. For those of you who have some spare change, and were thinking you might order some fancy sunblock some time soon, they have very nice products. Might I discreetly suggest a purchase of a nice Ahava product, followed by notes to the company and Code Pink, letting them know why you're patronizing them?
They have a new line of botanical body washes in trendy scents!
I just added the sunblock and the trendy botanical body washes.
173 | NelsFree Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:28:11pm |
re: #155 Dark_Falcon
From the Constitution of the United States, Second Amendment:
" A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
174 | Ojoe Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:28:21pm |
175 | wee fury Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:28:38pm |
Henry Repeating Arms had a commercial on FNC (O'Reilly). Also ran on CNN (Dobbs).
176 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:29:15pm |
re: #172 Alouette
I just added the sunblock and the trendy botanical body washes.
Thank you greatly!
177 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:30:30pm |
"I'm prepared to keep single payer on the table as a matter of consideration and flexibility."
Nonononononono. We can't have sanity leaking into this discussion.
178 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:31:44pm |
re: #177 Cato the Elder
"I'm prepared to keep single payer on the table as a matter of consideration and flexibility."
And as a way to drive private insurance companies out of business.
179 | quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:32:02pm |
re: #177 Cato the Elder
Explain. You like single payer because . . .?
180 | RememberSekhmet? Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:32:03pm |
re: #150 albusteve
who did that?...the man was armed, which is his right...he didn't threaten anybody, and there were probably many other armed citizens around as well
Hey, to be fair, I think he was arming himself more against the union goons than against the President, but there ain't no Psi Corps working for the Secret Service to let them know the difference, so no guns near the POTUS, period.
181 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:32:14pm |
I am a gun owner.
I am a strong believer not only in the Second Amendment right of the individual to own firearms, but, under proper circumstances, individuals should be allowed to carry their weapons.
But, this guy is either a complete idiot (in the literal sense) or he is an anti-gun agent provocateur. No one can be that stupid to carry a gun and have a placard about watering the tree of liberty--at an event where the POTUS is going to be speaking. It's akin to yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie house and claiming free speech. This is a man that did more damage today to gun owners than imaginable.
As for Sen. Specter, he had to know what he was getting into. There was a mixed bag in that crowd, to be sure. I think the concerned citizens outnumber the plants and if you look, you can spot both sides. But, this is got to be resonating with Washington--the American people do not want this and they certainly don't want it jammed down their throats.
182 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:32:57pm |
That guy in the white shirt and tie managing the microphone is obviously a kneecapping SEIU thug.
183 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:33:00pm |
184 | NelsFree Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:33:07pm |
re: #169 karmic_inquisitor
Well there is a media library of the evolution of a protest movement here. It too got out of control even though a great many on the left still admire it.
Plenty of instances of one side shouting down the other in public forums.
Plenty of instances of groups taking up arms.
Principled grievance evolving into self righteous idiocy and ultimately destruction. Then and now.
You appear to have left out the Communist influence behind much of the leftist rhetoric.
185 | brookly red Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:34:56pm |
I just can't figure out how it is the taxes taken from what, 200 million people can be a single payer...
186 | NelsFree Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:35:16pm |
re: #183 calcajun
Oh, I will not be hooked into this.
ARgh, come on, let yer kids play in the back yard-arm!
/R
187 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:35:26pm |
I'd rather have corporate telephone monkeys in charge of my life, any day. They're so chirpy and sexy on the phone.
188 | jaunte Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:35:38pm |
re: #181 calcajun
I'm pretty sure he is, and remains, a complete idiot. And his politics and intention are probably represented by this Ron Paul forum comment jorline linked earlier up at 136:
Rifles now, or pitchforks later. It's decision time. They need to be afraid of us. I'm not saying we need to be violent, but they need to be afraid of our potential for violence.
189 | karmic_inquisitor Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:35:42pm |
re: #184 NelsFree
You appear to have left out the Communist influence behind much of the leftist rhetoric.
Well there is white nationalist rhetoric fueling a certain "bring you gun to the protest" guy these days. And then there is the whole Ron Paul thing with the Jooos.
Nuts seeking other nuts find trees.
190 | brookly red Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:35:45pm |
191 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:37:12pm |
Of course, illegal aliens are the root of any health care problems in this great nation.
192 | RememberSekhmet? Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:37:13pm |
re: #187 Cato the Elder
I'd rather have corporate telephone monkeys in charge of my life, any day. They're so chirpy and sexy on the phone.
Being a professional telephone monkey for many years--trust me, you don't want us making those kinds of decisions for you. If you want to meet people who have learned to hate humanity, just listen to some phone monkeys who just got off work.
193 | Red Lion Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:37:27pm |
What was that crazoid doing on television? As Matthews pointed out, his presence with a gun and a sign constituted a threat against the president's life. He should have been clapped in leg irons and thrown in a dungeon ...
194 | Truck Monkey Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:37:37pm |
re: #185 brookly red
I just can't figure out how it is the taxes taken from what, 200 million people can be a single payer...
The really think that the money you are making is yours? You are lucky that the Gubment allows you to keep as much of it as you do.
/I wish I was being sarcastic.
195 | quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:37:46pm |
re: #187 Cato the Elder
Not answering my question about your love for single payer because . . .?
196 | Mich-again Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:38:16pm |
I think the American taxpayers have a potential class action lawsuit against Congress for malpractice.
197 | NelsFree Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:39:11pm |
re: #189 karmic_inquisitor
Well there is white nationalist rhetoric fueling a certain "bring you gun to the protest" guy these days. And then there is the whole Ron Paul thing with the Jooos.
Nuts seeking other nuts find trees.
Please provide example(s) of White Nationalism present at the Town Hall meetings in protest of Health Care Reform. It is my opinion that any "Ron Paul thing with the Jooos" is irrelevant; I question why you brought that up.
/Perhaps you forgot your /sarc tag???
198 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:39:15pm |
re: #195 quickjustice
Not answering my question about your love for single payer because . . .?
Of the way you posed it.
199 | albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:40:19pm |
200 | quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:40:22pm |
re: #196 Mich-again
I'm hoping the voters throw the rascals out at the next opportunity. But you're flattering them. Only professionals can commit malpractice. Everyone else is merely reckless or negligent.
201 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:40:23pm |
re: #150 albusteve
who did that?...the man was armed, which is his right...he didn't threaten anybody, and there were probably many other armed citizens around as well
Buddy, there are a number of "don't"s in life. Among them are:
Don't wear a speedo to church
Don't wear white after Labor Bay.
Don't bring bacon-wrapped sausage balls to an Orthodox bar mitzvah
Don't mix plaids and stripes.
Don't eat chicken unless it's cooked to 185 degrees
Don't get involved in a land war in Asia
Don't go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line
and Do Not bring a fire arm--anything that looks like a gun--to an event where the POTUS is speaking (not unless you want to be gang tackled by Secret Services types)
These are things you just don't do.
202 | jaunte Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:40:25pm |
re: #196 Mich-again
I think the American taxpayers have a potential class action lawsuit against Congress for malpractice.
Congress has a sovereign remedy for that.
203 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:40:56pm |
I've always noticed how the constitution sucks to progressives. Millions of people in this country elect politicians, judges, law makers, the whole ball of wax, and then these public officials come along and make law, and most of the time the laws are formed with the will of the people behind them.
You see, this guy was 100 percent with in his rights, and it is evident that he very carefully used every right that was afforded to him to make his point.
He wasn't stupid, he knew what he was doing. Do I suggest that this should be the modus operandi for anyone that wants to make points? No I don't. If anything, it's disruptive, dangerous, stretches resources and it is too close for comfort when the president is involved.
But still, he was with in his constitutional right, the laws of New Hampshire, of the town, and of the people who put these laws in place.
But progressives, they know nothing about what is really behind this mans craziness, they just "feel" that this is wrong, so that makes it wrong in their mind. Progressives will attempt to ignore anything, the will of the people, the laws, most anything if their feelings are hurt. It's almost a fear, a fear of the truth, fear that they are not the only ones who count, a fear of narrow vision.
Too bad.
204 | albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:09pm |
re: #196 Mich-again
I think the American taxpayers have a potential class action lawsuit against Congress for malpractice.
that's pretty revolutionary
205 | brookly red Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:12pm |
re: #200 quickjustice
I'm hoping the voters throw the rascals out at the next opportunity. But you're flattering them. Only professionals can commit malpractice. Everyone else is merely reckless or negligent.
or corupt...
206 | Infidel Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:20pm |
For the most part, the gun guy in the second video made perfect sense. The bit about the Progressives' war on the Constitution is right on the mark. The Federal Reserve was largely responsible for the Great Depression and it has also been instrumental in our present mess. Regardless of what sub-paragraph 3 on page 856 of the Healthcare bill says, further government control means an increase in demand without a corresponding increase in supply. And that can have only one result.
207 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:46pm |
re: #186 NelsFree
ARgh, come on, let yer kids play in the back yard-arm!
/R
No-- I am too busy fashioning another plank for our political platform.
208 | newsread5 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:46pm |
Not defending his "stupid" actions but he really did hold up well against the tingly Mathews.
209 | quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:46pm |
re: #198 Cato the Elder
Do you actually know anything about health care policy? Or are you merely siding with the Administration because it's the Administration?
210 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:04pm |
re: #203 Walter L. Newton
No responsible gun owner will defend what this person did, I promise you.
211 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:05pm |
re: #193 Red Lion
What was that crazoid doing on television? As Matthews pointed out, his presence with a gun and a sign constituted a threat against the president's life. He should have been clapped in leg irons and thrown in a dungeon ...
Why wasn't he (and everyone else) stopped, searched and disarmed at the door/entrance?
212 | NelsFree Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:08pm |
Dear Cato,
You posted some critical comments earlier about Sarah Palin. Tonight I see a derogatory limerick about Ann Coulter. You seem to have a 'thing' about attractive Conservative women. So, what's your 'thing'?
Love and hugs,
NelsFree
213 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:12pm |
I wish Arlen had the stones to tell Mr. Reasonable that illegal aliens are not the problem with health care.
214 | Mr. Sandman Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:53pm |
re: #163 Walter L. Newton
I'm support our laws and our law keepers. The police and all the other law enforcement officials, evidently the secret service, and generally all involved, acted with in the law, the constitution, and nothing happened.
And the jerk, well, he was with in his rights too.
I'm supporting our country, good job.
What would you say if a few dozen of these nuts showed up with loaded guns at these events, perhaps arguably technically within the absurd laws of the state, but likely beyond the capacity for police to safely manage? This guy is no doubt going to be a major inspiration for others to bring their guns; let's hope this doesn't end up causing a horrible event.
215 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:43:13pm |
re: #212 NelsFree
Dear Cato,
You posted some critical comments earlier about Sarah Palin. Tonight I see a derogatory limerick about Ann Coulter. You seem to have a 'thing' about attractive Conservative women. So, what's your 'thing'?
Love and hugs,
NelsFree
You're the next subject. Enjoy.
216 | brookly red Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:43:37pm |
re: #213 Cato the Elder
I wish Arlen had the stones to tell Mr. Reasonable that illegal aliens are not the problem with health care.
/well they don't help much either...
217 | Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:43:56pm |
Does anybody know if AARP is now officially endorsing the bill, as Obama suggested in the town hall today?
219 | Gella Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:14pm |
re: #201 calcajun
Buddy, there are a number of "don't"s in life. Among them are:
Don't wear a speedo to church
Don't wear white after Labor Bay.
Don't bring bacon-wrapped sausage balls to an Orthodox bar mitzvah
Don't mix plaids and stripes.
Don't eat chicken unless it's cooked to 185 degrees
Don't get involved in a land war in Asia
Don't go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line
and Do Not bring a fire arm--anything that looks like a gun--to an event where the POTUS is speaking (not unless you want to be gang tackled by Secret Services types)These are things you just don't do.
correction on one, you can actually wear white after Labor day
221 | albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:27pm |
re: #201 calcajun
Buddy, there are a number of "don't"s in life. Among them are:
Don't wear a speedo to church
Don't wear white after Labor Bay.
Don't bring bacon-wrapped sausage balls to an Orthodox bar mitzvah
Don't mix plaids and stripes.
Don't eat chicken unless it's cooked to 185 degrees
Don't get involved in a land war in Asia
Don't go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line
and Do Not bring a fire arm--anything that looks like a gun--to an event where the POTUS is speaking (not unless you want to be gang tackled by Secret Services types)These are things you just don't do.
well he did...so is he an extremist killer Paulian bot?...did he shoot up a bunch of people?, did he say he intended to?...people are stupid, they got BO in office...it does not mean they have malice in their heart
222 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:41pm |
re: #208 newsread5
Not defending his "stupid" actions but he really did hold up well against the tingly Mathews.
Yup, he kicked Matthews' ass.
Which just goes to show what a shithead Matthews is.
223 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:43pm |
re: #203 Walter L. Newton
You think that's scary. An author I liked, Joseph Ellis wrote a piece saying to effect that the time is coming to do away with the Jeffersonian ideal of small less-intrusive government because our society is too complex--more than the founding generation could have imagined.
224 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:45pm |
re: #210 Charles
No responsible gun owner will defend what this person did, I promise you.
And did I defend what he did? No, of course not.
225 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:48pm |
re: #188 jaunte
I'm pretty sure he is, and remains, a complete idiot. And his politics and intention are probably represented by this Ron Paul forum comment jorline linked earlier up at 136:
Talk of armed insurrection is asinine. Our system still works. We still have free elections, right on schedule. Our government, however imperfect it might be at times, still places limits on government. There is no action they can take that can't be corrected or modified. Let your politicians know you are not happy, hold them accountable for what they say and then act on it at the ballot box
226 | Mr. Sandman Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:53pm |
re: #97 Wendya
I agree. When people are ignored, marginalized and called liars, BAD things happen.
Is that a threat or a promise? I think you are inverting cause and effect. If one of these freaks ends up shooting someone, are you going to blame Obama and tacitly defend the shooter?
227 | Ojoe Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:45:04pm |
re: #210 Charles
Yes he was a moron, signed, Ojoe, who does have one of those politically incorrect items.
228 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:45:17pm |
There really is going to be a limit to how much support for extremism I allow to be posted at LGF, by the way.
229 | doppelganglander Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:45:24pm |
re: #213 Cato the Elder
I wish Arlen had the stones to tell Mr. Reasonable that illegal aliens are not the problem with health care.
The people who used to work at the hospitals in the Southwest that were forced to close because they couldn't afford to provide free care to illegal aliens and their offspring would beg to differ with you.
230 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:45:26pm |
re: #214 Mr. Sandman
What would you say if a few dozen of these nuts showed up with loaded guns at these events, perhaps arguably technically within the absurd laws of the state, but likely beyond the capacity for police to safely manage? This guy is no doubt going to be a major inspiration for others to bring their guns; let's hope this doesn't end up causing a horrible event.
Well, we will have to see, won't we. Freedom sucks huh?
231 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:46:30pm |
re: #224 Walter L. Newton
And did I defend what he did? No, of course not.
Yes, you are defending him.
You see, this guy was 100 percent with in his rights, and it is evident that he very carefully used every right that was afforded to him to make his point.
He wasn't stupid, he knew what he was doing. Do I suggest that this should be the modus operandi for anyone that wants to make points? No I don't. If anything, it's disruptive, dangerous, stretches resources and it is too close for comfort when the president is involved.
But still, he was with in his constitutional right, the laws of New Hampshire, of the town, and of the people who put these laws in place.
Don't blow smoke up my ass.
233 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:46:42pm |
re: #228 Charles
There really is going to be a limit to how much support for extremism I allow to be posted at LGF, by the way.
Charles, I don't support what he did, I said that above a number of times.
234 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:46:48pm |
Yep. We're turning into Russia. And jackbooted ACORN commando cadres lead the way!
236 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:47:09pm |
re: #219 Gella
Oh, all right. Winter white--in certain circumstances. But no seersucker.
237 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:47:30pm |
238 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:47:54pm |
re: #231 Charles
Don't blow smoke up my ass.
I'll take you advice and stay out of this conversation. Sorry.
239 | Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:48:23pm |
240 | NelsFree Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:48:51pm |
re: #215 Cato the Elder
You're the next subject. Enjoy.
So, you ONCE AGAIN did not answer the question.
/The pattern continues...
//[GAZE on standby]
241 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:49:10pm |
re: #226 Mr. Sandman
Is that a threat or a promise? I think you are inverting cause and effect. If one of these freaks ends up shooting someone, are you going to blame Obama and tacitly defend the shooter?
Good, grief! Where in the hell did you get that?
I am not advocating violence, I am pointing out a historical fact.
Some of you need to stop reading your secret feelings into what I have or have not said.
242 | MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:49:19pm |
You be well within your rights but still be stupid.
243 | avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:49:24pm |
re: #203 Walter L. Newton
I've always noticed how the constitution sucks to progressives. Millions of people in this country elect politicians, judges, law makers, the whole ball of wax, and then these public officials come along and make law, and most of the time the laws are formed with the will of the people behind them.
You see, this guy was 100 percent with in his rights, and it is evident that he very carefully used every right that was afforded to him to make his point.
He wasn't stupid, he knew what he was doing. Do I suggest that this should be the modus operandi for anyone that wants to make points? No I don't. If anything, it's disruptive, dangerous, stretches resources and it is too close for comfort when the president is involved.
But still, he was with in his constitutional right, the laws of New Hampshire, of the town, and of the people who put these laws in place.
But progressives, they know nothing about what is really behind this mans craziness, they just "feel" that this is wrong, so that makes it wrong in their mind. Progressives will attempt to ignore anything, the will of the people, the laws, most anything if their feelings are hurt. It's almost a fear, a fear of the truth, fear that they are not the only ones who count, a fear of narrow vision.
Too bad.
I feel the same way about the gun toter near the President, as I would seeing someone burn the flag at a vets funeral. Both are within their constitutional rights, both are making a point, and the point is "I'm a dumb ass" I'm not impressed.
245 | Mich-again Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:50:01pm |
re: #225 Wendya
Let your politicians know you are not happy, hold them accountable for what they say and then act on it at the ballot box
Yup.
246 | jaunte Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:50:12pm |
I don't see how people who complained about intimidation when a Black Panther showed up with a billy club for political theater at a polling place can support someone who's carrying a gun for political theater near a Presidential appearance.
247 | karmic_inquisitor Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:50:41pm |
re: #197 NelsFree
Please provide example(s) of White Nationalism present at the Town Hall meetings in protest of Health Care Reform. It is my opinion that any "Ron Paul thing with the Jooos" is irrelevant; I question why you brought that up.
/Perhaps you forgot your /sarc tag???
Easy.
The nut who brought the gun has a page on MySpace.
Hero? Randy Weaver.
248 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:51:16pm |
re: #238 Walter L. Newton
WLN,
If I may, this is a circumstance where someone was "technically" correct in what they were saying, but completely wrong on how they were saying it. No matter how valid this guys point might have been, he undermined his position in the manner in which he made the point.
249 | Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:51:20pm |
I think a lot of people are missing the reality of the situation. This guy fits the "right wing extremist" label. The DHS memo was written because people like him. This is the kind of person who's going to attempt to assassinate the President or go on a politically inspired killing spree.
When/if he does, he's going to be linked to the Tea Parties and the Republicans. You can point at ACORN or claim that he's an undercover leftist but people are only going to laugh at you. This is a very serious and potentially deadly problem with very serious political repercussions. The price for failing to alienate these people will be paid. That's a fact.
250 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:51:51pm |
re: #230 Walter L. Newton
Well, we will have to see, won't we. Freedom sucks huh?
Walter, don't talk that. Charles is seriously against it and you're getting close to inciting a dangerous situation. As someone who likes you and wants you here, i advise you to take a break for an hour and simmer down. This is not a hill you want your account to die on.
251 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:52:02pm |
re: #242 MandyManners
You be well within your rights but still be stupid.
Go figure-- you said it better than I did.
252 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:52:53pm |
re: #213 Cato the Elder
I wish Arlen had the stones to tell Mr. Reasonable that illegal aliens are not the problem with health care.
How much do they cost in free/subsidized care and how many medical resources do they consume?
I doubt it's chickenfeed.
253 | Noam Sayin' Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:54:26pm |
Slightly OT. I took my S&W 686 .357 to the range this weekend. My gosh, I haven't shot one indoors before. It is so loud - and the muzzle flash... wow!
Actually, I took all my handguns. I got a pass for two and a rental for buying the S&W. Rented a HK P30 to add to the PPK and the Taurus 9mm. The P30 is a nice, well-balanced weapon.
254 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:54:40pm |
Well, there's 13:06 I'll never get back.
At least it gave my bottle of vinho verde time to chill in the freezer.
Back in a jiff, gladiator fans.
255 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:54:47pm |
re: #246 jaunte
I don't see how people who complained about intimidation when a Black Panther showed up with a billy club for political theater at a polling place can support someone who's carrying a gun for political theater near a Presidential appearance.
I would not have done it. I have a little more respect for the job the USSS and local law enforcement are tasked with than I have for my "right" to make a statement. When I and others point out what he did was legal, we are being accused of thinking it's cool to strap on a .45 and greet the President with a sign quoting Jefferson on the Tree of Liberty. I will defend legal rights but I'm not defending stupidity. I know some people aren't able to undestand what that means.
257 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:56:08pm |
re: #253 Noam Sayin'
Nice. Picking up another Mosin this weekend. need to clean it well before taking it to the range. Thought about getting a scope, but would have to get a new bolt assembly.
258 | NelsFree Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:56:10pm |
re: #237 Wendya
Rationing.
Rationing during World War 2:
[Link: www.ameshistoricalsociety.org...]
Gasoline was rationed:
"The green 'B' sticker was for driving deemed essential to the war effort; industrial war workers, for example, could purchase eight gallons a week. Red 'C' stickers indicated physicians, ministers, mail carriers and railroad workers. 'T' was for truckers, and the rare 'X' sticker went to members of Congress and other VIPs. Truckers supplying the population with supplies had a T sticker for unlimited amounts of fuel."
/The more things change, the more they remain the same.
259 | Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:56:49pm |
260 | spidly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:57:12pm |
re: #38 Charles
It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US carrying a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.
I couldn't have carried a gun to David Wu's town hall at a police dept, but at the library I could. When Bill Clinton was at PSU I was packing... just annoyed I had to trek halfway down the park blocks to get to the other side of campus. I don't really even think about it most of the time; if I'm not armed I notice, like getting across town and realizing you dont have on your watch or left the cell.
I suppose it may be different in the states where the guns have not been tamed and they still jump up and attack without warning.
261 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:57:15pm |
re: #249 Killgore Trout
The price for failing to alienate these people will be paid. That's a fact.
You keep harping on this. Can you tell us exactly how we can prevent these people from voting (R) and attending "conservative" events? Unless it's on private property, it's damned near impossible to get rid of kooks as the left and right have seen.
262 | Mauser Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:57:34pm |
re: #239 Coracle
Gun rationing? How many do I get?
One gun a month, for a Family of Four...
Depending on how the Administration redefines Family.
263 | wee fury Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:58:00pm |
264 | Noam Sayin' Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:58:42pm |
re: #257 calcajun
What are they getting for them where you're at? A place in Minneapolis had a box of old ones for less than $200 apiece recently.
265 | ladycatnip Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:58:53pm |
#236 calcajun
Oh, all right. Winter white--in certain circumstances. But no seersucker.
Is that still around?
266 | Mich-again Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:59:05pm |
re: #258 NelsFree
Truckers supplying the population with supplies had a T sticker for unlimited amounts of fuel."
Gramps had one of them stickers on his truck.
267 | brookly red Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:59:15pm |
re: #259 Pianobuff
Little girl at Obama town hall has not-so-random political connections
/when in doubt hide behind children...
268 | Mauser Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:59:58pm |
re: #260 spidly
I don't really even think about it most of the time; if I'm not armed I notice, like getting across town and realizing you don't have on your watch or left the cell.
I'm exactly the same way. It's only notable in its absence.
269 | Flyovercountry Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:00:11pm |
re: #249 Killgore Trout
I think a lot of people are missing the reality of the situation. This guy fits the "right wing extremist" label. The DHS memo was written because people like him. This is the kind of person who's going to attempt to assassinate the President or go on a politically inspired killing spree.
When/if he does, he's going to be linked to the Tea Parties and the Republicans. You can point at ACORN or claim that he's an undercover leftist but people are only going to laugh at you. This is a very serious and potentially deadly problem with very serious political repercussions. The price for failing to alienate these people will be paid. That's a fact.
You nailed this on the head. The only good thing is that the Secret Service has his name and address, and by now his known associates written in their little files forever. This clown, by the way was not even close to being within his rights. By carrying that firearm to where he did, he caused the people who protect the POTUS to reasonably suspect him of threatening the President. That in itself is a serious matter. Try going into an airport and saying the word bomb. this is a similar circumstance, but a hundred times worse. For the rest of his life, he will be incarcerated any time a person with protection visits his neck of the woods. Have fun moron, you've earned it.
270 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:00:19pm |
And Fox, after doing its level best to fan the flames of hysteria now basks in the spectacle.
How repugnant. Nothing like decaying the foundations of the Republic for ratings.
Why is a guy who brought a firearm anywhere near an event hosted by any elected official not in jail?
And BTW the contention that the left was just as bad during the Bush years is hogwash. Utter hogwash. However annoying or ridiculous they were, it was nothing like this zoo.
271 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:00:45pm |
a. Arlen Specter is past his expiration date but will not let go.
Politicians are just like ticks. Once burrowed in they are almost impossible to remove. A hot poker in the ass works on wood ticks, makes them back out, not that I am advocating branding Mr. Spedcters old white butt or anyting like that, just sayin'
b. The creeep with the pistol should be tailed from now forward until he spits on the sidewalk, then give him life...
/non-sarc, this was an out and out threat. I believe felony menacing is a possible charge.
272 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:01:09pm |
re: #262 Mauser
One gun a month, for a Family of Four...
Depending on how the Administration redefines Family.
Corleone? Gambino? Geneovese?
273 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:01:09pm |
re: #246 jaunte
I don't see how people who complained about intimidation when a Black Panther showed up with a billy club for political theater at a polling place can support someone who's carrying a gun for political theater near a Presidential appearance.
If 1% of the voters in Philly had brought their guns, the Black Panthers would have hidden their clubs, and themselves.
The Second Amendment is about defending the civil rights of the law-abiding citizenry ("the security of a free state"). It's a safe bet that's not what the Black Panthers were about on Election Day.
274 | Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:00pm |
re: #261 Wendya
You keep harping on this. Can you tell us exactly how we can prevent these people from voting (R) and attending "conservative" events?
I wouldn't be caught dead within 100 yards of an armed dickhead at a Presidential appearance waving a reference to shedding the blood of tyrants. Take responsibility for yourself and people you associate with. His fellow protesters were completely unfazed by his presence. That's the problem.
He should have been told to go home. At the very least he should have been standing alone.
275 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:02pm |
re: #265 ladycatnip
#236 calcajun
Is that still around?
Yep-- there are still suckers who buy'em at Sears.
276 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:06pm |
re: #132 yochanan
can i have my 30 secs back?
Ha! They were yours to spend, Lizard, not mine. I didn't hold a gun to your head, I didn't force you to watch it. So, no, you can't have your 30 seconds back.
277 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:09pm |
re: #240 NelsFree
So, you ONCE AGAIN did not answer the question.
/The pattern continues...
//[GAZE on standby]
A lizard who went by NelsFree
Was as dense as a blogger can be.
He asked why I pillory
Pundit girls right of Hillary.
It's because there's so many. You see?
278 | jaunte Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:25pm |
re: #273 victor_yugo
I think they were doing some street theater, and so was he.
279 | ladycatnip Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:46pm |
#271 The Shadow Do
Had to upding you for that - first belly laugh of the day!
280 | tedzilla99 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:03:28pm |
re: #203 Walter L. Newton
I've always noticed how the constitution sucks to progressives. Millions of people in this country elect politicians, judges, law makers, the whole ball of wax, and then these public officials come along and make law, and most of the time the laws are formed with the will of the people behind them.
You see, this guy was 100 percent with in his rights, and it is evident that he very carefully used every right that was afforded to him to make his point.
He wasn't stupid, he knew what he was doing. Do I suggest that this should be the modus operandi for anyone that wants to make points? No I don't. If anything, it's disruptive, dangerous, stretches resources and it is too close for comfort when the president is involved.
But still, he was with in his constitutional right, the laws of New Hampshire, of the town, and of the people who put these laws in place.
But progressives, they know nothing about what is really behind this mans craziness, they just "feel" that this is wrong, so that makes it wrong in their mind. Progressives will attempt to ignore anything, the will of the people, the laws, most anything if their feelings are hurt. It's almost a fear, a fear of the truth, fear that they are not the only ones who count, a fear of narrow vision.
Too bad.
Freedom and individual rights are kryptonite to progressives, leftists, liberals, whatever. When they preach "freedom of choice", it's only for the choices that they make for you. When they preach "freedom of speech", it's only for speech that they agree with.
Walter, your post quoted above is absolutely brilliant and it should be updinged until the end of the internets.
281 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:03:29pm |
re: #274 Killgore Trout
I wouldn't be caught dead within 100 yards of an armed dickhead at a Presidential appearance waving a reference to shedding the blood of tyrants. Take responsibility for yourself and people you associate with. His fellow protesters were completely unfazed by his presence. That's the problem.
He should have been told to go home. At the very least he should have been standing alone.
He should have been arrested.
282 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:03:42pm |
re: #228 Charles
There really is going to be a limit to how much support for extremism I allow to be posted at LGF, by the way.
Pardon my ignorance, but as a Canadian, I am amazed that there seems to be a concensus that a US citizen without security clearance has the right to be armed withn range and in the presence of the President.
Is this really the law of the land?
If so, how can it be called extremism?
If not, how can the secret service expose the POTUS to this risk?
I just don't get it - it seems almost schizoid.
283 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:04:29pm |
re: #280 tedzilla99
Piss off. I'm finished indulging people who make excuses for the kind of behavior you see above.
284 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:04:34pm |
re: #259 Pianobuff
Little girl at Obama town hall has not-so-random political connections
Why on earth would anyone call on a child during a town hall discussing health care? Children generally echo their parents political ideology. They repeat what they've heard at home or even at school.
286 | Maui Girl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:05:21pm |
Matthews is an ass. HOw many times does the guy he's interviewing need to say He doesn't have an issue with the prez's legitimacy.
287 | NelsFree Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:05:27pm |
re: #277 Cato the Elder
A lizard who went by NelsFree
Was as dense as a blogger can be.
He asked why I pillory
Pundit girls right of Hillary.
It's because there's so many. You see?
Ad hominem attack instead of factual reply.
GAZE
288 | Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:05:49pm |
re: #284 Wendya
Why on earth would anyone call on a child during a town hall discussing health care? Children generally echo their parents political ideology. They repeat what they've heard at home or even at school.
Well in this case, I think you answered your own question. ;-)
289 | Mr. Sandman Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:05:52pm |
re: #241 Wendya
Good, grief! Where in the hell did you get that?
I am not advocating violence, I am pointing out a historical fact.
Some of you need to stop reading your secret feelings into what I have or have not said.
O.K., so you're saying it's a promise then. I count your comments in relation to this as a passive-aggressive defense of extremists, as you are trying to victimize them.
290 | Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:06:07pm |
re: #281 The Shadow Do
He should have been arrested.
Maybe. However, the political fallout of Tea Party/FOX news claims of arresting "innocent" opponents of Obama's healthcare plan might have been a problem. Civil unrest is becoming a consideration. Imagine if an armed Muslim with the same sign showed up at a Bush appearance. The outcome would have been very different.
291 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:06:16pm |
re: #274 Killgore Trout
Agreed.
The issue someone brought , and this needs to be brought out, is this is not someone who, as I understand it, either a concealed carry or an open carry permit.
Now, if in NH, they have open carry, then this guy was right AND wrong. Right to excerise his right to carry. Wrong to do it at that event. It was a direct challenge to authority to do what he did. That sort of stupid provacation was uncalled for.
292 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:06:17pm |
re: #278 jaunte
I think they were doing some street theater, and so was he.
I won't speak to the idiot with Chris "Tingle up my Leg" Matthews. I'm only talking about the Black Panthers (who may yet get theirs, when it's found the investigations were improperly suspended).
293 | doppelganglander Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:06:29pm |
re: #259 Pianobuff
Little girl at Obama town hall has not-so-random political connections
Just as I suspected. It will take a day or two, but the rest of the plants will soon be outed.
294 | tradewind Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:06:37pm |
Flying Pig Alert...
Daily Show's Jon Stewart actually just went through a mocking montage of Democrats attempting to explain the health care legislation.
But for the fact that they're going to push something through anyway, the spot would be hilarious.
297 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:07:44pm |
re: #287 NelsFree
Ad hominem attack instead of factual reply.
GAZE
First you accuse him of improper silence, then you accuse him of improper comment.
Damned if you do...
298 | Neutral President Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:07:49pm |
re: #225 Wendya
Talk of armed insurrection is asinine. Our system still works. We still have free elections, right on schedule. Our government, however imperfect it might be at times, still places limits on government. There is no action they can take that can't be corrected or modified. Let your politicians know you are not happy, hold them accountable for what they say and then act on it at the ballot box
Every time some joker talks about revolution or secession, this needs to be screamed at them. There is no room for civil disobedience and armed insurrection if you can still speak without getting arrested and can still vote.
299 | Infidel Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:08:23pm |
"Why is a guy who brought a firearm anywhere near an event hosted by any elected official not in jail?"
Because, before someone can be sent to jail they must first break the law. Engaging in questionable behavior to make a political point is not illegal.
300 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:08:46pm |
OK, now the Matthews segment.
Idiot: "That's for Orly Taitz to decide."
301 | JPL17 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:08:55pm |
re: #9 itellu3times
Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo.
re: #17 BignJames
I do believe it. I do believe it's true.
re: #19 karmic_inquisitor
I do beleive it.
re: #25 karmic_inquisitor
GSGFTA
(Great Simon & Garfunkle Fans Think Alike)
Let's not forget the other great, immortal line from that S&G song, i.e., "Orangutangs are skeptical of changes in their cages." (Which, come to think of it, explains a lot about this whole health care debate.)
302 | doppelganglander Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:09:40pm |
re: #274 Killgore Trout
I wouldn't be caught dead within 100 yards of an armed dickhead at a Presidential appearance waving a reference to shedding the blood of tyrants. Take responsibility for yourself and people you associate with. His fellow protesters were completely unfazed by his presence. That's the problem.
He should have been told to go home. At the very least he should have been standing alone.
You didn't answer her question.
303 | tradewind Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:09:43pm |
re: #203 Walter L. Newton
Well, you're absolutely right, Walter, and as the only person who could actually save this health care plan has warned us...
[Link: www.kiefer-rocks.com...]
304 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:09:59pm |
Hey Lizards! It still hot in Near Iowa.
Speaking of Zoos. . . . "Aw, Mooom!"
I'll be in and out all night. So, if you ask a question and I don't answer right away, don't feel slighted. I'll get back soon enough.
How are you-all and what are we talking about?
305 | Neutral President Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:10:05pm |
re: #299 Infidel
Engaging in questionable behavior to make a political point is not illegal.
No it's not but that stop it from being a bad idea, wrong, or just flat out stupid. A lot of asinine shit is legal.
306 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:10:10pm |
re: #283 Charles
Piss off. I'm finished indulging people who make excuses for the kind of behavior you see above.
Our first Paulian meltdown of the evening. I'll go put on the charcoal. Grilled Ted will be ready in 40 minutes.
307 | brookly red Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:10:28pm |
re: #293 doppelganglander
Just as I suspected. It will take a day or two, but the rest of the plants will soon be outed.
you had to know they would bring out the children sooner or later, but I didn't think it would be so early.
308 | jaunte Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:10:47pm |
re: #292 victor_yugo
I won't speak to the idiot with Chris "Tingle up my Leg" Matthews. I'm only talking about the Black Panthers (who may yet get theirs, when it's found the investigations were improperly suspended).
In their case, there is a law that covers their behavior. In gneral, I think it's a bad idea to try to intimidate your domestic political opponents; it just leads to escalation.
309 | avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:10:49pm |
re: #281 The Shadow Do
He should have been arrested.
OK, maybe not arrested, but taken aside and briefed on the reality of the security situation. Perhaps arrest is what he was looking for.
310 | Neutral President Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:10:50pm |
311 | Mr. Sandman Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:11:09pm |
re: #230 Walter L. Newton
Well, we will have to see, won't we. Freedom sucks huh?
So would a violent deadly event constitute in your view a vindication of "freedom?" If not, then why are you so eager to defend those engaging in such extreme irresponsible acts that could lead to such an event?
312 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:11:50pm |
re: #299 Infidel
"Why is a guy who brought a firearm anywhere near an event hosted by any elected official not in jail?"
Because, before someone can be sent to jail they must first break the law. Engaging in questionable behavior to make a political point is not illegal.
I agree. Surprised?
What he really ought to do is get laid and stop confusing his piece with his pud.
313 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:11:51pm |
re: #308 jaunte
In their case, there is a law that covers their behavior. In gneral, I think it's a bad idea to try to intimidate your domestic political opponents; it just leads to escalation.
If I didn't know any better, I'd think there were people who might welcome escalation.
314 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:11:53pm |
Really. Never expected to post a Marilyn Manson video...
Seems kind of appropriate.
We're all stars
In the Dope Show.
315 | 3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:12:13pm |
I've been reading HR 3200 as much as possible. I'm not quite ready yet to put together a final take on it, but I am starting to get concerned about how Medicare is being changed in the proposed legislation.
I want to read it through again to make sure I'm putting it together correctly, but right now it seems to me that reimbursements under Medicare are going to be limited/cut significantly and I suspect that this is where the Democrats are trying to find some money to pay for the expansion of health care benefits to those now uninsured.
It may take me another day or two to finish reading this monstrosity through and put it all together. I'm stopping about every 2 or 3 pages and writing notes, and that takes a longtime to do.
I also see where there is this Health Insurance Exchange where private insurance is supposed to "compete" with the public option. But how does a private entity "compete" against an entity that can use the public check book to eat it's losses?
Oh and there is a provision providing for the auditing at will of the private plans by the government...and the private plan has to reimburse the government for the cost.
316 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:12:22pm |
re: #274 Killgore Trout
He should have been told to go home. At the very least he should have been standing alone.
For the sake of argument, what do you do when a kook is asked to leave and refuses? Do you call off your event and go home?
317 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:12:37pm |
re: #299 Infidel
"Why is a guy who brought a firearm anywhere near an event hosted by any elected official not in jail?"
Because, before someone can be sent to jail they must first break the law. Engaging in questionable behavior to make a political point is not illegal.
Infidel, cool it. Walter was smart enough to know when he was pushing it and backed off. You need to do the same. Charles is not going to put up with excusing this nut's actions.
319 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:13:36pm |
re: #316 Wendya
For the sake of argument, what do you do when a kook is asked to leave and refuses? Do you call off your event and go home?
You tell the kook to get the hell away from you, and if he doesn't you call the police and have him arrested for disorderly conduct.
320 | jaunte Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:13:46pm |
re: #313 Sharmuta
If I didn't know any better, I'd think there were people who might welcome escalation.
If they think that will work out fine, it shows they just can't imagine how bad things can get.
321 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:13:56pm |
re: #286 Maui Girl
Matthews is an ass. HOw many times does the guy he's interviewing need to say He doesn't have an issue with the prez's legitimacy.
He may be an ass, but he made a legitimate point or three with this nut ball.
Good grief, I just defended Chris Mathews. Getting chilly in Hell I hear.
322 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:14:04pm |
Actually, what are NH's laws on firearms? Is it open carry or permitted concealed carry? If neither, then this guy probably broke a few laws--including a veiled threat against the POTUS.
Dumb.
323 | tradewind Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:14:27pm |
/Okay, so nuance doesn't constitute a sarc tag/
324 | yesandno Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:14:32pm |
Haven't seen Chris in a long time...love the comb over.
325 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:14:45pm |
re: #315 3 wood
I also see where there is this Health Insurance Exchange where private insurance is supposed to "compete" with the public option. But how does a private entity "compete" against an entity that can use the public check book to eat it's losses?Oh and there is a provision providing for the auditing at will of the private plans by the government...and the private plan has to reimburse the government for the cost.
Obama intends to kill private health care via a thousand cuts. He figures that the death will be be less noticeable that way.
326 | karmic_inquisitor Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:14:46pm |
Any lawyers on line?
Found an appeal of a conviction of William A. Kostrick.
Cocaine distribution in 1989.
[Link: cases.justia.com...]
Same guy?
327 | jaunte Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:02pm |
re: #321 The Shadow Do
Good grief, I just defended Chris Mathews. Getting chilly in Hell I hear.
Weird times.
328 | Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:06pm |
re: #280 tedzilla99
Freedom and individual rights are kryptonite to
progressives, leftists, liberals, whateverthe ideological group I oppose. When they preach "freedom of choice", it's only for the choices that they make for you. When they preach "freedom of speech", it's only for speech that they agree with.
FIFY
329 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:17pm |
re: #290 Killgore Trout
Maybe. However, the political fallout of Tea Party/FOX news claims of arresting "innocent" opponents of Obama's healthcare plan might have been a problem. Civil unrest is becoming a consideration. Imagine if an armed Muslim with the same sign showed up at a Bush appearance. The outcome would have been very different.
Sad cynical but I suspect true.
330 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:18pm |
re: #321 The Shadow Do
I don't know about that, but some pre-bacon just flew by my window.
331 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:20pm |
re: #320 jaunte
If they think that will work out fine, it shows they just can't imagine how bad things can get.
I wonder how many have taken the time to follow their trains of thought to their logical conclusions.
332 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:30pm |
"I do know history. Mine. No girl would look at me twice after I mentioned the faked moon landing. This seemed like a good way to meet chicks."
And you know what? His phone is ringing off the hook (gawd, if that doesn't date me!) with Stormfront sluts offering to father his spawn.
333 | NelsFree Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:34pm |
Well, I must retire. Thank you all for, once again, an interesting blogversation. My Three Affectations:
Charles: thank you for frankness and courtesy in precarious balance
Mich-again: Date night with Gramps' truck!
Cato: *Whack!* What are you hiding?!
G'nite all.
334 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:37pm |
re: #298 ArchangelMichael
Every time some joker talks about revolution or secession, this needs to be screamed at them. There is no room for civil disobedience and armed insurrection if you can still speak without getting arrested and can still vote.
Uh, Black Panthers anyone?
Oh, and one of our own Monitor Lizards witnessed how much illegal polling activity by ACORN?
If any election in our living memory counts as "stolen," this is it.
335 | Infidel Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:59pm |
Re: 305,
Exactly, that's why he's not in jail. And again, he had valid points in the discussion. I'm not a "Paulian;" but, when someone makes an accurate statement on our rapidly declining liberty, he's right regardless of who he voted for.
336 | Mauser Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:16:02pm |
re: #298 ArchangelMichael
Every time some joker talks about revolution or secession, this needs to be screamed at them. There is no room for civil disobedience and armed insurrection if you can still speak without getting arrested and can still vote.
Exactly. There's some list of "Boxes", Soapbox, Ballot Box, Jury Box, ... ending with Cartridge Box.
Those who talk about shooting politicians before all those other options have been exhausted are Jumping the Gun, so to speak...
Anyone running around wanting to be the first one to get a shot off in the "Coming Revolution" is more than likely to be one of the first casualties, and deservedly so.
337 | rwmofo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:16:04pm |
The positive I took from this is Matthews expected to be shooting fish in a barrel. This gun-toter surprisingly reminded me of Al Sharpton for being a little smoother than Matthews thought he would be.
But, like, he carried a gun where?
338 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:16:52pm |
re: #299 Infidel
"Why is a guy who brought a firearm anywhere near an event hosted by any elected official not in jail?"
Because, before someone can be sent to jail they must first break the law. Engaging in questionable behavior to make a political point is not illegal.
He should be in jail. Charge? Dangerously stupid.
339 | karmic_inquisitor Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:17:18pm |
re: #326 karmic_inquisitor
Any lawyers on line?
Found an appeal of a conviction of William A. Kostrick.
Cocaine distribution in 1989.
[Link: cases.justia.com...]
Same guy?
Scratch that - found his booking - was 42 at time of arrest in 89. Would be 62 now.
341 | Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:17:24pm |
re: #316 Wendya
For the sake of argument, what do you do when a kook is asked to leave and refuses? Do you call off your event and go home?
You go to the other side of the street. You move the protest around the block. The possibilities are endless. Take personal responsibility. You are not forced to associate with armed White Nationalists and I'm not required to solve your problems for you. Take responsibility for yourself or be lazy and stupid. I don't care. You'll suffer the consequences or reap the benefits of your own behaviour. I'm not going to do it for you and you shouldn't expect me to.
342 | Mich-again Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:17:35pm |
I'm sure some people came to the town hall meetings with the intent of asking a serious question.
But I'm guessing most the people who showed up just wanted to show their disgust with Congresscritter Fillintheblank and they hooted and hollered from the peanut gallery.
And then there are a minority of people who are bold/dumb enough to think the best thing to do is get in front of the mic and rant and rave and invoke the wrath of God upon said Congresscritter. Jeesh.
But, there are a select few genuinely dangerous lunatics who think the best thing to do is brandish a weapon, hold up a poster board with a threat on it, and hang out on Church property along a Presidential motorcade route.
That guy should have been approached, apprehended, and then whisked away. Sorry but its not your constitutional right to pretend to be Lee Harvey Asshole.
343 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:17:51pm |
re: #201 calcajun
Buddy, there are a number of "don't"s in life. Among them are:
Don't wear a speedo to church
Don't wear white after Labor Bay.
Don't bring bacon-wrapped sausage balls to an Orthodox bar mitzvah
Don't mix plaids and stripes.
Don't eat chicken unless it's cooked to 185 degrees
Don't get involved in a land war in Asia
Don't go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line
and Do Not bring a fire arm--anything that looks like a gun--to an event where the POTUS is speaking (not unless you want to be gang tackled by Secret Services types)These are things you just don't do.
Forgot these:
You don't tug on superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
And you don't mess around with jim
344 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:18:45pm |
re: #312 Cato the Elder
I agree. Surprised?
What he really ought to do is get laid and stop confusing his piece with his pud.
So it's legal for a person without security clearance to openly carry at a political event in range of the POTUS? Wow.
But if so, how could the Secret Service expose the President to the risk?
Were their hands tied too?
WTF!
345 | tradewind Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:19:01pm |
re: #338 The Shadow Do
So you want to throw the majority of Congress into the slammer?
It'd never work... California is letting the criminals out. There's no room...
///
346 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:19:30pm |
re: #342 Mich-again
Sorry but its not your constitutional right to pretend to be Lee Harvey Asshole.
Clearly, you're being paid by the insurance companies. ///
347 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:19:40pm |
re: #51 Sharmuta
It's emotional and irrational. The gentleman in red did a much better job convincing me of his position than the first guy or the lady going off like a paulbot.
I can't figure why this earns down dings. Do the downdingers not agree that staying calm and halfway polite is preferable?
348 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:19:43pm |
re: #322 calcajun
Actually, what are NH's laws on firearms? Is it open carry or permitted concealed carry? If neither, then this guy probably broke a few laws--including a veiled threat against the POTUS.
Dumb.
From Wikipedia:
New Hampshire does not require a license for Open Carry, but carry in a motor vehicle or otherwise concealed does require a license. Note that the NH license is issued for carry of a "pistol or revolver," and is not a license to carry "weapons" as exists in some other states. The NH license is issued by the local police dept at a cost of $10 for residents, and by the NH State Police at a cost of $100 for non-residents. Turn around time is generally 1 – 2 weeks, with 14 days being the maximum time allowed by law.
350 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:19:58pm |
re: #335 Infidel
Re: 305,
Exactly, that's why he's not in jail. And again, he had valid points in the discussion. I'm not a "Paulian;" but, when someone makes an accurate statement on our rapidly declining liberty, he's right regardless of who he voted for.
He's a white nationalist and Ron Paul follower, who carried a loaded gun to a presidential appearance. He's not even in the same universe as "right."
351 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:18pm |
Matthews: "Where did we go wrong?"
Idiot: "Um...freeing the n***rs?"
352 | tradewind Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:22pm |
re: #343 jorline
Anna Wintour has spoken... white after Labor Day is perfectly fine.
Especially with all the warming going on.
Just saying.
353 | 3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:31pm |
re: #325 Dark_Falcon
Obama intends to kill private health care via a thousand cuts. He figures that the death will be be less noticeable that way.
Could be, but I'm really starting to worry about how Medicare ends up in all this. What are the truly elderly supposed to do if Medicare reimbursements are cut? I found a provision in there that cuts Medicare payments to hospitals for repeated readmissions. That concerns me.
My aunt went in and out of the hospital many times about 5 years before she passed away, then stabilized for a few years, and then suddenly died.
354 | Neutral President Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:33pm |
re: #334 victor_yugo
Uh, Black Panthers anyone?
Oh, and one of our own Monitor Lizards witnessed how much illegal polling activity by ACORN?
If any election in our living memory counts as "stolen," this is it.
Wow... just... wow. Is the sky blue on your planet too?
355 | NY Nana Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:39pm |
re: #282 Spare O'Lake
I am not a fan of guns. In the wrong hands? How many mad men have killed large numbers of people? If they were illegal? It would probably never happen. And people walking around with visible guns frighten the life out of me.
My 3 sons were not allowed even a water pistol when they were little. They solved that by using their wooden Playschool blocks. My daughter never even tried that. Now that they are adults, and 3 are parents? They are very pro gun control, and 1 son is a lawyer. My son in law and daughters in law all are, too.
How many schools, universities, work places, and last weeks' health club killings?
If a State does not have strict gun control laws, where each owner must pass all sorts of tests, including mental exams, they they should be held liable for any massacres. Way too many of them.
I will now duck under my computer table.
356 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:50pm |
Another interesting point to ponder.
The saying goes, "never let a good crisis go to waste". Now, there is a lot of fear and uncertainty in the public over this health care issue. One would think that the POTUS and his minions might try to do something to alleviate it. But, the impression is that they are pouring fuel on the fire. What are they hoping to gain by exploiting this tension? Of course, the hope is the GOP will spontaneously combust. But, there is the equal chance that the Dems will get burned as well.
Just wondering what the game is, that's all.
357 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:56pm |
re: #309 avanti
OK, maybe not arrested, but taken aside and briefed on the reality of the security situation. Perhaps arrest is what he was looking for.
I strongly suspect that happened.
But! Felony menacing is a real deal charge and should have been brought. Would he beat it since the threat was not explicit? Probably. Charge him anyway, message sent.
358 | rwmofo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:21:11pm |
re: #343 jorline
...and don't say "No, it's all that chocolate you've been eating" when she asks, "Does this outfit make my ass look fat?"
359 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:21:18pm |
re: #347 Silvergirl
I can't figure why this earns down dings. Do the downdingers not agree that staying calm and halfway polite is preferable?
I was wondering about that myself. The only thing I can conclude is the down dingers want to get their rage on. Anyone calling for moderation is a traitor.
360 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:21:34pm |
What's wrong with this picture?
"Sure, he may be a white nationalist, but you know, he made a great point there."
361 | Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:22:35pm |
re: #360 Charles
What's wrong with this picture?
"Sure, he may be a white nationalist, but you know, he made a great point there."
Do the trains still run on time if the clock is broken?
/
362 | Infidel Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:22:36pm |
Re: 317,
I'm not excusing this guy's behavior. I certainly would not have done what he did. I could make my disagreement to the Democrats' healthcare agenda clear without packing heat. I'm just observing that he made much sense in the interview and did not come across as a kook. He came across as someone passionate about his individual rights. That's all.
363 | tradewind Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:22:41pm |
re: #356 calcajun
Never thought I would ever say this, but actually Jon Stewart had the most sane take on it.
Not one senator or rep had anywhere near the same or for that matter, a coherent explanation of what was being contemplated.
It made a great remix.
364 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:22:46pm |
re: #350 Charles
Seriously, why is he not in jail?
365 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:22:52pm |
re: #348 victor_yugo
OK-- so he's not breaking the law with an open carry. But he's dumb for provoking a response here.
366 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:23:15pm |
"Sometimes, when people are mired in their position...it helps to point a gun at their heads."
367 | Ojoe Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:23:29pm |
re: #258 NelsFree
The "A" gas ticket got you 3 gallons per week.
We are way soft now compared to how we were then.
Rationing went on for some time after VJ day.
My mom and dad got rationing tickets for some of their wedding presents in 1948 so they could drive on their honeymoon.
Now, do we pull together? No, and we have a president who sets us one group against another.
368 | Gus Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:23:36pm |
re: #360 Charles
What's wrong with this picture?
"Sure, he may be a white nationalist, but you know, he made a great point there."
You know that will be by and large the result of this. William Kostric will be idolized by a certain segment and become the latest sacred cow and/or litmus test.
369 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:23:51pm |
re: #363 tradewind
It is truly amazing that the only sane person in the room is the Daily show.
370 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:24:18pm |
re: #366 Cato the Elder
"Sometimes, when people are mired in their position...it helps to point a gun at their heads."
But I'm not advocating violence! *wink*
371 | outsidephilly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:24:47pm |
re: #353 3 wood
Could be, but I'm really starting to worry about how Medicare ends up in all this. What are the truly elderly supposed to do if Medicare reimbursements are cut? I found a provision in there that cuts Medicare payments to hospitals for repeated readmissions. That concerns me.
My aunt went in and out of the hospital many times about 5 years before she passed away, then stabilized for a few years, and then suddenly died.
I think of the residents living in retirement communities...
The possible limitations placed on Medicare would surely put a those facilities in jeopardy...
372 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:24:56pm |
re: #368 Gus 802
You know that will be by and large the result of this. William Kostric will be idolized by a certain segment and become the latest sacred cow and/or litmus test.
Funny how white nationalists keep ending up as litmus tests for some folks, isn't it?
373 | Macker Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:05pm |
re: #360 Charles
What's wrong with this picture?
"Sure, he may be a white nationalist, but you know, he made a great point there."
It's that big BUT in this statement.
375 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:12pm |
re: #362 Infidel
Re: 317,
I'm not excusing this guy's behavior. I certainly would not have done what he did. I could make my disagreement to the Democrats' healthcare agenda clear without packing heat. I'm just observing that he made much sense in the interview and did not come across as a kook. He came across as someone passionate about his individual rights. That's all.
Hi everyone, I'm just tuning in.
I watched the video. He didn't make sense in the interview. He came off as a kook, who is passionate about his individual rights.
And by the way, I thought Chris Matthews came off as kind of a jerk too.
376 | Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:15pm |
re: #369 The 1SG
It is truly amazing that the only sane person in the room is the Daily show.
IIRC, rated as most trusted journalist in America by 43% of the public vs. 7% for Katy Couric.
377 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:27pm |
re: #330 calcajun
I don't know about that, but some pre-bacon just flew by my window.
Headed for the bunker. ballistic pig ejaculate on the fly?
Holy moly! We're in trouble now Batman!
378 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:32pm |
Reasons why you do not carry a guy into a meeting where the US President will be:
1. Ronald Reagan
2. Bobby Kennedy (He was campaigning)
3. John F. Kennedy
4. James A. Garfield
5. William McKinley
6. Abraham Lincoln
and
7. Common Sense
379 | tradewind Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:37pm |
re: #364 LudwigVanQuixote
Because of his expertise in global climate crisis management. He's just too valuable to rot in jail.
//
381 | Ojoe Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:26:31pm |
382 | rwmofo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:26:44pm |
Matthews failed because he wanted this guy to be a conservative Republican - not a Ron Paul-follower. A pre-interview could have eliminated him from appearing. Matthews clearly wanted to paint all Republicans as this guy.
383 | Infidel Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:26:45pm |
Re: 350,
I saw no indication that he was a "white nationalist" on the video. What is your source for this assertion? And does voting for Paul ipso facto make one his "follower?" Myself, I voted for McCain while holding my nose.
384 | Gus Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:27:21pm |
re: #372 Sharmuta
Funny how white nationalists keep ending up as litmus tests for some folks, isn't it?
Yeah, rather odd ain't it?
These are his meetup images that he uploaded. Notice the Republicans in the Absolut bottle.
Kostric is a full fledged Paulian and after reading some of his comments on his Myspace page I'm pretty sure he's also troofer.
385 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:27:22pm |
re: #355 NY Nana
So I appreciate your point of view. I am curious to know, what you would do if the 250lb two time violent felon broke into your home in the middle of dinner? Also what would you do if your next door neighbor pleaded for help whilst being molested or murdered on your door step with same said villain?
386 | EaterOfFood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:27:22pm |
re: #335 Infidel
Re: 305,
Exactly, that's why he's not in jail. And again, he had valid points in the discussion. I'm not a "Paulian;" but, when someone makes an accurate statement on our rapidly declining liberty, he's right regardless of who he voted for.
And Che Guevara's beret was cool. Who cares? This man threatened the life of the president. That sort of thing trumps anything he may have to say.
387 | Macker Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:27:35pm |
re: #383 Infidel
Re: 350,
I saw no indication that he was a "white nationalist" on the video. What is your source for this assertion? And does voting for Paul ipso facto make one his "follower?" Myself, I voted for McCain while holding my nose.
Even quite a lot of us Republicans did the same.
388 | Neutral President Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:27:36pm |
re: #373 Macker
It's that big BUT in this statement.
Standard kook/troll 'but'
I'm not a [insert kook type here]/don't believe [insert kook belief here], BUT...
Is the dead giveaway that they are full of shit and trying to give unwarranted legitimacy to whatever asinine thing they are about to say.
389 | tradewind Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:28:04pm |
re: #369 The 1SG
I know.
Should be required viewing, especially since there are a lot of people who could use a good laugh about now.
390 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:28:22pm |
re: #376 Pianobuff
IIRC, rated as most trusted journalist in America by 43% of the public vs. 7% for Katy Couric.
YIKES!!!
391 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:28:26pm |
re: #378 Emmmieg
And if you feel absolutely compelled to bring a firearm to an event where the president will be, it's probably best not to carry a sign implying that you think the president should be killed.
392 | SFGoth Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:28:50pm |
What is the difference between the Modwhigs and the Libertarian party?
393 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:29:04pm |
re: #360 Charles
Other than the iceberg thingy, it was a lovely voyage Captain Smith.
Other than that Mrs. Kennedy, how was Dallas?/
394 | Macker Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:29:20pm |
re: #388 ArchangelMichael
Anyone who uses the word "BUT" in a statement wants you to forget everything they said prior to that word; it isn't exclusive to Ronulans or the el cubos.
395 | karmic_inquisitor Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:29:54pm |
Hey - everyone who thinks "bring a gun to protest the president" is just another wholesome American activity, Lew Rockwell has posting space for you.
396 | Mich-again Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:30:04pm |
re: #382 rwmofo
Matthews clearly wanted to paint all Republicans as this guy.
Its the "He MUST be a Scotsman!" argument.
397 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:30:15pm |
re: #380 SFGoth
Must - bail - on - GOP
I think it's bailing on us. That cloud of dust you see is the lemming stampede toward the cliff.
398 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:30:33pm |
re: #389 tradewind
I know.
Should be required viewing, especially since there are a lot of people who could use a good laugh about now.
there is the key brothers and sisters, LAUGHTER. Not to make light of our rights but hey the politicians they gotta be foolish, its like in the contract right?
399 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:30:38pm |
400 | Mich-again Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:30:50pm |
re: #391 Last Mohican
And if you feel absolutely compelled to bring a firearm to an event where the president will be, it's probably best not to carry a sign implying that you think the president should be killed.
Your post says that you think Obama is a tyrant.
401 | albusteve Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:31:43pm |
woohoo!...it's finally over!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
402 | 3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:32:04pm |
re: #374 taxfreekiller
3- woodwe are attempting to help some congress critters figure who wrote this thing.
one language Prof. thinks it may have origins in Europe or France due to some of the way the words are used.
As you read see if you think its that or west coast atty talk
Or where...
Not sure at the moment, but I can tell you that no one person wrote this thing. It's cobbled together from other documents, repetitive pasting of previous phrases. And it is not designed to be read smoothly.
Reminds me of the old joke that a camel is a horse built by a committee.
Same result.
403 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:32:17pm |
405 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:32:40pm |
re: #77 avanti
Odd #65 was not me.
I was wondering why you were quoting #62 without making commentary of your own.
406 | karmic_inquisitor Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:32:47pm |
re: #391 Last Mohican
And if you feel absolutely compelled to bring a firearm to an event where the president will be, it's probably best not to carry a sign implying that you think the president should be killed.
And the ear piece. As in "let me maintain contact with the other guys" ear piece.
Nope - the Secret Service won't get itchy seeing that.
Why didn't the guy just bring a "grassy knoll" with him to prove his "right to bear grassy knolls" while he was at it?
407 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:32:56pm |
re: #401 albusteve
Wait, that was just the end of round one, DING!!
408 | timhinhou Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:34:07pm |
re: #400 Mich-again
I don't see that in the post but do believe that is what the gun-totting kook was implying.
409 | spidly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:34:08pm |
re: #360 Charles
What's wrong with this picture?
"Sure, he may be a white nationalist, but you know, he made a great point there."
Totally unrelated to this guy lets say:
Arafish had come out and said "That whole Mohammed al-Dura thing was BS cooked up by Palestinian agitators."
should I, as a matter of reaction to Arafish having been a complete POS, jumped on his views, or assessed them independently of his POS-ness?
Just commenting on the logic of your argument
411 | Macker Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:34:48pm |
re: #395 karmic_inquisitor
Why the frak would you link to that piece of shit!
412 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:35:13pm |
re: #360 Charles
What's wrong with this picture?
"Sure, he may be a white nationalist, but you know, he made a great point there."
If Charles Manson tells you that George W. Bush is a heterosexual, it counts for nothing, because after all, it's Charles Manson talking.
But that doesn't mean the statement itself is wrong.
413 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:35:24pm |
re: #409 spidly
Totally unrelated to this guy lets say:
Arafish had come out and said "That whole Mohammed al-Dura thing was BS cooked up by Palestinian agitators."should I, as a matter of reaction to Arafish having been a complete POS, jumped on his views, or assessed them independently of his POS-ness?
Just commenting on the logic of your argument
I wouldn't believe someone like this if they told me the sky was blue.
414 | zelnaga Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:35:37pm |
I'm not too familiar with Obama's health care proposal, but it was my understanding that it would basically be like a group insurance policy where the insurer isn't a private company but rather the government. If that's what it is, than I don't see that at all as being socialistic. Microsoft employees have a group insurance policy that operates completely independently of Google's group insurance policy. Google employees don't pay for Microsoft employees to have insurance and vice versa. In that same vein, a government-sponsored group insurance policy for the otherwise-non-insured shouldn't affect those who choose to use other insurance policies. Those insured by the government would have their costs distributed out to the others on that same plan who didn't take advantage of that plans benefits and as such, cheaper rates would follow.
Of course, that does raise the question... will Obama's insurance plan (if even that's what it's best understood as) utilize copayments? Insurance companies have them to "prevent moral hazards" (to quote from wikipedia.org's article on the subject) - to "prevent people from seeking medical care that may not be necessary".
On a similar note, does enrollment in Medicare and Medicaid mean you can't take advantage of the government health care plan being proposed right now or would you, instead, be enrolled in that and in Medicare / Medicaid simultaneously? Does Medicare / Medicaid even have copayments?
416 | tradewind Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:36:00pm |
re: #277 Cato the Elder
Meter and Cadence...
They're not just for mountain bikes.
417 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:36:11pm |
re: #406 karmic_inquisitor
And the ear piece. As in "let me maintain contact with the other guys" ear piece.
Nope - the Secret Service won't get itchy seeing that.
Why didn't the guy just bring a "grassy knoll" with him to prove his "right to bear grassy knolls" while he was at it?
Why wasn't the Secret Service guilty of dereliction of duty for not taking this guy's gun away until after the event?
418 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:36:32pm |
re: #402 3 wood
Reminds me of the old joke that a camel is a horse built by a committee.
A rhinoceros is a horse built to milspec.
419 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:36:58pm |
re: #416 tradewind
Meter and Cadence...
They're not just for mountain bikes.
You have a complaint? I think I'm within the limits. ;^)
420 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:37:06pm |
re: #412 victor_yugo
If Charles Manson tells you that George W. Bush is a heterosexual, it counts for nothing, because after all, it's Charles Manson talking.
But that doesn't mean the statement itself is wrong.
But when a white nationalist starts telling you about the Constitution, if you sit there and listen and nod your head you're an idiot.
421 | avanti Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:37:07pm |
The left is already digging the dirt on the Kostric guy, and he's got some baggage. ( Sorry for the Kos link)
422 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:37:34pm |
re: #409 spidly
Hey, stupid: Insulting Charles is not smart.
423 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:37:36pm |
re: #355 NY Nana
I am not a fan of guns. In the wrong hands? How many mad men have killed large numbers of people? If they were illegal? It would probably never happen. And people walking around with visible guns frighten the life out of me.
My 3 sons were not allowed even a water pistol when they were little. They solved that by using their wooden Playschool blocks. My daughter never even tried that. Now that they are adults, and 3 are parents? They are very pro gun control, and 1 son is a lawyer. My son in law and daughters in law all are, too.
How many schools, universities, work places, and last weeks' health club killings?
If a State does not have strict gun control laws, where each owner must pass all sorts of tests, including mental exams, they they should be held liable for any massacres. Way too many of them.
I will now duck under my computer table.
Nana, there is no need to duck. I think we all understand the revulsion to mindless violence. But you do need to ask yourself just who those people were who perpetrated the massacres. They were, as you say, monsters. The corrollary is that they had no concern about breaking gun laws. They no doubt knew their killer fantasy was likely unchecked.
Many of these horrendous mass killings could have been cut short by one person with a concealed carry permit.
424 | 3 wood Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:37:38pm |
A sharp drop in U.S. stock market trading volume could signal a looming test of the year's lows or merely illustrate investor inactivity in a summer month, just ahead of the Federal Reserve's policy announcement Wednesday.The diminished trade had overall volume on the New York Stock Exchange on Monday falling to just under 1.1 billion, down 25% from its three-week moving average.
"The overall volume yesterday was the lowest for the year. I would attribute it to it being a Monday and August after earnings season, which tends to lend itself to lackluster volume in the first place, so I would be less inclined to use yesterday's volume as a tea leaf one way or the other," said Art Hogan, chief market strategist, Jefferies & Co.
425 | Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:38:02pm |
re: #412 victor_yugo
If Charles Manson tells you that George W. Bush is a heterosexual, it counts for nothing, because after all, it's Charles Manson talking.
But that doesn't mean the statement itself is wrong.
How does Manson know about Bush's sex life in the first place?
/JK
426 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:38:06pm |
re: #420 Charles
But if a white nationalist starts telling you about the Constitution, if you sit there and listen and nod your head you're an idiot.
Nod your head, keep a carefully neutral expression, and leave as soon a possible. (I usually have children with me.)
428 | Vicious Babushka Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:38:19pm |
re: #409 spidly
Totally unrelated to this guy lets say:
Arafish had come out and said "That whole Mohammed al-Dura thing was BS cooked up by Palestinian agitators."should I, as a matter of reaction to Arafish having been a complete POS, jumped on his views, or assessed them independently of his POS-ness?
Just commenting on the logic of your argument
I'd think it was just weird that a dead guy could talk.
429 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:38:57pm |
re: #420 Charles
Well, shouldn't we be saying "any" nationalist starts talking about the Constitution and we should be reaching for the exit.
430 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:39:05pm |
re: #420 Charles
But if a white nationalist starts telling you about the Constitution, if you sit there and listen and nod your head you're an idiot.
I'm only nodding my head to amuse him (and myself). Behind his back, I'm laughing and telling people stories about him.
I'll find out about the Constitution by reading the Constitution. That's why I have it bookmarked.
431 | John Neverbend Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:39:13pm |
re: #394 Macker
Anyone who uses the word "BUT" in a statement wants you to forget everything they said prior to that word; it isn't exclusive to Ronulans or the el cubos.
Hence, the But Monkey.
432 | doppelganglander Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:39:31pm |
re: #401 albusteve
woohoo!...it's finally over!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Sure it is.
Obama said last week that the "worst may be behind us," and the Labor Department on Tuesday seemed to bolster that notion, reporting that productivity surged in the spring by the largest amount in almost six years while labor costs plunged at the fastest pace in nine years.Productivity is a key ingredient for rising living standards because it means that companies can pay their workers more with the wage increases financed by rising output.
If labor costs plunged, companies obviously are not paying their workers more. Who is going to buy all that rising output? Certainly not the underpaid workers, or the 16% of workers who are unemployed, underemployed, or discouraged and not even looking anymore. Seriously, am I missing something here?
433 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:39:56pm |
re: #421 avanti
The left is already digging the dirt on the Kostric guy, and he's got some baggage. ( Sorry for the Kos link)
Hmm. Another guy somehow affected with the German/Bunyanite mania for capitalizing Nouns.
Add that to the list, along with bad web design, of openthroated lunacy.
434 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:40:12pm |
re: #425 Pianobuff
How does Manson know about Bush's sex life in the first place?
/JK
"Celibacy is hereditary. If your parents didn't have sex, chances are neither will you."
435 | Gus Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:40:16pm |
William Kostric's Youtube Channel
Not much to see other than some of his favorites:
THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS A FRAUD - NOT
Wake Up Call - New World Order
War...Debt...Greed... and some oompa Loompas
American Drug War: The Last White Hope
The Militarization of Our Police
Is your Presidental Candidate an Anti-American NWO Supporter
And of course a lot of Ron Paul videos.
436 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:40:40pm |
re: #427 taxfreekiller
Ah, gotcha (must be the lack of meds from the VA...ha ha ha).
437 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:40:47pm |
I have no interest in parsing out what this moron said to Chris Matthews.
The minute he showed up at a presidential appearance with a loaded gun and a threatening sign, he lost any claim to my attention or my sympathy.
438 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:40:58pm |
re: #421 avanti
The left is already digging the dirt on the Kostric guy, and he's got some baggage. ( Sorry for the Kos link)
I'm cringing in advance, waiting for the first Republican politician who comes out and says "Kostric was right."
439 | quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:41:18pm |
re: #424 3 wood
To your point about Medicare, Wood, the estimated unfunded liability now stands at $38 trillion. The Democrats must address this. Dragging the entire nation, kicking and screaming, into the funding "solution" is how they propose to do it. And of course they must cut Medicare benefits big-time.
Their proposal to nationalize the entire system is political cover for this dirty, and rather large, secret.
440 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:41:21pm |
re: #382 rwmofo
Matthews failed because he wanted this guy to be a conservative Republican - not a Ron Paul-follower. A pre-interview could have eliminated him from appearing. Matthews clearly wanted to paint all Republicans as this guy.
Ron Paul is a Republican. Embrace the suck!
441 | swamprat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:41:26pm |
re: #428 Alouette
I'd think it was just weird that a dead guy could talk.
They vote in Chicago. And that just shows you how effective those Chicago community organizers can be!
442 | jaunte Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:41:28pm |
re: #421 avanti
The left is already digging the dirt on the Kostric guy, and he's got some baggage. ( Sorry for the Kos link)
Well that comment at reason.com sounds like he's eager for trouble.
William Kostric %P% April 17, 2008, 11:52pm %P% #
It looks the cops ran into the first amendment while violating the fourth. That's the way it's supposed to work.If people can't wake up and see why it's immoral to trespass and destroy someones property, kidnap and lock them in a cage for growing a plant in their backyard then perhaps a body count is what's required for change.
I personally feel zero sympathy for those cops. I reserve my sympathy for the victims of the nonsense they initiate.
[Link: www.reason.com...]
443 | NY Nana Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:41:38pm |
re: #385 The 1SG
As we are in an apartment building in a in a NY city commuter area, in the 'burbs, that is locked, and you must be buzzed in, after we get a buzz and ask who it is, on the intercom, and refuse to buzz anyone in that is not someone we know? And we can see the UPS delivery truck, etc.? And even though we are on the first floor, it is elevated, and the balcony is too high to climb over even if you are 8 feet tall? And we have garden boxes on the balcony? Not afraid.
And there has been 1 murder here in the 37 years we live in this building...in a garden apartment blocks away.
I just checked on Google to be sure.
444 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:41:42pm |
"I must bring my gun to an national town hall meeting because someone might try to kill the president."
445 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:42:44pm |
re: #444 Cato the Elder
"I must bring my gun to an national town hall meeting because someone might try to kill the president."
Because, you know, the USSS aren't one of the most professional, best trained organizations in America.
///---> to infinity
446 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:08pm |
re: #435 Gus 802
William Kostric's Youtube Channel
Not much to see other than some of his favorites:
And of course a lot of Ron Paul videos.
You didn't enjoy the video of the women brandishing firearms?
447 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:14pm |
re: #421 avanti
The left is already digging the dirt on the Kostric guy, and he's got some baggage. ( Sorry for the Kos link)
William Kostric %P% April 17, 2008, 11:52pm %P% #
It looks the cops ran into the first amendment while violating the fourth. That's the way it's supposed to work.If people can't wake up and see why it's immoral to trespass and destroy someones property, kidnap and lock them in a cage for growing a plant in their backyard then perhaps a body count is what's required for change.
I personally feel zero sympathy for those cops. I reserve my sympathy for the victims of the nonsense they initiate.
Seems some people really do want escalation.
449 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:22pm |
Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere.
450 | quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:22pm |
re: #444 Cato the Elder
Don't do it, Cato! The Secret Service might arrest you! Worse, they might ask you a question about health care policy! ;-)
451 | Gus Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:51pm |
re: #446 Last Mohican
You didn't enjoy the video of the women brandishing firearms?
Yeah, that was about the only normal thing he had up there.
453 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:44:05pm |
re: #402 3 wood
Not sure at the moment, but I can tell you that no one person wrote this thing. It's cobbled together from other documents, repetitive pasting of previous phrases. And it is not designed to be read smoothly.
Reminds me of the old joke that a camel is a horse built by a committee.
Same result.
An awkward looking beast with a really nasty disposition?
454 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:45:44pm |
re: #328 Coracle
Four legs good, two legs... well, you know the rest.
455 | quickjustice Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:45:54pm |
re: #453 The Shadow Do
On the other hand, the Declaration of Independence was written by a committee as well. Different committee.
456 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:46:29pm |
re: #455 quickjustice
On the other hand, the Declaration of Independence was written by a committee as well. Different committee.
When your committee consists of three geniuses, you will do just fine.
457 | Infidel Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:46:32pm |
Re: 399,
I read nothing at the link you provided that demonstrates that the individual in the video is a racist. If I'm missing the smoking gun, please point it out to me. Accusing someone of being a "white nationalist" should require concrete evidence about the particular individual.
458 | yesandno Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:47:09pm |
Who would have thought that it would be so difficult for an average citizen to at least be heard?
They could at least put in an effort to "appear" to listen to the other side. This is what has people even more angry then the health care fiasco...the talking down your nose to your own constituents. There must be something in the water in DC because some really good men and women turn into stone when they get there.
No one in Congress has read the whole thing or they could explain it...and apparently they cannot. If it is that important, then time to get it right is important as well.
We don't want to fix healthcare--we already have great healthcare. What we want is to help people get access to healthcare if they want it (and some don't).
Tort reform could go a long way in lowering health care costs.
459 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:47:13pm |
What, no one but SFZ liked my limerick at #143?
I'm going home in a HuffPo.
And my little dog, too.
460 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:47:31pm |
re: #443 NY Nana
Cool, so What would you do?
Just to help out; lets say a live-in boy or girlfriend is allowing said meanie to reside behind your wall and now its on your front stoop.
I understand you don't want to answer the questions but this is why some people become sheep and are slaughtered behind their illusion of protection and others are sheep dogs and try (albeit desperately) to defend them with the tools that the sheep keep trying to steal (aka right to carry).
So I ask politely what would you do with said beastie at your door?
461 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:48:02pm |
re: #446 Last Mohican
You didn't enjoy the video of the women brandishing firearms?
Ghaddafi's bodyguards.
Yum.
462 | Mich-again Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:48:19pm |
re: #403 Last MohicanYou wrote this...
it's probably best not to carry a sign implying that you think the president should be killed.
Just carrying the gun and hanging out along the Presidential route should imply enough to get someone arrested. As for the sign, it features a 200 year old quote from a Founding Father and President. That was the least of his offenses in my opinion.
463 | Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:48:19pm |
re: #449 Charles
Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere.
I'd suspect that every move of his will be known for quite a while. What probably never occurred to this guy (among many many other things), is that his whole beef regarding taxes, etc. is going to actually have the opposite effect as he sucks up some amount of our tax dollars monitoring his ass all over the country.
Bet he never thought of that, though, the asshat.
464 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:48:25pm |
re: #378 Emmmieg
Reasons why you do not carry a guy into a meeting where the US President will be:
1. Ronald Reagan
2. Bobby Kennedy (He was campaigning)
3. John F. Kennedy
4. James A. Garfield
5. William McKinley
6. Abraham Lincolnand
7. Common Sense
465 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:49:03pm |
re: #464 Slumbering Behemoth
And here I thought you were going to link to Thomas Paine...
Good pic, though...
466 | timhinhou Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:49:05pm |
re: #449 Charles
This along with the Black Panther intimidation last November will only embolden others (from both sides) to take it to the next level. Very dangerous path we are heading down when these incidents are allowed to occur.
467 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:49:24pm |
re: #457 Infidel
Re: 399,
I read nothing at the link you provided that demonstrates that the individual in the video is a racist. If I'm missing the smoking gun, please point it out to me. Accusing someone of being a "white nationalist" should require concrete evidence about the particular individual.
His MySpace page lists white supremacist Randy Weaver as a "hero:"
[Link: www.myspace.com...]
468 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:49:29pm |
469 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:49:56pm |
re: #449 Charles
Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere.
Actually, Charles, I have to disagree. Under NH law, he was within his rights. States' rights, and all that. He didn't get away with anything - he's just dumber than dirt. And his carry was open.
471 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:50:02pm |
re: #449 Charles
Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere.
I'm currently reading Ronald Kessler's book about the Secret Service. Apparently one of the things that the agents do is make periodic friendly visits to the homes of kooks like this. They chat about stuff, how life is going, how many guns they have, how many voices they're hearing in their heads, etc. Sometimes these friendly visits go on for years.
Those are some patient people, those Secret Service agents.
472 | Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:50:16pm |
re: #457 Infidel
Accusing someone of being a "white nationalist" should require concrete evidence about the particular individual.
Here's his facebook page. He lists White Nationalist Randy Weaver as one of his heroes. There's only one reason to have him on that list.
473 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:50:23pm |
re: #443 NY Nana
As we are in an apartment building in a in a NY city commuter area, in the 'burbs, that is locked, and you must be buzzed in, after we get a buzz and ask who it is, on the intercom, and refuse to buzz anyone in that is not someone we know? And we can see the UPS delivery truck, etc.? And even though we are on the first floor, it is elevated, and the balcony is too high to climb over even if you are 8 feet tall? And we have garden boxes on the balcony? Not afraid.
And there has been 1 murder here in the 37 years we live in this building...in a garden apartment blocks away.
I just checked on Google to be sure.
Most of us don't live in a fort. The doorman at my house is a SW357 mag.
474 | Mich-again Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:50:40pm |
re: #466 timhinhou
...will only embolden others (from both sides) to take it to the next level.
Extemism breeds extremism.
475 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:50:57pm |
Anybody want a nice warm cookie? The Princess just got home soaking wet from band camp (she decided to do flags), and popped some in the oven. I'll bet she'd share.
(I slaved over those. I lifted the heavy box from the freezer at Costco, pushed it through the store, and then lifted it into my freezer.)
476 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:51:31pm |
Thank you Charles and all of you for a fascinating discussion concerning the interplay between the right to bear arms and freedom of expression on the one hand, and the need to protect the POTUS from risk of assassination on the other hand.
Good night folks and God (if there is one) help the President.
477 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:51:32pm |
re: #467 Charles
His MySpace page lists white supremacist Randy weaver as a "hero:"
[Link: www.myspace.com...]
"Hey, just because he's my hero, doesn't mean I agree with everything he says!"
/s
478 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:51:41pm |
re: #466 timhinhou
I can't find the link yet but Obama's group quietly dropped the charges of election intimidation. I don't know if it was in the interest of justices for other undisclosed reason but very suspicious by itself.
479 | tradewind Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:51:41pm |
re: #419 Cato the Elder
Hell's bells, not a complaint, Cato. It's just that you're usually such a picky perfectionista when it comes to posts that I didn't think you'd ever slip an odd syllable into even a single limerick, not to mention two in one night.
:)
480 | CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:52:19pm |
re: #362 Infidel
But that was not all.
Did you miss the part about evading the 'birther' question. It took CM several direct questions to nail him down on that one and it damn sure didn't look like he told the truth when he finally answered.
He wasn't packing heat to make a point about health care legislation. He was emphasizing the point he was trying to make with that sign, the sign that unmistakably referred to the 'blood of tyrants.' I wonder who he thinks the tyrant is? (That was rhetorical, it's pretty damn obvious who he thinks that is.)
481 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:52:24pm |
re: #449 Charles
Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere.
I don't know that they can nail him, but he certainly should be charged. To not do so is remiss and invites more of the same.
482 | wee fury Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:52:28pm |
The thing is . . . why are children at town meetings in the first place? They should be playing, having fun -- and just being kids.
483 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:52:51pm |
re: #470 taxfreekiller
Stick to the issue at hand, tfk. We all know JfnK is a lousy polecat, but right now we need to do some policing of our own ranks. Any ideas on how to keep the nuts out our events?
484 | Mich-again Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:52:58pm |
re: #471 Last Mohican
Is that the book where LBJ's penchant for hanging out nude is mentioned? I think the local morning show radio guys were talking about that book the other day. Ha.
485 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:54:06pm |
re: #473 The Shadow Do
At least there is a sheep dog at the door.
486 | itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:54:24pm |
re: #418 victor_yugo
A rhinoceros is a horse built to milspec.
I like it!
And a unicorn is a horse designed by creationists?
And a guinea pig is a horse designed by environmentalists?
487 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:54:46pm |
re: #455 quickjustice
On the other hand, the Declaration of Independence was written by a committee as well. Different committee.
with a different agenda, for sure
488 | yesandno Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:54:48pm |
re: #449 Charles
Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere.
Worse yet, there will be others...
Too bad his brother wasn't an only child.
489 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:54:48pm |
re: #484 Mich-again
Is that the book where LBJ's penchant for hanging out nude is mentioned? I think the local morning show radio guys were talking about that book the other day. Ha.
Yes, that's the one.
There's lots of stuff like that. Things I'm not really sure I needed to know about. Spiro Agnew's sexual escapades, for example.
490 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:55:05pm |
re: #472 Killgore Trout
Here's his facebook page. He lists White Nationalist Randy Weaver as one of his heroes. There's only one reason to have him on that list.
Concur. Only a racist would have Randy Weaver as a 'hero'. There is nothing else notable about Weaver other than his craziness.
491 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:55:15pm |
re: #413 Charles
I wouldn't believe someone like this if they told me the sky was blue.
I think that the biggest danger of people like this is that they mix just enough truth in with their crazy to make the crazy sound reasonable. It now seems obvious to me after watching this video that he got exactly what he was looking for by this provocative act - air time, to sound cogent to those who are susceptible to his - ohh so reasonable tone and declarations of love for our liberty.
And Fox gave it to him in a place where, Chris Matthews chews him out (for the honor of the fleet) while saying the obligatory, no I get that about the Second Amendment and making the guy seem like less than a total looser.
It is all very well choreographed crazy that makes crazy seem just a little more palatable.
And BTW, the fact that this fellow is not in prison after what he did is the strongest argument against public carry laws I have ever seen.
Honestly, does anyone feel safer in this society knowing that that guy is free to walk around with a loaded weapon - and thinks it is just ducky to take it to a rally that the president will be at with a revolutionary sign?
493 | Pianobuff Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:55:19pm |
re: #484 Mich-again
Is that the book where LBJ's penchant for hanging out nude is mentioned? I think the local morning show radio guys were talking about that book the other day. Ha.
Was that a rumor? I wonder if it's somehow related to the other rumor about LBJ.
494 | Infidel Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:55:41pm |
Re: 449
"Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere."
So, people should "be in jail" even if they haven't broken any laws? Since Kostric didn't break any laws, what, exactly, did he get away with? He did not threatened the president. Quoting Thomas Jefferson while engaging in otherwise lawful behavior is not a threat nor a crime. I also won't be surprised if he continues to carry a firearm as allowed by his state's law.
495 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:55:52pm |
496 | zelnaga Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:56:06pm |
re: #467 Charles
His MySpace page lists white supremacist Randy Weaver as a "hero:"
[Link: www.myspace.com...]
Based on his myspace.com username, I guess he's a fan of The Usual Suspects...
497 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:56:19pm |
re: #476 Spare O'Lake
Thank you Charles and all of you for a fascinating discussion concerning the interplay between the right to bear arms and freedom of expression on the one hand, and the need to protect the POTUS from risk of assassination on the other hand.
Good night folks and God (if there is one) help the President.
Above his pay grade.
/
498 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:56:19pm |
re: #486 itellu3times
I like it!
And a unicorn is a horse designed by creationists?
And a guinea pig is a horse designed by environmentalists?
No, a unicorn is a horse designed by Obama that also farts rainbows.
/
500 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:56:43pm |
I am not a fan of guns. In the wrong hands? How many mad men have killed large numbers of people? If they were illegal? It would probably never happen. And people walking around with visible guns frighten the life out of me.
My 3 sons were not allowed even a water pistol when they were little. They solved that by using their wooden Playschool blocks. My daughter never even tried that. Now that they are adults, and 3 are parents? They are very pro gun control, and 1 son is a lawyer. My son in law and daughters in law all are, too.
How many schools, universities, work places, and last weeks' health club killings?
If a State does not have strict gun control laws, where each owner must pass all sorts of tests, including mental exams, they they should be held liable for any massacres. Way too many of them.
I will now duck under my computer table.
No ducking required.
I happen to believe my right to defend my life outweighs anyone elses fear or concerns about firearms. I wish people were more responsible, including many lawful gun owners. Part of my business includes teaching concealed carry classes. My husband has bumped people out of the class for exhibiting a "if you step one foot on my property, I'll kill you" mentality. We have zero tolerance for anyone who un-holsters a weapon unless their life is in imminent danger. We spend hours drilling shoot-don't shoot scenarios into our students heads. I accept that I can't change everyone's mentality but I can control who has a course completion certificate with our name on it.
As for open carry? Personally, I think it's stupid and I don't like it. For some people living in more restrictive states, it's their only legal option. I go to great lengths to prevent advertising my carry status when I'm in public. The last thing I want is a 'bad guy" taking a shot at me to get me the heck out of the way or worse.. disarming me. There is also the public perception part. It may be my legal right but it's going to alienate many people around me. I have no desire to stand out in the crowd, I'd rather not be noticed.
Making firearms illegal isn't going to take guns out of the hands of criminals, its going to make criminals out of people who refuse to disarm. Great Britain has extremely restrictive laws yet the criminals still have guns and those who do not have taken to carrying knives and clubs. Thugs, gangbangers and violent criminals have never been deterred by making weapons illegal.
502 | jaunte Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:57:50pm |
Kostric reminds me a little of the character Otto, in A Fish Called Wanda.
He would be an absurd Mittyesque philosopher-revolutionary,
if he weren't actually an armed psycho.
503 | CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:58:17pm |
re: #391 Last Mohican
And if you feel absolutely compelled to bring a firearm to an event where the president will be, it's probably best not to carry a sign implying that you think the president should be killed.
Ya' think?
/That's like asking for a ticket to the 'pound me in the ass' kind of prison.
504 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:58:33pm |
re: #496 zelnaga
Based on his myspace.com username, I guess he's a fan of The Usual Suspects...
He doesn't have Soze's brains, that's for sure. He's also the prisoner of his emotions, which Soze is not.
505 | timhinhou Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:58:40pm |
re: #478 The 1SG
I know the charges were dropped against the Panthers, which is why I believe this type of intimidation will occur again, probably in other parts of the country too. Those thugs should have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law, as should Kostric. This type of behavior should not be tolerated!
508 | NY Nana Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:59:28pm |
re: #423 The Shadow Do
You have no idea how many killings by gun that go on in the 5 Boroughs of NYC.
It is frightful, and most are with illegal guns. Yes, the Police must have them, but we are also seeing them shot with the illegal guns. Booberg is a really lousy mayor, another beaut, like Arlen Spector, who changes parties like socks.
Sadly people can buy guns online. It should not be allowed.
Citizens should not be afraid to go out after dark...but as long as illegal guns are being bought? It will only get worse.
509 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:59:55pm |
re: #506 taxfreekiller
Isn't she languishing in an Israel jail cell still?
510 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:00:13pm |
, One Vote. Here: #219 Gella
correction on one, you can actually wear white after Labor day
White shoes. You can't wear white shoes after Labor Day. Except sneakers.
511 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:00:28pm |
re: #459 Cato the Elder
What, no one but SFZ liked my limerick at #143?
I'm going home in a HuffPo.
And my little dog, too.
Karma gigolo.
512 | funky chicken Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:00:49pm |
Orac over at scienceblogs tears Luap Nor a new one here
The guy really yearns for a return to the days before Roosevelt...Teddy Roosevelt, that is. He would have opposed TR at every turn, from the Panama Canal to the founding of the FDA. Good grief...
513 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:00:58pm |
re: #508 NY Nana
Oh, glad to see you there. So what would you do? Reference my previous questions.
514 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:01:00pm |
re: #491 LudwigVanQuixote
I think that the biggest danger of people like this is that they mix just enough truth in with their crazy to make the crazy sound reasonable. It now seems obvious to me after watching this video that he got exactly what he was looking for by this provocative act - air time, to sound cogent to those who are susceptible to his - ohh so reasonable tone and declarations of love for our liberty.
Absolutely.
515 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:01:13pm |
re: #503 CyanSnowHawk
Ya' think?
/That's like asking for a ticket to the 'pound me in the ass' kind of prison.
It surely is. I'm sure he never actually would have gotten a chance to shoot at the president, though. Anyone who does would have to have gone through a magnetometer.
And therefore, even though he's walking around with a gun and a threatening sign, the USSS has to leave him be. This sort of thing does give me added respect for the job that they do.
516 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:01:27pm |
re: #506 taxfreekiller
Good thing Cynthia McKinney is not bat shit crazy.
Too bad tu quoque schoolyard taunts max out your rhetorical armory.
517 | spidly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:01:38pm |
re: #490 Dark_Falcon
Concur. Only a racist would have Randy Weaver as a 'hero'. There is nothing else notable about Weaver other than his craziness.
maybe because he's batshit crazy?
did you read the lyrics to the Ron Paul 2008 song?
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518 | tradewind Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:02:13pm |
Obama and his vision of America certainly do seem to be bringing out teh crazies.
May they stay far far away from him and any other elected officials.
The last thing the country needs is for an incident to provide an excuse for a takeover of legitimately registered personal firearms... the takeover of health care is bad enough.
520 | SFGoth Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:03:04pm |
re: #404 taxfreekiller
John F. Kerry, a liar, a fraud, person of self lied awards and citations in a Combat Zone, who attended a meeting where a vote was taking to use
GUNS to kill sitting U.S. Senators and Congressmen, has a fake CIA had, never ever crossed in to Cambodia any Christmas ever, who now possess two DD-214's and odd Discharges, together with aiding the North Viet's and VC while still in the U.S. Navy Reserve,,,who later revived millions and millions of Democrat Party votes.
Please inhale before posting.
522 | itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:03:34pm |
re: #494 Infidel
Re: 449
"Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere."
So, people should "be in jail" even if they haven't broken any laws? Since Kostric didn't break any laws, what, exactly, did he get away with? He did not threatened the president. Quoting Thomas Jefferson while engaging in otherwise lawful behavior is not a threat nor a crime. I also won't be surprised if he continues to carry a firearm as allowed by his state's law.
Say you have a neighbor in a typical suburban neighborhood who likes to strap on a pistol and patrol his property line. Maybe it's legal, but it's also nuts. Is jail the fix? No, what's a fix, is him not parading around with a gun.
523 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:03:38pm |
524 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:03:53pm |
re: #515 Last Mohican
I suppose the USSS probably assigned a special unit to "observe" him from a post that was both concealed and offered a, top down view of the situation with instant access or denial capability.
525 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:04:15pm |
526 | SFGoth Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:04:26pm |
re: #413 Charles
I wouldn't believe someone like this if they told me the sky was blue.
It's not - that's just blue, having the shortest wavelength, bouncing around the atmosphere.
528 | Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:04:55pm |
re: #378 Emmmieg
Reasons why you do not carry a guy into a meeting where the US President will be:
...
I thought it it was because most guys were too heavy to carry easily.
529 | timhinhou Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:04:59pm |
re: #494 Infidel
Re: 449
So, people should "be in jail" even if they haven't broken any laws? Since Kostric didn't break any laws, what, exactly, did he get away with? He did not threatened the president. Quoting Thomas Jefferson while engaging in otherwise lawful behavior is not a threat nor a crime. I also won't be surprised if he continues to carry a firearm as allowed by his state's law.
Did not threaten the President? Take Jefferson's entire quote and tell me how that should not be perceived as a threat to the President.
530 | outsidephilly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:05:02pm |
531 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:05:17pm |
re: #316 Wendya
For the sake of argument, what do you do when a kook is asked to leave and refuses? Do you call off your event and go home?
If you have a permit for an event, you are well within your rights to have them removed by security or law enforcement.
533 | Infidel Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:06:45pm |
Sigh,
Kostric also lists John Galt as a hero. Does that make him an Objectivist? He cites William Wallace as a hero. Does that make him a Catholic, Scottish separatist? I abhor Weaver's white separatist views. But if you bother to investigate the government's murder of his wife and son, then you would understand that there are other reasons why a libertarian would identify with him.
If listing Weaver as a hero makes Kostric a White Nationalist, then Obama is 1000 times worse for sitting in Wright's church for twenty years. I regret to inform you that President Obama is a Black Nationalist.
534 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:07:28pm |
re: #527 taxfreekiller
I will as well,
although I will admit with much less eloquence and a few comments from the door about your being under the bed. So just keep the coffee hot and the bandages dry. Oh, and keep .40 and .223 handy in easy to use containers please.
535 | CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:08:02pm |
re: #438 Last Mohican
I'm cringing in advance, waiting for the first Republican politician who comes out and says "Kostric was right."
I think even Ron Paul is going to leave that one alone.
536 | NY Nana Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:08:37pm |
re: #460 The 1SG
No one gets in here, and most of the apartment are now co-ops. The Board is very strict. No one can live in any apartment unless they are married, etc., or have a partner, etc., who must be vetted by the board.
And again, there has been one murder in our village, in a garden apartment that has no security, in the 37 years we have lived here.
My daughter, her almost-3 year old, and son in law live in Brooklyn...and are hoping to move to the 'burbs, and my youngest is in the Borough of Queens, and he lets us know that he is home when he works late.
537 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:08:48pm |
re: #528 Coracle
I thought it it was because most guys were too heavy to carry easily.
I will give my typing fingers a time out.
539 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:09:19pm |
Stealth down-dinger, blueherron, is at it again.
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540 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:09:54pm |
re: #494 Infidel
He did not quote Thomas Jefferson, he was sporting a loaded gun and a sign which read "It's time to water the tree of liberty", while on the roadway leading to where the POTUS was to appear.
Anyone familiar with the TJ quote who denies his sign is at the very least an implied threat is either dense or lying. Add a loaded gun, and the proximity (road route) to the POTUS, and the denial sounds like an even dumber and/or larger lie.
541 | pampink Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:10:20pm |
Charles---You are showing your bias on this subject. There are plenty of YouTube videos showing normal, everyday people who make civil (albeit passionate) statements opposing Obamacare, but you choose to pick one with a real far righter and one who is angry and almost incoherent. You need to get over your bias and do your homework.
542 | Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:11:11pm |
"Lemme tell you something pendejo, you flash your piece out to the President, the Secret Service gonna take it away from you, stick it up your ass, and pull the trigger till it goes ka-lick..."
/Jesus, dude.
543 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:11:23pm |
re: #539 jorline
Stealth down-dinger, blueherron, is at it again.
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Agreed. Blueherron, either post make yourself known or fuck off. Stealth dingers are obnoxious.
544 | Neutral President Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:11:25pm |
re: #541 pampink
Way to miss the point there champ.
545 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:11:42pm |
re: #449 Charles
Only where there is an open carry law. Otherwise...
What he did was stupid and thoughtless--but not illegal (unless the local US Attorney or DA thinks his placard amounted to a threat on the POTUS)
547 | funky chicken Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:03pm |
Carrying a weapon to a presentation by the president, according to the Paulian? "free speech"
Advertising bogus cancer "cures," according to Paul and his Paulians? "free speech"
Here's a little taste of the Orac blog, but you really should read it all:
No, that's not what happened. What happened was that the FDA finally grew a pair and did what it was designed to do and brought the hammer down on a bunch of cancer quacks. It was a long overdue action taken against the manufacturers of bogus cancer cures, 125 products made by the 23 companies, including the pure quackery that it the black salve. All of that is just a warmup for Mike Adams' minion to get to the point:
As lunatic as all of this sounds, this type of behavior has become normal operating procedure at the FDA and FTC whose unrestrained power continues to escalate into increasingly tyrannical control over free speech. As such, Rep. Paul's three bills aim to end the illegitimate censorship of free speech and restore constitutional freedom of speech in natural health. Below are their summaries and information about how to support them.
Ah, yes. Conflating false advertising claims with "free speech." Where have we seen this before? Oh, yes! In the "health freedom" movement.
548 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:06pm |
re: #541 pampink
Did you not watch the Specter video? A rational, reasonable opponent to this plan spoke. So your notion that a video showing such a person wasn't posted is false.
550 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:13pm |
re: #443 NY Nana
As we are in an apartment building in a in a NY city commuter area, in the 'burbs, that is locked, and you must be buzzed in, after we get a buzz and ask who it is, on the intercom, and refuse to buzz anyone in that is not someone we know? And we can see the UPS delivery truck, etc.? And even though we are on the first floor, it is elevated, and the balcony is too high to climb over even if you are 8 feet tall? And we have garden boxes on the balcony? Not afraid.
And there has been 1 murder here in the 37 years we live in this building...in a garden apartment blocks away.
I just checked on Google to be sure.
Personally, I have a softball bat of my MIL's. If you feel any need to add to your security, may I recommend one?
551 | spidly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:22pm |
re: #529 timhinhou
Did not threaten the President? Take Jefferson's entire quote and tell me how that should not be perceived as a threat to the President.
you take that quote, and "A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!" — Thomas Jefferson
and I'm picturing Jefferson doing the Blazing Saddles routine with a gun to his own head.
552 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:27pm |
re: #480 CyanSnowHawk
But that was not all.
Did you miss the part about evading the 'birther' question. It took CM several direct questions to nail him down on that one and it damn sure didn't look like he told the truth when he finally answered.
He wasn't packing heat to make a point about health care legislation. He was emphasizing the point he was trying to make with that sign, the sign that unmistakably referred to the 'blood of tyrants.' I wonder who he thinks the tyrant is? (That was rhetorical, it's pretty damn obvious who he thinks that is.)
That was a very bad idea. The gun and sign combo. It is Time to Water the Tree of Liberty? Plus he knew the actual quote. Combine a gun with a sign promoting watering Liberty with the blood of tyrants and go to a meeting where the POTUS is speaking?
553 | swamprat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:41pm |
555 | legalpad Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:13:01pm |
re: #541 pampink
Charles---You are showing your bias on this subject. There are plenty of YouTube videos showing normal, everyday people who make civil (albeit passionate) statements opposing Obamacare, but you choose to pick one with a real far righter and one who is angry and almost incoherent. You need to get over your bias and do your homework.
One of those "Zoo" animals was just shown being interviewed on Hannity. I do wish the specifics of issues could be discussed more and less dismissal, condescension, and discrediting.
556 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:13:06pm |
re: #543 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. Blueherron, either post make yourself known or fuck off. Stealth dingers are obnoxious.
Maybe he's just been a little shy since he realized that he spelled his own nic incorrectly.
557 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:13:13pm |
re: #541 pampink
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558 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:14:14pm |
re: #536 NY Nana
I believe you NY, I really do. But why not just answer the hypothetical question? I am interested in your response.
I was shocked when some beastie flew a jet into the Towers in New York. I didn't think it possible but it changed my life. I believe you when you say the possibility of murder on your block and in your building is remote, but not impossible. So what are you prepared to do?
559 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:14:41pm |
re: #508 NY Nana
You have no idea how many killings by gun that go on in the 5 Boroughs of NYC.
It is frightful, and most are with illegal guns. Yes, the Police must have them, but we are also seeing them shot with the illegal guns. Booberg is a really lousy mayor, another beaut, like Arlen Spector, who changes parties like socks.
Sadly people can buy guns online. It should not be allowed.
Citizens should not be afraid to go out after dark...but as long as illegal guns are being bought? It will only get worse.
It is impossible to legislate guns out of the hands of criminals. One can, however, legislate guns out of the hands of citizens who want to defend themselves.
I know a little something about high crime cities, having lived in a few in my time, including Chicago which has some of the toughest anti-gun laws.
I strongly encourage the private ownership of defensive weapons. I also strongly discourage the ownership of said weapons in the hands of criminals and fools.
I know this is the usual pap about guns, but it is true nonetheless.
560 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:15:05pm |
re: #553 swamprat
Right! We're not nuanced enough to understand. It's not because he's a white nationalist, it's because he liked puppies.
561 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:15:14pm |
re: #533 Infidel
Two wrongs do not make a right. Don't excuse bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.
562 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:15:15pm |
re: #469 Cato the Elder
Actually, Charles, I have to disagree. Under NH law, he was within his rights. States' rights, and all that. He didn't get away with anything - he's just dumber than dirt. And his carry was open.
And by that, let me be clear, I don't mean he isn't the latest candidate for the Wannabe Darwin Award. I just mean it's a sign of our remaining sanity that he was picked up, questioned, and dumped back on the street instead of shot outright and buried in a back lot.
And at least he was dumb enough to be open about it.
563 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:15:22pm |
re: #475 EmmmieG
Anybody want a nice warm cookie? The Princess just got home soaking wet from band camp (she decided to do flags), and popped some in the oven. I'll bet she'd share.
(I slaved over those. I lifted the heavy box from the freezer at Costco, pushed it through the store, and then lifted it into my freezer.)
I'm making tomato sauce tonight. Phase one: roast the tomatoes.
564 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:15:30pm |
565 | Ben G. Hazi Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:15:38pm |
re: #533 Infidel
WTF are you smoking, defending this creep after all that's been found out about him?
566 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:16:05pm |
567 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:16:24pm |
re: #563 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm making tomato sauce tonight. Phase one: roast the tomatoes.
Are sure? I'm checking my book, and it says right here "Phase one: buy a jar of Ragu."
568 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:16:24pm |
re: #482 wee fury
The thing is . . . why are children at town meetings in the first place? They should be playing, having fun -- and just being kids.
Some kids love public events and politics.
569 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:17:11pm |
re: #554 Charles
You mean when the porter comes through the car and opens up the sleeping berths, or when the folks who've been registered for years and never said "boo" come out of the woodwork?
570 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:17:14pm |
re: #556 Last Mohican
Maybe he's just been a little shy since he realized that he spelled his own nic incorrectly.
Can I buy you a cyberbeer?
572 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:17:37pm |
re: #565 talon_262
WTF are you smoking, defending this creep after all that's been found out about him?
Infidel has been touched by The Bad Craziness.
573 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:17:40pm |
re: #506 taxfreekiller
Good thing Cynthia McKinney is not bat shit crazy.
No shit. Remember that one time, when she brought a threatening sign and a loaded gun to an anti-Bush protest that was just down the street from a Bush appearance? Man, that was totally sane.
Wait, what?
/and yeah, McKinney is still a nutbar
574 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:17:43pm |
re: #549 wee fury
Harvest a deer...wow gotta like that language.
575 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:17:49pm |
re: #567 Last Mohican
Are sure? I'm checking my book, and it says right here "Phase one: buy a jar of Ragu."
That's ...CHEATING, dammit./
577 | legalpad Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:18:01pm |
re: #546 calcajun
It will pass. It happens.
In Texas, we believe open carry can be provocative, and risks gun snatching. For gatherings, crowds, courtrooms, where officials are present - bad idea. There is security there.
578 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:18:17pm |
re: #552 Silvergirl
That was a very bad idea. The gun and sign combo. It is Time to Water the Tree of Liberty? Plus he knew the actual quote. Combine a gun with a sign promoting watering Liberty with the blood of tyrants and go to a meeting where the POTUS is speaking?
I have to wonder if that jackass ever read the Declaration of Independence, specifically, the list of grievances against King George. THAT is the definition of a tyrant.
580 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:18:32pm |
re: #562 Cato the Elder
And by that, let me be clear, I don't mean he isn't the latest candidate for the Wannabe Darwin Award. I just mean it's a sign of our remaining sanity that he was picked up, questioned, and dumped back on the street instead of shot outright and buried in a back lot.
And at least he was dumb enough to be open about it.
Carrying the gun may have been legal under NH law, but they could have found something to charge him with, and they should have. I'm actually very surprised that this creep is not in jail tonight.
581 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:18:34pm |
re: #550 SanFranciscoZionist
That is a great start. Good for you.
582 | funky chicken Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:09pm |
re: #517 spidly
Are those movies your recommendations, or ones from a Paultard's website?
583 | jaunte Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:19pm |
re: #571 wee fury
It's true. I enjoyed going to see Goldwater speak at the old Colt 45's stadium when I was a kid.
584 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:23pm |
Geez, I wasn't gone that long --277 posts? Busy Lizards tonite!
585 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:29pm |
re: #577 legalpad
In Texas, we believe open carry can be provocative, and risks gun snatching. For gatherings, crowds, courtrooms, where officials are present - bad idea. There is security there.
Especially with your lovely concealed carry law. I do so like Texas.
586 | Infidel Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:35pm |
Re: 553,
"If I see hilter listed it might be because he was a vegan?"
Invoking Godwin's Law, because I didn't see Hitler listed. Do you understand?
587 | NY Nana Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:39pm |
588 | spidly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:55pm |
re: #562 Cato the Elder
And by that, let me be clear, I don't mean he isn't the latest candidate for the Wannabe Darwin Award. I just mean it's a sign of our remaining sanity that he was picked up, questioned, and dumped back on the street instead of shot outright and buried in a back lot.
And at least he was dumb enough to be open about it.
I think you ended the discussion
589 | CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:20:07pm |
re: #521 legalpad
I feel weird agreeing with Chris Matthews.
Take heart in the fact that this interview pretty much backfired on him as soon as Kostric said, "Ron Paul."
Hey, wait a minute.
Kostric?
Kos-tric?
Kos Trick?
Who was it that suggest false flag upthread?
590 | wee fury Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:20:14pm |
re: #574 The 1SG
Harvest a deer...wow gotta like that language.
Yes. Doublespeek (spelled this way on purpose) -- harvest is so . . . vegan. Hunt is so . . . barbaric. :-)
591 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:20:23pm |
re: #533 Infidel
Dude, the pretzels you're trying to sell have so many twists that they're not even digestible.
592 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:20:47pm |
re: #580 Charles
Like I said, unless the DA or local US Attorney finds the placard constituted a threat, nope--he was totally within the law.
593 | Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:20:51pm |
re: #508 NY Nana
You have no idea how many killings by gun that go on in the 5 Boroughs of NYC.
It is frightful, and most are with illegal guns. Yes, the Police must have them, but we are also seeing them shot with the illegal guns. Booberg is a really lousy mayor, another beaut, like Arlen Spector, who changes parties like socks.
Sadly people can buy guns online. It should not be allowed.
Citizens should not be afraid to go out after dark...but as long as illegal guns are being bought? It will only get worse.
I'm sorry but the term "illegal gun" is a laugh and a half, since there really is effectively no such thing as a "legal" gun in NYC unless you're NYPD. What we're all talking about is thugs with handguns. Let's call it what it is.
And yes, people can buy guns online, but what you don't seem to know is that the online-purchased gun is shipped to a dealer, who in turn charges you a fee, fills out paperwork, and follows all state and federal rules for handing the gun over to you, the gun picker-upper, including the phone call to the Feds to make sure you're not a person of ill repute. Online dealers won't ship to private individuals, only FFLs. It's exactly the same as buying it from the gun store, except you've paid somebody in another state for the gun via credit card and that other person has FedExed it to the dealer (at extraordinary cost, no less).
I'm done with my gun buying, but I preferred buying firearms online since my FFL's transfer fee is cheap and it's a great way to avoid state tax and dealer markup.
594 | tradewind Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:21:16pm |
re: #557 Dark_Falcon
Now ya'll, try to understand.
Maybe it's a homework assignment from Prof Dembzie.
A GPA might be at stake!
///
595 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:21:29pm |
re: #563 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm making tomato sauce tonight. Phase one: roast the tomatoes.
I actually make cookies from scratch all the time. This was an impulse.
596 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:21:47pm |
re: #569 calcajun
You mean when the porter comes through the car and opens up the sleeping berths, or when the folks who've been registered for years and never said "boo" come out of the woodwork?
Both. If it's the former and they're jackasses then Silent Bob throws then out, breaking his silence to say "No Ticket" (Dogma reference). If it's the latter and they're jackasses. then Charles throws them out, saying "Get off my website."
598 | Macker Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:22:19pm |
re: #592 calcajun
Like I said, unless the DA or local US Attorney finds the placard constituted a threat, nope--he was totally within the law.
And I'll bet the Президент was pissed off this didn't happen.
600 | legalpad Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:23:55pm |
re: #585 calcajun
Especially with your lovely concealed carry law. I do so like Texas.
People don't know how safe they are here.
601 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:23:56pm |
re: #558 The 1SG
I believe you NY, I really do. But why not just answer the hypothetical question? I am interested in your response.
I was shocked when some beastie flew a jet into the Towers in New York. I didn't think it possible but it changed my life. I believe you when you say the possibility of murder on your block and in your building is remote, but not impossible. So what are you prepared to do?
Do you go armed everywhere you go? If not, what what would you do if a 250-pound armed escaped felon entered your grocery store and took the the checker hostage?
We all make decisions about how we protect ourselves, based on our communities, beliefs and personal situations.
602 | tradewind Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:24:37pm |
re: #585 calcajun
Totally off topic of this thread, re open carry:
It is provocative. We have concealed carry permits in my state. They're always safer, because the criminals always carry concealed without a permit, and at least now they're unsure re what they might run into when contemplating a crime against your person.
603 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:24:58pm |
re: #567 Last Mohican
Are sure? I'm checking my book, and it says right here "Phase one: buy a jar of Ragu."
Mom? Is that you?
604 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:25:11pm |
re: #586 Infidel
Re: 553,
"If I see hilter listed it might be because he was a vegan?"
Invoking Godwin's Law, because I didn't see Hitler listed. Do you understand?
And invoking the Asshole Law from Robot Chicken:
SMACK!
606 | outsidephilly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:25:44pm |
re: #583 jaunte
It's true. I enjoyed going to see Goldwater speak at the old Colt 45's stadium when I was a kid.
I take my grandchildren to many of our town's council meetings. Its a great opportunity for them to see democracy in action.
Last year when the Zoning Committee was hearing the presentation for a Mosque I brought the grandchildren. The meeting hall was packed with at least 125 Muslim (men, women)
607 | Yankee Division Son Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:25:46pm |
Looks like even the left are getting upset:
Obama's healthcare horror... Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!
608 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:25:50pm |
re: #580 Charles
Carrying the gun may have been legal under NH law, but they could have found something to charge him with, and they should have. I'm actually very surprised that this creep is not in jail tonight.
I do wish that stupidity was a capital felony, but then I'm afraid I'd be the first put up against the wall.
609 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:25:53pm |
611 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:26:39pm |
Camille Paglia is linked in the spinoffs. As you must know she voted for and supports President Obama, but has this to say in her Salon piece:
But who would have thought that the sober, deliberative Barack Obama would have nothing to propose but vague and slippery promises -- or that he would so easily cede the leadership clout of the executive branch to a chaotic, rapacious, solipsistic Congress? House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whom I used to admire for her smooth aplomb under pressure, has clearly gone off the deep end with her bizarre rants about legitimate town-hall protests by American citizens. She is doing grievous damage to the party and should immediately step down.
There is plenty of blame to go around. Obama's aggressive endorsement of a healthcare plan that does not even exist yet, except in five competing, fluctuating drafts, makes Washington seem like Cloud Cuckoo Land. The president is promoting the most colossal, brazen bait-and-switch operation since the Bush administration snookered the country into invading Iraq with apocalyptic visions of mushroom clouds over American cities.
You can keep your doctor; you can keep your insurance, if you're happy with it, Obama keeps assuring us in soothing, lullaby tones. Oh, really? And what if my doctor is not the one appointed by the new government medical boards for ruling on my access to tests and specialists? And what if my insurance company goes belly up because of undercutting by its government-bankrolled competitor? Face it: Virtually all nationalized health systems, neither nourished nor updated by profit-driven private investment, eventually lead to rationing.
612 | calcajun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:26:50pm |
re: #607 Yankee Division Son
Huh? The Left does not like this?
613 | swamprat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:27:02pm |
re: #605 taxfreekiller
That gave me a chill, tfk.
Thanks for reminding us.
614 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:27:39pm |
re: #607 Yankee Division Son
Looks like even the left are getting upset:
Obama's healthcare horror... Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!
You beat me to it.
615 | jaunte Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:27:54pm |
re: #611 Silvergirl
Obama's aggressive endorsement of a healthcare plan that does not even exist yet, except in five competing, fluctuating drafts, makes Washington seem like Cloud Cuckoo Land.
Ding!
616 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:28:18pm |
re: #580 Charles
Carrying the gun may have been legal under NH law, but they could have found something to charge him with, and they should have. I'm actually very surprised that this creep is not in jail tonight.
I've been thinking about this. If the Secret Service had come up with some crime to arrest him for, it would have made him something of a martyr, no? It might have caused a hundred more Alex Jones-listening freakazoids to start showing up at town hall protests carrying guns and threatening signs. Maybe that's why they let people like this go.
617 | CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:28:22pm |
re: #541 pampink
I was wondering where all the not-a-noob but low comment count trolls were in the LGF Town Hall thread today.
I guess they mostly come out at night. Mostly.
/The Town Hall thread was downright weird, I kept seeing all these lizards that I'd never seen before with long term accounts and less than 100 comments, but they were coming up with some of the best questions. Were we all supposed to be using our sock puppets?
618 | itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:29:11pm |
re: #565 talon_262
WTF are you smoking, defending this creep after all that's been found out about him?
Maybe he's getting academic credit for it, I can hardly imagine towards what degree.
619 | Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:29:25pm |
re: #611 Silvergirl
Camille Paglia is linked in the spinoffs. As you must know she voted for and supports President Obama, but has this to say in her Salon piece:
Where we saw that Obama had "nothing to propose but vague and slippery promises" on everything, not just healthcare.
Too bad people had to have their epiphany after the election.
620 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:29:48pm |
re: #607 Yankee Division Son
Looks like even the left are getting upset:
Obama's healthcare horror... Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!
To be fair, that is Camille Paglia writing there. Unlike most people, her Bullshit Detector goes off at BS from either the left or right. That makes her far more honest than most liberals.
621 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:30:01pm |
re: #607 Yankee Division Son
Looks like even the left are getting upset:
Obama's healthcare horror... Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!
Wow, how about that.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whom I used to admire for her smooth aplomb under pressure, has clearly gone off the deep end with her bizarre rants about legitimate town-hall protests by American citizens. She is doing grievous damage to the party and should immediately step down.
622 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:30:11pm |
623 | wee fury Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:31:14pm |
re: #609 SanFranciscoZionist
I did not mean to sound snarky. I apologize if I came off that way. As a kid, there is no way on earth I would have wanted to be at an adult political event (I should not have assumed that all kids would think as I did.)
624 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:31:17pm |
re: #593 Pawn of the Oppressor
So I guess I won't get those questions answered since, it appears, NY lives behind a impenetrable fortress from which NY doesn't emerge. Wow, that is not freedom nor is it defending your fellow citizens and family from said nasty beasties.
So perhaps the answer is this. I am a sheep dog destined to step in sheep dip whilst trying to teach my fellow sheep dogs and pups how to go about saving the sheep from wolves. In doing so I must also keep my eye on the sheep who live in the land of oz and forget the wolf is waiting from them around the next bush or tree. I must also remain vigilant to keep the wolves and the freakin sheep from stealing my tools both illegally and legally.
NY I wish whole heartedly that I could give you that piece of mind that you cling to. However, I have played in the sand box and the back yard and know that once you leave the fortress to forage NOTHING stands between you and the wolves. But me and mine.
I ask only this. Stop believing in the fallacy of protection from the Police or Government. Please believe in yourself determination and that of your neighbors and friends, and hopefully your family, to band together and defeat the wolves at your own door.
Satan Claus is out there boys and girls and we gotta be prepared. (Last Boy Scout)
625 | legalpad Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:31:31pm |
re: #589 CyanSnowHawk
Take heart in the fact that this interview pretty much backfired on him as soon as Kostric said, "Ron Paul."
Hey, wait a minute.
Kostric?
Kos-tric?
Kos Trick?Who was it that suggest false flag upthread?
#104
626 | tradewind Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:31pm |
re: #605 taxfreekiller
Or, as (supposedly) George Orwell put it,
"We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."
I like your take on it better, tfk.
627 | funky chicken Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:36pm |
But who would have thought that the sober, deliberative Barack Obama would have nothing to propose but vague and slippery promises -- or that he would so easily cede the leadership clout of the executive branch to a chaotic, rapacious, solipsistic Congress?
Er, Ms. Paglia? Most of the folks who voted for McCain/Palin saw this coming last fall. It's amazing how people refused to see Obama for what he was ...
628 | Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:37pm |
re: #616 Last Mohican
I've been thinking about this. If the Secret Service had come up with some crime to arrest him for, it would have made him something of a martyr, no? It might have caused a hundred more Alex Jones-listening freakazoids to start showing up at town hall protests carrying guns and threatening signs. Maybe that's why they let people like this go.
That might be the reasoning, but I have a feeling they're being really shortsighted. He's a hero to those kinds of people already. Even here there are a few people who don't really see much wrong with what he did.
629 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:45pm |
re: #620 Dark_Falcon
To be fair, that is Camille Paglia writing there. Unlike most people, her Bullshit Detector goes off at BS from either the left or right. That makes her far more honest than most liberals.
Sadly, she cannot detect her OWN BS.
Other than that, she's fine...
630 | swamprat Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:48pm |
re: #605 taxfreekiller
Post 605.
"605" is what the portuguese use to kill unwanted livestock.
Husband asks "what's for dinner"
If the wife is pissed she says;
"casserole de 605."
that was a killer post, tfk.
631 | Flyovercountry Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:33:02pm |
re: #299 Infidel
"Why is a guy who brought a firearm anywhere near an event hosted by any elected official not in jail?"
Because, before someone can be sent to jail they must first break the law. Engaging in questionable behavior to make a political point is not illegal.
Threatening the President is a crime. Showing up with a hand gun to an event where the President is, is a threat to the President. He deserves his fate. This will follow him for the rest of his life. For those of you who think he, "got away with it," rest easy in the knowledge that he did not. This idiot has earned the attention of the Secret Service for the rest of his days. I'm sure we'll see him on T.V. in a couple of years bemoaning the scrutiny he is under for this one moronic act. I won't feel sorry for him then, either.
632 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:33:34pm |
re: #601 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes I do and Yes I can. I will be there sister, defending you.
If, uh umm if you live close to me of coarse. Its not like I have super powers and can fly to your rescue whenever you get yourself into a Lois Lane spot. :)
633 | tradewind Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:33:35pm |
re: #627 funky chicken
She's losing her touch.. Vague and slippery fit TOTUS like a glove.
634 | keithgabryelski Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:33:45pm |
What turkey. And Matthews let him get away with the debunked "more guns less crime" b.s.
There is evidence the data in the study he cites was manufactured and NO ONE has been able to duplicate the results.
Freakanomics is your friend.
635 | tblot Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:33:55pm |
Does any one watch chris and his ambush questions.I don't anymore
636 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:33:57pm |
re: #629 SanFranciscoZionist
Sadly, she cannot detect her OWN BS.
Other than that, she's fine...
Any Palin haters also hate Paglia because she is a Palin defender.
637 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:34:04pm |
re: #623 wee fury
I did not mean to sound snarky. I apologize if I came off that way. As a kid, there is no way on earth I would have wanted to be at an adult political event (I should not have assumed that all kids would think as I did.)
No, no problem. But some kids do like this sort of thing. Others have parents who drag them, I suspect...
638 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:34:56pm |
re: #618 itellu3times
A B.S. in Cognitive Dissonant Philosophy?
639 | itellu3times Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:35:20pm |
re: #607 Yankee Division Son
Looks like even the left are getting upset:
Obama's healthcare horror... Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!
Oh, well, Camille Paglia, ...
Case in point: the administration's grotesque mishandling of healthcare reform, one of the most vital issues facing the nation. Ever since Hillary Clinton's megalomaniacal annihilation of our last best chance at reform in 1993 (all of which was suppressed by the mainstream media when she was running for president), Democrats have been longing for that happy day when this issue would once again be front and center.But who
who
who
would have thought that the sober, deliberative Barack Obama would have nothing to propose but vague and slippery promises -- or that he would so easily cede the leadership clout of the executive branch to a chaotic, rapacious, solipsistic Congress? House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whom I used to admire for her smooth aplomb under pressure, has clearly gone off the deep end with her bizarre rants about legitimate town-hall protests by American citizens. She is doing grievous damage to the party and should immediately step down.
(emphasis and repetition mine)
Gawd, she can still bang it down when she's on, but then she keeps keeps keeps trying to make excuses for Barry - and is still exhibiting a chronic case of H1N1 BDS.
Who, Camille? WHO?
If you have to ask, you'll never know.
(hint: about 40% of the American electorate)
640 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:35:34pm |
re: #212 NelsFree
Dear Cato,
You posted some critical comments earlier about Sarah Palin. Tonight I see a derogatory limerick about Ann Coulter. You seem to have a 'thing' about attractive Conservative women. So, what's your 'thing'?
Love and hugs,
NelsFree
By the way, Nels, since you didn't like my reply in verse: If you cast Ann Coulter as primarily a representative of conservatism, I must say you are most likely a troglodyte.
Just my pinion.
641 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:36:06pm |
re: #632 The 1SG
Yes I do and Yes I can. I will be there sister, defending you.
If, uh umm if you live close to me of coarse. Its not like I have super powers and can fly to your rescue whenever you get yourself into a Lois Lane spot. :)
Dang. No super powers?
;)
643 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:36:35pm |
re: #636 Silvergirl
Any Palin haters also hate Paglia because she is a Palin defender.
644 | zelnaga Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:36:56pm |
re: #539 jorline
Stealth down-dinger, blueherron, is at it again.
Karma: -26
blueherron
(Logged in)
Registered since: Jan 7, 2009 at 4:40 pm
No. of comments posted: 10
No. of links posted: 0blue, you contribute nothing to this site!
How do you know he's stealth down-dinging? His karma of -26 means he's been down-digned by others to -26 - not that that's how he's digned others. In fact, as far as I know, there's no way to view what someone has dinged up or down. I mean, I'm sure Charles can, since he has access to the SQL DB, but I imagine he's fairly unique in that regard...
645 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:37:43pm |
646 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:37:54pm |
blueherron7/07/2009 2:31:01 pm PDT* -6
* down
* up
* favorite
* reportre: #523 MrSilverDragon
So, blueherron, you disagree with my assessment that Barack Obama is a dangerous dumbass... care to offer a rebuttal?
OK. You caught me. I've been reading here for several months. Let me get this out of the way first, I voted for Obama. I voted for Bush both times. I would be considered a true independent
I grew more and more disenchanted with the administration (not so much Bush himself) as Bush's second term and the Iraq war dragged on. I started reading blogs. All the "mainstream" blogs (MSB), left and right.I would have voted for McCain if he had beat Bush when they ran . I didn't vote for McCain in this election because I believe Obama was and is the best possible choice for our country at this time. Also, McCain has changed a lot since 2000. And frankly, his choice of Palin was a deal breaker for many independents.
Since the election, I've cut my political blog reading to LGF and The Huffington Post. (I also read The Beast, which is fairly balanced). I read these blogs because they're the most interesting and thought-provoking and the posters are good writers. Most everything else about politics I get from the MSM. I can't listen to Rush; but I do watch Glenn Beck and Rachel Maddow.
Finally, in answer to your question. I've been laid off since December and am one of the millions of casualties of this economic disaster. But I know things will get better. Despite all of the criticism and derision and attacks and outright hatred from people who did not vote for him, OBAMA is doing SOMETHING, in fact, he's doing a whole lot of things, and he's not mangling the constitution at the same time. Imagine!
So I dinged you down for calling Obama a dangerous dumbass. Because he's not and I sometimes get fed up with the level of discourse. I never post because in my fragile, unemployed state, your responses would have me in the fetal position. So I let Kilgore Trout and Avanti do all the heavy lifting and I upding them whenever I can.
One thing I did notice on this thread is, whenever I tried to downding someone, they got two extra updings; so I'm thinking someone was on to me.
nuff said...moron
647 | outsidephilly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:38:05pm |
re: #623 wee fury
I did not mean to sound snarky. I apologize if I came off that way. As a kid, there is no way on earth I would have wanted to be at an adult political event (I should not have assumed that all kids would think as I did.)
My children would ask me who made up the laws. Rather than just telling them, I would take them to our town meetings so they could see the people who made the laws, and the process that determined these decisions.
Now, as adults, my children have taken on these types of decision making opportunities, themselves.
My son is the Chief of our local Fire Department
My daughter is the head of any organization that oversees adults with Mental Retardation
648 | tblot Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:38:51pm |
re: #628 Charles
A hero to some. ok sure got some balls to carry gun but hero I don't know
649 | CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:39:04pm |
re: #580 Charles
Carrying the gun may have been legal under NH law, but they could have found something to charge him with, and they should have. I'm actually very surprised that this creep is not in jail tonight.
What was the chain of events that led him to the NBC studios anyway? Did a producer see him and think, "Hey, we got a kook?"
I also wonder, did the USSS see him, neutralize the threat until after the appearance and then cut him loose or turn him over to local LE who then cut him loose?
I don't know much of the whole story aside from what's been discussed here and the CM interview.
650 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:39:53pm |
re: #622 Silvergirl
Yeah. victor_yugo posted it on the front page.
Thanks for the cred. I just invited Ms. Paglia to a "beer summit" (or whatever beverage she prefers) if/when she's in the area. As her loyal opposition, I have a lot of respect for her, even if I disagree with her conclusions.
651 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:40:29pm |
re: #628 Charles
That might be the reasoning, but I have a feeling they're being really shortsighted. He's a hero to those kinds of people already. Even here there are a few people who don't really see much wrong with what he did.
True--merely by doing what he did and getting away with it, he's a hero to the people that we're worried about. And the fact that he ended up on national TV makes him even more of a hero.
One thing's for sure, the Secret Service has to do a nearly impossible job with very little margin for error. They maintain files of hundreds of kooks like this, and as I said, they apparently pay some of them periodic visits. Just to keep track of how crazy they're feeling these days, how their marriage is going, whether they've lost their jobs, how many new guns they've bought, etc. They often have to end up concluding "yes this guy thinks the president should be shot, and yes he has a closet full of high-powered rifles, but in my professional opinion he's just blowing off steam, and he's probably not going to do anything for at least the next few months."
I guess in my unprofessional opinion, it's true, Kostic probably isn't going to shoot the president. But I don't know how I'd be able to sleep at night if I had to make decisions like that for a living.
652 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:40:40pm |
re: #647 outsidephilly
Honestly that is the best thing you could have done. And if I were your kid I would have ran screaming away after this last bit of non-sense. But Cheers to you for being a good citizen and doing the right thing.
653 | Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:41:03pm |
I adore Camille, but she definitely owns a high-quality pair of Blinders.
654 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:41:16pm |
655 | NY Nana Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:41:26pm |
re: #558 The 1SG
There is just no way on this earth that I am going to even compare these 2 events.
We all went through hell on that day, and 3 of my sons, our only daughter, and a daughter in law were in the city when it happened, and it changed all our lives. My husband and I have not gone into the city since. My oldest son was driving on the NJT to give a lecture, and he did not tell us for months that he saw it from the turnpike, and that so many cars pulled over to the side, as they also were in shock. His boss called him on his mobile, to tell him the lecture was obviously canceled.
Anyone who ever compares the 2 has not a clue as to how incredible that remark was.
We have kids growing up in this village, and the neighboring ones who lost either one or both parents.
Waiting to hear from our kids was hell...it was also the first time my husband had to test my blood glucose and give me my insulin. The tower on top of one of the Twin Towers held technicians and also the antennas for 2 of our TV stations...the other one was in the top of the Empire State Building.
My daughter walked home from her job in mid-town, over the same bridge from Queens to Manhattan that she had taken for the subway that is elevated river the river.
Re-experiencing it now, in my brain? Painful..and again we will go through it this year on 9/11? It hurts even more.
I am getting off this thread before I say something I will regret.
656 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:42:24pm |
re: #636 Silvergirl
Any Palin haters also hate Paglia because she is a Palin defender.
Let me try that again. Didn't know she's Palin person, but it doesn't surprise me. Palin is the kind of public personality that Paglia likes. I can't explain exactly why, but somehow she seems like someone Paglia would enjoy explaining to us.
I myself have been mildly annoyed with Paglia since she was going on in the mid-90s about how lesbian bed death is ineveitable, since you need male energy to keep lust going. Why I found this so irritating I do not know, except that basically, I think it was based on the assumption that Camille Paglia's sexuality is the human norm.
657 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:42:58pm |
re: #644 zelnaga
How do you know he's stealth down-dinging? His karma of -26 means he's been down-digned by others to -26 - not that that's how he's digned others. In fact, as far as I know, there's no way to view what someone has dinged up or down. I mean, I'm sure Charles can, since he has access to the SQL DB, but I imagine he's fairly unique in that regard...
You don't visit here very often do you? This person has a nasty reputation of down-dinging.
Search grasshopper and you will find the knowledge you seek.
658 | CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:43:02pm |
re: #607 Yankee Division Son
Looks like even the left are getting upset:
Obama's healthcare horror... Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!
Must. Resist. Bugeye. Joke.
659 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:43:23pm |
re: #631 Flyovercountry
Threatening the President is a crime. Showing up with a hand gun to an event where the President is, is a threat to the President. He deserves his fate. This will follow him for the rest of his life. For those of you who think he, "got away with it," rest easy in the knowledge that he did not. This idiot has earned the attention of the Secret Service for the rest of his days. I'm sure we'll see him on T.V. in a couple of years bemoaning the scrutiny he is under for this one moronic act. I won't feel sorry for him then, either.
This one is probably not to worry about further. It is the rest, now paying attention and unkown, that are to be worried about.
This SOB should be charged.
660 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:44:00pm |
re: #627 funky chicken
Er, Ms. Paglia? Most of the folks who voted for McCain/Palin saw this coming last fall. It's amazing how people refused to see Obama for what he was ...
Better late than never.
661 | jvic Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:44:20pm |
While I haven't thought it through, I am inclined to agree that a pretext should have been used to hustle Kostric away from the President. The sign was the last straw.
re: #491 LudwigVanQuixote
Honestly, does anyone feel safer in this society knowing that that guy is free to walk around with a loaded weapon - and thinks it is just ducky to take it to a rally that the president will be at with a revolutionary sign?
Of course I don't. I am not pleased that this guy is stomping around not too many miles north of me.
On the other hand, Benjamin Franklin wrote incisively about the tradeoff between liberty and safety.
***
I'm not willing to go to the mat re the following but think it bears mention. Kostric's behavior would have been illegal in MA and, I suspect, in ME. Yet the meeting was held in a strip of NH a few miles from MA and ME. Coincidence? Will we see some legislation introduced in the NH legislature or in Congress?
662 | zelnaga Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:44:29pm |
re: #654 Last Mohican
LGF spy is good for that.
Just saw my upding of your post there :)
Now I'm a little curious what a downding looks like, but there's nothing I want to downding at present, heh.
663 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:44:29pm |
re: #635 tblot
Does any one watch chris and his ambush questions.I don't anymore
He did a very good job of exposing this idiot.
664 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:45:04pm |
I can't play tonite,
weet dreams all!
665 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:45:30pm |
re: #655 NY Nana
Ok, good night NY. But read the thread I just referred to the possibility and what has become possible. So you comment is perplexing to say the least. Since you still have not address or at least reasoned why you won't address the issue, I say ado.
666 | outsidephilly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:46:03pm |
re: #652 The 1SG
Honestly that is the best thing you could have done. And if I were your kid I would have ran screaming away after this last bit of non-sense. But Cheers to you for being a good citizen and doing the right thing.
Interesting, we were going to go Joe Sestak's recent town hall meeting but a fire alarm went off and my son, and his son (my grandson) got on the fire trucks to deal with that call, which turned out to be a working fire so they didn't get back home in time for the meeting. Apparently, we missed an intense event!
667 | lostlakehiker Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:46:12pm |
re: #284 Wendya
Why on earth would anyone call on a child during a town hall discussing health care? Children generally echo their parents political ideology. They repeat what they've heard at home or even at school.
Because this child is channeling you. Why allow impertinent citizens to ask questions that might even poke holes in your idea, when you can have cute little girls reading their scripts and saying what you want?
It seems the whole event was scripted and controlled. A town hall meeting to which only specially vetted guests are admitted.
668 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:46:44pm |
re: #662 zelnaga
Just saw my upding of your post there :)
Now I'm a little curious what a downding looks like, but there's nothing I want to downding at present, heh.
Keep watching Spy...you will see a negative...probably blueherron's going down the thread.
669 | CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:46:49pm |
re: #620 Dark_Falcon
To be fair, that is Camille Paglia writing there. Unlike most people, her Bullshit Detector goes off at BS from either the left or right. That makes her far more honest than most liberals.
She cut her teeth critiquing postmodern feminist movement, she has a finely tuned BS detector.
670 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:47:35pm |
re: #656 SanFranciscoZionist
Let me try that again. Didn't know she's Palin person, but it doesn't surprise me. Palin is the kind of public personality that Paglia likes. I can't explain exactly why, but somehow she seems like someone Paglia would enjoy explaining to us.
Paglia teaches "media studies" in Philly. Basically, that's "how you present your message."
Since Palin has that down pretty good, she makes a good case study for Paglia's classes.
671 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:47:47pm |
re: #666 outsidephilly
Again, Cheers. And a special Cheers to my brothers (your family) in Red.
672 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:48:26pm |
re: #669 CyanSnowHawk
She cut her teeth critiquing postmodern feminist movement, she has a finely tuned BS detector.
Well, on the other hand, she did write this:
This is in fact what Sarah Palin hit on in her shocking image of a "death panel" under Obamacare that would make irrevocable decisions about the disabled and elderly. When I first saw that phrase, headlined on the Drudge Report, I burst out laughing. It seemed so over the top! But on reflection, I realized that Palin's shrewdly timed metaphor spoke directly to the electorate's unease with the prospect of shadowy, unelected government figures controlling our lives. A death panel not only has the power of life and death but is itself a symptom of a Kafkaesque brave new world where authority has become remote, arbitrary and spectral. And as in the Spanish Inquisition, dissidence is heresy, persecuted and punished.
674 | Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:49:26pm |
re: #624 The 1SGEven though carry in NYC will never happen, I have to admit, the idea of eight million gun-ignorant New Yorkers being allowed to legally carry handguns frightens me. I'm thinking, like, weekly double-digit body counts from negligent discharges... If there was to be a blanket federal CHL, it would need to come with big fat training subsidies for the left coast city dwellers! Yeesh.
675 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:49:46pm |
re: #666 outsidephilly
Interesting, we were going to go Joe Sestak's recent town hall meeting but a fire alarm went off and my son, and his son (my grandson) got on the fire trucks to deal with that call, which turned out to be a working fire so they didn't get back home in time for the meeting. Apparently, we missed an intense event!
As if a working fire isn't an "intense event."
676 | outsidephilly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:50:22pm |
re: #671 The 1SG
Again, Cheers. And a special Cheers to my brothers (your family) in Red.
My guys are volunteer fire-fighters!
677 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:51:20pm |
Charles, in case you're still watching:
I'm seeing some wacky comment counts in my "new comments" button. Just now, it showed "(5)" but only one new comment appeared when I clicked it.
678 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:51:24pm |
re: #636 Silvergirl
Any Palin haters also hate Paglia because she is a Palin defender.
I detest Palin (you might have sensed that already) and would buy Paglia a glass of '48 Margaux just for an autograph.
679 | Coracle Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:51:55pm |
re: #672 Last Mohican
And as in the Spanish Inquisition, dissidence is heresy, persecuted and punished.
I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
Thankyewandgoodnight.
680 | spidly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:51:56pm |
re: #674 Pawn of the Oppressor
Even though carry in NYC will never happen, I have to admit, the idea of eight million gun-ignorant New Yorkers being allowed to legally carry handguns frightens me. I'm thinking, like, weekly double-digit body counts from negligent discharges... If there was to be a blanket federal CHL, it would need to come with big fat training subsidies for the left coast city dwellers! Yeesh.
That has been one of the arguments against in every state that has introduced carry laws. Wild west shootouts and accidental deaths galore will ensue. has never materialized.
681 | lostlakehiker Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:52:28pm |
re: #629 SanFranciscoZionist
Sadly, she cannot detect her OWN BS.
Other than that, she's fine...
Actually, Paglia is fine, period. If only we had more Democrats like her! She is perceptive, honest, intelligent. She calls fouls on the home team as well as the away team when she's wearing the hat of referee.
If only there were more Republicans who did the same. We have some, or at any rate, some conservatives who qualify. Larry Kudlow and Charles Krauthammer come to mind, along with Theodore Dalrymple across the pond, and Mark Steyn just in from the frozen North. But too many of our own, and of course likewise on the other side of the aisle, are merely political animals clawing for political advantage.
682 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:52:40pm |
re: #665 The 1SG
Ok, good night NY. But read the thread I just referred to the possibility and what has become possible. So you comment is perplexing to say the least. Since you still have not address or at least reasoned why you won't address the issue, I say ado.
If you're going to say it, you might say it right!
683 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:52:55pm |
re: #661 jvic
While I haven't thought it through, I am inclined to agree that a pretext should have been used to hustle Kostric away from the President. The sign was the last straw.
I have no idea exactly where the guy was standing, relative to the motorcade or whatever. But I would think the Secret Service made very sure that he never got anywhere near Obama.
684 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:53:05pm |
re: #674 Pawn of the Oppressor
I agree, totally with much needed training to go with any program of blanket carry. Just to say, we lose many to car accidents as well but no one wants to ban them though. So I am wondering what is worse? (senseless car accident or intentional act) Both have the same (or could have) fatal result.
685 | outsidephilly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:53:14pm |
re: #675 victor_yugo
As if a working fire isn't an "intense event."
For them it was!
It involved a rescue, which my son just happened upon as they did a building search GOOD STUFF
686 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:53:20pm |
re: #678 Cato the Elder
I detest Palin (you might have sensed that already) and would buy Paglia a glass of '48 Margaux just for an autograph.
You're rare.
687 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:53:52pm |
re: #669 CyanSnowHawk
She cut her teeth critiquing postmodern feminist movement, she has a finely tuned BS detector.
Aaaah...I dunno. Honestly, she does smack 'moonbeams and fluffy bunnies feminism' a good one, but she falls prey to the equally dumb 'If you wear high enough heels the world is your oyster feminism'.
She's a complete BSer herself. Sometimes interesting, but I don't think she has that good a grip on reality. Too much academic deconstructionist nonsense.
688 | legalpad Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:54:10pm |
re: #674 Pawn of the Oppressor
Even though carry in NYC will never happen, I have to admit, the idea of eight million gun-ignorant New Yorkers being allowed to legally carry handguns frightens me. I'm thinking, like, weekly double-digit body counts from negligent discharges... If there was to be a blanket federal CHL, it would need to come with big fat training subsidies for the left coast city dwellers! Yeesh.
Well, not to nit-pick, but there are not even 300,000 carriers in Texas, a state with 24 million or so. Gun carrying in practice is like drivers licenses, only more rare. One must be old enough, screened, trained, and the requirements in these specifics can always be raised. To "allow guns" does not mean to hand them out on street corners. People who get them have demonstrated that they are at least as responsible as police.
689 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:54:42pm |
re: #580 Charles
Carrying the gun may have been legal under NH law, but they could have found something to charge him with, and they should have. I'm actually very surprised that this creep is not in jail tonight.
He's also from Arizona according to the myspace page... Did I read that right...
I really smell a fix being in as a well coordinated publicity stunt. He had to know he was not going into the klink.
690 | CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:56:23pm |
re: #672 Last Mohican
I see that as saying that CP recognizes that Palin knew exactly what she was saying and exactly who she was saying it to.
I think CP got that right.
/even if it is off the charts cynically.
691 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:56:28pm |
re: #688 legalpad
Agreed, it was late and I didn't want to get into the big fallacy debate about how more guns= more deaths. Just doesn't happen. In fact you end up with less crime and deaths from guns. Accidental shootings are like car accidents and we don't ban cars.
692 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:56:35pm |
re: #674 Pawn of the Oppressor
Even though carry in NYC will never happen, I have to admit, the idea of eight million gun-ignorant New Yorkers being allowed to legally carry handguns frightens me. I'm thinking, like, weekly double-digit body counts from negligent discharges... If there was to be a blanket federal CHL, it would need to come with big fat training subsidies for the left coast city dwellers! Yeesh.
Very few of us coastal types are actually like the Sex In The City characters.
693 | legalpad Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:56:41pm |
re: #689 LudwigVanQuixote
He's also from Arizona according to the myspace page... Did I read that right...
I really smell a fix being in as a well coordinated publicity stunt. He had to know he was not going into the klink.
I think I agree with you.
694 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:57:48pm |
re: #692 SanFranciscoZionist
Very few of us coastal types are actually like the Sex In The City characters.
Hey, speak for yourself. I happen to be totally fabulous.
695 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:57:56pm |
re: #679 Coracle
I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
Thankyewandgoodnight.
696 | The 1SG Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:58:09pm |
Ok, I am out. Peace be upon you and yours. Remember there is a sheep dog out there tonight doing his/her job for you. Remember them and thank them often. That includes the volunteers who some times do it for free.
697 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:58:54pm |
re: #685 outsidephilly
For them it was!
It involved a rescue, which my son just happened upon as they did a building search GOOD STUFF
What was the quote on Oskar Schindler's ring? "Who saves one life, has saved the world entire."
698 | The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:10pm |
Why do some folks feel a need to defend this creep? He is a creep you know.
SOB is defective or he would not have pulled this stunt.
699 | outsidephilly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:11pm |
re: #696 The 1SG
Ok, I am out. Peace be upon you and yours. Remember there is a sheep dog out there tonight doing his/her job for you. Remember them and thank them often. That includes the volunteers who some times do it for free.
Shalom, back at you!
701 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:28pm |
re: #694 Last Mohican
Hey, speak for yourself. I happen to be totally fabulous.
I, on the other hand, own pantyhose I bought at the grocery store.
/
702 | spidly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:28pm |
re: #688 legalpad
Well, not to nit-pick, but there are not even 300,000 carriers in Texas, a state with 24 million or so. Gun carrying in practice is like drivers licenses, only more rare. One must be old enough, screened, trained, and the requirements in these specifics can always be raised. To "allow guns" does not mean to hand them out on street corners. People who get them have demonstrated that they are at least as responsible as police.
pretty sure Texas is a shall issue state. the state has to come up with a damn good reason not to allow you to carry. Oregon is a 2 hour class and a background check and the state must give you the permit. My permit in OR was over the 300,000th issued in a state with maybe 3.5 million at the time. you sure there's not a few more that that in Texas?
703 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:28pm |
re: #672 Last Mohican
And as in the Spanish Inquisition, dissidence is heresy, persecuted and punished.
Here's where Paglia (as much as I love reading her) falls flat on her academic ass. The Spanish Inquisition, compared to the legal systems it superseded, was a substantive advance in the history of jurisprudence.
Even a maverick liberal is wrong some of the time.
704 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:56pm |
re: #657 jorline
Hey jorline - cut 'em some slack and tell him about LGF Master Spy!
How are you doing tonight my friend?
705 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:00:08pm |
re: #694 Last Mohican
Hey, speak for yourself. I happen to be totally fabulous.
But I'm Absolutely Fabulous.
706 | legalpad Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:00:59pm |
re: #702 spidly
pretty sure Texas is a shall issue state. the state has to come up with a damn good reason not to allow you to carry. Oregon is a 2 hour class and a background check and the state must give you the permit. My permit in OR was over the 300,000th issued in a state with maybe 3.5 million at the time. you sure there's not a few more that that in Texas?
No, not sure. It seemed like it was about a quarter million a few years back so that sounds about right.
707 | jordash1212 Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:01:53pm |
Chris Mathews is sharp, and this guy just can't compete.
708 | keithgabryelski Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:02:07pm |
Questions Matthews missed
who's a tyrant?
Is president Obama a tyrant
aren't you using coded language to kill president Obama
the study you cite claiming more guns leads to less crime has been debunked. Do you intend on repeating it as truth? What changes will you make in your position on "the town hall would be safer if everyone had a gun" now that you know your base premise is incorrect?
709 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:03:33pm |
re: #703 Cato the Elder
Here's where Paglia (as much as I love reading her) falls flat on her academic ass. The Spanish Inquisition, compared to the legal systems it superseded, was a substantive advance in the history of jurisprudence.
Even a maverick liberal is wrong some of the time.
Indeed. Despite its terrifying reputation, many people asked to have ordinary criminal cases transferred to the Inquisition, because its judges were honest and did not base their rulings on social class.
710 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:04:27pm |
re: #709 Dark_Falcon
Indeed. Despite its terrifying reputation, many people asked to have ordinary criminal cases transferred to the Inquisition, because its judges were honest and did not base their rulings on social class.
Well that's interesting to learn. I didn't expect that about the Spanish Inquisition.
711 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:04:28pm |
712 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:04:45pm |
re: #668 jorline
Now wait just a second here, you're 688 wasn't there when I posted my 704! How'd you do that?!
713 | outsidephilly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:05:04pm |
re: #697 victor_yugo
What was the quote on Oskar Schindler's ring? "Who saves one life, has saved the world entire."
Good quote!
My son nearly jumps out of his skin when things just happen like that -
Last year during a building search he came upon a 6 year old child, sadly, the child was not alive.
The local TV news was there filming the fire events, since it was a live event, I watched my son carry the child out of the building SIGH
714 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:05:54pm |
re: #704 realwest
Hey jorline - cut 'em some slack and tell him about LGF Master Spy!
How are you doing tonight my friend?
Hey RW...how are you?
I forgot about spy, but Last Mohican did bring it up.
I'm heading off to bed...my turn to transport the high school carpool at 5:30.
715 | spidly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:06:57pm |
717 | outsidephilly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:07:00pm |
good night, my lizard friends - 6AM is right around the corner...
718 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:07:33pm |
re: #714 jorline
Hey RW...how are you?
I forgot about spy, but Last Mohican did bring it up.
I'm heading off to bed...my turn to transport the high school carpool at 5:30.
5:30? When does the school start?
719 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:08:22pm |
re: #707 jordash1212
Chris Mathews is sharp, and this guy just can't compete.
Sharp, and yet really off-putting, IMHO. What justifiable reason was there for asking him whether he was a nirther, for example, other than the fact that he probably was, and if he admitted it, he would look like even more of a kook.
720 | fizzlogic Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:08:54pm |
721 | Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:08:57pm |
Working and slaving my whole life away...what did I miss? Any good meltdowns? Anyone get the stick tonight?
722 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:09:26pm |
re: #718 EmmmieG
I think jorline's gone, but around here, school starts at 6:45 AM sharp!
I know cause those lil buggers go prancing past my window to the school bus stop and are already talking.
Why, they can't even have had a cup of coffee yet!
/
723 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:09:27pm |
re: #679 Coracle
I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
Thankyewandgoodnight.
Dude, I will so put you in the comfy chair!
724 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:09:36pm |
re: #718 EmmmieG
5:30? When does the school start?
They're year round. School started on July 18th and they will have their first six week break when everyone else starts school.
725 | legalpad Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:10:34pm |
re: #706 legalpad
No, not sure. It seemed like it was about a quarter million a few years back so that sounds about right.
Update: 314,574 active license holders as of 12/31/2008
726 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:10:49pm |
re: #701 SanFranciscoZionist
I, on the other hand, own pantyhose I bought at the grocery store.
/
Actually, to be perfectly honest, I've only seen one episode of Sex and the City, and I really hated it.
And, while I would love to try being fabulous for a while, I have no idea how to even get started. Perhaps because I'm a heterosexual male?
727 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:10:53pm |
re: #724 jorline
They're year round. School started on July 18th and they will have their first six week break when everyone else starts school.
High school starts late here. 8:00. That's an hour later than I had it.
728 | Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:10:55pm |
re: #724 jorline
They're year round. School started on July 18th and they will have their first six week break when everyone else starts school.
My 3rd grader starts tomorrow. My senior started Monday. He has swim practice at 6am...he is actually making it up and not being a zombie all day.
729 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:11:14pm |
re: #709 Dark_Falcon
Indeed. Despite its terrifying reputation, many people asked to have ordinary criminal cases transferred to the Inquisition, because its judges were honest and did not base their rulings on social class.
Unless you were a middle class Jew... Then it was a pretty bad place to be.
Just saying...
730 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:11:43pm |
re: #722 realwest
I think jorline's gone, but around here, school starts at 6:45 AM sharp!
I know cause those lil buggers go prancing past my window to the school bus stop and are already talking.
Why, they can't even have had a cup of coffee yet!
/
I'll be in a similar boat on Thursday. I've got a 7:18M flight, so I have to get up at 5am.
732 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:11:58pm |
Since I began the night with a limerick, I'll end with one.
The Little Green Footballs crowd makes light
Of anserine fools and their fake fight
What finally matters
Is not how one natters
But whether your spectacles fit right.
733 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:12:08pm |
re: #727 EmmmieG
High school starts late here. 8:00. That's an hour later than I had it.
I'm getting old, or tired, or both. 8:30 and 7:30.
734 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:12:11pm |
re: #729 LudwigVanQuixote
Unless you were a middle class Jew... Then it was a pretty bad place to be.
Just saying...
Very true.
735 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:12:30pm |
re: #718 EmmmieG
5:30? When does the school start?
It's late...it starts at 8:00, but they have open gym (shhh...secret basketball practice) at 6:30 and we live 25 miles from the school.
736 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:12:31pm |
re: #720 trendsurfer
Well that certainly may be true, but it is from HuffPoo and some annonymous sources and the SPLC- now if the FBI has said that I'd be more inclined to believe it.
Hell I'm already more inclined to believe but would rather have some more, ah, reliable link than Huffpoo.
737 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:13:06pm |
re: #703 Cato the Elder
Here's where Paglia (as much as I love reading her) falls flat on her academic ass. The Spanish Inquisition, compared to the legal systems it superseded, was a substantive advance in the history of jurisprudence.
Even a maverick liberal is wrong some of the time.
It works for her purposes here. Name recognition with what equals persecution and punishment. Everyone is familiar enough with the Spanish Inquisition to see her point. Monty Python paved the way for her by educating the masses. Heh. So, her academic ass may be hurting, but her literary ass is not.
738 | Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:13:20pm |
re: #729 LudwigVanQuixote
Unless you were a middle class Jew... Then it was a pretty bad place to be.
Just saying...
As long as you confessed, recanted and converted...everything was peachy. Sorta like Arlen Spector, but without the torture implements and a "burning pole" outside the church.
739 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:13:58pm |
re: #730 Dark_Falcon
Hey DF! Where are you going at such an early hour?
740 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:14:34pm |
re: #737 Silvergirl
It works for her purposes here. Name recognition with what equals persecution and punishment. Everyone is familiar enough with the Spanish Inquisition to see her point. Monty Python paved the way for her by educating the masses. Heh. So, her academic ass may be hurting, but her literary ass is not.
I've seen her ass, in person.
I only regret that I'm not her type.
741 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:14:43pm |
re: #728 Desert Dog
My 3rd grader starts tomorrow. My senior started Monday. He has swim practice at 6am...he is actually making it up and not being a zombie all day.
Yep...what happened to after school practice? Our swim team is in the water at 6am as well.
742 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:14:55pm |
re: #735 jorline
Ah, the 25 miles from the school explains it. We have "secret" basketball get togethers too!
743 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:15:12pm |
re: #737 Silvergirl
It works for her purposes here. Name recognition with what equals persecution and punishment. Everyone is familiar enough with the Spanish Inquisition to see her point. Monty Python paved the way for her by educating the masses. Heh. So, her academic ass may be hurting, but her literary ass is not.
But what about her intellectual ass? Surely cutting truth loose for easy points is bound to hurt at some point.
(I won't even try to play the anatomical jokes here.)
744 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:16:04pm |
re: #721 Desert Dog
Working and slaving my whole life away...what did I miss? Any good meltdowns? Anyone get the stick tonight?
Almost. But like so many others before it, tonight's would-be melter-down shrank away in fear, and the moment of its flounce came and went rather uneventfully.
745 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:16:40pm |
re: #741 jorline
I though after 6 practices was football practice time! It is down here!
I tell no lie, basketball and football are BIG in North Carolina!
746 | Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:16:44pm |
re: #741 jorline
Yep...what happened to after school practice? Our swim team is in the water at 6am as well.
They share the pool with their rival High School...two weeks at 6am, then two weeks at 4pm. The meets start in September. He's been practicing all summer.
747 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:17:06pm |
748 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:17:39pm |
re: #739 realwest
Hey DF! Where are you going at such an early hour?
Indianapolis. Big gaming convention there called GenCon. Lack of funds forced me to skip it last year, but this year I can afford it. The downside is I probably won't be here at LGF much at all while I'm there. Still, it's a nice mini-vacation and I need one of those.
749 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:19:24pm |
re: #748 Dark_Falcon
" Still, it's a nice mini-vacation and I need one of those."
Now ain't that the truth! Have a GREAT TIME!
750 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:19:43pm |
re: #737 Silvergirl
It works for her purposes here. Name recognition with what equals persecution and punishment. Everyone is familiar enough with the Spanish Inquisition to see her point. Monty Python paved the way for her by educating the masses. Heh. So, her academic ass may be hurting, but her literary ass is not.
And, but: dontcha think it kinda comes close to Godwin's banlieu? Hoc locqui est you're the SP, discussion over?
751 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:19:48pm |
re: #742 realwest
Ah, the 25 miles from the school explains it. We have "secret" basketball get togethers too!
My son has the same open gym after school and gets out at 6pm.
He has his first baseball tournament one week from Friday...it's going to be a longgg year...lol
752 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:20:22pm |
re: #743 Cato the Elder
But what about her intellectual ass? Surely cutting truth loose for easy points is bound to hurt at some point.
(I won't even try to play the anatomical jokes here.)
It's not all about intellect. Sometimes it's show biz.
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.
753 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:21:26pm |
re: #752 Silvergirl
It's not all about intellect. Sometimes it's show biz.
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.
Heh. Let's get married.
Last week I posted on Facebook: "Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you know."
754 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:21:37pm |
Poster Board for a protest sign: $3.25
Sharpie for writing an implied threat on said sign: $1.29
Loaded Pistol: $499.95
Combining all these elements at a protest in the vicinity of a Presidential appearance:
One million times dumber than lathering yourself in pigs blood and jumping into a shark tank.
755 | Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:21:53pm |
Not usually a big Bob Hebert fan, but this article from the NYT is very well done.
A truer picture of the employment crisis emerges when you combine the number of people who are officially counted as jobless with those who are working part time because they can’t find full-time work and those in the so-called labor market reserve — people who are not actively looking for work (because they have become discouraged, for example) but would take a job if one became available.
The tally from those three categories is a mind-boggling 30 million Americans — 19 percent of the overall work force.
This is, by far, the nation’s biggest problem and should be its No. 1 priority.
I have laid off 5 workers since last year. All of them have been with me for over 5 years, a couple of them for over 10. They all have families and they are ALL still unemployed or severly under employed. It was a heart wrenching decesion, but in order to survive, I had to do it. I hope things start turning around soon. I may have to let more go before this all ends.
756 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:22:23pm |
re: #750 Cato the Elder
And, but: dontcha think it kinda comes close to Godwin's banlieu? Hoc locqui est you're the SP, discussion over?
You expect me to Google that stuff?
Sorry, I'm kind of an ape woman who drops my 'G's mosta the time.
757 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:22:28pm |
re: #751 jorline
Whoa, your high school kid works more hours than do most working folk do!
I know you're his dad and all, but seriously is he any good? How tall? How heavy and what year is he in (and yes, I am scouting for NC - what of it?!)
758 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:22:58pm |
re: #745 realwest
I though after 6 practices was football practice time! It is down here!
I tell no lie, basketball and football are BIG in North Carolina!
Needless to say football is very big in TX, but basketball and baseball are the big sports at his HS. The state champions for 5A, 4A and 3A come from this area each year.
759 | Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:23:57pm |
re: #754 Slumbering Behemoth
Poster Board for a protest sign: $3.25
Sharpie for writing an implied threat on said sign: $1.29
Loaded Pistol: $499.95Combining all these elements at a protest in the vicinity of a Presidential appearance:
One million times dumber than lathering yourself in pigs blood and jumping into a shark tank.
Cato should send him a lead plated Doofi medallion that he must wear around his neck at all times so the rest of us can give him a wide berth. Of course, he is from Arizona...where else could he have come from? :-(
760 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:24:10pm |
re: #754 Slumbering Behemoth
Well, sort of. He was asking for trouble, but he didn't get it. Instead he got to be on national TV. He's the hero of the Paulians, at least for a week or so.
If I were him, I'd be asking out some of those cute girls with the machine guns in that video he posted, before everyone forgets about the Chris Matthews appearance.
761 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:24:43pm |
re: #726 Last Mohican
Actually, to be perfectly honest, I've only seen one episode of Sex and the City, and I really hated it.
And, while I would love to try being fabulous for a while, I have no idea how to even get started. Perhaps because I'm a heterosexual male?
That is a drawback.
762 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:25:02pm |
re: #748 Dark_Falcon
Indianapolis. Big gaming convention there called GenCon. Lack of funds forced me to skip it last year, but this year I can afford it. The downside is I probably won't be here at LGF much at all while I'm there. Still, it's a nice mini-vacation and I need one of those.
Mini vacation and a job...you're doing better than a lot of people Dark.
Enjoy your trip and be safe.
763 | ladycatnip Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:26:01pm |
Love this - Paglia: Pelosi must go
But who would have thought that the sober, deliberative Barack Obama would have nothing to propose but vague and slippery promises -- or that he would so easily cede the leadership clout of the executive branch to a chaotic, rapacious, solipsistic Congress? House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whom I used to admire for her smooth aplomb under pressure, has clearly gone off the deep end with her bizarre rants about legitimate town-hall protests by American citizens. She is doing grievous damage to the party and should immediately step down...
And what do Democrats stand for, if they are so ready to defame concerned citizens as the "mob" -- a word betraying a Marie Antoinette delusion of superiority to ordinary mortals. I thought my party was populist, attentive to the needs and wishes of those outside the power structure. And as a product of the 1960s, I thought the Democratic party was passionately committed to freedom of thought and speech...
As a libertarian and refugee from the authoritarian Roman Catholic church of my youth, I simply do not understand the drift of my party toward a soulless collectivism. This is in fact what Sarah Palin hit on in her shocking image of a "death panel" under Obamacare that would make irrevocable decisions about the disabled and elderly. When I first saw that phrase, headlined on the Drudge Report, I burst out laughing. It seemed so over the top! But on reflection, I realized that Palin's shrewdly timed metaphor spoke directly to the electorate's unease with the prospect of shadowy, unelected government figures controlling our lives. A death panel not only has the power of life and death but is itself a symptom of a Kafkaesque brave new world where authority has become remote, arbitrary and spectral. And as in the Spanish Inquisition, dissidence is heresy, persecuted and punished.
Paglia nails it.
764 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:26:45pm |
re: #759 Desert Dog
Hey now! I have relatives from Arizona. None of them are that dumb. :)
765 | jorline Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:26:54pm |
Signing off for real this time...no pun intended RW.
766 | spidly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:27:35pm |
re: #725 legalpad
Update: 314,574 active license holders as of 12/31/2008
saw that, quite a low number.
Wonder if UT and FL permits being honored in TX and issued out of state depresses the number. The only reason I have an OR or WA permit (WA had issued over a million permits by 2000!) is because they won't accept my FL. Fewer reqs for FL than TX too.
768 | Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:28:05pm |
re: #764 Slumbering Behemoth
Hey now! I have relatives from Arizona. None of them are that dumb. :)
Have you met their neighbors? :-)
769 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:28:10pm |
re: #726 Last Mohican
Actually, to be perfectly honest, I've only seen one episode of Sex and the City, and I really hated it.
And, while I would love to try being fabulous for a while, I have no idea how to even get started. Perhaps because I'm a heterosexual male?
What put me off was the anorexia.
Sorry, SITC fans, I like Rubens. The painter, not the sandwiches. Though come to think of it I like them too.
Someone thought it was a funny comeback the other day when I said Lakshmi Singh was hot to tell me "she's a plumper".
As if that were a drawback.
770 | Ojoe Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:29:40pm |
re: #355 NY Nana
Hi Nana
The way I see it, is that you want the biggest weapons in the hands of the most moral people, and visibly so.
It is not guns I am afraid of, it is being defenseless.
Good night to you.
771 | legalpad Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:30:03pm |
re: #766 spidly
saw that, quite a low number.
Wonder if UT and FL permits being honored in TX and issued out of state depresses the number. The only reason I have an OR or WA permit (WA had issued over a million permits by 2000!) is because they won't accept my FL. Fewer reqs for FL than TX too.
Those states are reciprocal anyway. They can just get them in their own state. Texas licenses, according to my link, are harder to get.
772 | Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:30:49pm |
re: #769 Cato the Elder
What put me off was the anorexia.
Sorry, SITC fans, I like Rubens. The painter, not the sandwiches. Though come to think of it I like them too.
Someone thought it was a funny comeback the other day when I said Lakshmi Singh was hot to tell me "she's a plumper".
As if that were a drawback.
773 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:31:55pm |
774 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:32:28pm |
re: #755 Desert Dog
Hey DD - there's something wrong with your link, pardner!
775 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:32:50pm |
re: #769 Cato the Elder
Sorry, SITC fans, I like Rubens. The painter, not the sandwiches. Though come to think of it I like them too.
One of my lefty college profs told us how she put a Rubens picture on her refrigerator, as an affirmation that there were those who considered her curvy figure attractive.
And anyone who asks for a "reuben on wheat" should be given the ingredients separately. Let them make their own sandwich, but it won't be a real reuben without rye bread.
776 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:33:40pm |
re: #773 Dark_Falcon
Good night Dark_Falcon - have a swift, safe trip and a GREAT TIME while you're there!
777 | rynloran Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:34:31pm |
The dude's pretty smart. This whole "Har har, he voted Ron Paul, he must be a looney!" is pretty tired and stupid.
Mathews is being a ridiculous 'tard. We have a right to carry guns. Not our fault people are afraid of them.
I've seen people handle an intrusive interview far worse than this guy. Give him credit where it's due.
779 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:35:46pm |
re: #777 rynloran
I've seen people handle an intrusive interview far worse than this guy. Give him credit where it's due.
If he hadn't been a dumbass to begin with, he wouldn't be getting this interview with Tingly Matthews.
780 | Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:36:06pm |
re: #777 rynloran
The dude's pretty smart. This whole "Har har, he voted Ron Paul, he must be a looney!" is pretty tired and stupid.
Mathews is being a ridiculous 'tard. We have a right to carry guns. Not our fault people are afraid of them.
I've seen people handle an intrusive interview far worse than this guy. Give him credit where it's due.
Did you forget your sarc tag?
781 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:37:05pm |
re: #779 victor_yugo
If he hadn't been a dumbass to begin with, he wouldn't be getting this interview with Tingly Matthews.
What a way to gain your 15 minutes.
782 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:37:21pm |
re: #780 Desert Dog
Did you forget your sarc tag?
Let's cut him some slack. It's only his second post.
783 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:39:33pm |
re: #782 Last Mohican
Let's cut him some slack. It's only his second post.
Should I take back my down ding? I feel mean giving them anyway.
784 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:39:44pm |
Repost: I have a confession to make. I have been lying about AGW.
I just realized that all of those years in graduate school where I was indoctrinated into the Lenninist reform physics community were a waste. I once had such noble intentions, but I have become a mockery of the physicist I had once hoped to be.
You see, as a young man, our commissar was actually a very beautiful woman, well girl really. Her name was Irena. She had the most beautiful smile, and the way her lip would curl, and her body shake with righteous fury when she said the world capitalist, was well, too much for me as a young man to be able to resist. It was her dirty blond hair and piercing hazel eyes coupled with a true and pure urge to create a workers paradise that convinced me - well that and the fact that she could be very "rewarding" of my orthodoxy.
I am so ashamed now to think on it. But since I am confessing to you, it was Irena who told me that my mathematical skills could aid the cause of revolution and atone for my intellectual status, if I would help promote the new order through helping to create and perpetuate a new Marxist/Lenninist pure form of climate science. She was so convincing,, and I was so full of hope of creating a new state for the people... Oh! How she would smile when my lip would curl when I said Carbon Dioxide!
Just personally, you should know it was the best sex ever.
So I became part of the conspiracy. Of course, once I was in it... Well, how could I get out? My grants depended on continuing my research and by now, Irena had a little revolutionary coming. I admitted that I had to settle down and take care of the collective. I hated the dishonesty of it as I fudged calculation after calculation, but hey, everyone else in the department was doing it too. I convinced myself it was ok to keep lying.
And it was scary... There were those scientists, brave souls who remembered what it was to scientists... They stood up for the truth. They disappeared. Irena explained it was for the good of the party and the good of the proletariat.
My orthodoxy began to slip and Irena left me for a more strict Marxist physicist. I wanted so much to prove myself to her and get her back.
So I, much to my shame stayed silent all of these years, and all of the lies about global warming, well they just became second nature.
But, you skeptics here have saved me. I know I am risking my life by doing this. I can no longer keep the truth hidden. The only thing that is warming the Earth excessively is Bill Clinton. That's right. It is all because of his secret slave breeding program and slave girl flatulence.
I know I will be shot now. But please know, I will die a free man at last because of you! Thank you.
///
785 | spidly Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:39:58pm |
re: #771 legalpad
Those states are reciprocal anyway. They can just get them in their own state. Texas licenses, according to my link, are harder to get.
that's what I meant. I wonder how many Texans take the basic NRA course or one of the other options for a FL permit and skip getting the Texas permit which requires 15 hour class. FL is good for 6 years. Haven't found how long TX permit is good for.
786 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:42:00pm |
re: #784 LudwigVanQuixote
Have you been moonlighting at Bulwer-Lytton?
787 | sngnsgt Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:42:29pm |
re: #763 ladycatnip
Nancy Pelosi: The Wicked Witch of the Left.
788 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:42:49pm |
re: #778 Desert Dog
Thank you kindly Desert Dog!
Very interesting piece - very interesting.
790 | legalpad Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:43:25pm |
re: #785 spidly
that's what I meant. I wonder how many Texans take the basic NRA course or one of the other options for a FL permit and skip getting the Texas permit which requires 15 hour class. FL is good for 6 years. Haven't found how long TX permit is good for.
Oh, sure. TX permit is 5 years. Seems a lot of trouble for very many to get out of state reciprocals, though.
791 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:43:38pm |
re: #786 Silvergirl
Have you been moonlighting at Bulwer-Lytton?
I had to google that, no... but I did want to write something light hearted. I hope that you laughed.
792 | Gus Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:43:48pm |
Something that may apply in the future with regards to those that may want to emulate William Kostric:
U.S. Code:
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 84 > § 1752
§ 1752. Restricted building or grounds
(a) It shall be unlawful for any person or group of persons—
(1) willfully and knowingly to enter or remain in any posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area of a building or grounds where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting;
(2) willfully and knowingly to enter or remain in any posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area of a building or grounds so restricted in conjunction with an event designated as a special event of national significance;
(3) willfully, knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions, to engage in disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such proximity to, any building or grounds described in paragraph (1) or (2) when, or so that, such conduct, in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions;
(4) willfully and knowingly to obstruct or impede ingress or egress to or from any building, grounds, or area described in paragraph (1) or (2); or
(5) willfully and knowingly to engage in any act of physical violence against any person or property in any building, grounds, or area described in paragraph (1) or (2).
(b) Violation of this section, and attempts or conspiracies to commit such violations, shall be punishable by—
(1) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both, if—
(A) the person, during and in relation to the offense, uses or carries a deadly or dangerous weapon or firearm; or
(B) the offense results in significant bodily injury as defined by section 2118 (e)(3); and
(2) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, in any other case.
(c) Violation of this section, and attempts or conspiracies to commit such violations, shall be prosecuted by the United States attorney in the Federal district court having jurisdiction of the place where the offense occurred.
(d) None of the laws of the United States or of the several States and the District of Columbia shall be superseded by this section.
(e) As used in this section, the term “other person protected by the Secret Service” means any person whom the United States Secret Service is authorized to protect under section 3056 of this title when such person has not declined such protection.
793 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:44:56pm |
re: #783 Silvergirl
Should I take back my down ding? I feel mean giving them anyway.
Well, let me think about it...
Umm...
Nah.
794 | Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:45:35pm |
re: #784 LudwigVanQuixote
You're Welcome Senor Quixote. Now, for your final act of repentance, please take that copy of An Inconvenient Truth out from under your pillow and toss it out the window...then and only then will you be totally free.
795 | Silvergirl Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:45:38pm |
re: #791 LudwigVanQuixote
I had to google that, no... but I did want to write something light hearted. I hope that you laughed.
I did.
796 | freetoken Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:46:53pm |
Just got to say... Matthews actually got me to chuckle. Many people here may despise him, but he knows what he is doing, and getting the gun-slinger to own up to reading 'nirther material and voting for Ron Paul, so early in the conversation, was brilliant.
797 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:47:02pm |
re: #794 Desert Dog
You're Welcome Senor Quixote. Now, for your final act of repentance, please take that copy of An Inconvenient Truth out from under your pillow and toss it out the window..
...where it will land on the thin skin and thick skull of some progressive nincompoop.
798 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:47:05pm |
re: #792 Gus 802
Hi Gus! Good find, great link! So how did William Kostric pull it off?
USSS stretched too thinly?
799 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:47:31pm |
re: #794 Desert Dog
You're Welcome Senor Quixote. Now, for your final act of repentance, please take that copy of An Inconvenient Truth out from under your pillow and toss it out the window...then and only then will you be totally free.
I can't, it still smells like Irena... It is all I have left of her...
800 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:47:43pm |
re: #767 Sharmuta
I am seeing many parallels between the current derangement and that which was present during the Clinton admin. Only now, the water seems to be boiling hotter in those circles.
I did my tour of CDS during his first term. Lucky for me, I was able to pull my head out of my ass early on and break ties with other CDS sufferers that I temporarily hung with. It's bad craziness.
And the black helicopters were present then as well. So was Alex Jones. And the only ounce of credit I can possibly, reluctantly give Jones is that he is consistent. He is non-partisan in his ranting. He is bat shit crazy regardless of which party occupies the oval office. I still can't stand him.
The ones I can stand even less than Jones (and only by a tiny fraction, because fuck Alex Jones) are the ones who are partisan moonbats. The ones who only buy into the conspiracy mongering garbage when the opposition party is in the oval office, while ridiculing those who spout the same exact crap when their "hero" is in.
And those kind of Animal Farm Ideologues exist in noticeable quantities on either side. I have no use for people who think in such ways. A pox on both their dog houses.
801 | Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:48:44pm |
re: #796 freetoken
Just got to say... Matthews actually got me to chuckle. Many people here may despise him, but he knows what he is doing, and getting the gun-slinger to own up to reading 'nirther material and voting for Ron Paul, so early in the conversation, was brilliant.
He's a smart guy, but if you know your stuff, he is not so studly.
802 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:49:33pm |
re: #792 Gus 802
I'm not sure this applies. Was Kostric in any cordoned-off area? I thought he was only outside of the event. And I don't see how he intended to disrupt the event, or succeeded in disrupting the event. All he did was stand there with his gun and his sign about how the president should be shot.
803 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:50:27pm |
re: #801 Desert Dog
You are absolutely the ONLY person I know of who used "studly" to describe Chris Matthews!
804 | Semi Cartman Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:51:08pm |
re: #559 The Shadow Do
I know this is the usual pap about guns, but it is true nonetheless.
Not pap, but truth. If I knew how to fly an airplane, I'd skywrite it over Chicago weekly. Carbon footprint be damned.
As for the controversy surrounding the clown with the firearm, a better red herring than this couldn't have been manufactured by all the networks combined. Rather than focus on this monstrosity of a bill, and the wretched excuses for humanity who are trying to foist it on a disillusioned public, we get this. If the cops really wanted to arrest this guy, a 'disturbing the peace' beef would keep him in jail until a judge set the terms. Instead he's on TV (I know, it's MSNBC, but technically it's still television) as the representative of all who disagree with the campaign for the bill. This is getting crazy. It is not the public, or me, or the "right wing" that's cracking up, though. It's others, who I dare not name, who seem to have bitten off far more than they can chew.
805 | Gus Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:51:27pm |
re: #798 realwest
Hi Gus! Good find, great link! So how did William Kostric pull it off?
USSS stretched too thinly?
Hi Realwest. I was thinking about what law might supersede state laws for the Secret Service while engaged in the protective service. The USSS might have been lax in this matter and perhaps Kostric didn't fall into the "protective" zone. If he did then it would be a matter of them arresting him for a felony "while willfully, knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions" and carrying a firearm while committing said act(s).
It's probably more nuanced then this and would result in his eventual release but the law is rather clear according to the US Code.
806 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:51:35pm |
re: #801 Desert Dog
He's a smart guy, but if you know your stuff, he is not so studly.
I thought Matthews could have done that "ambush interview" a lot better. Why just out of the blue whom the man voted for? Why ask if he was a nirther? He was clearly just fishing blindly for embarrassing statements.
807 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:51:47pm |
re: #802 Last Mohican
"All he did was stand there with his gun and his sign about how the president should be shot."
Well alrighty then, nothing to see here, just move along...
/
808 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:51:48pm |
re: #800 Slumbering Behemoth
A most excellent rant, {Sleepy B}.
809 | Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:52:34pm |
re: #803 realwest
You are absolutely the ONLY person I know of who used "studly" to describe Chris Matthews!
Poor choice of words, fer sure. But, when he gets someone like the clueless Mr. Kostric served up on a silver platter like he did, even old' tingly legs could come across as dragon slayer.
810 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:52:38pm |
re: #806 Last Mohican
I thought Matthews could have done that "ambush interview" a lot better. Why just out of the blue whom the man voted for? Why ask if he was a nirther? He was clearly just fishing blindly for embarrassing statements.
Um, right, because just being that loser ain't embarrassing enough...
811 | NY Nana Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:52:51pm |
G'nite, Lizards, sweet dreams. I am off to sleep, perchance to dream, and hope I can get into bed while I am still awake!
I have to be vewwy, vewwy careful!
812 | Wendya Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:53:00pm |
re: #798 realwest
Hi Gus! Good find, great link! So how did William Kostric pull it off?
USSS stretched too thinly?
He was probably far enough from the protected area that he didn't constitute a legal threat. I can't imagine he was anywhere near the motorcade or close enough to the event to have presented an imminent threat. The constitution doesn't protect you in those cases.
813 | Desert Dog Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:55:22pm |
re: #806 Last Mohican
I thought Matthews could have done that "ambush interview" a lot better. Why just out of the blue whom the man voted for? Why ask if he was a nirther? He was clearly just fishing blindly for embarrassing statements.
He held him in such contempt, he was probably trying his best not to go all spontaneous human combustion on him. You could see the disdain dripping off of Chrissy's makeup.
814 | realwest Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:56:29pm |
Well y'all it's been interesting, but I gotta get some sleep!
Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Good night, all.
815 | Sharmuta Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:56:52pm |
re: #804 Semi Cartman
It is not the public, or me, or the "right wing" that's cracking up, though. It's others, who I dare not name, who seem to have bitten off far more than they can chew.
What's that supposed to mean?
816 | Gus Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:57:26pm |
re: #802 Last Mohican
I'm not sure this applies. Was Kostric in any cordoned-off area? I thought he was only outside of the event. And I don't see how he intended to disrupt the event, or succeeded in disrupting the event. All he did was stand there with his gun and his sign about how the president should be shot.
Right. He would have to be within a protective zone I assume and "while willfully, knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions"
Of course there's also US Code Title 18, 3056 which says:
§ 3056. Powers, authorities, and duties of United States Secret Service
(C) make arrests without warrant for any offense against the United States committed in their presence, or for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such felony;
817 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:58:13pm |
OK, before I fall to the floor:
The antediluvian far right
Has told all their dupes they must go fight
For something that passed
Ere the first lot was cast.
Do not fret, you're just one more poor dumb shite.
818 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:00:51pm |
819 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:03:39pm |
This Cato the Elder speaks well
Of those souls bent on going to Hell
In a form so capricious
It's almost mendrecious
When I try to mimic his excellent...
Aw. shit.
820 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:03:48pm |
821 | Gus Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:03:56pm |
re: #818 Last Mohican
It's a semi-flounce.
Is that like a flaccid flounce!? /
People are always like that. The subject might be about a "tornado that hit Topeka, Kansas" and then they'll come along and say something to the effect of "how dare you talk about a tornado in Kansas when a typhoon just hit Japan!"
822 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:04:51pm |
re: #820 LudwigVanQuixote
Do they know Irena?
///
I remember Masha.
Damn, that was a fine summer romance.
823 | MrPaulRevere Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:05:20pm |
re: #818 Last Mohican
"It's a semi-flounce." Is that like a half-gainer?
825 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:06:45pm |
826 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:07:15pm |
827 | MrPaulRevere Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:07:38pm |
Seriously, someone should inform the gun-toting Paulbot that with rights come responsibilities.
828 | esch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:08:19pm |
//Paranoia on
I think they let him go because they know about 10000 pissed off union guys now know where this guy lives. Easier that way.
//Paranoia off
829 | Gus Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:10:13pm |
re: #828 esch
//Paranoia on
I think they let him go because they know about 10000 pissed off union guys now know where this guy lives. Easier that way.
//Paranoia off
The Bilderberg Blackhawks are hovering above and the CFR microwaves are targeting his home!
//
830 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:10:22pm |
re: #822 victor_yugo
I remember Masha.
Damn, that was a fine summer romance.
Was she the one from the biologist Maoist collective that promoted stem cell research, or was that the Masha from the strict Stalinist population eugenics and psychology collective that was working on finding ways to convince the elderly that they want to be euthanized for the good of the state?
831 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:10:45pm |
re: #826 victor_yugo
And half-assed, too.
Maybe half of what former LGF user Cartman would have said, if he weren't blocked?
832 | MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:12:17pm |
re: #822 victor_yugo
I remember Masha.
Damn, that was a fine summer romance.
"MASHA! MASHA! MASHA!"
Guess who?
833 | MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:13:19pm |
re: #811 NY Nana
I'm gonna' drop you a line from my yahoo account tomorrow.
834 | Last Mohican Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:13:32pm |
835 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:14:57pm |
re: #828 esch
//Paranoia on
I think they let him go because they know about 10000 pissed off union guys now know where this guy lives. Easier that way.
//Paranoia off
Not.
He'll die of old age and chronic stupidity at the hands of a jealous Stormfront husband whose preferred granddaughter he's bonking.
836 | esch Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:17:33pm |
837 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:20:44pm |
re: #808 Sharmuta
I would have liked it more if you referred to it as a polemic, but I will take what I can get. {smooch!}
I once had a subscription to Playboy, but I let it expire. I get that they would have something of a liberal slant, considering their product, but they took liberal and barged right into ideologue leftist.
My distaste for their publication started with their "OMG! Those idiot militia types we used to ridicule as balls out crazy for their 'black helicopters' and 'FEMA concentration camps' during the Clinton admin. are now totally spot on and relevant under this Bush admin.", and ended with their fluff piece on domestic terrorist Rodney Coranado's right to free speech.
I can not stand the partisan nincompoopery of Animal Farm Ideologues.
/I would have canceled my subscription, but what red blooded, American, hetero male wants to be the only dude in the nation, perhaps the world, to ever cancel a subscription to Playboy that is already paid for?
838 | MandyManners Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:20:48pm |
839 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:21:23pm |
re: #830 LudwigVanQuixote
Was she the one from the biologist Maoist collective that promoted stem cell research, or was that the Masha from the strict Stalinist population eugenics and psychology collective that was working on finding ways to convince the elderly that they want to be euthanized for the good of the state?
Neither. She was born near Kazan under Brezhnev, attained adulthood under Gorbachev, and still retained a lot of the Soviet fatalism. But she escorted two Russian Orthodox icons back to their proper home (I was their last custodian while in exile), so perhaps the Lord will hold that in her favor on Judgment Day.
re: #834 Last Mohican
Jan Brady's cousin from Boston?
ROFLMFAO!1!1!1one
840 | Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:21:30pm |
re: #835 Cato the Elder
Not.
He'll die of old age and chronic stupidity at the hands of a jealous Stormfront husband whose preferred granddaughter he's bonking.
Must be time for bed.
I meant to say "[...] of shotgun wounds [...] at the hands of a jealous Stormfront patriarch [...]".
Either that, or one of Obama's Death Panels.
G'night.
841 | victor_yugo Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:23:16pm |
re: #837 Slumbering Behemoth
/I would have canceled my subscription, but what red blooded, American, hetero male wants to be the only dude in the nation, perhaps the world, to ever cancel a subscription to Playboy that is already paid for?
Smart dudes pay cash for it at the local 7-11.
842 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:25:05pm |
re: #841 victor_yugo
Smart dudes pay cash for it at the local 7-11.
Ha! Smarter dude get that shit for free on the interwebs.
/learned my lesson...
843 | Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:28:06pm |
re: #742 realwest
Hello, my friend! I hope today finds you well!
844 | I Need A Bigger Gun Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:37:28pm |
re: #59 Charles
I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.
Hell yes I condemn it. I wouldn't bring my gun into a freaking Wal-Mart, much less in the vicinity of the POTUS. The Secret Service seems to have a problem with loaded handguns in his general area.
845 | SixDegrees Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:49:04pm |
re: #674 Pawn of the Oppressor
Even though carry in NYC will never happen, I have to admit, the idea of eight million gun-ignorant New Yorkers being allowed to legally carry handguns frightens me. I'm thinking, like, weekly double-digit body counts from negligent discharges... If there was to be a blanket federal CHL, it would need to come with big fat training subsidies for the left coast city dwellers! Yeesh.
Fair enough. But when we got a state-wide concealed carry law here in Michigan, it came with a mandatory training requirement whose cost is born by applicants. It's a pretty rigorous course, including safety, maintenance and legal education.
Similar predictions - the cities will be ankle deep in blood, etc. - were made prior to passage. It's been in place for several years now, and shootings went way down immediately after it was passed - criminals apparently think twice now when anyone in the store or on the street may not only be carrying, but may actually know how to use a gun.
846 | SixDegrees Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:53:39pm |
re: #83 Charles
I'm a gun owner, by the way. The retired sergeant who taught my ROTC gun safety class in high school would have beaten that Ron Paul-voting "sovereign citizen" loser into a pulp, the first time he showed a sign of acting like that.
"Sovereign citizen"? That's a blast from the past. The reactionary anti-tax loons in our area used to refer to themselves with that description 25 years ago, when they were caught shoplifting in the store I was working at, as a justification for stealing merchandise. The rationalization was that the state sales tax (and all other taxes) were illegal, based on some process that didn't quite rise to the level of "thought", so they had been "overcharged" for years and were simply taking back what they were owed in goods instead of cash.
Sounds like the Ronulans have made a new set of friends out there on the fringe.
847 | SixDegrees Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:05:24am |
re: #116 ladycatnip
#99 Flyovercountry
Hmmm, he definitely looked and sounded stupid enough to be a leftist. Maybe we should read Alinsky's rules to see whether this is a tactic or not, as I wouldn't put this past them - a little digging would shed the light on this.
Either way, left-nut or right-wingnut, he should be in jail for taking a gun to the location where our president would be. I'd see that as a definite threat.
Actually, the sign itself is more than enough to be construed as a threat, and is sufficient just cause to lock this troglodyte in a basement somewhere for a few hours, until the POTUS is well out of the area.
848 | mrbaracuda Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:09:10am |
Did anyone see it coming that the Paultards happens to be a nutjob? :-D
849 | Fiery Red XIII Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:39:41am |
Why is following laws and being armed bad? Why is open carry bad, but concealed ok? He was not at the meeting, he was blocks down the road. He had a permit and the gun was his, he had permission to be on THAT property (NOT the property that BHO was speaking at). Hell, all the police and Secret Service had guns MUCH closer to the president. I'm sorry, but I don't understand the big deal about this. He obeyed the law, was NOT at that meeting, was checked out by police (trust me, that means the USSS knew too), and was peaceful, though I admit his sign was stoopid (Alice Cooper spelling intentional). Who he voted for doesn't matter, Chris Matthews doesn't matter. Move on, grow up, and learn that guns aren't evil, even ones visible but holstered. Pay attention to the real news, like BHO saying repeatedly that he "will not sign a bill that adds to the deficit".
Red
850 | SixDegrees Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:27:52am |
re: #849 Fiery Red XIII
He was carrying a sign which was an implicit threat against the President's life, and he was carrying a gun.
More then enough reason to haul his dumb ass in for a long enough period of questioning to ensure that the President was somewhere else by the time it ended.
851 | haakondahl Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:48:50am |
re: #83 Charles
I'm a gun owner, by the way. The retired sergeant who taught my ROTC gun safety class in high school would have beaten that Ron Paul-voting "sovereign citizen" loser into a pulp, the first time he showed a sign of acting like that.
You mean that's not a violin in the case?
852 | BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:49:44am |
re: #846 SixDegrees
"Sovereign citizen"? That's a blast from the past. The reactionary anti-tax loons in our area used to refer to themselves with that description 25 years ago, when they were caught shoplifting in the store I was working at, as a justification for stealing merchandise. The rationalization was that the state sales tax (and all other taxes) were illegal, based on some process that didn't quite rise to the level of "thought", so they had been "overcharged" for years and were simply taking back what they were owed in goods instead of cash.
Sounds like the Ronulans have made a new set of friends out there on the fringe.
The Soveriegn Citizen movement has been making a comeback.
[Link: www.adl.org...]
I believe, although I'd have to check, that Scott Roeder had some loose ties to them as well.
853 | RebelDebater Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:20:43am |
It was dumb for him to come with a gun. But OBVIOUSLY (for all you little sheep out there) it was clear that there was no security threat to POTUS. Otherwise the guy would have been on the ground in handcuffs in less than a second.
854 | freetoken Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:48:03am |
855 | BruxellesBlog Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:16:07am |
re: #467 Charles
Charles, with all due respect, it is very possible to be concerned about the government's actions at Ruby Ridge and not be a racist. You are seriously engaging in a fairly egregious ad hominem attack with this line of reasoning. Randy Weaver was a POS, no doubt, but I think reasonable people can question what the government did at Ruby Ridge and not suddenly feel the need to join Aryan Nations, no?
The fact is nothing in what he said in the interview or his obvious concerns over civil liberties at Ruby Ridge can be construed as racist.
Is he a jerk? Sure, yes. But he wanted to prove a point, and, regardless of what a wennie he is, he did not break the law in NH. In addition, he was 75 yards from the event and the police and Secret Service determined he did not pose a threat. He had permission to be where he was standing on private property.
[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]
"Monsieur l'abbé, je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire"
Norbert Guterman "A Book of French Quotations"
856 | BlueRoses Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:17:08am |
re: #40 Mich-again
Cudos to Arlen Specter for how he handled the scene. And after the one ranting guy early on, I thought the people in the crowd displayed good behavior and the questions were respectful.
People are angry. Huge surprise.
I think these senators could also show the people attending respect by honestly answering their questions rather than bull shitting them.
A specific answer to a specific question would be quite a change.
857 | BlueRoses Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:37:02am |
re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, I wouldn't bet on him in a fight with some of these ladies.
Why are so many people frightened? Not by Obama per se. I personally like Obama but who will follow him? Can I trust the next guy? When government is trying to change a good portion of our economy and head in another direction maybe people do sound shrill and upset. And when they work up the courage to speak up they are criticized for sounding loud, shrill whatever word suits you?
People are frightened and upset both by this health care 'reform' and by the exploding deficit. Maybe they should be listened to and heeded.
I was forced to join Medicare as all people of a certain age are forced to join Medicare. There are healthy penalties if you don't join so in effect you are penalized for any delay in enrollment.
We pay $9,800.00 yearly for additional medical insurance to pay for what our 'free' Medicare doesn't cover. I can understand why angry and frightened people who may be on Medicare alone are standing up in town meetings and shouting .
858 | Gus Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:44:11am |
Right, sheep. I'm surprised he didn't use the Alex Jones versions of sheeple.
Interestingly enough the sign this mutant William Kostrick was holding had a link to a site called restoretherepublic dot com which of course is another front "group" for Ron Paul, nirthers, and other Bilderberg and conspiracy kooks. Found this garbage at their site by conspiracy nut, Des Griffin:
That the Rothschilds are Jewish and that their commitment has always been fully towards Judaism is of no doubt. Reports of Mayer Amschel Rothschild consulting and debating the Talmud on a regular basis with Orthodox Rabbis are recorded in Rothschild history, and subsequently, the Rothschilds became the primary moving force behind world Zionism (see the “Balfour Declaration”). Furthermore, in addition to all of the above, the pattern of historical Zionist successes in the 20th century clearly proves that the Rothschilds and their conspirators and collaborators are in control of the plan of the Illuminati for one-world government under the New World Order, and are the prevailing influence in the world since the beginning of the 19th century. And what better government to control could there be in the world for intrepid international financiers such as the Rothschilds and their conspirators and collaborators...
LUCIFERS NETWORK Masters Of The New World Order connects individuals, banks, oil cartels, foundations, organizations, corporations, and the main ringleaders who have NETWORKED the world into a MASTER PLAN for a NEW WORLD ORDER OF GLOBAL GOVERNMENT. Unlike other books about GLOBAL CONSPIRACIES, Sunstar#65533;s work is detailed, thorough, and will answer questions you have been asking about concerning CONSPIRACY THEORIES surrounding GLOBALIZATION.
Or more insane drivel from someone calling himself "Nick":
I have twice mentioned the fact that Obama is bringing in the whole cabal from the Clinton administration. Why? Waco, Oklahoma City, and Ruby Ridge just to name a couple of domestic terror activities perpetrated by these people. While Clinton portrayed himself as a man of the people, his staff of thugs was about the country murdering and terrorizing our fellow citizens, and gearing us up to perceive labels as reality rather than fact as the proof.
Obama wants to continue in the same mode. There is already talk about complete disarmament of the American people, with youth brigades patrolling the streets. These are not the ideas of a man who is for the people, or wishes to see them safe in their homes.
These are just a few examples found at that site which gives us another glimpse into the mind of William Kostric.
859 | Perplexed Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:00:11am |
You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Obama care is coming to town
He's making a list
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice
Obama care is coming to town
He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake!
O! You better watch out!
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Obama care is coming to town
860 | EaterOfFood Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:02:32am |
re: #420 Charles
But when a white nationalist starts telling you about the Constitution, if you sit there and listen and nod your head you're an idiot.
As a Jew I can't even look at a white nationalist without shouting obscenities and worse.
861 | Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:30:19am |
re: #777 rynloran
The dude's pretty smart. This whole "Har har, he voted Ron Paul, he must be a looney!" is pretty tired and stupid.
Mathews is being a ridiculous 'tard. We have a right to carry guns. Not our fault people are afraid of them.
I've seen people handle an intrusive interview far worse than this guy. Give him credit where it's due.
Get off my website. I'm tired of you people who make excuses for outrageous stunts like this.
862 | Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:32:59am |
I just found a creep with the name "BlueRoses" who's been banned four times previously going through this thread and dinging up all the supporters of extremism. That account is now blocked.
863 | Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:34:56am |
re: #813 Desert Dog
He held him in such contempt, he was probably trying his best not to go all spontaneous human combustion on him. You could see the disdain dripping off of Chrissy's makeup.
Matthews is absolutely right to hold this creep in contempt.
864 | drcordell Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:38:49am |
re: #863 Charles
Matthews is absolutely right to hold this creep in contempt.
Agreed. I still wish he would give some of these nuts a little bit of slack to hang themselves with their own rope before repeatedly shouting them down though. Let him get a word in first and then shout him down.
865 | Drider Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:40:05am |
This zoo stuff is just disgusting.
We need to sit back and calmly and passively ask questions while these politicians lie to their hearts content (See Obama's speech yesterday).
If we would just shut up and be respectful while they continue to crap on us we would have this large part of the socialized jigsaw puzzle in place and we can all get on with (whats left) of our lives.
Fuggin AstroTurfing, code pinker types...Like two peas in a pod.
Where's the /sarc button...I don't see a /sarc button!!
866 | Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:52:12am |
re: #855 BruxellesBlog
Charles, with all due respect, it is very possible to be concerned about the government's actions at Ruby Ridge and not be a racist. You are seriously engaging in a fairly egregious ad hominem attack with this line of reasoning. Randy Weaver was a POS, no doubt, but I think reasonable people can question what the government did at Ruby Ridge and not suddenly feel the need to join Aryan Nations, no?
Sorry, but if you call Randy Weaver a "hero," then yes, you are absolutely supporting white supremacism. Weaver was a disgusting human being, regardless of the situation at Ruby Ridge, and anyone who thinks he was a hero is a racist by definition.
Is he a jerk? Sure, yes. But he wanted to prove a point, and, regardless of what a wennie he is, he did not break the law in NH. In addition, he was 75 yards from the event and the police and Secret Service determined he did not pose a threat. He had permission to be where he was standing on private property.
Only a fool or a psycho brings a loaded gun to a presidential event. Period.
867 | jordash1212 Wed, Aug 12, 2009 10:08:52am |
Arlen Specter just bumbled around and made everything worse.
868 | Greengolem64 Wed, Aug 12, 2009 10:37:26am |
re: #113 Sharmuta
One could say that maybe the LE types were "profiling" this guy?
Now, of course everyone has "profiling" right in there with all the other bad words...but, recognize that profiling is used ALL the time...not just in Law Enforcement but in all types of venues...and if done correctly can be a VERY effective tool.
The "problem" people seem to have (or think they have) with profiling is that they think profiling automatically leads to 'something bad', or singling out a specific group. Done properly, profiling would, as Sharmuta says, put this guy on a list to be watched. Nobody is infringing on his rights...but, if you do something this stupid expect to be watched...
v/r
GG
869 | papajohn Wed, Aug 12, 2009 10:37:52am |
re: #861 Charles
Wow, really? Exercising our constitutional rights are "stupid stunts" now.
870 | Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 12, 2009 10:51:35am |
re: #869 papajohn
Wow, really? Exercising our constitutional rights are "stupid stunts" now.
Are you nuts? You're seriously going to try to argue there's nothing wrong with carrying a loaded gun and a threatening sign to a presidential appearance?
871 | papajohn Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:15:01am |
If he was present at the meeting itself. Yeah, absolutely but as someone else already posted, he was 75 yards from the building. C'mon, you know you're just railing on him for being a paulian.
What really drums me is people agreeing with Mathews. That type of interview is deplorable and no matter what the issue is should never agreed with. Americans deserve more than 30 second sound bites and talking points. Just let the guy answer the questions FFS. If he is a dumbass then we can decide for ourselves after the guy opens his mouth.
872 | gregb Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:15:31am |
re: #1 BatGuano
Paulian, of course.
OMG! That's guy's a complete nutcase--if not a full borderline threat. As much as I can't stand Matthews, why did he even give him a platform to speak?
873 | CommonCents Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:30:24am |
re: #30 jcm
HCAN (Health Care for American Now)
Who are they?
ACORN
SEIU
and fellow travelers.
Nice list of communists. I've never heard of this group 'National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance'.
If we accept and it becomes the norm how does that bring down medical costs when proven research shows that obesity increases medical costs?
874 | bubbasbbq Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:02:34pm |
Being a NH gun dealer, I can say that. an out of state LTC license is $20 not $100.
Second, it IS legal to open carry, but I discourage all my customers from doing so. it is a good way to invite trouble, legal and otherwise.
And you don't want trouble, do you?
875 | DM Glampers Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:19:58pm |
Maybe I'm missing something, but if he were close enough to PresBO, wouldn't the secret service have had something to say about his sidearm?
I thought he was well-spoken and polite and carefully considered the questions being asked before answering.
I don't see how the fact he is a Ron Paul supporter has any bearing on the question at hand. (No, I am not one myself, promise. Really, check my posts (I know, it's been a while. I'm in a residency and have been only lurking lately.)
I've cringed more lately at people with whom I agree due to their lack of knowledge about the subject, their utter inability to craft a logical argument, or their overall chip-on-the-shoulder demeanor.
Give the guy a break. I have no reason to doubt his answers (yet).
I think he should have asked Chris if he may only exercise his 1st and 2nd amendment rights at different times. Before you come down on me, I know his sign was too provocative based on the fact he was packin' heat.
//Ramble off
876 | y0kkles Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:41:27pm |
Aren't most people on here best classified as libertarians or conservatives?
If so, wouldn't we mainly be against national health care?
Why then, are we spending all of this time bashing some of the protesters who are on the same side of the issue as us? Surely some are out of line, surely some hold other weird beliefs that we do not agree with. But this is a side issue. The argument needs to be shifted back to health care itself. Not the an argument about the protests.
So why aren't there any posts speaking out against this health care?
Also, for every person who gets out of line at one of these town halls, are there not 100 people who go and behave themselves? I would think so. So why are we falling for the left wing medias attempt to paint ALL of these people are radical nuts?
This is a red herring.
877 | keithgabryelski Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:21:21pm |
re: #876 y0kkles
So why aren't there any posts speaking out against this health care?
Read the front page. There is a article designed to ask questions about health care. This article is on crazies disrupting legitimate debate.
Also, for every person who gets out of line at one of these town halls, are there not 100 people who go and behave themselves? I would think so. So why are we falling for the left wing medias attempt to paint ALL of these people are radical nuts?
In this case, we have a man that has a gun prominently on display with a sign that advocates the assassination of a United States President.
Do you not consider that a worthy subject for discussion?
Just to catch you up:
His sign said:
It's time to refresh the tree of liberty
Which comes from Thomas Jefferson:
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Which just happened to be on the back of Tim McVeigh's t-shirt when he was captured.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Do you not think this is a little interesting?
878 | keithgabryelski Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:25:19pm |
re: #871 papajohn
If he was present at the meeting itself. Yeah, absolutely but as someone else already posted, he was 75 yards from the building. C'mon, you know you're just railing on him for being a paulian.
He was opening threatening The President of the United States of America. Are you not concerned in the least?
What really drums me is people agreeing with Mathews. That type of interview is deplorable and no matter what the issue is should never agreed with. Americans deserve more than 30 second sound bites and talking points. Just let the guy answer the questions FFS. If he is a dumbass then we can decide for ourselves after the guy opens his mouth.
Actually, this guy did fine on Hardball. It's Matthews that is the problem. He didn't challenge his lame (and debunked) justifications that people would be safer if everyone carried a gun. DEBUNKED.