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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:38:30pm |
I won't really be on this thread. It's too painful to watch.
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The Pulchritudinous Patriot Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:40:12pm |
Damn it, I have no sound! I really have to get daddy to install that bit of sound thingy. I cna't complain, he did kill the virus I had and got me my compy back in one day. Except he forgot to put the sound package or whatever in....
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Nevergiveup Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:41:00pm |
The Obama administration has pledged to use development aid as a foreign policy tool, and is expected to unveil a new hike in assistance before April. But there are concerns about how the money is being spent in remote valleys too dangerous for foreign aid workers to venture and where residents risk a beheading if they cross the militants. (AP)
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Sure raise my taxes and piss more of it away.
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:42:30pm |
"Faith, family and freedom" were listed as foundational principles.....
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:43:56pm |
re: #7 Sharmuta
"Faith, family and freedom" were listed as foundational principles.....
And I'll just say this troubles me simply because I think "freedom" should be first.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:45:54pm |
re: #6 Gus 802
I'm sorry but did he just mention Jesse Helms?
Yes, they paid tribute to Jesse Helms, Paul Weyrich, Tony Snow, and William F. Buckley.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:46:26pm |
re: #8 Sharmuta
Without that, the other things are irrelevant, if not impossible.
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:47:24pm |
re: #9 Charles
Yes, they paid tribute to Jesse Helms, Paul Weyrich, Tony Snow, and William F. Buckley.
That's what I gathered. Jesse Helms voted against every single civil rights legislation during his tenure. Ironically here comes Michael Steele to speak now. I wonder were Mr. Steele would be today without some of that legislation.
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:47:54pm |
re: #10 Slumbering Behemoth
Without that, the other things are irrelevant, if not impossible.
That's what I think.
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jcm Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:48:23pm |
US Budget deficit 2008 under GWB.
$438,000,000,000.
US Budget deficit 2009 under BHO.
$1,750,000,000,000.
Inherited.... yeah right.
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funky chicken Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:48:39pm |
Is Ecstasy legal in Nevada? I'm not sure I could watch this without heavy chemical assistance.
Psilocyban would not be enough.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:49:22pm |
re: #13 Gus 802
That's what I gathered. Jesse Helms voted against every single civil rights legislation during his tenure. Ironically here comes Michael Steele to speak now. I wonder were Mr. Steele would be today without some of that legislation.
Was it Helms or Strom Thurmond who had African-American relatives in the past?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:49:24pm |
re: #16 Sharmuta
The new comments button will kill the feed. You'll have to watch in different windows.
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:50:05pm |
re: #19 MandyManners
Was it Helms or Strom Thurmond who had African-American relatives in the past?
I don't remember actually. Maybe Strom.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:50:32pm |
re: #8 Sharmuta
And I'll just say this troubles me simply because I think "freedom" should be first.
Sharmuta -
The founding parents - remember Abigail Adams, etc. - through their Males dedicated the Constitution to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." Happiness was an 18th century politically correct phrase that otherwise would have been expressed as "Property." as true then and true now. Comin' at all 'y'all in Linux at this point.
-S-
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:50:35pm |
No, 'new comments' button should be OK. It went offline for some Townhall advertising.
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:52:15pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:52:18pm |
It just shut down as Steele was gearing up.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:52:44pm |
re: #25 Charles
It just went dead again. very annoying.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:53:00pm |
Man, that's annoying. Ustream keeps interrupting the stream. It's happening on their website too, not just here.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:54:16pm |
Is this Ustream's new revenue model? Interrupt at random for 20-30 seconds?
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:54:41pm |
Our security comes from ready power, (fairly and justly) applied ...
Hear Hear!
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:55:45pm |
re: #33 Charles
Back.
Charles -
IF - Michael Steele were POTUS now, I would sleep better tonight. Comments anyone?
-S-
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:56:14pm |
....Dependence on the politics of victimization....
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Sifty Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:56:50pm |
ugh. If we're a movement that is alive and well, it has nothing to thank these guys for.
I wanna hear the words "communism", "socialism", "Marx", "Lenin", etc.
Tired of the castrated apologies.
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:57:16pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:57:18pm |
I take it Specter, Snow and Collins won't be there.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:57:42pm |
Ethics in government means expel corrupt party members, I think.
Not just corrupt office holders
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notutopia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:58:30pm |
A contract....tomorrow we go forth with helping others but, without big government.
He's now charging young conservatives across the country to go forth as the champions of freedom, business, to live and die free without the government taking what they have worked for!
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:59:00pm |
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:59:02pm |
"Let's get busy."
That's two possible slogans.
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:59:09pm |
re: #51 Sharmuta
Are we really going to be the party of freedom?
Because I'm skeptical after recent events..... Just sayin'.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:59:20pm |
Get rid of the fucking death tax, I have 8 siblings our last parent died 2007 it has been a fucking nightmare
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:59:21pm |
re: #42 Ojoe
....Dependence on the politics of victimization....
Ojoe -
For what it is worth, I Played, Supported and Shillled for those politics for years. For better or worse, I Grew Up.
-S-
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:59:35pm |
re: #51 Sharmuta
Probably not. It was a nice but hollow appeal to work on the youth vote.
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snowcrash Thu, Feb 26, 2009 5:59:56pm |
Smart and media savy. Oh yeah and says "baby". I like him and the new face he is trying to put on the GOP.
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Sifty Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:00:07pm |
As long as nobody says something stupid and condescending like "you be the man!" we should be ok. ummmm
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Aviator Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:00:35pm |
re: #41 Dr. Shalit
Charles -
IF - Michael Steele were POTUS now, I would sleep better tonight. Comments anyone?
-S-
Hell, I'd sleep better if my Labrador was POTUS.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:00:48pm |
re: #51 Sharmuta
Are we really going to be the party of freedom?
I kinda' quoted you today when I reminded folks how you admonished us to get invovled in the local and state levels of the GOP.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:00:56pm |
re: #67 Sifty
As long as nobody says something stupid and condescending like "you be the man!" we should be ok. ummmm
Yeah, I cringed when I heard that.
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:01:21pm |
Yay!
Let's get busy.
OK, so now what are we doing to combat this?
WASHINGTON - A group of liberal bloggers said it is teaming up with organized labor and MoveOn to form a political action committee that will seek to push the Democratic Party farther to the left.Soliciting donations from their readers, the bloggers said they are planning to recruit liberal candidates for challenges against more centrist Democrats currently in Congress.
Organizers of the new group, to be called Accountability Now, said their intention is to enable Obama to seek more liberal policies without fear of losing support from the more conservative members of his party serving in Congress.
Founders include Glen Greenwald, Jane Hamsher, the Service Employees International Union and DailyKos. They're formally starting tomorrow and have $500,000 raised already.
Oh, and here's the best part - the group may also involve itself in Republican primary contests
http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/02/26/america/27webliberals.php
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:01:24pm |
re: #69 Gus 802
Mr. Steele was very good. Thumbs up.
I liked him. The "you be the man" thing was a little painful.
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:02:24pm |
re: #62 Killgore Trout
Probably not. It was a nice but hollow appeal to work on the youth vote.
Better than ignoring it, I guess.
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Sifty Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:02:39pm |
re: #75 Charles
There is nothing so pathetic as an aging hipster. - Dr. Evil
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:02:47pm |
re: #75 Charles
I liked him. The "you be the man" thing was a little painful.
I missed that. Would have been good to hear a longer speech.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:03:10pm |
re: #74 Killer Tomato
Yay!
Let's get busy.OK, so now what are we doing to combat this?
Founders include Glen Greenwald, Jane Hamsher, the Service Employees International Union and DailyKos. They're formally starting tomorrow and have $500,000 raised already.Oh, and here's the best part - the group may also involve itself in Republican primary contests
http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/02/26/america/27w ebliberals.php
Is that all? They need to ask Daddy Soros for some more allowance.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:03:19pm |
re: #24 Dr. Shalit
The founding parents - remember Abigail Adams, etc. - through their Males dedicated the Constitution to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." Happiness was an 18th century politically correct phrase that otherwise would have been expressed as "Property."
Source? Otherwise I call bullshit. The eighteenth century had no problems with property. It was a given. (See property requirements for voters in early US history, for instance.) The "property is theft" idea came much later (Proudhon, 1840).
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albusteve Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:03:31pm |
re: #75 Charles
I liked him. The "you be the man" thing was a little painful.
I wanted more...what? I don't know
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azcon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:03:47pm |
re: #75 Charles
Yah..."you the man" would have sounded better. But hey she's from Minnesota right?
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Sifty Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:04:27pm |
re: #72 Racer X
Somebody please tell Republicans that black men can be spoken to in plain English, without using unfamiliar terms and phrases they heard on HBO... three years ago.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:04:37pm |
re: #70 Aviator
Hell, I'd sleep better if my Labrador was POTUS.
Aviator -
MELECH - the Wonder Shepherd agrees and wags his tail.
-S-
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:04:47pm |
Mr. Steele seems personable and likable. I wish his the best in turning the party around.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:05:42pm |
Steele was a frequent guest on the "Tony Snow Show" on the radio beams. Boy, I miss Tony.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:06:32pm |
re: #88 Sharmuta
He did ok. I do like the idea of trying to appeal to younger voters, it would bring some much needed new blood and new ideas to the party. They'll have to make a bigger deal of backing off from the social conservatives for it to work.
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:06:39pm |
re: #81 MandyManners
Is that all? They need to ask Daddy Soros for some more allowance.
I'm sure he'll be more than happy to write a big honkin check.
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Digital Display Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:06:52pm |
re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Steele was a frequent guest on the "Tony Snow Show" on the radio beams. Boy, I miss Tony.
Tony Snow RIP
somebody said once that only the good die young....
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:07:07pm |
re: #24 Dr. Shalit
Sharmuta -
The founding parents - remember Abigail Adams, etc. - through their Males dedicated the Constitution to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." Happiness was an 18th century politically correct phrase that otherwise would have been expressed as "Property." as true then and true now. Comin' at all 'y'all in Linux at this point.
-S-
Preamble to Declaration of Independence.
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Sifty Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:07:33pm |
I can't imagine how people get the impression that we are the party of old white men.
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notutopia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:07:39pm |
WHY is there a front page ad for Dianetics.com on the townhall site?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:07:49pm |
re: #94 MandyManners
Preamble to Declaration of Independence.
Right. I didn't catch that one. But my other objection still stands.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:08:44pm |
re: #96 notutopia
WHY is there a front page ad for Dianetics.com on the townhall site?
Because they're desperate for money? And despise their readers?
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albusteve Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:08:58pm |
re: #91 Killgore Trout
He did ok. I do like the idea of trying to appeal to younger voters, it would bring some much needed new blood and new ideas to the party. They'll have to make a bigger deal of backing off from the social conservatives for it to work.
I'm so disillusioned I've become too idealistic...I want a Joe Montana type guy...pay attention, watch me and we will go down and win this thing...I'm losing perspective
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:09:07pm |
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Sifty Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:09:14pm |
Are those waiters, or escapees from Barney Frank's dungeon?
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:09:24pm |
re: #91 Killgore Trout
I'm still not happy about the vague references to our principles. I feel they need to be clearly stated, so we can all get on the same page or duke it out. I feel we're delaying the inevitable discussion on principles- I sense the conflict brewing.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:09:53pm |
re: #96 notutopia
WHY is there a front page ad for Dianetics.com on the townhall site?
Could it be....
Thetan?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:10:18pm |
"Present at the creation."
Yeah, you look about that old.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:10:19pm |
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mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:10:22pm |
re: #96 notutopia
ot--but i need to ask you a medical question--can you email me please? yhanks
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:10:57pm |
re: #99 albusteve
I'm pretty disillusioned too but I don't really want a charismatic front man. I just want good nuts and bolts, practical and realistic agenda.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:10:57pm |
re: #93 HoosierHoops
Tony Snow RIP
somebody said once that only the good die young....
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:11:36pm |
re: #82 Cato the Elder
cato -
"Pursuit of Happiness" was nothing except a Jeffersonian conceit to make "Property" sound less mercenary. That is all.
-S-
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:12:07pm |
re: #41 Dr. Shalit A site I am enjoying:
[Link: steeleforchairman.com...]
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:12:09pm |
re: #97 Cato the Elder
Right. I didn't catch that one. But my other objection still stands.
I agree.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:12:26pm |
re: #112 Dr. Shalit
cato -
"Pursuit of Happiness" was nothing except a Jeffersonian conceit to make "Property" sound less mercenary. That is all.
-S-
Again, source? Otherwise, bullshit. That is all.
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Sifty Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:12:43pm |
Night folks. This is like watching stuffed cats watch paint dry.
Don't let your meatloaf.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:12:49pm |
re: #107 mikeymom
ot--but i need to ask you a medical question--can you email me please? yhanks
hey, I tried to answer you the other day. Couldn't get the email thingy thing to work. That procedure is a piece of cake. Was as easy as they said it would be (says the person the procedure was not done on).
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albusteve Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:12:51pm |
re: #108 Killgore Trout
I'm pretty disillusioned too but I don't really want a charismatic front man. I just want good nuts and bolts, practical and realistic agenda.
that's the easy part...who will run with it to the WH?...nobody knows
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:13:07pm |
re: #92 Killer Tomato
I'm sure he'll be more than happy to write a big honkin check.
Can an individual give as much money as she wants to a private organizatin involved in politics?
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mattm Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:14:02pm |
Much better than PMSNBC drooling all over obama and calling bush a "rogue" president.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:14:12pm |
"I was never really for Nixon until Watergate."
That's going to win a lot of hearts and minds.
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:14:17pm |
re: #120 MandyManners
I'm not sure what the rules are for donating to a PAC. Anyone know?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:14:19pm |
re: #120 MandyManners
Can an individual give as much money as she wants to a private organizatin involved in politics?
Yes. Let me get you an address....
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:14:26pm |
re: #52 notutopia
I fully believe that not all youth are stupid. When I went to a Sarah Palin rally, there were scores of young adults there. Maybe it is just because I am not in a big city with a famous college? It did give me hope and i congratulated them on being involved with their own future.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:15:04pm |
Look how many people are watching this live stream: 943.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:15:13pm |
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mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:15:21pm |
re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
one question hubby had--did she need anesthsea(sp?) your other input was very helpful--thanks! (this is a new problem i need input for-d-i-l dads just dianosed w/ cancer)
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:15:38pm |
re: #70 Aviator
Hell, I'd sleep better if my Labrador was POTUS.
Can my Sheltie be VP?
She's better trained than Biden.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:16:13pm |
re: #124 Killer Tomato
I'm not sure what the rules are for donating to a PAC. Anyone know?
I don't recall if McCain-Feingold addressed that.
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:16:21pm |
re: #127 Charles
Through LGF or is that an entire count?
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Digital Display Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:16:32pm |
re: #121 ArmyWife
I have no sound. Maybe that's best.
My laptop at home is tripping..I can't hear any youtube sound or even general sounds except for some clips at certain sites..like ESPN...they work perfect..I've downloaded every driver known to man..no luck..starting to get pissed off
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:16:34pm |
re: #123 Cato the Elder
"I was never really for Nixon until Watergate."
That's going to win a lot of hearts and minds.
I'm biting my tongue but I found that funny. However, you're correct. Odd how he mentioned Detente and the China trip since I always thought that was one of the few highlights of the Nixon administration.
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pbird Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:16:39pm |
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albusteve Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:16:58pm |
what would Bill Buckley say about these times?....who is the next Buckley?
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:17:21pm |
re: #136 albusteve
what would Bill Buckley say about these times?....who is the next Buckley?
We need a new Goldwater.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:17:49pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:17:50pm |
This is like a roast at your local small-town Masonic hall on an off night.
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Aviator Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:18:16pm |
re: #130 lobo91
Can my Sheltie be VP?
She's better trained than Biden.
Less likely to pee on the living room carpet too.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:18:17pm |
re: #126 UberInfidel67
I've done some things with Young Republicans. There are bright, intelligent, articulate kids out there that "get it". We really should do more to engage this group - along with the old white men, really pretty Alaskan moms, members of the military and hip urban males. We have room - IF we remember our first order of business is protect the Constitution and the rights of everyone. Follow this closely with a responsible (conservative) fiscal policy. We'd win hands down if only one of the schmucks in high political esteem would say this over and over again.
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:18:32pm |
re: #120 MandyManners
Can an individual give as much money as she wants to a private organizatin involved in politics?
Pretty much. The limits are on what you can give to candidates for federal office (although some states have laws limiting contributions to state candidates, as well).
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:18:44pm |
re: #134 Gus 802
I'm biting my tongue but I found that funny. However, you're correct. Odd how he mentioned Detente and the China trip since I always thought that was one of the few highlights of the Nixon administration.
They were, too.
This guy is a paleopaleo.
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axegrinder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:19:53pm |
re: #136 albusteve
Not Jindal I'd wager. We need a brilliant, young and good lucking star speaker to carry the conservative banner. I don't think anybody like that exists that would care for the limelight.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:19:55pm |
re: #129 mikeymom
Yes. Very light though. Out enough, but not all the way under. No pain, no memory. Wife said, "That stuff should come in six-packs."
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:20:00pm |
re: #140 Aviator
Less likely to pee on the living room carpet too.
She'd probably growl at Pelosi if she had to sit next to her during the State of the Union, though.
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:20:07pm |
re: #143 Cato the Elder
They were, too.
This guy is a paleopaleo.
Maybe we can carbon-14 date him.
//
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:20:12pm |
"There's a photographer over there."
Well isn't this just gripping and inspiring.
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:21:03pm |
re: #141 ArmyWife
Yup - looking at that I'd say we need fewer 'old white guys' front and center.
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cronus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:21:19pm |
re: #47 MandyManners
I take it Specter, Snow and Collins won't be there.
Nope, Senate Dems are caucusing on the Hill.
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Digital Display Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:21:40pm |
re: #148 Cato the Elder
"There's a photographer over there."
Well isn't this just gripping and inspiring.
Hey you! Regards..You doing alright?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:21:48pm |
re: #149 Killer Tomato
Yup - looking at that I'd say we need fewer 'old white guys' front and center.
Good luck finding anything else.
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:22:07pm |
re: #149 Killer Tomato
Yup - looking at that I'd say we need fewer 'old white guys' front and center.
Didn't help that they honored Jesse Helms (one of four) in a previous video honor there.
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mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:22:10pm |
re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
thanks so much--very reassuring!
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:22:12pm |
re: #150 cronus
Nope, Senate Dems are caucusing on the Hill.
Think those three are serving drinks to them or something?
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snowcrash Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:22:19pm |
re: #136 albusteve
Don't know about reaching Buckleys status but Rich Lowry at NRO is really impressive. Maybe more like the next Krauthammer.
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Aviator Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:22:29pm |
re: #146 lobo91
She'd probably growl at Pelosi if she had to sit next to her during the State of the Union, though.
Maybe that would keep the old bat from jumping up all the time.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:22:35pm |
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:22:40pm |
re: #141 ArmyWife
I agree...that is why I discuss things like this with my own kids...and their clueless friends. A young girl that my daughter knows...we were talking politics and I told her she is old enough to vote in 2010...so DO IT! It is her future. She was soooo damn clueless as to what is happening with our country. She said she would never vote (R) because her dad would be pissed! I fell to my knees! I said "do you do everything your dad tells you to do?" (I know she doesn't...she's been into some pretty bad shit) She was "yeah but this is different" I could have died! My daughter was cracking up because I was on my knees "praying" to God to give this girl a friggin' clue! But, I will keep on pounding it into these young mushy heads!
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Digital Display Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:23:18pm |
re: #151 Charles
ZZzzzz...
Good night friend..weet dreams..
And may you wake up with the most coolest song in your head and jump up and play it on guitar...
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:23:19pm |
re: #149 Killer Tomato
Well, since I don't have sound, I'm making up my own speech. You'd vote for me. Maybe.
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:23:35pm |
re: #141 ArmyWife
We have room - IF we remember our first order of business is protect the Constitution and the rights of everyone. Follow this closely with a responsible (conservative) fiscal policy. We'd win hands down if only one of the schmucks in high political esteem would say this over and over again.
I agree. It's time we stop mentioning "shared principles" without specifying what they are. We need a clear message of exactly what they are, and how they set us apart from hopenchange. Until we do, I can't help but think I'm seeing nothing but empty rhetoric on the part of party spokespeople.
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SFGoth Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:23:36pm |
re: #157 snowcrash
Don't know about reaching Buckleys status but Rich Lowry at NRO is really impressive. Maybe more like the next Krauthammer.
There are definitely some guys at NRO I'd like to hang out with at a coffeeshop in Amsterdam.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:23:37pm |
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albusteve Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:23:39pm |
re: #144 axegrinder
Not Jindal I'd wager. We need a brilliant, young and good lucking star speaker to carry the conservative banner. I don't think anybody like that exists that would care for the limelight.
Eric Cantor
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brookly red Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:23:59pm |
re: #156 lobo91
Think those three are serving drinks to them or something?
/ I think they are serving us to them.
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:24:13pm |
re: #163 ArmyWife
Well, since I don't have sound, I'm making up my own speech. You'd vote for me. Maybe.
Did you check the volume button? The little speaker. Sometimes I find it on mute in other websites.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:24:16pm |
You can cut the excitement with an old copy of Reader's Digest.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:24:22pm |
re: #165 SFGoth
There are definitely some guys at NRO I'd like to hang out with at a coffeeshop in Amsterdam.
Why would you want to be in a place like that?
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notutopia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:24:33pm |
re: #126 UberInfidel67
I fully believe that not all youth are stupid. When I went to a Sarah Palin rally, there were scores of young adults there. Maybe it is just because I am not in a big city with a famous college? It did give me hope and i congratulated them on being involved with their own future.
I agree. The young conservatives votes and values will be important to the next election, but more important to the future and long term stability of the conservative party in the US.
But, imploring lines like, "You the man" and advocating
relating to them by using Hip Hop music, is just campaign marketing strategy that most conservative young voters don't really care about. I think we need to hash out our differences in conservative values first, before we jump on just any platform that calls themselves "conservative". Personally, I'm ready for some younger, energetic representation in this party.
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:24:34pm |
No doubt about it.
The Republican party needs a complete overhaul.
But listening to all the pundits has me cringing in fear that there will be an attempt to create a charismatic-hip-image-'cause-Jindal-sucked Republican party.
Nothin' worse than a square trying to be cool................
I miss Cheney......
Clear,
Authoritative,
to the point.
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:24:59pm |
re: #160 UberInfidel67
The first thing you need to pound into her mushy head is the concept of 'secret ballot'.
Why do I doubt she runs home and tells Daddy everything she did that day?
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albusteve Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:25:25pm |
re: #157 snowcrash
Don't know about reaching Buckleys status but Rich Lowry at NRO is really impressive. Maybe more like the next Krauthammer.
Rich is the lucky recipient of Buckley's mojo
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:26:01pm |
Human Events
, home of ... Ann Coulter, the place where you wanna be."
Not.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:26:49pm |
PIMF. Human Events, home of ... Ann Coulter, the place where you wanna be."
Not.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:27:16pm |
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:27:17pm |
re: #163 ArmyWife
Well, since I don't have sound, I'm making up my own speech. You'd vote for me. Maybe.
Probably.
:D
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:27:19pm |
re: #172 notutopia
I agree...to a point. Look, the One brought in the numbers by playing to the crowd. Steele can do this. It shouldn't be blatant patronizing, but hell, fire up our youth. it is their future and they need to think about it. I admit it would be a fine line...don't want to come off as a doddering old fogie. I will be patient...for a while, and see how Steele brings this forward.
/optimist
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:28:28pm |
With the Anne Coulter plug is switched it off (as did pretty much everyone under 40)
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:28:33pm |
re: #174 Killer Tomato
She probably does! Hell, she smokes weed with her dad...but is afraid to vote (R)? WTF? Hence, my praying to God for her to get a clue. lol
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Digital Display Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:28:52pm |
re: #166 Cato the Elder
Hey, Hoops! Fine. How's by you?
Doing great Cato.
Hope today finds you well..
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:28:54pm |
re: #164 Sharmuta
This "shared" whatever is someone with a marketing degree advising the politicos to use words that aren't divisive. The intended result is we sound inclusive. The reality is we appear as if we don't stand for anything of substance. People want a leader who actually leads. Heck, Obama was elected because he spelled out what he stood for. He's leading us right to hell, but he told us he would do that all along.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:28:58pm |
Keynote speaker. Passion and inspiration comin' up.
Mebbe.
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notutopia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:29:13pm |
re: #179 mikeymom
I will decline mikeymom. Please refer any questions you have to your personal medical practitioner.
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mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:30:21pm |
re: #190 notutopia
I will decline mikeymom. Please refer any questions you have to your personal medical practitioner.
i understand-its not for me-just wanted some genral input--its ok tho-thx
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Emperor Norton Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:30:23pm |
Well, all you're going to have left are white-haired good old boys if you keep rejecting people who are not old white males, like Anne Coulter, Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:30:54pm |
re: #190 notutopia
What should I do for a sore ankle?
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:31:12pm |
Ya know...I used to think that some of the folly of my youth would keep me out of public office. Now I look at the O Admin...and think "Hell, a DUI aint SHIT!" lol
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:31:18pm |
re: #186 UberInfidel67
I don't have kids. Not going to comment.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:31:25pm |
re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Whack your toe with a hammer. Works every time.
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SFGoth Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:31:36pm |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:32:02pm |
re: #194 Emperor Norton
Well, all you're going to have left are white-haired good old boys if you keep rejecting people who are not old white males, like Anne Coulter, Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal.
true that.
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:32:05pm |
Have to be careful about the extent of delving into the nostalgia.
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mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:32:12pm |
re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What should I do for a sore ankle?
even i know that--RICE--rest,ice,compression,elevation--you'll get my bill!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:32:13pm |
re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What should I do for a sore ankle?
Notutopia? That was a set-up for you to say: "Limp."
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notutopia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:32:21pm |
re: #183 UberInfidel67
I agree...to a point. Look, the One brought in the numbers by playing to the crowd. Steele can do this. It shouldn't be blatant patronizing, but hell, fire up our youth. it is their future and they need to think about it. I admit it would be a fine line...don't want to come off as a doddering old fogie. I will be patient...for a while, and see how Steele brings this forward.
/optimist
I am wishing that Steele had more time devoted to him tonight. The party really needs to hear more of his ideas, to feel a direction of his leadership.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:32:29pm |
An altimeter in a "Jagwire". What a hoot!
How to reach out and touch the average guy...
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:32:42pm |
re: #93 HoosierHoops
Tony Snow RIP
somebody said once that only the good die young....
HooHoo -
In Tony's case - Only the BEST Die Young. Ha-Shem obviously HAS other plans. Would I knew WHY?
-S-
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:33:05pm |
re: #198 Killer Tomato
Nowadays, if your kids are ONLY smoking weed....consider yourself lucky. My kids do it, they know I know. BUT, I will not buy it or let it in my house or share with them.. I don't like it and they know it. I just think he is setting a bad example because it is illegal. JMO
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:33:05pm |
re: #169 Gus 802
I did. But thank you, it would be just like me to have something like that be the problem!
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mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:33:52pm |
re: #210 UberInfidel67
Nowadays, if your kids are ONLY smoking weed....consider yourself lucky. My kids do it, they know I know. BUT, I will not buy it or let it in my house or share with them.. I don't like it and they know it. I just think he is setting a bad example because it is illegal. JMO
how old are your kids? if i may axe
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:33:57pm |
re: #206 notutopia
Did you see the link I put up on this thread. I am sooo loving this man.
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:34:06pm |
re: #158 Aviator
Maybe that would keep the old bat from jumping up all the time.
She could act as the official lie detector for the speech. Every time she hears something interesting, her ears go up. Frank Luntz could use a video of her ears for his explanation of stuff, instead of those graphs from the focus group.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:34:19pm |
"They decide where you live, what you do, what you think."
Right. Me so scared.
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axegrinder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:34:19pm |
re: #188 ArmyWife
Obama was elected because we have an ignorant electorate and because the alternative was seriously lame. I love Gov. Palin and have enormous respect for her but she was a piss poor choice for v. pres. McCain makes too many foolish mistakes and I understand why Powell threw his support to Obama. We are all paying for McCain's poorly organized campaign.
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notutopia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:34:24pm |
re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What should I do for a sore ankle?
If it's swollen, Soak it in cool epsom salts water.
Also, drink 1 tsp diluted in 8oz. of warm water, it's a great purgative.
/
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:34:26pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:34:59pm |
re: #194 Emperor Norton
Well, all you're going to have left are white-haired good old boys if you keep rejecting people who are not old white males, like Anne Coulter, Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal.
I like Palin and I hope that Jindal comes around to a less crazy position. Coulter I do not like. She's nasty and snarky and I don't like people like that.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:35:13pm |
re: #213 mikeymom
21 and soon to be 20. Their friends can't believe I was never a pot head in high school because EVERYONE smokes weed. lol
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Digital Display Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:35:43pm |
re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What should I do for a sore ankle?
Catching up on the thread..ankle, knee, arm, leg.rib,injuries
just ask the hoopster...
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mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:35:51pm |
re: #218 notutopia
If it's swollen, Soak it in cool epsom salts water.
Also, drink 1 tsp diluted in 8oz. of warm water, it's a great purgative.
/
somehow, i dont like that visual!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:36:20pm |
re: #187 HoosierHoops
Saw a story just now on Yahoo news. Sure you don't want to change your nic. Hoosiers are in a sorry, sorry state this year.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:36:21pm |
re: #218 notutopia
If it's swollen, Soak it in cool epsom salts water.
Also, drink 1 tsp diluted in 8oz. of warm water, it's a great purgative.
/
FBV has boiled okra, nature's hagfish; so no need for a purgative.
/
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astronmr20 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:36:33pm |
Jewish leaders throw Hillary under the bus:
[Link: wcbstv.com...]
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:36:53pm |
re: #194 Emperor Norton
Well, all you're going to have left are white-haired good old boys if you keep rejecting people who are not old white males, like Anne Coulter, Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal.
Pffft.
If my choice is between these zombies (no offense, Zombo!) and Coulter (mad and evil), Palin (palin' around with creationists) or Jindal (creationist), we're well and truly shafted.
| 230 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:36:58pm |
"Conservatism is not dead."
Now there's a ringing slogan.
| 231 |
albusteve Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:37:30pm |
a dead guy just told me Conservatism is not dead...what a relief
| 233 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:37:49pm |
I'm going to watch the video on the last thread. This is painful.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:37:52pm |
re: #228 astronmr20
I had higher hopes for Hillary. I was hoping she would go all "pissed of beeotch". Maybe she is still laying her evil plan and we have a shot at preserving the Republic?
/oh please God yes
| 237 |
ArmyWife Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:38:03pm |
re: #217 axegrinder
McCain's campaign was horrific. Sarah Palin wasn't the reason. She is the only thing that brought life to the thing - she was mismanaged, when she could do her thing, she did her thing.
That said - McCain stood for....nothing. He lost this being "moderate" and wishy washy. Now I'd take moderate and wishy washy all day long over assertively socialist. But that's what we got, isn't it?
| 238 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:38:09pm |
re: #230 Charles
"Conservatism is not dead."
Now there's a ringing slogan.
all it needs is a diagnoses from Doctor House!
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Syrah Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:38:55pm |
Watching CPAC is more discouraging than watching the Dow. The similarities only make it worse.
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:39:08pm |
re: #188 ArmyWife
This "shared" whatever is someone with a marketing degree advising the politicos to use words that aren't divisive. The intended result is we sound inclusive. The reality is we appear as if we don't stand for anything of substance. People want a leader who actually leads. Heck, Obama was elected because he spelled out what he stood for. He's leading us right to hell, but he told us he would do that all along.
Exactly. I think adding vagueness to our position hasn't helped, it's made it worse. It's helped to make us seem not that much different than what we claim to oppose, when what is needed is a clear and distinct alternative.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:40:31pm |
re: #237 ArmyWife
I have to say, wishy-washy sums his campaign up the best! Good one.
UPDING
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:40:56pm |
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:41:00pm |
re: #222 UberInfidel67
Everyone doesn't. I never have. My 17 year old hasn't. I hope she makes it through college without trying, I hope I've given her enough strength for that. I count my lucky stars for my relationship with her, we are very close and yes, she tells me things I really don't want to hear, but at least I know I'm not clueless as to her activities.
These kids are going to have a rough go of it when they get into a job with random drug testing, which is more and more frequent.
| 248 |
UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:41:29pm |
Small light at the end of the tunnel here in Western PA:
[Link: jimchristiana.com...]
A small step, but a step nonetheless. He is young and a republican!
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albusteve Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:41:55pm |
| 251 |
Digital Display Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:41:58pm |
re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw a story just now on Yahoo news. Sure you don't want to change your nic. Hoosiers are in a sorry, sorry state this year.
LOL
Let's be clear about this..I played College ball for two colleges in California.
I sat on the bench for 5 years..You really believe I can be embarressed?
/Crean will have Indiana in the sweet 16 in 3 years...Hell of of a coach
| 253 |
Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:42:23pm |
re: #244 taxfreekiller
Liberals are going to get millions killed, the country bankrupt, and your children in tax bondage their whole lives.
Why do these guys insist on bringing a butter knife every time?
| 254 |
ArmyWife Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:42:35pm |
re: #230 Charles
no guarantees at the end of this, though! (based on the comments)
| 255 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:42:44pm |
re: #238 sattv4u2
all it needs is a diagnoses from Doctor House!
He should use his cane as a cluebat on those speakers.
| 256 |
UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:42:51pm |
re: #247 ArmyWife
I probably should have put that in qoutation marks. It was a generalization on the part of the young'ins. And good for your daughter!
| 258 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:43:26pm |
Personally, what I would like to see a a move in the party to reform the very method of how Washington spends our money. No more baseline budgeting; programs allowed to spend thrifty where they can and save their own budgetary allotments and carry them over into the next year. Allow government to spend it's money like a real business would have to. I think a government that spends wisely would be a reform movement many Americans could get behind because it's just common sense.
| 259 |
lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:43:30pm |
re: #244 taxfreekiller
Liberals are going to get millions killed, the country bankrupt, and your children in tax bondage their whole lives.
It's a little long to put on a bumper sticker, but I like it...
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:43:46pm |
re: #256 UberInfidel67
Oh I know they are trying to justify a bad behavior with the "everyone" clause. It's really sad, though.
| 261 |
notutopia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:44:10pm |
re: #252 J.S.
This is just so exciting.
Let me drink another cup of sake, maybe it will help get me to that effect...
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:44:24pm |
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albusteve Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:44:57pm |
nobody loves me....
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
| 268 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:45:37pm |
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:45:51pm |
re: #260 ArmyWife
I find it asinine. Heck, i am the "cool" mom with the kids' friends. They know I take no bullshit and tell them what I think of their behavior. If their parents don't like how I talk to their kids...oh well. Maybe they need to be better parents. I have the respect of these kids BECAUSE their parents could give a damn less about what they are doing. I talk to these kids the same way I talk to mine.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:45:59pm |
Octomom. P0rn movie?
/words that should never be spoken together...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:46:22pm |
Wonder if Walter reads the Rocky or the Post. Hope I remember to ask him. G'night y'all!
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:46:46pm |
re: #259 lobo91
It's a little long to put on a bumper sticker, but I like it...
Obama Spent, My Country Went
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:47:07pm |
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:47:10pm |
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:47:36pm |
re: #270 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Did you hear about the new breakfast at Dennys? It is called the "Octo-Slam: 14 eggs, no sausage and the guy next to you pays for it ; )
| 277 |
lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:47:38pm |
re: #272 OldLineTexan
I just ordered one that says "Obama Spent My Change"
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:48:21pm |
re: #219 Dr. Shalit
Cato -
For reference, the words "Life, Liberty and Property" are derived from (i.e. a QUOTE from) THE SECOND TREATISE of JOHN LOCKE. Conventional wisdom is that, and I know "Conventional Wisdom" can be a synonym for "Caca de Toro," under the Reigning British Monarch, George III, those "Rights" more or less existed. IOW Jefferson was looking for something MORE.
-S-
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:48:36pm |
re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Heard about that.
(*shudder*)
Maybe she can team up with Franken-dick... (darn, forgot the sap's real name) and make for a serious freak-show.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:48:39pm |
re: #276 UberInfidel67
Did you hear about the new breakfast at Dennys? It is called the "Octo-Slam: 14 eggs, no sausage and the guy next to you pays for it ; )
I love it!....
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Right mind left Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:48:46pm |
re: #258 Sharmuta
Personally, what I would like to see a a move in the party to reform the very method of how Washington spends our money. No more baseline budgeting; programs allowed to spend thrifty where they can and save their own budgetary allotments and carry them over into the next year. Allow government to spend it's money like a real business would have to. I think a government that spends wisely would be a reform movement many Americans could get behind because it's just common sense.
Absolutely. And I would really like to see report cards for EACH BILL, line by line each senator votes for each item yay or nay so we have clarity on their positions. No more "I agree with the name of this bill but never really had time to read it and I just never knew they put THAT in there...."
-0- has been talking about transparency but it is clear he is smoke and mirrors all over the place. We need concrete transparency. I might even want to take it a step further that the gov't has a credit limit, if they are going over the debt load there must be a special vote by us taxpayers...
| 285 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:49:04pm |
Well, at least he didn't use any of the "something like volacno-mice" cliches.
| 286 |
snowcrash Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:49:05pm |
re: #264 Charles
He used to be quite chummy with the discovery Institute.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:49:15pm |
re: #281 albusteve
I got that in an email today and felt the need to share it. lol lol
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astronmr20 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:49:28pm |
re: #234 UberInfidel67
I had higher hopes for Hillary. I was hoping she would go all "pissed of beeotch". Maybe she is still laying her evil plan and we have a shot at preserving the Republic?
/oh please God yes
Well, here is the conundrum. Under "sane" circumstances, we know that "peace in the middle east" is not possible. The Arabs simply do not negotiate. They have to constantly piss and mark their territory, and never give an inch. To call them out on their bullshit would be for them to yell, scream, seethe, and beat their insecure chests.
In the interest of "peace," or at least making trying to convince the rest of the world that they do care about peace (which they do) Israel has understood that it generally always has to be the one to compromise.
What's "right" would be for any world leader to condemn the racist death-cult culture that the rest of the Arab world encourages in the Palestinians. However, there is a LOT of shit that any fair "broker," as the US tries to be, has to ignore and look the other way on.
It's a bullshit mess and pointless facade that each administration seems hell-bent on pursuing, perhaps in the interest of looking like we are "trying."
The closest we ever saw to a peace arrangement was from Bill Clinton, and Arafat still threw it back in Israel's face, despite true, un-deserved statehood being within reach.
Although he may not have been the perfect president if elected, I would like to have seen how Rudy would have treated the situation.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:49:35pm |
re: #272 OldLineTexan
Obama Spent, My Country Went
OLT -
Sounds like a rotating title to me. That is all.
-S-
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axegrinder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:49:54pm |
re: #269 UberInfidel67
Frequently the problem is they probably don't talk to their kids. Not about the important stuff anyway.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:50:06pm |
re: #284 Sharmuta
Not at all. Genetically engineered folks were better than folks bred through icky sex... was not anti science at all.
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astronmr20 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:50:28pm |
re: #248 UberInfidel67
Small light at the end of the tunnel here in Western PA:
[Link: jimchristiana.com...]
A small step, but a step nonetheless. He is young and a republican!
What is he? 12?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:50:39pm |
re: #270 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Octomom. P0rn movie?
/words that should never be spoken together...
Actually, I hopes she takes the offer. That way she can pay the state of California back for all the medical care she's freeloaded. She's screwed us, its only fair we get watch her get screwed.
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notutopia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:50:48pm |
re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not at all. Genetically engineered folks were better than folks bred through icky sex... was not anti science at all.
And, no STD's.
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:51:46pm |
re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not at all. Genetically engineered folks were better than folks bred through icky sex... was not anti science at all.
Except non-genetically engineered people and the handicapped were treated like second class citizens. I assume this is what the Senator was getting at.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:51:56pm |
re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I think I wouldn't be so fond of this concept.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:51:58pm |
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:52:01pm |
Well that was.... um...
we've got work ahead of us.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:52:36pm |
re: #288 astronmr20
I agree with every damn paragraph you typed. The bottom line is "Jews? Either leave the entire ME or live like dhimmis, or face anihilation". That is all. Peace my ass! And yes, it is all to look like they are "trying". Who is gonna have the balls to stand up and say "You know what? YOU got ALL this land and they have a sliver. WTF more do you want? No, honestly...say it...c'mon, spit it out. You want the destruction of Israel."
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:52:46pm |
re: #294 astronmr20
What is he? 12?
He's a college graduate, apparently.
The kids get younger every day.
/sigh
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:52:57pm |
Did I miss anything "vital"?
I couldn't take more than ten minutes of the cretinous woman on the last thread, so now I'm back here.
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:53:23pm |
re: #299 Dr. Shalit
Gus 802 -
"SPIRO GIRO?" Jut wondering?
-S-
Spiro Gyra... nevermind, thought that was the music.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:53:30pm |
re: #290 axegrinder
How can they not? I guess they are just happy with their meager existence. God that makes me **shudder**
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:53:38pm |
re: #293 OldLineTexan
John Bobbitt.
That's it... sad to think you wasted brain cells on him. Sorry about that.
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:53:44pm |
re: #258 Sharmuta
Personally, what I would like to see a a move in the party to reform the very method of how Washington spends our money. No more baseline budgeting; programs allowed to spend thrifty where they can and save their own budgetary allotments and carry them over into the next year. Allow government to spend it's money like a real business would have to. I think a government that spends wisely would be a reform movement many Americans could get behind because it's just common sense.
I like that idea. The problem with it is that it involves common sense. The other problem is that most politicians don't actually know how to run a business. One of the reasons they are politicians - is that they could never make it the private sector. I think we need to add a requirement to office holders: You must run a successful small or medium sized business and actually create a job, a product, or a service, and then pay the taxes involved in doing so.
Our entrenched non-term limited congress will never agree to that.
Too power hungry, too soft, too lobby-pimped.
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mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:53:52pm |
re: #295 Dark_Falcon
had to downding- i think she is mentaly ill-
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:53:59pm |
re: #304 Cato the Elder
Did I miss anything "vital"?
I couldn't take more than ten minutes of the cretinous woman on the last thread, so now I'm back here.
Didn't miss a thing. They're done for tonight.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:54:17pm |
re: #295 Dark_Falcon
Oh no you didn't... pass the eye bleach...
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:54:51pm |
Needless to say- I think we're a long ways from genetically engineering children on a mass scale like in Gattaca. People still seem to favor the more traditional method. Can't imagine why.....
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:55:05pm |
OT: Why does Palin hate Jindal?
/that's supposed to be sarcastic
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:55:27pm |
re: #309 mikeymom
had to downding- i think she is mentaly ill-
Naw, just a democratic socialist state citizen prototype... v1.0
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axegrinder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:55:40pm |
re: #295 Dark_Falcon
I don't wanna see her get screwed. I saw a picture of her belly while pregnant and I don't want to see any more. Ever.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:55:49pm |
re: #303 OldLineTexan
His hometown hosted BO and JB also. But, they also had a Sarah Palin rally. I do hope this is "change".
/Did I really just use the "C" word?
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:56:53pm |
re: #303 OldLineTexan
He's a college graduate, apparently.
The kids get younger every day.
/sigh
One of my State Reps graduated High School in 2006.
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:56:58pm |
re: #308 FrogMarch
I like that idea. The problem with it is that it involves common sense. The other problem is that most politicians don't actually know how to run a business. One of the reasons they are politicians - is that they could never make it the private sector. I think we need to add a requirement to office holders: You must run a successful small or medium sized business and actually create a job, a product, or a service, and then pay the taxes involved in doing so.
Our entrenched non-term limited congress will never agree to that.
Too power hungry, too soft, too lobby-pimped.
I think the larger problem is that the electorate is not aware of how government spends. It doesn't take much to realize a business or even an individual can't run their own finances the way government runs theirs. It will be easier to convince them of the solution than it will be to convince them of the problem.
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mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:57:13pm |
i need to leave for a while-need more nicotine gum- ALOT--and some more proseco--later
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:57:14pm |
re: #305 Gus 802
Spiro Gyra... nevermind, thought that was the music.
Gus 802 -
"Spiro Giro" here in the NY Metro is about the ONLY WAY I will eat Lamb voluntarily.
-S-
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notutopia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:58:06pm |
Frank Zappa
Don't Eat The Yellow Snow, Nanook Rubs It, St. Alphonzos Pancake Breakfeast, Father O'Blivion
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jcm Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:58:12pm |
re: #284 Sharmuta
I've seen Gattaca- was it some sort of dig at science?
Taking genetic screening to a Eugenics end.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:58:15pm |
Keep up the good fight. I've got to be at the Chemical Plant bright and early manana to wreck havoc with the Union before Hilda Solis kidnaps me and throws me in the bay.
Be good!
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:58:20pm |
re: #322 Dr. Shalit
Gus 802 -
"Spiro Giro" here in the NY Metro is about the ONLY WAY I will eat Lamb voluntarily.
-S-
Ah, OK. A gyro! Mmmm, tasty.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:58:55pm |
re: #279 Dr. Shalit
Cato -
For reference, the words "Life, Liberty and Property" are derived from (i.e. a QUOTE from) THE SECOND TREATISE of JOHN LOCKE. Conventional wisdom is that, and I know "Conventional Wisdom" can be a synonym for "Caca de Toro," under the Reigning British Monarch, George III, those "Rights" more or less existed. IOW Jefferson was looking for something MORE.
-S-
Could it not be that Jefferson was consciously riffing on Locke? Why would he not be at liberty (pesky word) to substitute a different right in the third place? And is the "pursuit of happiness" something insidious in your eyes?
Be that as it may, your note does nothing to prove your original assertion, viz. that "pursuit of happiness" was an eighteenth-century politically correct euphemism for "property", and somehow implies that property was considered unsavory. I still find that to be nonsense.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:58:58pm |
re: #319 Killer Tomato
One of my State Reps graduated High School in 2006.
I'll bet it was the best 7 years of his life!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:59:00pm |
re: #309 mikeymom
had to downding- i think she is mentaly ill-
Fair enough. I was mostly kidding anyway.
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astronmr20 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:59:12pm |
re: #302 UberInfidel67
I agree with every damn paragraph you typed. The bottom line is "Jews? Either leave the entire ME or live like dhimmis, or face anihilation". That is all. Peace my ass! And yes, it is all to look like they are "trying". Who is gonna have the balls to stand up and say "You know what? YOU got ALL this land and they have a sliver. WTF more do you want? No, honestly...say it...c'mon, spit it out. You want the destruction of Israel."
I do wish a real world leader would finally call this for what it is. Let the rest of the world witness a true debate on the topic by shedding some real light on the situation. Let's show copies of "protocols of the elders of zion" sitting on bookshelves in palestinian classrooms. Let an American president call them out on their cruel, hateful, sick, disgusting use of children for propaganda.
I think Rudy might have gotten the "word out" if he was elected. Oh well.
Israel owes the Palestinians NOTHING. not even the food, electricity, and medical care they provide. Israel should complete walling off the rest of it's territory, and let the rest of the world take on the welfare state of "Palestine."
...Respond with deadly force when mortars and rockets come over the walls, and lay to waste the countries that dare provide the Pali's with even a stone for throwing.
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legalpad Thu, Feb 26, 2009 6:59:38pm |
re: #237 ArmyWife
A thorough summary in few words. Dead on.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:00:33pm |
re: #320 Sharmuta
I think the larger problem is that the electorate is not aware of how government spends. It doesn't take much to realize a business or even an individual can't run their own finances the way government runs theirs. It will be easier to convince them of the solution than it will be to convince them of the problem.
sharmuta -
Verrry Appreciated - I didn't learn how to run a business until I QUIT being a Politician. After that, it was easy.
-S-
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:00:39pm |
re: #330 astronmr20 What I can't understand: There is another border with Egypt!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:00:43pm |
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:00:45pm |
re: #320 Sharmuta
And this is the perfect time to bring up this issue. I think people were amazed that a bill that no one had read, that no one knew what it contained, was voted on and passed. Whether you agreed with the outcome or not, I think the process left a lot of people thinking WTF?
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jaunte Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:01:13pm |
re: #324 jcm
Taking genetic screening to a Eugenics end.
The dumb part of Gattaca was the pretense that a person could get so clean and scrubbed that they wouldn't shed any hair or skin cells.
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Scion9 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:01:28pm |
Among these inalienable rights, as proclaimed in that great document, is the right of men to pursue their happiness, by which is meant the right to pursue any lawful business or vocation, in any manner not inconsistent with the equal rights of others, which may increase their prosperity or develop their faculties, so as to give to them their highest enjoyment.Justice Stephen Field
Butchers' Union Co. v. Crescent City Co., 111 U.S. 746
The phrase 'life, liberty and property pursuit of happiness' is cribbed from John Locke's 2nd Treatise. Jefferson I believe changed it in part, as a philosophical justification for independence. That 'property' doesn't really speak to the rest of the preamble's premise that it is just for a people to be able to overthrow their tyrannical government. Locke's premise of inalienable rights was a constraint on government, and didn't have anything to do with self-government at all; while Jefferson's preamble was obviously citing that lack of self-government with the 'consent of the governed' phrase.
He never really elaborated or conclusively responded to criticism over the changing of the phrase in his autobiography or elsewhere. I believe that property is still implicit as a part of that pursuit, and Jefferson's own beliefs on the right to ownership and management of property derived of one's own industry and inheritance are not hard to find, but that property is not the only thing that was intended by that phrase.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:01:49pm |
re: #336 Killer Tomato
Can we not still cut these things off at the knees. I thought writing something was different then really getting a chance to implement it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:02:20pm |
re: #258 Sharmuta
I think a government that spends wisely would be a reform movement many Americans could get behind because it's just common sense.
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:02:26pm |
re: #259 lobo91
It's a little long to put on a bumper sticker, but I like it...
how 'bout
OBAMAs GUNNA GIT ME KILLED!
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:02:49pm |
re: #315 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh....
A request for a comment from Gov. Sarah Palin -- also considered a future GOP presidential contender -- wasn't forthcoming either. But Palin press secretary Bill McAllister said, "Of course Alaskans want to know if a volcano is going to blow."
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jcm Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:03:06pm |
re: #337 jaunte
The dumb part of Gattaca was the pretense that a person could get so clean and scrubbed that they wouldn't shed any hair or skin cells.
Are you saying I shed?
HMMMPPPFFFF!
/ ;-P
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:03:34pm |
re: #342 IslandLibertarian
how 'bout
OBAMAs GUNNA GIT ME KILLED!
Actually, a bumper sticker like that just might do it.
/Just sayin'
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astronmr20 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:03:45pm |
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ConservatismNow! Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:04:04pm |
re: #314 Iron Fist
The only thing I have to say is: moderate what? Moderate is an adjective describing something. Are you a moderate Dem or a moderate Rep? It's like a shield that people hide behind. "Yeah, I'm a moderate." "Oh, so you're a half-ass." And what the hell is an undecided anyway? You're an adult, possibly with a family, a job, and a home, yet you can't even make up your damn mind about who you want to lead this country? It takes a few hours to make an educated decision. Anyone who can't put forth that effort should not be voting in the first place. Oh, and this wasn't directed at you, IF. Just at moderates in general.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:04:33pm |
re: #337 jaunte
Actually no. There are several scenes where the main character is doing daily cleaning of his work space, like his computer keyboard to remove clues. One scene shows him shedding an eye lash near a crime scene. Through scrubbing before his work day was to minimize the amount of shedding.
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:05:19pm |
re: #320 Sharmuta
I think the larger problem is that the electorate is not aware of how government spends. It doesn't take much to realize a business or even an individual can't run their own finances the way government runs theirs. It will be easier to convince them of the solution than it will be to convince them of the problem.
Well, the Repubs have a huge opportunity to educate and talk about real solutions. And stop whining about the peripheral stuff like (the social-con stuff).
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:05:23pm |
re: #336 Killer Tomato
And this is the perfect time to bring up this issue. I think people were amazed that a bill that no one had read, that no one knew what it contained, was voted on and passed. Whether you agreed with the outcome or not, I think the process left a lot of people thinking WTF?
Indeed- it's a perfect opportunity to point out the very mechanism that allows for this sort of wanton spending. First, there is no fiscal accountability, and second, the tools such as baseline budgeting and forced spending cost us all money needlessly. Money that should either stay in our pocketbooks, or be spent on other items that need funding like perhaps an unexpected natural disaster or the like. If people understood how Washington spends, they might want to change it.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:05:50pm |
re: #346 astronmr20 I thinnk I am gonna start asking that question. I really am when i hear someone bitching about the "apartheid wall". Dumb fuckers.
Excuse my french.
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pingjockey Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:06:17pm |
Liberal=a person whose mind is so open their brains have drained out.
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:06:17pm |
re: #349 FrogMarch
Well, the Repubs have a huge opportunity to educate and talk about real solutions. And stop whining about the peripheral stuff like (the social-con stuff).
Yes- and many of us are waiting to see if they'll grab this opportunity.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:06:39pm |
re: #348 BlueCanuck
Actually no. There are several scenes where the main character is doing daily cleaning of his work space, like his computer keyboard to remove clues. One scene shows him shedding an eye lash near a crime scene. Through scrubbing before his work day was to minimize the amount of shedding.
Underrated movie. I enjoyed it.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:07:34pm |
re: #314 Iron Fist
Unfortunately, if your "base" consists largely of whackaloon soi-disant social conservatives, creationists, Ann Coulter fans and people who think Bobby Jindal is the next second coming, you're going to have more and more trouble getting any small-c conservatives not already on the Noah's Ark Cruise Line to support you.
Demographically, that base is lost. Find a new one, a modest, small-government, fiscal conservative, small-l libertarian one, or give up the White House for the next twenty years.
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astronmr20 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:07:52pm |
re: #352 UberInfidel67
I thinnk I am gonna start asking that question. I really am when i hear someone bitching about the "apartheid wall". Dumb fuckers.
Excuse my french.
Agree.
That is definitely my hot-button. But you can't blame people for repeating that when they are simply ignorant of the facts. They "got it from somewhere." You just have to calmly educate them.
It's a very dishonest word to use and it pisses me off, too.
if any of them had any idea of what the checkpoints were like during the 2nd intafada, they'd want spikes and flame-throwers on the wall.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:07:59pm |
re: #307 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
That's it... sad to think you wasted brain cells on him. Sorry about that.
One of my coworkers was getting married about that time ... he was marrying an extremely wonderful woman who also happened to be a coworker ... we made her a "Bobbitizing Kit" and presented it as a gag gift at a congratulatory lunch ... they have four children now ... I am assuming she never found a need to use it.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:08:06pm |
re: #348 BlueCanuck
Actually no. There are several scenes where the main character is doing daily cleaning of his work space, like his computer keyboard to remove clues. One scene shows him shedding an eye lash near a crime scene. Through scrubbing before his work day was to minimize the amount of shedding.
Yes, I remember that; I just couldn't believe he could avoid detection if the society was as controlled as the story had it.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:08:23pm |
re: #327 Cato the Elder
Cato -
Seems as if we will respectfully disagree. Looking back at the late 18th Century Unpleasantness/Anglo Civil War, I could see myself as a "Moderate Tory" - wishing reconciliation with Parliamentary Representation. History went otherwise. hat is why we have TWO Nations in what was British North America, The USA - AND - CANADA. Brother/Sister nations with different relations to "Mother."
-S-
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:08:41pm |
re: #350 Sharmuta
Indeed- it's a perfect opportunity to point out the very mechanism that allows for this sort of wanton spending. First, there is no fiscal accountability, and second, the tools such as baseline budgeting and forced spending cost us all money needlessly. Money that should either stay in our pocketbooks, or be spent on other items that need funding like perhaps an unexpected natural disaster or the like. If people understood how Washington spends, they might want to change it.
The problem is trying to get the message out to people (present company excluded) who have the attention span of a gnat on crack. We need Schoolhouse Rock does Washington.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:09:55pm |
re: #351 Killgore Trout
Is the feed still going or is it dead?
It was kinda dead WHILE it was still going !
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:10:11pm |
re: #353 pingjockey
The problem is that the conservatives aren't really offering an appealing alternative. Although they seem to be trying to go for the youth vote from what I saw of the speeches they are a bunch of stale old men. Idiots like Coulter, Buchanan and Jindal just drive away young/educated voters. They are in serious trouble.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:10:17pm |
re: #342 IslandLibertarian
how 'bout
OBAMAs GUNNA GIT ME KILLED!
Island "Lib" -
SO FAR - Only IF all'y'all LET IT HAPPEN, advice - DON'T.
-S-
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:10:23pm |
Charles? I have never encountered this problem before...but, when I hit reply or try to ding, I get redirected to the front page. Maybe it is some fancy schmancy high society Mac thing you got going on (I use IE7)? lol Just kidding about that last part though. lol
| 368 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:10:42pm |
re: #314 Iron Fist
Oh, and for the record, I'm still upset by Watergate. Nixon didn't have to break the law and ignore the constitutional rights of citizens (in ways far worse than anything Bush was ever accused of) to win that election. A paranoid lawbreaker in the White House? In my name? No thanks.
To minimize it is to despise the truth.
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pingjockey Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:10:50pm |
re: #354 Sharmuta
They had that opportunity in '94 and squandered it. Then until 2006 and they pissed all that time away. I have faith that the feckless fools(not Steele) will piss away this chance too. They have no balls, guts, or brains.
Flatworms they are.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:11:24pm |
re: #367 UberInfidel67
Charles? I have never encountered this problem before...but, when I hit reply or try to ding, I get redirected to the front page. Maybe it is some fancy schmancy high society Mac thing you got going on (I use IE7)? lol Just kidding about that last part though. lol
Happened a couple of times to me also, but only when I hit "QUOTE"
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:12:05pm |
re: #367 UberInfidel67
Charles? I have never encountered this problem before...but, when I hit reply or try to ding, I get redirected to the front page. Maybe it is some fancy schmancy high society Mac thing you got going on (I use IE7)? lol Just kidding about that last part though. lol
Reload. It helped me just now.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:12:05pm |
Why no Rudy at CPAC? Hell, if it were up to me I'd have Hitch replace Coulter.
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:12:12pm |
re: #367 UberInfidel67
Charles? I have never encountered this problem before...but, when I hit reply or try to ding, I get redirected to the front page. Maybe it is some fancy schmancy high society Mac thing you got going on (I use IE7)? lol Just kidding about that last part though. lol
Happening to me too.
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rawmuse Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:12:35pm |
The problem with conservatism is that Freedom and Liberty are a tough sell.
You are basically on your own. No safety net.
"Elect me, and I'll take away all that Free Stuff"
Contrast that with the Nanny State.
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:12:39pm |
re: #369 pingjockey
We're looking to stand ourselves apart on fiscal matters. I think my idea is where the party should look. It should appeal to fisc-cons and mavericks alike. :p
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Mich-again Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:12:42pm |
re: #352 UberInfidel67
I thinnk I am gonna start asking that question. I really am when i hear someone bitching about the "apartheid wall".
Mr. Olmert, tear down this wall!
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:12:55pm |
re: #354 Sharmuta
Yes- and many of us are waiting to see if they'll grab this opportunity.
yes, we are indeed. and they better get busy.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:13:13pm |
re: #361 Dr. Shalit
Cato -
Seems as if we will respectfully disagree. Looking back at the late 18th Century Unpleasantness/Anglo Civil War, I could see myself as a "Moderate Tory" - wishing reconciliation with Parliamentary Representation. History went otherwise. hat is why we have TWO Nations in what was British North America, The USA - AND - CANADA. Brother/Sister nations with different relations to "Mother."
-S-
My respect is there for you.
On the other hand, if we had gone the way of Canada, we would now have "human rights commissions" criminalizing free speech, just as in the mother country.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:13:14pm |
re: #367 UberInfidel67
Charles? I have never encountered this problem before...but, when I hit reply or try to ding, I get redirected to the front page. Maybe it is some fancy schmancy high society Mac thing you got going on (I use IE7)? lol Just kidding about that last part though. lol
That's happened repeatedly to me on this thread tonight, despite my reloading repeatedly. I rebooted and cleared my cache. I'll see if it happens again.
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:13:59pm |
re: #362 Killer Tomato
You try to teach them and they'll say, "Rich folk been keepin' us down tooooooo long. It's the peoples turn now!"
And when they can't afford gas or new iPods or cel phones or flat-screens cause the economy has collapsed under "0"s ripoff, they'll scream, "That MO-FO Bush! It's all his fault."
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:14:01pm |
re: #368 Cato the Elder
Oh, and for the record, I'm still upset by Watergate. Nixon didn't have to break the law and ignore the constitutional rights of citizens (in ways far worse than anything Bush was ever accused of) to win that election. A paranoid lawbreaker in the White House? In my name? No thanks.
To minimize it is to despise the truth.
I hope we don't have another in there now.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:14:05pm |
re: #376 Sharmuta
We're looking to stand ourselves apart on fiscal matters. I think my idea is where the party should look. It should appeal to fisc-cons and mavericks alike. :p
The term "maverick" should be grabbed off the street, tossed in a van with no windows, bound with cord and duct tape, and thrown over the White House fence like a ragged pack of undeserved medals.
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Mich-again Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:14:17pm |
re: #374 rawmuse
The problem with conservatism is that Freedom and Liberty are a tough sell.
You are basically on your own. No safety net.
"Elect me, and I'll take away all that Free Stuff"
Contrast that with the Nanny State.
Do you want to be a wolf or a dog in someone's backyard.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:14:40pm |
re: #367 UberInfidel67
Charles? I have never encountered this problem before...but, when I hit reply or try to ding, I get redirected to the front page. Maybe it is some fancy schmancy high society Mac thing you got going on (I use IE7)? lol Just kidding about that last part though. lol
Just hit me too. LGF has been acting twitchy all day for me, and thats on 2 different PCs thru 2 different ISPs
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:14:42pm |
re: #380 MandyManners
That's happened repeatedly to me on this thread tonight, despite my reloading repeatedly. I rebooted and cleared my cache. I'll see if it happens again.
Test.
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:14:55pm |
re: #385 OldLineTexan
Yeah- sorry. I had to be a smart ass.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:15:00pm |
Reloading seems to have worked. (I still think it is a conspiracy against Windows. DON'T tell Charles though)
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:15:33pm |
re: #379 Cato the Elder
My respect is there for you.
On the other hand, if we had gone the way of Canada, we would now have "human rights commissions" criminalizing free speech, just as in the mother country.
Now that the advice from the NYT and Helen Thomas is to remove the word "terrorist" from our Middle Eastern vocabulary, perhaps that is something we can anticipate experiencing.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:15:40pm |
re: #380 MandyManners
That's happened repeatedly to me on this thread tonight, despite my reloading repeatedly. I rebooted and cleared my cache. I'll see if it happens again.
It's not happened again.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:15:47pm |
re: #368 Cato the Elder
Oh, and for the record, I'm still upset by Watergate. Nixon didn't have to break the law and ignore the constitutional rights of citizens (in ways far worse than anything Bush was ever accused of) to win that election. A paranoid lawbreaker in the White House? In my name? No thanks.
To minimize it is to despise the truth.
Cato -
RMN was an "almost" genius. He screwed up, TOO BIG, and was gone. With a little more luck, RMN would have been the "King of Frozen Orange Juice" and Probably Never President.
-S-
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:15:50pm |
re: #387 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
dang. That's weird.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:16:19pm |
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:16:29pm |
re: #365 Killgore Trout
The problem is that the conservatives aren't really offering an appealing alternative. Although they seem to be trying to go for the youth vote from what I saw of the speeches they are a bunch of stale old men. Idiots like Coulter, Buchanan and Jindal just drive away young/educated voters. They are in serious trouble.
I think what people are looking for is someone that speaks to their hearts in a poetic fashion. Previously I was negative about nostalgia but if we think back upon Reagan once again we would see that there was a sort of poetry in the way that he spoke and painted pictures in his words. What needs to happen is that when that one person comes around again the room will grow quiet. People will react with what one would call a "rush" and some would be drawn to tears.
I have not heard anyone speak like that in years. Perhaps it is because of my state of health or my cynical nature has solidified. However, up to this time no one that has spoken has moved me.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:16:47pm |
re: #392 OldLineTexan
Then we can experience "random unexplained kinetic events."
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:17:02pm |
re: #383 IslandLibertarian
You try to teach them and they'll say, "Rich folk been keepin' us down tooooooo long. It's the peoples turn now!"
And when they can't afford gas or new iPods or cel phones or flat-screens cause the economy has collapsed under "0"s ripoff, they'll scream, "That MO-FO Bush! It's all his fault."
Just as the poor will always be with us, so will the stupid. Unfortunately, some people will never get it.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:17:04pm |
re: #379 Cato the Elder
My respect is there for you.
On the other hand, if we had gone the way of Canada, we would now have "human rights commissions" criminalizing free speech, just as in the mother country.
Cato -
SEE: Mark Steyn. That is all.
-S-
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:17:30pm |
re: #230 Charles
"Conservatism is not dead."
Now there's a ringing slogan.
Heh. Reminds me of that old slogan "Punk's not dead!"
Saw that scrawled on a bathroom wall once.
Scrawled beneath it, "It just smells that way."
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:18:07pm |
re: #390 Sharmuta
Yeah- sorry. I had to be a smart ass.
Just a comment. You and I still share the freedom of speech off the blog, and I believe Charles has yet to enforce a ban on that term.
/
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rawmuse Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:18:32pm |
The other problem with Freedom and Liberty is that the minute you don't go along with every single lame-ass, nitwit idea that the Liberals have, they call you a bigot and greedy, racist, etc. blah blah.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:18:50pm |
re: #399 jaunte
Then we can experience "random unexplained kinetic events."
Or perhaps high-velocity lead poisoning.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:19:22pm |
re: #402 Dr. Shalit
Cato -
SEE: Mark Steyn. That is all.
-S-
That's my point. The trial was in Canada.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:19:25pm |
re: #404 Cato the Elder
Cato -
"Rock Is Dead" - The Who - Sister Disco, Who's Next, 1978 - Think on That.
-S-
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rawmuse Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:19:46pm |
The minute someone puts "(fill in the blank) is not dead" on a bumper sticker, it is dead, for real.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:19:53pm |
re: #397 Ojoe
I like their site. We'll see if they catch on.
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:20:16pm |
as a side note: I know some very conservative Christian people here in CO. They really wanted to vote for Rudy. Why? because the man understands business. & Rudy knows how to clean up a city and run a government. Is he perfect? no. these religious conservatives I know did not care.
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:21:27pm |
re: #387 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just hit me too. LGF has been acting twitchy all day for me, and thats on 2 different PCs thru 2 different ISPs
I just tried to upding a comment. It kicked me out to the front page. Came back, updinged the same comment, and it was fine.
Let's see what happens when I hit "post."
Damn hamsters.
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Syrah Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:21:30pm |
re: #374 rawmuse
The problem with conservatism is that Freedom and Liberty are a tough sell.
You are basically on your own. No safety net.
"Elect me, and I'll take away all that Free Stuff"
Contrast that with the Nanny State.
re: #406 rawmuse
The other problem with Freedom and Liberty is that the minute you don't go along with every single lame-ass, nitwit idea that the Liberals have, they call you a bigot and greedy, racist, etc. blah blah.
It takes courage to want to live free.
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:21:40pm |
Yahoo news is activly promoting Obama's tax plan.
[Link: www.yahoo.com...]
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:21:41pm |
re: #404 Cato the Elder
Heh. Reminds me of that old slogan "Punk's not dead!"
Saw that scrawled on a bathroom wall once.
Scrawled beneath it, "It just smells that way."
Back when dinos roamed the Earth and I was a young and callow fellow, a bathroom epitaph in the college commons implored the reader to "VOTE FOR LESTER THE WELL-GROOMED MOLE".
Lord, I wish we had.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:22:08pm |
re: #410 rawmuse
The minute someone puts "(fill in the blank) is not dead" on a bumper sticker, it is dead, for real.
FRODO LIVES
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:22:49pm |
re: #386 Mich-again
Do you want to be a wolf or a dog in someone's backyard.
Most people would rather be the dog. They'd rather be taken care of and not have to take big risks. This includes me.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:23:00pm |
(I'm afraid to make a move unless I get kicked to the front page again) **cowering**
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:23:04pm |
re: #412 FrogMarch
I would have loved to see Rudy debate "0".
What a missed opportunity to expose the phony mess-I-uh for what he is.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:23:19pm |
re: #412 FrogMarch
as a side note: I know some very conservative Christian people here in CO. They really wanted to vote for Rudy. Why? because the man understands business. & Rudy knows how to clean up a city and run a government. Is he perfect? no. these religious conservatives I know did not care.
I am the same, except I still prefer Mitt in the top spot.
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Mich-again Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:23:34pm |
re: #418 Dark_Falcon
Most people would rather be the dog. They'd rather be taken care of and not have to take big risks. This includes me.
Then how about a hamster in a cage vs a field mouse.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:24:07pm |
re: #417 OldLineTexan
FRODO LIVES
Of course he does. He sailed to Aman and there was allowed to live till the End by the Valar.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:24:08pm |
Secretly ending welfare reform
Welfare reform in the mid-1990s was a major public policy success, leading to a dramatic reduction in welfare dependency and child poverty. Little-noted provisions in the just-passed stimulus bill will actually abolish this historic reform.
In addition, the bill will add nearly $650 billion in new means-tested welfare spending over the next decade. This new spending amounts to around $18,500 for every poor person in the U.S. The cost of the new welfare spending alone amounts to nearly $8,500 for each taxpaying family.
The welfare reform of 1996 replaced the old Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) with a new program named Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF). The key to welfare reform's reduction in dependency was the change in the funding structure of AFDC.
Under the old AFDC program, states were given more federal funds if their welfare caseloads were increased; by contrast, federal funds to a state were cut whenever the state caseload fell. This created a strong incentive for states to swell the welfare rolls. Prior to reform, 1 child in 7 was receiving AFDC benefits.
When welfare reform replaced the old AFDC system with TANF, this perverse financial incentive to increase dependence was eliminated. Each state was given a flat funding level that did not vary whether the state increased or decreased its caseload. In addition, states were given the goal of reducing welfare dependence (or at least of requiring welfare recipients to prepare for employment).
The stimulus bill will overturn the fiscal foundation of welfare reform and restore an AFDC-style funding system. For the first time since 1996, the federal government will begin paying states bonuses to increase their welfare caseloads.
Is there any aspect of the productive American economy and society that Obama hasn't started to tear down yet?
/oh wait, he hasn't started appointing Federal judges yet
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:24:27pm |
re: #418 Dark_Falcon
Most people would rather be the dog. They'd rather be taken care of and not have to take big risks. This includes me.
I'm more like an Alaskan sled dog.
I kinda look like a wolf, and I could tussle with one for a few minutes, but I show up every day to be hitched to the damned sled.
/
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:24:27pm |
re: #408 Cato the Elder
That's my point. The trial was in Canada.
Cato -
As was that of Ezra Levant, I was a subscriber to the Western Standard. PM Harper or not, CANADA, bottom line, is still NOT as free to speech as the US, close but No Cigar - THAT in itself is a SHAME. Our Canadian siblings DESERVE Better.
-S-
| 427 |
UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:24:53pm |
Ya know? Cats have the perfect nickname. There is a stinkbug wandering across the floor and they just look at it. WTF? EAT IT!
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Mich-again Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:24:59pm |
re: #424 Killian Bundy
For the first time since 1996, the federal government will begin paying states bonuses to increase their welfare caseloads.
You always get more of whatever you subsidize.
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:25:26pm |
re: #415 FrogMarch
Yahoo news is activly promoting Obama's tax plan.
[Link: www.yahoo.com...]
under : "Fact Check: GOP adrift on small business claim about taxes. "
AP writer, of course.
never mind that...“Barack Obama’s plans to hyper-inflate the government bubble while he taxes the rich at confiscatory levels, is so certain to collapse the economy that I can only conclude that he is a brilliant Rovian plant whose purpose is to finally drive a stake into the heart of the era of big government.”
| 430 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:25:47pm |
re: #422 Mich-again
Then how about a hamster in a cage vs a field mouse.
Same basic choice, but a sharper contrast. I'd probably rather be a field mouse. Caged rodent is too boring.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:25:53pm |
re: #423 Dark_Falcon
Of course he does. He sailed to Aman and there was allowed to live till the End by the Valar.
WE BUY OLD GOLD 1-800-RINGWRAITH
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Mich-again Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:26:18pm |
re: #430 Dark_Falcon
Same basic choice, but a sharper contrast. I'd probably rather be a field mouse. Caged rodent is too boring.
Shhh. They might hear you.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:26:25pm |
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:27:16pm |
re: #420 IslandLibertarian
I would have loved to see Rudy debate "0".
What a missed opportunity to expose the phony mess-I-uh for what he is.
...indeed. Take away Obama's teleprompter - and he's a big fat zero.
Rudy would have cleaned.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:27:43pm |
Well, Nytol!
Have to shift my waking time radically in the next two days, so I'm hitting the lights early.
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snowcrash Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:27:49pm |
Michael Steele is guest on Greta on FOX. Up next.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:27:53pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:28:22pm |
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:28:55pm |
Truly the end is near. TV ad just now: healthcare reform will help businesses be competitive and prosperous. Paid for by SEIU, the AMA, and a half dozen other special interests.
When the AMA and SEIU are in bed together, we are well and truly scrod.
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:29:10pm |
re: #432 Iron Fist
The Republicans are afraid to get down in the muck and fight and that is the reason that they aren't winning elections.
And this is what's driving me nuts. THEY'RE STEALING OUR COUNTRY! I expect SOMEONE in that party to GET MAD! They act like it's debate club. I said upthread, they're always showing up with a butter knife.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:29:50pm |
re: #440 Jim in Virginia
Truly the end is near. TV ad just now: healthcare reform will help businesses be competitive and prosperous. Paid for by SEIU, the AMA, and a half dozen other special interests.
When the AMA and SEIU are in bed together, we are well and truly scrod.
I demand a phone call tomorrow morning, and perhaps some flowers. Something small, but tasteful.
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VioletTiger Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:32:30pm |
re: #441 Killer Tomato
And this is what's driving me nuts. THEY'RE STEALING OUR COUNTRY! I expect SOMEONE in that party to GET MAD! They act like it's debate club. I said upthread, they're always showing up with a butter knife.
Conservative leaders need to grow a pair, and quickly.
| 446 |
Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:32:54pm |
re: #443 OldLineTexan
I demand a phone call tomorrow morning, and perhaps some flowers. Something small, but tasteful.
Bubba, you aint even gonna get chocolate.
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axegrinder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:33:05pm |
re: #425 OldLineTexan
I'm more like an Alaskan sled dog.
I kinda look like a wolf, and I could tussle with one for a few minutes, but I show up every day to be hitched to the damned sled.
/
I really like being scratched behind the ear.
| 449 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:33:26pm |
re: #441 Killer Tomato
There's a real lack of passion in their demeanor, and it doesn't match the urgency of their words, or the actual political situation.
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:34:03pm |
re: #414 Syrah
It takes courage to want to live free.
It requires some amount of personal responsibility to maintain it, and sadly some people view that as hard work.
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:34:40pm |
Oh hell, my karma passed 600! Maybe I am not as whacked out as my family and friends think? At least you guys agree with me sometimes. Or maybe we ALL are whacked out? **twilight zone theme**
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:35:23pm |
re: #442 Iron Fist
What would you consider Clinton to have been? An unparanoid lawbreaker? Maybe, but hillary had enough paranoid delusions for both of them in her "Vast Right-wing Conspiracy", well, Conspiraccy theory.
Where did I say they weren't?
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Mich-again Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:35:59pm |
re: #442 Iron Fist
but hillary had enough paranoid delusions for both of them
The woman rummaged through Vince Foster's office before the police got there. Creepy.
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rawmuse Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:36:01pm |
re: #445 VioletTiger
Conservative leaders need to grow a pair, and quickly.
The minute we do, we get called names. Bad names!
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UberInfidel67 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:36:27pm |
Time to chill. Nite my friends. Sleep well and be safe. Peace : )
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Aviator Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:36:53pm |
re: #440 Jim in Virginia
Truly the end is near. TV ad just now: healthcare reform will help businesses be competitive and prosperous. Paid for by SEIU, the AMA, and a half dozen other special interests.
When the AMA and SEIU are in bed together, we are well and truly scrod.
The AMA was long ago taken over by leftists. Few physicians feel the AMA represents them.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:37:25pm |
re: #440 Jim in Virginia
Truly the end is near. TV ad just now: healthcare reform will help businesses be competitive and prosperous. Paid for by SEIU, the AMA, and a half dozen other special interests.
When the AMA and SEIU are in bed together, we are well and truly scrod.
Jim -
NOT TOTALLY INCORRECT. Socialized Medicine WILL make us more "Competitive" with other Industrialized Nations. It will ALSO Ration Medicine in a way that the US is NOT accustomed to - AND - will FREEZE the level of Medicine at Today's Level - not too bad actually. One thing that I know is that - NO PROFIT = NO PROGRESS.
-S-
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axegrinder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:37:58pm |
re: #455 Mich-again
The woman rummaged through Vince Foster's office before the police got there. Creepy.
Had to get back the love-letters.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:38:12pm |
re: #447 axegrinder
I really like being scratched behind the ear.
Don't look at me. When your hind leg gets going, it's a little freaky.
/
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OldRiverGuy Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:40:05pm |
OT: Senator DeMint added an amendment to Bill S.160 ( adds representatives for the District of Columbia and Utah) to prevent the return of the fairness doctrine. Dicky Durban counters with an amendment
that requires "diversity in ownership of radio stations". Both amendments are passed. Censorship of talk radio is coming now rather than later. Links provided for those interested.
| 464 |
Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:40:52pm |
re: #456 rawmuse
The minute we do, we get called names. Bad names!
I wonder how much time the Sons of Liberty devoted to worrying about being called names.
Some people need to grow spines. THIS IS OUR COUNTRY WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FIGHTING FOR!
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:41:25pm |
re: #462 Iron Fist
In the context it was spoken in, it seemed that you were glossing over that fact. It needed to be pointed out.
From looking at what CBBHO is doing to this nation, I feel a strange fondness for the Clintons.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:41:26pm |
re: #461 OldLineTexan
Don't look at me. When your hind leg gets going, it's a little freaky.
/
OLT -
MELECH - the Wonder Shepherd TOTALLY Agrees. His Leg is scratching and Tail s wagging.
-S-
| 467 |
Mich-again Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:42:27pm |
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Syrah Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:42:52pm |
re: #451 Sharmuta
It requires some amount of personal responsibility to maintain it, and sadly some people view that as hard work.
Laziness is a problem.
The willingness to take responsibility is, I think, key.
You can hear it in the way that people talk about things
"My car hit the telephone poll" Versus "I hit the telephone poll with my car."
A crude example. But I think it illustrates the point.
Just listening to people talk to each other can be disconcerting. The efforts that people take to avoid responsibility are staggering. Only people who can accept responsibility for their actions and choices are capable of being free. Those others are, as they prove by the language they use, incapable of choosing. They are just along for the ride.
| 469 |
Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:43:05pm |
I'm not optimistic about much right now but I am pretty positive that Obama's popularity peaked on January 20.
It took Americans a couple years to get really ticked off at Carter. Obama has had a month and one big victory. He ought to be on a wave, but the Dems are upset that he plans to leave 50,000 troops in Iraq, and Chrissy Matthews has lost his tingle. The House budget bill that just passed is a mess with 8000 earmarks, and Pelosi had to delay the mortgage relief bill today for unspecified problems.
Bambi's fall will be fast. Trouble is, Pelosi and Reid are clueless too. So no one is in charge until at least January 2011. That assumes the Republicans can get their act together.
I miss Ronad Reagan.
| 470 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:44:08pm |
re: #467 Mich-again
Obama's plan has a schedule for the progress.
Mich-Again -
0=0. That is all.
-S-
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notutopia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:44:46pm |
re: #379 Cato the Elder
My respect is there for you.
On the other hand, if we had gone the way of Canada, we would now have "human rights commissions" criminalizing free speech, just as in the mother country.
Cato, Take a gander at this vid.
UN Blasphemy Resolution
| 473 |
Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:45:03pm |
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rawmuse Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:45:55pm |
The way I see it, the American people voted to put their necks in the stocks, they actually worked their asses off and raised great sums of money to do it, so I say, let the chains of servitude to the Almighty State hang heavy around their worthy necks for a few years. They wanted Serfdom, let them eat all they want. For the rest of us who never wanted it, good luck, we will need it, because we are the new insurgents and the power of the State will be focused upon us, and policy differences will now be criminalized. We will not be broken in one fell motion, but piecemeal.
As for the young people who voted Obama in, shut and pay. Pay and pay some more. Pay until it hurts. Pay up, suckers. You wanted it. You wanted all of it. Work for the Man, all your life.
This is the only way Freedom and Liberty are going to be appreciated ever again. If ever.
Sorry to be a bummer. I really have no reason for optimism, and less with each passing day.
Goodnight, Lizards.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:46:25pm |
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:46:48pm |
re: #473 Jim in Virginia
Dammit, you're WINNING!
Karma whoring is undignified and repulsive to the casual observer.
I know, because I do it all the time.
/
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:46:48pm |
re: #471 Iron Fist
Iron Fist -
AND - doesn't it Scare the H-ll out of you that HILLARY RODHAM is seen as a "Voice of Moderation?"
-S-
| 479 |
Mich-again Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:47:16pm |
re: #471 Iron Fist
But the Clintons are like the undead in a campy horror flick. Everytime you turn around it seems like they are there.
Bride at every wedding, corpse at every funeral. They suck all the air out of the room.
| 481 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:47:54pm |
re: #474 rawmuse
Someone like that will be called a terrorist by Helen Thomas and The Slack Man.
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:48:12pm |
re: #465 MandyManners
From looking at what CBBHO is doing to this nation, I feel a strange fondness for the Clintons.
Yeah. I'd rather have Hillary as Pres. Creepy isn't it?
| 484 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:48:38pm |
re: #472 notutopia
Criminalizing our Constitution. Damn the UN.
| 485 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:48:46pm |
re: #468 Syrah
People want the freedom but not the consequences and accountability that come with that freedom.
| 486 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:49:54pm |
Well, I saw this and had to log back in.
Heads up, people: Bishop Williamson apologizes.
Well, not really.
"I can truthfully say that I regret having made such remarks, and that if I had known beforehand the full harm and hurt to which they would give rise, especially to the Church, but also to survivors and relatives of victims of injustice under the Third Reich, I would not have made them," Williamson said, according to the website of Zenit, a Catholic news agency.
[...]
"To all souls that took honest scandal from what I said, before God I apologise," he said.
He did not say in his apology whether he had changed his views.
Pope Benny demanded a recantation. This, in my view, does not even come close. It's more of the same "I'm sorry if you were offended" dodge.
If the Pope accepts this, I will truly take scandal.
| 487 |
Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:50:08pm |
Finally, the economic recovery package provides critical assistance to states facing significant budget shortfalls. Most states cannot run deficits or simply borrow or tax their way out of this recession;
From the email I received yesterday from my new Senator in response to the email I sent before the 'stimulus' bill was voted on.
Critical assistance to states... borrow or tax their way out of this recession...
Where does she think this money is coming from, the freakin tooth fairy?
| 488 |
FrogMarch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:50:39pm |
| 489 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:51:36pm |
re: #486 Cato the Elder
Did you see this 3d editorial cartoon about Williamson?
[Link: www.spiegel.de...]
| 490 |
Mich-again Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:51:37pm |
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VioletTiger Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:51:41pm |
re: #456 rawmuse
The minute we do, we get called names. Bad names!
Better bad names than what awaits us now.
What I can't understand is why we're only hearing republicans whine about a few pork projects and not all of the other ominous things hanging over our heads. Jindal spoke about volcanoes, now Steele is talking about stinky pigs. We need something more hard-hitting. People don't seem to be getting the fact that all of these taxes will smoother the economy before it can revive and the universal health care will mean less choice and less care. We need people to wake up and nobody is ringing the alarms loud enough.
| 492 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:51:59pm |
re: #482 Jim in Virginia
Yeah. I'd rather have Hillary as Pres. Creepy isn't it?
I don't think she hates America.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:52:46pm |
re: #474 rawmuse
rawmuse -
Without me, In Fact with ME on the "Dark Side" - President James L. Carter, III was Humbled. This gives me HOPE. Pres. Obama can Keep the Change. That is all, for now.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:52:47pm |
re: #483 Iron Fist
Obama is merely continuing the Clinton Legacy. Clinton never took terrorism seriously, nor did he have the slightest shred of concern about the safety of America, or the lives of the service men and women given to protect America.
If anything, Obama doesn't want to give the appearance that he despises the military and all it stands for. Clinton, on the other hand, seemingly relished in driving home the point that he loathed the military.
I believe he hates America and wants to bring us to our knees.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:53:17pm |
re: #492 MandyManners
I don't think she hates America.
Just Bill and that damned cat.
One down, one to go.
/
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brookly red Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:53:20pm |
re: #484 jaunte
Criminalizing our Constitution. Damn the UN.
Please post that again... as a New Yorker I can't hear Damn the UN enough.
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Syrah Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:53:39pm |
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:53:49pm |
re: #493 Dr. Shalit
rawmuse -
Without me, In Fact with ME on the "Dark Side" - President James L. Carter, III was Humbled. This gives me HOPE. Pres. Obama can Keep the Change. That is all, for now.
-S-
No L. It was an E. For Earl.
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:54:03pm |
re: #474 rawmuse
I told people before this election, "vote for that man and you are selling yourselves, your children and your grandchildren into slavery". And they looked at me as if I were nuts.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:54:48pm |
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:55:13pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:57:04pm |
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Mich-again Thu, Feb 26, 2009 7:58:24pm |
re: #494 MandyManners
I believe he hates America and wants to bring us to our knees.
I wouldn't go that far. I think he means to do well. But he doesn't have the training for the job. Radicalism is all about blowing up the bus, not driving it.
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Mich-again Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:01:58pm |
re: #505 Iron Fist
I've heard that song a lot on the radio here but I didn't know Niki Sixx was in the band. Ha.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:02:51pm |
re: #502 Iron Fist
Iron Fist -
The love that Signore Mussolini DID HAVE for Italy is the subject of quite a few "Inside Baseball" jokes here in NJ. Unfortunately Signore Benito Mussolini guessed wrong during WWII. Sr. Franco did NOT. They were BOTH reprobates politically. Franco pulled his punches and SURVIVED.
-S-
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:04:02pm |
re: #472 notutopia
Cato, Take a gander at this vid.
UN Blasphemy Resolution
Hadn't seen that one. Of course I've been following the progress of this "resolution" in the UN very closely.
My answer if they do pass it: Immediately relocate UN headquarters from Turtle Bay to Riyadh. Let the Christians, Buddhists and Hindus who vote for this find out what religious freedom is like there, and what counts as "blasphemy" under Islam.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:06:07pm |
re: #486 Cato the Elder
Well, I saw this and had to log back in.
Heads up, people: Bishop Williamson apologizes.
Well, not really.
Pope Benny demanded a recantation. This, in my view, does not even come close. It's more of the same "I'm sorry if you were offended" dodge.
If the Pope accepts this, I will truly take scandal.
Nope, not a recantation at all.
More of the same-old same-old, just trying to put it in different words.
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VioletTiger Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:06:41pm |
re: #495 OldLineTexan
Just Bill and that damned cat.
One down, one to go.
/
Hey, that cat was my favorite Clinton!
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Scion9 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:07:42pm |
re: #502 Iron Fist
Mussolini was faking it anyway. Read his stuff from when he started his career and right up until the point he became a Fascist. He struck out with the Italian Communists, so he switched to a new song and dance. Patriotism got votes and power, while lofty trans-nationalist Utopianism did not.
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stevieray Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:08:13pm |
re: #327 Cato the Elder
Could it not be that Jefferson was consciously riffing on Locke? Why would he not be at liberty (pesky word) to substitute a different right in the third place? And is the "pursuit of happiness" something insidious in your eyes?
Be that as it may, your note does nothing to prove your original assertion, viz. that "pursuit of happiness" was an eighteenth-century politically correct euphemism for "property", and somehow implies that property was considered unsavory. I still find that to be nonsense.
Late to the thread -- was off watching "Alien"... the original is a classic gothic horror, set in space.
My understanding is Jefferson was consciously quoting Locke -- but ran into a problem. He wanted to use the phrase "life, liberty, property...", but wanted it made clear that people weren't to be considered property even though some were at the time. When he couldn't get that agreement from some of the other delegates, the phrase was changed to "life, liberty, pursuit of happiness..."
In short, the use of the word "property" would have entrenched slavery, and Jefferson (and some others) didn't want to do that.
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Sosigado Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:08:39pm |
OT public service announcement:
I received my Kindle 2 this morning. The USPS surprised the heck out of me.
I don't wish to step on Charles' toes by giving a mini-review, since I believe
he stated that he would comment on it when he got his.
I'll just say this - it is one friggin' incredible little piece of technology. If you
love to read (as do I) and you can possibly squeeze this baby into your
budget, I urge you to run, not walk to Amazon and get one. You will not
be disappointed!
That is all.
Sosigado
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pink freud Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:09:39pm |
In looking over the stimulus funds disbursement link posted last night, I find under the tab "most expensive" the number one item -- at 17.5 billion -- an energy project in Puerto Rico, and at number 14 another energy project for Peurto Rico in the amount of 1/2 billion. Both in Cidra, Peurto Rico.
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SteveC Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:10:08pm |
re: #511 VioletTiger
Hey, that cat was my favorite Clinton!
Your favorite Clinton was the cat, not Hillary. F'n cat got to go! Bye, cat!
*Hillary cackles at Bill* I'll get you, my pretty...
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:10:08pm |
re: #514 Sosigado
OT public service announcement:
I received my Kindle 2 this morning. The USPS surprised the heck out of me.
I don't wish to step on Charles' toes by giving a mini-review, since I believe
he stated that he would comment on it when he got his.I'll just say this - it is one friggin' incredible little piece of technology. If you
love to read (as do I) and you can possibly squeeze this baby into your
budget, I urge you to run, not walk to Amazon and get one. You will not
be disappointed!That is all.
Sosigado
I got mine yesterday, have been playing with it since then.
It is, as you say, a friggin' incredible piece of technology.
There are books that are "upcoming" soon, and if they aren't available for pre-order on Kindle, I'm clicking the "tell the publisher" button.
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Sosigado Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:11:58pm |
re: #517 reine.de.tout
I also ordered a really nice leather binding and a clip-on LED
reading lamp for it. They are must-have little add-ons, IMO.
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pink freud Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:12:59pm |
re: #515 pink freud
In looking over the stimulus funds disbursement link posted last night, I find under the tab "most expensive" the number one item -- at 17.5 billion -- an energy project in Puerto Rico, and at number 14 another energy project for Puerto Rico in the amount of 1/2 billion. Both in Cidra, Puerto Rico.
1628 and 14 job created, respectively. 14 jobs at a cost of 1/2 billion?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:13:16pm |
re: #518 Sosigado
I also ordered a really nice leather binding and a clip-on LED
reading lamp for it. They are must-have little add-ons, IMO.
I ordered those too, LOL. But the leather case won't be sent 'til March.
| 522 |
Sosigado Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:14:29pm |
re: #521 reine.de.tout
Did you order the one made for it by Amazon, or another one?
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:14:44pm |
re: #515 pink freud
In looking over the stimulus funds disbursement link posted last night, I find under the tab "most expensive" the number one item -- at 17.5 billion -- an energy project in Puerto Rico, and at number 14 another energy project for Peurto Rico in the amount of 1/2 billion. Both in Cidra, Peurto Rico.
Don't worry - Obmam is going to tax the rich (read: those evil people who provide jobs) to pay for his goodies.
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:15:02pm |
re: #515 pink freud
In looking over the stimulus funds disbursement link posted last night, I find under the tab "most expensive" the number one item -- at 17.5 billion -- an energy project in Puerto Rico, and at number 14 another energy project for Peurto Rico in the amount of 1/2 billion. Both in Cidra, Peurto Rico.
That makes up for NH.
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CapeCoddah Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:15:41pm |
Hey All, since everyone is on the edge of their seats about the Tom Brady / Gisele Bundchen will they or won't they get hitched... They did. Such a relief, now they can SHUT THE HELL UP about it.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]
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Macker Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:16:42pm |
re: #515 pink freud
Oh that's easy, After Congress gets done with giving DC 1 rep & 2 senators, they'll allow Puerto Rico to join. That's 51 and 52...
53 Guam, 54 American Samoa...
Now what about the other three?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:17:11pm |
re: #513 stevieray
Late to the thread -- was off watching "Alien"... the original is a classic gothic horror, set in space.
My understanding is Jefferson was consciously quoting Locke -- but ran into a problem. He wanted to use the phrase "life, liberty, property...", but wanted it made clear that people weren't to be considered property even though some were at the time. When he couldn't get that agreement from some of the other delegates, the phrase was changed to "life, liberty, pursuit of happiness..."
In short, the use of the word "property" would have entrenched slavery, and Jefferson (and some others) didn't want to do that.
That is interesting indeed. But how does it square with Jefferson's own slave holding?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:20:24pm |
re: #486 Cato the Elder
Well, I saw this and had to log back in.
Heads up, people: Bishop Williamson apologizes.
Well, not really.
Pope Benny demanded a recantation. This, in my view, does not even come close. It's more of the same "I'm sorry if you were offended" dodge.
If the Pope accepts this, I will truly take scandal.
Just an afterthought: If Williamson nominally switched from anti-Semitism to anti-Jihad, would he be Pamz and Robertz new friend?
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JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:20:40pm |
re: #523 FrogMarch
Don't worry - Obmam is going to tax the rich (read: those evil people who provide jobs) to pay for his goodies.
Talked to my buddy this morning. He grew up middle class in Jersey, got into a good college on a swimming scholarship, and created his own business in specialty medical construction, employing several guys. He will soon be paying out 75% of every dollar his business earns in taxes. He is utterly despondent.
This is one of the good guys, one of the success stories, and Obama will destroy him.
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Scion9 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:20:46pm |
re: #515 pink freud
My state has a project for advising people on how to reduce their carbon footprints. Apparently these advisers are going to be making 100k/year. I'm familiar with how the NGOs 'advise' people, which mostly involves talking to the equivalent of a help desk technician that is following the recommendations of a piece of troubleshooting software. I'm skeptical that those NGO workers make anywhere even near six figures.
| 536 |
pink freud Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:20:54pm |
18 billion BILLION dollars to a city of 38,000 ...
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avanti Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:21:17pm |
re: #515 pink freud
In looking over the stimulus funds disbursement link posted last night, I find under the tab "most expensive" the number one item -- at 17.5 billion -- an energy project in Puerto Rico, and at number 14 another energy project for Peurto Rico in the amount of 1/2 billion. Both in Cidra, Peurto Rico.
You do not that link has nothing directly to do with the stimulus bill ? It's a wish list from the cities on shovel ready projects they want considered, not projects funded.
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SteveC Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:21:58pm |
Anyone see the ABC News interview with Laura Bush? She was talking about getting back to normal life, how GWB was always on the computer and renewing e-mail friendships, how she drove to the store, etc. There's very little furniture in their new place yet... she held a dinner party and they had to borrow chairs from the Secret Service. She came back from the store and George was cruising around the neighborhood on his bike, meeting the neighbors... just normal stuff.
Now reread that paragraph and substitute "Michelle" and "Barack" at the proper places. Can't do it and keep a straight face, can ya?
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Syrah Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:22:06pm |
re: #533 JohnAdams
Talked to my buddy this morning. He grew up middle class in Jersey, got into a good college on a swimming scholarship, and created his own business in specialty medical construction, employing several guys. He will soon be paying out 75% of every dollar his business earns in taxes. He is utterly despondent.
This is one of the good guys, one of the success stories, and Obama will destroy him.
At that tax rate, he should go on strike.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:22:36pm |
re: #520 pink freud
I should think that all those numbers, both the cost and the jobs, are actually guesses as well.
Real world experience with construction projects speaking here.
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:23:31pm |
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:23:56pm |
re: #533 JohnAdams
This Obama guy, he is fanning class conflict.
I really do not like what I see happening in my country.
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:24:01pm |
re: #533 JohnAdams
Talked to my buddy this morning. He grew up middle class in Jersey, got into a good college on a swimming scholarship, and created his own business in specialty medical construction, employing several guys. He will soon be paying out 75% of every dollar his business earns in taxes. He is utterly despondent.
This is one of the good guys, one of the success stories, and Obama will destroy him.
According to Obama - success must be confiscated and given to someone who has a hand out.
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Tarkloon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:24:27pm |
re: #541 Gus 802
Yep he's a dominionist, and a big force behind a lot of the bile we've seen within the party the past few years.
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JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:24:30pm |
re: #534 Scion9
The equivalent of blood-letting for an anemic patient. I no longer believe this is stupidity. This is part of the destruction which, once achieved, leads to the revolution they seek.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:24:55pm |
re: #512 Scion9
Mussolini was faking it anyway. Read his stuff from when he started his career and right up until the point he became a Fascist. He struck out with the Italian Communists, so he switched to a new song and dance. Patriotism got votes and power, while lofty trans-nationalist Utopianism did not.
Scion9 -
Quite so. Mussolini, Like Hitler BEHIND HIM, were Socialists to the Core, in a younger day. With age came the wisdom that people WOULD fight for their NATION, be it Italy or Germany. They would NOT fight for "Socialism" - a concept TOO "ABSTRUSE" for average Citizens. Shows me one thing - The Nation - as a concept - is Powerful, go from there...
-S-
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pink freud Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:25:27pm |
re: #537 avanti
You do not that link has nothing directly to do with the stimulus bill ? It's a wish list from the cities on shovel ready projects they want considered, not projects funded.
Right, for entertainment purposes only. Got it.
| 548 |
Scion9 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:25:43pm |
re: #529 Cato the Elder
That is interesting indeed. But how does it square with Jefferson's own slave holding?
Possibly preempting criticism of a right to 'property' being touted by a slaveholder; which if that is the case it didn't work at all.
It is pretty common knowledge that Jefferson didn't feel that slavery was moral though, and wanted it to be outlawed.
| 549 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:26:31pm |
re: #544 Tarkloon
Yep he's a dominionist, and a big force behind a lot of the bile we've seen within the party the past few years.
Holy smokes. When you mentioned him I looked him up and read through Wiki.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:26:49pm |
re: #533 JohnAdams
Talked to my buddy this morning. He grew up middle class in Jersey, got into a good college on a swimming scholarship, and created his own business in specialty medical construction, employing several guys. He will soon be paying out 75% of every dollar his business earns in taxes. He is utterly despondent.
This is one of the good guys, one of the success stories, and Obama will destroy him.
According to Obama/Reid/pelosi - he must be punished. Why stop at 75% - why not just take it all - on our road to serfdom. Providing jobs is a what the government now does. Government union jobs. Obama hates what he doesn't understand - he hates the private sector.
| 551 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:27:08pm |
re: #545 JohnAdams
The equivalent of blood-letting for an anemic patient. I no longer believe this is stupidity. This is part of the destruction which, once achieved, leads to the revolution they seek.
You actually thought that CBBHO didn't know what he was doing? That his history didn't tell you what he would do once he gained the ultimate office?
| 552 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:27:11pm |
| 553 |
Tarkloon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:27:16pm |
re: #549 Gus 802
Holy smokes. When you mentioned him I looked him up and read through Wiki.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
There are a lot of dots to connect there, including many to Serbian Nationalism.
| 554 |
SteveC Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:27:22pm |
re: #545 JohnAdams
The equivalent of blood-letting for an anemic patient. I no longer believe this is stupidity. This is part of the destruction which, once achieved, leads to the revolution they seek.
If your friend is paying that much in taxes, he'll certainly go out of business. No taxes for the Obamatrons.
We'll go down like the Hindenburg.
| 555 |
JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:27:40pm |
re: #550 FrogMarch
According to Obama/Reid/pelosi - he must be punished. Why stop at 75% - why not just take it all - on our road to serfdom. Providing jobs is a what the government now does. Government union jobs. Obama hates what he doesn't understand - he hates the private sector.
He never had an actual job.
| 557 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:28:50pm |
re: #553 Tarkloon
There are a lot of dots to connect there, including many to Serbian Nationalism.
Not unlike the ones connecting to Robert Spencer? Perhaps more so in the case of Weyrich. Well, I guess the GOP wants to commit suicide in their final hours.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:29:20pm |
re: #526 Dan G.
Dan G.
IF, LGF is NOT Kindle Friendly, Pray Tell - who, what, where IS Kindle Friendly? For the record, I am Kindle Neutral, Kindle should be the iPod of Books. It IS NOT, at least Not Yet.
-S-
| 559 |
Tarkloon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:29:38pm |
Here's a section from the FCF page:
Perhaps because of Weyrich's switch from Latin Rite to the Melkite Rite, which is in full communion with Rome although there are some differences in its liturgy and traditions from the Latin Rite best known in the US, FCF has been friendlier to post-communist Serbia and Russia than most contemporary conservatives. It was against US intervention in the Balkans, leaning more toward the Orthodox Christian Serbs than the Muslim Bosnians and Albanians.
While arguably hostile to Islam, particularly to Muslim immigration to the West, and tolerant of racial and religious profiling in anti-terrorist efforts, FCF has been oppossed to the worldwide War on Terror, and particularly the Iraq War, than other conservatives.
| 560 |
SteveC Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:29:57pm |
re: #555 JohnAdams
He never had an actual job.
Takes a lot of sweat and elbow grease to get that community organized! (Trouble is, it was someone else's....)
| 561 |
lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:30:00pm |
re: #550 FrogMarch
According to Obama/Reid/pelosi - he must be punished. Why stop at 75% - why not just take it all - on our road to serfdom. Providing jobs is a what the government now does. Government union jobs. Obama hates what he doesn't understand - he hates the private sector.
Did you see the piece in the WSJ today that basically said that if they raised the tax rate to 100% on everything over $75,000, the amount of revenue the government would take in would just barely cover Obama's budget?
Obama doesn't just hate the private sector. He's trying to eliminate it.
| 562 |
Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:30:04pm |
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JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:30:36pm |
re: #551 MandyManners
You actually thought that CBBHO didn't know what he was doing? That his history didn't tell you what he would do once he gained the ultimate office?
Somebody today posted a linky to an American Spectator piece that fully connected the dots from the 60s to ACORN to Carter and blah blah blah.
Anyone know the link? It was a devastating indictment, and included the idea that this economic destruction is actually part of the plan.
| 564 |
avanti Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:32:16pm |
re: #547 pink freud
Right, for entertainment purposes only. Got it.
See the top of the page:
"We do this by allowing you, citizens around the country with local knowledge about the proposed "shovel-ready" projects in your city, to find, discuss and rate those projects. These projects are not part of the stimulus bill. They are candidates for funding by federal grant programs once the bill passes.
Some are just playing with it. You can even edit the entries, the description and the rest like Wikipedia. The idea is if you know something about a local project, you can add or edit the listing and vote on it's value.
| 565 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:32:30pm |
re: #529 Cato the Elder
That is interesting indeed. But how does it square with Jefferson's own slave holding?
It was similar to Washington's. Slavery was an economic concept foisted on the colonies from the Brits. Far from making plantations cost effective, slavery made them scarcely profitable. It required a lot of money and resources to maintain "free labor". Some of the Founders who were slave holders were becoming aware of this . Washington was one of the first to diversify his products to be more profitable. He was also a compassionate Master- he took great pains that his slaves were well fed, clothed, sheltered and healthy. I believe they realized the hypocrisy of declaring men free while some were still in bondage, but that the time wasn't right to deal with that issue. Had we fought for independence and the abolition of slavery simultaneously, it's possible the United States would not have happened.
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Wishing Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:32:41pm |
re: #563 JohnAdams
Somebody today posted a linky to an American Spectator piece that fully connected the dots from the 60s to ACORN to Carter and blah blah blah.
Anyone know the link? It was a devastating indictment, and included the idea that this economic destruction is actually part of the plan.
I think Mandy posted the excellent link to the Cloward-Piven strategy: LINK
| 567 |
Dan G. Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:33:10pm |
re: #552 Gus 802
Got my new voter registration card today... back to NPA.
| 568 |
stevieray Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:33:19pm |
re: #529 Cato the Elder
That is interesting indeed. But how does it square with Jefferson's own slave holding?
I think he was worried about the future more than the present. He didn't want slavery to be a foundational right of the new republic... he saw it as a shameful, but temporary necessity. He freed his slaves upon his death, if memory serves.
A bit late, to be sure... even founding fathers can have feet of clay.
| 569 |
VioletTiger Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:33:33pm |
re: #533 JohnAdams
It's sad isn't it?
I have a friend with a vet business who said he would not be hiring the three people he had hoped to hire this year. His financial advisor said it makes no sense to expand his business now. He can't come out ahead. So there's three less jobs created. This will be repeated over and over in every state.
| 571 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:34:17pm |
re: #567 Dan G.
Got my new voter registration card today... back to NPA.
Non Partisan? I'm still an (I).
| 572 |
Dan G. Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:34:19pm |
re: #558 Dr. Shalit
The Kindle commercial on Amazon's front page mentions that Kindle can download blogs... I was wondering whether it formatted well (i.e. easy to read).
| 573 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:34:47pm |
re: #551 MandyManners
You actually thought that CBBHO didn't know what he was doing? That his history didn't tell you what he would do once he gained the ultimate office?
Mandy posted this earlier, but it's worth a re-post:
| 574 |
Dan G. Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:34:47pm |
re: #571 Gus 802
Same thing. I briefly registered as R to vote against Huckabee in the primary.
| 575 |
JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:35:18pm |
| 576 |
FrogMarch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:35:35pm |
re: #561 lobo91
Did you see the piece in the WSJ today that basically said that if they raised the tax rate to 100% on everything over $75,000, the amount of revenue the government would take in would just barely cover Obama's budget?
Obama doesn't just hate the private sector. He's trying to eliminate it.
I did see that. The democrats live and breathe to raise taxes. (Obama and his media lie about the "95%") It's not going to work out that way.
| 577 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:35:40pm |
Over on Facebook, one of my friends just joined the Ludwig von Mises fan group.
Nothing wrong with that.
On of the posts on the group page, though, has this:
I started a group where Libertarians, Anarchists, Constitutionalists, Objectivists, & Austrian Economists get together and exchange ideas.
Now doesn't that just sound like the most fun you can have with your clothes on? More yucks than a cavern full o' moonbats...
| 579 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:36:16pm |
/we're in real trouble
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:36:28pm |
re: #569 VioletTiger
Tell me about it. I have no design work in my office; in a year that means no construction jobs in the field.
We are in for a world of hurt, and spending ourselves into oblivion through the inefficiency of the government will not fix it.
this is a nightmare.
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:36:30pm |
re: #574 Dan G.
Same thing. I briefly registered as R to vote against Huckabee in the primary.
Don't blame you. Huckabee was rather off putting in his comments during the primaries.
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Wishing Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:36:50pm |
| 583 |
Scion9 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:37:01pm |
re: #568 stevieray
He freed a handful of his slaves, but died in debt so he couldn't free the majority of them.
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SteveC Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:37:39pm |
re: #561 lobo91
Did you see the piece in the WSJ today that basically said that if they raised the tax rate to 100% on everything over $75,000, the amount of revenue the government would take in would just barely cover Obama's budget?
Neil Cavuto had a segment today about how, because of rate adjustments, the line that marks you as "rich" is now at $209,000. :(
And Shepard Smith asked the budget director how do you spend all this money when you are already in debt, and the first words out of her mouth were "the debt was inherited." WTF does that have to do with anything?
I swear, I'm gonna buy everyone here a Gold Plated Kindle! And you can have your choice of a BMW, a Corvette, or a Lexus, and it is all on me. And I'll buy Charles a 747 and rename it LIZARD ONE. And when they come to throw my ass in debtor's prison I'll just tell them "My debt was inherited!" and they'll leave me alone!
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Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:37:48pm |
re: #561 lobo91
Did you see the piece in the WSJ today that basically said that if they raised the tax rate to 100% on everything over $75,000, the amount of revenue the government would take in would just barely cover Obama's budget?
Obama doesn't just hate the private sector. He's trying to eliminate it.
Really, what is wrong with you people? All the poor man wants is for you to shut up and do what you're told, provide the government with all the fruits of your labor, work until you're too old to be of use, and then go die somewhere. Is that asking so much?
/
| 587 |
lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:38:09pm |
re: #572 Dan G.
The Kindle commercial on Amazon's front page mentions that Kindle can download blogs... I was wondering whether it formatted well (i.e. easy to read).
I think your results will vary greatly, depending on how the blog is formatted. I have a Kindle 1, and I can tell you that on it, when you subscribe to LGF, all you see is the posts from the front page. No comments.
On a blog where the comments appear on the same page, you might be able to see them. I've never tried it, though.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:38:34pm |
re: #555 JohnAdams
John Adams -
Want 100% Employment except for invalids? Easy to do! - Team 1 Digs Holes, when they are done, Team 2 goes in - To Fill Them Up. 100% Able Bodied Employment - and so on.
Does this produce any "WEALTH?" - Hell NO. Only keeps people busy. People being "busy" is a good thing. People being busy creating wealth for themselves and their families is Even Better.
-S-
| 589 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:38:41pm |
re: #563 JohnAdams
Somebody today posted a linky to an American Spectator piece that fully connected the dots from the 60s to ACORN to Carter and blah blah blah.
Anyone know the link? It was a devastating indictment, and included the idea that this economic destruction is actually part of the plan.
I posted the DTN link but, I seem to remember that there is one to an AS article. Hold on while I look.
| 590 |
JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:38:52pm |
re: #569 VioletTiger
It's sad isn't it?
I have a friend with a vet business who said he would not be hiring the three people he had hoped to hire this year. His financial advisor said it makes no sense to expand his business now. He can't come out ahead. So there's three less jobs created. This will be repeated over and over in every state.
The Zero is very effective at hiding his intentions. His contrived rhetoric always plays to the middle class and small business, and yet in just 6 weeks he has demonstrated nothing but open hostility--indeed a blatant, demonstrated larceny--of the private sector.
| 591 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:41:17pm |
| 592 |
Sosigado Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:41:27pm |
I'll have to agree with some others here. I'm by no means a
conspiracy nut, but the Obama/Dem evisceration of the entrepreneurial
spirit in America sure appears to be more and more by design with each passing day.
| 593 |
Wishing Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:41:32pm |
The Tzar knows that it is unimportant what you DO as long as what you SAY is pleasant to the ear.
He has it down to a science.
| 594 |
Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:41:43pm |
re: #579 Killian Bundy
/we're in real trouble
All right, that made me laugh.
It's not fair, really, but still -- too funny.
| 595 |
avanti Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:41:49pm |
Did I miss the discussion of the Fairness Doctrine vote in the Senate today ?
news.yahoo.com...]>link
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:42:07pm |
| 597 |
Wishing Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:42:35pm |
re: #594 Cognito
All right, that made me laugh.
It's not fair, really, but still -- too funny.
What *isn't fair* about it? It is what these presidents do in their free time.
| 598 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:43:23pm |
re: #563 JohnAdams
Somebody today posted a linky to an American Spectator piece that fully connected the dots from the 60s to ACORN to Carter and blah blah blah.
Anyone know the link? It was a devastating indictment, and included the idea that this economic destruction is actually part of the plan.
The Cloward-Piven Strategy of Economic Recovery in the American Thinker.
| 599 |
Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:43:46pm |
re: #597 Wishing
What *isn't fair* about it? It is what these presidents do in their free time.
All right.
| 600 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:43:50pm |
I'm going step back now. I may be back later.
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:44:08pm |
re: #576 FrogMarch
I did see that. The democrats live and breathe to raise taxes. (Obama and his media lie about the "95%") It's not going to work out that way.
Of course it won't. For one thing, he was only talking about personal income tax rates, not things like the added cost you're going to pay on pretty much everything you buy once they implement their carbon tax scheme.
And even with the income tax rates, it's a semantics game. They're going to "let the Bush tax cuts expire," which will, of course, cause all the rates to go up. But since they won't be passing a bill to cause it to happen, they can say they didn't raise them.
| 602 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:45:06pm |
re: #565 Sharmuta
Sharmuta -
Unless all'y'all OR your ancestors came here in the 1960's or '70's or later. Guess what?, you came here on a BOAT, Willingly OR Un-Willingly - ON A BOAT. Guess what? WE Are In the SAME BOAT NOW.
-S-
| 603 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:45:08pm |
re: #598 MandyManners
The Cloward-Piven Strategy of Economic Recovery in the American Thinker.
Using borrowed money for a band-aid bailout of the economy should seem backwards to most people. However, it likely is a planned strategy to promote radical change. Those naively believing that President Obama is simply rewarding his far-left base, and will then move to the political center, must wise up.
The assumption that Obama will need the nation to prosper in order to protect the 2010 mid-term election incorrectly assumes that he esteems free market capitalism. He does not. Rather than win through superior ideas and policies, the Democrat plan for success in the mid-term elections is to win by destroying political opposition.
Obama adheres to the Saul Alinksy Rules for Radicals method of politics, which teaches the dark art of destroying political adversaries. However, that text reveals only one front in the radical left's war against America. The Cloward/Piven Strategy is another method employed by the radical Left to create and manage crisis. This strategy explains Rahm Emanuel's ominous statement, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste."
The Cloward/Piven Strategy is named after Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. Their goal is to overthrow capitalism by overwhelming the government bureaucracy with entitlement demands. The created crisis provides the impetus to bring about radical political change.
SNIP
| 605 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:46:25pm |
This is nuts. Between the White House and congress. And the MSM playing along like things are getting better or going to get better. The unions seem to be about ready to take over a portion of America.
| 606 |
OldRiverGuy Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:46:26pm |
re: #595 avanti
I wonder why the verbiage for Senator DeMint's amendment is available at the Library of Congress but Tricky Durban's amendment isn't available
as of yet.
| 607 |
VioletTiger Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:46:30pm |
re: #590 JohnAdams
The Zero is very effective at hiding his intentions. His contrived rhetoric always plays to the middle class and small business, and yet in just 6 weeks he has demonstrated nothing but open hostility--indeed a blatant, demonstrated larceny--of the private sector.
He has the cover of the MSM. Hell, he was even a member of a socialist party, but nobody (except maybe Charles) would even broadcast anything about it.
| 610 |
Wishing Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:47:49pm |
re: #608 Cognito
Conspiracy theorist rubbish.
Has anyone told you lately that you are a pain in the nethers?
| 611 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:47:51pm |
re: #604 Gus 802
Gus 802 -
Asians may be "Yellow Skinned" - In economics, they are certainly NOT Stupid. That is all.
-S-
| 612 |
AMER1CAN Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:47:56pm |
OT: NEWBO's - America's New Black Overclass
Hey, I'm not making this shit up! Watch the preview video and try not to laugh at the narrators voice. I dare ya.
| 613 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:48:41pm |
re: #611 Dr. Shalit
Gus 802 -
Asians may be "Yellow Skinned" - In economics, they are certainly NOT Stupid. That is all.
-S-
Huh what?
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:49:16pm |
re: #588 Dr. Shalit
John Adams -
Want 100% Employment except for invalids? Easy to do! - Team 1 Digs Holes, when they are done, Team 2 goes in - To Fill Them Up. 100% Able Bodied Employment - and so on.
Does this produce any "WEALTH?" - Hell NO. Only keeps people busy. People being "busy" is a good thing. People being busy creating wealth for themselves and their families is Even Better.-S-
Taking money from one group of people so you can give it to another group of peole doesn't create any wealth, either. If I make $100, and the government takes $50 of it from me and gives it to you to pay you for saving mice in California, how much money do the two of us have to spend? $100, by my count, the same as what I had in the first place.
| 615 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:49:45pm |
re: #595 avanti
Did I miss the discussion of the Fairness Doctrine vote in the Senate today ?
news.yahoo.com...]>link
| 616 |
Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:49:46pm |
Rather than win through superior ideas and policies, the Democrat plan for success in the mid-term elections is to win by destroying political opposition.
Taking control of the census, handing Acorn cash for 'organizing', allowing anyone in the country (dead or alive, citizen or not) to vote... hey! We're a banana republic! Maybe Jimmy Carter can monitor our elections!
We.are.so.screwed.
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JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:50:49pm |
re: #598 MandyManners
The Cloward-Piven Strategy of Economic Recovery in the American Thinker.
Yeah, that's it, you conspiracy nut ;~)
//
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Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:50:54pm |
re: #610 Wishing
Has anyone told you lately that you are a pain in the nethers?
I can only hope to be, in the face of such obvious tripe.
The finest economic minds in America, regardless of political affiliation, can not find a clear way out of the mess we're in. To claim that one party is not just using the crisis, not just sabotaging recovery efforts, but engineering its downfall is ridiculous and deserves scorn.
Its proponents, rather, are the ones using the crisis. For shame.
| 620 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:50:56pm |
re: #606 OldRiverGuy
I wonder why the verbiage for Senator DeMint's amendment is available at the Library of Congress but Tricky Durban's amendment isn't available
as of yet.
Someone posted a few links earlier tonight. Gimme' a second.
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:52:25pm |
re: #614 lobo91
I think if the Feds take $50 dollars from you in taxes it's probably worth $10 after it goes through the Federal millworks.
| 623 |
jcm Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:52:25pm |
re: #608 Cognito
Conspiracy theorist rubbish.
In the shoe fits......
Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis
I submit to you they understand the consequences. For many it is simply a practical matter of eliciting votes from a targeted constituency at taxpayer expense; we lose a little, they gain a lot, and the politician keeps his job. But for others, the goal is more malevolent - the failure is deliberate. Don't laugh. This method not only has its proponents, it has a name: the Cloward-Piven Strategy. It describes their agenda, tactics, and long-term strategy.The Strategy was first elucidated in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation magazine by a pair of radical socialist Columbia University professors, Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. David Horowitz summarizes it as:
The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
| 625 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:52:38pm |
| 626 |
Wishing Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:53:00pm |
re: #619 Cognito
I can only hope to be, in the face of such obvious tripe.
The finest economic minds in America, regardless of political affiliation, can not find a clear way out of the mess we're in. To claim that one party is not just using the crisis, not just sabotaging recovery efforts, but engineering its downfall is ridiculous and deserves scorn.
Its proponents, rather, are the ones using the crisis. For shame.
So are you suggesting that the Tzar has the finest economic mind in the nation? He says HE has the answer, right?
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:53:32pm |
| 629 |
JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:54:03pm |
re: #603 MandyManners
There must be SERIOUS tax-payer revolt by 2010 or we've got real trouble.
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:54:32pm |
re: #630 Iron Fist
Oh, you wouldn't want that My family is, to put it bluntly, insane :-)
Crap! We really are related! ;)
| 632 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:54:41pm |
I'm gonna' go get my nightly bowl of cereal before I reach through this monitor and throttle the shit out of someone.
| 633 |
lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:54:52pm |
re: #619 Cognito
The finest economic minds in America, regardless of political affiliation, can not find a clear way out of the mess we're in.
If you think Tim "I couldn't figure out my own taxes" Geithner and Barney Frank are the "finest economic minds in America," then you might have a point.
But they're not.
| 634 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:55:09pm |
re: #614 lobo91
lobo91 -
Probably LESS. All'y'all forgot "THE VIG." Unlike the WIZ - Nobody Beats The VIG - a/k/a TAXES.
-S-
| 635 |
Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:55:21pm |
re: #626 Wishing
So are you suggesting that the Tzar has the finest economic mind in the nation? He says HE has the answer, right?
Perhaps you didn't finish that sentence. I noted that the economists "regardless of political affiliation, can not find a clear way out of the mess we're in."
To claim otherwise -- over the objections of the very economists themselves -- is laughable.
| 636 |
SteveC Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:55:23pm |
re: #626 Wishing
So are you suggesting that the Tzar has the finest economic mind in the nation? He says HE has the answer, right?
Just cuz I says I'm a little green man from Mars don't necessarily make it true, ya know!
| 637 |
Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:55:58pm |
re: #633 lobo91
If you think Tim "I couldn't figure out my own taxes" Geithner and Barney Frank are the "finest economic minds in America," then you might have a point.
But they're not.
I don't.
| 638 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:56:08pm |
re: #629 JohnAdams
There must be SERIOUS tax-payer revolt by 2010 or we've got real trouble.
How. Most people pay taxes through payroll deductions. The only people that could really do a tax revolt would be contractors, freelancers, etc. Then they would face Federal sanction in the long run including threats of liens and levies Finally if they are not contacted you face criminal prosecution.
/Just sayin'
| 639 |
OldRiverGuy Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:56:15pm |
re: #620 MandyManners
I noticed that our local Clear Channel morning show is now talking about
classic rock music instead of politics. Started yesterday morning. I don't
if it is related to the fairness doctrine. But I am very suspicious since the
program was very much anti O.
| 640 |
jcm Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:56:18pm |
re: #635 Cognito
Perhaps you didn't finish that sentence. I noted that the economists "regardless of political affiliation, can not find a clear way out of the mess we're in."
To claim otherwise -- over the objections of the very economists themselves -- is laughable.
But we do have historical precedents.
This ain't the way.
| 641 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:56:29pm |
re: #603 MandyManners
I'm going to call bullshit on that one.
| 642 |
AMER1CAN Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:56:37pm |
BREAKING NEWS: Obama says the Sun may not rise tomorrow unless we pay Sun God more money
/would probably be cheaper
| 643 |
Wishing Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:56:55pm |
| 644 |
JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:57:13pm |
re: #632 MandyManners
I'm gonna' go get my nightly bowl of cereal before I reach through this monitor and throttle the shit out of someone.
Easy darlin'! Cheerios...?
| 645 |
lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:57:26pm |
re: #622 Gus 802
I think if the Feds take $50 dollars from you in taxes it's probably worth $10 after it goes through the Federal millworks.
True. It's probably an overstatement to say that the net resultis the same $100 I started with.
One thing's certain, though. No wealth was created in the process.
| 646 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:58:30pm |
re: #645 lobo91
True. It's probably an overstatement to say that the net resultis the same $100 I started with.
One thing's certain, though. No wealth was created in the process.
Yep, it only keeps the civil servants employed.
| 647 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:59:02pm |
re: #637 Cognito
Cognito -
I do my own, AND, "advise" others - MOST of whom have LESS probems than the SEC. Treasury.
-S-
| 648 |
Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:59:27pm |
re: #640 jcm
But we do have historical precedents.
This ain't the way.
Not really. We indeed do not have historical precedents. The model we (and I use that term loosely) have chosen -- the Keynesian one -- is untested. So who knows.
That said, I agree -- I suspect this ain't the way. But there are much smarter economists than we have assembled here who admit there's simply no way to be sure, and so anyone who stomps around in a blog's comments section and claims to see a clear path to salvation is either a liar or deluded.
| 649 |
JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 8:59:57pm |
re: #638 Gus 802
How. Most people pay taxes through payroll deductions. The only people that could really do a tax revolt would be contractors, freelancers, etc. Then they would face Federal sanction in the long run including threats of liens and levies Finally if they are not contacted you face criminal prosecution.
/Just sayin'
Agreed. Conservatives by nature like to work and be left alone. We're not too great at demonstrations. Hopefully Steele has a strategy for coralling all this anger into the mid-term elections.
| 650 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:00:15pm |
re: #641 Killgore Trout
After a full reading I call super bullshit.
| 651 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:00:47pm |
re: #641 Killgore Trout
I'm going to call bullshit on that one.
Look at how the strategy's been used to commit massive amounts of voter fraud and, now, the housing collapse.
| 652 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:00:52pm |
OK Lizardim -
"Wiccan" Hour Here on the Right Coast - Nytol!
-S-
| 653 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:01:10pm |
| 654 |
esch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:01:11pm |
re: #646 Gus 802
Yep, it only keeps the civil servants employed.
That is the key. "Creating jobs" for democrats always end up being government jobs with cushy permanent entitlements. The 'master' class is growing.
| 655 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:01:21pm |
re: #649 JohnAdams
Agreed. Conservatives by nature like to work and be left alone. We're not too great at demonstrations. Hopefully Steele has a strategy for coralling all this anger into the mid-term elections.
We're kind of stuck too. The control the house and the senate. The GOP won't be able to do a thing for the time being.
| 656 |
Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:02:15pm |
| 657 |
Scion9 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:02:16pm |
re: #565 Sharmuta
It required a lot of money and resources to maintain "free labor".
I disagree. This is abolitionist revisionism for the most part. The Nazis obviously had absolutely no problems making a profit off the backs of slaves as one very recent example. Leopold didn't have an issue with his Congo colony making massive wealth either. The Soviets only failed at it because of massive corruption and a flawed economic system that deliberately bleeds capital.
Slavery wasn't profitable for some of the founding fathers, like Jefferson, because they were terrible business men. Other southern planters certainly didn't have a problem making themselves rich when they weren't preoccupied with philosophy, politics, funding a revolution and delegating their estate to be run by others.
Slave revolts weren't very common, and slaves reliably worked 17+ hour days on the most brutal plantations. It was a very profitable enterprise for those slave holders that ran their plantations like the slave labor camps that they were. That Washington, Madison and their contemporaries showed such magnanimity towards their own slaves that was not required by law was choosing a bad business model out of moral pangs.
Abolitionists attempting to influence southern planters put out a bunch of bogus literature about the economics of slavery, and unfortunately a lot of neoconfederates hoist the canard that because slavery wasn't really profitable it would have died out when the south became industrialized.
| 658 |
lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:02:22pm |
re: #648 Cognito
Not really. We indeed do not have historical precedents. The model we (and I use that term loosely) have chosen -- the Keynesian one -- is untested. So who knows.
Google "Japan" and "lost decade" if you want to see a precedent.
Then add a few zeroes.
| 659 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:02:38pm |
Bot everything some idiot puts on a web page is true. C'mon, folks. There are plenty of real things to get excited about without inventing conspiracy theories.
I'm witnessing conservatives turn into ranting moonbats right before my very eyes. I was kinda expecting this but it's really happening a lot faster than I thought it would.
| 660 |
avanti Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:02:39pm |
re: #639 OldRiverGuy
I noticed that our local Clear Channel morning show is now talking about
classic rock music instead of politics. Started yesterday morning. I don't
if it is related to the fairness doctrine. But I am very suspicious since the
program was very much anti O.
Why would a bill banning the Fairness Doctrine coming back make you think that way ? After all the talk about it coming back, the bill passed with bipartisan support. End of story, you can relax now.
| 661 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:02:51pm |
re: #654 esch
That is the key. "Creating jobs" for democrats always end up being government jobs with cushy permanent entitlements. The 'master' class is growing.
SEIU, AFSCME
AFL-CIO
Card check will be passing soon.
It's going to get worse.
| 662 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:03:14pm |
Here's the problem with Keynes:
"The theory of aggregated production, which is the point of the following book, nevertheless can be much easier adapted to the conditions of a totalitarian state [eines totalen Staates] than the theory of production and distribution of a given production put forth under conditions of free competition and a large degree of laissez-faire."
[Link: tmh.floonet.net...]
| 663 |
Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:03:20pm |
re: #658 lobo91
Google "Japan" and "lost decade" if you want to see a precedent.
Then add a few zeroes.
If by precedent you mean, "really bad," then yes. I cede the point.
Otherwise, no.
| 664 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:04:28pm |
re: #651 MandyManners
It's nonsense. Just like when the moonbats thought that Bush was going to take advantage of 9/11 to create a fascist police state. There was a philosophical and historical basis for that too, but it was never true no matter how many Dkos diaries were written about it.
| 665 |
JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:04:59pm |
re: #655 Gus 802
We're kind of stuck too. The control the house and the senate. The GOP won't be able to do a thing for the time being.
Not sure I so much trust the GOP either, my man! In the meantime, the robbers have blown open the doors of the Treasury and they have minimum two years to back up the trucks...
| 666 |
esch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:05:56pm |
re: #655 Gus 802
We're kind of stuck too. The control the house and the senate. The GOP won't be able to do a thing for the time being.
Make the 'moderates' that voted for this monster extremely uncomfortable by attacking brutally, mercilessly and relentlessly. Hammer the left, so when the doubt sets in they remember what YOU said about all this.
They are selling our children and grandchildren into de facto slavery. Screw nice, screw bipartisan.
| 667 |
lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:05:59pm |
re: #654 esch
That is the key. "Creating jobs" for democrats always end up being government jobs with cushy permanent entitlements. The 'master' class is growing.
I think the ultimate goal is to eliminate the middle class, basically. We'll end up with 49% paying massive taxes to subsidize the other 51%, who will vote to keep the Democrats in power so they keep getting their free stuff.
| 668 |
jcm Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:06:06pm |
re: #648 Cognito
Not really. We indeed do not have historical precedents. The model we (and I use that term loosely) have chosen -- the Keynesian one -- is untested. So who knows.
That said, I agree -- I suspect this ain't the way. But there are much smarter economists than we have assembled here who admit there's simply no way to be sure, and so anyone who stomps around in a blog's comments section and claims to see a clear path to salvation is either a liar or deluded.
Coolidge, Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton, Bush.
Cut marginal tax rates and the economy and tax revenues increased.
Hoover, Roosevelt, Carter, did the opposite and both decreased.
Which path is Obama on.
Kenynes recommends moderate deficits to economic stimulus, this is Kenynes ++.
| 669 |
Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:06:24pm |
Let us not forget as time moves on, a few things about this Obama:
1. He can view a baby as punishment.
2. He can view "a" white person as "typical".
3. He disrespects "clingers" to "guns and religion".
4. He misrepresents the number of states in the union.
5. He cannot detect the stench of evil, or he would not associate with Ayers and others like him.
6.He can pal around with a spiteful preacher who shouts "Goddamn America".
*****
Now he is president.
What a nightmare.
| 670 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:06:47pm |
re: #665 JohnAdams
Not sure I so much trust the GOP either, my man! In the meantime, the robbers have blown open the doors of the Treasury and they have minimum two years to back up the trucks...
Ditto. After what the GOP has done for the last 8 years I'm not holding my breath. In the end they also represent big government until proven otherwise. However, given the choice. Well, you know the answer. Right now, we have no choice. Might need to get my teeth capped after all of this teeth grinding.
| 671 |
JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:07:43pm |
re: #667 lobo91
I think the ultimate goal is to eliminate the middle class, basically. We'll end up with 49% paying massive taxes to subsidize the other 51%, who will vote to keep the Democrats in power so they keep getting their free stuff.
Witness England.
| 674 |
Wishing Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:09:09pm |
re: #672 realwest
Hey y'all - how is everyone doing tonight?
Hey RW...all is well. How about yourself?
| 675 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:09:14pm |
re: #666 esch
Make the 'moderates' that voted for this monster extremely uncomfortable by attacking brutally, mercilessly and relentlessly. Hammer the left, so when the doubt sets in they remember what YOU said about all this.
They are selling our children and grandchildren into de facto slavery. Screw nice, screw bipartisan.
Pretty much what's left is the court of public opinion and media events.
| 676 |
esch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:09:19pm |
| 677 |
jcm Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:09:25pm |
re: #672 realwest
Hey y'all - how is everyone doing tonight?
Hey! Real, top of the evening to ya!
*slides a cold one down the bar to Real*
| 678 |
Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:09:38pm |
| 679 |
lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:10:03pm |
re: #660 avanti
Why would a bill banning the Fairness Doctrine coming back make you think that way ? After all the talk about it coming back, the bill passed with bipartisan support. End of story, you can relax now.
I take it you haven't heard about Durbin's amendment, which also passed (just barely). That one will have the same end result, by allowing the FCC to require stations to dump the big syndicated programs.
| 680 |
Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:10:10pm |
re: #668 jcm
Coolidge, Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton, Bush.
Cut marginal tax rates and the economy and tax revenues increased.Hoover, Roosevelt, Carter, did the opposite and both decreased.
Which path is Obama on.
Kenynes recommends moderate deficits to economic stimulus, this is Kenynes ++.
To the contrary. Keynes recommends a total system flush, so to speak, that we haven't even conceived just yet.
And no, I don't believe C, K, R, C and B faced this particular set of circumstances; although, if they had, they might have chosen a very different path than the one Obama's administration has chosen.
Keynes, to me, fails to pass the test of common sense. Piling on new debt may heat up the financial corpus, but it will not heal it.
| 681 |
JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:10:40pm |
re: #670 Gus 802
Ditto. After what the GOP has done for the last 8 years I'm not holding my breath. In the end they also represent big government until proven otherwise. However, given the choice. Well, you know the answer. Right now, we have no choice. Might need to get my teeth capped after all of this teeth grinding.
They use "the last 8 years" to justify all of their spending, but in 6 weeks they've doubled the deficit already. 6 weeks.
| 682 |
Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:10:51pm |
re: #672 realwest
I am drinking grappa in my office. The kids are watching a stupid movie in the house. I can't hear it here.
| 683 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:11:01pm |
re: #678 Ojoe
Modern Whig Party. There might be a new choice.
I saw that. They probably need to expand on their issues but it's interesting thus far. Knowing human behavior though it might be difficult to sell a "wig" party. Seriously.
| 684 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:11:12pm |
re: #672 realwest
Hi realwest. I'm uncommonly grouchy tonight.
| 685 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:11:37pm |
re: #682 Ojoe
I am drinking grappa in my office. The kids are watching a stupid movie in the house. I can't hear it here.
Grappa? Are you wearing a hairshirt as well?
/
| 686 |
OldRiverGuy Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:11:52pm |
re: #660 avanti
Maybe so, but Senator Durban's amendment for " diverse media ownership" IMO is a slick way of saying were going to shut down
right wing syndicated program like Rush, Savage, and other similar
pro9grams.
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:11:59pm |
re: #681 JohnAdams
They use "the last 8 years" to justify all of their spending, but in 6 weeks they've doubled the deficit already. 6 weeks.
I know. Today was the mother of all budgets including a pre-dated tax "hike." The DJI fell about 80 points continuing it's slide.
| 688 |
Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:12:06pm |
re: #681 JohnAdams
They use "the last 8 years" to justify all of their spending, but in 6 weeks they've doubled the deficit already. 6 weeks.
It is beyond infuriating to observe this folly.
| 689 |
Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:13:01pm |
re: #685 OldLineTexan
A cotton tee with long sleeves.
I used to live in Italy & there acquired a taste for grappa.
| 690 |
esch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:13:02pm |
re: #680 Cognito
Keynes, to me, fails to pass the test of common sense. Piling on new debt may heat up the financial corpus, but it will not heal it.
The O admin is doing it nonetheless. Soros laid it all out in his 'Game Changer' article.
| 691 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:13:18pm |
re: #657 Scion9
That Washington, Madison and their contemporaries showed such magnanimity towards their own slaves that was not required by law was choosing a bad business model out of moral pangs.
You'll have to excuse me for not having a problem with men treating their underlings with respect and morals. That the law didn't require it of them speaks more to their nature than it speaks against it.
The original comment I was replying to concerned our Founders and slavery, and to that exact question I tried to share some facts. This is what I've read concerning Washington- that he diversified his plantation (including adding America's first distillery) because of economic need; and he held high ideals about the treatment of all men. Perhaps you've heard of or read the letter Washington received from the Quakers. He was deeply concerned about these issues. As was Franklin and both John and Abigail Adams. Quite a few of the Founders were, for there was never a more radical line written than "...all Men are created equal." Truly- they were revolutionary.
| 692 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:13:34pm |
re: #664 Killgore Trout
It's nonsense. Just like when the moonbats thought that Bush was going to take advantage of 9/11 to create a fascist police state. There was a philosophical and historical basis for that too, but it was never true no matter how many Dkos diaries were written about it.
Have you read the DTN link?
| 693 |
JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:13:48pm |
re: #672 realwest
Hey y'all - how is everyone doing tonight?
Mixed. Drinking a glass of wine in a warm house on a cold night discussing the robbery of a nation by their servants.
| 694 |
jcm Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:14:00pm |
re: #680 Cognito
To the contrary. Keynes recommends a total system flush, so to speak, that we haven't even conceived just yet.
And no, I don't believe C, K, R, C and B faced this particular set of circumstances; although, if they had, they might have chosen a very different path than the one Obama's administration has chosen.
Keynes, to me, fails to pass the test of common sense. Piling on new debt may heat up the financial corpus, but it will not heal it.
What also should be apparent historically is less government taxation, regulation and spending has never worked as well as the opposite.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:14:27pm |
re: #689 Ojoe
A cotton tee with long sleeves.
I used to live in Italy & there acquired a taste for grappa.
You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din.
/I'm with Mandy wrt booze, although I have none on hand
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Wishing Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:15:00pm |
OT:
question on Laura Ingraham (sp?) Our local station just started with her show and I noticed that yesterday she had Geert Wilders on and today she had Pat Buchanon on. What is her story? Also, yesterday she totally ragged on Jindal, today she changed her tune?
| 697 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:15:22pm |
Cheerios have made me drowsy. Good night, Lizards!
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Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:15:26pm |
re: #694 jcm
What also should be apparent historically is less government taxation, regulation and spending has never worked as well as the opposite.
You would think so.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:16:16pm |
re: #695 OldLineTexan
Grappa is, well, the pure booze; it is booze and nothing else, kind of like vodka but a tiny bit more civilized, as it comes from grapes not potatoes.
Ha ha ha.
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:16:27pm |
And we're going to bailout "wealthy" Bay Area home owners.
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:17:14pm |
re: #689 Ojoe
A cotton tee with long sleeves.
I used to live in Italy & there acquired a taste for grappa.
I was stationed in Italy about a lifetime ago. I can't imagine acquiring a taste for grappa, though.
Now if I needed something to remove tarnish from silver, maybe...
| 703 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:17:33pm |
re: #699 Ojoe
Grappa is, well, the pure booze; it is booze and nothing else, kind of like vodka but a tiny bit more civilized, as it comes from grapes not potatoes.
Ha ha ha.
More like grapes, stems, and leaves, IIRC ...
| 704 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:17:57pm |
| 706 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:18:31pm |
There are a few facts to be dealt with 1) if the Republicans were in power we'd still be looking at a huge bailout package. The pork would be slightly different and the earmarks would go somewhere else but the bailout bill would be more or less the same. 2) When Amerikka does not collapse into a barren post apocalyptic Marxist wasteland and the economy starts to recover in a year or two what is going to happen to all the conspiracy theories. Will we just pretend it never happened?
Seriously, think about it. Don't let irrational Obama hatred get the better of you.
| 707 |
JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:18:36pm |
re: #701 lobo91
I was stationed in Italy about a lifetime ago. I can't imagine acquiring a taste for grappa, though.
Now if I needed something to remove tarnish from silver, maybe...
Hemingway drank Grappa.
| 708 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:18:55pm |
re: #692 MandyManners
Just the American Thinker link.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:19:02pm |
re: #703 OldLineTexan
Probably also from insect parts; yellow jackets and the like that got stuck to the grapes.
| 710 |
lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:19:17pm |
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:19:32pm |
re: #706 Killgore Trout
There are a few facts to be dealt with 1) if the Republicans were in power we'd still be looking at a huge bailout package. The pork would be slightly different and the earmarks would go somewhere else but the bailout bill would be more or less the same. 2) When Amerikka does not collapse into a barren post apocalyptic Marxist wasteland and the economy starts to recover in a year or two what is going to happen to all the conspiracy theories. Will we just pretend it never happened?
Seriously, think about it. Don't let irrational Obama hatred get the better of you.
Who was Hank Paulson again?
//
| 712 |
capitalist piglet Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:19:35pm |
re: #649 JohnAdams
Agreed. Conservatives by nature like to work and be left alone. We're not too great at demonstrations. Hopefully Steele has a strategy for coralling all this anger into the mid-term elections.
We were pretty good at it when Al Gore was trying to pry the presidency from its rightful winner.
When we take to the streets, I think we can have real impact - primarily because we aren't known for doing it. I was thinking today that what we need is to get out there and let them know we are not pleased.
We can't afford to wait for 2010. They are moving too fast. And respectfully, I have to say a third party is not the answer - it will only make things that much more difficult.
| 714 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:20:07pm |
re: #673 Killer Tomato
And
re: #674 Wishing
And
re: #676 esch
and
re: #677 jcm
and
re: #682 Ojoe
and
re: #684 jaunte
Whoa! That's quite a range of responses!
Well I don't quite understand the rage if it's directed at the GOP - at least not from the financial side of things. Bush fought two wars full tilt boogie - with lots of troops, the surge and all, and had to deal with Katrina and although my math skills are rusty, I think Obama is proposing a budget nearly 50% LARGER than what Bush's budget was for his last year.
And that s.o.b. Obama - in his $684 Billion dollar Universal Health Care is apparently, according to zombie, ALREADY cutting back on how much medicare will reimburse doctors and hospitals which means me and mom will have to pay more money for our serious medical conditions than we have.
Oh and I'm not doing well myself - have some pretty bad abdominal pain and (much less) lower back pain. I don't think it's from the cancer just pulled muscles from some work I did yesterday, so I'm kinda in a grouchy mood anyway.
| 715 |
Scion9 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:20:26pm |
re: #663 Cognito
If by precedent you mean, "really bad," then yes. I cede the point.
Otherwise, no.
Then maybe you should check the history of the entire western world from about 1930 to 1980 for another example of the Keynesian model in action. It has been tried time and again. It actually worked during WWII, when the Federal government had totalitarian control over the economy and impressed 11 million plus young men into 'jobs', and put millions more into jobs creating stuff that was going to get blown up, which amounts to the same thing as having people dig ditches and then fill them in again.
As for the 'greatest economists' regardless of political affiliation not being able to find a way out; that is definitely untested. How many economists are claiming to know the way out? Pretty much all of them. How many have a say in how the government is actually handling the situation? Not very many.
If I ask someone what is the solution to 2 + 2 is, and someone gives 4 and another 5, and I try the latter because I like bigger numbers and then fail on the test doesn't mean that their isn't a correct answer at all.
| 716 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:21:14pm |
"...all Men are created equal....."
I repeat this because it really was a profoundly radical idea in its day- an ideal that is still struggled with around the world even today. Our Founders were radical and far ahead of their time- thankfully for us. I'm thankful that even though this country hasn't always lived fully by this ideal, it has always worked towards it.
| 717 |
esch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:21:38pm |
re: #700 Gus 802
And we're going to bailout "wealthy" Bay Area home owners.
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
It's all about the money & power now. Liberty is an actual threat to their designs.
Time for a real liberty-themed sub party to form and take the GOP back. How about the 'Founders' party?
| 718 |
Wishing Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:22:57pm |
re: #714 realwest
And
re: #674 Wishing
And
re: #676 esch
and
re: #677 jcm
and
re: #682 Ojoe
and
re: #684 jaunte
Whoa! That's quite a range of responses!Well I don't quite understand the rage if it's directed at the GOP - at least not from the financial side of things. Bush fought two wars full tilt boogie - with lots of troops, the surge and all, and had to deal with Katrina and although my math skills are rusty, I think Obama is proposing a budget nearly 50% LARGER than what Bush's budget was for his last year.
And that s.o.b. Obama - in his $684 Billion dollar Universal Health Care is apparently, according to zombie, ALREADY cutting back on how much medicare will reimburse doctors and hospitals which means me and mom will have to pay more money for our serious medical conditions than we have.Oh and I'm not doing well myself - have some pretty bad abdominal pain and (much less) lower back pain. I don't think it's from the cancer just pulled muscles from some work I did yesterday, so I'm kinda in a grouchy mood anyway.
Aww RW! I am sorry you are hurting...hot bath would help those muscles! And my response was personal: I do not allow *environment* to affect how *I* am. =)
| 719 |
mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:23:04pm |
lateto the thread but noticed talk of grappa--d-i-l went to italy last yr and brought us back a bottle of blackberry grappa from the region where mt hubbys family is from-the name was similar to our familys name--apparently my huubys family name is well known in siciky--castles and streetsm etc--no, its not corleone-lol- but the grappa was awesome!
| 720 |
JohnAdams Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:23:30pm |
re: #706 Killgore Trout
There are a few facts to be dealt with 1) if the Republicans were in power we'd still be looking at a huge bailout package. The pork would be slightly different and the earmarks would go somewhere else but the bailout bill would be more or less the same. 2) When Amerikka does not collapse into a barren post apocalyptic Marxist wasteland and the economy starts to recover in a year or two what is going to happen to all the conspiracy theories. Will we just pretend it never happened?
Seriously, think about it. Don't let irrational Obama hatred get the better of you.
Not sure I'm buying it, but I appreciate your moderate approach. Can I give you a sideways ding? Seriously, I do remember laughing at the KOS kids thinking they were going away in boxcars under Bush. That said, they used fear to achieve their goals. If we do not, do we achieve our goals?
| 721 |
lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:24:12pm |
re: #715 Scion9
It actually worked during WWII, when the Federal government had totalitarian control over the economy and impressed 11 million plus young men into 'jobs', and put millions more into jobs creating stuff that was going to get blown up, which amounts to the same thing as having people dig ditches and then fill them in again.
Of course, as soon as all those men came back home, and the women stopped building tanks and bombers, we went back to 11% unemployment.
Funny how the FDR worshippers always forget that part of the bedtime story...
| 722 |
avanti Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:25:12pm |
re: #679 lobo91
I take it you haven't heard about Durbin's amendment, which also passed (just barely). That one will have the same end result, by allowing the FCC to require stations to dump the big syndicated programs.
You can find a cloud in every silver lining.
"To encourage the FCC to promote diversity in communication media ownership and to ensure that broadcast station licenses are used in the public interest.”
| 724 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:25:40pm |
re: #717 esch
It's all about the money & power now. Liberty is an actual threat to their designs.
Time for a real liberty-themed sub party to form and take the GOP back. How about the 'Founders' party?
Tomorrow is the "Tea Party" events. Founders Party has a good ring to it. I think people might consider some acts of "civil disobedience" within common sense rules. Another idea is public pranks. I saw a video today of some young Republicans going around town with a van and pretending to be like the "Publishers Clearing House" prize van. Only the check was for the Feds and they gave the people the taped a bill. They even confronted Geitner along their route and a few were detained for no legal reasons.
| 725 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:26:04pm |
re: #720 JohnAdams
....they used fear to achieve their goals. If we do not, do we achieve our goals?
I wouldn't use Dkos or progressive liberalism as a model for anything except failure.
| 726 |
esch Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:26:05pm |
re: #714 realwest
Well I'm angry at the right for not having fought harder and for the bone-headed idiocy of open primaries. They should have just laughed McCain back to Congress.
Their 'Universal Health Care' will no doubt be the end of me.
| 728 |
Scion9 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:26:29pm |
re: #691 Sharmuta
You'll have to excuse me for not having a problem with men treating their underlings with respect and morals. That the law didn't require it of them speaks more to their nature than it speaks against it.
I agree that it does speak to their good nature. I'm just rebutting the idea that slavery is not profitable. It isn't true. It was propaganda, and it isn't put to any good use today.
There has been slavery all over the globe in some form or another since humans formed the earliest civilizations, and likely before that in our tribal days. In those thousands of years, those civilizations that have abandoned it have only done so out of moral compunctions, or at the threat of force by outsiders that want to spread those morals abroad.
It didn't lose popularity because people can't make themselves rich off of the back of human property. It failed solely because people could no longer tolerate the practice.
| 729 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:26:36pm |
re: #718 Wishing
Hi Wishing - yeah, I know. Regrettfully I hurt so much that I don't think I could get in, and know I couldn't get out of the bathtub!
| 730 |
Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:26:37pm |
re: #715 Scion9
Then maybe you should check the history of the entire western world from about 1930 to 1980 for another example of the Keynesian model in action. It has been tried time and again. It actually worked during WWII, when the Federal government had totalitarian control over the economy and impressed 11 million plus young men into 'jobs', and put millions more into jobs creating stuff that was going to get blown up, which amounts to the same thing as having people dig ditches and then fill them in again.
As for the 'greatest economists' regardless of political affiliation not being able to find a way out; that is definitely untested. How many economists are claiming to know the way out? Pretty much all of them. How many have a say in how the government is actually handling the situation? Not very many.
If I ask someone what is the solution to 2 + 2 is, and someone gives 4 and another 5, and I try the latter because I like bigger numbers and then fail on the test doesn't mean that their isn't a correct answer at all.
Nonsense. This argument assumes an economic and political vacuum of the hardest suck.
The Second World War was not a recovery, in itself, from the Depression. Any uptick in the GDP was more than offset by the loss of blood.
| 731 |
VegasRick Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:27:38pm |
re: #706 Killgore Trout
There are a few facts to be dealt with 1) if the Republicans were in power we'd still be looking at a huge bailout package. The pork would be slightly different and the earmarks would go somewhere else but the bailout bill would be more or less the same. 2) When Amerikka does not collapse into a barren post apocalyptic Marxist wasteland and the economy starts to recover in a year or two what is going to happen to all the conspiracy theories. Will we just pretend it never happened?
Seriously, think about it. Don't let irrational Obama hatred get the better of you.
You can forget about that, if the Repubs were in charge we would be hearing 4 more years of Bush but we would not be giving away billions to shitheaded projects.
| 732 |
Wishing Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:27:47pm |
re: #729 realwest
Hi Wishing - yeah, I know. Regrettfully I hurt so much that I don't think I could get in, and know I couldn't get out of the bathtub!
Well, barring the hot bath thing, I sure hope you have some good drugs stashed away, my friend!
| 733 |
jcm Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:28:37pm |
re: #721 lobo91
Of course, as soon as all those men came back home, and the women stopped building tanks and bombers, we went back to 11% unemployment.
Funny how the FDR worshippers always forget that part of the bedtime story...
The one part that did work was GI Bill. IMHO.
It gave us a hugely educated work force going into the 50's, and was fundamental to the developments after that.
I also think it's just plain the right thing to do with vets, especially combat vets.
| 734 |
lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:28:52pm |
re: #722 avanti
You can find a cloud in every silver lining.
"To encourage the FCC to promote diversity in communication media ownership and to ensure that broadcast station licenses are used in the public interest.”
Translation: Break up the corporate radio networks, and install local boards to tell the station owners what to put on.
Same end result.
| 736 |
Macker Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:29:26pm |
re: #570 Iron Fist
Or the United Federation of Planets: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few...or the one."
| 737 |
Killer Tomato Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:29:32pm |
re: #714 realwest
Well, soak in a hot tub, use a heating pad, take some asprin, ice it, whatever you need to do to feel better!
You take care - I'll talk to you down the road. Work tomorrow - bed now.
Night!
| 738 |
VegasRick Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:30:37pm |
I gotta say, the overnight thread is pretty weak.
| 739 |
ArchangelMichael Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:31:55pm |
re: #738 VegasRick
The LNDT is not posted until 11:30PM PST.
| 740 |
avanti Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:33:09pm |
re: #734 lobo91
Translation: Break up the corporate radio networks, and install local boards to tell the station owners what to put on.
Same end result.
In the end, you won't loose Rush and the rest, the left needs them too much.
| 741 |
lobo91 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:33:50pm |
Well, that's about enough talk aout rainbows and unicorns for me for one night.
If anyone comes up with an actual solution, make sure to post a link so I can read it in the morning.
Night, all.
| 742 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:34:39pm |
re: #726 eschYeah, I know.
But the past is; we need to try to focus on the present and the future and we have to start with Congress; think it's unrealistic for us to expect to gain back the House in 2010 but the Senate, I think, is in reach and if not out right control, at least enough to prevent that supermajority that Specter Collins and Snowe gave the Dems on this ridiculous spending bill.
AND we need to keep in mind that Obama's budget is only what he'd like- we WILL get a chance to wack at it a bit and if only two of the three RINO Senators who backed the Democrats on the Pork bill turn around (and Collins and Specter are up for re-election and Mr Steele told me - in an e-mail in response to mine - that he expects them to find themselves in heavily funded PRIMARY races to even get the nomination to run again) that's not all that unlikely.
There is hope, but we need to stop concentrating on who the hell we're gonna run in 2012 against Obama and sharpen our focus on his new proposed budget and on 2010.
| 743 |
mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:34:42pm |
well, i'm gonna rant here. i'm 8 days off cigs and i need to vent. besides realwest, i know of 2 good friends in their 40's who were just diagmosed with cancer. the latest is my daughter in laws father-late 40's and stage 3 lung/larnyx cancer. facing chemo/radiation. and my pain in the ass 90 yr old mom in law calls me tonight with her latest complaint--RIDGES IN HER FINGERNAILS! and-- shes NERVOUS!
| 744 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:35:44pm |
re: #731 VegasRick
....we would not be giving away billions to shitheaded projects.
How soon we forget: Bush: Bailout plan necessary to deal with crisis
U.S. President George W. Bush, saying "our entire economy is in danger," urged Congress to approve his administration's $700 billion bailout proposal.
"We're in the midst of a serious financial crisis, and the federal government is responding with decisive actions," Bush said in a televised address Wednesday night from the White House.
Bush pointed out that the collapse of several major lenders was rooted in the subprime mortgage market that thrived over the past decade.
He said passage of the $700 billion bailout proposal was needed to restore confidence in the market.
"I'm a strong believer in free enterprise, so my natural instinct is to oppose government intervention," he said. But "these are not normal circumstances. The market is not functioning properly. There has been a widespread loss of confidence.
| 745 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:35:49pm |
re: #728 Scion9
I can understand wanting to remain free of revisionist history. Again, I'll just say I was speaking of my understanding of the Founders on the topic. As I'm very leery of revisionist history concerning them, I can appreciate another Lizard being on the lookout for revisionism elsewhere.
| 747 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:37:08pm |
re: #732 Wishing
Oh, I do, I DO! But even they aren't helping. I sure as hell wish I was 20 years younger.
| 748 |
Scion9 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:39:19pm |
re: #730 Cognito
Nonsense. This argument assumes an economic and political vacuum of the hardest suck.
So why don't you identify what economic schools have any kind of concrete sway over our economic system then. If Republicans get back into office will we see some kind of fundamental shift in economic policy?
U.S. President George W. Bush, saying "our entire economy is in danger," urged Congress to approve his administration's $700 billion bailout proposal.
I rest my case.
Any uptick in the GDP was more than offset by the loss of blood.
What the hell are you even saying here?
| 749 |
OldRiverGuy Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:40:19pm |
Gotta go! Red lights on my work console is not good! Later.
| 750 |
pink freud Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:40:31pm |
re: #743 mikeymom
Hang in there mikeymom, congrats on the eight days without.
| 751 |
mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:40:55pm |
re: #747 realwest
Oh, I do, I DO! But even they aren't helping. I sure as hell wish I was 20 years younger.
be careful w/ meds real-didnt you have a prob a few weeks ago? but the burning question is--DO YOU HAVE RIDGESIN YOUR FINGERNAILS?
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Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:41:30pm |
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Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:43:24pm |
re: #748 Scion9
I'm not sure what your argument is, exactly. And honestly I don't feel inclined to chase it. If you've got a specific disagreement with something in my original post, lemme have it.
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realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:43:59pm |
re: #733 jcm
Hey jcm - that GI Bill was unprecedented. WW I vets got screwed - look up in Wiki the "Volunteer" or the "Bonus Army" where our troops were denied bonuses they were promised and were literally charged by US Army Horse Cavalry to get them off the Mall (led with glee by Macarthur and his two chief subordinates, Eisenhower (who said it was the most shameful thing he'd ever done in Uniform) and Patton (who didn't say anything). Look at wars before that - NO GI Bill at all. WWII vets GI bill covered room, board, tuition books and spending money - compare and contrast with Korean War vets who got Nada and Vietnam vets (I received exactly $200 a month for 9 months of the year, total).
I think we owe it to ALL our veterans - combat or otherwise - to provide the kind of aid that will enable them to get or complete their educations.
'Course, that's me, just a gnarly ole Conservative.
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realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:45:15pm |
re: #735 mikeymom
Hey {mikeymom} Me too! Thanks a lot for the good wishes!
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Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:50:23pm |
A New Era of Responsibility
Renewing America’s Promise
How can they possibly be serious about this abomination? Are the people who put this together on drugs or just enemies of this country?
/A.K.A. The Blueprint For the Total Destruction of the United States of America
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realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:50:58pm |
re: #743 mikeymom
Geez, {mikeymom} sorry to hear about your friends with the cancer - who apparently just got it in their 40's. That royally sucks.
As for your M-I-L, well ya know, it's important and scary to her. Plus if her fingernails are curved much more than usual that could be an indication of coronary problems (or so says my putz internist down here - and no I don't have that he was just explaining why he was "holding hands" with me!
I do hope your friends get the treatment they need and that they do pull through ok.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:51:24pm |
re: #754 realwest
If you really want to get riled up, consider how folks who have never sacrificed shit for this country, and in some cases aren't even citizens of this country, get greater benefits from our gov't than our veterans do. It's shameful.
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jcm Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:51:41pm |
re: #754 realwest
Hey jcm - that GI Bill was unprecedented. WW I vets got screwed - look up in Wiki the "Volunteer" or the "Bonus Army" where our troops were denied bonuses they were promised and were literally charged by US Army Horse Cavalry to get them off the Mall (led with glee by Macarthur and his two chief subordinates, Eisenhower (who said it was the most shameful thing he'd ever done in Uniform) and Patton (who didn't say anything). Look at wars before that - NO GI Bill at all. WWII vets GI bill covered room, board, tuition books and spending money - compare and contrast with Korean War vets who got Nada and Vietnam vets (I received exactly $200 a month for 9 months of the year, total).
I think we owe it to ALL our veterans - combat or otherwise - to provide the kind of aid that will enable them to get or complete their educations.
'Course, that's me, just a gnarly ole Conservative.
Yeah, WWI guys got the shaft. We could and must do better by our vets all of them. I do think those who did serve in combat do deserve more, especially medical benefits.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:52:09pm |
re: #743 mikeymom
So sorry to hear of your friends and relatives with cancer.
As for your MIL, tell her nail ridges are the in thing here in Southern California. LOL
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:52:31pm |
re: #733 jcm
The one part that did work was GI Bill. IMHO.
It gave us a hugely educated work force going into the 50's, and was fundamental to the developments after that.I also think it's just plain the right thing to do with vets, especially combat vets.
re: #754 realwest
Hey jcm - that GI Bill was unprecedented. WW I vets got screwed - look up in Wiki the "Volunteer" or the "Bonus Army" where our troops were denied bonuses they were promised and were literally charged by US Army Horse Cavalry to get them off the Mall (led with glee by Macarthur and his two chief subordinates, Eisenhower (who said it was the most shameful thing he'd ever done in Uniform) and Patton (who didn't say anything). Look at wars before that - NO GI Bill at all. WWII vets GI bill covered room, board, tuition books and spending money - compare and contrast with Korean War vets who got Nada and Vietnam vets (I received exactly $200 a month for 9 months of the year, total).
I think we owe it to ALL our veterans - combat or otherwise - to provide the kind of aid that will enable them to get or complete their educations.
'Course, that's me, just a gnarly ole Conservative.
But then there's the VA's dirty little secret which is located in the Bishop Whipple Federal Building in St. Paul, Minnesota. Veterans Administration Debt Management Service. Their collection tactics make the IRS look like Cub Scouts.
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Afrocity Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:52:54pm |
Hello guys. Been a busy day.
But got some good news.
We heard today that we got another grant to help the history and art museums. So far this year my team has raised $800,000 in funds. All from private foundations.
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Macker Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:53:19pm |
re: #758 Killian Bundy
How can they possibly be serious about this abomination? Are the people who put this together on drugs or just enemies of this country?
Yes.
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stevieray Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:53:59pm |
re: #754 realwest
I thought the Bonus Army was demanding their bonuses 15 years early... they weren't due to be paid until (coincidentally) 1945.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:54:39pm |
re: #765 Afrocity
Good, because without history, we would wander aimlessly, and without art, life would not be as beautiful.
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JimmyTheClaw Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:55:07pm |
How to maintain A Healthy Level Of Insanity
1. At Lunch Time, Sit In Your Parked Car With Sunglasses on and point a Hair Dryer At Passing Cars. See If They Slow Down.
2. Page Yourself Over The Intercom. Don't DisguiseYour Voice!
3. Every Time Someone Asks You To Do Something, ask If They Want Fries with that.
4. Put Decaf In The Coffee Maker For 3 Weeks . Once Everyone has Gotten Over Their Caffeine Addictions, Switch to Espre sso.
5. In the Memo Field Of All Your Checks, Write ' For Marijuana'
6. Skip down the hall Rather Than Walk and see how many looks you get.
7. Order a Diet Water whenever you go out to eat, with a serious face.
8. Specify That Your Drive-through Order Is 'To Go'.
9. Sing Along At The Opera.
10. Five Days In Advance, Tell Your Friends You Can't Attend Their Party Because You have a headache..
11. When The Money Comes Out The ATM, Scream 'I Won! I Won!'
12. When Leaving the Zoo, Start Running towards the Parking lot, Yelling 'Run For Your Lives! They're Loose!'
13. Tell Your Children Over Dinner, 'Due To The Economy, We Are Going To Have To Let One Of You Go.'
And The Final Way To Keep A Healthy Level Of Insanity
14. PICK UP A BOX OF CONDOMS AT THE PHARMACY, GO TO THE COUNTER AND ASK WHERE THE FITTING ROOM IS.
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Scion9 Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:55:18pm |
re: #753 Cognito
I noted that the economists "regardless of political affiliation, can not find a clear way out of the mess we're in."
The onus is on you to prove that no economists regardless of their political affiliation can't find a clear way out of the mess we are in. Give us the examples of economists 'regardless of political affiliation' enacting their policies and then failing.
I assume you have some such examples of economists all gaining dictatorial control to enact their policies, and then admitting after the fact that their policies were abject failures and they could not find a clear way out of the mess we are in.
If you are in the driver seat, and someone is offering me directions and you disregard them and get lost finding my own way, that doesn't mean that a road connecting point of departure to destination does not exist and can't be found by anyone at all.
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mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:55:41pm |
re: #759 realwest
thanks real--i guess im just resentful that i am the only family member that visits her on a regular basis and takes her things she need-and listens to all her so-called complaints-she lives in "flo-world" always been self absorbed--i am running out of patience--sigh-----love ya guy-you da man!
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mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:57:05pm |
re: #761 Slumbering Behemoth
If you really want to get riled up, consider how folks who have never sacrificed shit for this country, and in some cases aren't even citizens of this country, get greater benefits from our gov't than our veterans do. It's shameful.
and its only going to get worse under the O
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Afrocity Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:57:41pm |
re: #768 Ojoe
Thanks Ojoe. It also means that we get to hire three people. I created jobs. Imagine that!
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Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:57:46pm |
re: #765 Afrocity
Hello guys. Been a busy day.
But got some good news.
We heard today that we got another grant to help the history and art museums. So far this year my team has raised $800,000 in funds. All from private foundations.
Congratulations!
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jcm Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:58:09pm |
re: #764 Dustyvet
But then there's the VA's dirty little secret which is located in the Bishop Whipple Federal Building in St. Paul, Minnesota. Veterans Administration Debt Management Service. Their collection tactics make the IRS look like Cub Scouts.
Sickening. What it should be is debt counseling etc.. get them back on their feet.
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realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:58:56pm |
re: #757 buzzsawmonkey
Hey Buzz - I think my memory is a little bit better, sorry,
On 28 July, 1932, Attorney General Mitchell ordered the police evacuation of the Bonus Army veterans, who resisted; the police shot at them, and killed two. When told of the killings, President Hoover ordered the U.S. Army to effect the evacuation of the Bonus Army from Washington, D.C.At 4:45 p.m., commanded by Gen. Douglas MacArthur, the 12th Infantry Regiment, Fort Howard, Maryland, and the 3rd Cavalry Regiment, supported by six battle tanks commanded by Maj. George S. Patton, Fort Myer, Virginia, formed in Pennsylvania Avenue while thousands of Civil Service employees left work to line the street and watch the U.S. Army attack its own veterans. The Bonus Marchers, believing the display was in their honour, cheered the troops until Maj. Patton charged the cavalry against them — an action which prompted the Civil Service employee spectators to yell, "Shame! Shame!"
After the cavalry charge, infantry, with fixed bayonets and adamsite gas, entered the Bonus Army camps, evicting veterans, families, and camp followers. The veterans fled across the Anacostia River, to their largest camp; President Hoover ordered the Army assault stopped, however, Gen. MacArthur—feeling this free-speech exercise was a Communist attempt at overthrowing the U.S. Government—ignored the President and ordered a new attack. Hundreds of veterans were injured, several were killed — including William Hushka and Eric Carlson; a veteran's wife miscarried; and many other veterans were hurt.
The Posse Comitatus Act — forbidding civilian police work by the U.S. military — did not apply to Washington, D.C., because it is the federal district directly governed by the U.S. Congress (U.S. Constitution, Article I. Section 8. Clause 17). The exemption was created because of an earlier "Bonus March". In 1781, most of the Continental Army was demobilised without pay, two years later, in 1783, hundreds of Pennsylvania war veterans marched on Philadelphia, surrounded the State House wherein Congress was in session, and demanded their pay. The U.S. Congress fled to Princeton, New Jersey, and, several weeks later, the U.S. Army expelled the war veterans back to home, out of the national capital.
An infant, Bernard Myers, later died in the hospital after the incident but reports indicated the death was not caused by the evacuation of the BEF.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
But it was still I THINK a shameful act on the part of our Government to treat those veterans that way.
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mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 9:59:21pm |
re: #765 Afrocity
Hello guys. Been a busy day.
But got some good news.
We heard today that we got another grant to help the history and art museums. So far this year my team has raised $800,000 in funds. All from private foundations.
and that helps the current economic situatuin how? artist wont starve now?
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Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:01:32pm |
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realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:01:56pm |
re: #762 jcm
Any veteran who suffered physical injury or illness deserves to be taken care of. An awful lot of "non-combat" types got injured by rocket and mortar fire and a helluva lot of them also got slammed by Agent Orange.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:01:59pm |
re: #776 realwest
MacArthur had an early start at ignoring the civilian CinC.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:02:46pm |
re: #770 Scion9
The onus is on you to prove that no economists regardless of their political affiliation can't find a clear way out of the mess we are in. Give us the examples of economists 'regardless of political affiliation' enacting their policies and then failing.
I assume you have some such examples of economists all gaining dictatorial control to enact their policies, and then admitting after the fact that their policies were abject failures and they could not find a clear way out of the mess we are in.
If you are in the driver seat, and someone is offering me directions and you disregard them and get lost finding my own way, that doesn't mean that a road connecting point of departure to destination does not exist and can't be found by anyone at all.
The important word there is 'clear.'
There are plenty of economists with ideas. But there's very little agreement among them.
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:02:51pm |
re: #776 realwest
Hey Buzz - I think my memory is a little bit better, sorry,
But it was still I THINK a shameful act on the part of our Government to treat those veterans that way.
Dug out Duggie riding down U S Veterans in a cavalry charge...class act.
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Afrocity Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:03:02pm |
re: #777 mikeymom
and that helps the current economic situatuin how? artist wont starve now?
I didn't write the grants to helP the economy. I did it to promote history and education. That is my job. One of the grants does help Phd students with research abroad for travel expenses and such. The money we raised is not from the federal government. We have also created jobs with this money.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:04:32pm |
re: #779 Cognito
Hey, wow, that guy's a force of nature.
If you've never seen his "Vote Reaper" video watch it. Funny as hell.
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mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:05:34pm |
re: #784 Afrocity
PHD students in what work? history and education in what?
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Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:05:40pm |
re: #785 Racer X
If you've never seen his "Vote Reaper" video watch it. Funny as hell.
Will do. Who is he?
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jcm Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:06:14pm |
re: #780 realwest
Any veteran who suffered physical injury or illness deserves to be taken care of. An awful lot of "non-combat" types got injured by rocket and mortar fire and a helluva lot of them also got slammed by Agent Orange.
No argument there. By combat, I'm thinking anyone in a theater, not just combat MOS.
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realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:06:45pm |
re: #767 stevieray
Uh, yes and no, stevieray! Some 3,662,374 military service certificates were issued, with a face value of $3.638 billion. Congress established a trust fund to receive 20 annual payments of $112 million that, with interest, would finance the $3.638 billion dollars owed to the veterans in 1945. Meanwhile, veterans could borrow up to 22.5% of the certificate's face value from the fund. In 1931, because of the Great Economic Depression, Congress increased the loan value to 50 per cent of the certificate's face value; yet, by April 1932, loans amounting to $1.248 billion dollars had been paid, leaving a $2.36-billion-dollar deficit. Although there was Congressional support for the immediate redemption (payment) of the military service certificates, President Hoover and Republican congressmen opposed that, because it would negatively affect the Federal Government's budget and Depression-relief programmes. Meanwhile, veterans organisations pressed the Federal Government to allow the early redemption of their military service certificates.
[emphasis added, realwest]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:07:23pm |
re: #780 realwest
Any veteran who suffered physical injury or illness deserves to be taken care of. An awful lot of "non-combat" types got injured by rocket and mortar fire and a helluva lot of them also got slammed by Agent Orange.
All of my husband's injuries were stateside. Some young man who didn't throw his grenade after pulling the pin caused injury to those nearby...that was in ITR training. It's quite probable that that incident caused the scar tissue in his brain and thus his adult onset hydrocephalus. Not to mention he got a stab wound from some Weather Underground members. They should give a medal for victims of domestic terrorism.
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Cognito Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:07:28pm |
re: #784 Afrocity
I didn't write the grants to helP the economy. I did it to promote history and education. That is my job. One of the grants does help Phd students with research abroad for travel expenses and such. The money we raised is not from the federal government. We have also created jobs with this money.
You don't owe an explanation for that. Good for you. When scholarship and drive meet it's a beautiful thing.
| 793 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:08:02pm |
re: #771 mikeymom
Thanks {mikemom} - these are surely trying times for you personally and I wish I could help out somehow.
| 794 |
Racer X Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:09:01pm |
re: #787 Cognito
He links to his web site if you want more info.
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mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:09:21pm |
re: #788 jcm
No argument there. By combat, I'm thinking anyone in a theater, not just combat MOS.
anyone see oprah today? i know i know--she visited walter reed and talked to vets-amputees there--some have been there 3 yrs undergoing surgeries and rehab--broke my heart-- she never said anything against the war--just thanked them all for their service and sacrifices
| 796 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:10:02pm |
re: #773 Afrocity Hey congratulations on the grants and for creating those jobs!
Maybe y'all ought to wander over to the White House (or Camp David or Hawii or wherever the hell he's "resting" now and tell President Obama about how you created those jobs!
| 797 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:11:04pm |
re: #760 Racer X
"Evaporative Economics", nice.
| 798 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:11:35pm |
re: #795 mikeymom
anyone see oprah today? i know i know--she visited walter reed and talked to vets-amputees there--some have been there 3 yrs undergoing surgeries and rehab--broke my heart-- she never said anything against the war--just thanked them all for their service and sacrifices
I don't watch her show but bless her heart for that and God Bless those American's who gave so much.
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Afrocity Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:13:50pm |
re: #791 Cognito
You don't owe an explanation for that. Good for you. When scholarship and drive meet it's a beautiful thing.
Thanks cognito. With the economy as such, there is not really much support for graduate students in the social sciences. For our fellowship we received so many good applications that it will be difficult to narrow it down.
| 800 |
Racer X Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:13:53pm |
re: #797 Slumbering Behemoth
"Evaporative Economics", nice.
I liked this quote:
You know why the government has no money?
Because you have no money.You know why you have no money?
Because the government vaporized it.
| 801 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:14:42pm |
re: #777 mikeymom
Mikeymom - respectfully, you are under a lot of stress right now, but that was unfairly mean-spirited to Afrocity - she raised that money from private charities, not from the taxpayers and she helped 3 people get jobs today.
Seriously, I think that comment was based on your understandable strain and fear and you should apologize to Afrocity.
| 802 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:16:07pm |
re: #781 jaunte
Yeah, that's true my friend - Mac had a way of disregarding the US Constituion (and violating his oath) when it suited him.
| 803 |
Afrocity Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:17:02pm |
re: #796 realwest
Hey congratulations on the grants and for creating those jobs!
Maybe y'all ought to wander over to the White House (or Camp David or Hawii or wherever the hell he's "resting" now and tell President Obama about how you created those jobs!
That is the best part about it. All of the people we are hiring have been unemployed for over a year.
| 804 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:17:28pm |
re: #783 Dustyvet
Hi Dusty - couldn't agree more, it was definitely a LOW CLASS act.
And boy are you right about the VA!
How are you doing tonight my friend?
| 805 |
mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:17:30pm |
re: #798 Pvt Bin Jammin
and--she asked a few--"would you do it again" and every one said--"yes, maam" i pray for them all every night--20,30 and 40 yr old guys missing limbs--i just hope our CIC has their courage, and heart and conviction that the USA is the greatest country in the world.
| 806 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:19:10pm |
re: #803 Afrocity
That is the best part about it. All of the people we are hiring have been unemployed for over a year.
That's so great! It must be tough to be in that kind of a field these days.
| 807 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:19:45pm |
I've been thinking about the Jindal speech some more, and tonight's CPAC feed-
What concerns me about what I'm seeing right now in the party is reaction. Reacting to the catchy mantras of the left by trying to create our own. Reactions in the post stimulus discussion. I don't want to be seeing reaction. Rather, we need a counteraction. A counteraction that's both true to our fiscal ideals as a party as well as one that will offer the electorate a real alternative. In my mind there is a distinction, and it's this distinction I feel is lacking in the GOP this week.
| 808 |
Racer X Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:20:22pm |
re: #803 Afrocity
I just made a guy an offer yesterday. Best part of my job.
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mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:20:35pm |
re: #801 realwest
you are right and sorry afro--i guess any jobscreated in any field right now are welcomed--
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:20:42pm |
re: #805 mikeymom
and--she asked a few--"would you do it again" and every one said--"yes, maam" i pray for them all every night--20,30 and 40 yr old guys missing limbs--i just hope our CIC has their courage, and heart and conviction that the USA is the greatest country in the world.
I wish I would have seen the show. I'm getting teary-eyed just thinking about it.
| 811 |
Dustyvet Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:20:43pm |
re: #802 realwest
Yeah, that's true my friend - Mac had a way of disregarding the US Constituion (and violating his oath) when it suited him.
Disgusted and disillusioned by MacArthur's absence from the front lines, the failure of promised relief, and MacArthur's retention of adequate food for himself and others on Corregidor, his starving troops on Bataan coined this derisive verse. The title "Dugout Doug" attached itself to MacArthur behind his back for the rest of the war.
| 812 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:21:03pm |
re: #790 Pvt Bin Jammin
Hey PBJ - I'm soo sorry to hear about what happened to your husband, and I meant no disrespect with my comment, at all.
If he was injured while in the Service of this Nation, it doesn't really matter where he was when he was injured. Did the government do the right thing by him?
| 813 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:21:07pm |
re: #807 Sharmuta
What concerns me about what I'm seeing right now in the party is reaction. Reacting to the catchy mantras of the left by trying to create our own. Reactions in the post stimulus discussion. I don't want to be seeing reaction. Rather, we need a counteraction. A counteraction that's both true to our fiscal ideals as a party as well as one that will offer the electorate a real alternative. In my mind there is a distinction, and it's this distinction I feel is lacking in the GOP this week.
Quoted because it bears repeating.
| 815 |
SFGoth Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:23:04pm |
Anyone read Geert Wilders's speech in N.Y.? Wow. All I have to say is that I was riveted. Certainly doesn't sound like a neo-nazi/fascist to me.
| 816 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:23:43pm |
Sorry- I'm in a strange mood tonight. I cherish my dings from Killgore. They're hard to come by.
| 817 |
mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:24:28pm |
re: #810 Pvt Bin Jammin
maybe on oprah. com? dont know-never been--but it was worth watching--bring kleenex
| 818 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:24:47pm |
re: #792 buzzsawmonkey
Buzz, I've seen black and white film of that charge and it was indeed carried out on the mall; whether more or less damange was done elsewhere doesn't really matter, does it? No matter where it started or ended, as far as I'm concerned, it was a SHAMEFUL way for our government to treat those veterans and their families.
I do hope you agree with that.
| 819 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:25:00pm |
re: #806 Pvt Bin Jammin
That's so great! It must be tough to be in that kind of a field these days.
Yep.
| 820 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:25:00pm |
re: #815 SFGoth
Uhhh....there's some nuance to what Geert is saying. It's not what it seems to be.
| 821 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:25:51pm |
re: #816 Sharmuta
That was very well said. It's the crux of the biscuit.
| 822 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:26:24pm |
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Racer X Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:27:18pm |
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:27:42pm |
re: #812 realwest
I know you didn't mean any disrespect. He's never yet used the VA. Just got it taken care of under our Blue Cross but he might have to use the VA in the future. The impact of that explosion was the closest thing he ever had to brain injury, so it's quite probably that is what caused it. Worrying about his upcoming spinal surgery now, on the neck. We just recently found out they go in through the front of the neck. Eeeew. Kind of scary.
| 827 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:28:52pm |
re: #815 SFGoth Do you have a link to a transcript of his speech?
| 829 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:29:01pm |
re: #822 Walter L. Newton
"The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe"
| 830 |
SFGoth Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:29:23pm |
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Afrocity Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:29:34pm |
re: #819 Walter L. Newton
Walter I thought about you today. I was reviewing fellowship applications and one candidate requested money to produce a play about a theater set designer in Colorado. I am not kidding. He wanted money to have three readings and to travel to NYC to study in the Shubert theater archives.
| 832 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:29:50pm |
re: #821 Killgore Trout
I'm cautious, but I'm looking forward to seeing what Mr. Steele can do for the party. He seems nice and personable thus far- I like his humor, and energy. We'll see how it goes.
But until we address the foundation, the rest of the house will still be shaky.
| 833 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:30:06pm |
re: #819 Walter L. Newton
Yep.
I just wonder where those stimulus funds that are allocated to the NEA will go. I'm sure your playhouse or our symphony orchestra will not see a dime.
| 834 |
mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:30:27pm |
re: #825 Pvt Bin Jammin
I know you didn't mean any disrespect. He's never yet used the VA. Just got it taken care of under our Blue Cross but he might have to use the VA in the future. The impact of that explosion was the closest thing he ever had to brain injury, so it's quite probably that is what caused it. Worrying about his upcoming spinal surgery now, on the neck. We just recently found out they go in through the front of the neck. Eeeew. Kind of scary.
ONG--prayers to you all--will you keep is posted, please?
| 835 |
itellu3times Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:32:17pm |
re: #807 Sharmuta
I've been thinking about the Jindal speech some more, and tonight's CPAC feed-
What concerns me about what I'm seeing right now in the party is reaction. Reacting to the catchy mantras of the left by trying to create our own. Reactions in the post stimulus discussion. I don't want to be seeing reaction. Rather, we need a counteraction. A counteraction that's both true to our fiscal ideals as a party as well as one that will offer the electorate a real alternative. In my mind there is a distinction, and it's this distinction I feel is lacking in the GOP this week.
Even Reagan was more counteraction than pro-anything. That's a tough sell anytime. Republicans need to be pro-something. Energy independence. Space program. National health care. Yes, I said that. I think the time has come - would have come in 1994, if Hillary wasn't such a stupid bitch. Bob Dole, minority leader and then majority leader, as all for it. Those were simpler times. Some combination of insurance, public facilities, none of the voodoo that Obama is throwing at it, as if throwing federal money at electronic record keeping was at all sensible. Anyway, how about a pro-science Republican party. Pro-science careers - kill the H-1B programs entirely. Raise the salaries for scientists and engineers, that's how to use market forces. Stuff like that.
| 836 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:33:51pm |
re: #834 mikeymom
Thanks. He hasn't scheduled it yet but if our employee's wife can take her vacation at the time he and we want to take it, it'll be early April. It'll be a "discectomy". LOL Bless his heart, he keeps making jokes about it.
| 838 |
Racer X Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:34:18pm |
Angel Obama
A carnival float depicting a flying U.S. President Obama with Europe being dragged along is seen during the traditional carnival parade in Duesseldorf, Germany, on Monday
NOW they love us!
| 839 |
SFGoth Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:35:15pm |
I'll be for national health care when Americans start eating right and exercising. In other words, I'll never be for it.
| 840 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:35:20pm |
re: #815 SFGoth
Muslims are not covered by Geert's version of the "1st amendment". They will not have free speech, freedom of religion and the Quran will still be outlawed after Geert repeals hate speech laws. Also it's important to note that although Ayaan Hirsi Ali still supports his right to free speech she still opposes him.
| 842 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:35:39pm |
re: #422 Mich-again
Then how about a hamster in a cage vs a field mouse.
Hmmm. Water bottle, cedar shavings, and all the tasty nuggets you can eat, or getting chomped on by a hawk?
Cedar shavings to the people!
| 843 |
itellu3times Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:35:42pm |
re: #837 Sharmuta
We should be pro-fiscal reform.
Yes, for honesty, too, motherhood and apple pie, but we need something more tangible, larger, more "edgy". Something only a great country can do.
| 844 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:36:54pm |
re: #841 Sharmuta
OMG- what's with the chick behind him?
I wonder who in the heck it's supposed to be?
| 845 |
SFGoth Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:37:24pm |
re: #840 Killgore Trout
[Video]Muslims are not covered by Geert's version of the "1st amendment". They will not have free speech, freedom of religion and the Quran will still be outlawed after Geert repeals hate speech laws. Also it's important to note that although Ayaan Hirsi Ali still supports his right to free speech she still opposes him.
HE can't outlaw anything. Isn't "Mein Kampf" outlawed in Germany? How exactly do you allow Islam to flourish yet protect the West against it?
| 846 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:37:33pm |
re: #831 Afrocity
Walter I thought about you today. I was reviewing fellowship applications and one candidate requested money to produce a play about a theater set designer in Colorado. I am not kidding. He wanted money to have three readings and to travel to NYC to study in the Shubert theater archives.
And I bet the subject of the possible play was Henry Lowenstein. Not to name drop, but Henry is a good friend of mine. He even was at my wedding, many years ago. He is considered the grandfather of theatre in the Denver area.
He is also one of the kinderkids, the children that were smuggled out of Germany in the late 30's to be placed in foster care in England.
Who is the playwright (if that's public info)
| 847 |
Racer X Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:37:45pm |
Argentina calls CIA comment "irresponsible"
Argentina on Thursday blasted the head of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency for saying the country, along with Ecuador and Venezuela, could be pushed into instability by the global economic crisis.
Lumping Argentina together with Ecuador and Venezuela, both led by leftist anti-Washington firebrands, raises concern in this country, where center-left President Cristina Kirchner is trying to keep the economy from stagnating.
Foreign Minister Jorge Taiana called the comments made on Wednesday by CIA Director Leon Panetta "unfounded and irresponsible, especially from an agency that has a sad history of meddling in the affairs of countries in the region."
Taiana said he will meet on Friday with U.S. Ambassador Earl Anthony Wayne to demand an explanation.
| 848 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:37:46pm |
re: #844 Pvt Bin Jammin
I wonder who in the heck it's supposed to be?
It's kind of suggestive, I thought.
| 849 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:37:54pm |
re: #833 Pvt Bin Jammin
I just wonder where those stimulus funds that are allocated to the NEA will go. I'm sure your playhouse or our symphony orchestra will not see a dime.
Nope.
| 850 |
mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:38:34pm |
re: #831 Afrocity
Walter I thought about you today. I was reviewing fellowship applications and one candidate requested money to produce a play about a theater set designer in Colorado. I am not kidding. He wanted money to have three readings and to travel to NYC to study in the Shubert theater archives.
see--i'm sorry-- iwas chastised earlier--but is this taxpayers money? the arts would be way down on my list--downdings i know
| 851 |
Racer X Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:38:43pm |
| 852 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:38:52pm |
re: #843 itellu3times
In this fiscal mess, I think spending reform is edgy enough.
| 853 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:39:11pm |
re: #824 mikeymom
walter--was tonight dress rehearsal?
Wonderful, you really need to check out this show. Freud the atheist and a visit by "?" a few weeks before he leaves Vienna.
| 854 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:40:06pm |
re: #850 mikeymom
see--i'm sorry-- iwas chastised earlier--but is this taxpayers money? the arts would be way down on my list--downdings i know
I think her comment above said it was private money, endowments or something like that.
| 855 |
mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:40:16pm |
re: #836 Pvt Bin Jammin
Thanks. He hasn't scheduled it yet but if our employee's wife can take her vacation at the time he and we want to take it, it'll be early April. It'll be a "discectomy". LOL Bless his heart, he keeps making jokes about it.
been there done that--it is "easy"--again, prayers
| 856 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:40:21pm |
| 857 |
Cheechako Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:41:19pm |
I have a question for the Constitutional Scholars on LGF. I've looked everywhere but I can't find an answer to the following:
The Stimulus Bill specifies that if a State Governor turns down any or all of the stimulus funds then the State Legislature would be allowed to go ahead and request and spend stimulus funding.
Is this allowed by the "State Rights" provisions of the Constitution?
Can anyone answer this question?
| 858 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:41:57pm |
re: #829 Killgore Trout
"The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe"
You missed what my comment was about. I asked "a fish biscuit?" The fish biscuits that Sawyer was getting to eat in the polar bear cage.
| 859 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:42:38pm |
re: #855 mikeymom
been there done that--it is "easy"--again, prayers
The doc said it's the most common thing he does and he seems like he's a great surgeon. Thanks so much.
How's that cat of yours? Had to give him any baths lately? LOL
| 860 |
Afrocity Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:42:46pm |
re: #846 Walter L. Newton
And I bet the subject of the possible play was Henry Lowenstein. Not to name drop, but Henry is a good friend of mine. He even was at my wedding, many years ago. He is considered the grandfather of theatre in the Denver area.
He is also one of the kinderkids, the children that were smuggled out of Germany in the late 30's to be placed in foster care in England.
Who is the playwright (if that's public info)
You are correct Walter. The candidate did most of his research at the Denver Public Library where they have Lowenstein's personal papers. The play has a flashback which involves WWII.
I can't tell you who the candidate is. His phd is n theater.
| 861 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:43:08pm |
re: #845 SFGoth
How exactly do you allow Islam to flourish yet protect the West against it?
We have freedom of religion and freedom of speech in America. We can say and worship all kinds of evil shit. How do we protect against the Klan? We let them speak and march and make asses of themselves. How does Geert plan to protect Europe? By arresting people for owning a book? Praying in their homes? What happens when Geert is gone? Who's religion is next? Which books are next?
The government has no place in banning books or religious practice. I know that many conservatives don't agree with this but a free society depends on it.
| 862 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:44:12pm |
re: #832 Sharmuta
Hi Sharm - if you get a chance, please read my #742
about Michale Steele.
| 863 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:44:14pm |
re: #858 Walter L. Newton
You missed what my comment was about. I asked "a fish biscuit?" The fish biscuits that Sawyer was getting to eat in the polar bear cage.
Ha! As I recall he was bragging about figuring it out quicker than the bears. Very funny scene.
| 865 |
itellu3times Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:45:02pm |
re: #852 Sharmuta
In this fiscal mess, I think spending reform is edgy enough.
Come on now, what does that even mean?
Anyway, X reform is politically boring, no matter how virtuous it might be. Isn't Obama all about "spending reform"? After, y'know, that gigantic deficit he inherited? After Bush and Cheney and the Republicans had things their own way for the last fifty years?
I'm very much afraid that we are doomed to have much more government involvement, federal government involvement, in many areas of the economy and life. This can be good news, that we CAN do things like national health care. So, let's do it *right*. Vote for Republicans as better managers.
| 866 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:45:41pm |
Sawyer wins a fish biscuit
| 868 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:46:59pm |
re: #860 Afrocity
You are correct Walter. The candidate did most of his research at the Denver Public Library where they have Lowenstein's personal papers. The play has a flashback which involves WWII.
I can't tell you who the candidate is. His phd is n theater.
Interesting. I have 4 plays that have been done in the Denver area, two reviewed by Variety, a number of award nominations and wins and I never had to ask anyone for money to write the plays.
I even spent 3 weeks in Poland for one of my works, on my own dime, so I could spend time at a certain persons archive.
And I don't have a PHD in anything. Never even went to college or anything like that.
I must be doing something wrong?
| 869 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:48:05pm |
re: #865 itellu3times
After the spending spree that began with TARP 1 and now this week it's almost a mute point to think about spending controls let alone from the minority party. By the time the year is over I think we might be looking at 30 years of debt. The only way would be to reverse the legislation. Federal mandates rarely have sunset clauses.
| 870 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:48:18pm |
re: #568 stevieray
I think he was worried about the future more than the present. He didn't want slavery to be a foundational right of the new republic... he saw it as a shameful, but temporary necessity. He freed his slaves upon his death, if memory serves.
A bit late, to be sure... even founding fathers can have feet of clay.
There was also quite a bit of conflict amongst the Founders on the subject. Jefferson was ambivalent, as were many of the Virginians--clear-sighted about the evils of the system, but not willing or able to dismantle it.
Franklin was an anti-slavery activist for the last several decades of his life, and the Adamses were staunch anti-slavery folks. There's a letter from Abigail to John where she expresses fear that God will not the colonies succeed because they have tolerated slavery.
| 871 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:49:13pm |
re: #861 Killgore Trout
Hey Killgore - just for the record, I'm one conservative who believes that the government has no place in banning books or religious practice.
And I'm proud to stand by what Thomas Jefferson said (rough approximation, but accurate) "I would rather that all manner of speech and press be free and unfettered and that in the Marketplace of ideas, I trust the American people to chose the wisest of those in the Marketplace of ideas."
| 872 |
Afrocity Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:49:30pm |
re: #850 mikeymom
see--i'm sorry-- iwas chastised earlier--but is this taxpayers money? the arts would be way down on my list--downdings i know
Mikey mom the money is from private foundations but I am writing a NEH and IMLS grant now that are due in late '09. The money has been allocated to those agencies already. Someone is going to apply for them and be awarded the money. I use our funds to private research support, training, and we also create career paths and workshops for K-12 children. I left a well paying, cushy job to take my present one because I felt my former employee did nothing to help students and the community. I also don't want museums and libraries to close down. I have seen it happen to two in Chicago
| 873 |
itellu3times Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:50:08pm |
| 874 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:50:49pm |
re: #871 realwest
I agree. Geert is not a conservative. He's a book banning, anti-freedom douche with wacky hair.
| 875 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:51:10pm |
re: #621 Sharmuta
Me too- maybe we're related!
And both of you may be related to my husband...any other Cherokee lizards?
| 876 |
mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:51:39pm |
re: #859 Pvt Bin Jammin
The doc said it's the most common thing he does and he seems like he's a great surgeon. Thanks so much.
How's that cat of yours? Had to give him any baths lately? LOL
ummm--mikey is a 22 lb nasty maine coon and in his 14 yrs with me has never had a bath-my sis had him on the show circuit when he was a kitten--had many show show baths then-- i value my hands to much to attempt one now--besides, he is a fastidious gentlman now--always licking--and gives me a hairball predent once a wwk!
| 877 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:51:49pm |
re: #874 Killgore Trout
I agree. Geert is not a conservative. He's a book banning, anti-freedom douche with wacky hair.
Fine, you're a wacky hair bigot?
/
| 878 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:51:57pm |
re: #874 Killgore Trout
I agree. Geert is not a conservative. He's a book banning, anti-freedom douche with wacky hair.
How much does Wilders make? Does he have a salary of sorts? Trust fund? Contributions?
| 879 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:52:07pm |
re: #873 itellu3times
That's lovely I'm sure, but how do you put that on a bumper sticker? Can you get marching bands and cheering throngs, for zero-based accounting?
Hey- I came up with an idea. Someone else can think up a slogan.
| 880 |
Afrocity Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:53:31pm |
re: #868 Walter L. Newton
Interesting. I have 4 plays that have been done in the Denver area, two reviewed by Variety, a number of award nominations and wins and I never had to ask anyone for money to write the plays.
I even spent 3 weeks in Poland for one of my works, on my own dime, so I could spend time at a certain persons archive.
And I don't have a PHD in anything. Never even went to college or anything like that.
I must be doing something wrong?
Walter there are fellowships you can apply for. You could have applied for the one i just offered the only catch is that you have to do some of your research in Chicago. We would have called you an "artist in residence" meaning you are fine at your craft but w/o the letters after your name. We fought hard to get money for those like you. The Phd's did not like it but my team felt that everyone does not take the same path to achieve their goals as an artist.
| 881 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:54:39pm |
| 882 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:55:07pm |
re: #874 Killgore Trout
Yes, and I fear that there are lots of scoundrels masquerading as "conservatives" these days besides Geert.
| 884 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:56:39pm |
re: #876 mikeymom
ummm--mikey is a 22 lb nasty maine coon and in his 14 yrs with me has never had a bath-my sis had him on the show circuit when he was a kitten--had many show show baths then-- i value my hands to much to attempt one now--besides, he is a fastidious gentlman now--always licking--and gives me a hairball predent once a wwk!
I thought I remembered that he had had a bath at some time. LOL I always kinda wanted a Maine Coon Cat. Wouldn't want to bathe one either.
| 885 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:57:03pm |
re: #875 SanFranciscoZionist
And both of you may be related to my husband...any other Cherokee lizards?
You never know. My dad invited a co-worker over for dinner one night, long ago. Our guest was examining our extensively researched family tree before dinner, and when he got home later, he called back to confirm a suspicion he had- he had matched a name off our tree to his. He's a distant cousin!
Hey- I think it's cool Fist and I are maybe related. Iron Fist and the Smurf- who'd have thunk it?
| 886 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:57:28pm |
re: #883 Killgore Trout
'Nite, Kilgore, sweet dreams.
| 887 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:59:14pm |
re: #880 Afrocity
Walter there are fellowships you can apply for. You could have applied for the one i just offered the only catch is that you have to do some of your research in Chicago. We would have called you an "artist in residence" meaning you are fine at your craft but w/o the letters after your name. We fought hard to get money for those like you. The Phd's did not like it but my team felt that everyone does not take the same path to achieve their goals as an artist.
I think you missed my point. I'm not interested in being "commissioned" or support by those funds.
If I have something to say on paper, in hopes that it will eventually be said on stage, I can write it myself, research it myself and promote it myself.
If the product is good enough, then at some point there will be a producer that will pick it up.
There's to much politics the moment one takes money from certain sources.
And in general, many of the "writers" I meet look down on me because I've done so much of this on my own, without all the alphabet after my name.
Did I clarify it for you?
| 888 |
realwest Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:00:01pm |
Well y'all, I gotta go and try to at least get some sleep, and hope this seriousy pain is gone or at least abated by morning.
Would any of you here, if you are on the DT tomorrow morning, please be kind enough - if I don't show up - to just tell folks I'm not gonna be around tomorrow?
I'd appreciate it very much.
In the meantime, I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I DO get the chance to see you all down the road.
| 889 |
mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:00:32pm |
re: #884 Pvt Bin Jammin
I thought I remembered that he had had a bath at some time. LOL I always kinda wanted a Maine Coon Cat. Wouldn't want to bathe one either.
dont want to bogart the yhread again--but most cats dont need to be bathed--they do it them selves unlike dirty nasty dogs! parrots also groom themselves, right walter?
| 892 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:02:33pm |
re: #888 realwest
I sure hope you feel better, Realwest. You'll be here in the morning, I'm sure of it. Will be keeping you in my thoughts and prayers.
| 893 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:06:08pm |
Dunno if anyone else here is an Achinoam Nini fan, but she and an Israeli/Arab actress/singer named Mira Awad are going to represent Israel together at the Eurovision contest.
Awad's coming under some pressure not to go, but so far she seems to be pretty signed on.
| 894 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:06:38pm |
re: #888 realwest
If that pain gets worse you'd better promise us to go to the ER tonight. M'kay?
| 895 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:07:09pm |
re: #889 mikeymom
dont want to bogart the yhread again--but most cats dont need to be bathed--they do it them selves unlike dirty nasty dogs! parrots also groom themselves, right walter?
Yes they do. And I spray Maisey with a spray bottle and sometimes I put her in the shower and she prances around the overspray from the shower.
| 896 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:07:11pm |
re: #893 SanFranciscoZionist
and an Israeli/Arab actress/singer named Mira Awad
Uh, that should be "Israeli Arab actress/singer". I got carried away with my slashes.
| 897 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:08:08pm |
re: #894 Pvt Bin Jammin
If that pain gets worse you'd better promise us to go to the ER tonight. M'kay?
Ditto, ditto.
| 898 |
Afrocity Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:09:35pm |
re: #887 Walter L. Newton
We stay out of our applicants lives. Our archives get promoted by their usage and they get some relief with travel funding, lodging. This person doing the play I mentioned earlier basically has no money to travel to the archives, we will provide it should he be selected. For the readings he needs to hire actors and costume, etc. If he is not selected then I suppose he will have to wait until he gets the money or will have to alter his dissertation to exclude the research.
I never took money for school, especially not minority scholarship money. But my favorite summer was one where I got a Yale Fellowship to work with rare books. $3500 for 3 months, I lived in a hole, eating mostly ramen noodles. I am greatful for it
| 899 |
mikeymom Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:12:50pm |
re: #895 Walter L. Newton
i would like to see that--err--maisey that is--lol--not you in the shower with that, i say adieu--be well all lizards and blessing to all!
| 900 |
SFGoth Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:13:19pm |
re: #861 Killgore Trout
We have freedom of religion and freedom of speech in America. We can say and worship all kinds of evil shit. How do we protect against the Klan? We let them speak and march and make asses of themselves. How does Geert plan to protect Europe? By arresting people for owning a book? Praying in their homes? What happens when Geert is gone? Who's religion is next? Which books are next?
The government has no place in banning books or religious practice. I know that many conservatives don't agree with this but a free society depends on it.
So suppose we have a Jewish president and a Muslim advocates -- directly from the Koran -- that he be killed, your solution is to mock him. Ok. Societies and freedoms are always in flux, that's why people must be vigilant. You are aware that the Civil Rights Act of 1871 was called the KKK Act and was designed to essentially prevent it from exercising its raison de etre. (Pardon my French, literally.) We outlaw inciting to riot. I understand your sentiment, but I think Islam is fairly sui generis. I don't agree with outlawing it per se, but Wilders does serve the useful function of moving the center of gravity towards the center from the left. "The government has no place in banning books or religious practice." Groovy, so when that practice calls for rape as a religious ritual? Don't lump radical Muslims in with nice Presbyterians.
| 901 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:13:42pm |
re: #899 mikeymom
"Nite, Mikey. Have a great day tomorrow!
| 902 |
SFGoth Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:14:36pm |
re: #869 Gus 802
After the spending spree that began with TARP 1 and now this week it's almost a mute point to think about spending controls let alone from the minority party. By the time the year is over I think we might be looking at 30 years of debt. The only way would be to reverse the legislation. Federal mandates rarely have sunset clauses.
GAHHHHH -- it's not MUTE, it's MOOT. A mute point is one that cannot be heard, not one that's irrelevant.
| 904 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:16:18pm |
re: #902 SFGoth
GAHHHHH -- it's not MUTE, it's MOOT. A mute point is one that cannot be heard, not one that's irrelevant.
I figured as much. I was thinking about that while typing but was too lazy to check. Since I can't edit my post I think it's fair to say that this point is moot.
| 905 |
SFGoth Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:18:22pm |
re: #904 Gus 802
I figured as much. I was thinking about that while typing but was too lazy to check. Since I can't edit my post I think it's fair to say that this point is moot.
Glad you caught it but a lot of people don't know the difference (since they're taught to feel, not to read, in school). It's like when their favorite team "looses". GAHHHH. Friggin' liberals dumbin' down the masses to pave the way for Salvation.
| 907 |
Gus Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:21:40pm |
re: #905 SFGoth
Glad you caught it but a lot of people don't know the difference (since they're taught to feel, not to read, in school). It's like when their favorite team "looses". GAHHHH. Friggin' liberals dumbin' down the masses to pave the way for Salvation.
Yes. I used to be better at checking but been feeling under the weather for the past two years. I do get a chuckle when I see people write "alot" instead of "a lot." Another one is when people will mix up "loose" with "lose" or "shoot" with "shot." Then there's the it's vs. its which is sometimes a matter of habit and can be fixed by looking over the writing or typing.
| 908 |
Sharmuta Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:30:29pm |
re: #906 Iron Fist
It's a small world. I had a former co-worker tell me he was part Cherokee, and we had a similar, "maybe we're related!" conversation. After that, we started calling each other "Cuz", which got interesting looks since he's black and I'm about as white as they come.
| 909 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 26, 2009 11:43:07pm |
re: #900 SFGoth
I understand your sentiment, but I think Islam is fairly sui generis. I don't agree with outlawing it per se, but Wilders does serve the useful function of moving the center of gravity towards the center from the left. "The government has no place in banning books or religious practice." Groovy, so when that practice calls for rape as a religious ritual? Don't lump radical Muslims in with nice Presbyterians.
I don't get the impression, from what I have read of him, that Wilders acknowledges that there is any Islam but that of the psychopath. Assuming that nice Muslims and nice Presbyterians are not our problem--those who are a problem will be dealt with by the rule of law.
When fringe Christians kill their children in religious rituals--that occasional exorcism gone horribly wrong--we arrest and prosecute them.
If a Muslim advocates killing President Lieberman, the Secret Service will do their thing.
This is our way of life. If we want to preserve it, we need to remind ourselves that we don't outlaw religions.
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theheat Fri, Feb 27, 2009 12:04:51am |
I only caught the tail end of the CPAC stream (been down the stinking flu all stinking day). Was the Michael Steele introduction really as awkward to watch as it was to read?
I've had my ears up about this guy lately, and I like some of his ideas, but his announcements about the whole hip-hop appeal and "getting [the GOP] on the web" came across like haymakers, IMHO.
I don't necessarily think they aren't bad ideas, I just think the way they've been introduced is very inelegant and clumsy i.e. a tiny bit embarrassing. Sort of like Pat Boone dressed up like Rob Halford, then loudly proclaiming, "See how hip I be?!"
Sigh.
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:19:06am |
re: #807 Sharmuta
I've been thinking about the Jindal speech some more, and tonight's CPAC feed-
What concerns me about what I'm seeing right now in the party is reaction. Reacting to the catchy mantras of the left by trying to create our own. Reactions in the post stimulus discussion. I don't want to be seeing reaction. Rather, we need a counteraction. A counteraction that's both true to our fiscal ideals as a party as well as one that will offer the electorate a real alternative. In my mind there is a distinction, and it's this distinction I feel is lacking in the GOP this week.
Hi Sharm...
[Link: rncroots.org...]
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mph Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:19:35am |
Kejda and I are headed down there tomorrow to see the Pajamas presentations (we'll pass on the Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo CPAC "Youth for Western Civilization Inaugural Reception" though). Anyone else going to be there, by chance?
Oh man, look at this logo:
[Link: www.facebook.com...]
(and look at the top "related group" - "European Nationalism")
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 27, 2009 6:29:26am |
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Sharmuta Fri, Feb 27, 2009 7:59:21am |
re: #910 Iron Fist
My senior year of high school I worked as civillian attached personel with a local Marine Corp reserve tank platoon. I wasn't a Marine, as I never did boot camp, and I'm not claiming to be a marine. Anyway, there was one of the Laance Corporals that used to call me her little brother, but, at the time at least, the Marines were the best example of a truly integrated organization where skin color is simply not an issue. So the fact that she was black and I was, nominally, white simply was unremarkable.
Which is the way it should be.
I had zero problem being maybe related to the young man- he's a great guy. I just remember he and I being laughed at by a misogynistic bigot who thought the idea was quite ridiculous that a white girl and a black guy could be related through a native tribe's blood. See you later, Cousin Fist. :D
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