Video: The War on Women’s Right to Choose
Spare tires, heroin, and the Republican Party’s total war on women’s rights
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darthstar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 6:48:29pm |
Charles...I don't think it's a very good idea to post this...if some of the female lizards watch it, it might give them some ideas...
//need I?
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researchok Tue, Jul 5, 2011 6:49:32pm |
These guys have earned every ounce of revulsion.
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laZardo Tue, Jul 5, 2011 6:51:05pm |
I've gone from having no respect for conservative ideology to having zero respect for anybody that holds it.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 5, 2011 6:52:31pm |
Guess what, guys, we women are aware of your war, and we aim to win.
Bite my ankles, fellows.
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JRCMYP Tue, Jul 5, 2011 6:53:01pm |
Charles, thank you for highlighting the recent assault on women's rights. I'm in my 40s and honestly never thought that this would happen in our country now. My child bearing years are over, but my children (all boys) will be caught in this nightmare with their partners. So, on behalf of myself and my very young sons, I thank you for being a voice of reason. Because although men aren't the one's forced to carry to term, they are still effected by this intrusion.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 6:53:58pm |
re: #4 Floral Giraffe
Guess what, guys, we women are aware of your war, and we aim to win.
Bite my ankles, fellows.
mmrrraow! fft! Bring it, babe. (///seriously...I'm only kidding)
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 5, 2011 6:55:37pm |
re: #6 darthstar
We are going to win.
It's like being able to vote.
Once we get a right, good luck taking it away.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 6:57:17pm |
On a more serious side, it's at least comforting to think that many of these self righteous assholes will find their vote from women severely lowered next time around and you can't win without the women behind you.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:00:10pm |
Ho hum, just another day of the Republican party promoting individual freedom and limited government.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:01:40pm |
re: #10 Kid A
Ho hum, just another day of the Republican party promoting individual freedom and limited government.
///
Government so small it wants to base itself in a uterus.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:03:03pm |
re: #11 darthstar
Government so small it wants to base itself in a uterus.
Someone here a week or so ago said something along the same lines: "Government so small, it fits in your bedroom." It was about as perfect as it gets.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:03:49pm |
re: #11 darthstar
Government so small it wants to base itself in a uterus.
Those of us, uterati will conqueror them.
Easily.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:03:59pm |
If you want a Republican to care about you, remain a fetus.
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:05:30pm |
re: #11 darthstar
Government so small it wants to base itself in a uterus.
But large enough it can insure its mandates are met.
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sod Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:05:36pm |
re: #9 darthstar
On a more serious side, it's at least comforting to think that many of these self righteous assholes will find their vote from women severely lowered next time around and you can't win without the women behind you.
All women are pro-choice?
Yes, I know you didn't say that.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:07:37pm |
re: #9 darthstar
On a more serious side, it's at least comforting to think that many of these self righteous assholes will find their vote from women severely lowered next time around and you can't win without the women behind you.
Sadly, I'm afraid that, by the time they come up for reelection, the damage will have already been done. The bills and laws they are forcing through now with their temporary majorities may take years or even decades to fully wipe from the books, doing a great deal of damage in the mean time. Worse, supposing one of these laws should be challenged in the courts and taken to the present Supreme Court, they may establish precedent that makes them virtually impossible to remove or even overturn RvW.
No, I can't really find much comfort in the belief that these men and very deluded women will face the consequences of their actions at the ballot boxes, because this nation will be facing the consequences of their actions for a long time to come.
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freetoken Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:09:33pm |
re: #14 Kid A
If you want a Republican to care about you, remain a fetus.
Unless you're a poor fetus...
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darthstar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:09:48pm |
re: #16 sod
All women are pro-choice?
Yes, I know you didn't say that.
No, definitely not. I simply said most women find self-righteous assholes to be revolting (I was a self-righteous asshole in my youth, so I speak from experience).
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jaunte Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:11:05pm |
re: #18 freetoken
You could call them "native-born fruit pickers."
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:11:23pm |
re: #18 freetoken
Unless you're a poor fetus...
If you want a Republican to care about you, remain a fetus if you're poor and a minority.
Fixed.
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albusteve Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:12:55pm |
re: #19 darthstar
No, definitely not. I simply said most women find self-righteous assholes to be revolting (I was a self-righteous asshole in my youth, so I speak from experience).
the peasants are revolting!
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:13:27pm |
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:16:55pm |
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:18:48pm |
re: #24 jamesfirecat
Hey EVERY sperm is sacred!
Ah, the good ole days before the GOP started the self parody.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:20:54pm |
re: #14 Kid A
If you want a Republican to care about you, remain a fetus.
Now now, that's not entirely true, from the Republican POV becoming clinically brain dead is a perfectly viable alternative.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:23:13pm |
re: #26 goddamnedfrank
Now now, that's not entirely true, from the Republican POV becoming clinically brain dead is a perfectly viable alternative.
Terry Schiavo? I am so glad I jumped off this Republican Titanic in 2006, those icebergs were getting closer and closer.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:25:43pm |
Anyone know what this image is supposed to signify to the wingnut brain?
[Link: twitter.com...]
Obama smoking a dozen cigarettes at once, wearing a hat made out of hundreds of cigarettes. It's surreal hatred.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:26:32pm |
re: #28 Charles
Anyone know what this image is supposed to signify to the wingnut brain?
[Link: twitter.com...]
Obama smoking a dozen cigarettes at once, wearing a hat made out of hundreds of cigarettes. It's surreal hatred.
808 followers speaks volumes.
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:26:36pm |
re: #18 freetoken
Unless you're a poor fetus...
An interesting article.
SoHo Billboard: Womb is 'The Most Dangerous Place' for an African American
The money quote in my opinion.
"For all the brouhaha and alleged concern about Blacks being targeted by coercive abortion doctors, the pro-lifer’s deafening silence on the problems facing Black infants is quite conspicuous. I don’t see them putting up billboards and raising cane over high infant mortality rates due to poor nutrition or inadequate healthcare. They don’t address other real threats to Black children – asthma, lead poisoning, food access, gun violence, the cradle-to-prison and school-to-prison pipelines, poverty, education discrimination and other effects of racism on life prospects. If pro-lifers are really worried about Black genocide there are plenty of other places to look besides Black women’s bellies. They’re all talk when the fetus is in the womb, but once these Black children are born, they say nothing."
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:28:33pm |
Teabag humor on parade.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:29:32pm |
re: #28 Charles
Anyone know what this image is supposed to signify to the wingnut brain?
[Link: twitter.com...]
Obama smoking a dozen cigarettes at once, wearing a hat made out of hundreds of cigarettes. It's surreal hatred.
This tweet told me all I need to know...
Barry_O44 Barry Obama
Shout out to Casey Anthony for being ahead of the curve & promoting @AlGore's population control #TeamJihad GP #p2 #tcot #cspj #twisters
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What, me worry? Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:33:46pm |
re: #28 Charles
Anyone know what this image is supposed to signify to the wingnut brain?
[Link: twitter.com...]
Obama smoking a dozen cigarettes at once, wearing a hat made out of hundreds of cigarettes. It's surreal hatred.
Especially since I think he quit.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:36:55pm |
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:37:22pm |
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:37:25pm |
re: #33 marjoriemoon
Especially since I think he quit.
Well, I hope he had better luck than me. I didn't just fall of the wagon, I jumped. Back up to the same level. 1 pack a day.
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freetoken Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:38:03pm |
Monsoon storms trying to make it over the mountains.
Love it when this happens in the evening - the sky turns yellow, making the thirsty plants' faded greens look more verdant.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:38:38pm |
Chilling. Fucking chilling.
You assholes are going to awaken a sleeping giant.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:39:53pm |
re: #4 Floral Giraffe
Floral! I've missed you girl!
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What, me worry? Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:40:10pm |
re: #36 Bubblehead II
Well, I hope he had better luck than me. I didn't just fall of the wagon, I jumped. Back up to the same level. 1 pack a day.
Yea well, it ain't easy, I know.
Smoking Obama's profile is pretty nasty.
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Spocomptonite Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:40:19pm |
re: #4 Floral Giraffe
Guess what, guys, we women are aware of your war, and we aim to win.
Bite my ankles, fellows.
On the contrary, many of us of the Y-chromosome persuasion will take up in arms and join your side in this war.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:41:10pm |
re: #38 Stanley Sea
Chilling. Fucking chilling.
You assholes are going to awaken a sleeping giant.
The giant never should have went to sleep. These assholes never did. One thing I will give the wingnuts credit for: tenacity.
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freetoken Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:41:38pm |
R♽MNEY trying to win the absurd-comment-of-the-day award:
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darthstar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:41:55pm |
re: #41 Spocomptonite
On the contrary, many of us of the Y-chromosome persuasion will take up in arms and join your side in this war.
But only if we don't have to ask directions or put the seat down.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:42:17pm |
re: #2 researchok
These guys have earned every ounce of revulsion.
I don't think they have earned enough.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:42:26pm |
re: #41 Spocomptonite
On the contrary, many of us of the Y-chromosome persuasion will take up in arms and join your side in this war.
First time I called my husband a feminist, he got pissed. He says there shouldn't be such a word. The correct term is humanist.
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Spocomptonite Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:42:53pm |
re: #43 freetoken
R♽MNEY trying to win the absurd-comment-of-the-day award:
I'm sorry, but in context with the above comments about smoking, this made me LOL.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:43:12pm |
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:43:30pm |
re: #38 Stanley Sea
"Chilling. Fucking chilling.
You assholes are going to awaken a sleeping giant."
Yep. And when it does awaken and stomps, I hope that it twists it foot back and forth a few times to insure that whatever remains is ground into the ground.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:44:01pm |
re: #3 laZardo
I've gone from having no respect for conservative ideology to having zero respect for anybody that holds it.
I'm getting there, myself.
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Spocomptonite Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:45:38pm |
re: #47 Spocomptonite
I'm sorry, but in context with the above comments about smoking, this made me LOL.
The title made me laugh. Now that I've read the article, its more like teeth gnashing and eye rolling.
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Digital Display Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:46:59pm |
you lizards are so lucky I'm not POTUS.. My first executive order would be legalize Cuban Cigars...I would paint Air Force one like Soul Plane with the little spinney hubcaps...I'd play golf every day...
I'd declare every human would have equal rights in the USA.. No matter what..I'd hire the Boss as our SOS...
///
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darthstar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:48:01pm |
re: #52 HoosierHoops
The little spinney hubcaps just locked in my vote.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:48:34pm |
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:50:21pm |
re: #43 freetoken
R♽MNEY trying to win the absurd-comment-of-the-day award:
Maybe we can ask America's number one enemy for damn near a decade now Osama Bin Laden what he thinks of our president...
What's that Osama?
You say you can't answer because Our President dispatched a team of Navy Seals to hunt you down even into one of own allies territories without bothering to tell them first just to be sure we tracked you down, shot you in the face and dumped you into the ocean? Why yes Obama sure does carry a "small" stick!
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albusteve Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:52:13pm |
re: #48 moderatelyradicalliberal
He's so fucking lame.
so whatever became of all the intense negotiation regarding sanctions against Iran?...the talks that ended with crippling international trade sanctions backed by the Russians and Chinese?...BO's triumph over radical Islam in Iran....what was that all about?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:52:40pm |
re: #42 moderatelyradicalliberal
The giant never should have went to sleep. These assholes never did. One thing I will give the wingnuts credit for: tenacity.
Yeah, you are correct. It's fucked up how we felt the law was on our side. I've always said I will go lay on a train track for this cause. Damn it, I am letting it get that close.
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Interesting Times Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:54:15pm |
re: #57 Stanley Sea
Yeah, you are correct. It's fucked up how we felt the law was on our side.
The RATS (Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Scalia) most definitely aren't.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:54:32pm |
re: #55 jamesfirecat
Maybe we can ask America's number one enemy for damn near a decade now Osama Bin Laden what he thinks of our president...
What's that Osama?
You say you can't answer because Our President dispatched a team of Navy Seals to hunt you down even into one of own allies territories without bothering to tell them first just to be sure we tracked you down, shot you in the face and dumped you into the ocean? Why yes Obama sure does carry a "small" stick!
This is what President Obama should say to Romney
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:58:28pm |
re: #56 albusteve
so whatever became of all the intense negotiation regarding sanctions against Iran?...the talks that ended with crippling international trade sanctions backed by the Russians and Chinese?...BO's triumph over radical Islam in Iran...what was that all about?
I was commenting specifically about his lame ass attempt at turning Teddy Roosevelt's famous phrase.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 7:59:38pm |
re: #21 Kid A
If you want a Republican to care about you, remain a fetus if you're poor and a minority.
Fixed.
Don't be a Black fetus, though. Bill Bennett (R - Socially Retarded) won't like you.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:00:14pm |
Nite all. Going to get Japanese. Between this post and the racist twitters posted, I am grumpy. Hopefully monkfish liver will help. Oh and saki.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:01:03pm |
re: #62 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Don't be a Black fetus, though. Bill Bennett (R - Socially Retarded) won't like you.
I'm not sure they like little Mexican fetuses though. They could be terrorist anchor babies or some shit.
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BongCrodny Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:03:22pm |
I'm probably more pro-choice than most people here. I've yet to be convinced of the validity of banning even third trimester pregnancies.
People who vote a socially conservative ticket if that's what they truly believe: I don't have any problem with that.
I've got a lot more scorn reserved for people who claim to be pro-choice and/or socially moderate but vote for assholes like these because they're supposedly better on taxes.
You can pretty much stick every Libertarian I've ever known in that category.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:05:24pm |
re: #65 BongCrodny
I'm probably more pro-choice than most people here. I've yet to be convinced of the validity of banning even third trimester pregnancies.
I'm with you on this...Respecting a woman's right to choose has nothing to do with disrespecting the sanctity of life - in fact, it shows just how much one values the life of a woman.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:05:47pm |
re: #65 BongCrodny
I'm probably more pro-choice than most people here. I've yet to be convinced of the validity of banning even third trimester pregnancies.
People who vote a socially conservative ticket if that's what they truly believe: I don't have any problem with that.
I've got a lot more scorn reserved for people who claim to be pro-choice and/or socially moderate but vote for assholes like these because they're supposedly better on taxes.
You can pretty much stick every Libertarian I've ever known in that category.
That's who I'm angry with too.
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researchok Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:06:05pm |
re: #28 Charles
Anyone know what this image is supposed to signify to the wingnut brain?
[Link: twitter.com...]
Obama smoking a dozen cigarettes at once, wearing a hat made out of hundreds of cigarettes. It's surreal hatred.
More like surreal stupid
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:07:09pm |
re: #30 Bubblehead II
An interesting article.
SoHo Billboard: Womb is 'The Most Dangerous Place' for an African American
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:10:09pm |
Night Lizards.
May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:10:27pm |
re: #64 moderatelyradicalliberal
I'm not sure they like little Mexican fetuses though. They could be terrorist anchor babies or some shit.
Mexican fetuses, Muslim fetuses, gay fetuses; any excuse to wallow in hate, they'll take it.
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:10:53pm |
re: #70 Bubblehead II
Night Lizards.
May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.
Khorne never smiles...
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darthstar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:14:04pm |
The internets are boring me tonight. Why doesn't Bill Gates put something good on for a change?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:14:40pm |
re: #73 darthstar
The internets are boring me tonight. Why doesn't Bill Gates put something good on for a change?
57 gazillion channels and nothing on...
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lostlakehiker Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:15:16pm |
re: #4 Floral Giraffe
Guess what, guys, we women are aware of your war, and we aim to win.
Bite my ankles, fellows.
True conservatives don't want women's rights revoked, because we don't want anyone's rights revoked.
Whoever it is who's beavering away trying to outlaw abortion, is not a conservative, but a zealot. Bright eyed, fanatical sorts have no patience for voting and mostly get exhausted and discouraged as nothing works. Sometimes they try their hand at violence but, being unable to regard anything in the cool light of what-next, they mostly fail at that too.
Once in a while they win, and we have Lord Protectors, or General Secretaries of the Party, or Fuehrers or Great Leaders or Dear Leaders.
These guys aren't going to get their way. Like with Intelligent Design, the courts will strike down the measures they do get passed.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:17:22pm |
re: #69 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Operator error.
This keeps happening.
Should read:
#30 Bubblehead II
SoHo Billboard: Womb is 'The Most Dangerous Place' for an African American
...
Looking through the long scope of American history, the only time when there was any genuine concern about Black women aborting babies was during slavery when Black procreation helped to sustain a cheap labor force, giving masters an economic incentive to govern Black women’s reproductive lives.
If anything makes today's dumb bigots wave those angry pickets and weep those hot tears of impotent rage, it's the idea of a woman with complete physical/bodily integrity. Not a thing has changed in this regard.
They’re all talk when the fetus is in the womb, but once these Black children are born, they say nothing."
Anybody who really believes today's social cons intend on moving past some time in 1850 can kid themselves, but they are not kidding me.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:20:58pm |
re: #75 lostlakehiker
True conservatives don't want women's rights revoked, because we don't want anyone's rights revoked.
No true scotsman logic.
There are plenty of kinds of cons. A certain segment of cons does indeed believe in expanded rights for themselves and curtailed rights for others. Oh yeah, and states lol.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:24:17pm |
re: #75 lostlakehiker
True conservatives don't want women's rights revoked, because we don't want anyone's rights revoked.
Whoever it is who's beavering away trying to outlaw abortion, is not a conservative, but a zealot. Bright eyed, fanatical sorts have no patience for voting and mostly get exhausted and discouraged as nothing works. Sometimes they try their hand at violence but, being unable to regard anything in the cool light of what-next, they mostly fail at that too.
Once in a while they win, and we have Lord Protectors, or General Secretaries of the Party, or Fuehrers or Great Leaders or Dear Leaders.
These guys aren't going to get their way. Like with Intelligent Design, the courts will strike down the measures they do get passed.
The modern day GOP seems to elect Zealots to True conservatives to the senate by a ratio of about 10 to 1......
Your party needs a serious house cleaning...
And Courts/Law are only on the side of Roe V Wade for as long as we have five liberals sitting on it.... if we have five people who are zealous enough.....
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:29:14pm |
re: #75 lostlakehiker
True conservatives don't want women's rights revoked, because we don't want anyone's rights revoked.
Whoever it is who's beavering away trying to outlaw abortion, is not a conservative, but a zealot. Bright eyed, fanatical sorts have no patience for voting and mostly get exhausted and discouraged as nothing works. Sometimes they try their hand at violence but, being unable to regard anything in the cool light of what-next, they mostly fail at that too.
Once in a while they win, and we have Lord Protectors, or General Secretaries of the Party, or Fuehrers or Great Leaders or Dear Leaders.
These guys aren't going to get their way. Like with Intelligent Design, the courts will strike down the measures they do get passed.
I have a question...
If this is the case, then who in elected office is a Conservative? And why aren't people voting for more of them? And if people aren't voting for real Conservatives... then maybe Conservatism really is dead.
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BongCrodny Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:33:01pm |
re: #75 lostlakehiker
Whoever it is who's beavering away trying to outlaw abortion, is not a conservative, but a zealot.
Dude, the video sez 470 bills, three times as many as last year.
That's a shitload of zealots masquerading as conservative.
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jaunte Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:34:55pm |
re: #75 lostlakehiker
Whoever it is who's beavering away trying to outlaw abortion, is not a conservative, but a zealot.
These are the people who are taking over the apparatus of government at the state level, for instance in the Texas SBOE:
Steven Schafersman: I have to explain that individuals such as Cynthia Dunbar and her six religious right colleagues on the State Board are not conservatives no matter how they define themselves. They are radicals. Unlike true conservatives such as Warren and Stevens who believe in liberty, radicals such as Dunbar, Bradley, McLeroy, Mercer, Leo, and Cargill are authoritarians. In my writings I have always characterized them as radicals and authoritarians, not conservatives and advocates of liberty. They call themselves conservative because the term has a more favorable appeal than the term radical, but that's just their framing. They also call themselves "conservative" rather than "fundamentalist" Christians for the same reason.
[Link: www.texasobserver.org...]
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Kronocide Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:37:57pm |
No True Conservative would outlaw abortion.
Then who are these fringe people?
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:38:40pm |
re: #82 BigPapa
No True Conservative would outlaw abortion.
Then who are these fringe people?
The GOP, the Tea Party, Evangelicals.
That fringe.
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Kronocide Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:38:50pm |
If women should plan ahead like we do with spare tires and insurance, should we have rape insurance?
Provided by the free market of course.
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:42:04pm |
All I can say is it's too bad with what happened with the Republican Party. This last thing this country needs is a one party political system. Of course it's bad enough we have this two party system as it is. I for one am certainly not happy with the direction the Democratic Party has taken. But at the same time I am not happy with the so called alternatives given to us by the Republican Party. America needs to wake up.
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laZardo Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:43:57pm |
re: #86 Gus 802
All I can say is it's too bad with what happened with the Republican Party. This last thing this country needs is a one party political system. Of course it's bad enough we have this two party system as it is. I for one am certainly not happy with the direction the Democratic Party has taken. But at the same time I am not happy with the so called alternatives given to us by the Republican Party. America needs to wake up.
If the Greens weren't being led by a raging anti-Semite then I'd happily campaign for them.
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jaunte Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:44:03pm |
You can use Rick Perry to see which way the zealot blows:
Perry Breaks with Big Business, Tx Republican Party and His Former Self
When news broke last week that Republican mega-donor and homebuilder Bob Perry and grocery store magnate Charles Butt had hired the high-dollar lobbying firm HillCo to kill or water down the controversial sanctuary cities bill, it seemed like a sure sign that the bill was dead.There was once a time when Gov. Rick Perry wouldn't dream of going against the wishes of big business. After all, this was the governor who, in 2003, essentially handed Bob Perry his own state agency.
Back in the days before Gov. Perry’s aspirations for national glory, the two millionaires could have likely quashed the sanctuary city bill—which would have allowed police to check people's immigration status—with a simple phone call.
But not this session.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:45:44pm |
re: #4 Floral Giraffe
Guess what, guys, we women are aware of your war, and we aim to win.
Bite my ankles, fellows.
Only a fool would try to bite a giraffe's ankles. You and yours kick too hard. :D
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:46:30pm |
OT, but after hearing about this, I will consider buying a Ford when I get my first car on my own.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:47:22pm |
Try getting a "Reagan Conservative" to define what it means. I tried with OkiefromMuscogee (Artist formerly known as Alaska Kim) here one night, and lost her at "Regan legalized abortion as California governor." it's good for a few laughs.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:47:24pm |
re: #87 laZardo
If the Greens weren't being led by a raging anti-Semite then I'd happily campaign for them.
The Greens are too far to the left to replace the GOP. America will be center-left or center-right, but its never going to be fully left or fully right. The USA is simply too diverse for that.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:47:36pm |
re: #38 Stanley Sea
Chilling. Fucking chilling.
You assholes are going to awaken a sleeping giant.
^_^
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laZardo Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:47:57pm |
re: #92 Dark_Falcon
The Greens are too far to the left to replace the GOP. America will be center-left or center-right, but its never going to be fully left or fully right. The USA is simply too diverse for that.
Democrats as center, Greens as left.
Hence, center-left.
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Kronocide Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:48:06pm |
As I read on another blog today, in 99.9% of cases, rape is not funny nor to be joked about. But in this case, to mock backwards morans, I thought it a worthy exception.
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:49:45pm |
re: #87 laZardo
If the Greens weren't being led by a raging anti-Semite then I'd happily campaign for them.
I was interested in the Greens back in the 80s when they were more of an environmentalist party. I was an environmentalist myself. Now, they've gone of the deep end with policy proposals I am not interested in. Their choosing McKinney to lead the party was a foolish decision.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:50:07pm |
re: #95 BigPapa
As I read on another blog today, in 99.9% of cases, rape is not funny nor to be joked about. But in this case, to mock backwards morans, I thought it a worthy exception.
was that meant to include the carlin link? :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:51:37pm |
re: #96 Gus 802
I was interested in the Greens back in the 80s when they were more of an environmentalist party. I was an environmentalist myself. Now, they've gone of the deep end with policy proposals I am not interested in. Their choosing McKinney to lead the party was a foolish decision.
the greens are a non starter
We need a real labor party to fight against center-right corporatist democrats, that would be the real "left"
But that would require a lot of shifts in the way we view race in America, and a lot less xenophobia
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:54:14pm |
re: #96 Gus 802
I want to protect the environment too, but the Greens have tended to be a bit over-focused on that.
I hope that some reforms can be put in place in order to allow a more multiparty system. In the meantime, I'll continue to be a Social Democrat, ala Sweden and Finland.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:54:21pm |
re: #86 Gus 802
All I can say is it's too bad with what happened with the Republican Party. This last thing this country needs is a one party political system. Of course it's bad enough we have this two party system as it is. I for one am certainly not happy with the direction the Democratic Party has taken. But at the same time I am not happy with the so called alternatives given to us by the Republican Party. America needs to wake up.
America is full of dull, superstitious xenophobes, it's already awake, sadly :/
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:54:29pm |
re: #98 WindUpBird
the greens are a non starter
We need a real labor party to fight against center-right corporatist democrats, that would be the real "left"
But that would require a lot of shifts in the way we view race in America, and a lot less xenophobia
While I'm not sure I would support a labor party I would support their inclusion into the political system. They would certainly provide a welcome change in the currently bipolar political mix. We need more parties and labor could be one of them.
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freetoken Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:55:16pm |
Well, the storms tried to make it over the mountains. The biggest cell sort of did but it's petering out pretty quickly. I think I heard three huge drops fall from the sky and hit some metal (a car?)... then nothing.
At least it is cooler.
re: #98 WindUpBird
In the US the "Green Party" is just a brand that has some recognition (due to international press reporting on legitimate Green Parties in other countries) - a brand that has been co-opted by a bunch of nuts.
I wish the US did have a legitimate "Green Party", whose fundamental doctrine would be long term prosperity through long term sustainability. But that is not going to happen for a long time, I think.
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laZardo Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:55:37pm |
BBL. Gotta go run and book my re: #100 WindUpBird
America is full of dull, superstitious xenophobes, it's already awake, sadly :/
And the ones that want to fight them will be awakened in turn.
Plus, I'll be heading to Seattle on the 24th, so that's one more to our ranks. :3
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:56:23pm |
re: #101 Gus 802
If things were able to change, what kind of parties do you think would appear in the place of the current two.
I can always see a niche for the Greens and Libertarians, but who else?
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laZardo Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:56:37pm |
re: #103 laZardo
BBL. Gotta go run and book my airline ticket. @_@ I know it's relatively short notice already.
That's what I get for not clearing out the post. FYI, mom's petition to get an immigrant visa got cleared. The requirement though is that I have to leave with her before it "expires" on the 24th.
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Kronocide Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:56:41pm |
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freetoken Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:57:04pm |
It does look like, though, that the AZ portion of the lower Colorado desert is getting some good rain.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:57:46pm |
Hope everyone's Fourth was safe and enjoyable. I was in New Orleans and enjoyed the people-watching.
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:57:50pm |
re: #99 ProLifeLiberal
I want to protect the environment too, but the Greens have tended to be a bit over-focused on that.
I hope that some reforms can be put in place in order to allow a more multiparty system. In the meantime, I'll continue to be a Social Democrat, ala Sweden and Finland.
I was very much a green back in the late 70s and 80s.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:57:53pm |
re: #102 freetoken
I guess the Green Party in Germany is the best example of a legitimate party in the international grouping.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:58:17pm |
re: #101 Gus 802
While I'm not sure I would support a labor party I would support their inclusion into the political system. They would certainly provide a welcome change in the currently bipolar political mix. We need more parties and labor could be one of them.
I would like a labor party to at least make the case to me, and make Democrats work for my vote, and start taking the middle class seriously. I would like Democrats to wish ill on Wall Street, but fat chance of that happening. Banksters always win!
Right now democrats don't need to work for my vote. because I have a normal political party that kind of sucks (Democrats) and I have gibbering mouthbreathers (GOP).
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:59:01pm |
re: #103 laZardo
BBL. Gotta go run and book my
And the ones that want to fight them will be awakened in turn.
Plus, I'll be heading to Seattle on the 24th, so that's one more to our ranks. :3
Only three hours from me!
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:59:30pm |
re: #111 WindUpBird
You're just full of hate! What do you have against gibbering mouth breathers?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 5, 2011 8:59:57pm |
re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You're just full of hate! What do you have against gibbering mouth breathers?
mirrors!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:00:32pm |
Samller parties emerging as major parties is unlikely. America has a two party system and that's unlikely to change.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:00:38pm |
re: #102 freetoken
Well, the storms tried to make it over the mountains. The biggest cell sort of did but it's petering out pretty quickly. I think I heard three huge drops fall from the sky and hit some metal (a car?)... then nothing.
At least it is cooler.
In the US the "Green Party" is just a brand that has some recognition (due to international press reporting on legitimate Green Parties in other countries) - a brand that has been co-opted by a bunch of nuts.I wish the US did have a legitimate "Green Party", whose fundamental doctrine would be long term prosperity through long term sustainability. But that is not going to happen for a long time, I think.
Quoted for truth on all counts
having a party that brands itself as Green first doesn't seem like it would work in America. We don't care, as a country. Sustainability is a garnish at best. Labor seems like a much better political brand.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:00:55pm |
re: #115 Dark_Falcon
Smaller parties emerging as major parties is unlikely. America has a two party system and that's unlikely to change.
PIMF
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:00:58pm |
re: #104 ProLifeLiberal
If things were able to change, what kind of parties do you think would appear in the place of the current two.
I can always see a niche for the Greens and Libertarians, but who else?
Well. On the left I would imagine Social Democrats or Progressives. Perhaps towards the right maybe something like a Bull Moose Party much like Teddy Roosevelt. Maybe something like Crunchy Cons? Or the Whigs. New ones could be formed. Be more like Europe.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:01:05pm |
re: #111 WindUpBird
and I have gibbering mouthbreathers (GOP).
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Reagan R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:01:25pm |
re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You're just full of hate! What do you have against gibbering mouth breathers?
They keep humping and making more of their accursed kind, for one :D
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:02:12pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:02:23pm |
re: #121 Gus 802
Be more like Europe! Gasp! ;)
//
Or the libertarian solution, be more like somalia :D
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:02:44pm |
re: #115 Dark_Falcon
Samller parties emerging as major parties is unlikely. America has a two party system and that's unlikely to change.
Never say never. Would anyone have guessed that the Tea Party would have such an impact? No, they're not a party but they could be.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:02:50pm |
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:03:52pm |
The Coffee Party. American Moderates. Centrist Party of America. Etc.
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laZardo Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:04:00pm |
re: #118 Gus 802
Well. On the left I would imagine Social Democrats or Progressives. Perhaps towards the right maybe something like a Bull Moose Party much like Teddy Roosevelt. Maybe something like Crunchy Cons? Or the Whigs. New ones could be formed. Be more like Europe.
When TR lost an election, he didn't start conspiracy theories about Woodrow Wilson. He just decided "fuck it" and embarked on a jungle adventure in the Amazon to a river named after him.
THAT IS HOW TO BEHAVE AFTER LOSING AN ELECTION, PEOPLE.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:04:26pm |
re: #126 Kid A
Euro weenie socialist!
/
where are my Reagan-orthodox quotes, I need to smear my naked body in them to get the socialism off
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:04:30pm |
re: #118 Gus 802
Exactly what I hope to see.
An example of this has been recently been seen in Sweden. When Sweden authorized force against Libya (!), 7 of the 8 major parties approved.
Not surprising, given the polling in support of the intervention there is about 65-66%
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:04:46pm |
re: #115 Dark_Falcon
Samller parties emerging as major parties is unlikely. America has a two party system and that's unlikely to change.
It will take one of the two to totally self destruct, and by recent history if the sitting Pres of one party getting impeached and leaving office mid-term or a sitting Pres of the other party getting caught for banging an intern in an hall adjacent to the Oval office I don't see either "major" party going anywhere and/or a third one emerging
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BongCrodny Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:05:19pm |
re: #104 ProLifeLiberal
If things were able to change, what kind of parties do you think would appear in the place of the current two.
I can always see a niche for the Greens and Libertarians, but who else?
Cue Ojoe in five...four...three...
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:06:06pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:06:11pm |
re: #100 WindUpBird
America is full of dull, superstitious xenophobes, it's already awake, sadly :/
Spoken like an left-coast left-winger. Anyone not liberal is just an ignorant buffoon in your eyes.
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:06:35pm |
So if America survives the next 500 years we're still going to have Republicans and Democrats? I find that idea to be rather strange. It reminds me a great deal of religion.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:06:51pm |
re: #134 Dark_Falcon
Spoken like an left-coast left-winger. Anyone not liberal is just an ignorant buffoon in your eyes.
umm,,,errrr,, can you translate that wiffout all them fancy book words!?!?!
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laZardo Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:06:51pm |
re: #130 ProLifeLiberal
Exactly what I hope to see.
An example of this has been recently been seen in Sweden. When Sweden authorized force against Libya (!), 7 of the 8 major parties approved.
Not surprising, given the polling in support of the intervention there is about 65-66%
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:07:03pm |
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Kronocide Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:07:09pm |
re: #132 BongCrodny
Cue Ojoe in five...four...three...
Whiggerbaggers. Yeah, saving 'Merica means WhiggerBaggers.
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:07:21pm |
re: #135 Gus 802
So if America survives the next 500 years we're still going to have Republicans and Democrats? I find that idea to be rather strange. It reminds me a great deal of religion.
Make that ONLY Democrats and Republicans.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:07:33pm |
re: #81 jaunte
These are the people who are taking over the apparatus of government at the state level, for instance in the Texas SBOE:
Steven Schafersman: I have to explain that individuals such as Cynthia Dunbar and her six religious right colleagues on the State Board are not conservatives no matter how they define themselves.
This is incorrect.
Dunbar is a Regent U (i.e. Pat Robertson's "university") grad. Schafersman is a little late to the party, trying to define that crowd out of "conservatism", since they've been at this for 40 years.
I have read many books about the origin of the United States and our Constitution, and historians all report that our Founders were motivated by Enlightenment philosophical principles of life, liberty, reason, human emancipation from authoritarian monarchs and clerical religions, private property rights, and other rights consistent with human freedom from tyranny, and not at all by traditional Christian principles (which frankly almost always oppose Enlightenment principles).
Depends on whose "tradition" he's talking about.
Schafersman should read up on the Second Great Awakening, especially the Restoration/Stone-Campbell movements, which were coming along right about the same time as the Founders. Long story short - this Awakening and Stone-Campbell movement spawned the Churches of Christ and Disciples of Christ denominations (which is a lot of denominations! Anyway...) Their sense that human reason was able to comprehend God and the Bible without the mediations of those old-country traditions that kept breaking up the Church comes directly out of the Enlightenment. [Link: bit.ly...]
Also happens that the Stone-Campbell movement churches by and large end up being politically/socially conservative. Numbers-wise, we're talking about 2-3 million adherents - not a lot but nothing to sneeze at, especially if one is in the midwest. [Link: www.thearda.com...] , [Link: www.thearda.com...]
So imo Schafersman's use of the term doesn't quite wash.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:07:52pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:08:46pm |
re: #128 laZardo
When TR lost an election, he didn't start conspiracy theories about Woodrow Wilson. He just decided "fuck it" and embarked on a jungle adventure in the Amazon to a river named after him.
THAT IS HOW TO BEHAVE AFTER LOSING AN ELECTION, PEOPLE.
Yes, but heroes like TR are not found in every era, and are most unlikely to emerge now. Someone with his quirks could not survive the 24/7 media, which is why so many candidates are thick-skinned mediocrities.
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:09:07pm |
Could you imagine? 500 years from now we begin to terra form a new habitable planet. America plants it's flag on their corner of this new planet. Then, the only choice these new inhabitants will have to govern them will be either a Democrat or a Republican. That's like Stepford politics.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:09:41pm |
re: #87 laZardo
If the Greens weren't being led by a raging anti-Semite then I'd happily campaign for them.
They took a major hit to what credibility they might have had (and what credibility Nader's descent into whackjobbery took with it), with that particular candidate. I don't think they will be able to recover, not in this generation.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:10:25pm |
re: #144 Gus 802
Yeah, let's stop that way of doing things right the hell now.
Politics should not be like religion.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:10:35pm |
re: #138 ProLifeLiberal
TR was the manliest president ever.
Sarah Palin plans to try that, using her innate charm and Christian faith to quell the moose and make it docile. I hear the moose plans to kick her.
/must I?
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:10:38pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:12:20pm |
We've got a good definition of human death:
No higher function in the cerebral cortex, no human. This allows us to harvest organs without being vivisectionists.
Why isn't this a good definition of human life?
No higher function in the cerebral cortex of a fetus, no human.
But the gaspers say that humanity occurs at conception!
But if ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, the cerebral cortex is the last portion of the brain to develop:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:12:33pm |
re: #91 Kid A
Try getting a "Reagan Conservative" to define what it means. I tried with OkiefromMuscogee (Artist formerly known as Alaska Kim) here one night, and lost her at "Regan legalized abortion as California governor." it's good for a few laughs.
I also like, "Reagan was a union boss. Of Hollywood."
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:14:11pm |
re: #147 Dark_Falcon
Apparently, he also killed a cougar in a knife fight. TVTropes has a list of awesome things he did.
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Kronocide Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:14:57pm |
re: #151 ProLifeLiberal
Apparently, he also killed a cougar in a knife fight. TVTropes has a list of awesome things he did.
Meh, unless the cougar also had a knife. Not impressed.
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:15:06pm |
re: #150 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I also like, "Reagan was a union boss. Of Hollywood."
Former Democrat... And! He was good friends with Rock Hudson! Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
//
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:15:27pm |
re: #136 sattv4u2
umm,,,errr,, can you translate that wiffout all them fancy book words!?!?!
Book words are a trick of the devil. You can tell, because only east coast elitist and san francisco libs like them.
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Kronocide Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:15:47pm |
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:16:16pm |
re: #153 BigPapa
Meh, unless the cougar also had a knife. Not impressed.
What kind of man challenges a woman to a knife fight?
/
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:17:06pm |
re: #151 ProLifeLiberal
He seems to also be an influence on the most recent movie incarnation of Batman:
In a History Channel documentary he is credited as being an inspiration for director Christopher Nolan's adaptation of Bruce Wayne.
To me, the key to understanding the character, is that Bruce Wayne is Teddy Roosevelt.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:17:45pm |
re: #154 Gus 802
Former Democrat... And! He was good friends with Rock Hudson! Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
//
I wonder what the R-voting Palin/Bachmann/Esther/Deborah-worshipping bigots thought of Cindy and Meghan McCain's participation in the No H8 campaign. I'm glad they did it. Maybe someone listened.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:18:08pm |
re: #148 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sure, bring up Texas...
Hey
Don't knock it
I live only about an hour from ATHENS
Georgia!
(and just about two from ROME
Georgia)
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:19:33pm |
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:20:11pm |
It's too bad we can't inhabit planets right now. We could give Bryan Fischer, the AFA and all the rest of the Dominionists their own planet. Send them on their merry way.
"Here ya' go. Your very own planet. Go start your own global theocracy somewhere else. Later!"
//
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laZardo Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:20:29pm |
re: #151 ProLifeLiberal
Apparently, he also killed a cougar in a knife fight. TVTropes has a list of awesome things he did.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:20:32pm |
re: #63 Stanley Sea
Nite all. Going to get Japanese. Between this post and the racist twitters posted, I am grumpy. Hopefully monkfish liver will help. Oh and saki.
Saki helps EVERYTHING!
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BongCrodny Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:20:45pm |
re: #161 sattv4u2
Hey
Don't knock itI live only about an hour from ATHENS
Georgia!
(and just about two from ROME
Georgia)
For your amusement, the Maine Sign Post, located in beautiful Lynchville, Maine:
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:21:48pm |
re: #134 Dark_Falcon
Spoken like an left-coast left-winger. Anyone not liberal is just an ignorant buffoon in your eyes.
/boohoore: #101 Gus 802
While I'm not sure I would support a labor party I would support their inclusion into the political system. They would certainly provide a welcome change in the currently bipolar political mix. We need more parties and labor could be one of them.
I wish we could have parliamentary-style rep, but the wingnuts would wave their blacks-are-monkeys pickets and scream about that being too French.
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:24:09pm |
re: #163 Gus 802
It's too bad we can't inhabit planets right now. We could give Bryan Fischer, the AFA and all the rest of the Dominionists their own planet. Send them on their merry way.
"Here ya' go. Your very own planet. Go start your own global theocracy somewhere else. Later!"
//
I think it would end up a little bit like this...
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:27:10pm |
re: #167 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
While we are at it, let's also introduce that thing the British parliament does every week with the questions.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:29:31pm |
re: #169 ProLifeLiberal
While we are at it, let's also introduce that thing the British parliament does every week with the questions.
Naahh ,, we need more civil discourse !!
[Link: www.metacafe.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:30:18pm |
re: #127 Gus 802
The Coffee Party. American Moderates. Centrist Party of America. Etc.
But, I drink TEA!
Seriously, I do!
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:30:21pm |
re: #168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I think it would end up a little bit like this...
Everything is taking a billion years to load on my end.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:31:17pm |
re: #172 Gus 802
Have you cooled down, a bit?
Hot today.
*waves*
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:31:17pm |
re: #163 Gus 802
It's too bad we can't inhabit planets right now. We could give Bryan Fischer, the AFA and all the rest of the Dominionists their own planet. Send them on their merry way.
"Here ya' go. Your very own planet. Go start your own global theocracy somewhere else. Later!"
//
Wrong denomination for that.
//////
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:31:29pm |
re: #172 Gus 802
Everything is taking a billion years to load on my end.
Why not try loading it on your computer instead of your end?
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:31:34pm |
re: #161 sattv4u2
Hey
Don't knock itI live only about an hour from ATHENS
Georgia!
(and just about two from ROME
Georgia)
I live twenty miles from Cut and Shoot. Yes, I swear, it's a real town here in Texas.
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:31:43pm |
re: #171 Floral Giraffe
But, I drink TEA!
Seriously, I do!
I drink Koolaid! No. Seriously. I typically drink the blackest coffee I can get. No cream. No sugar. Rot gut.
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:33:01pm |
re: #173 Floral Giraffe
Have you cooled down, a bit?
Hot today.
*waves*
Whew. Yeah it did. We got up to 100 today. According to NOAA. Wunderground had a reading of 107. Bleh. Almost no time to recover. That and not a cloud in the sky all day.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:33:57pm |
re: #168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I think it would end up a little bit like this...
OMG, wtf??!! Ha ha ha!!!!
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:35:24pm |
re: #178 Gus 802
Whew. Yeah it did. We got up to 100 today. According to NOAA. Wunderground had a reading of 107. Bleh. Almost no time to recover. That and not a cloud in the sky all day.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:35:45pm |
re: #170 sattv4u2
The US has a proud history of parliamentary violence. 6, 3, and 1 are the ones that involve violence.
[Link: www.cracked.com...]
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:35:48pm |
I'm sure if Spock ran into Bryan Fischer in intergalactic space he would respond by raising one eyebrow and uttering, "fascinating."
//
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:36:18pm |
re: #172 Gus 802
Everything is taking a billion years to load on my end.
I have it on good authority it can't be taking more than 5000 years to load.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:36:29pm |
re: #182 Gus 802
I'm sure if Spock ran into Bryan Fischer in intergalactic space he would respond by raising one eyebrow and uttering, "fascinating."
//
I was thinking more of "That's not logical."
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:36:32pm |
re: #173 Floral Giraffe
Have you cooled down, a bit?
Hot today.
*waves*
Still hot tonight, here. Looks up and waves.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:36:36pm |
re: #124 Gus 802
Never say never. Would anyone have guessed that the Tea Party would have such an impact? No, they're not a party but they could be.
Always wondered this about the so-called tea party.
Don't they consider this flag desecration?
[Link: www.madeinusaflags.com...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:37:00pm |
Hey Lizards!
3 times more proposed legislation this year than last.
I think they are actively trying to lose the election.
HOw is everyone?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:37:18pm |
re: #181 ProLifeLiberal
The US has a proud history of parliamentary violence. 6, 3, and 1 are the ones that involve violence.
[Link: www.cracked.com...]
Key word
The one I posted was much more recent!
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:37:44pm |
re: #183 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I have it on good authority it can't be taking more than 5000 years to load.
Give or take one thousand years.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:38:17pm |
re: #188 sattv4u2
Oh, come on. It would show us who is really committed to serving us. :P
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:38:59pm |
re: #187 ggt
Hey Lizards!
3 times more proposed legislation this year than last.
I think they are actively trying to lose the election.
HOw is everyone?
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit!"
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:39:18pm |
re: #184 Kid A
I was thinking more of "That's not logical."
I'm thinking for along the lines of: "This being is incapable of rational thought and its insane ramblings render other being in capable of reason. The logical answer is clear..." [sets phaser on 'disintegrate']
/I am not actually urging that Fischer be harmed. I was having fun with the theme.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:40:11pm |
re: #192 Dark_Falcon
I'm thinking for along the lines of: "This being is incapable of rational thought and its insane ramblings render other being in capable of reason. The logical answer is clear..." [sets phaser on 'disintegrate']
/I am not actually urging that Fischer be harmed. I was having fun with the theme.
Actually, I think Spock would be bored. He'd say something like "not unique".
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:40:16pm |
Twenty one minutes, 29 posts, and no response to my #149. I don't want to make this about me, but the point I brought up was absolutely germane to Charles' post.
Good night all, sweet dreams.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:41:16pm |
re: #192 Dark_Falcon
I'm thinking for along the lines of: "This being is incapable of rational thought and its insane ramblings render other being in capable of reason. The logical answer is clear..." [sets phaser on 'disintegrate']
/I am not actually urging that Fischer be harmed. I was having fun with the theme.
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:41:20pm |
Oh boy. More fireworks. It's like I'm stuck in a town of adult children. I know. I sound like a curmudgeon but seriously. It's almost 10 PM and these dorks are setting off some seriously big shit. Reminds me of when I lived in this bad apartment building. Or when you live amongst the poor. They never seem to stop making noise in one fashion or another whether it be music, yelling, slamming doors, etc. Same mentality. No wonder they can't rise above the system. They're suffering from sleep deprivation.
/Rant off.
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freetoken Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:41:55pm |
Gingrich uploaded a video today (one of several):
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:43:37pm |
re: #194 austin_blue
Twenty one minutes, 29 posts, and no response to my #149. I don't want to make this about me, but the point I brought up was absolutely germane to Charles' post.
Good night all, sweet dreams.
Dude got 5 updings. Isn't that a response?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:43:51pm |
re: #187 ggt
Hey Lizards!
3 times more proposed legislation this year than last.
I think they are actively trying to lose the election.
HOw is everyone?
Legislation always is less in divided government. Especially since everything has come down to the budget. Until there's a deficit reduction deal, there's no point debating other issues.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:43:51pm |
re: #197 freetoken
Without even viewing the video, I predict that No Staff will say "Obama is the weakest leader in American history."
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:44:19pm |
re: #194 austin_blue
It was also almost 2 1/2 hours after "Charles' post"
Geeezz Louise!!!
Thank goodnesss it wasn't "about" you!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:45:03pm |
re: #198 ggt
Dude got 5 updings. Isn't that a response?
what ,, no fanfare,, no marching band,,, no trophy!?!?!?!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:45:28pm |
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
Legislation always is less in divided government. Especially since everything has come down to the budget. Until there's a deficit reduction deal, there's no point debating other issues.
WEll, I'm really,really motivated to debate my rights.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:46:41pm |
On the Bright Side, we can be reasonably sure we are not living in a hologram.
Or a Douglas Adams novel.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:47:31pm |
re: #203 ggt
WEll, I'm really,really motivated to debate my rights.
I'm thrilled when I get updings --any updings. Just glad someone read my post. . . .
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:47:43pm |
re: #197 freetoken
Gingrich uploaded a video today (one of several):
[Video]
Newt is in a perfect spot to make such lofty promises, since he will NEVER be in the spot to carry them out.
Not at the rate he's going. Dork.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:48:01pm |
re: #205 ggt
I'm thrilled when I get updings --any updings. Just glad someone read my post. . . .
huh,, sorry , did you post sumfin!?!?!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:49:16pm |
re: #207 sattv4u2
huh,, sorry , did you post sumfin!?!?!
No, not me, I'm the shy type. I've been lurking for nearly 6 years now, to afraid to post.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:49:17pm |
re: #206 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Newt is in a perfect spot to make such lofty promises, since he will NEVER be in the spot to carry them out.
Not at the rate he's going. Dork.
No Staff is in "Fuck it" mode now.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:49:53pm |
re: #206 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Newt is in a perfect spot to make such lofty promises, since he will NEVER be in the spot to carry them out.
Not at the rate he's going. Dork.
But he is a dork with money. Seems to get him laid, anyway.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:50:28pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:51:22pm |
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:54:21pm |
re: #210 ggt
But he is a dork with money. Seems to get him laid, anyway.
This would give me whiskey dick.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:54:44pm |
I'm still pondering the 3 times proposed legislation than last year, IIRC.
What are they thinking? If all is as their version of the Bible says it should be then G-d will come all will be lollipops and roses. Then the Budget and Unemployment will be moot.
Or is it just a smoke screen to hopefully distract people from the real issues--like WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN DOING WITH OUR MONEY?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:54:54pm |
re: #212 ggt
money, credit, they both buy diamonds.
And anyone who trade 'servicing' someone for diamonds has proved them selves very shallow.
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:54:55pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:55:43pm |
re: #28 Charles
Anyone know what this image is supposed to signify to the wingnut brain?
[Link: twitter.com...]
Obama smoking a dozen cigarettes at once, wearing a hat made out of hundreds of cigarettes. It's surreal hatred.
Well, I don't like the President smoking either...it's a bad example for youth, and he has young daughters.
On the other hand, he does have what might be called a stressful job.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:56:21pm |
re: #214 ggt
I'm still pondering the 3 times proposed legislation than last year, IIRC.
What are they thinking? If all is as their version of the Bible says it should be then G-d will come all will be lollipops and roses. Then the Budget and Unemployment will be moot.
Or is it just a smoke screen to hopefully distract people from the real issues--like WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN DOING WITH OUR MONEY?
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
Legislation always is less in divided government. Especially since everything has come down to the budget. Until there's a deficit reduction deal, there's no point debating other issues.
Again, until there's a deficit reduction deal, its not a sure thing that new laws could be funded, so they're on hold.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:56:23pm |
re: #215 Dark_Falcon
And anyone who trade 'servicing' someone for diamonds has proved them selves very shallow.
Some women equate money/diamonds with love and will go with whomever loves them the most. They get all glittery eyed and such.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:56:58pm |
re: #41 Spocomptonite
On the contrary, many of us of the Y-chromosome persuasion will take up in arms and join your side in this war.
Is anyone else visualizing the video for Beyonce's Run the World?
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:57:05pm |
re: #210 ggt
But he is a dork with money. Seems to get him laid, anyway.
I remember someone on FARK once describing Callista as a camouflaged bog dragon that eats diamonds and craps untraceable PAC donations.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:57:34pm |
re: #43 freetoken
R♽MNEY trying to win the absurd-comment-of-the-day award:
Michelle could tell him different. But she's a classy lady.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:57:50pm |
re: #217 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, I don't like the President smoking either...it's a bad example for youth, and he has young daughters.
On the other hand, he does have what might be called a stressful job.
I really wouldn't be wanted him to POTUS while on the job. The stress of withdrawal could be hazardous to the nation's health.
IIRC, he is/was a heavy smoker.
Geez, that would be like getting sober or quitting heroin while in the Oval Office. Let him sneak one if he needs to.
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:58:29pm |
re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist
Is anyone else visualizing the video for Beyonce's Run the World?
Is it wrong to watch it with the volume turned down?
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:58:58pm |
re: #221 goddamnedfrank
I remember someone on FARK once describing Callista as a camouflaged bog dragon that eats diamonds and craps untraceable PAC donations.
Put a ring on it!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 5, 2011 9:59:46pm |
re: #84 BigPapa
If women should plan ahead like we do with spare tires and insurance, should we have rape insurance?
Provided by the free market of course.
They've got that in South Africa, I hear.
I'd just as soon not go there.
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:00:49pm |
re: #217 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, I don't like the President smoking either...it's a bad example for youth, and he has young daughters.
On the other hand, he does have what might be called a stressful job.
FDR smoked. There are worse habits. Frankly, I find the charcoal starter the neighbor uses over here to be rather annoying. I can't stand the smell of it. It should be outlawed. ;)
| 228 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:01:04pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:01:05pm |
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:02:25pm |
re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Is it wrong to watch it with the volume turned down?
Good god, Jay Z, you did well.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:03:17pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:03:44pm |
re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Is it wrong to watch it with the volume turned down?
It may be the only way some people can get through it.
I like the part where the men form their little riot police line.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:04:09pm |
re: #227 Gus 802
FDR smoked. There are worse habits. Frankly, I find the charcoal starter the neighbor uses over here to be rather annoying. I can't stand the smell of it. It should be outlawed. ;)
FDR smoked in a different generation. We know shit now.
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:05:39pm |
re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist
It may be the only way some people can get through it.
I like the part where the men form their little riot police line.
I prefer this one...
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:07:54pm |
re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist
FDR smoked in a different generation. We know shit now.
It's not like Obama's at an age where he's going to die from smoking. I think he can smoke or not smoke as he pleases. Just like the rest of us. For me, it's not an issue either way. But I certainly am nowhere near being alarmed about his smoking habits.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:09:22pm |
re: #236 Gus 802
It's not like Obama's at an age where he's going to die from smoking. I think he can smoke or not smoke as he pleases. Just like the rest of us. For me, it's not an issue either way. But I certainly am nowhere near being alarmed about his smoking habits.
[Link: articles.nydailynews.com...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:10:51pm |
re: #237 Kid A
[Link: articles.nydailynews.com...]
Didn't smoke that much? Man his facial lines tell a different story. He has those long lines on either side of his mouth running up to his cheeks. Sure sign of a smoker or x-smoker.
| 239 |
Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:10:53pm |
re: #237 Kid A
[Link: articles.nydailynews.com...]
Yeah, I knew he quit. Seems weird that people on the right would chide him for smoking. You would think they'd admire him for being a smoker.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:11:08pm |
re: #210 ggt
But he is a dork with money. Seems to get him laid, anyway.
Till he goes broke.
Oh well, those campaign donations and speaker's fees should keep them afloat for another what, quarter?
| 241 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:11:40pm |
re: #240 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Till he goes broke.
Oh well, those campaign donations and speaker's fees should keep them afloat for another what, quarter?
his books sell . . ..
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:13:21pm |
re: #238 ggt
I'll bet he was probably at least a pack a day until the presidency. He talked about being in bars talking politics, drinking and smoking cigs while in college/law school. I couldn't care less since I'm a social smoker (only when I drink), who am I to judge, right?
| 243 |
God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:14:16pm |
re: #241 ggt
his books sell . . ..
And he writes one, what, every three months? My mother bought me his last one. I gave it away.
| 244 |
Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:15:50pm |
re: #242 Kid A
I'll bet he was probably at least a pack a day until the presidency. He talked about being in bars talking politics, drinking and smoking cigs while in college/law school. I couldn't care less since I'm a social smoker (only when I drink), who am I to judge, right?
Then we reach a point where we start worrying about a presidents other habits. Are we going to start freaking out if they have bacon and eggs for breakfast everyday? Are we going to only vote for trim and physically fit non-smoking candidates?
| 245 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:16:08pm |
re: #242 Kid A
I'll bet he was probably at least a pack a day until the presidency. He talked about being in bars talking politics, drinking and smoking cigs while in college/law school. I couldn't care less since I'm a social smoker (only when I drink), who am I to judge, right?
There are far worse things than tobacco. IMHO.
| 246 |
Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:16:40pm |
The president eats meat! He's not a vegetarian! And he drinks chilled water.
//
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:17:35pm |
re: #243 Kid A
And he writes one, what, every three months? My mother bought me his last one. I gave it away.
Books by authors like Newt go in my fiction section.
| 248 |
Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:17:53pm |
I love it when white Americans try to pretend they're from India by DEMANDING warm water to drink. Bleh.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:18:01pm |
re: #244 Gus 802
Then we reach a point where we start worrying about a presidents other habits. Are we going to start freaking out if they have bacon and eggs for breakfast everyday? Are we going to only vote for trim and physically fit non-smoking candidates?
As long as Obama isn't sticking needles in his arm, or walking into the OO every morning with a hangover, I couldn't care less if he smokes in the OO during photo ops, lol.
| 250 |
Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:19:40pm |
re: #249 Kid A
As long as Obama isn't sticking needles in his arm, or walking into the OO every morning with a hangover, I couldn't care less if he smokes in the OO during photo ops, lol.
There ya' go. Or knawing on a turkey leg during a press conference.
/
| 251 |
God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:20:02pm |
re: #247 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You know, Newt is not a dumb man. But then out comes the "homosexual fascist agenda," (What the fuck does that even MEAN??) and I just eye roll.
| 252 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:20:38pm |
re: #249 Kid A
As long as Obama isn't sticking needles in his arm, or walking into the OO every morning with a hangover, I couldn't care less if he smokes in the OO during photo ops, lol.
Well, I"m a smoker and I"ll say I wouldn't want him smoking on camera or in front of kids. I do think it contributes to kids smoking.
| 253 |
Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:21:00pm |
re: #251 Kid A
You know, Newt is not a dumb man. But then out comes the "homosexual fascist agenda," (What the fuck does that even MEAN??) and I just eye roll.
See. And he's a non-smoker.
//
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:22:19pm |
re: #252 ggt
Well, I"m a smoker and I"ll say I wouldn't want him smoking on camera or in front of kids. I do think it contributes to kids smoking.
You just beat me to it. We want our presidents to be of a higher standard, and smoking would not be the best message to send kids, but I think you get my point nonetheless.
| 255 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:24:01pm |
re: #254 Kid A
You just beat me to it. We want our presidents to be of a higher standard, and smoking would not be the best message to send kids, but I think you get my point nonetheless.
Yeah, and just think of the corporate shenanigans that would go on. Phillip Morris et al would be in full marketing mode.
| 256 |
Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:24:04pm |
Although. In Newt's case he's probably smoking the invisible crack pipe.
//
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:24:34pm |
re: #256 Gus 802
Although. In Newt's case he's probably smoking the invisible crack pipe.
//
Newt get's high on himself.
Egotist.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:27:35pm |
re: #251 Kid A
You know, Newt is not a dumb man. But then out comes the "homosexual fascist agenda," (What the fuck does that even MEAN??) and I just eye roll.
He's not a dumb man, he's the closest thing to an "intellectual" the right has and the only person I'm aware of who isn't afraid of that label. So they deserve him.
Any time a conniving conservative bigot like that starts sniveling about "fascism" it's just short for "it's no longer legal for us to run roughshod over them anymore, boo hoo!! Poor us!"
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:27:49pm |
re: #259 ggt
"aoo" ???
What does that mean?
AOO
ALTOONA VOR
ALTOONA, PA
He's coming in for a landing.
//
| 262 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:28:23pm |
re: #259 ggt
"aoo" ???
What does that mean?
Altoona / Martinsburg, PA, USA - Blair County Airport code
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:29:33pm |
re: #260 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
He's not a dumb man, he's the closest thing to an "intellectual" the right has and the only person I'm aware of who isn't afraid of that label. So they deserve him.
Any time a conniving conservative bigot like that starts sniveling about "fascism" it's just short for "it's no longer legal for us to run roughshod over them anymore, boo hoo!! Poor us!"
Nope! Paul Ryan is the smartest guy in the room, remember?
/
| 264 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:33:18pm |
re: #260 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
""it's no longer legal for us to run roughshod over them anymore, boo hoo!! Poor us"
You know, I've been on a Rome bent in my reading lately. The Patricians really had a thing about anyone who "wasn't a Roman of the Romans", meaning anyone whose family wasn't one of the old aristocratic family.
We seem to have a lot of "newcomers to the political scene" that act like they are "American's of the American's". nouveau riche or nouveau powerful or something.
It's like they think, I made it this far, therefore, I KNOW how things should be done.
I really just want to throttle people sometimes.
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God of Binders with Women Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:35:30pm |
re: #264 ggt
""it's no longer legal for us to run roughshod over them anymore, boo hoo!! Poor us"
You know, I've been on a Rome bent in my reading lately. The Patricians really had a thing about anyone who "wasn't a Roman of the Romans", meaning anyone whose family wasn't one of the old aristocratic family.
We seem to have a lot of "newcomers to the political scene" that act like they are "American's of the American's". nouveau riche or nouveau powerful or something.
It's like they think, I made it this far, therefore, I KNOW how things should be done.
I really just want to throttle people sometimes.
[Link: www.merriam-webster.com...]
| 266 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:35:39pm |
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:35:45pm |
re: #264 ggt
""it's no longer legal for us to run roughshod over them anymore, boo hoo!! Poor us"
You know, I've been on a Rome bent in my reading lately. The Patricians really had a thing about anyone who "wasn't a Roman of the Romans", meaning anyone whose family wasn't one of the old aristocratic family.
We seem to have a lot of "newcomers to the political scene" that act like they are "American's of the American's". nouveau riche or nouveau powerful or something.
It's like they think, I made it this far, therefore, I KNOW how things should be done.
I really just want to throttle people sometimes.
In the good ole days of Rome, when the government needed cash, they would banish or execute their political enemies and seize their goods.
| 268 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:36:26pm |
re: #265 Kid A
[Link: www.merriam-webster.com...]
Good Answer! (clap, clap, jump-up-and-down, clap clap_
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:37:01pm |
re: #267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
In the good ole days of Rome, when the government needed cash, they would banish or execute their political enemies and seize their goods.
Yeah, or invade some country and take everything they have and sell the people off as slaves.
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:37:45pm |
re: #269 ggt
Yeah, or invade some country and take everything they have and sell the people off as slaves.
Hey, its a living.
| 271 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:38:23pm |
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AK-47% Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:40:34pm |
re: #264 ggt
you mean like the tea party lady (born in peru) going on about "non-european immigration" ruining america?
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Kragar Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:42:32pm |
re: #273 ralphieboy
you mean like the tea party lady (born in peru) going on about "non-european immigration" ruining america?
Isn't Peru a state in Europe?
/
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:43:59pm |
re: #264 ggt
""it's no longer legal for us to run roughshod over them anymore, boo hoo!! Poor us"
You know, I've been on a Rome bent in my reading lately. The Patricians really had a thing about anyone who "wasn't a Roman of the Romans", meaning anyone whose family wasn't one of the old aristocratic family.
We seem to have a lot of "newcomers to the political scene" that act like they are "American's of the American's". nouveau riche or nouveau powerful or something.
It's like they think, I made it this far, therefore, I KNOW how things should be done.
Yeah, they know the country should go back to holding everyone else back so they can prosper.
I really just want to throttle people sometimes.
Some days I feel bad for them, because their whole identity starts and ends with clinging to their things. That's the extent of their personality.
Most days, though, they can just go jump in the lake. If social cons are low on my list, new-money/something-to-prove social cons are even lower than they are. I shouldn't, but I get a kick out of poking at their ridiculous anxieties. But hey, the disdain is quite mutual, so, ehh. Difference is, I'm not trying to curtail any of their rights. Can't say the same for that lot, sadly.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:45:24pm |
re: #273 ralphieboy
you mean like the tea party lady (born in peru) going on about "non-european immigration" ruining america?
And a few others. . . .
People who are self-made or should I say, aren't from Kennedy clan or some other wealthy politically entrenched family.
The ability to rising to the top from middle-class or less backgrounds is one of the great things about our country. While I admire and respect anyone who does, achieving your dreams is not sufficient reason to decide the standard for everyone else. Frankly, I don't think there is sufficient reason, under our system of government. That is the whole point of "our system of government".
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:45:51pm |
re: #274 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Isn't Peru a state in Europe?
/
It's a city in Indiana, and Illinos and perhaps Ohio as well. . . .
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:48:56pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:49:17pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:49:49pm |
re: #264 ggt
""it's no longer legal for us to run roughshod over them anymore, boo hoo!! Poor us"
You know, I've been on a Rome bent in my reading lately. The Patricians really had a thing about anyone who "wasn't a Roman of the Romans", meaning anyone whose family wasn't one of the old aristocratic family.
We seem to have a lot of "newcomers to the political scene" that act like they are "American's of the American's". nouveau riche or nouveau powerful or something.
It's like they think, I made it this far, therefore, I KNOW how things should be done.
I really just want to throttle people sometimes.
This just made me think of the Forum News Announcer man in the HBO Rome series. He also does ads, including one that ends with "Real Roman bread, for real Romans."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:54:09pm |
re: #281 Gus 802
That's a rather common mentality in Argentina.
THere was a whole hierarchy of class in South America/Mexico starting with Black slaves born in Afrika at the bottom to White Europeans born in Europe at the top.
They had it all figured out from if your mother was a Black slave born in Afrika and your father was a Native of South America your status was higher than if both parents were black, born in Afrika. If both your parents were Black slaves, but born in South America, you were higher than --you get the idea. There was probably a different standard for those born under a full moon to non-prostitutes . . ..
I remember reading about it and thinking, geez, these people had a lot of time to memorize this shit.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:55:35pm |
re: #273 ralphieboy
you mean like the tea party lady (born in peru) going on about "non-european immigration" ruining america?
I know who you're talking about, can see her face and hear that running mouth but can't recall the name. This dumb bigot also comes to mind.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:56:26pm |
re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist
This just made me think of the Forum News Announcer man in the HBO Rome series. He also does ads, including one that ends with "Real Roman bread, for real Romans."
I'm still listening to Colleen McCullough's First Man in Rome. The political infighting over class and rank is classic.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:57:41pm |
re: #282 ggt
THere was a whole hierarchy of class in South America/Mexico starting with Black slaves born in Afrika at the bottom to White Europeans born in Europe at the top.
They had it all figured out from if your mother was a Black slave born in Afrika and your father was a Native of South America your status was higher than if both parents were black, born in Afrika. If both your parents were Black slaves, but born in South America, you were higher than --you get the idea. There was probably a different standard for those born under a full moon to non-prostitutes . . ..
I remember reading about it and thinking, geez, these people had a lot of time to memorize this shit.
You know, with slaves to wash all the clothes in the stream and plow all the fields, I guess they did have a lot of time to waste on such shit. All they had to do was sit around, go to parties and dream up ways to keep the status quo.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:58:05pm |
re: #282 ggt
THere was a whole hierarchy of class in South America/Mexico starting with Black slaves born in Afrika at the bottom to White Europeans born in Europe at the top.
They had it all figured out from if your mother was a Black slave born in Afrika and your father was a Native of South America your status was higher than if both parents were black, born in Afrika. If both your parents were Black slaves, but born in South America, you were higher than --you get the idea. There was probably a different standard for those born under a full moon to non-prostitutes . . ..
I remember reading about it and thinking, geez, these people had a lot of time to memorize this shit.
Yeah, here, the dumb bigots just cut to the chase lol
Working out laws around that, though, didn't work out so well for them.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:58:33pm |
re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist
This just made me think of the Forum News Announcer man in the HBO Rome series. He also does ads, including one that ends with "Real Roman bread, for real Romans."
Have to wonder at the origin of the Roman Meal Bread that is sold today. off to wiki .. . .
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:00:09pm |
re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist
This just made me think of the Forum News Announcer man in the HBO Rome series. He also does ads, including one that ends with "Real Roman bread, for real Romans."
Loved that series. Too bad there were only 2 seasons.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:00:29pm |
re: #287 ggt
Have to wonder at the origin of the Roman Meal Bread that is sold today. off to wiki .. . .
ah:
"Roman Meal was founded in 1912 when Dr. Robert Jackson reversed his failing health through diet and exercise. Jackson emulated the ancient Roman centurion's daily menu of whole wheat and whole rye, and added bran and flax seed."
Now you know.
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:01:29pm |
re: #282 ggt
THere was a whole hierarchy of class in South America/Mexico starting with Black slaves born in Afrika at the bottom to White Europeans born in Europe at the top.
They had it all figured out from if your mother was a Black slave born in Afrika and your father was a Native of South America your status was higher than if both parents were black, born in Afrika. If both your parents were Black slaves, but born in South America, you were higher than --you get the idea. There was probably a different standard for those born under a full moon to non-prostitutes . . ..
I remember reading about it and thinking, geez, these people had a lot of time to memorize this shit.
The European supremacy thing was sort of drilled into our heads from my father's side. That we were of European stock so to speak and therefore superior to the "other" Argentinians. But, my asshole grandfather didn't think my mother was perfect enough and that creep apparently called my mom a "veinte-veinte" (meaning 50/50) or a "pata sucia" (meaning dirty feet). The ass also pretty much rejected one of my other aunts because she was from Cuba. My paternal grandfather thought he was superior because he came to Argentina by way of Italy.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:02:59pm |
re: #286 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yeah, here, the dumb bigots just cut to the chase lol
Working out laws around that, though, didn't work out so well for them.
But, science is evilllllllllllll! It might prove some people wrong.
/:)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:05:17pm |
re: #290 Gus 802
The European supremacy thing was sort of drilled into our heads from my father's side. That we were of European stock so to speak and therefore superior to the "other" Argentinians. But, my asshole grandfather didn't think my mother was perfect enough and that creep apparently called my mom a "veinte-veinte" (meaning 50/50) or a "pata sucia" (meaning dirty feet). The ass also pretty much rejected one of my other aunts because she was from Cuba. My paternal grandfather thought he was superior because he came to Argentina by way of Italy.
If anyone is superior it is because they get off their ass and go to work everyday and make their own way in the world, do the best they can in raising their children and try to live by their principles. What your father's father did doesn't mean shit as far as the present generation is concerned.
Both the sins and accomplishments of the father do not pass to the son . .IMHO.
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Gus Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:09:45pm |
re: #292 ggt
If anyone is superior it is because they get off their ass and go to work everyday and make their own way in the world, do the best they can in raising their children and try to live by their principles. What your father's father did doesn't mean shit as far as the present generation is concerned.
Both the sins and accomplishments of the father do not pass to the son . .IMHO.
Thanks. I know. Despite all this I think I ended up converting them so to speak. They sure had a lot of strange old-world baggage about them. Some of it wasn't very pretty. I'm also sure having lived here for over 50 years helped them change themselves.
Argentina also has a lot of other weird practices. For instance they're also allowed to openly discriminate according to age. Perhaps that changed but when I last looked you could set age limits for employment out in the open. So you get the combined European preferences with age discrimination.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:10:38pm |
re: #293 Gus 802
Thanks. I know. Despite all this I think I ended up converting them so to speak. They sure had a lot of strange old-world baggage about them. Some of it wasn't very pretty. I'm also sure having lived here for over 50 years helped them change themselves.
Argentina also has a lot of other weird practices. For instance they're also allowed to openly discriminate according to age. Perhaps that changed but when I last looked you could set age limits for employment out in the open. So you get the combined European preferences with age discrimination.
Bizarre.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:11:44pm |
I have to go to sleep.
Have a great morning all!
arr
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AK-47% Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:12:59pm |
re: #274 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I can only assume that the lady from peru was of european descent. according to wikipedia, there is are lots of european emigrees.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:12:59pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:21:13pm |
re: #296 ralphieboy
I can only assume that the lady from peru was of european descent.
Or, desperate to have people think she is.
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AK-47% Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:21:17pm |
23 users. that makes enough for two football teams and one referee...
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freetoken Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:22:27pm |
re: #300 ralphieboy
Or, one for each autosomal chromosome pair.
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AK-47% Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:23:19pm |
re: #299 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Or, desperate to have people think she is.
It was common enough in America for a long time that even southern or eastern European immigrants "anglified" their surnames.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:27:04pm |
re: #302 ralphieboy
It was common enough in America for a long time that even southern or eastern European immigrants "anglified" their surnames.
Yeah, despite the label "white", Europeans weren't so kind to each other, either in their old countries or once they got over here. I wish they would have left all that enmity in their old countries.
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AK-47% Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:29:46pm |
re: #303 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yeah, despite the label "white", Europeans weren't so kind to each other, either in their old countries or once they got over here. I wish they would have left all that enmity in their old countries.
Well, one of the wierd outgrowths of the "ethnic pride" movement of the 60's is that people have generally stopped concealing their non- Anglo-Saxon origins.
Or their redneck roots.
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freetoken Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:44:09pm |
Hoagy Carmichael, with a top pop hit from 1947... and, um, interesting lyrics:
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:23:40am |
I usually kill threads. This time this thread appears to be dead before I got here... :)
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:23:59am |
We are now down to 19 users online: two baseball teams and an umpire...
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:26:27am |
re: #309 boxhead
Jaime or her other half?
//
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:27:47am |
re: #310 Floral Giraffe
Jaime or her other half?
//
arrrr, I hope to say soon that neither of them are owners of the Dodgers.
what a nightmare....
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:37:32am |
re: #304 ralphieboy
Well, one of the wierd outgrowths of the "ethnic pride" movement of the 60's is that people have generally stopped concealing their non- Anglo-Saxon origins.
Or their redneck roots.
I prefer it that way. Once they stop kidding themselves about who they are, maybe they'll quit running around with something to prove in general. Such needless anxiety, blah. Sad.
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:41:12am |
re: #312 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I prefer it that way. Once they stop kidding themselves about who they are, maybe they'll quit running around with something to prove in general. Such needless anxiety, blah. Sad.
Unfortunately I know far too many Anglo-Saxon folks who think they are the true Americans.... And this is in the Los Angeles area and not the "South".
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:46:07am |
re: #313 boxhead
Unfortunately I know far too many Anglo-Saxon folks who think they are the true Americans... And this is in the Los Angeles area and not the "South".
I grew up in SoCA, and know that new-money mentality well. They're outclassed by real WASPs from the east coast, who look down on them.
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:52:55am |
re: #314 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I grew up in SoCA, and know that new-money mentality well. They're outclassed by real WASPs from the east coast, who look down on them.
I don't think the folks I am referring can be called "new-money". These tend to be blue collar folks.
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:54:06am |
re: #315 boxhead
I don't think the folks I am referring can be called "new-money". These tend to be blue collar folks.
every time they get a paycheck, it's new money!
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:56:37am |
re: #316 ralphieboy
every time they get a paycheck, it's new money!
LOL.... "Hey Rocky, look at the paycheck I pulled out of my arse!"
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:19:53am |
Morning Honcos. I am only up this early because my head hit the pillow at 9PM EST and I was sleeping at 9:01.
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:22:42am |
re: #318 Cannadian Club Akbar
Morning Honcos. I am only up this early because my head hit the pillow at 9PM EST and I was sleeping at 9:01.
Morning... but it sounds like a bender to me... :)
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:24:43am |
re: #319 boxhead
Morning... but it sounds like a bender to me... :)
//
Na. If it were a bender I'd still be drinking.:) Only had 1 1/2 beers yesterday. Whatta waste.
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:28:13am |
re: #320 Cannadian Club Akbar
Na. If it were a bender I'd still be drinking.:) Only had 1 1/2 beers yesterday. Whatta waste.
well I still have a beer in front of me... :)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:30:22am |
re: #321 boxhead
well I still have a beer in front of me... :)
Did your friend finally get rid of the crazy girl? Not just that one night, I mean permanently, as in a break up?
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:33:21am |
re: #322 Cannadian Club Akbar
Did your friend finally get rid of the crazy girl? Not just that one night, I mean permanently, as in a break up?
I hope so... he is young and so you know how that goes.... But if I find out he is still tapping that... arrrrrr.. we did get plastered at my house when I got him here... LOL
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:33:47am |
the candidates respond
[Link: www.salon.com...]
of the lot, only Mitt Romney said anything that was vaguely presidential sounding.
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:35:48am |
re: #324 Cannadian Club Akbar
at least the kid is still alive.
But why the silence on this, Mr Obama?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:37:33am |
re: #325 ralphieboy
The Palin quote is just fucking stoopid. Calling out the President? What's he suppose to do? And 12,429 people "liked" this? Fucking idiots.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:40:59am |
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freetoken Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:43:15am |
re: #327 Cannadian Club Akbar
Ummm... I believe that is the "invented" part.
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:43:55am |
re: #327 Cannadian Club Akbar
The Palin quote is just fucking stoopid. Calling out the President? What's he suppose to do? And 12,429 people "liked" this? Fucking idiots.
the implication is that Obama will stand by and idly watch while people kill their children. and yours.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:48:48am |
Well. I just made the mistake of looking over at WND (I know, I know) and Farah has a column that says Marco Rubio can't be VP or President because while he was born in the US, his parents weren't citizens so he can't hold those offices. Wow.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:50:35am |
re: #327 Cannadian Club Akbar
The Palin quote is just fucking stoopid. Calling out the President?
I just wonder how much longer she's going to keep trolling the WH -- she's been doing it for 3 years now.
It's not like they ever give her the time of day on ANY issue, does she expect if she keeps doing it, something will suddenly be different, and they'll RT her ridiculous trollbait? LOL!
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:51:27am |
I have not checked: are those all real candidate quotes or made up?
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freetoken Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:52:30am |
Because every child should have the right to be a diabetic:
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:53:58am |
re: #329 freetoken
Ummm... I believe that is the "invented" part.
Got ya. I just went straight for the red meat.:(
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:54:16am |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:58:33am |
re: #335 freetoken
Because every child should have the right to be a diabetic:
It's an obvious a pro-abort feminist collusion with big government to oppress traditional women who choose to bake cookies for their families!
I thought they are so tolerant of choice so much! Hypocrites!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:59:48am |
re: #315 boxhead
I don't think the folks I am referring can be called "new-money". These tend to be blue collar folks.
Them, too.
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:02:03am |
re: #335 freetoken
I hafta side with the GOP on this one: it should be up to parents to decide what their kids eat. I am all in favor of health and nutritional education in schools (which a lot of conservatives seem to have trouble with) and guidelines to help determine what is healthy, but not restrictions like these.
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freetoken Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:09:54am |
140 characters - that's asking a lot of some of our fellow citizens:
Obama town hall meeting in Twitter's hands
U.S. President Barack Obama's Twitter town hall-style meeting will be controlled by the microblogging network, not by the White House, officials said.
An official White House statement Tuesday evening said the informal 2 p.m. EDT Wednesday exchange with "Americans across the country" would focus on "the economy and jobs."
But "ultimately the decision over what questions are asked and ... the moderation of the event falls to Twitter," White House new media Director Macon Phillips told reporters on a conference call.
Twitter cofounder and Executive Chairman Jack Dorsey will choose the questions based on themes and "hot topics" he and other non-White House people see among the tens of thousands of submitted questions, officials said.
The length of questions will be limited to Twitter's traditional 140 characters, but Obama's answers can be as long as he wants, officials said.
[....]
So, what's on #AskObama right now?
beefmyers Beef Myers
Why do you act like a puppet on the strings of George Soros, Media Matters and the Chicago left wing gestapo? #AskObama
3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet ReplyNaharalhajri نهار الهاجري
#AskObama Your alliance with Iran against the hidden Persian Gulf states will not pass unnoticed we also want our interests and you just liecbrownx cecil brown
When are going to stop destroying our country and why do you and your gang constantly lie to the country. #AskObamacbrownx cecil brown
When are going to stop destroying our country and why do you and your gang constantly lie to the country. #AskObama
And so on. Yes, there are lots of serious questions too, though most of them are not answerable.
Of the fun ones, my favorite right now:
lagonk Eric G
Who killed JFK? #AskObama
17 minutes ago
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freetoken Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:11:25am |
re: #341 ralphieboy
They are hardly "restrictions" if there is no way to enforce them and no penalty. They aren't any more an imposition than the "Recommended Allowances" stuff by the FDA - just suggestions, not commands.
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:19:33am |
re: #341 ralphieboy
I hafta side with the GOP on this one: it should be up to parents to decide what their kids eat. I am all in favor of health and nutritional education in schools (which a lot of conservatives seem to have trouble with) and guidelines to help determine what is healthy, but not restrictions like these.
The ad restrictions are similar to tobacco and booze. Are those Constitutional, I am not sure. I will say that any tax dollars that are feeding folks should be limited to healthy food. I was at the grocery store behind a person with a food stamp EBT card and she had 2 cases of soda. WTF?
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freetoken Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:21:54am |
There should be, by law, and analogous to what is done with cigarettes, required labels on processed foods that contain more than ~10g of sugar (sucrose/fructose) per serving or per average consumption/sitting. Something like "This product contains high levels of sugar, the continual consumption of which may lead to diabetes which can kill you."
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freetoken Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:24:37am |
Just in on #AskObama:
secr3tas David L.
#HalfLife2 #AskObama
Reptile Agenda Exposed! |
1 minute ago
THE REPTILE AGENDA!!
We're doomed, I say, doomed.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:24:51am |
re: #344 boxhead
The ad restrictions are similar to tobacco and booze. Are those Constitutional, I am not sure. I will say that any tax dollars that are feeding folks should be limited to healthy food. I was at the grocery store behind a person with a food stamp EBT card and she had 2 cases of soda. WTF?
You can buy pretty much all foods with an EBT card. No beer or smokes (but little quick marts do get around that) and no hot foods, although you can have a sub at say Publix made for you.
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freetoken Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:28:30am |
These political stunts with Twitter are stupid.
Just like the GOP "debate" a couple of weeks ago, nothing good can come of this.
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:28:40am |
re: #347 Cannadian Club Akbar
You can buy pretty much all foods with an EBT card. No beer or smokes (but little quick marts do get around that) and no hot foods, although you can have a sub at say Publix made for you.
IMHO, soda is not food. Requiring healthy choices for subsidized food seems obvious. I'd love to hear a counter argument.
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freetoken Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:30:38am |
re: #349 boxhead
When I was young we were very very poor. I remember we used to get boxes of food from the USDA, which had in them various staples, canned meats, corn mush, and of course real butter (the dairy farmers always overproduced.)
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:31:59am |
re: #348 freetoken
These political stunts with Twitter are stupid.
Just like the GOP "debate" a couple of weeks ago, nothing good can come of this.
The rabid love the bile spewed. It seems to be all that inspires them. What our Country truly needs is a candidate that promotes science, math, engineering, etc. The tools we must have to move on.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:32:32am |
re: #349 boxhead
IMHO, soda is not food. Requiring healthy choices for subsidized food seems obvious. I'd love to hear a counter argument.
I understand what you're saying, but then you'd have to take away frozen dinners, pizza, most packaged foods in general. Then you would have to restrict canned foods high in sodium. Blah, blah, blah.
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:33:50am |
re: #350 freetoken
When I was young we were very very poor. I remember we used to get boxes of food from the USDA, which had in them various staples, canned meats, corn mush, and of course real butter (the dairy farmers always overproduced.)
and sounds perfect. It would be better to provide good food to people rather than letter them buy junk.
obligatory: hmmmmm butter
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:35:01am |
re: #353 boxhead
and sounds perfect. It would be better to provide good food to people rather than letter them buy junk.
obligatory: hmmm butter
You also have to remember people sell their food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar to put cash in their pockets.
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:36:23am |
re: #352 Cannadian Club Akbar
I understand what you're saying, but then you'd have to take away frozen dinners, pizza, most packaged foods in general. Then you would have to restrict canned foods high in sodium. Blah, blah, blah.
at least the foods you listed are food. soda is not. What freetoken mentioned is even better, just have the Gov provide healthy foods.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:36:28am |
re: #354 Cannadian Club Akbar
You also have to remember people sell their food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar to put cash in their pockets.
Are there even food stamps anymore? I thought it was all pre-loaded EBT cards.
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:37:19am |
re: #354 Cannadian Club Akbar
You also have to remember people sell their food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar to put cash in their pockets.
Even more of a reason to have supply depots where food is dispersed.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:37:53am |
re: #356 boxhead
at least the foods you listed are food. soda is not. What freetoken mentioned is even better, just have the Gov provide healthy foods.
Canned meats have prolly 50% more sodium then fresh. And then people will bitch that they/their kids/granny don't like the foods given to them.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:39:03am |
re: #357 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Are there even food stamps anymore? I thought it was all pre-loaded EBT cards.
True. Not like the old days where you basically got script.
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:41:04am |
One major role of the government is to ensure that we are able to find out what is in the food and beverages we shoose to consume so that we choose to consume so that we can make informed choices for ourselves and our children
Another major role is to monitor and regulate what gets put in the soil, air and water that we are exposed to.
Industries have a lot of reasons to want to conceal what they are putting in our food, air, soil and water. I will not trust them to do so voluntarily.
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:41:22am |
re: #359 Cannadian Club Akbar
Canned meats have prolly 50% more sodium then fresh. And then people will bitch that they/their kids/granny don't like the foods given to them.
baby steps.... the obvious restrictions are just that, obvious. Moving slowly to better choices should work. And if they complain, tell them to get a fricking job.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:41:33am |
Also, the Department of Agriculture used to run radio ads around here because if they didn't use the money budgeted to them, they wouldn't get the increase they ask for. Now, not so much.
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:42:23am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:47:05am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:48:50am |
re: #358 boxhead
Even more of a reason to have supply depots where food is dispersed.
really???
Do you know why one of the main reasons they've done away with "food stamps" and replaced them with EBT cards
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:53:16am |
re: #367 sattv4u2
really???
Do you know why one of the main reasons they've done away with "food stamps" and replaced them with EBT cards
Selling of food stamps, or corruption in the bureaucracy? But a gov food center would not be needed if the EBT cards could only buy real food.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:54:10am |
We have a "Wonder Bread" store around here AND an "Entenmen's" store. Both rule.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:55:15am |
re: #368 boxhead
Selling of food stamps, or corruption in the bureaucracy? But a gov food center would not be needed if the EBT cards could only buy real food.
Nope
The "stigmatism" of handing the stamps to the clerk in the grocery store line
An EBT card looks/ acts just like a debit/ credit card
No peeling them off a stack and counting them out
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:55:42am |
re: #369 Cannadian Club Akbar
We have a "Wonder Bread" store around here AND an "Entenmen's" store. Both rule.
Near me too.... great bargains..
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:55:58am |
re: #368 boxhead
Selling of food stamps, or corruption in the bureaucracy? But a gov food center would not be needed if the EBT cards could only buy real food.
The day corn dogs aren't considered real food...well, I don't want to live in that America!!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:57:03am |
re: #368 boxhead
re: #370 sattv4u2
Nope
The "stigmatism" of handing the stamps to the clerk in the grocery store line
An EBT card looks/ acts just like a debit/ credit card
No peeling them off a stack and counting them out
So ,,, how do you think the "stigmatism" of standing in a line in front of a building marked Government Food Depot Supplies would be?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:57:40am |
re: #369 Cannadian Club Akbar
We have a "Wonder Bread" store around here AND an "Entenmen's" store. Both rule.
overstock and day-old
But great bargains
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:58:00am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:59:11am |
re: #374 sattv4u2
overstock and day-old
But great bargains
I can take down a pan of Raspberry Danish in about 10 minutes.:)
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:00:16am |
re: #370 sattv4u2
Nope
The "stigmatism" of handing the stamps to the clerk in the grocery store line
An EBT card looks/ acts just like a debit/ credit card
No peeling them off a stack and counting them out
hmmm... The act of peeling and such did slow down checkouts. And a card is over more efficient and easier to audit. But worrying about a food stamp user's self esteem seems counter productive. Using them should make the user want to not have to use them.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:00:18am |
re: #375 ralphieboy
the stigmatism will wear off as soon as the majority of the population is doing it...
aaahhh,,, 1930 ,, the good ole days!
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:00:50am |
re: #372 Cannadian Club Akbar
The day corn dogs aren't considered real food...well, I don't want to live in that America!!
///
:)
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:01:12am |
re: #376 Cannadian Club Akbar
I can take down a pan of Raspberry Danish in about 10 minutes.:)
Any of there loaves with the word "cheese" on it has me drooling!
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:01:24am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:01:49am |
re: #377 boxhead
hmmm... The act of peeling and such did slow down checkouts. And a card is over more efficient and easier to audit. But worrying about a food stamp user's self esteem seems counter productive. Using them should make the user want to not have to use them.
It used to be somewhat of an embarrassment to use food stamps. Now people look at each other and say, "You,too, huh"?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:02:10am |
re: #377 boxhead
hmmm... The act of peeling and such did slow down checkouts. And a card is over more efficient and easier to audit. But worrying about a food stamp user's self esteem seems counter productive. Using them should make the user want to not have to use them.
Hence ,, the change
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:02:59am |
re: #381 boxhead
That should not be a concern.
"should not" and "is" are worlds apart
All part of the PC revolution
(and no,, not Personal Computers)
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:04:09am |
re: #383 sattv4u2
Hence ,, the change
I would be very surprised if the switch from stamps to cards had anything to do with embarrassment. Efficiency seems more likely.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:04:52am |
Hey ,, look ,, the equipment rack that I was supposed to have finished re-wiring is only about half way done
dammit ,,,, guess I'll have to go finish !!
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:04:53am |
re: #384 sattv4u2
"should not" and "is" are worlds apart
All part of the PC revolution
(and no,, not Personal Computers)
I am having a hard time buying this.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:05:29am |
re: #385 boxhead
I would be very surprised if the switch from stamps to cards had anything to do with embarrassment. Efficiency seems more likely.
Can't we make it so people have to have a Scarlet F sign around their neck while shopping?
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:05:54am |
re: #386 sattv4u2
Hey ,, look ,, the equipment rack that I was supposed to have finished re-wiring is only about half way done
dammit ,,, guess I'll have to go finish !!
the cables better be nice and tight! no spaghetti wiring.
//
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:06:10am |
re: #387 boxhead
I am having a hard time buying this.
Go speak to a grocery store manager
You mentioned selling of the stamps as one part of the change
Whats to stop the same person from selling the balance on EBT card
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:07:08am |
re: #388 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can't we make it so people have to have a Scarlet F sign around their neck while shopping?
///
F means.... fat? fail? lol
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:07:53am |
re: #390 sattv4u2
Go speak to a grocery store manager
You mentioned selling of the stamps as one part of the change
Whats to stop the same person from selling the balance on EBT card
People do sell their cards. All you need is the password. No ID. And like I said earlier, some mini marts will sell smokes and beer. They just ring up food and charge twice as much.
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:08:31am |
re: #390 sattv4u2
Go speak to a grocery store manager
You mentioned selling of the stamps as one part of the change
Whats to stop the same person from selling the balance on EBT card
nothing.... except hunger... and a sense of honesty.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:08:34am |
re: #389 boxhead
the cables better be nice and tight! no spaghetti wiring.
//
15 peices of equipment in this rack
Each piece has 5 cables to/ from the router panels
Router racks are about 50 feet from this rack
Cables have to run tight/ neatly down the router rack, tie wraped every 4 inches,, under the floor,,, neat right angle turns ,,, up the equipment rack the same way as the router rack
oh ,,, joy ,,,
about 6 hours of work ahead of me
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:09:19am |
re: #394 sattv4u2
Uh, you were suppose to do this yesterday....
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:12:10am |
re: #394 sattv4u2
15 peices of equipment in this rack
Each piece has 5 cables to/ from the router panels
Router racks are about 50 feet from this rack
Cables have to run tight/ neatly down the router rack, tie wraped every 4 inches,, under the floor,,, neat right angle turns ,,, up the equipment rack the same way as the router rack
oh ,,, joy ,,,
about 6 hours of work ahead of me
4 inches is obsessive and adds nothing. good cables and one foot ties should be enough. Of course using cable tubing under the floor is better. And don't forget to number both ends of each cable.... fun fun!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:12:25am |
re: #393 boxhead
nothing... except hunger... and a sense of honesty.
lemme know how that works out for ya!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:12:38am |
re: #395 Cannadian Club Akbar
Uh, you were suppose to do this yesterday...
sshhhh
Boss is on vacation
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:13:35am |
re: #392 Cannadian Club Akbar
People do sell their cards. All you need is the password. No ID. And like I said earlier, some mini marts will sell smokes and beer. They just ring up food and charge twice as much.
sounds like a need for better regulated stores that can accept EBT.
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:14:19am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:15:06am |
re: #396 boxhead
4 inches is obsessive and adds nothing. good cables and one foot ties should be enough. Of course using cable tubing under the floor is better. And don't forget to number both ends of each cable... fun fun!
Most pieces in the rack take up 2 inches
The we put a blank in before the next piece
4 inches insures the next piece is in line neatly
remember, there are (at least) 5 cables per unit
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:15:12am |
re: #399 boxhead
sounds like a need for better regulated stores that can accept EBT.
more regulation? keep your government hands off my food stamps!!1!1!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:16:39am |
re: #395 Cannadian Club Akbar
Uh, you were suppose to do this yesterday...
AND ,, I "planned it out" yesterday
Yeah ,, thats it ,, planned it out!!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:17:35am |
re: #403 sattv4u2
AND ,, I "planned it out" yesterday
Yeah ,, thats it ,, planned it out!!
So, doodles on a piece of paper?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:17:42am |
Actually ,,, I ran all the wiring (WITH LABELS, BOXHEAD) yesterday
Today, terminate the cables and test program the router
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:18:54am |
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:23:30am |
re: #408 sattv4u2
secret message??
oops... LOL
what I tried to say was that I was talking about under the floor. I agree that the rack need to be tighter, but 4 inches?... I thought I was anal when wiring.... :)
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:24:21am |
re: #405 sattv4u2
Actually ,,, I ran all the wiring (WITH LABELS, BOXHEAD) yesterday
Today, terminate the cables and test program the router
actually, that really does sound like fun to me... heh
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:25:04am |
re: #409 boxhead
oops... LOL
what I tried to say was that I was talking about under the floor. I agree that the rack need to be tighter, but 4 inches?... I thought I was anal when wiring... :)
No,, under the floor all we have to ensure is straight runs, 90 degree turns
no ties there just in case one cable has to be pulled
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:26:40am |
re: #411 sattv4u2
No,, under the floor all we have to ensure is straight runs, 90 degree turns
no ties there just in case one cable has to be pulled
No tubes? you using fiber?
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:27:27am |
damn sattv4u2, I think we nerded out everyone else... LOL
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:27:42am |
re: #411 sattv4u2
No,, under the floor all we have to ensure is straight runs, 90 degree turns
no ties there just in case one cable has to be pulled
Why not just connect 1 cable to another and pull it through?
/I have no idea what you 2 geeks are talkin' 'bout
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:29:13am |
re: #414 Cannadian Club Akbar
Why not just connect 1 cable to another and pull it through?
/I have no idea what you 2 geeks are talkin' 'bout
lol OK... I will stop.... heh... my GF gets bummed when I start talking geek to another geek.... I get all fired up and forget her... LOL
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:30:56am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:31:52am |
re: #416 boxhead
lol OK... I will stop... heh... my GF gets bummed when I start talking geek to another geek... I get all fired up and forget her... LOL
well,,instead of all your big talk, you COULD come over and HELP!!!
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Varek Raith Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:31:55am |
Murdoch Tabloid Accused Of Hacking Murdered Schoolgirl's Phone
As her friends and parents called and left messages imploring Milly to get in touch with them, the News of the World was listening and recording their every private word.But the journalists at the News of the World then encountered a problem. Milly's voicemail box filled up and would accept no more messages. Apparently thirsty for more information from more voicemails, the paper intervened - and deleted the messages that had been left in the first few days after her disappearance. According to one source, this had a devastating effect: when her friends and family called again and discovered that her voicemail had been cleared, they concluded that this must have been done by Milly herself and, therefore, that she must still be alive. But she was not. The interference created false hope and extra agony for those who were misled by it.
The Dowler family then granted an exclusive interview to the News of the World in which they talked about their hope, quite unaware that it had been falsely kindled by the newspaper's own intervention. Sally Dowler told the paper: "If Milly walked through the door, I don't think we'd be able to speak. We'd just weep tears of joy and give her a great big hug."
The deletion of the messages also caused difficulties for the police by confusing the picture when they had few leads to pursue. It also potentially destroyed valuable evidence.
Wow...
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:32:39am |
re: #417 sattv4u2
no tubes
4.5 gig HD/SDI cable
I promised I would stop...... but.... aaarrr
so how about them Dodgers.... oh yeah, they are a mess.... heh
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:33:13am |
re: #418 sattv4u2
well,,instead of all your big talk, you COULD come over and HELP!!!
where? you buying beers after?
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:34:42am |
re: #419 Varek Raith
Britain pretty much invented the tabloid industry and they play for keeps.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:34:56am |
re: #414 Cannadian Club Akbar
Why not just connect 1 cable to another and pull it through?
/I have no idea what you 2 geeks are talkin' 'bout
math..
on one side of the room (same side as the rack I'm working on is) there are 10 racks
Each rack has at least 10 pieces of equipment in them
Each piece has at least 4 cables that all go under the floor to at least 50 feet away to another row of racks
Trying to pull one-for-one through that maze ,, nuh uh
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:35:34am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:36:16am |
re: #424 sattv4u2
Sure (he said, in his best Huck Finn voice)
((or was that supposed to be Tom Sawyer,,,, been decades since I read that)))
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:36:52am |
re: #424 sattv4u2
Sure (he said, in his best Huck Finn voice)
I really do like doing that stuff.... I love to see perfect cables after a big install... :)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:37:08am |
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boxhead Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:37:47am |
re: #426 sattv4u2
((or was that supposed to be Tom Sawyer,,, been decades since I read that)))
i think it was Tom.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:38:30am |
re: #428 Cannadian Club Akbar
ftfy
how can you even type with all that Entenmans frosting on your fingers
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:49:05am |
re: #414 Cannadian Club Akbar
Why not just connect 1 cable to another and pull it through?
/I have no idea what you 2 geeks are talkin' 'bout
Layin' cable.
We women geeks have a joke: which would you rather go out with, a geek or a jock?
A geek. All jocks think about is sports. All geeks think about is sex.
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:51:48am |
It was Scott Adams who pointed out that geeks aren't much fun at dating but make better mates: they are ususally helpful around the house and tend to raise kids who will have jobs before they start having kids...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:53:01am |
re: #432 ralphieboy
It was Bill Gates who pointed out, "Be nice to nerds. Chances are; you'll be working for one."
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Varek Raith Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:59:50am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:01:50am |
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Varek Raith Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:05:13am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:05:48am |
Good Morning Honcos!
I've got only a couple weeks left in my current billet and am taking my guys out for beers tomorrow night to celebrate.
Here is my invite that incorporates most of the Navy's favorite buzz-words in one non-sensical package. (we work mostly Anti-Submarine Warfare systems, hence the first sentence.)
Purpose of the meeting is to brainstorm various non-material and material solutions for the transmission of sound waves through various carbonated liquids discovered throughout the known world. We want to act proactively “From the Sea”; leveraging the littoral best practices for a paradigm breaking six-sigma best business case in the global commons, rightsizing the core values supporting our mission statement via the 5-vector model through cultural diversity.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:06:22am |
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:06:48am |
"Women's right to choose" makes it sound like they are choosing ice cream flavors. In fact they are choosing to abort fetuses in various stages of development. So why not use the right words at least? And why not address the moral problems that the anti-abortionists raise? Surely there can be some middle ground.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:07:22am |
re: #440 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Honcos!
I've got only a couple weeks left in my current billet and am taking my guys out for beers tomorrow night to celebrate.
Here is my invite that incorporates most of the Navy's favorite buzz-words in one non-sensical package. (we work mostly Anti-Submarine Warfare systems, hence the first sentence.)
Purpose of the meeting is to brainstorm various non-material and material solutions for the transmission of sound waves through various carbonated liquids discovered throughout the known world. We want to act proactively “From the Sea”; leveraging the littoral best practices for a paradigm breaking six-sigma best business case in the global commons, rightsizing the core values supporting our mission statement via the 5-vector model through cultural diversity.
So...
It's kind of like Techno babble from Star Trek?
;)
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:10:21am |
Bloomberg now balks on perp walks
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
French critics who angrily denounced the US justice system for subjecting former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn to a humiliating "perp walk" found an unlikely ally yesterday: Mayor Bloomberg.Reversing his position of just seven weeks ago, the mayor denounced as "outrageous" and a "circus" the long-standing practice of marching criminal suspects before photographers and TV cameras when they are transported from station houses to courthouses.
"I've always thought perp walks were outrageous," Bloomberg said yesterday, when asked about Strauss-Kahn's walk of shame following his arrest on charges of sexually assaulting a hotel maid. "That's only my view."
Except on May 17, Hizzoner said, "If you don't want to do the perp walk, don't do the crime."
What a tool.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:14:47am |
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:18:55am |
re: #419 Varek Raith
Families of 7/7 victims 'were targets of phone hacking'
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
The phone-hacking crisis enveloping the News of the World intensified on Tuesday night after it emerged that Scotland Yard has started to contact the relatives of victims of the 7 July 2005 attacks to warn them they were targeted by the paper.The revelation that bereaved family members may have had their mobile phone messages intercepted by Glenn Mulcaire, a private investigator employed by the paper, in the days following the 2005 London bombings will heap further pressure on the title's owner, News International, part of Rupert Murdoch's media empire.
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:21:35am |
I just noticed all the avatars are gone. Is it just me or was their a site change?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:22:07am |
re: #449 RogueOne
I just noticed all the avatars are gone. Is it just me or was their a site change?
Open your other eye. Or just refresh.
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tnguitarist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:22:28am |
re: #449 RogueOne
I just noticed all the avatars are gone. Is it just me or was their a site change?
Still here for me.
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:23:51am |
re: #442 Milty
they are choosing how to deal with their own bodies.
there is the notion that once an embryo is conceived, it ceases to belong to the woman.
that is a moral issue.
until a child is viable outside the mother, it does still at least partially belong to her IMO and she should have the freedom to choose how to deal with it
I do not favor or support abortion, I just believe in a woman's right to decide without compulsion.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:23:56am |
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:24:09am |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:37:02am |
re: #442 Milty
"Women's right to choose" makes it sound like they are choosing ice cream flavors. In fact they are choosing to abort fetuses in various stages of development. So why not use the right words at least?
I thought the right words are, they are choosing to kill the baybeeez!
Mur-durr!
And why not address the moral problems that the anti-abortionists raise? Surely there can be some middle ground.
The middle ground is, nobody has to do what the forced-childbirth concern trolls say.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:43:06am |
The day after the call to the AP, Swanson told Secret Service agent Ronald Brown that he made the call because he was frustrated that the president has not sent him a check for $70 million, which he claims he is owed from a trust fund set up at his birth, court documents show. Brown told him that no trust fund exists.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Okie dokie.
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Shropshire_Slasher Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:43:19am |
I'm sure a link has already been posted, I can't, but I'm still laughing about how a cute little kitten was saved by a leaf blower, lmao
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:44:42am |
Tennessee Title 55 - Motor and Other Vehicles
Chapter 8 - Operation of VehiclesRules of the Road
55-8-187 - Obscene or patently offensive bumper stickers, window signs, etc., prohibited.
[Link: www.cafepress.com...]
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:51:26am |
Federal Wiretaps Nearly Doubled Last Year
[Link: blogs.forbes.com...]
2010, it seems, was a landmark year for federal snooping. According to the U.S. courts systems’ annual report on law enforcement wiretaps, federal law enforcement requested 1,207 intercepts placed on phones and electronic communications last year, nearly double the 663 requested in 2009.Overall, wiretaps jumped 34%, including a smaller increase in the number of state-requested law enforcement eavesdropping. The total comes to 3,194 requests, up from 2,376 in 2009 and just 1,190 in the year 2000.
The steady rise in legal snooping over the last decade has been driven largely by the war on drugs, according to the report. Drug cases comprised 84% of the wiretaps requested in 2010, compared with 75% in 2000.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:58:20am |
re: #460 RogueOne
Federal Wiretaps Nearly Doubled Last Year
[Link: blogs.forbes.com...]
When my roommate sold weed (in the '80's) he would empty the house and place calls saying he had a big shipment coming to see if anyone was listening.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:59:57am |
re: #457 Cannadian Club Akbar
"I must get this cheese to Washington!"
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:10:22am |
re: #442 Milty
"Women's right to choose" makes it sound like they are choosing ice cream flavors. In fact they are choosing to abort fetuses in various stages of development. So why not use the right words at least? And why not address the moral problems that the anti-abortionists raise? Surely there can be some middle ground.
The fact is that women do not "choose" abortion like they choose ice cream flavors. No woman is going to wake up one morning and say, "Hey! I think I'll have an abortion today!" Deciding to get an abortion is not something that you do for "grins."
In fact, I think it is very wrong and misleading to call this a "choice." For many women, abortion is a necessity.
BTW I am personally pro-life.
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iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:10:35am |
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iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:16:31am |
re: #445 RogueOne
Bloomberg now balks on perp walks
[Link: www.nypost.com...]What a tool.
Hey, at least he was for them before he was against them!
/or something
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:17:21am |
" I don't have anything bad to say about today's politicians but I have great respect for organized crime".
-The Amazing Kreskin, on my radio a second ago.
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garhighway Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:21:27am |
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:22:07am |
re: #442 Milty
"Women's right to choose" makes it sound like they are choosing ice cream flavors. In fact they are choosing to abort fetuses in various stages of development. So why not use the right words at least?
Er-- you didn't really make your case there. Why are the words 'right to choose' wrong? You said that they're choosing something. I don't think anyone is under the impression it relates to ice cream.
What would you prefer instead?
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iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:25:48am |
re: #468 Obdicut
What would you prefer instead?
"Heathen godless satan-bitches of communism" is the preferred term I believe.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:26:35am |
re: #468 Obdicut
Now, I'm just guessing here. But I think it would prefer "Baby Murderers" and "People who do not like to murder babies".
But, that's just a guess.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:29:28am |
re: #470 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Somehow I've managed to be pro-choice all these years without ever either getting an abortion myself (huge accomplishment there) or having a partner who's ever had to have one.
Of course, I did volunteer as an escort (not the bow-chicka-bow-bow kind) at an abortion clinic, so I'm going to burn with the rest.
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Ericus58 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:30:56am |
Ah, a summer head cold... and a buzz-kill troll to start the morning.
I contribute this:
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:34:16am |
re: #471 Obdicut
The closest I've ever come was a discussion that I had with my daughter. It was, "If we ever found out that you had an abortion and did not tell us, we would be very disappointed. We love you too much to want you to go through an unwanted pregnancy without the support of your parents. Also, rather than an abortion; we'd prefer to raise the baby ourselves, but it will be your choice."
Sorry excuse for a Right-Wing guy I turned out to be.
Just never been able to get too worked up about the subject.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:34:44am |
re: #472 Ericus58
Ah, a summer head cold... and a buzz-kill troll to start the morning.
I contribute this:
I missed the troll?! Argh, and I had the troll barbecue all warmed up, too!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:36:53am |
re: #474 thedopefishlives
I missed the troll?! Argh, and I had the troll barbecue all warmed up, too!
Class of '04, 116 comments.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:36:57am |
re: #474 thedopefishlives
Trolls be fucked up.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:38:07am |
re: #473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The issue of support is key. The parental notification stuff is always tricky, because so many good parents want it because they think of parents as being people like themselves. They don't think about the asshole who's putting out cigarettes on his daughter's arm, and what he'd do if he was told she was getting an abortion.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:38:47am |
re: #474 thedopefishlives
I missed the troll?! Argh, and I had the troll barbecue all warmed up, too!
There was ice cream, too, apparently.
Your choice of ice cream.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:39:33am |
re: #478 Obdicut
There was ice cream, too, apparently.
Your choice of ice cream.
Stop using that word, you're making its dead body twitch. I'm trying to grill here.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:39:52am |
I'm pro-life.. for the already-born first. Not for the not-born and never-born, first.
Alouette is right about the language of "choice", too. It's more a matter of physical integrity and private medical decisions.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:43:13am |
re: #477 Obdicut
The issue of support is key. The parental notification stuff is always tricky, because so many good parents want it because they think of parents as being people like themselves. They don't think about the asshole who's putting out cigarettes on his daughter's arm, and what he'd do if he was told she was getting an abortion.
Question I always have for those types (and never get an answer): Why do you need the government to notify you of what your offspring are doing, wtf.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:46:36am |
re: #481 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Question I always have for those types (and never get an answer): Why do you need the government to notify you of what your offspring are doing, wtf.
And the answer would come back, "They're teenagers, they don't trust us even though we're trying to be loving and caring parents. Therefore, we need to get the information some other way."
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:47:16am |
re: #480 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I'm pro-life.. for the already-born first. Not for the not-born and never-born, first.
Alouette is right about the language of "choice", too. It's more a matter of physical integrity and private medical decisions.
I mean to say that it is not a choice as in "chocolate or vanilla" it's a "choice" (if you can even call it that) as in "life or death."
Also, abortion is not, and should not be, the primary method of birth control. There are many better methods.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:47:22am |
re: #481 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Question I always have for those types (and never get an answer): Why do you need the government to notify you of what your offspring are doing, wtf.
Once someone hits 18, it's no ones business. Can't get pierced before you're 18 w/o guardians approval. Same with taking medicine at skool.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:48:47am |
I'm downloading Abode Web Premium 5.5
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:50:03am |
re: #484 Cannadian Club Akbar
Once someone hits 18, it's no ones business. Can't get pierced before you're 18 w/o guardians approval. Same with taking medicine at skool.
My daughters (and my granddaughters except for one who keeps BEGGING her mother for earrings!) got their ears pierced before they were 5.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:51:03am |
re: #482 thedopefishlives
And the answer would come back, "They're teenagers, they don't trust us even though we're trying to be loving and caring parents. Therefore, we need to get the information some other way."
Sounds like people who don't trust their own parenting methods.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:51:03am |
re: #486 Alouette
My daughters (and my granddaughters except for one who keeps BEGGING her mother for earrings!) got their ears pierced before they were 5.
With approval of a consenting adult? When I was young that was the only way.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:55:27am |
re: #487 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Sounds like people who don't trust their own parenting methods.
That's basically the long and short of it, and being a new parent, I can kinda understand. The thing is, as was mentioned upthread, it's kinda difficult to find a way to give this sort of information to parents who want it in order to help, while keeping it away from parents who intend on doing harm.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:57:50am |
re: #483 Alouette
I mean to say that it is not a choice as in "chocolate or vanilla" it's a "choice" (if you can even call it that) as in "life or death."
There are people I've known who don't see it that way. There no choice in that situation: the potential life is more important than the one providing the gestational services. My personal view is 180 degrees opposite.
Also, abortion is not, and should not be, the primary method of birth control. There are many better methods.
I don't even entertain the abortion is birth control argument. In my book, it's a red herring.
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laZardo Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:59:06am |
re: #129 WindUpBird
where are my Reagan-orthodox quotes, I need to smear my naked body in them to get the socialism off
This just made me furry for WUB.
...
I'm sorry.
/also good evening.
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iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:00:56am |
re: #489 thedopefishlives
Exactly right.
The "parental consent" rider really exposes the "small government" position for what it really is: a desire to concentrate power in the person demanding "small government".
Whenever decreased regulation might result in power accruing to a lower-status individual (a child who can have an abortion, a person of color who can attend college) it's suddenly all about "parental consent", "anti-affirmative action" and other such regulation.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:05:00am |
re: #489 thedopefishlives
That's basically the long and short of it, and being a new parent, I can kinda understand. The thing is, as was mentioned upthread, it's kinda difficult to find a way to give this sort of information to parents who want it in order to help, while keeping it away from parents who intend on doing harm.
Yeah, it goes back to that old "role of government" issue. It's like that idiotic circumcision ban some dumb bigots put on the ballot in my city. I oppose it primarily on religious freedom grounds, but also on quasi "pro-choice" grounds, i.e. why is some ahole group proposing my broke-ass city government spend resources on snooping around in people's medical records for if they're getting certain procedures done, wtf.
I really wish the backers would have tried to get me to sign the ballot petition. I do miss not being able to give them a verbal pop in the mouth.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:05:29am |
Phoenix dust storm...
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:15:13am |
re: #494 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yeah, it goes back to that old "role of government" issue. It's like that idiotic circumcision ban some dumb bigots put on the ballot in my city. I oppose it primarily on religious freedom grounds, but also on quasi "pro-choice" grounds, i.e. why is some ahole group proposing my broke-ass city government spend resources on snooping around in people's medical records for if they're getting certain procedures done, wtf.
I really wish the backers would have tried to get me to sign the ballot petition. I do miss not being able to give them a verbal pop in the mouth.
I only regret that I have but one upding to give to this comment.
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laZardo Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:16:40am |
re: #486 Alouette
My daughters (and my granddaughters except for one who keeps BEGGING her mother for earrings!) got their ears pierced before they were 5.
That's how you know they have cooties.
/
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:23:47am |
re: #498 darthstar
Mornin' agitators.
Mornin'. Freshly roasted troll is on the sidebar, courtesy of our friends FBV and Obdicut. Seasoning today is a light maple smoke flavor.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:27:59am |
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:28:03am |
re: #483 Alouette
Also, abortion is not, and should not be, the primary method of birth control. There are many better methods.
It's Abstinence Only around her, mister!
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Varek Raith Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:30:03am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:32:54am |
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:38:04am |
re: #452 Varek Raith
Define your 'middle ground'.
How about -- a woman was raped, she can choose to have an abortion. A woman was a victim of incest, she can choose to have an abortion. In both cases I imagine she should also not have to pay from her own pocket.
A woman got pregnant because she slept with some guy, maybe she wasn't careful, maybe she wanted the baby and then she regretted it. She can abort the baby at her own expense if the pregnancy is not advanced, but the father should also have some kind of say, it is his baby, too.
As to what is "advanced" and what is still an early stage, that is not an easy question to answer. But there should be some understanding for the position that says that beyond a certain stage of pregnancy you are doing something that is morally very problematic. And there should also be some understanding that a baby is not just the mother's, it is also the father's.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:40:23am |
re: #503 thedopefishlives
I'm sorry, WHAT? Isn't that effectively depriving people of the right to vote?
It's being dicks for no fucking reason, basically.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:41:52am |
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darthstar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:43:27am |
re: #505 Obdicut
It's being dicks for no fucking reason, basically.
Just wait until poll workers cite the new law when they give intentionally misleading information to people.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:43:33am |
re: #505 Obdicut
It's being dicks for no fucking reason, basically.
No--it gives the poll workers the chance to help the right people and ignore the wrong people. It definitely has a reason.
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iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:44:27am |
re: #504 Milty
How about -- a woman was raped, she can choose to have an abortion. A woman was a victim of incest, she can choose to have an abortion. In both cases I imagine she should also not have to pay from her own pocket.
We already have this. Republicans want to make it harder for these women to have abortions.
A woman got pregnant because she slept with some guy, maybe she wasn't careful, maybe she wanted the baby and then she regretted it. She can abort the baby at her own expense if the pregnancy is not advanced, but the father should also have some kind of say, it is his baby, too.
"A woman lent a man $5. The man bought a car. Now he can't afford the repayments and wants to get rid of it. But the woman should be able to have some kind of say. It's her car too."
Similarly nonsensical.
As to what is "advanced" and what is still an early stage, that is not an easy question to answer. But there should be some understanding for the position that says that beyond a certain stage of pregnancy you are doing something that is morally very problematic. And there should also be some understanding that a baby is not just the mother's, it is also the father's.
Yes, and we already have this situation too, but Republicans want to essentially prevent any abortion from happening. You are arguing the pro-choice position here, bud.
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:45:00am |
re: #504 Milty
. And there should also be some understanding that a baby is not just the mother's, it is also the father's.
As long as this embryo is not viable without the mother, I see it as part of her body and I believe it should be her decision alone.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:45:01am |
re: #508 Decatur Deb
No--it gives the poll workers the chance to help the right people and ignore the wrong people. It definitely has a reason.
Yeah, this is exactly the thought that went through my head when I read the headline. Given the proportion of crazy that makes up the Republican Party, I wouldn't put dirty tricks past them, at all.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:45:57am |
re: #468 Obdicut
Er-- you didn't really make your case there. Why are the words 'right to choose' wrong? You said that they're choosing something. I don't think anyone is under the impression it relates to ice cream.
What would you prefer instead?
I don't think it is just about women. It is about women, men, babies, the concept of family and sexual mores. One of the reasons conservatives oppose easy abortion is that it goes hand in hand with having sex with whomever you want whenever you want, whereas the old fashioned concept of family and morality involved, at least outwardly, disapproval of casual sex and social/moral pressure to have sex within wedlock.
This is not necessarily such a bad thing, when one looks at the result of the sexual revolution/feminism, with the divorce rates sky high and the high percentage of kids who grow up in what we used to call broken homes, with much greater risk of getting into all sorts of sad trouble.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:46:45am |
re: #508 Decatur Deb
No--it gives the poll workers the chance to help the right people and ignore the wrong people. It definitely has a reason.
Amazingly blatant law, no?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:47:17am |
re: #506 darthstar
I can see that backfiring, as most Democrats already know where to vote.
Depending on the level of election and routine changes in the way things are done, I've voted in 4 locations since I moved to this address. The chance of confusion is high, so the best GOTV will gain. Older voters might also be at a disadvantage, but somehow I see them getting more pollworker 'help'.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:47:23am |
re: #504 Milty
How about -- a woman was raped, she can choose to have an abortion. A woman was a victim of incest, she can choose to have an abortion. In both cases I imagine she should also not have to pay from her own pocket.
How are you going to require that she prove she was raped? An actual conviction of the rapist? Or take her word on it?
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:48:04am |
re: #504 Milty
How about -- a woman was raped, she can choose to have an abortion. A woman was a victim of incest, she can choose to have an abortion. In both cases I imagine she should also not have to pay from her own pocket.
A woman got pregnant because she slept with some guy, maybe she wasn't careful, maybe she wanted the baby and then she regretted it. She can abort the baby at her own expense if the pregnancy is not advanced, but the father should also have some kind of say, it is his baby, too.
As to what is "advanced" and what is still an early stage, that is not an easy question to answer. But there should be some understanding for the position that says that beyond a certain stage of pregnancy you are doing something that is morally very problematic. And there should also be some understanding that a baby is not just the mother's, it is also the father's.
How is a woman supposed to PROVE that she was raped? Police reports, rape kits? Isn't that an additional humiliation heaped on a victim? The only way to make sure that a rape victim can obtain an abortion without being singled out for additional humiliation...is to allow abortion for everyone.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:50:00am |
re: #512 Milty
I don't think it is just about women. It is about women, men, babies, the concept of family and sexual mores.
Congrats, this response made no sense in relation to the point I was making.
You were complaining about the language being 'pro-choice'. You then defined what they were doing as, well, choosing. So what is your preferred terminology?
One of the reasons conservatives oppose easy abortion is that it goes hand in hand with having sex with whomever you want whenever you want,
How so?
This is not necessarily such a bad thing, when one looks at the result of the sexual revolution/feminism, with the divorce rates sky high and the high percentage of kids who grow up in what we used to call broken homes, with much greater risk of getting into all sorts of sad trouble.
I'm sorry, you're objecting to feminism now? You're saying feminism lead to divorce?
What does the divorce rate have to do with feminism, except in that women aren't financially dependent on men anymore?
What does the divorce rate have to do with the sexual revolution?
You're really not making much sense.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:50:10am |
re: #512 Milty
This is not necessarily such a bad thing, when one looks at the result of the sexual revolution/feminism, with the divorce rates sky high and the high percentage of kids who grow up in what we used to call broken homes, with much greater risk of getting into all sorts of sad trouble.
And there it is right there. Look, I'm a conservative Christian, and I can tell you that the divorce rate is as high or higher inside the Christian community than outside. Traditional conservative mores are not going to halt the rise of divorce rates, broken homes, and troubled children any more than the increased sexual liberation of the modern era causes it. The problem lies with individual accountability and the loss thereof, not anything having to do with morality.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:50:47am |
re: #509 iossarian
We already have this. Republicans want to make it harder for these women to have abortions.
"A woman lent a man $5. The man bought a car. Now he can't afford the repayments and wants to get rid of it. But the woman should be able to have some kind of say. It's her car too."
Similarly nonsensical.
Yes, and we already have this situation too, but Republicans want to essentially prevent any abortion from happening. You are arguing the pro-choice position here, bud.
So at what stage is the fetus considered not abortable in the U.S.?
As for the lending 5$ bit... come on, you don't believe that. Also, a woman can go ahead and have the baby and then sue a man for child support. How does that jibe with the $5 used car metaphor?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:51:03am |
re: #504 Milty
How about -- a woman was raped, she can choose to have an abortion. A woman was a victim of incest, she can choose to have an abortion. In both cases I imagine she should also not have to pay from her own pocket.
A woman got pregnant because she slept with some guy, maybe she wasn't careful, maybe she wanted the baby and then she regretted it. She can abort the baby at her own expense if the pregnancy is not advanced, but the father should also have some kind of say, it is his baby, too.
His say is easy: refrain from having sex with someone who does not share his views about childbearing. He can find someone else to get pregnant. That would require he talk about it prior to unzipping, though.
The rest of what you said is consistent with the law. The caveats about morality are quaint, but not everyone shares it nor should anyone have to.
How about, nobody has a say in the matter except for the one expected to carry to term and the one expected to carry out the delivery.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:51:48am |
re: #518 thedopefishlives
Ah, that's a good point. Divorce rates among evangelicals-- who have those supposed morals-- are sky-high. Part of this is due to the fact they marry young and often, but if the moral code was what was needed to halt divorce, where's the evidence of that?
Divorce is more common now because it's easier to obtain, and women are more able to financially support themselves on their own.
Kind of simple.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:52:44am |
re: #512 Milty
I don't think it is just about women. It is about women, men, babies, the concept of family and sexual mores. One of the reasons conservatives oppose easy abortion is that it goes hand in hand with having sex with whomever you want whenever you want, whereas the old fashioned concept of family and morality involved, at least outwardly, disapproval of casual sex and social/moral pressure to have sex within wedlock.
This is not necessarily such a bad thing, when one looks at the result of the sexual revolution/feminism, with the divorce rates sky high and the high percentage of kids who grow up in what we used to call broken homes, with much greater risk of getting into all sorts of sad trouble. /slipperyslope /skyisfalling
FIFY
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:53:10am |
re: #519 Milty
No metaphors actually work.
Please make a moral and ethical argument for why the man should have any say in the decision to abort. Remember that asserting 'it's his fetus (which you keep calling baby for some reason) too' is not an actual argument.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:53:18am |
re: #518 thedopefishlives
And there it is right there. Look, I'm a conservative Christian, and I can tell you that the divorce rate is as high or higher inside the Christian community than outside. Traditional conservative mores are not going to halt the rise of divorce rates, broken homes, and troubled children any more than the increased sexual liberation of the modern era causes it. The problem lies with individual accountability and the loss thereof, not anything having to do with morality.
I'm from Israel and the divorce rate in the religious sector is much lower than the divorce rate in the religious sector.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:54:32am |
Whee! I got hate mail!
You disgrace our national flag. Better take the Jew star of yours off from our national flag. Your culture and insane fucking religion is poison to this planet and its sane inhabitants.
I don't know whose national flag I put the "Jew star" on. This flag spoof contains no "Jew star."
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:55:45am |
re: #524 Milty
I'm from Israel and the divorce rate in the religious sector is much lower than the divorce rate in the religious sector.
But-- that's not true among evangelicals in the US. So why not engage with that fact, even if it is inconvenient for your argument?
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:55:50am |
re: #524 Milty
I'm from Israel and the divorce rate in the religious sector is much lower than the divorce rate in the religious sector.
WTF?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:56:00am |
The wingnuts were all excited last week about some stupid article about Obama losing the Jewish vote. Meanwhile in reality...
Despite criticisms on Middle East, Obama commands strong Jewish backing
President Barack Obama maintains a "solid majority" of Jewish-American support despite a recent outcry among some in the community over his position on Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations, according to a Gallup poll released Tuesday.
"Jewish Americans gave President Barack Obama a 60% job approval rating in June, down from 68% in May, but statistically unchanged from 64% in April,” according to an analysis of monthly polling figures. “Thirty-two percent of U.S. Jews now disapprove of the job Obama is doing, similar to their 30% average thus far in 2011."
"Gallup's monthly trend in Jewish approval of Obama continues to roughly follow the path of all Americans' approval of the president, more generally, as it has since Obama took office in January 2009.”
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 6:57:44am |
re: #524 Milty
I'm from Israel and the divorce rate in the religious sector is much lower than the divorce rate in the religious sector.
That would be cultural pressure, not necessarily strict adherence to a religious code.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:00:56am |
re: #517 Obdicut
Congrats, this response made no sense in relation to the point I was making.
You were complaining about the language being 'pro-choice'. You then defined what they were doing as, well, choosing. So what is your preferred terminology?
How so?
I'm sorry, you're objecting to feminism now? You're saying feminism lead to divorce?
What does the divorce rate have to do with feminism, except in that women aren't financially dependent on men anymore?
What does the divorce rate have to do with the sexual revolution?
You're really not making much sense.
I am talking about what Christina Hoff Sommers defines as gender feminism, as opposed to equity feminism.
It is pretty obvious, I think, that the never-ending gender war does not help people achieve wedded bliss or get over difficult patches in their marriages. Somehow it seems to me that slogans like "the personal is political" and the politicization of relations between the sexes do not really do wonders for love between men and women.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:01:37am |
re: #529 thedopefishlives
That would be cultural pressure, not necessarily strict adherence to a religious code.
Also a statistical quirk, if all religious get married, and many secular couples don't. Depends on what 'rate' measures.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:02:01am |
re: #530 Milty
I am talking about what Christina Hoff Sommers defines as gender feminism,
"The neutrality of this article is disputed."
Better source?
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:02:21am |
re: #529 thedopefishlives
That would be cultural pressure, not necessarily strict adherence to a religious code.
So maybe cultural pressure is good? When one looks at society as a whole, stability is important, too, not just individual pursuit of happiness.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:02:36am |
re: #525 Alouette
Whee! I got hate mail!
I don't know whose national flag I put the "Jew star" on. This flag spoof contains no "Jew star."
Manischewitzbaggers have a flag?
/
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:03:26am |
re: #533 Milty
last statistic I read some years back was that the divorce rate for self-declared "Evangelical Christians" was almost identical to the overall divorce rate: around 30%
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:03:26am |
re: #533 Milty
So maybe cultural pressure is good? When one looks at society as a whole, stability is important, too, not just individual pursuit of happiness.
Maybe it is, but you're moving the goalposts now. The point is that enforcing traditional religious values by legislation is not going to impose the kind of stability you're wanting. Change, as they say, must come from within.
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:04:32am |
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:05:13am |
re: #532 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
"The neutrality of this article is disputed."
Better source?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:06:30am |
re: #538 ralphieboy
The emblem of the Glass-Tea Party?
Israel doesn't have enough die-hards, revanchists, and single-issue parties.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:07:11am |
re: #532 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
"The neutrality of this article is disputed."
Better source?
I do not think anyone disputes that CHS defines gender feminism vs. equity feminism as described there.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:07:39am |
re: #530 Milty
I am talking about what Christina Hoff Sommers defines as gender feminism, as opposed to equity feminism.
So why did you just say 'feminism' earlier?
Here's some more questions you've skipped. The first one is the most important: you really need to answer it for your views on abortion to make any sense. That you've dodged it makes me think that you're unwilling to have an actual conversation about this.
How are you going to require that she prove she was raped? An actual conviction of the rapist? Or take her word on it?
You were complaining about the language being 'pro-choice'. You then defined what they were doing as, well, choosing. So what is your preferred terminology?
What does the divorce rate have to do with the sexual revolution?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:08:56am |
re: #533 Milty
So maybe cultural pressure is good? When one looks at society as a whole, stability is important, too, not just individual pursuit of happiness.
Look, I know the idea of a woman with complete bodily autonomy is a dire threat to certain people's lifestyles. Or, at the very least they think it is, because they see it as a zero sum game. That's not the way rights works, not in this country, at least not in 2011.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:11:20am |
re: #541 Milty
I do not think anyone disputes that CHS defines gender feminism vs. equity feminism as described there.
You should read through your own link, then.
I recommend doing so before posting, next time.
Besides, you are wrong about whatever you've been told about feminism, abortion, divorce, changing social mores, and whatever else seems to be bugging you about the concept of abortion rights.
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:12:28am |
women are vile temptresesses and without the threat of unwanted pregnancy and childbirth to keep them in line, they will continue to seduce good Christian men with their wiles.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:14:00am |
Fox: White House Using Twitter to Bully Critics
One such example happened last week in a dispute over the budget.
Eder posted this tweet: "Hmm ... it can't be true that @SenateDems haven't passed a budget in 790 days and the only plan Obama has is a speech. Right, @jesseclee44?"
To which Lee responded: "@keder @SenateDems Plan is keep negotiating w/ Rs & Ds, not default & trash economy, not voucherize Medicare to fund more tax cuts for rich."
Lee's obsession has impressed Eder, even if he's a bit baffled by the White House's decision to engage with him so aggressively.
Outrageous!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:15:16am |
re: #545 ralphieboy
women are vile temptresesses and without the threat of unwanted pregnancy and childbirth to keep them in line, they will continue to seduce good Christian men with their wiles.
The frightening thing is, there are probably a lot of rabid right-wing Christian ideologues who think like this, just like their Muslim counterparts who agitate for the hijab/burkha and other similar anti-female campaigns in other parts of the world.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:21:36am |
re: #542 Obdicut
So why did you just say 'feminism' earlier?
Here's some more questions you've skipped. The first one is the most important: you really need to answer it for your views on abortion to make any sense. That you've dodged it makes me think that you're unwilling to have an actual conversation about this.
How are you going to require that she prove she was raped? An actual conviction of the rapist? Or take her word on it?
You were complaining about the language being 'pro-choice'. You then defined what they were doing as, well, choosing. So what is your preferred terminology?
What does the divorce rate have to do with the sexual revolution?
Re: how to prove that she was raped -- I am not sure, I need to think about it. In any case, if the pregnancy is not advanced, she can abort it, so I assume that there would be no problem for most rape cases.
"Pro-abortions-on-demand" might be better than "pro-choice."
And "pro-restrictions on abortions" might be better than "pro-life."
Seems to me the divorce rate has everything to do with the sexual revolution. Certainly the sexual revolution makes it less important to get married in the first place. So if it is less important to be married, it is also less important to stay married.
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:22:54am |
re: #547 thedopefishlives
The frightening thing is, there are probably a lot of rabid right-wing Christian ideologues who think like this, just like their Muslim counterparts who agitate for the hijab/burkha and other similar anti-female campaigns in other parts of the world.
that is the very line of thinking behind it: men cannot keep their cocks in their own trousers, it must be the women's fault, so let's make them pqay for men's inability to control themselves.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:23:19am |
re: #547 thedopefishlives
The frightening thing is, there are probably a lot of rabid right-wing Christian ideologues who think like this, just like their Muslim counterparts who agitate for the hijab/burkha and other similar anti-female campaigns in other parts of the world.
I think a lot think pregnancy/childbirth is supposed to be some kind of punishment.
Either for being natural temptresses or just flat-out sluts.
Make a mistake? We will force you to carry to term, and get the power of the state to ensure it!
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:25:51am |
re: #550 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I think a lot think pregnancy/childbirth is supposed to be some kind of punishment.
Either for being natural temptresses or just flat-out sluts.
Make a mistake? We will force you to carry to term, and get the power of the state to ensure it!
Seems to me it is mostly gender feminists who see childbirth as a punishment. I think some of them even call women who believe in having children "breeders" and nice stuff like that.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:30:49am |
Wingnuts caught lying again....
$278K per Stimulus Job? White House Says No.
Liz Ozhorn, a White House spokesman for the stimulus bill, said that the Weekly Standard report “is based on partial information and false analysis. "
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:32:35am |
Jonah Goldberg (the guy that taught us that Nazis were leftists) lol's at racism....
‘That’s Racist’
The accusation becomes a punch line.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:33:16am |
re: #548 Milty
Re: how to prove that she was raped -- I am not sure, I need to think about it. In any case, if the pregnancy is not advanced, she can abort it, so I assume that there would be no problem for most rape cases.
But you haven't defined what advanced is. Can you do so now?
"Pro-abortions-on-demand" might be better than "pro-choice."
Why? That misdescribes a lot of people who are pro-choice.
You do realize that you're pro-choice, right? From the positions you've taken, you're in the 'pro-choice' camp.
Seems to me the divorce rate has everything to do with the sexual revolution. Certainly the sexual revolution makes it less important to get married in the first place. So if it is less important to be married, it is also less important to stay married.
Um, you're alleging in the good old days, people married just because they couldn't stand not having sex? That's rather cynical of you.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:34:00am |
Better yet:
Instead of "pro-choice" and "pro-life", I suggest "those who favor unrestricted abortion policies" vs. "those who favor restrictive abortion policies."
That could make for a more productive discussion imo.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:34:00am |
re: #551 Milty
Seems to me it is mostly gender feminists who see childbirth as a punishment. I think some of them even call women who believe in having children "breeders" and nice stuff like that.
Dearie, I've lived in San Francisco and worked in Berkeley and I have never met one of these gender feminists. Why are you so agitated about them?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:34:21am |
re: #548 Milty
Re: how to prove that she was raped -- I am not sure, I need to think about it. In any case, if the pregnancy is not advanced, she can abort it, so I assume that there would be no problem for most rape cases.
But it's not up to you to determine the medical decisions of people you don't even know.
"Pro-abortions-on-demand"
Fine with me. I enjoy telling the squeamish I am not simply "pro choice", I am pro-abortion. With or without the approval of control freaks/concern trolls/family values/Mecklenborg's, too.
And "pro-restrictions on abortions" might be better than "pro-life."
Wordsmithing. The whackodoodle antiaborts should just come clean and call themselves "pro state-forced childbirth".
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:34:27am |
re: #506 darthstar
I can see that backfiring, as most Democrats already know where to vote.
Assuming the polling station is the same as last time, sure. But districts get adjusted; stations get closed or moved. Those are the most frequent causes of people going to the wrong place - it was right last time, not this time.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:35:27am |
re: #555 Milty
Better yet:
Instead of "pro-choice" and "pro-life", I suggest "those who favor unrestricted abortion policies" vs. "those who favor restrictive abortion policies."
I call false dilemma. Those are not the only two options.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:35:57am |
re: #551 Milty
Seems to me it is mostly gender feminists who see childbirth as a punishment. I think some of them even call women who believe in having children "breeders" and nice stuff like that.
That is by no means all feminists (or "gender" feminists, whatever that means), it's just a few random whackjobs like Alice Walker.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:36:39am |
re: #548 Milty
Seems to me the divorce rate has everything to do with the sexual revolution. Certainly the sexual revolution makes it less important to get married in the first place. So if it is less important to be married, it is also less important to stay married.
You're conflating correlation with causation. The timing of the sexual revolution and the rise of the divorce rate is closely correlated, but they are not causative. Men were getting divorced long before the sexual revolution; however, now that women are able to get their own divorces and support themselves without a husband, the divorce rate has increased, as women begin seeking freedom from abusive or otherwise unsatisfactory relationships.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:38:17am |
re: #554 Obdicut
But you haven't defined what advanced is. Can you do so now?
Why? That misdescribes a lot of people who are pro-choice.
You do realize that you're pro-choice, right? From the positions you've taken, you're in the 'pro-choice' camp.
Um, you're alleging in the good old days, people married just because they couldn't stand not having sex? That's rather cynical of you.
Of course people marry because they want to have sex.
I am not sure what "advanced" is. Maybe you know. I imagine that somewhere in the second trimester, it becomes advanced.
Like I said, I do not see this as being pro-choice vs. pro-life but as finding the right compromise between being too restrictive and too lax on abortion. And also somehow realizing that we need to be more pro-family or Judeo-Christian society goes down the drain.
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:39:46am |
re: #561 thedopefishlives
We always used to go to grandma's house for Sunday dinner after church. I never really asked or thought to ask why grandma never went to church.
Turns out she was divorced, and as such, excluded from attending services at our church. Not just divorced: she ran off with a boarder, as it turns out...(I was aware all along that grandpa was actually a step-granddad, but the latter part I only found out as an adult)
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:42:29am |
re: #560 Alouette
That is by no means all feminists (or "gender" feminists, whatever that means), it's just a few random whackjobs like Alice Walker.
Yeah, they say that here in Israel, too, but it's not true. The whackjobs wind up running the show, in my experience. At least in Israel they do.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:42:35am |
re: #562 Milty
And also somehow realizing that we need to be more pro-family or Judeo-Christian society goes down the drain.
That is the job of religion, and to be sure, in the United States at least, the Christian Church is doing a terrible job of it. But legistlating specific religious morality is not in the cards for America. Fine, perhaps, for Israel, which has a dedicated religious heritage; but on this side of the pond, religious freedom is a right, and "Judeo-Christian society" doesn't fly.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:43:19am |
re: #565 thedopefishlives
PIMF: "legislating". Derp.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:43:32am |
re: #551 Milty
Seems to me it is mostly gender feminists [whatevs] who see childbirth as a punishment.
The comment was meant to highlight the punitive feelings articulated by the more strident antiaborts and had nothing to do with this silly "gender feminism" bugbear.
I think some of them even call women who believe in having children "breeders" and nice stuff like that.
You seem misinformed about the wide world of feminism.
You should read that article you linked, even if it IS marked "the neutrality of this article is disputed." I urge you to find a better source than that one to back up your arguments.
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:43:51am |
re: #562 Milty
Wait, you have to be married to have sex?
You mean all these folks have been doing it wrong? Oh wait, they were actually married to one person, but having sex with others (and that's far from a complete or updated list).
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:44:35am |
re: #562 Milty
Of course people marry because they want to have sex.
I am not sure what "advanced" is. Maybe you know. I imagine that somewhere in the second trimester, it becomes advanced.
I go by brain function, which really doesn't come together until quite late in the pregnancy. Around month seven or so.
Is that alright with you?
Like I said, I do not see this as being pro-choice vs. pro-life but as finding the right compromise between being too restrictive and too lax on abortion. And also somehow realizing that we need to be more pro-family or Judeo-Christian society goes down the drain.
A) You haven't actually provided any reason to be anything other than lax on abortion.
B) Again, this makes you 'pro-choice' in modern lexicon.
| 570 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:44:44am |
The Linguine with Sardines, Fennel & Tomato looks really good and I have all the ingredients on hand. Fennel grows very easily in the garden.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:45:25am |
re: #561 thedopefishlives
You're conflating correlation with causation. The timing of the sexual revolution and the rise of the divorce rate is closely correlated, but they are not causative. Men were getting divorced long before the sexual revolution; however, now that women are able to get their own divorces and support themselves without a husband, the divorce rate has increased, as women begin seeking freedom from abusive or otherwise unsatisfactory relationships.
It used to be that almost everyone was married and if you weren't, you were under pressure to marry. Being divorced looked bad, too, for both men and women. People were expected to marry and live happily ever after. Maybe it didn't work out that way for a lot of them, or even for most of them. Maybe there was a lot of hypocrisy and abuse that no one spoke about out loud. But there are some good things to be said for those times, too.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:46:45am |
re: #562 Milty
I do not see this as being pro-choice vs. pro-life but as finding the right compromise between being too restrictive and too lax on abortion.
We already have the right compromise: it's called Roe vs Wade.
And also somehow realizing that we need to be more pro-family or Judeo-Christian society goes down the drain.
Incorrect. No person is beholden to live according to your personal lifestyle choice, just because that is your preference. Sorry.
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Ericus58 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:46:53am |
re: #562 Milty
Of course people marry because they want to have sex.
I am not sure what "advanced" is. Maybe you know. I imagine that somewhere in the second trimester, it becomes advanced.
Like I said, I do not see this as being pro-choice vs. pro-life but as finding the right compromise between being too restrictive and too lax on abortion. And also somehow realizing that we need to be more pro-family or Judeo-Christian society goes down the drain.
What is this "Judeo-Christian society" you speak of?
Does that include the Native Americans who were here first? How about all those other folks that have come to America from other parts of the world with their own religious beliefs?
This Nation was not established upon a set of principle and laws that only originated from a specific religion.
We are not a Theocracy.
I quite sure the Declaration of Independence, Consitution, Bill of Rights and the vast civil and criminal laws we have in our nation attest to that.
Non-Judeo-Christian people can be very "pro-family" also.....
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:47:21am |
re: #571 Milty
So in other words, everyone needs to be married or they're doing it wrong. Am I reading this correctly? I don't want to be arguing a strawman, but I find it hard to believe what I'm reading.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:47:46am |
re: #568 lawhawk
Wait, you have to be married to have sex?
You mean all these folks have been doing it wrong? Oh wait, they were actually married to one person, but having sex with others (and that's far from a complete or updated list).
At least it was considered wrong. Nowadays it's not even scandalous. I sometimes feel like being married is considered scandalous.
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AK-47% Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:48:16am |
re: #571 Milty
Maybe there was a lot of hypocrisy and abuse that no one spoke about out loud. But there are some good things to be said for those times, too.
Ward and June Cleaver
Rob and laura petrie
Ralph and Alice Kramden
all sleeping in separate twin beds, of course. that's what kept marriages healthy back then...it was a real scandal when ABC's "Love American Style" actually showed married couples sharing a double bed.
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:48:30am |
re: #555 Milty
Better yet:
Instead of "pro-choice" and "pro-life", I suggest "those who favor unrestricted abortion policies" vs. "those who favor restrictive abortion policies."
That could make for a more productive discussion imo.
No, it would not. I'm pro-choice. I favor some restrictions. I'll go "no restrictions" before I sign on to Terry Randall's anti-woman campaign.
For the record, the restrictions I favor boil down to viability. If the fetus has the potential to become a functional adult if removed from the uterus then it shouldn't be aborted. If it can't survive if removed from the uterus, regardless of viability, then abortion is a valid choice. If it will die within hours or weeks due to malformation, abortion is a valid choice regardless of ability to survive outside the uterus.
Should the father have a say? Not until the man's contribution is equivalent. Sperm donation is not equivalent. Maybe - I'm willing to discuss this - if the man is providing support (income, house, etc.). But the boyfriend who's providing no support? No - little red hen rules apply.
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Ericus58 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:48:53am |
re: #571 Milty
"But there are some good things to be said for those times, too."
That is soo 19th century....
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:52:23am |
re: #571 Milty
It used to be that almost everyone was married and if you weren't, you were under pressure to marry. Being divorced looked bad, too, for both men and women. People were expected to marry and live happily ever after.
Lol the state also restricted marriage by race. Let's return to that, too.
Maybe it didn't work out that way for a lot of them, or even for most of them. Maybe there was a lot of hypocrisy and abuse that no one spoke about out loud. But there are some good things to be said for those times, too.
Thankfully, we do not live in that fantasy of the past, we live in 2011.
Next year, we will live in 2012. Each year moves us all further and further from the golden age of special rights for bigots. We're not returning to them.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:52:47am |
re: #575 Milty
At least it was considered wrong. Nowadays it's not even scandalous. I sometimes feel like being married is considered scandalous.
Well, you're wrong. I have no clue where you get this idea from-- you'd think the television shows about marriages, the huge to-do made about the royal wedding, and just generally the reception of society to a married couple in general would disabuse you of this kind of paranoid notion.
I married my wife in San Francisco. Our friends tend towards the liberal side, including actual professors at Berkeley and one woman who was definitely a '60s feminist. And yet they showed up happy as hell to our wedding, bought us nice gifts, and cheered when I stomped the glass.
Where are you getting this persecution complex from? It's not reality.
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blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:52:56am |
re: #571 Milty
It used to be that almost everyone was married and if you weren't, you were under pressure to marry. Being divorced looked bad, too, for both men and women. People were expected to marry and live happily ever after. Maybe it didn't work out that way for a lot of them, or even for most of them. Maybe there was a lot of hypocrisy and abuse that no one spoke about out loud. But there are some good things to be said for those times, too.
Oh sure. Women were expected to be married with 8 kids by the time she was 30. Husband was lord and master. Supper on the table at 5pm, breakfast at 5am.
Now there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a big family. But women have more choices today, just like men have enjoyed throughout history.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:53:13am |
re: #575 Milty
At least it was considered wrong. Nowadays it's not even scandalous. I sometimes feel like being married is considered scandalous.
/ohbrother
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:54:10am |
re: #574 thedopefishlives
So in other words, everyone needs to be married or they're doing it wrong. Am I reading this correctly? I don't want to be arguing a strawman, but I find it hard to believe what I'm reading.
Does the concept of "social norm" carry any meaning for you? Certain things are considered normal and desirable by any society. Others are not. We have few norms left but I guess walking naked down the street is still considered undesirable, as is pedophilia.
Western society has very few family-related norms left, it seems, as compared to more conservative societies. Westerners marry less, have less children, and their societies gradually get older. Muslim societies, by comparison, are young and aggressive, and they procreate. Does any of this make you think maybe there is a problem?
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Ericus58 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:57:00am |
And now we get to the bottom line of this "concerned discussion"...
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iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:57:06am |
re: #583 Milty
Does the concept of "social norm" carry any meaning for you? Certain things are considered normal and desirable by any society. Others are not. We have few norms left but I guess walking naked down the street is still considered undesirable, as is pedophilia.
Western society has very few family-related norms left, it seems, as compared to more conservative societies. Westerners marry less, have less children, and their societies gradually get older. Muslim societies, by comparison, are young and aggressive, and they procreate. Does any of this make you think maybe there is a problem?
We need to have more children so we can win the endless war against BAD BAD BAD ISLAM!!!
I see where this is going now.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:57:08am |
re: #583 Milty
Yes, if there's anything I think of when looking at Muslim culture in the Mid-East, it's "We need to be more like that!"
//
Seriously, think about what the hell you're saying.
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blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:57:53am |
re: #583 Milty
Does the concept of "social norm" carry any meaning for you? Certain things are considered normal and desirable by any society. Others are not. We have few norms left but I guess walking naked down the street is still considered undesirable, as is pedophilia.
Western society has very few family-related norms left, it seems, as compared to more conservative societies. Westerners marry less, have less children, and their societies gradually get older. Muslim societies, by comparison, are young and aggressive, and they procreate. Does any of this make you think maybe there is a problem?
When you start comparing not being married, to pedophilia, you lose.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:57:57am |
re: #583 Milty
Does the concept of "social norm" carry any meaning for you? Certain things are considered normal and desirable by any society. Others are not. We have few norms left but I guess walking naked down the street is still considered undesirable, as is pedophilia.
Western society has very few family-related norms left, it seems, as compared to more conservative societies. Westerners marry less, have less children, and their societies gradually get older. Muslim societies, by comparison, are young and aggressive, and they procreate. Does any of this make you think maybe there is a problem?
Western society also used to have social norms such as, "Couples must not be of mixed race" and, "Black people are inferior to white people". Should we go back to those? No? Then you need to get used to a simple concept: SOCIAL NORMS CHANGE. They aren't necessarily objectively good or bad in and of themselves (except in some obvious cases); they just are, and they flow over time as our understanding of humanity changes. Going back to the 19th century isn't going to make anything any better, and I would argue it'd make things a whole hell of a lot worse.
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 6, 2011 7:58:04am |
re: #562 Milty
Of course people marry because they want to have sex.
I am not sure what "advanced" is. Maybe you know. I imagine that somewhere in the second trimester, it becomes advanced.
Like I said, I do not see this as being pro-choice vs. pro-life but as finding the right compromise between being too restrictive and too lax on abortion. And also somehow realizing that we need to be more pro-family or Judeo-Christian society goes down the drain.
Wait, you're hung up about Judeo-Christian society? ahem.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Most people get hung up about the offices, but I emphasized "public trust" for a reason. The public trust is the responsibility the public places on government to care for their interests. Most public trust doctrine revolves about land and water use, but the full public trust is that the government will act with care of their general interests.
Judeo-Christian society may be YOUR ideal, but it's not constitutionally supported.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:01:51am |
re: #583 Milty
Western society has very few family-related norms left, it seems, as compared to more conservative societies.
Then go live in one of those.
Westerners marry less, have less children, and their societies gradually get older. Muslim societies, by comparison, are young and aggressive, and they procreate. Does any of this make you think maybe there is a problem?
You sound jealous. I suspect a lot of social conservatives are indeed envious of the more whackodoodle Muslim societies, since they are even more effective at repression than their own traditions.
A lot of Muslim countries are also run by dictators, have zero religious or any other kind of freedom, zero gender equity/women's suffrage, have the death penalty for, corporally punihs, or criminalize homosexuality, and are totally social repressed.
If that's what you want, move to Saudi Arabia or Iran. You're not getting it here, sorry.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:04:24am |
Hey, sorry. I apparently am just offending all of you.
Yes, I think we have a slight problem with Islam. I realize Charles is no longer in the same place politically as he was in the aftermath of 9/11 and I knew I was not going to get much sympathy but I thought I'd try anyways.
Like I said, yes -- I do think there is a problem with being overly liberal. The problem is, society sort of dies off and loses its spunk (yeah, yeah, I know. Spunk).
If the choice is between present day family values and the Cleavers -- I get that you would prefer the present. Have you given any thought to the possibility that the alternative to having something slightly more Cleaverish is being replaced by Ahmed and Fatima?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:04:34am |
re: #585 iossarian
We need to have more children so we can win the endless war against BAD BAD BAD ISLAM!!!
I see where this is going now.
All my personal frustrations are those gender feminists' fault!
They want evil, non Judeo-Christian things like abortion and divorce and are probably all lesbians, too, even though I think that's hot, just so long as they don't demand to get married like their superiors, though! Anyway!
The sky is falling! Ann Coulter is right, we never should have allowed them to vote! /chickenlittle
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:07:09am |
re: #591 Milty
I realize Charles is no longer in the same place politically as he was in the aftermath of 9/11
Stop right there. Just stop. You're done. Charles hasn't gone anywhere, relatively speaking; American politics has tilted on its axis after Bush's reelection.
Have you given any thought to the possibility that the alternative to having something slightly more Cleaverish is being replaced by Ahmed and Fatima?
If you seriously think that's going to happen, I feel sorry for you. I've got news for you: It won't.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:07:10am |
re: #591 Milty
Have you given any thought to the possibility that the alternative to having something slightly more Cleaverish is being replaced by Ahmed and Fatima?
/skyisfalling
rotfl
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iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:08:45am |
re: #591 Milty
Hey, sorry. I apparently am just offending all of you.
I wouldn't say offending. Amusing, possibly.
Yes, I think we have a slight problem with Islam. I realize Charles is no longer in the same place politically as he was in the aftermath of 9/11 and I knew I was not going to get much sympathy but I thought I'd try anyways.
CHARLES Y U NO HATE MUSLIM ANYMORE???
Like I said, yes -- I do think there is a problem with being overly liberal. The problem is, society sort of dies off and loses its spunk (yeah, yeah, I know. Spunk).
Making an argument against liberalism on a blog that would be banned under any non-liberal regime has satiated my craving for irony for at least the next 15 minutes.
If the choice is between present day family values and the Cleavers -- I get that you would prefer the present. Have you given any thought to the possibility that the alternative to having something slightly more Cleaverish is being replaced by Ahmed and Fatima?
ENDLESS WAR IS THE ONLY TRUTH. CONFORM OR THE ISLAMOFEMINISTS WIN.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:09:04am |
re: #595 iossarian
Oh, well done with the meme. You win an internet.
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:09:22am |
re: #583 Milty
You do realize that the Cleavers weren't even the typical family during the time they were portraying things - right? It was an idealized version of reality.
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Aye Pod Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:09:37am |
re: #573 Ericus58
What is this "Judeo-Christian society" you speak of?
One that follows a big angry white faced God?
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SpaceJesus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:09:52am |
ugh, fox news website headline and picture is ridiculous.
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blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:10:34am |
re: #591 Milty
Hey, sorry. I apparently am just offending all of you.
Yes, I think we have a slight problem with Islam. I realize Charles is no longer in the same place politically as he was in the aftermath of 9/11 and I knew I was not going to get much sympathy but I thought I'd try anyways.
Like I said, yes -- I do think there is a problem with being overly liberal. The problem is, society sort of dies off and loses its spunk (yeah, yeah, I know. Spunk).
If the choice is between present day family values and the Cleavers -- I get that you would prefer the present. Have you given any thought to the possibility that the alternative to having something slightly more Cleaverish is being replaced by Ahmed and Fatima?
And yet, the rightwing in this country eschews the rise of the hispanic
population who historically are Catholic and have large families.
Is it really about liberalism, or skin color?
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The Left Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:11:23am |
re: #591 Milty
Have you given any thought to the possibility that the alternative to having something slightly more Cleaverish is being replaced by Ahmed and Fatima?
They're both better names than Beaver.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:12:12am |
re: #598 Jimmah
One that follows a big angry white faced God?
If He's so angry, wouldn't His face be red instead of white?
/ducks
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:12:12am |
re: #591 Milty
Like I said, yes -- I do think there is a problem with being overly liberal. The problem is, society sort of dies off and loses its spunk (yeah, yeah, I know. Spunk).
If the choice is between present day family values and the Cleavers -- I get that you would prefer the present. Have you given any thought to the possibility that the alternative to having something slightly more Cleaverish is being replaced by Ahmed and Fatima?
If your yardstick is abortion (which it seems to be, I haven't really been following the conversation all that closely) then why doesn't the bible prohibit abortion. It was a well known procedure at the time yet not mentioned in the bible. Throughout the history of Christianity the opinions on abortion have varied greatly over the centuries. Same goes with the founding fathers. The made no prohibition on abortion in the Constitution even though it was common practice in colonial America. Our early history here in America had few if any restrictions on abortion and attempts to outlaw it completely is a fairly recent thing. Religions (Jews, Muslims, Hindus Buddhists) and different sects of Christianity have various views on abortion. Why only use the modern Evangelical Christian position as the yardstick of morality for everyone else?
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:12:56am |
OK, then, you guys win, it's your territory.
But maybe look at how well things are going in Oslo, before you totally close the door on my message.
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Aye Pod Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:13:51am |
re: #590 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You sound jealous. I suspect a lot of social conservatives are indeed envious of the more whackodoodle Muslim societies, since they are even more effective at repression than their own traditions.
Definitely. One of the deranged 'teachers' in "Jesus Camp" very explicitly exhorts the kids to emulate "middle eastern muslim children who are ready to die for their religion".
| 607 |
Jeff In Ohio Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:14:41am |
I see the Clown College Class of '04 has released another graduate.
Jesus / Fetus Inajar '12!
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The Left Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:14:43am |
re: #605 Milty
OK, then, you guys win, it's your territory.
But maybe look at how well things are going in Oslo, before you totally close the door on my message.
[Video]
Yes, this really fits in well with the rest of your message, whatever the hell that is. Brown peepul outbreeding us and taking our wimmins!
BTW, Christina Hoff Sommers is a wellknown crank and anti-feminist, so I see where you've been going.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:16:32am |
re: #591 Milty
Hey, sorry. I apparently am just offending all of you.
Yes, I think we have a slight problem with Islam. I realize Charles is no longer in the same place politically as he was in the aftermath of 9/11 and I knew I was not going to get much sympathy but I thought I'd try anyways.
I have a problem with Islam as its practiced and taught in much of the Middle East, which is why I'm weirded out that you're recommending we emulate them.
If the choice is between present day family values and the Cleavers -- I get that you would prefer the present. Have you given any thought to the possibility that the alternative to having something slightly more Cleaverish is being replaced by Ahmed and Fatima?
Yeah, I've thought that it's a false dichotomy for some time now.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:17:36am |
re: #598 Jimmah
One that follows a big angry white faced God?
If god was angry, I would think the Fundies would be reevaluating their values. Texas - severe drought. Arizona - sand storm. Georgia - fruit rotting in the fields. Maybe god is vengeful after all. Just not where they think.
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The Left Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:18:09am |
re: #607 Jeff In Ohio
I see the Clown College Class of '04 has released another graduate.
Jesus / Fetus Inajar '12!
Neither of them have birth certificates-- ALeRt teh MeDIa!
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The Left Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:19:00am |
re: #610 Jeff In Ohio
If god was angry, I would think the Fundies would be reevaluating their values. Texas - severe drought. Arizona - sand storm. Georgia - fruit rotting in the fields. Maybe god is vengeful after all. Just not where they think.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:19:26am |
re: #610 Jeff In Ohio
If god was angry, I would think the Fundies would be reevaluating their values. Texas - severe drought. Arizona - sand storm. Georgia - fruit rotting in the fields. Maybe god is vengeful after all. Just not where they think.
yeah, we're getting pretty tired of all their bullshit up here
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iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:20:10am |
re: #610 Jeff In Ohio
If god was angry, I would think the Fundies would be reevaluating their values. Texas - severe drought. Arizona - sand storm. Georgia - fruit rotting in the fields. Maybe god is vengeful after all. Just not where they think.
"That's why I love mankind."
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:21:54am |
re: #605 Milty
OK, then, you guys win, it's your territory.
But maybe look at how well things are going in Oslo, before you totally close the door on my message.
I really, really, really hope you don't think no one has heard this claptrap message before.
We're not going back to the set of some fictional 50's television show.
Legal samesex marriage is becoming more accepted.
So is single parenthood, deal with it.
We're not getting in the time machine and going back to your ideal world when it was illegal for women to vote, the government could sterilize us at will, the government outlawed married couples from using birth control, and the federal government allowed it to be illegal to marry someone of a different race.
Don't like our marriage/family laws and definitions? Move to some repressive country and give up your own rights. I'm not giving up mine just so you can feel more comfortable in the world.
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:23:09am |
re: #591 Milty
Amusing, in a trollish kind of way. Seeing as I was here well before you established your account in 2004, I'd say that you're just looking for attention before Charles decides to throw down the hammer.
Perhaps you don't quite realize that the war against Islamic terrorists isn't a war against Islam; the Islamic terrorists in AQ, any of their spinoffs, or Hamas, Hizbullah, Taliban, etc., are more than comfortable murdering more of their fellow Muslims who they consider to be nonbelievers because they don't sufficiently practice Islam to the level that the terrorists believe they should. They consider anyone who doesn't practice Islam as they do to be nonbelievers worthy of being murdered.
A clash of civilizations is occurring, but not between Christianity and Islam. It's between these terrorist barbarians (terrorists who cloak their hatred, venom and nihilism in a distorted version of Islam) and everyone else. GWB got it right when he was saying that we aren't in a war against Islam, but against terrorists who distorted religious tenets in Islam to put jihad against everyone else ahead of all else.
| 617 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:25:25am |
re: #616 lawhawk
We're in a struggle between liberalism and fundamentalism, is what it is. "Conservatives" in the US sometimes don't realize or acknowledge the extent to which they enjoy liberalism in their/our society.
| 618 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:31:49am |
re: #608 iceweasel
Yes, this really fits in well with the rest of your message, whatever the hell that is. Brown peepul outbreeding us and taking our wimmins!
BTW, Christina Hoff Sommers is a wellknown crank and anti-feminist, so I see where you've been going.
I tried to be nice.
| 619 |
SpaceJesus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:33:11am |
thank you fox, for letting me know what kim kardashian thinks of the anthony trial. i was dying to know. america's #1 news source....
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
| 620 |
SpaceJesus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:39:39am |
10 space dollars says some fox idiot kills casey within 2 weeks
| 621 |
Gepetto Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:43:03am |
re: #560 Alouette
"because, look, I've got two daughters -- 9 years old and 6 years old. I'm going to teach them first of all about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."--President Obama
| 622 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:46:17am |
re: #619 SpaceJesus
thank you fox, for letting me know what kim kardashian thinks of the anthony trial. i was dying to know. america's #1 news source...
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Yeah, ironic that Kim had a take, being that her dad was one of the lawyers who got OJ off.
Good morning all!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:50:27am |
re: #620 SpaceJesus
10 space dollars says some fox idiot kills casey within 2 weeks
She'll have to move and change her name.
| 624 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:51:35am |
re: #618 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I tried to be nice.
You're all right. Just stay out of Cairo.
| 625 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:52:03am |
| 626 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:54:24am |
re: #624 Milty
You're all right. Just stay out of Cairo.
As noted above, your "solution" is for our society to become more like Cairo, not less.
| 627 |
blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:54:40am |
re: #621 Gepetto
"because, look, I've got two daughters -- 9 years old and 6 years old. I'm going to teach them first of all about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."--President Obama
He could have phrased that differently, but the point is he wants his daughters to have a choice.
BTW, who do you want to tar and feather?
| 628 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:55:00am |
| 629 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:55:46am |
re: #621 Gepetto
"because, look, I've got two daughters -- 9 years old and 6 years old. I'm going to teach them first of all about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."--President Obama
Just went to the funeral of a friend's son who had to deal with an unwanted child at age 18 and ended up killing himself a few years later.
| 630 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:56:19am |
re: #626 iossarian
As noted above, your "solution" is for our society to become more like Cairo, not less.
Muslims didn't invent family values or religion, you know.
| 631 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:59:18am |
re: #591 Milty
I realize Charles is no longer in the same place politically as he was in the aftermath of 9/11...
And where do you think I was "politically" after 9/11? The problem is that a lot of you far right social conservatives just assumed I was on board for the whole agenda -- anti-abortion, anti-science, anti-women's rights, xenophobic.
You were wrong. Just because I favored a strong response to the 9/11 attacks doesn't mean I agreed with your entire repressive agenda. You know what they say about assuming.
| 632 |
Ericus58 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:00:44am |
I didn't know that pinwheels could post....
spin, spin, spin....
| 633 |
Ericus58 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:01:37am |
re: #630 Milty
Muslims didn't invent family values or religion, you know.
Pam called - you're wanted back on her blog.
| 635 |
Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:02:54am |
re: #630 Milty
Muslims didn't invent family values or religion, you know.
Neither did the so called christians.
| 636 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:04:28am |
re: #631 Charles
The boss-man cometh. Let the smackdown commence.
| 637 |
wrenchwench Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:04:50am |
re: #633 Ericus58
Pam called - you're wanted back on her blog.
I was thinking we might have an annoyed fan of the EDL here.
| 638 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:05:02am |
re: #630 Milty
Muslims didn't invent family values or religion, you know.
"Family values" were invented long before humans invented gods and religions. There are many types of family values. Family values isn't some concoction conceived by white American Protestants in the latter 20th century.
| 639 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:06:23am |
Fort Hood shooter wil face death penalty.
I thought this was a no brainier. But now let's see if it is carried out upon conviction. (and sorry if this is a repost)
| 640 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:06:31am |
re: #638 Gus 802
"Family values" were invented long before humans invented gods and religions. There are many types of family values. Family values isn't some concoction conceived by white American Protestants in the latter 20th century.
He's talking about Family Values, not family values.
| 641 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:06:43am |
re: #638 Gus 802
"Family values" were invented long before humans invented gods and religions. There are many types of family values. Family values isn't some concoction conceived by white American Protestants in the latter 20th century.
Lyrics from "God's Song", as posted above:
I recoil in horror from the foulness of thee
from the squalor and the filth and the misery
How we laugh up here in heaven at the prayers you offer me
That's why I love mankind
| 642 |
kirkspencer Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:06:46am |
re: #605 Milty
OK, then, you guys win, it's your territory.
But maybe look at how well things are going in Oslo, before you totally close the door on my message.
[Video]
Yeah, I had to go digging. This is a lie.
The report it references is at [Link: www.politi.no...] .
Page 52 is the start of the section on nationality and citizenship of the offender. See for a specific page 54. Even if you can't read Norwegian or use Google Translate the chart's pretty easy to figure out. In 2010, 38.2% of offenders were Norse, 13.7 European, and 2.3% American. So much for all of them being non-Western.
Again, the video reporters are lying. It's that simple.
| 643 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:07:10am |
| 644 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:08:18am |
| 645 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:08:57am |
re: #640 Decatur Deb
He's talking about Family Values, not family values.
Yep. He's talking about the bumper sticker. Televangelist family values. The consumerist conspicuous consumption of "values".
"Hey everybody look at me! I have Family Values™! I'm better than you!"
//
| 646 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:10:21am |
re: #639 Cannadian Club Akbar
Fort Hood shooter wil face death penalty.
I thought this was a no brainier. But now let's see if it is carried out upon conviction. (and sorry if this is a repost)
Wow, it's been quite a while since a military court has issued a death sentence.
| 647 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:10:25am |
Is Killgore here? Got a soup question.
| 649 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:10:43am |
re: #605 Milty
That video is a racist piece of garbage. What the hell is wrong with you?
| 650 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:10:58am |
re: #646 Killgore Trout
Wow, it's been quite a while since a military court has issued a death sentence.
I wanna say the '60's.
| 651 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:11:41am |
| 652 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:11:51am |
re: #642 kirkspencer
Yeah, I had to go digging. This is a lie.
The report it references is at [Link: www.politi.no...] .
Page 52 is the start of the section on nationality and citizenship of the offender. See for a specific page 54. Even if you can't read Norwegian or use Google Translate the chart's pretty easy to figure out. In 2010, 38.2% of offenders were Norse, 13.7 European, and 2.3% American. So much for all of them being non-Western.
Again, the video reporters are lying. It's that simple.
This is the kind of crap the "counter jihad" bloggers pass around. It's pure dishonest bigotry and racism.
| 653 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:12:54am |
re: #651 Killgore Trout
That sounds about right.
Actually, last time it was carried out was the 60's. They may have gone after the death penalty since but never enforced it.
| 654 |
lawhawk Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:13:28am |
re: #649 Charles
Kinda telling when the only ones picking up that video are Brussels Journal, BNP, and other similar sites.
| 655 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:14:11am |
re: #654 lawhawk
Kinda telling when the only ones picking up that video are Brussels Journal, BNP, and other similar sites.
The leftist media cannot allow the TRUTH to be told, you know that.
| 656 |
lawhawk Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:17:13am |
re: #655 iossarian
Sith, Jedi. Absolutes.
Anytime someone says 100% of a particular thing engages in an action or 100% of an outcome is the result of a specific group, be suspicious. That video reeked of bogus statistics, and thankfully Kirk tracked that down (see above).
| 657 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:17:59am |
re: #649 Charles
That video is a racist piece of garbage. What the hell is wrong with you?
If you read the whole discussion (and I'm not blaming you if you didn't), the guy is basically advocating for the return of male supremacy so that we can outbreed and thus defeat the Muslim threat. Or something like that.
| 658 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:19:06am |
re: #656 lawhawk
100%? I was always skeptical when 4 out of 5 Dentist recommended Trident.
/
| 659 |
blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:19:19am |
re: #657 thedopefishlives
If you read the whole discussion (and I'm not blaming you if you didn't), the guy is basically advocating for the return of male supremacy so that we can outbreed and thus defeat the Muslim threat. Or something like that.
We have to beat them at their own game!!
/
| 660 |
Gepetto Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:19:44am |
re: #627 blueraven
I was just pointing out that the President is in the "baby-as-punishment" camp, so its not only "whackjobs".
And, these days, I want to tar and feather most of our elected public servants. I believe that many of them have shown little adherence to the beneficial planks of either party, and have become more craven and quite bold in their brigandry. When the electorate becomes too focused on examples of how they've sold us out, the socon issue bell is rung, and we predictably retreat and howl at each other from our respective corners. Thus are we divided to the benefit of our representatives-turned-masters. Tar and feathers, public shaming, and a railride outta town is not only warranted, but may become necessary for the lot of them.
| 661 |
Ericus58 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:19:56am |
re: #658 Cannadian Club Akbar
100%? I was always skeptical when 4 out of 5 Dentist recommended Trident.
/
the other option was Hubba Bubba Bubble gum
/
| 663 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:20:54am |
Cripes. The old school 101st Chairborne anti-Jihadi bullshit is pathetic.
| 664 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:21:56am |
| 665 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:22:02am |
re: #651 Killgore Trout
What's the easiest method for skimming scum off chicken soup? I use a large ladle, but Zedushka is the one doing the soup-skimming while I'm at work and he just can't get the hang of it. I went to Chowhound and other foodie sites, and they give very complicated instructions for boiling the chicken separately, then dumping the water, then boiling again...NO FREAKING WAY is Zedushka going to do that!
I prep the chicken soup the night before and leave it in the fridge, then all Zedushka has to do is fill the pot with water and bring it to a boil. He has to scrape off the scum that builds up.
| 666 |
wrenchwench Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:22:22am |
re: #662 Charles
Is this Right Wing Nutjob day at LGF?
Can you disable the 'Forgot Your Password?' feature?
| 667 |
Gepetto Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:22:32am |
re: #629 iossarian
thats terrible and very very sad. he wanted the child aborted and the mother would not comply?
| 668 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:23:54am |
re: #660 Gepetto
I was just pointing out that the President is in the "baby-as-punishment" camp, so its not only "whackjobs".
And, these days, I want to tar and feather most of our elected public servants. I believe that many of them have shown little adherence to the beneficial planks of either party, and have become more craven and quite bold in their brigandry. When the electorate becomes too focused on examples of how they've sold us out, the socon issue bell is rung, and we predictably retreat and howl at each other from our respective corners. Thus are we divided to the benefit of our representatives-turned-masters. Tar and feathers, public shaming, and a railride outta town is not only warranted, but may become necessary for the lot of them.
Decaffeinated Tea.
| 669 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:24:02am |
re: #660 Gepetto
I was just pointing out that the President is in the "baby-as-punishment" camp, so its not only "whackjobs".
And, these days, I want to tar and feather most of our elected public servants. I believe that many of them have shown little adherence to the beneficial planks of either party, and have become more craven and quite bold in their brigandry. When the electorate becomes too focused on examples of how they've sold us out, the socon issue bell is rung, and we predictably retreat and howl at each other from our respective corners. Thus are we divided to the benefit of our representatives-turned-masters. Tar and feathers, public shaming, and a railride outta town is not only warranted, but may become necessary for the lot of them.
So. Are you willing to pay everytime a poor young girl becomes pregnant? That would include pre-natal, birth, and post-natal care. Then you'll need entitlements similar to welfare. Are you willing to pay more in taxes for these services? I mean. While perhaps it could be argued that it's not really "punishment" I assume you think it's really easy when a poor teenager become pregnant right?
| 670 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:24:05am |
re: #665 Alouette
A ladle can get the scum. A piece or pieces of bread can remove excess fat.
| 671 |
blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:24:28am |
re: #660 Gepetto
I was just pointing out that the President is in the "baby-as-punishment" camp, so its not only "whackjobs".
And, these days, I want to tar and feather most of our elected public servants. I believe that many of them have shown little adherence to the beneficial planks of either party, and have become more craven and quite bold in their brigandry. When the electorate becomes too focused on examples of how they've sold us out, the socon issue bell is rung, and we predictably retreat and howl at each other from our respective corners. Thus are we divided to the benefit of our representatives-turned-masters. Tar and feathers, public shaming, and a railride outta town is not only warranted, but may become necessary for the lot of them.
Because of one statement, you think Obama believes that babies are punishment? Ok fair enough I suppose, in this sound bite society.
Are you a tea party person?
| 672 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:25:00am |
re: #665 Alouette
Practice makes perfect? Personally, I find it easier sometimes to use a wooden spoon, but then, I'm pretty handy in the kitchen, and it sounds like Zedushka is not so much.
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Gepetto Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:25:39am |
re: #634 Gus 802
good point. have you any indication that the President has changed his position now that he's been President for acouple of years, and if so, how?
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iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:26:54am |
re: #667 Gepetto
thats terrible and very very sad. he wanted the child aborted and the mother would not comply?
I'm not going to discuss it any further with someone who is taking a single quote and trying to make a case that Obama is some baby-hating ogre who conspires with George Soros and FEMINISTS to undermine our nation's glorious patriarchal path to righteous cleansing in the fire of nuclear warheads.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:27:29am |
re: #672 thedopefishlives
Practice makes perfect? Personally, I find it easier sometimes to use a wooden spoon, but then, I'm pretty handy in the kitchen, and it sounds like Zedushka is not so much.
He HATES scraping the soup, but not as much as he hates eating soup with scum bits in it. So I promised I would "scrape" the Internet looking for helpful household hints on how to achieve a perfectly clear soup. Some of the foodie sites give these very complicated instructions.
Maybe I will buy one of those fine mesh strainers.
| 676 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:28:20am |
re: #673 Gepetto
good point. have you any indication that the President has changed his position now that he's been President for acouple of years, and if so, how?
So, to recap, you're going to insist that one statement by Barack Obama discussing the consequences of an unplanned pregnancy means that he views all babies as "punishment?"
Why don't you put down the talking points for a minute and actually think about what you're saying?
| 677 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:28:27am |
re: #675 Alouette
Maybe I will buy one of those fine mesh strainers.
That was going to be my other suggestion, actually. Very handy tool.
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iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:28:47am |
re: #675 Alouette
Maybe I will buy one of those fine mesh strainers.
I was going to suggest a muslin bag stretched around a wire coat hanger, bent to fit?
| 679 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:29:27am |
re: #665 Alouette
What's the easiest method for skimming scum off chicken soup? I use a large ladle, but Zedushka is the one doing the soup-skimming while I'm at work and he just can't get the hang of it. I went to Chowhound and other foodie sites, and they give very complicated instructions for boiling the chicken separately, then dumping the water, then boiling again...NO FREAKING WAY is Zedushka going to do that!
I prep the chicken soup the night before and leave it in the fridge, then all Zedushka has to do is fill the pot with water and bring it to a boil. He has to scrape off the scum that builds up.
I use a fine mesh strainer like this one to scoop it out. if you put the strainer in the freezer for a few minutes it gets very cold and when you go to scoop the excess fat in the broth will congeal and attach itself to the strainer. just rinse it off, put it back in the freezer and you're ready to scoop again in a few minutes.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:30:03am |
re: #676 Charles
Why don't you put down the talking points for a minute and actually think about what you're saying?
That would require one to be capable of rational thought.
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:30:22am |
re: #665 Alouette
What's the easiest method for skimming scum off chicken soup? I use a large ladle, but Zedushka is the one doing the soup-skimming while I'm at work and he just can't get the hang of it. I went to Chowhound and other foodie sites, and they give very complicated instructions for boiling the chicken separately, then dumping the water, then boiling again...NO FREAKING WAY is Zedushka going to do that!
I prep the chicken soup the night before and leave it in the fridge, then all Zedushka has to do is fill the pot with water and bring it to a boil. He has to scrape off the scum that builds up.
I use a small wire mesh strainer if there's a lot, or the spoon I'm using for stirring if not.
| 682 |
Ericus58 Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:32:37am |
Goodness, this talk about soups iz makin' me hungry!!!
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Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:34:04am |
re: #673 Gepetto
good point. have you any indication that the President has changed his position now that he's been President for acouple of years, and if so, how?
That wasn't a position. He was just answering a question during the campaign. It was regarding contraception and HIV/AIDS. The position is to provide contraception information and accessibility. There's nothing there about teaching young girls that getting pregnant is a punishment. But the reality is that society and economics does tend to treat teen pregnancy as a punishment of sorts. That's the reality of things for the poor and sometimes even wealthy people in the form of social ostracization and such. The question read:
MARY SNOW (CNN correspondent): Welcome back to CNN's edition of Ballot Bowl. This is a chance for you to hear directly from the candidates. I'm Mary Snow in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, where Senator Barack Obama is holding a town hall meeting right now, taking questions from the audience. Let's go straight to Senator Barack Obama; he just was asked a question about how his administration, if he's elected, would deal with the issue of HIV and AIDS and also sexually transmitted diseases with young girls. Here's Senator Barack Obama.
OBAMA: -- or we give them really expensive surgery and we don't spend money on the front end keeping people healthy in the first place. So, when it comes to -- when it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include -- which should include abstinence only -- should include abstinence education and teaching that children -- teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include -- it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I've got two daughters -- 9 years old and 6 years old. I'm going to teach them first of all about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16.
You know, so, it doesn't make sense to not give them information. You still want to teach them the morals and the values to make good decisions. That will be important, number one. Then we're still going to have to provide better treatment for those who do have -- who do contract HIV/AIDS, because it's no longer a death sentence, if, in fact, you get the proper cocktails. It's expensive. That's why we want to prevent as much as possible.
But we should also provide better treatment. And we should focus on those sectors where it's prevalent and we've got to get over the stigma because understand that the fastest growth in HIV/AIDS is in heterosexuals, not gays. And so, we've got to get out of that stigma that we still have around it. It's connected also to drug use. So, one of the things we have to do is to start thinking about better substance abuse treatment programs around drugs and not just treat it as a criminal justice issue. Treat it as a public health issue as well....
| 684 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:34:27am |
re: #683 Gus 802
And it continues:
Obama: So -- but this all is connected to the idea of prevention and so my health care plan says, you know what? I don't want kids in the emergency room for treatable illnesses like asthma. I want them to get a primary care doctor and have regular check-ups and, you know, if we decreased obesity rates back to the rates that existed back in 1980, we would save the Medicare system a trillion dollars -- one trillion dollars because that's what's accounting for huge spikes in heart disease and diabetes and all kinds of preventable illnesses.
So we've got to put emphasis on that. Let me say one last thing, though. I'm going to use the presidential bully pulpit to start talking about people taking responsibility. We were talking about education earlier. It doesn't matter how good the job the schools are doing, if parents, you don't turn off your TV sets and put away your video games and make your kids do your homework and meet with the teachers, it won't make any difference. And the same is true on health care. I mean, some of us just have bad luck, and -- or genetically, are predisposed to certain diseases.
But, you know, if we're not all making some effort to get exercise and, you know, eat properly and not smoke and, you know, and I know -- I've had my own little battles. You know, I used to sneak a few cigarettes once in a while. My wife cut me off at the pass. She announced on 60 Minutes, she said, you know, "Yeah, he used to smoke once in a while, and he promised me. So if you catch him, anybody out there" -- but that was good. I think we all have to take some responsibility for these issues as well. That's going to be important. All right, I've got time for one more question.
| 685 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:36:12am |
"Good news honey! Our 13 year old daughter got pregnant!"
Not gonna happen.
| 686 |
Gepetto Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:36:58am |
re: #669 Gus 802
So. Are you willing to pay everytime a poor young girl becomes pregnant? That would include pre-natal, birth, and post-natal care. Then you'll need entitlements similar to welfare. Are you willing to pay more in taxes for these services? I mean. While perhaps it could be argued that it's not really "punishment" I assume you think it's really easy when a poor teenager become pregnant right?
yes, I think "punishment" is the wrong angle. but i certainly don't think "blessing" is the right word in many circumstances either. I'm not sure you've understood the point of my first post, which was that it is not only "whackjobs" that refer to unintended pregnancies as "punishment."
| 687 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:41:47am |
re: #686 Gepetto
yes, I think "punishment" is the wrong angle. but i certainly don't think "blessing" is the right word in many circumstances either. I'm not sure you've understood the point of my first post, which was that it is not only "whackjobs" that refer to unintended pregnancies as "punishment."
That's just semantics. The point is that a teenage girl shouldn't be getting pregnant in this society. In order to prevent that pregnancy -- since American teens are very sexually active -- those teens need to have access to condoms and other forms of contraception. And that same contraception helps to prevent abortions and thus economic and other social hardships. It's a win-win policy.
| 688 |
blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:44:05am |
re: #686 Gepetto
yes, I think "punishment" is the wrong angle. but i certainly don't think "blessing" is the right word in many circumstances either. I'm not sure you've understood the point of my first post, which was that it is not only "whackjobs" that refer to unintended pregnancies as "punishment."
No, you said, "the President is in the baby-as-punishment camp" all based on one line that was part of a very nuanced statement as Gus presented above.
| 689 |
Gepetto Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:45:40am |
re: #671 blueraven
thats what he said. i have to assume he believes it. In the greater context of the quote, he also considers STD's as punishment. It was all in a response to a sex education question, as I recall.
And no, I'm not a Tea Party person. I absolutely think we've been sold out to corporate interests, and sold cheap, at that. Concurrently, I dislike political solutions or movements wrapped in fundamentalist religious cloth. I suppose that makes me a man without a party right now.
| 690 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:46:28am |
Fox found more video of blacks beating up whites.....
'Oh, White Girl Bleeds a Lot' ... Race Mob Attack Rocks Milwaukee
Sample comment....
S
oon we will be reduced to Celtic Warriors Vs the New Zulu Nation
| 691 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:47:19am |
re: #689 Gepetto
thats what he said. i have to assume he believes it. In the greater context of the quote, he also considers STD's as punishment. It was all in a response to a sex education question, as I recall.
Why are you refusing to pay attention to the context of his speech?
| 692 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:47:39am |
re: #679 Killgore Trout
I use a fine mesh strainer like this one to scoop it out. if you put the strainer in the freezer for a few minutes it gets very cold and when you go to scoop the excess fat in the broth will congeal and attach itself to the strainer. just rinse it off, put it back in the freezer and you're ready to scoop again in a few minutes.
Zedushka just came by while I had the screen open with the picture of the mesh strainer and he said "Yeah! That's just what I need!"
| 693 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:48:43am |
re: #649 Charles
That video is a racist piece of garbage. What the hell is wrong with you?
I think that is a major TV station in Norway. I believe they are talking about a specific category within the rape category, which can be translated as "assault rape." That category is apparently monopolized by Muslims.
But seriously Charles, you think there is no sexual assault campaign being waged against Europeans? These stories are all bogus?
| 695 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:50:05am |
re: #693 Milty
What? A "sexual assault campaign being waged against Europeans"? Where in the fecking world do you get this from?
| 696 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:50:25am |
re: #693 Milty
You've dodged away from the previous discussion with some alacrity. You never responded if a 7 month time period where abortions were allowed was okay with you or not.
| 697 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:50:37am |
re: #692 Alouette
Zedushka just came by while I had the screen open with the picture of the mesh strainer and he said "Yeah! That's just what I need!"
heh.
| 698 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:53:21am |
re: #695 Gus 802
What? A "sexual assault campaign being waged against Europeans"? Where in the fecking world do you get this from?
The mad part.
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blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:53:53am |
re: #689 Gepetto
thats what he said. i have to assume he believes it. In the greater context of the quote, he also considers STD's as punishment. It was all in a response to a sex education question, as I recall.
And no, I'm not a Tea Party person. I absolutely think we've been sold out to corporate interests, and sold cheap, at that. Concurrently, I dislike political solutions or movements wrapped in fundamentalist religious cloth. I suppose that makes me a man without a party right now.
I think if you give his statement a fair reading, he is making the point that the socons are the ones who consider STDs as punishment for having sex in the first place. That abstinence only should not be the one and only method taught to our teens.
Abstinence only doesn't work. We need to be realistic and encourage the use of condoms for those who are sexually active.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:54:04am |
re: #695 Gus 802
What? A "sexual assault campaign being waged against Europeans"? Where in the fecking world do you get this from?
Next up: "Der Jud Suss".
| 701 |
blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 9:58:37am |
re: #693 Milty
I think that is a major TV station in Norway. I believe they are talking about a specific category within the rape category, which can be translated as "assault rape." That category is apparently monopolized by Muslims.
But seriously Charles, you think there is no sexual assault campaign being waged against Europeans? These stories are all bogus?
Fox News Channel is a major TV news station in the USA as well.
They dont have an agenda either.///
| 702 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:00:00am |
Simple thought experiment for the men in here. OK. Now think back to when you were a 13 year old boy. Now imagine yourself becoming pregnant. How would you have felt?
| 703 |
Gepetto Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:00:58am |
re: #676 Charles
oh for pete's sake. I cited the Obama quote as an ironic aside because of Aloutte's :
"That is by no means all feminists (or "gender" feminists, whatever that means), it's just a few random whackjobs like Alice Walker."
President Obamas quote was obviously ill-concieved in any context. I support-absolutely support- better education. An unwanted pregnancy can be an almost insurmountable obstacle in young people's lives.
| 706 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:03:13am |
re: #703 Gepetto
President Obamas quote was obviously ill-concieved in any context.
No, it wasn't. It was blown way out of proportion, and everything else he said in the interview was ignored, by right wing fundamentalists seeking to smear him.
He didn't say anything wrong or outrageous, and the full context makes it exceedingly clear how deceptive and dishonest this line of attack really is.
| 707 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:03:44am |
re: #693 Milty
But seriously Charles, you think there is no sexual assault campaign being waged against Europeans? These stories are all bogus?
Oh brother.
| 708 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:05:23am |
You guys are convinced there is absolutely no phenomenon of Muslim men assaulting non-Muslim women as part of a sick kind of nationalistic-religious-cultural war? You are sure you want to toe this line? I think it is untenable.
Sometimes reality does not fit theory.
| 709 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:06:21am |
re: #708 Milty
You guys are convinced there is absolutely no phenomenon of Muslim men assaulting non-Muslim women as part of a sick kind of nationalistic-religious-cultural war? You are sure you want to toe this line? I think it is untenable.
Sometimes reality does not fit theory.
Do you think there is a phenomenon of Judeo-Christian people assaulting Muslim people as part of a sick kind of nationalistic-religious-cultural war?
| 710 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:06:39am |
re: #707 Charles
Oh brother.
Sorry to disappoint you, Charles. Hope it doesn't happen to someone you care about.
| 711 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:07:01am |
re: #709 iossarian
Do you think there is a phenomenon of Judeo-Christian people assaulting Muslim people as part of a sick kind of nationalistic-religious-cultural war?
Sexually assaulting? No.
| 712 |
Gepetto Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:07:34am |
re: #699 blueraven
I think if you give his statement a fair reading, he is making the point that the socons are the ones who consider STDs as punishment for having sex in the first place. That abstinence only should not be the one and only method taught to our teens.
Abstinence only doesn't work. We need to be realistic and encourage the use of condoms for those who are sexually active.
on the first point, I do not agree. President Obama is not a socon. You can twist his statement until you think his solidly self-referential "I" refers to people he is diametrically opposed to, but I prefer to take it exactly as he said it.
On your subsequent points, I absolutely agree.
| 713 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:08:03am |
| 715 |
Gepetto Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:13:15am |
re: #706 Charles
Again, I did find it outrageous. But, politics often brings us outrageous statements that detract from the main points. I brought it up as an ironic aside to the just-whackjobs-believe-its punishment comment, nothing more. Sheesh.
| 716 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:15:06am |
Still waiting for any of you knights in shining armor and feminists to explain away that video of a female Egyptian lawyer calling on Muslims to sexually assault Israeli women.
| 717 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:16:34am |
re: #716 Milty
Still waiting for any of you knights in shining armor and feminists to explain away that video of a female Egyptian lawyer calling on Muslims to sexually assault Israeli women.
Still waiting for you to admit that there are a bunch of Judeo-Christian people calling for indiscriminate violence against Muslims.
| 718 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:17:08am |
re: #716 Milty
Please hold your breath, while waiting.
| 719 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:17:22am |
re: #716 Milty
That video has been featured, and criticized here.
Did you notice the bit where I, and others, talked about how dangerous and vile the fundamentalist Islam practiced and taught by so many in the Middle East is?
It seems that to you, however, there's no difference between a moderate Muslim and the fundamentalist Muslim who wants to kill the moderate Muslim.
And that's just moronic.
| 720 |
kirkspencer Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:17:34am |
re: #693 Milty
I think that is a major TV station in Norway. I believe they are talking about a specific category within the rape category, which can be translated as "assault rape." That category is apparently monopolized by Muslims.
But seriously Charles, you think there is no sexual assault campaign being waged against Europeans? These stories are all bogus?
Nice changing of tune. So it's not all rape, but just 'assault rape'. Except I linked the report. Table 30, page 55, "Typer voldtekt er anmeldt til Oslo politidistrikt 2010 med identifisert mistenkt/siktet, fordelt etter gjerningsmannens landbakgrunn. Prosent" (google translate: Types of rape reported to the Oslo Police District 2010 with identified suspects / accused, divided by the perpetrator's country of origin. percent).
In that table, Norse origin offenders are in every column to include Overfall (assault).
One more time, the video is a lie. You have based your opinion on a lie. All you have to do is read, or google translate then read, the report to know this.
If you continue to push this video as fact you are pushing a lie, knowing it's false. That makes you a liar on this subject at least, and means we cannot - and I will not - trust anything you say on the subject barring solid documentation otherwise. Documentation, by the way, that's original source and not secondhand interpretations such as this video.
| 721 |
kirkspencer Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:19:04am |
re: #708 Milty
You guys are convinced there is absolutely no phenomenon of Muslim men assaulting non-Muslim women as part of a sick kind of nationalistic-religious-cultural war? You are sure you want to toe this line? I think it is untenable.
Sometimes reality does not fit theory.
You have based your opinion on a lie (see #720 kirkspencer) I think you need to take your own words to heart.
| 722 |
CuriousLurker Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:19:18am |
re: #695 Gus 802
What? A "sexual assault campaign being waged against Europeans"? Where in the fecking world do you get this from?
Been lurking. I believe the bottom line for Milty is something like this: 1.) The hated/feared Muslims are raping & impregnating "our" women. 2.) They and "their" women are out-reproducing us at an alarming rate. 3.) We have given "our" women too much control over their sexuality, and they selfishly are killing our babies without nary a care for the negative impact on Western culture.
The looming Muslim threat must be stopped (because there are no moderate Muslims, only fanatics who wish to take over the world and subjugate the rest of "us"). The only sure way to stop the threat is to monitor & control our women's reproductive organs. If that means we have to be more like the very people we fear & hate, then so be it.
| 723 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:20:05am |
re: #716 Milty
Still waiting for any of you knights in shining armor and feminists to explain away that video of a female Egyptian lawyer calling on Muslims to sexually assault Israeli women.
One whack job making a statement does not a conspiracy make. Are people around the world supposed to see a conspiracy by Americans when they see some American nut on television making some off the wall statement? The answer is no.
| 724 |
wrenchwench Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:23:01am |
re: #722 CuriousLurker
Been lurking. I believe the bottom line for Milty is something like this: 1.) The hated/feared Muslims are raping & impregnating "our" women. 2.) They and "their" women are out-reproducing us at an alarming rate. 3.) We have given "our" women too much control over their sexuality, and they selfishly are killing our babies without nary a care for the negative impact on Western culture.
The looming Muslim threat must be stopped (because there are no moderate Muslims, only fanatics who wish to take over the world and subjugate the rest of "us"). The only sure way to stop the threat is to monitor & control our women's reproductive organs. If that means we have to be more like the very people we fear & hate, then so be it.
Do we have a bit of white victim/fear of castration in there? Milty seems awfully threatened.
| 725 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:24:31am |
OK, well, if you've lost the instinct to protect your women, then that is very sad indeed.
Iossarian, war is hell, but losing war is more hellish than winning it. I think the Arabs have received enough concessions from us, it is clear they are looking for war, and that there is no denying them what they want.
I also think they are becoming more and more savage and barbarian, and if Charles thinks that is hate speech, he can delete it. Arabs have been using rape as a weapon since forever. They certainly are doing it in Israel. They are doing it in Europe, too.
Kirkspencer: I do not speak Norwegian so I cannot verify that document. I will try though. I went over it with a native speaker and what I wrote here is what I got from her.
| 726 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:25:01am |
re: #722 CuriousLurker
Been lurking. I believe the bottom line for Milty is something like this: 1.) The hated/feared Muslims are raping & impregnating "our" women. 2.) They and "their" women are out-reproducing us at an alarming rate. 3.) We have given "our" women too much control over their sexuality, and they selfishly are killing our babies without nary a care for the negative impact on Western culture.
The looming Muslim threat must be stopped (because there are no moderate Muslims, only fanatics who wish to take over the world and subjugate the rest of "us"). The only sure way to stop the threat is to monitor & control our women's reproductive organs. If that means we have to be more like the very people we fear & hate, then so be it.
Standard 'Blood and Soil' crap. It's widespread and durable.
| 727 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:26:21am |
re: #726 Decatur Deb
Standard 'Blood and Soil' crap. It's widespread and durable.
You guys are so smart, you're stupid.
| 728 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:26:30am |
re: #725 Milty
You remind me of a certain part of the human anatomy. The asshole.
| 729 |
wrenchwench Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:26:56am |
re: #710 Milty
Sorry to disappoint you, Charles. Hope it doesn't happen to someone you care about.
I nominate this for 'most obnoxious comment of the thread' among some pretty tough competition for the title.
Oops, it was just surpassed.
| 730 |
wrenchwench Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:27:42am |
| 731 |
Gepetto Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:27:43am |
re: #674 iossarian
I'm not going to discuss it any further with someone who is taking a single quote and trying to make a case that Obama is some baby-hating ogre who conspires with George Soros and FEMINISTS to undermine our nation's glorious patriarchal path to righteous cleansing in the fire of nuclear warheads.
thats stunningly ridiculous and bigoted.
| 732 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:27:45am |
re: #728 Gus 802
You remind me of a certain part of the human anatomy. The asshole.
Although. It could be a penis.
| 733 |
kirkspencer Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:28:02am |
re: #725 Milty
OK, well, if you've lost the instinct to protect your women, then that is very sad indeed.
Iossarian, war is hell, but losing war is more hellish than winning it. I think the Arabs have received enough concessions from us, it is clear they are looking for war, and that there is no denying them what they want.
I also think they are becoming more and more savage and barbarian, and if Charles thinks that is hate speech, he can delete it. Arabs have been using rape as a weapon since forever. They certainly are doing it in Israel. They are doing it in Europe, too.
Kirkspencer: I do not speak Norwegian so I cannot verify that document. I will try though. I went over it with a native speaker and what I wrote here is what I got from her.
I recommend translate.google.com . It's pretty easy and decent for an online translator.
| 735 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:28:16am |
re: #725 Milty
OK, well, if you've lost the instinct to protect your women, then that is very sad indeed.
Iossarian, war is hell, but losing war is more hellish than winning it. I think the Arabs have received enough concessions from us, it is clear they are looking for war, and that there is no denying them what they want.
I also think they are becoming more and more savage and barbarian, and if Charles thinks that is hate speech, he can delete it. Arabs have been using rape as a weapon since forever. They certainly are doing it in Israel. They are doing it in Europe, too.
Kirkspencer: I do not speak Norwegian so I cannot verify that document. I will try though. I went over it with a native speaker and what I wrote here is what I got from her.
Our women are in the sandbox with M16's, doing a good job of protecting themselves.
| 736 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:29:04am |
Welcome to Wingnut Wednesday.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:29:24am |
re: #724 wrenchwench
Do we have a bit of white victim/fear of castration in there? Milty seems awfully threatened.
I can't quite figure out what causes that kind of thinking, but I do find it pretty amazing that even in the supposedly enlightened West there are people who are still operating on such... unevolved ways of thinking. New world! Scary! Quick, turn back the clock!
| 738 |
wrenchwench Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:29:44am |
| 739 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:30:27am |
re: #738 wrenchwench
In progress, stay tuned!
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iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:30:56am |
re: #725 Milty
Comedy.
I think you'll find that this is what the fundamentalists on the "other side" are telling their kids (with the roles reversed of course) in the process of encouraging them to go and blow up commuter buses.
"BUT THEY'RE WRONG AND I'M RIGHT!"
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Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:31:32am |
re: #736 Stanley Sea
Welcome to Wingnut Wednesday.
Been a long time since we had a far-right asshole like this in this place. I don't even know if he even qualifies as a simple wingnut. This guy is probably well beyond wingnut.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:33:28am |
re: #737 CuriousLurker
I can't quite figure out what causes that kind of thinking, but I do find it pretty amazing that even in the supposedly enlightened West there are people who are still operating on such... unevolved ways of thinking. New world! Scary! Quick, turn back the clock!
All from the perfect comfort of their office or living room.
Booga booga!
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Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:34:26am |
re: #742 Stanley Sea
All from the perfect comfort of their
office or living roommom's basement.Booga booga!
FTFY
/
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CuriousLurker Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:35:08am |
re: #710 Milty
Sorry to disappoint you, Charles. Hope it doesn't happen to someone you care about.
Actually, I suspect you kind of hope it does. Disgusting.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:37:45am |
re: #735 Decatur Deb
Our women are in the sandbox with M16's, doing a good job of protecting themselves.
And Israeli women serve as well.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:46:42am |
re: #733 kirkspencer
I recommend translate.google.com . It's pretty easy and decent for an online translator.
OK Kirk, I took your advice.
Please look at Table 30 and then look at the Assault column.
By the way, the people who wrote the report are PC folk like you who try to explain away their own data, just as that nice policewoman does in the video.
| 749 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:46:43am |
I think Milty would qualify as a "useful idiot" in the eyes of the Jihadists. There are many like him. That's what the Jihadists want: more people like Milty.
| 750 |
Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:47:58am |
re: #741 Gus 802
Been a long time since we had a far-right asshole like this in this place. I don't even know if he even qualifies as a simple wingnut. This guy is probably well beyond wingnut.
It wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't a regular poster over at the GoV and AS. His talking points are the same recycled racist/bigoted tripe. They (enter your ethnic/religious group here) are out to destroy us by any means possible and we must use any means at our disposal to destroy them first.
| 753 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:56:30am |
re: #751 Milty
From that table:
N = 6.
You're basing your "Muslims are waging a rape war on a sample size of 6?
| 755 |
BongCrodny Wed, Jul 6, 2011 10:59:07am |
re: #741 Gus 802
Been a long time since we had a far-right asshole like this in this place. I don't even know if he even qualifies as a simple wingnut. This guy is probably well beyond wingnut.
Double secret wingnut.
| 756 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:02:14am |
This reminds me of the KKK's old "black men are raping our white women" propaganda.
| 757 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:05:04am |
If I were masterminding a campaign of rape against the west, and all I got out of it was four cases of assault out of six in one mid-sized Northern European city, I would be ticked.
| 758 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:05:26am |
You guys, I take it all back. Send your women to Cairo, the coast is clear. Don't believe those stories about streets that European girls can't walk down. And never listen to primitive folks like me. Lara Logan sure didn't and she's happy as can be. Ciao!
| 759 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:06:10am |
re: #758 Milty
You guys, I take it all back. Send your women to Cairo, the coast is clear. Don't believe those stories about streets that European girls can't walk down. And never listen to primitive folks like me. Lara Logan sure didn't and she's happy as can be. Ciao!
Ciao to you too! Or, as the English say, "Fuck off!"
| 760 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:06:50am |
re: #757 iossarian
If I were masterminding a campaign of rape against the west, and all I got out of it was four cases of assault out of six in one mid-sized Northern European city, I would be ticked.
6 of 6.
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iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:08:16am |
re: #760 Milty
6 of 6.
I'm reading 4 Middle Eastern, 1 African, 1 Asian?
Or are we just talking foreigners now?
| 763 |
Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:08:55am |
re: #758 Milty
You guys, I take it all back. Send your women to
CairoThe Bronx, the coast is clear. Don't believe those stories about streets thatEuropeanwhite girls can't walk down. And never listen to primitive folks like me. Lara Logan sure didn't and she's happy as can be. Ciao!
yawn. Here, you dropped this. Picks up white robe and hood.
| 764 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:09:39am |
re: #760 Milty
6 of 6.
And don't forget to put out that burning cross before you leave. Could start a fire.
| 765 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:11:42am |
North Africans, Asians, in PC speak = Muslim immigrants. Also known as "youths." Never Muslim immigrants, though.
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wrenchwench Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:12:28am |
re: #765 Milty
North Africans, Asians, in PC speak = Muslim immigrants. Also known as "youths." Never Muslim immigrants, though.
Do you know the difference between country of origin and religion?
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Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:14:39am |
re: #765 Milty
North Africans, Asians, in PC speak = Muslim immigrants. Also known as "youths." Never Muslim immigrants, though.
Look idiot. There was a slight spike of rapes in Oslo. But that's not a fucking Muslim conspiracy you fucking retarded troll. You want PC? You're not going to get it from me you fucking idiot. Go fuck yourself 30 times over you retard.
Cheers!
| 768 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:14:42am |
re: #765 Milty
North Africans, Asians, in PC speak = Muslim immigrants. Also known as "youths." Never Muslim immigrants, though.
There's no "North Africa" in the table, it's "Africa". Nor is it specified which part of Asia (East? South?) that single assailant was from. But I guess if that's what it takes to sustain your bizarre rape fantasies, then whatever.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:14:53am |
re: #766 wrenchwench
Do you know the difference between country of origin and religion?
Do you know the difference between PC Newspeak and truth? Pakistani = Asian, Moroccan = African, Lebanese = Middle Eastern. All Muslims. And all "youths".
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:15:12am |
re: #768 iossarian
There's no "North Africa" in the table, it's "Africa". Nor is it specified which part of Asia (East? South?) that single assailant was from. But I guess if that's what it takes to sustain your bizarre rape fantasies, then whatever.
I give up.
| 771 |
wrenchwench Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:15:44am |
re: #769 Milty
Do you know the difference between PC Newspeak and truth? Pakistani = Asian, Moroccan = African, Lebanese = Middle Eastern. All Muslims. And all "youths".
Milty = Moron
| 773 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:16:02am |
re: #770 Milty
I give up.
No, please don't!
Please show me how you know that the Asian assailant was a Mulsim, other than a prejudicial assumption that this was the case.
| 774 |
Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:17:45am |
re: #770 Milty
I give up.
No, please continue. Watching yourself make an utter ass of yourself has been quite enjoyable. I haven't had this many laughs since the great meltdown of 2007.
| 775 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:19:04am |
re: #769 Milty
Lebanese = Middle Eastern.
I didn't even notice this the first time. Aren't quite a few Lebanese Christians?
| 776 |
wrenchwench Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:20:38am |
re: #775 iossarian
I didn't even notice this the first time. Aren't quite a few Lebanese Christians?
Foreign, dark-skinned Christians! Might as well be Muslims!
| 777 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:22:11am |
Hey, Milty, Wikipedia suggests that more Christians than Muslims emigrated from Lebanon (and Christians make up 25% to 40% of the population at the moment).
How about I give you one of the African/Asian guys, and take two of the four Lebanese. That gives us 3 Muslims and 3 Christian/Buddhists.
Deal?
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Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:22:30am |
re: #776 wrenchwench
With Farsi tattoos being driven across Murica by BMWs!!11ty
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:23:36am |
re: #775 iossarian
It's entirely possible, and even probable, given the rates of immigration from various places to the Scandinavian countries, that all 6 were Muslim.
However, N = 6 means that there is nothing to argue about. it's statistically completely insignificant.
It also falls into the standard problem of treating violent rape like it's somehow worse than a trusted friend raping you while you're drunk.
I have no idea why people think that.
| 780 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:24:56am |
re: #758 Milty
hey crazy
so are you gonna be another one of these soft-dicked tough guys who hangs around for a day and then leaves forever?
| 781 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:25:51am |
re: #779 Obdicut
Oh, I know (about the 6 out of 6 thing). It's more the whole "Look! Look at these statistics I found!" thing.
It's also entirely possible that different cultures might report the same act of rape differently (particularly if you believe that you "can't" be raped in a relationship, for example).
| 782 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:28:10am |
Here you go...
Rape Statistics in Oslo Revisited
Steve Verdon
Okay, my initial post on this has slid off the front page and based on the comments and some of the stuff on Conservative/Right leaning websites I’d post again on this to clarify the point I was trying to make that seems to have gone over just about everybody’s head.
First though a recapitulation of the topic might be helpful to those who missed the first post. The number of rapes, on a per capita basis (thanks Gollum) is very high in Oslo Norway. In fact, it is so high it is 6 times that of New York City. Further, in looking at the data 2/3rds of those rapes are committed by what are called non-Western immigrants.
Now many around the web have taken this to conclude that the per capita number of rapes is so high simply because of Islam, after all the term non-Western immigrant is basically a euphamism for Muslim (or so goes the reasoning on these websites) (link, link, link, link, link). However, what seems to have gotten completely lost is that the number of per-capita rapes is not high simply because of Islam and Muslims. If the data is true, which these websites are assuming then there is one unavoidable conclusion: The white males in Oslo are rather enthusiastic rapists themselves. Lets go through the math.
Suppose the per capita number of rapes in New York City is R. Then it follows that the per capita number of rapes in Oslo is 6R. Now 2/3rds of those rapes are committed by non-Western immigrants. That means in terms of ‘R‘ the per capita number of rapes due to Muslims is 4R. So, lets remove the Muslim committed rapes from the total number of rapes. To do this we do the following subtraction:
6R – 4R = R*(6-4) = 2R
What this means is that the Western immigrants and locals (read white males) are comitting rapes at a rate twice as high as in New York City on a per capita basis. Or, white males in Oslo are rather enthusiastic rapists in terms of statistical likelihood. Blaming the entire problem on Muslims and Islam is either due to ignorance or racism. I’ll go with the former as it reflects better on the people making such assertions.
Go to the link for the sublinks I didn't include here.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:39:46am |
re: #783 Gus 802
And there's a mighty unfortunate link in there.
Yep ... I'll just point out that I simply linked to an article at Aftenposten about a Norwegian police study -- I wasn't promoting some grand conspiracy theory. The claims I quoted in the article and the headline are directly from Aftenposten.
There were links to several such studies at LGF (along with links to thousands of other studies and articles on many subjects) -- but I soon realized that the way these studies were being promoted by people like Mark Steyn and Robert Spencer was nothing I wanted to be associated with. They were using deceptive statistics to paint the picture that Milty is now echoing here.
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Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:48:20am |
re: #784 Charles
Yep ... I'll just point out that I simply linked to an article at Aftenposten about a Norwegian police study -- I wasn't promoting some grand conspiracy theory. The claims I quoted in the article and the headline are directly from Aftenposten.
There were links to several such studies at LGF (along with links to thousands of other studies and articles on many subjects) -- but I soon realized that the way these studies were being promoted by people like Mark Steyn and Robert Spencer was nothing I wanted to be associated with. They were using deceptive statistics to paint the picture that Milty is now echoing here.
Understood.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:07:16pm |
Charles, it has gotten very dirty and personal between you and the right-wingers you mention and so you do not want to look at the stuff that you yourself linked and said in the past.
You linked that story for a reason and it is the same reason for my post here. I also have not said there is a "conspiracy." There is a war and part of how it is fought is rape. This is not a new thing in world history.
What is relatively new is the liberal attitude toward women, and the attitude that says men do not need to protect them, because that is a form of oppression etc. And my contention is that it winds up hurting the women, because while you guys may be all new and modern, the rest of the world isn't. But I don't expect liberals to understand this difficult concept. It is easier to gang up on me in this thread than to look at ugly reality.
You were angry enough to see reality a few years ago. I guess you are less angry now, or angry at other things.
| 787 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:11:19pm |
re: #786 Milty
Not at all. I don't mind looking at that stuff one bit. Yes, I was misled by some of the people I thought were experts on the subject, and for a while echoed some of their charges and accusations. But there was a point at which I realized that the emperor had no clothes, and the bullshit they were promoting wasn't coming from a place of intellectual honesty, but from sheer bigotry and often-hidden religious agendas.
I regret spending any time at all promoting the work of Spencer, Bat Ye'or, Andrew Bostom, etc., but I learned quite a bit from that experience.
| 788 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:17:57pm |
re: #786 Milty
Are you against Israeli women serving in the military?
| 789 |
wrenchwench Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:18:11pm |
re: #786 Milty
What is relatively new is the liberal attitude toward women, and the attitude that says men do not need to protect them, because that is a form of oppression etc. And my contention is that it winds up hurting the women, because while you guys may be all new and modern, the rest of the world isn't. But I don't expect liberals to understand this difficult concept. It is easier to gang up on me in this thread than to look at ugly reality.
You know very little about reality. You are full of rhetoric, spin, bullshit, and talking points. And none of it has been updated in years. I think you know very little about women, also.
| 790 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:20:42pm |
re: #786 Milty
You didn't even bother reading the article I posted. Read it. Here's the main points:
Suppose the per capita number of rapes in New York City is R. Then it follows that the per capita number of rapes in Oslo is 6R. Now 2/3rds of those rapes are committed by non-Western immigrants. That means in terms of ‘R‘ the per capita number of rapes due to Muslims is 4R. So, lets remove the Muslim committed rapes from the total number of rapes. To do this we do the following subtraction:
6R – 4R = R*(6-4) = 2R
What this means is that the Western immigrants and locals (read white males) are comitting rapes at a rate twice as high as in New York City on a per capita basis. Or, white males in Oslo are rather enthusiastic rapists in terms of statistical likelihood. Blaming the entire problem on Muslims and Islam is either due to ignorance or racism. I’ll go with the former as it reflects better on the people making such assertions.
| 791 |
blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:22:14pm |
re: #786 Milty
Charles, it has gotten very dirty and personal between you and the right-wingers you mention and so you do not want to look at the stuff that you yourself linked and said in the past.
You linked that story for a reason and it is the same reason for my post here. I also have not said there is a "conspiracy." There is a war and part of how it is fought is rape. This is not a new thing in world history.
What is relatively new is the liberal attitude toward women, and the attitude that says men do not need to protect them, because that is a form of oppression etc. And my contention is that it winds up hurting the women, because while you guys may be all new and modern, the rest of the world isn't. But I don't expect liberals to understand this difficult concept. It is easier to gang up on me in this thread than to look at ugly reality.
You were angry enough to see reality a few years ago. I guess you are less angry now, or angry at other things.
Bullshit! What the rightwing, white, christian, men in this country are doing is not protecting women, it is taking away our rights as individuals. It is subjugation. Please do not insult us with this dribble.
| 792 |
CuriousLurker Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:26:09pm |
re: #786 Milty
Aww, isn't that sweet.
re: #787 Charles
Charles? I've been wondering what all the agita since last week is about. It seems that watching the Geller/EDL implosion and seeing your name mentioned in connection with it made of them kinda nostalgic for the old days.
They miss you. They want you & LGF back they way things were.
No sarc—I'm not joking.
| 793 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:27:12pm |
| 794 |
wrenchwench Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:27:56pm |
re: #792 CuriousLurker
Aww, isn't that sweet.
re: #787 Charles
Charles? I've been wondering what all the agita since last week is about. It seems that watching the Geller/EDL implosion and seeing your name mentioned in connection with it made of them kinda nostalgic for the old days.
They miss you. They want you & LGF back they way things were.
No sarc—I'm not joking.
They want him back the way they think he was.
| 795 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:31:03pm |
re: #791 blueraven
Bullshit! What the rightwing, white, christian, men in this country are doing is not protecting women, it is taking away our rights as individuals. It is subjugation. Please do not insult us with this dribble.
Yes I understand that this is what you believe. But it is not what I believe. I believe you are better off with the semi-primitive old ethos despite its numerous imperfections. I think it is important for a nation to maintain some kind of virility, despite the primitive nature of this concept and the obvious Neanderthalism I am displaying by even uttering it, otherwise other nations that are more virile will defeat your nation and you will wind up like Lara Logan or dead, or both, and for that matter, so will I.
| 796 |
wrenchwench Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:31:11pm |
OK, I'm done playing "Guest Buck of the Day."
| 797 |
CuriousLurker Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:31:55pm |
| 798 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:34:31pm |
re: #793 Milty
In "combat," yes.
So if a woman in the IDF is shot, she shouldn't shoot back, she should go find a male to protect her?
| 799 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:35:20pm |
re: #795 Milty
It's really weird the way you guys kind of envy the Muslim nations for their 'virility'.
It's truly one of the more bizarre things to witness.
| 800 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:37:16pm |
re: #799 Obdicut
It's really weird the way you guys kind of envy the Muslim nations for their 'virility'.
It's truly one of the more bizarre things to witness.
It's weird the way the anti-Jihadists have a lot in common with the Jihadists.
| 801 |
blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:38:56pm |
re: #795 Milty
Yes I understand that this is what you believe. But it is not what I believe. I believe you are better off with the semi-primitive old ethos despite its numerous imperfections. I think it is important for a nation to maintain some kind of virility, despite the primitive nature of this concept and the obvious Neanderthalism I am displaying by even uttering it, otherwise other nations that are more virile will defeat your nation and you will wind up like Lara Logan or dead, or both, and for that matter, so will I.
Whew! Its a good thing YOU dont get to decide whats best for ME.
Crawl back into your cave, Neanderthal.
| 802 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:39:21pm |
re: #790 Gus 802
You didn't even bother reading the article I posted. Read it. Here's the main points:
Gus.
OK, the Norwegians are also turds. Feel better?
It still says 2/3 of the rapes were committed by Muslims, right? And You will agree that they are not 2/3 of the population? So what is the conclusion? My conclusion, if I am a Norwegian father to a girl, is to get the hell out of Norway and to be very sorry we ever let the Muslims in. Call me primitive (or just keep calling me an asshole, it makes me very amenable to conversation).
Also, since the people writing the stats are as PC as you, likelier than not some of the "Norwegians" are Norwegian-born Muslims whose parents immigrated from outside.
| 803 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:40:19pm |
re: #798 Obdicut
So if a woman in the IDF is shot, she shouldn't shoot back, she should go find a male to protect her?
How will she get shot if she is not in combat?
| 806 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:44:29pm |
re: #803 Milty
How will she get shot if she is not in combat?
Are you seriously an Israeli? Seriously?
You're asking how an IDF member could get shot while not in combat? Seriously?
What the fuck.
| 811 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:47:13pm |
| 812 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:47:59pm |
re: #806 Obdicut
Are you seriously an Israeli? Seriously?
You're asking how an IDF member could get shot while not in combat? Seriously?
What the fuck.
So you are saying women should join combat units, where they could wind up in combat getting shot at, so that they can defend themselves when they are not in combat but getting shot at?
| 813 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:49:26pm |
re: #812 Milty
So you are saying women should join combat units, where they could wind up in combat getting shot at, so that they can defend themselves when they are not in combat but getting shot at?
Uh, yep. As our experience in Iraq has shown, there's no such thing as a non-combat role. It's the military, and there's no way to make it not the military.
The 'non-combat' thing is a fiction to assuage the minds of those like yours. Kind of a simplistic one; I'm always surprised it works.
| 814 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:50:35pm |
OK, so you are telling me about reality in Israel. That's a good one. How many shekels does cottage cheese cost?
| 816 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:53:41pm |
re: #814 Milty
OK, so you are telling me about reality in Israel. That's a good one. How many shekels does cottage cheese cost?
I'm telling you that it's reality in Israel that people get shot when they're doing their shopping, or blown up.
Are you saying that's not true?
| 817 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:54:40pm |
re: #816 Obdicut
I'm telling you that it's reality in Israel that people get shot when they're doing their shopping, or blown up.
Are you saying that's not true?
This was especially true in the years 2000-2005, yes. How does this connect to women serving in faux combat units?
| 818 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:55:27pm |
re: #813 Obdicut
Uh, yep. As our experience in Iraq has shown, there's no such thing as a non-combat role. It's the military, and there's no way to make it not the military.
The 'non-combat' thing is a fiction to assuage the minds of those like yours. Kind of a simplistic one; I'm always surprised it works.
US Military Comabat Arms MOS's are not open to women.
OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM
MILITARY DEATHS
October 7, 2001 Through July 5, 2011
GENDER
Male 1,639
Female 31
| 819 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:01:17pm |
re: #621 Gepetto
"because, look, I've got two daughters -- 9 years old and 6 years old. I'm going to teach them first of all about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."--President Obama
You got a problem with that?
We live in a society where a young, unprepared mother having a child is not only de facto likely to negatively impact her life, but many among the President's political opponents DO ALL THEY CAN to ensure that she and that child will be given no second chances, reviled, held up as a bad example, and given no opportunity to seek a better life.
So don't sneer 'punished with a baby' as though you didn't know exactly what he meant.
| 820 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:02:00pm |
re: #817 Milty
This was especially true in the years 2000-2005, yes. How does this connect to women serving in faux combat units?
Have you got a really good definition of an Israeli faux combat unit?
| 821 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:02:08pm |
re: #818 Decatur Deb
That's about 1/3 of the death rate of men there, when adjusted for their actual numbers there.
| 822 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:03:52pm |
re: #821 Obdicut
That's about 1/3 of the death rate of men there, when adjusted for their actual numbers there.
Yes--they're not supposed to be in direct combat roles. Guess that makes them "faux dead".
| 823 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:05:10pm |
re: #628 Milty
I'm sure that's what Lara thought, too. Maybe she still does.
Maybe everyone should also keep out of Richmond CA.
Remind me again why that's not the same and doesn't count?
| 824 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:11:32pm |
re: #820 Decatur Deb
Have you got a really good definition of an Israeli faux combat unit?
Yeah. There is a mixed-sex unit that is assigned to the border with Egypt, and the border with Jordan, where nothing ever happens. They are very good for producing photographs of good looking women in combat makeup though. Also it is said that there is a lot of action in those units, bit not the combat kind.
| 825 |
blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:13:04pm |
re: #824 Milty
Yeah. There is a mixed-sex unit that is assigned to the border with Egypt, and the border with Jordan, where nothing ever happens. They are very good for producing photographs of good looking women in combat makeup though. Also it is said that there is a lot of action in those units, bit not the combat kind.
You are a disgusting pig, really.
| 826 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:13:29pm |
re: #824 Milty
What a prurient little jerk you are. Talking shit about the IDF while pulling a po-face about old time values.
Back in the old days, people didn't intimate that women were of loose morals, either. They didn't speculate about other's sex lives.
Goddamn hypocrite.
| 827 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:13:32pm |
re: #823 SanFranciscoZionist
Maybe everyone should also keep out of Richmond CA.
Remind me again why that's not the same and doesn't count?
I think whoever did that should be hanged. And I think that when they are arrested and charged and found guilty, they will serve major jail time. I do not think the same is true for the Egyptians who raped Logan.
| 828 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:14:09pm |
re: #827 Milty
And I think that when they are arrested and charged and found guilty, they will serve major jail time. /blockquote>
Less than 5% of rapists are ever convicted in the US.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:14:51pm |
re: #826 Obdicut
What a prurient little jerk you are. Talking shit about the IDF while pulling a po-face about old time values.
Back in the old days, people didn't intimate that women were of loose morals, either. They didn't speculate about other's sex lives.
Goddamn hypocrite.
What are we talking about here? The fact that there is a lot of sex in units where 18-20 year old men and women serve together? My mentioning this?
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:16:00pm |
re: #828 Obdicut
And I think that when they are arrested and charged and found guilty, they will serve major jail time. /blockquote>
Less than 5% of rapists are ever convicted in the US.
Well then you should fix the system. But I have a feeling these specific rapists will be caught.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:16:02pm |
re: #829 Milty
What are we talking about here? The fact that there is a lot of sex in units where 18-20 year old men and women serve together? My mentioning this?
Yes. Why is it either any business of yours, and where do you get off talking shit about Israeli soldiers like that?
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:16:41pm |
re: #832 Obdicut
Yes. Why is it either any business of yours, and where do you get off talking shit about Israeli soldiers like that?
I don;t understand. I am an Israeli. Who gets to talk about Israelis if I don't?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:16:54pm |
re: #824 Milty
Yeah. There is a mixed-sex unit that is assigned to the border with Egypt, and the border with Jordan, where nothing ever happens. They are very good for producing photographs of good looking women in combat makeup though. Also it is said that there is a lot of action in those units, bit not the combat kind.
We bury ours, and I'm sure the G4 Mortuary Services make them up as best they can.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:17:20pm |
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:18:01pm |
re: #833 Milty
I don;t understand. I am an Israeli. Who gets to talk about Israelis if I don't?
But why? How does it benefit you to grossly speculate about the sex lives of the soldiers, while you defame their bravery?
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:19:06pm |
re: #834 Decatur Deb
We bury ours, and I'm sure the G4 Mortuary Services make them up as best they can.
I respect that.
Our women don't fight, as a rule. They pretend to be combat soldiers but they do not really fight in the war zones. Israel may seem like one big war zone when viewed from afar but you will be surprised, we actually have battlefields and the women do not venture there, as a rule.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:21:51pm |
re: #836 Obdicut
But why? How does it benefit you to grossly speculate about the sex lives of the soldiers, while you defame their bravery?
How old are you, man? I am not grossly speculating about anything, I am in touch with people who have done extensive research on the subject of mixed-sex units, my son serves in a unit that is not unconnected to units of that nature, and word gets around. But even if I had no evidence, what do you expect will happen when 18 year olds hang around each other? You have to be seriously stupid not to expect a lot of sex to result from this.
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blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:26:02pm |
re: #838 Milty
How old are you, man? I am not grossly speculating about anything, I am in touch with people who have done extensive research on the subject of mixed-sex units, my son serves in a unit that is not unconnected to units of that nature, and word gets around. But even if I had no evidence, what do you expect will happen when 18 year olds hang around each other? You have to be seriously stupid not to expect a lot of sex to result from this.
So? I am sure this goes on anywhere young people are together. Colleges, hospitals...I assume you think women shouldnt be in those institutions as well. Aside from cleaning crews and "women type" work.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:26:10pm |
re: #838 Milty
I don't get why the sex lives of soldiers is of any importance to you.
Given that you were moaning and groaning about how our morals have fallen to the wayside, to see you then hypocritically speculating about the sex lives of others is unsurprising, but still contemptible.
I have not yet met an "Old time values were better" person that didn't turn out to be such a hypocrite.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:30:28pm |
re: #833 Milty
I don;t understand. I am an Israeli. Who gets to talk about Israelis if I don't?
I'm curious: have you served in the IDF yourself?
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:31:24pm |
re: #839 blueraven
So? I am sure this goes on anywhere young people are together. Colleges, hospitals...I assume you think women shouldnt be in those institutions as well. Aside from cleaning crews and "women type" work.
So you are saying the fact that there is sexual tension in the air does not affect a military unit's efficacy. For instance, if a male soldier is assigned to 4 hours of guard duty with a woman, and they are attracted to each other, this will not negatively affect their efficiency.
I trust you have read book about this subject? Certainly you are familiar with "Men, Women and War" by Martin Van Crevelt?
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:31:58pm |
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:34:40pm |
re: #842 Milty
What if it's two guys, and they just find each other hilarious and spend the entire time cracking each other up?
What is it about sexual tension that makes it such an eeevil thing to you (except, of course, you love, love talking about it.)
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:35:08pm |
Some of you people seem like you have working intellects. Here is a dialogue that might interest you. At least you will know there are two sides to this debate -- you seem unaware that there even is a debate.
Disclaimer -- I have not read the whole thing but I have spoken with Stephanie Gutmann and I know she is respected by experts here in Israel.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:35:10pm |
re: #675 Alouette
He HATES scraping the soup, but not as much as he hates eating soup with scum bits in it. So I promised I would "scrape" the Internet looking for helpful household hints on how to achieve a perfectly clear soup. Some of the foodie sites give these very complicated instructions.
Maybe I will buy one of those fine mesh strainers.
Try putting a wet, clean floursack dishtowel in a big sieve and pouring the soup through.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:37:15pm |
re: #845 Milty
Can you please state who you think has a working intellect, and who doesn't?
While you're at it, you could go back and answer any of the previous questions you cravenly dodged.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:38:17pm |
re: #690 Killgore Trout
Fox found more video of blacks beating up whites...
'Oh, White Girl Bleeds a Lot' ... Race Mob Attack Rocks Milwaukee
Sample comment...
S
Jesus.
One of my white students got the hell beat out of her by some black girls from another school. It was racially motivated. It was also gang-related.
You know what? She was scared and upset and really mad, but she didn't turn it into an excuse to be paranoid about all the black people in her life who were good people. And she was fifteen, and had really had something awful happen to her.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:39:36pm |
re: #703 Gepetto
I support-absolutely support- better education./blockquote>
That's great. So does Barack Obama.
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:40:00pm |
re: #803 Milty
Considering that all Israelis know that they are considered targets by Hamas, Hizbullah, and other terror groups both in the territories and Israel proper regardless of whether they're wearing an IAF or IDF uniform, it's a rather curious comment to make to wonder how an Israeli woman would be shot if she wasn't in the IDF.
After all, terrorists target Israeli kids because they see all Israelis as potential soldiers serving in the IDF.
Israel sends women into combat regularly - including as IAF pilots.
Israel can't afford to ignore that it needs bodies to fill billets, especially as it remains seriously outnumbered against the combined forces arrayed against it; thus women are integrated into the military.
But as an Israeli... you'd know this.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:40:38pm |
re: #716 Milty
Still waiting for any of you knights in shining armor and feminists to explain away that video of a female Egyptian lawyer calling on Muslims to sexually assault Israeli women.
Why should I? She's evil. There are a lot of evil people out there.
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:42:30pm |
re: #845 Milty
What's the front line if Israel has a shooting war with terrorists in Hizbullahland (South Lebanon) or Gaza? Hamas rockets have hit Ashkelon, and Hizbullah claims to have rockets sufficient to hit Tel Aviv. There's no rear echelon to hide women from combat roles.
Same goes for US combat in Afghanistan or Iraq - bases can and are targeted for attack, so even if women aren't going on patrols, they can still be hit in a logistics capability - and they are.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:44:00pm |
re: #847 Obdicut
Can you please state who you think has a working intellect, and who doesn't?
While you're at it, you could go back and answer any of the previous questions you cravenly dodged.
OK, maybe I was being a little generous about the intellects, since you guys have mostly just been cursing me with various epithets. I like Floral Giraffe, so far.
The question about the two male soldiers cracking each other up as compared to soldiers having sex seems downright silly to me, frankly. Also, men and women can crack each other up just as much, can't they?
Regarding when does a fetus become unabortable -- I do not know enough about the subject. If it is true that the some fetuses actually scream in pain during partial birth abortion, that sounds pretty horrific to me. But I have been reading Ann Coulter.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:44:23pm |
re: #758 Milty
You guys, I take it all back. Send your women to Cairo, the coast is clear. Don't believe those stories about streets that European girls can't walk down. And never listen to primitive folks like me. Lara Logan sure didn't and she's happy as can be. Ciao!
There are a bunch of streets in Richmond CA that girls of any color can't walk down safely.
And I know a hell of a lot of women who've been to Cairo and returned unscathed.
You're too eager to go from 'problem' to 'giant, planned, masterminded problem'.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:45:05pm |
re: #769 Milty
Do you know the difference between PC Newspeak and truth? Pakistani = Asian, Moroccan = African, Lebanese = Middle Eastern. All Muslims. And all "youths".
Oh, this one is a classic.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:45:05pm |
re: #848 SanFranciscoZionist
Jesus.
One of my white students got the hell beat out of her by some black girls from another school. It was racially motivated. It was also gang-related.
You know what? She was scared and upset and really mad, but she didn't turn it into an excuse to be paranoid about all the black people in her life who were good people. And she was fifteen, and had really had something awful happen to her.
So in that case black people who get lynched shouldn't have anything special to say about white racism, either.
| 857 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:45:20pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:45:49pm |
re: #775 iossarian
I didn't even notice this the first time. Aren't quite a few Lebanese Christians?
Tons. Maronite Catholics, but others too.
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Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:46:51pm |
re: #853 Milty
OK, maybe I was being a little generous about the intellects, since you guys have mostly just been cursing me with various epithets. I like Floral Giraffe, so far.
We've also pointed out that you've attempted to use a sample sign of N.
We've also pointed out that, since you favor allowing abortions until some later point in the pregnancy, that you're pro-choice.
We've also pointed out that, for some reason, you only care about violent rape, and not about someone being raped by their friend.
We've also pointed out that you seem confused about how a female IDF soldier could ever be in danger.
We've also pointed out that you appreciate the 'virility' of the Islamic terrorists.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:47:59pm |
re: #803 Milty
How will she get shot if she is not in combat?
You don't know much about Israel if you can ask that question.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:48:23pm |
re: #855 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, this one is a classic.
You are right. I just made up "Lebanese" as an example, out of laziness. It could also be Syrian, Palestinian, Iraqi... I do not know where most Middle Eastern immigrants in Oslo are from but I am guessing the number of Israeli Jews among the rapists is not disproportional. I hope I did not offend any of the PC gods when I said this.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:48:51pm |
re: #814 Milty
OK, so you are telling me about reality in Israel. That's a good one. How many shekels does cottage cheese cost?
GOD, OK with the cottage cheese already! I get it. The cottage cheese is too damn high!
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:50:33pm |
re: #862 SanFranciscoZionist
GOD, OK with the cottage cheese already! I get it. The cottage cheese is too damn high!
Wrong, the protest has led to the lowering of cottage cheese prices. But the other cheeses are still too expensive.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:50:53pm |
re: #827 Milty
I think whoever did that should be hanged. And I think that when they are arrested and charged and found guilty, they will serve major jail time. I do not think the same is true for the Egyptians who raped Logan.
Ah, so this isn't about rape, it's about the ability of a society to punish rape.
It does undercut the bullshit about only Muslims doing such things, doesn't it?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:51:46pm |
re: #837 Milty
I respect that.
Our women don't fight, as a rule. They pretend to be combat soldiers but they do not really fight in the war zones. Israel may seem like one big war zone when viewed from afar but you will be surprised, we actually have battlefields and the women do not venture there, as a rule.
"Our" women. "Your" women. "Their" women.
Who are you, Fred Flintstone?
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:52:46pm |
re: #865 SanFranciscoZionist
"Our" women. "Your" women. "Their" women.
Who are you, Fred Flintstone?
Yes! And Al Bundy, too.
| 867 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:54:01pm |
re: #856 Milty
So in that case black people who get lynched shouldn't have anything special to say about white racism, either.
If you don't understand that lynching actually was a socially sanctioned method of controlling black communities, and that it's a little different from a bunch of teenage girls jumping another, you really understand nothing.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 1:59:51pm |
re: #867 SanFranciscoZionist
If you don't understand that lynching actually was a socially sanctioned method of controlling black communities, and that it's a little different from a bunch of teenage girls jumping another, you really understand nothing.
If you can say "socially sanctioned method of controlling black communities", you could also say: "culturally sanctioned method of humiliating and demoralizing non-Muslim communities."
Try it.
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Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:14:32pm |
re: #864 SanFranciscoZionist
Ah, so this isn't about rape, it's about the ability of a society to punish rape.
It does undercut the bullshit about only Muslims doing such things, doesn't it?
In my primitive and semi-formed mind, there are things that are called "countries" and "nations." And each has its own identity and history and flag. Just like basketball teams!
And crimes that are perpetrated inside "our" country (yes, I actually use this word) and are perpetrated by our people are for police and courts to handle. Whereas when a rival country / tribe / religion / basketball team does these things to our people / team / blog / whatever, and these things are either organized or culturally sanctioned or religiously encouraged or all of the above, different rules apply.
In my primitive mindset, this is where the men organize and say stuff like "let's roll" and kill the other guys. I realize this is totally pre-21st century of me and I apologize profusely.
And yes, when they go around raping our women it makes me extra-upset. Please forgive me, I am but a hirsute and potentially swarthy Middle Easterner.
| 871 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:21:04pm |
re: #870 Milty
[...] they go around raping our women [...]
Bit of a drive by, but just wanted to remind everyone that 3 cases of sexual assault out of 6 in Oslo is pretty weak evidence of a global rape war plot.
Anyway, got to go!
| 872 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:21:51pm |
re: #871 iossarian
Bit of a drive by, but just wanted to remind everyone that 3 cases of sexual assault out of 6 in Oslo is pretty weak evidence of a global rape war plot.
Anyway, got to go!
Oh, and that's 3 out of 6 in the sense that there were actually 6 total instances, not meant to be a ratio like "2 out of 5" or whatever.
| 873 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:22:55pm |
re: #872 iossarian
Oh, and that's 3 out of 6 in the sense that there were actually 6 total instances, not meant to be a ratio like "2 out of 5" or whatever.
Six of 6.
| 874 |
iossarian Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:23:21pm |
re: #873 Milty
Six of 6.
No, remember one was an Asian buddhist and 2 were Lebanese Christians.
Really got to go now.
| 875 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:25:54pm |
re: #870 Milty
So... because 6 Muslims in Oslo raped women, we should shoot all Muslims?
| 876 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:26:36pm |
re: #874 iossarian
No, remember one was an Asian buddhist and 2 were Lebanese Christians.
Really got to go now.
Oops, you are right, I forgot. Also there were two animists from Sudan.
| 877 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:29:06pm |
re: #875 Obdicut
So... because 6 Muslims in Oslo raped women, we should shoot all Muslims?
Does anyone even have a national identity breakdown of the victims? Most crime stays within the perp's community. It's not much of a Sperm War if you're screwing your cousin.
| 878 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:29:37pm |
re: #875 Obdicut
So... because 6 Muslims in Oslo raped women, we should shoot all Muslims?
You should shoot no one. There is no war. All is good! Ignore me. I am just a Likudnik Nazi who wants to embroil you in another unnecessary war on behalf of the Jews.
| 879 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:33:07pm |
re: #878 Milty
I am a Jew.
I'm just pointing out that you're not making any sense. "They're raping our women" is kind of a moronic rallying cry when you're talking about six incidents.
And you have no idea the identity of the victims, either.
Can you explain why you lump moderate and fundamentalist Muslims together? That's the part that makes you look like a gibbering fool.
| 880 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:37:11pm |
It looks pretty real. Are these all fake statistics?
| 882 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:39:16pm |
re: #880 Milty
Really, can you answer this?
Can you explain why you lump moderate and fundamentalist Muslims together? That's the part that makes you look like a gibbering fool.
| 883 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:40:08pm |
OK, here's an LGF link (included in that Fjordman link).
| 884 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:41:47pm |
re: #883 Milty
Why do you keep posting five year old anecdotes?
| 885 |
Wozza Matter? Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:42:54pm |
in the absence of James.
| 886 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:45:04pm |
re: #885 wozzablog
Seriously. This is one of the saddest efforts I've ever seen.
It's half-hearted "See, Charles used to say this five years ago, that means that I win" troll combined with a "I'm going to ignore that I've been completed trounced in every aspect of the conversation I leave behind and just keep bringing up new shit forever" troll.
He's doing a service for the other side of the argument, basically, by combining two different forms of cowardice. It's nifty.
| 887 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:45:44pm |
re: #884 Obdicut
Why do you keep posting five year old anecdotes?
I wonder if the women who were gang raped would use that terminology to describe what happened to them.
| 888 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:47:45pm |
re: #887 Milty
I wonder if the women who were gang raped would use that terminology to describe what happened to them.
They probably wouldn't. It's still a five year old anecdote. Since I'm not talking to them, it really doesn't matter.
Does Dearborn, Michigan have a huge rape problem?
| 889 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:49:34pm |
re: #883 Milty
OK, here's an LGF link (included in that Fjordman link).
So what is your solution to all of this? What do you propose?
| 890 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:49:48pm |
Wow, Dearborn, despite being 1/3 Muslim, has 1/3 the national rate of rape. How amazing? Could it be that not all Muslims are the same? Oh my lord I think I'm going to have a stroke.
| 891 |
BongCrodny Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:49:59pm |
re: #887 Milty
I wonder if the women who were gang raped would use that terminology to describe what happened to them.
Given that you posted that crap about abortions and ice cream flavors, I suspect you don't give a fuck about those women.
| 892 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:50:33pm |
re: #889 Gus 802
So what is your solution to all of this? What do you propose?
Enlist
Image: Destroy_this_mad_brute_WWI_propaganda_poster_US_version.jpg
| 893 |
blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:50:45pm |
re: #887 Milty
I wonder if the women who were gang raped would use that terminology to describe what happened to them.
You dont give a shit about the women. They are useful for perpetuating your hatred and vengeance. So spare us your faux outrage.
| 894 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:53:45pm |
re: #887 Milty
I wonder if the women who were gang raped would use that terminology to describe what happened to them.
Care to comment on Moshe Katsav?
| 895 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:55:06pm |
re: #893 blueraven
You dont give a shit about the women. They are useful for perpetuating your hatred and vengeance. So spare us your faux outrage.
Funny, this is exactly what I have come to think about the gender feminists. I have seen them covering up for serious and widespread Arab crimes against women for too long, while making huge scandals out of much lighter offenses by Jews, and I no longer believe they care at all about women. It's just an excuse for them to gain power.
| 896 |
blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:57:26pm |
re: #895 Milty
Funny, this is exactly what I have come to think about the gender feminists. I have seen them covering up for serious and widespread Arab crimes against women for too long, while making huge scandals out of much lighter offenses by Jews, and I no longer believe they care at all about women. It's just an excuse for them to gain power.
Then I guess you are in good company. /
| 897 |
Obdicut Wed, Jul 6, 2011 2:57:51pm |
re: #895 Milty
That's weird. Long before the Right ever gave a shit about the Mid-East, feminists were protesting our involvement with them because of the unequal status of women there.
So, kind of the opposite of what you just said.
Second, who are these gender feminists? Seriously, where are they? What effect on the world do they actually have?
You scared little man.
| 898 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:03:26pm |
| 899 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:09:46pm |
re: #897 Obdicut
That's weird. Long before the Right ever gave a shit about the Mid-East, feminists were protesting our involvement with them because of the unequal status of women there.
So, kind of the opposite of what you just said.
Second, who are these gender feminists? Seriously, where are they? What effect on the world do they actually have?
You scared little man.
I do not know what you are talking about and I trust you do, but Western gender feminists as a rule are exceedingly pro-Arab and anti-Israel. There is a some major tension nowadays between feminists who favor Israel, like Prof. Phyllis Chesler, and the "mainstream" gender feminists who are rabid leftists.
"who are these gender feminists?"
I see what you are saying. You are saying that I am getting all worked up about a bunch of women, and I am forgetting that they are just women, and therefore not really capable of having any major effect on anything, positive or detrimental. Am I getting this right?
| 900 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:15:20pm |
re: #894 Gus 802
Care to comment on Moshe Katsav?
I do not like him but he is not a rapist in my book. He used his power to get sex but apparently did not fulfill his end of the bargains. As a result he is in the fix he is in.
But he is not a rapist, just a mean, miserly lech.
| 901 |
tnguitarist Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:26:00pm |
re: #899 Milty
but Western gender feminists as a rule are exceedingly pro-Arab and anti-Israel.
Do you have proof of this or did you pull it out of the rabbit's hat that is your ass?
| 902 |
M. Dubious Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:26:46pm |
re: #888 Obdicut
It is true, I think, that "non-westerners" are, or have been, disproportionally represented in the rape statistics in Oslo. If you reduce that to anecdotal evidence, then any empirical study can be reduced as such.
But of course, whether or not this enough to conclude that Islam is the rape generator here, is not for me to say. But what I can say, having grown up in the eastern part of Oslo (the rough part) and attended schools with 30%-50% non-western immigrants (or Muslims, if you will) is that many of them view non-Muslim women very different from the way we traditionally view non-Muslim women in Norway.
So, to conclude, statistics will say whatever you want it to say, and it is difficult to figure out what is significant or not, but, and this is anectodal, I have noticed a great change in the perceived security of women in Oslo.
| 903 |
blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:27:54pm |
re: #900 Milty
I do not like him but he is not a rapist in my book. He used his power to get sex but apparently did not fulfill his end of the bargains. As a result he is in the fix he is in.
But he is not a rapist, just a mean, miserly lech.
Why, after he was convicted of rape, do you not believe he is a rapist?
| 904 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:33:14pm |
re: #900 Milty
I do not like him but he is not a rapist in my book. He used his power to get sex but apparently did not fulfill his end of the bargains. As a result he is in the fix he is in.
But he is not a rapist, just a mean, miserly lech.
But of course, "he's not a rapist." I expected you to come with an excuse.
The highest incidence of rape in the world in the Democratic Republic of Congo which is 96 percent Christian. The most notorious serial rapists (including the raping of young boys) are found in Columbia.
Instead you focus on "European victims" and "Muslim perpetrators". You don't seek understanding of rape around the world. Your only goal is to distort reality to feed your hatred and inner war against Muslim people.
| 905 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:39:00pm |
re: #903 blueraven
Why, after he was convicted of rape, do you not believe he is a rapist?
You are talking about a subject that I probably have about 1,000 times more knowledge about than you do, do you realize that?
I would have to explain the whole story from scratch and in the end you would just call me names anyways, so I am not sure it is worth it for me.
| 907 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:42:14pm |
Let's see how you guys handle harald, #902. My advice: just ignore him.
| 908 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:44:18pm |
re: #906 Gus 802
Let me guess. You also have an IQ of 167.
If that is true, and if what you said about me earlier is also true, you are probably talking to one of the most intelligent anuses in the world.
| 910 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:48:34pm |
| 911 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:51:45pm |
re: #910 Milty
I'm not 100% sure what you meant, but... sorry.
Oh, man, you're still here!
WILL HE MAKE IT PAST 24 HOURS, PLACE YOUR BETS NAO
| 912 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:54:27pm |
re: #905 Milty
You are talking about a subject that I probably have about 1,000 times more knowledge about than you do, do you realize that?
.
I love it when people say stuff like this on the internet, I used to say stuff like this too, when I was on BBSes as a teenager, and nobody took me seriously. Just like we're not taking you seriously!
Art thou in fact a precocious teen? If so, don't worry, you'll grow out of it
| 913 |
MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:54:52pm |
re: #591 Milty
You're not offending me much, only letting me know that you're a bigoted, xenophobic throwback that want to take this country back to a time that never really was as good as you think it was.
| 914 |
Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:55:53pm |
re: #911 WindUpBird
Oh, man, you're still here!
WILL HE MAKE IT PAST 24 HOURS, PLACE YOUR BETS NAO
Yeah, it's still here. I think Charles is being kind and letting us play with it before he stomps on it.
| 915 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:56:55pm |
re: #870 Milty
this is good schtick at least, most of the people who espouse your extremely deep, gravely seriously, and stunningly original opinions are a bit broken when it comes to the ol' english skills
| 916 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:58:32pm |
re: #913 talon_262
You're not offending me much, only letting me know that you're a bigoted, xenophobic throwback that want to take this country back to a time that never really was as good as you think it was.
I don't think he's a bigot so much as he's a kid who thinks he's smart :-) I mean they're bigoted opinions, but they feel superficial. It's more schtick than passion, sorta like a cake that's mostly frosting
| 917 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 6, 2011 3:59:59pm |
re: #914 Bubblehead II
Yeah, it's still here. I think Charles is being kind and letting us play with it before he stomps on it.
I think I scared our child genius off, whoops
| 918 |
Gus Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:01:02pm |
He's stuck on the Fjordman/Stormfront/VNN blog about an article by Aftenposten about rapes having gone up (2001-2005) in Oslo and allegedly perpetrated by men described as "non-Western in appearance".
| 920 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:03:06pm |
re: #919 Bubblehead II
Nah, It's still logged in.
Scared away means afraid to post. I don't doubt he's still logged in ^_^
| 921 |
blueraven Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:06:51pm |
re: #905 Milty
You are talking about a subject that I probably have about 1,000 times more knowledge about than you do, do you realize that?
I would have to explain the whole story from scratch and in the end you would just call me names anyways, so I am not sure it is worth it for me.
In other words you dont want to answer the question. Just as I thought. I am sure the women were all liars. They probably need to be protected by some great big strong men, maybe taught a little lesson.
| 922 |
MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:07:45pm |
re: #639 Cannadian Club Akbar
Fort Hood shooter wil face death penalty.
I thought this was a no brainier. But now let's see if it is carried out upon conviction. (and sorry if this is a repost)
I won't shed a tear if and when the murderous sonofbitch swings at the end of a rope, rides the lightning, gets injected, or whatever the death penalty is under the UCMJ.
| 923 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:10:18pm |
re: #911 WindUpBird
Oh, man, you're still here!
WILL HE MAKE IT PAST 24 HOURS, PLACE YOUR BETS NAO
25 cents says he's gonna do the "Daddy doesn't listen" thing in less than 24 hours!
| 924 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:10:50pm |
re: #914 Bubblehead II
Yeah, it's still here. I think Charles is being kind and letting us play with it before he stomps on it.
Tenderizing the meat, for tonight's BBQ?
| 925 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:11:18pm |
| 926 |
M. Dubious Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:13:50pm |
Why are you guys so mean to Milty? I did not read the whole thread, I admit (900+ comments!), but the guy (?) seems nice enough... Why is chasing off posters a sport around here?
| 927 |
BongCrodny Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:16:43pm |
re: #926 harald
Why are you guys so mean to Milty?
I did not read the whole thread, I admit
Huge correlation between the two.
| 928 |
M. Dubious Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:17:55pm |
| 929 |
MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:23:39pm |
re: #710 Milty
With that, you can just go piss off, dipshit...
| 930 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:29:27pm |
re: #624 Milty
You're all right. Just stay out of Cairo.
Why?
Sounds like your ideal conservative society.
| 931 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:32:01pm |
re: #786 Milty
What is relatively new is the liberal attitude toward women, and the attitude that says men do not need to protect them,
And who is supposed to "protect" me from bigoted, conservative creeps like you?
No thanks, I prefer to to protect myself from you.
| 932 |
Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:33:09pm |
re: #926 harald
Perhaps it's because we have this thing about Euro-fascist talking points and those that spout them.
| 933 |
MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:46:12pm |
re: #766 wrenchwench
Do you know the difference between country of origin and religion?
Of course Milty doesn't...all "Asians" are apparently alike to them.
| 934 |
MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Jul 6, 2011 4:47:10pm |
| 935 |
Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Jul 6, 2011 5:17:23pm |
Looks like Milty has left the scene. Such being the case, I will now move upstairs.
| 937 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:33:12pm |
Dear Milty, your "statistical" schtick is as old as time.
It is used by antisemites against your own people (assuming you're Jewish). "Look at how disproportionate the participation of Jews in leadership roles in Communist revolutions is! Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kaganovich, Yagoda, Bela Kun, Jakub Berman, so many others... That means the Jew is an enemy of the West!"
Exactly same rhetoric.
Fuck you.
| 938 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:45:31pm |
Jews were re: #937 Sergey Romanov
Dear Milty, your "statistical" schtick is as old as time.
It is used by antisemites against your own people (assuming you're Jewish). "Look at how disproportionate the participation of Jews in leadership roles in Communist revolutions is! Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kaganovich, Yagoda, Bela Kun, Jakub Berman, so many others... That means the Jew is an enemy of the West!"
Exactly same rhetoric.
Fuck you.
Jews were indeed disproportionately represented in the communist movement. Matter of fact, they still are -- in what remains of the original movement, as well as its PC scions.
Israel is actually chock full of leftists, as one would expect of a Jewish state, otherwise we would probably have launched an offensive war against the Arabs a long time ago.
But the Jews are also disproportionately represented in a lot of other fields, including the sciences and arts. Muslims, as Charles was once fond of noting, have come up with little else than the automated prayer rug in recent centuries.
| 939 |
Milty Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:49:07pm |
You are all ignoring harald, who gave you eyewitness testimony of the fear that has gripped Oslo's women. Which means you could care less about Oslo's women.
So let us just note this. You guys could care less if Oslo's women get raped.
| 940 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 6, 2011 11:50:11pm |
Jews were indeed disproportionately represented in the communist movement. Matter of fact, they still are -- in what remains of the original movement, as well as its PC scions.
Well, there you go. By your own logic the Jews are a problem and something must be done about it. Before the West falls down, that is.
| 941 |
Milty Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:00:38am |
re: #940 Sergey Romanov
Well, there you go. By your own logic the Jews are a problem and something must be done about it. Before the West falls down, that is.
I agree. But we nationalist Jews are the ones to handle the problem. All of you guys have tried and failed miserably, and committed horrific crimes in the process.
| 942 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:01:42am |
Oh, by the way. Where else have I heard all this before, beyond the strictly antisemitic writings? Oh, but of course. You know, all those black-on-white rape and murder rates, all those comparisons of contributions of the white and black races. Absolutely the same template.
So, again, fuck you. Sideways.
| 943 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:03:46am |
re: #941 Milty
Well, there you go. By your own logic the Jews are a problem and something must be done about it. Before the West falls down, that is.I agree.
Nothing more needs to be said.
| 944 |
Milty Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:08:06am |
I am re: #942 Sergey Romanov
Oh, by the way. Where else have I heard all this before, beyond the strictly antisemitic writings? Oh, but of course. You know, all those black-on-white rape and murder rates, all those comparisons of contributions of the white and black races. Absolutely the same template.
So, again, fuck you. Sideways.
I am being offered so much sex here! And in so many variations! Wow. I must really turn you guys on.
| 945 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:09:49am |
re: #944 Milty
So, Milty, let's hear from you about the African-Americans, using the same standards of evidence you've used for Muslims. C'mon, Milty, tell us what you really think.
| 946 |
SpaceJesus Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:26:23am |
re: #941 Milty
I agree. But we nationalist Jews are the ones to handle the problem. All of you guys have tried and failed miserably, and committed horrific crimes in the process.
Haha what
| 947 |
Milty Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:32:31am |
This is a thread titled "The War on Women's Right to Choose". Yet you guys could give a hoot if women get raped by a certain ethnic-religious group, because that would serve conservatives somehow. For shame.
| 948 |
Milty Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:33:14am |
re: #947 Milty
This is a thread titled "The War on Women's Right to Choose". Yet you guys could give a hoot if women get raped by a certain ethnic-religious group, because that would serve conservatives somehow. For shame.
... because acknowledging that would serve conservatives somehow.
| 949 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:40:00am |
re: #946 SpaceJesus
Haha what
He's on a projection trip. Notice "you guys"? The gall.
Unofortunately, ethnic nationalism always leads to this kind of rhetoic (and then the actions in accordance with rhetoric).
| 950 |
SpaceJesus Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:46:44am |
re: #949 Sergey Romanov
im busy noticing other things, like the fact that it talks about itself in the third person and has no grasp of reasoning or reality.
| 951 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:50:28am |
re: #939 Milty
You are all ignoring harald, who gave you eyewitness testimony of the fear that has gripped Oslo's women. Which means you could care less about Oslo's women.
So let us just note this. You guys could care less if Oslo's women get raped.
Please, like you give a crud about women raped ANYWHERE.
The only thing that bothers you about that Oslo story is that dark men are purportedly beating you to it.
How utterly predictable, for a male social conservative bigot, who can't compete unless the government rigs everything in his favor. You are totally dependent on government, we feminists have taken your special rights away from you, and you will NEVER get those unearned privileges back.
Boo hoo 4 you.
| 952 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:51:12am |
> has no grasp of reasoning or reality.
Yet, no doubt, he must think of himself as a hardened realist, compared to us, naive PC pinkos :)
| 953 |
SpaceJesus Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:53:15am |
re: #938 Milty
Muslims, as Charles was once fond of noting, have come up with little else than the automated prayer rug in recent centuries.
oh, hello there, true motive.
| 954 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:56:40am |
re: #942 Sergey Romanov
Oh, by the way. Where else have I heard all this before, beyond the strictly antisemitic writings? Oh, but of course. You know, all those black-on-white rape and murder rates, all those comparisons of contributions of the white and black races. Absolutely the same template.
Scraped right off the top of VNN. Same old bigots, same old rampant sexual anxieties, heaped on everyone around them.
Then you get the dumb confederates who believe The Jews™ are getting back at the aryans by sickking black men on blonde women, oversexualized jazz rock and roll hip hop music on white children, race-mixing on poor innocent christian America...then using it as a pretext to lynch and suppress both.
These people have not moved beyond some time in 1822. Aunt Milty is one of them.
| 955 |
freetoken Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:58:08am |
| 956 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Jul 7, 2011 1:00:48am |
re: #954 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh, I get it. Milty would fit right in the AmRen crowd (especially as officially they're allegedly non-antisemitic; like EDL).
| 957 |
freetoken Thu, Jul 7, 2011 1:01:23am |
re: #926 harald
Why are you guys so mean to Milty?
Milty is out to simply prove to the world how evil Muslims are, or something like that. Don't confuse him with someone who really cares about raped woman - they're just pawns in his game to prove how evil supposedly Muslims are.
| 958 |
SpaceJesus Thu, Jul 7, 2011 1:01:53am |
re: #955 freetoken
re: #953 SpaceJesus
Yeah, and it could be seen coming a mile away.
"Milty" is doing he bigot thing. Was he born that way, or is it a character he plays on the internet? Does it matter?
Dunno. In all my adventures on right wing sites, I've never figured it out. There has to be a cure for whatever it is they have.
| 959 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jul 7, 2011 1:01:54am |
re: #947 Milty
This is a thread titled "The War on Women's Right to Choose".
Women's rights, full stop.
Your number one anxiety. What kind of man feels threatened by feminism, the abstract concept of women's bodily integrity, and the inalienable right to tell you the simple word, "no"?
Lol!
| 960 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Jul 7, 2011 1:03:02am |
OK, I'm off this thread for a while. I just want to emphasize that Milty has just agreed that "the Jews are a problem and something must be done about it. Before the West falls down".
| 961 |
Milty Thu, Jul 7, 2011 1:03:18am |
re: #959 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Women's rights, full stop.
Your number one anxiety. What kind of man feels threatened by feminism, the abstract concept of women's bodily integrity, and the inalienable right to tell you the simple word, "no"?
Lol!
What kind of feminist ignores a situation that has women in an entire country scared to go out on the street? An idiot feminist maybe?
| 962 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jul 7, 2011 1:03:53am |
| 963 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jul 7, 2011 1:06:17am |
re: #961 Milty
What kind of feminist ignores a situation that has women in an entire country scared to go out on the street? An idiot feminist maybe?
You should go direct your ass-achy tears of rage at someone else cuz it's not happening with me, fella.
The only thing your racialized gender anxieties are good for is a hearty laugh.
| 964 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jul 7, 2011 1:12:57am |
re: #799 Obdicut
It's really weird the way you guys kind of envy the Muslim nations for their 'virility'.
It's truly one of the more bizarre things to witness.
Sort of. It's old behavior. They obsess and clutch their guns and hemp ropes over the same fantasies of Black men and use it as an excuse to murder, regardless of what goes on here in reality.
Can't compete, is their problem.
| 965 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 7, 2011 1:31:15am |
re: #941 Milty
I agree. But we nationalist Jews are the ones to handle the problem. All of you guys have tried and failed miserably, and committed horrific crimes in the process.
oh the lulz
| 966 |
windsagio Thu, Jul 7, 2011 2:04:30am |
re: #965 WindUpBird
I've been trying off and on for 2 hours to come up with a good reply to that, and then I come by and see you've got it handled!
| 967 |
Varek Raith Thu, Jul 7, 2011 2:11:27am |
Milty, are you for reals?
Were you cryogenically frozen in the 50s and were recently defrosted?
Brain got freezer burned?
| 968 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Jul 7, 2011 4:28:45am |
The immigration issues are real. The culture clash is real. These are problems to be solved by rational and as dispassionate discourse as possible, including the examination of underlying causes, some of which do reside in patriarchal cultures (not necessarily Islamic ones).
And then come the racists. They and their simplistic, lump-them-all-together arguments become identified with the discourse on the immigration topics, and by their very participation they poison the discourse so much that after the European catastrophe of the 1930s-1940s people understandably shy away from the whole topic altogether. This way the immigration-related problems aren't gonna be solved any time soon, thanks to the racists.
| 969 |
Milty Thu, Jul 7, 2011 5:31:41am |
Last time I checked the Arabs and I were from the same exact race.
| 970 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jul 7, 2011 5:37:34am |
re: #969 Milty
Last time I checked the Arabs and I were from the same exact race.
Let me guess, some of your best friends are, too. /
| 971 |
Milty Thu, Jul 7, 2011 5:42:53am |
re: #970 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Let me guess, some of your best friends are, too. /
Hey, aren't you the one Charles designed the "Jump to bottom" button for? Seems you use it a lot.
| 972 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jul 7, 2011 5:45:36am |
re: #971 Milty
Hey, aren't you the one Charles designed the "Jump to bottom" button for? Seems you use it a lot.
In fact, I never use it. What's that got to do with your pointing and crying that women get to tell you "no", and there isn't one single thing you can do to stop it?
| 973 |
Milty Thu, Jul 7, 2011 5:47:01am |
Don't feel so bad, guys. You have been programmed to think one way for a very long time by the leftists Jews. But now a new kind of Jew will program you the other way. It will hurt a little in the beginning but you will feel better in the end. Promise. :-)
| 974 |
Milty Thu, Jul 7, 2011 5:48:36am |
re: #972 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
In fact, I never use it. What's that got to do with your pointing and crying that women get to tell you "no", and there isn't one single thing you can do to stop it?
Oops, of course. I guess you don't need to use it since you naturally hang around the bottom all the time, what for feeding purposes and all.
| 975 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jul 7, 2011 5:53:55am |
re: #974 Milty
Oops, of course. I guess you don't need to use it since you naturally hang around the bottom all the time, what for feeding purposes and all.
You'll never get what you want.
| 976 |
Milty Thu, Jul 7, 2011 6:00:44am |
re: #975 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You'll never get what you want.
You won't go to Egypt to teach that course on Simone de Beauvoir at Cairo U's Gender Studies Program after all? Shame!
| 977 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Jul 7, 2011 6:34:03am |
re: #969 Milty
Last time I checked the Arabs and I were from the same exact race.
So were Germans and Russians. Your point being...?
| 978 |
Milty Thu, Jul 7, 2011 6:35:38am |
| 979 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Jul 7, 2011 6:35:57am |
re: #973 Milty
Don't feel so bad, guys. You have been programmed to think one way for a very long time by the leftists Jews. But now a new kind of Jew will program you the other way. It will hurt a little in the beginning but you will feel better in the end. Promise. :-)
Antisemitic Jews are nothing new, sorry. E.g., Israel Shamir.
| 980 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Jul 7, 2011 6:37:30am |
| 981 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jul 7, 2011 8:27:24am |
re: #973 Milty
You have been programmed to think one way for a very long time by the leftists Jews. But now a new kind of Jew will program you the other way.
I have no doubts you really think that.
This kind of statement is called a "tell". Especially when coming from someone playing the Hitler card to determine their own racial identity.
| 982 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Jul 7, 2011 9:12:00am |
re: #981 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I just can't come to grips with the fact that he thinks that we somehow stereotype the Jews. LOL. We know perfectly well that Jews are just like any other people - individuals with their own political, moral, religious, philosophical views. The troll is such a troll.
| 983 |
windsagio Thu, Jul 7, 2011 12:43:17pm |
re: #982 Sergey Romanov
Reread most of this, I really think he's not a troll, but rather just one of those guys who can't let go and just keeps digging in deeper and deeper.
| 984 |
Varek Raith Thu, Jul 7, 2011 4:00:48pm |
re: #983 windsagio
Reread most of this, I really think he's not a troll, but rather just one of those guys who can't let go and just keeps digging in deeper and deeper.
And I'm the type to hand him the keys to an excavator.
;)
| 985 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jul 9, 2011 11:18:43am |
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