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I’ll bet my badge that we haven’t seen the last of those weirdies.
— Lieutenant John Harper, Plan 9 From Outer Space
979 comments
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:31:56pm |
I'll bet we haven't seen the last of those weirdoes, or my name isn't Derek Jeter....
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BatGuano Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:37:23pm |
I saw that movie when I was 8. I loved the high production values.
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Gus Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:37:54pm |
I have yet begun... to see the weirdies.
// Sonambulating.
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srb1976 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:37:57pm |
I just went in to check on the Little Man, and he is curled up with both puppies, like they were all littermates.....too bad it's too dark to get a picture, cutest sight ever!
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:39:40pm |
I had something SO clever to post, but LGF made me log in & now I forget.
SOB!
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JacksonTn Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:40:42pm |
Okay ... I get it on the last thread ... no friggin answers to my questions ... you put it out there but no reply ...
Where is the bogarting rational on the Black Liberation and Catholicism ...
How do you know all right-wing politicians wives support pro-abortion ...
yeah, I get it ...
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:42:00pm |
re: #5 Floral Giraffe
Is there anything I can do to jog your memory, argyle anteater?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:43:16pm |
JacksonTn, you have done some kinda HEROIC battling today! Thanks for your service!
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Gus Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:43:25pm |
re: #5 Floral Giraffe
I had something SO clever to post, but LGF made me log in & now I forget.
SOB!
You'll remember after you brush your teeth and almost put the toothpaste in a kitchen cabinet and put the toaster in the refrigerator.
//
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amphibian Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:43:52pm |
Badges? We don't have no badges. We don't need no steenkin' badges!
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:44:02pm |
Boston Beans? Couldn't hurt.....
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srb1976 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:45:42pm |
re: #6 JacksonTn
I got nothin' I really don't get the whole Liberation theology is based on catholicism.. I'm not a catholic but my very beat childhood friend is and I never caught a whiff of anything like that @ any of the services I went to with her
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Gus Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:46:40pm |
re: #4 srb1976
I just went in to check on the Little Man, and he is curled up with both puppies, like they were all littermates.....too bad it's too dark to get a picture, cutest sight ever!
Sometimes you can get a picture with a digital camera without flash if you use a tripod. Of course the subject can't move. Also push up the ASA setting -- a high of 400 ASA should be there. Also sneak in a lamp.
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srb1976 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:46:42pm |
re: #11 Floral Giraffe
Boston Beans? Couldn't hurt.....
I don't have boston beans but I got Soda Shop mix jelly bellys
Want some?
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srb1976 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:47:23pm |
re: #13 Gus 802
Sometimes you can get a picture with a digital camera without flash if you use a tripod. Of course the subject can't move. Also push up the ASA setting -- a high of 400 ASA should be there. Also sneak in a lamp.
Somehow I doubt he would sleep through the set-up....but thanks = )
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:48:40pm |
re: #14 srb1976
Soda Pop and Pop Rocks? Sounds awesome!
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:48:48pm |
re: #14 srb1976
Jelly Belly's could just possibly be the savior of the world. The Turtles will be discussing it in the near future......
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srb1976 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:49:48pm |
re: #17 Floral Giraffe
Jelly Belly's could just possibly be the savior of the world. The Turtles will be discussing it in the near future......
I'm betting it will be the Soda Shop mix....7-Up flavored jelly beans...yum!
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Gus Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:50:37pm |
re: #15 srb1976
Somehow I doubt he would sleep through the set-up....but thanks = )
OK. Light sleeper.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:52:24pm |
I would like some tasty jelly beans. Yum, sugar. BUT, they stick to al of the porcelain repairs allready in my mouth. So, I abstain. I woul dlike them, if I could......
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srb1976 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:53:13pm |
re: #19 Gus 802
OK. Light sleeper.
Unless it's time to get up = )
He's 4 & I can't go in and give him a kiss if he's asleep....If I come in past the doorway I'll hear "Oh hi mommy" for sure = )
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:53:27pm |
So what's the latest from Iran- my only source of updates all day has been the useless turds in the MSM.
/Because when you absolutely, positively need today's new next week!
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:53:43pm |
PIMF has a new cousin....
Preview
Woulda
Been
My
Freind
If
I'da
Looked.....
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srb1976 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:54:05pm |
re: #20 Floral Giraffe
Help yourself = )
Virtual jelly beans don't stick
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:54:40pm |
re: #24 srb1976
Good lord! Save some room for the fruitcup, willya?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:56:30pm |
re: #25 Fenway_Nation
Good lord! Save some room for the fruitcup, willya?
I will NOT be here then.
Munch, munch, munch.
(Fruitcup would be much easier on my aged dental work than jelly beans...)
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Gus Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:56:41pm |
re: #21 srb1976
Unless it's time to get up = )
He's 4 & I can't go in and give him a kiss if he's asleep....If I come in past the doorway I'll hear "Oh hi mommy" for sure = )
Doesn't that sound familiar. Easy to get up in the middle of the night but resisting the call to get up.
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srb1976 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:57:56pm |
I got a question for you married guys out there (i'm sure there's one or 2 of you)
What part of "Since our anniversary falls on father's day, let's just focus on father's day. I would really prefer you not do anything special for me"
Translates to "Run out and buy me a gift"
Not that I'm complaining, but I really wanted him to have today all to himself
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gmsc Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:00:00am |
Today in History, June 22nd:
Highlights of this day in history: France falls to Nazi Germany on what becomes a day of several key events during World War II; Joe Louis knocks out Max Schmeling in their boxing rematch; Entertainers Judy Garland and Fred Astaire die.
Other notable June 22nd events include:
1825 – British Parliament abolishes feudalism and the seigneurial system in British North America.
1844 – Influential North American fraternity Delta Kappa Epsilon is founded at Yale University.
1918 – Hammond circus train wreck kills 86 and injures 127 near Hammond, Indiana.
1984 – Virgin Atlantic Airways launched, first flight from London Heathrow Airport.
2002 – An earthquake in western Iran measuring 6.5 on the Richter scale kills more than 261 people.
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pat Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:00:41am |
re: #28 srb1976
LOL. Since my anniversary falls on father day also......congratulations.But you must communicate a bit more. I had to buy the flowers and cook the steak and lobster.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:01:43am |
re: #28 srb1976
NOT a married guy, but, that sounds like a men are from mars, women are from venus kinda question. Haven't read the book, just "got" the title.....
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:01:47am |
re: #29 gmsc
"British Parliament abolishes feudalism and the seigneurial system in British North America."
In 1825. That was "nice" of them. It funny to think about that because 1825 isn't too long ago.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:02:28am |
re: #29 gmsc
1918 – Hammond circus train wreck kills 86 and injures 127 near Hammond, Indiana.
Little known fact...most of the casualties were the circus clowns.
Another little known fact- they were all riding in the same passenger car at the time of the derailment.
//
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srb1976 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:03:02am |
re: #30 pat
Congratulations to you as well! i really did tell him not to do anything, and no gifts....I did cook the steak though, and even the picky kid ate some = )
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gmsc Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:04:50am |
re: #32 Gus 802
"British Parliament abolishes feudalism and the seigneurial system in British North America."
In 1825. That was "nice" of them. It funny to think about that because 1825 isn't too long ago.
Well, the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 will do that.
;)
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gmsc Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:05:48am |
re: #33 Fenway_Nation
Little known fact...most of the casualties were the circus clowns.
Another little known fact- they were all riding in the same passenger car at the time of the derailment.
//
They initially tried feed the bodies of the clowns to cannibals, but they wouldn't eat the clowns.
The cannibals said the clowns tasted funny.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:06:01am |
Good Night. I will sleep tight. Y'all stay scaly!
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:06:36am |
re: #30 pat
Pat. Did you mention once that your father was a stunt double for Charlton Heston in The Hawaiians?
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:07:39am |
re: #36 gmsc
They initially tried feed the bodies of the clowns to cannibals, but they wouldn't eat the clowns.
The cannibals said the clowns tasted funny.
Did they play soccer in Indiana back then?
//
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:09:15am |
re: #40 Gus 802
Normally, no- but I think the Uruguayan rugby team was in town for an exhibition game....
/was it rugby or soccer?
/was it rugby the Cloverfield monster?
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:12:10am |
re: #41 Fenway_Nation
Normally, no- but I think the Uruguayan rugby team was in town for an exhibition game....
/was it rugby or soccer?
/was it rugby the Cloverfield monster?
/The Indiana Sasquatch!
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zombie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:12:49am |
Ah, de-lovely delightful delicious. Here's the latest comment on my YouTube video "Burning and stomping on Israeli flag at S.F. Gaza rally January 10, 2009" from user "77samsam":
"pigs and monkeys
fucking jews
the world is changing fast
20 years ago it was rocks ,10 years later suicide bombings ,then home made rockets, then 9/11 and tomorrow you will bury your brother your mother your father your sister your kids your friends and the rest of that bastard called Israel."
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pat Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:16:14am |
re: #38 Gus 802
He also doubled in Diamond Head. But I really don't remember details. I was very young.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:16:46am |
He was incredibly popular in the 1980s . . .
He was black by nature, but sure seems to like white more and more . . .
He was considered a leader in his field, until his much-publicized downfall . . .
. . . and his dancing to "Thriller" is still talked about!
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the one, the only . . .
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:17:20am |
re: #44 pat
I did. He did all the horse scenes.
That's really cool. I take it he was a horseman and rode in the carriage scenes.
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pat Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:18:47am |
re: #47 Gus 802
Yes. We were a rodeo family. Grew up hunting and riding.
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srb1976 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:21:05am |
anyone planning on watching the Nat. Geo. on Iran tomorrow?
I wonder if it will be any good?
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:25:21am |
re: #48 pat
Yes. We were a rodeo family. Grew up hunting and riding.
Nice. I've rode a horse on short trips several times but that's about it. Always enjoyed it and if I had the money I'd ride.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:25:37am |
re: #49 srb1976
anyone planning on watching the Nat. Geo. on Iran tomorrow?
I wonder if it will be any good?
This is the first I've heard of it.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:28:32am |
re: #29 gmsc
1973- BatGuano was smokin' dope in Oregon listening to Pink Floyd's new album, "Dark Side of The Moon"
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srb1976 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:28:38am |
re: #51 gmsc
National Geographic channel is running a special on Iran and it's relations with the US tomorrow (tonight?) @ 9E.....the ads they are running seems to be mostly protest footage, but I think they are planning on covering more than that....
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:29:14am |
re: #43 zombie
Ah, de-lovely delightful delicious. Here's the latest comment on my YouTube video "Burning and stomping on Israeli flag at S.F. Gaza rally January 10, 2009" from user "77samsam":
"pigs and monkeys
fucking jews
the world is changing fast
20 years ago it was rocks ,10 years later suicide bombings ,then home made rockets, then 9/11 and tomorrow you will bury your brother your mother your father your sister your kids your friends and the rest of that bastard called Israel."
I couldn't help but notice the "gang banger" mannerisms of the participants.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:34:55am |
re: #52 BatGuano
1973- BatGuano was smokin' dope in Oregon listening to Pink Floyd's new album, "Dark Side of The Moon"
1974 - He's torn between listening to the album and watching CBS' annual airing of The Wizard of Oz. He listens to one, watches the other, and a legend is born . . .
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:36:35am |
If there was any justice in this internationalist PC world the Mullahcrocy in Iran would at least be charged with crimes against humanity against the current Iranian regime in the Hague. Charge Ahmadinejad and Khamenei and put out an INTERPOL warrant for their arrest. Once they step foot out Iran and step into a country bound by INTERPOL treaties arrest them and send them straight to trial.
/Just an idea I've had. Some of the technicalities may be incorrect.
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srb1976 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:36:58am |
re: #55 gmsc
1974 - He's torn between listening to the album and watching CBS' annual airing of The Wizard of Oz. He listens to one, watches the other, and a legend is born . . .
A few years ago, one cable channel (can't remember which one) once ran the Wizard of Oz back to back, once with regular sound track, and once with Dark Side of the Moon....I wasn't nearly stoned enough to watch the second one though = )
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:39:19am |
re: #57 srb1976
A few years ago, one cable channel (can't remember which one) once ran the Wizard of Oz back to back, once with regular sound track, and once with Dark Side of the Moon....I wasn't nearly stoned enough to watch the second one though = )
Nir stones enough? You're neglecting you habits!
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srb1976 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:40:31am |
re: #59 BatGuano
Nir stones enough? You're neglecting you habits!
Nah, just getting too old for some of them = )
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:40:39am |
re: #59 BatGuano
Not stoned enough? You're neglecting you habits! PIMF.
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:41:21am |
re: #55 gmsc
1974 - He's torn between listening to the album and watching CBS' annual airing of The Wizard of Oz. He listens to one, watches the other, and a legend is born . . .
Heathens! /////////////
I was building model airplanes and rockets in 1974.
//OK, there was 1977.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:41:29am |
Well...while there's a lull (and the markets are actually open), here if Fenway's Nightly Precious Metals Update:
Gold- $932.3 per ounce (down 0.15%)
Silver- $14 per ounce (down 1.3%)
Palladium- $242 per ounce (down 1.2%)
Platinum- $1198 per ounce (down 0.58%)
Rhodium- $1300 per ounce (unchanged)
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srb1976 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:44:01am |
re: #61 BatGuano
Not stoned enough? You're neglecting you habits! PIMF.
Funny, when I saw your post, the first thing I did was check the spelling in mine.....
(I used to be a clerk in an engineering dept. I speak typo fluently)
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:45:13am |
re: #62 Gus 802
I built Estes rockets in 1969 and 1970. Also WW1 aircraft models. Loved the Spad 13.
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srb1976 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:45:19am |
and for just a tiny bit of bragging, the gift that I asked better half NOT to get me, turns out to be an iPod touch...Yay me!
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:46:23am |
re: #65 srb1976
Funny, when I saw your post, the first thing I did was check the spelling in mine.....
(I used to be a clerk in an engineering dept. I speak typo fluently)
I've met many clerks at engineering departments. Started in 1983 as survey rodman. In architecture now.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:46:37am |
re: #57 srb1976
A few years ago, one cable channel (can't remember which one) once ran the Wizard of Oz back to back, once with regular sound track, and once with Dark Side of the Moon....I wasn't nearly stoned enough to watch the second one though = )
Should you ever be stoned enough, YouTube is waiting for you.
;)
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srb1976 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:47:27am |
re: #69 gmsc
Should you ever be stoned enough, YouTube is waiting for you.
;)
Well, I do have some painkillers laying around from breaking that thumb.....
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:47:44am |
re: #66 BatGuano
I built Estes rockets in 1969 and 1970. Also WW1 aircraft models. Loved the Spad 13.
[Link: z.about.com...]
Estes was the best.
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srb1976 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:50:29am |
Ok folks, I'm gonna call it a night....got a week on days coming up, gotta get that sleep cycle thing turned back around = )
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:51:37am |
re: #73 srb1976
Ok folks, I'm gonna call it a night....got a week on days coming up, gotta get that sleep cycle thing turned back around = )
Take it easy.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:52:14am |
re: #73 srb1976
Ok folks, I'm gonna call it a night....got a week on days coming up, gotta get that sleep cycle thing turned back around = )
G'Nite, srb!
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BignJames Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:54:35am |
re: #74 Gus 802
That wasn't on the original soundtrack, was it?
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:56:20am |
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:59:20am |
re: #80 BatGuano
I don't think it was but it worked.
Saw this note....
"The Weight," as originally recorded by The Band for their 1968 debut album Music From Big Pink, was used in the film but could not be licensed for the soundtrack. To deal with this, ABC-Dunhill commissioned Smith, who recorded for the label at the time, to record a cover version of the song for the soundtrack album.
Here.
Works for me too.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:04:20am |
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gmsc Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:05:20am |
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:08:53am |
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Gus Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:14:04am |
Don Henley - The End of The Innocence
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gmsc Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:16:51am |
re: #86 Gus 802
Don Henley - The End of The Innocence
It's a good song, but I've always like Boys of Summer.
Here it is from the same concert:
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gmsc Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:22:19am |
Ooooh - good news from FedEx!
The 2nd generation 32GB iPod Touch I ordered is now in the same town. I was expecting it to arrive Tuesday, but it looks like it will be later today!
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:26:04am |
re: #87 gmsc
Don Henley played drums fotrthe Eagles. Why is he standing there with a guitar which he doesn't play?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:27:15am |
re: #10 amphibian
Badges? We don't have no badges. We don't need no steenkin' badges!
Badges! Badges?!?
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BignJames Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:28:03am |
re: #89 BatGuano
Don Henley played drums fotrthe Eagles. Why is he standing there with a guitar which he doesn't play?
Do you know what instrument he started out on?
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gmsc Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:28:20am |
re: #89 BatGuano
Don Henley played drums fotrthe Eagles. Why is he standing there with a guitar which he doesn't play?
It is funny to watch that video knowing that. Everytime you think he's going to start playing, they cut to all the other musicians.
Being a live concert, he was probably just faking the guitar, and the editing was done to help that along.
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:28:41am |
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gmsc Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:31:42am |
re: #93 BatGuano
Damn, man! You got a thing that's gong to arrive
XD
Even funnier – my sister called me today and said, "I have a surprise for you – You're getting an iPod Touch!"
I said, "Yeah, I know - it should be here early this week."
She asked, "How did you know?"
It turns out she's switching to an iPhone, and sending me her old iPod Touch. I had no idea, and thought she'd heard (probably from my mom) that I had ordered one myself.
I may have 2 by the end of the week!
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Karridine Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:33:09am |
re: #66 BatGuano
I built Estes rockets in 1969 and 1970. Also WW1 aircraft models. Loved the Spad 13. ...
I had the misfortune of working with/for the scion of that Estes family, (Black Sheep Branch) here in Bangkok, where installing computers and Novell networks was pretty good, until one end-of-month payday came around and me and the other two em-plo-yees showed up for work...
...only to find the place stripped empty and the front door chained shut! No sign of the Estes fellow...
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BignJames Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:36:12am |
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:38:23am |
re: #97 BignJames
Rock Trombone
Trombone? That is funny. (not that there is anything wrong with that).
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gmsc Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:40:20am |
re: #97 BignJames
Rock Trombone
There is such a thing?!?
You mean, I could've been a legendary musician if I had only turned to the Rock Sousaphone?
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:44:49am |
re: #101 gmsc
Well, it's slow, and I've had a long day.
Good night, all!
G'night gmsc: I shall soon follow.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:45:42am |
Leaving [sob!] before [sob!] fruitcup?! [sob!]
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:47:07am |
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:51:31am |
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 1:58:54am |
re: #105 littleoldlady
Must...hang....on.....almost.....there.....
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:00:03am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:01:10am |
re: #107 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!
Thank you, littleloldlady!
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:04:06am |
Fenway-yay-yay-yay! :-)
/ballpark echoechoecho
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:06:38am |
re: #112 littleoldlady
Crowd's starting to show up, LoL....
/If two's company, three's a crowd.....and how many lizards here?
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BatGuano Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:08:01am |
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freetoken Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:08:17am |
Fruitcup? What am I supposed to do with this thing?
/gimme a hotdog!
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laZardo Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:08:28am |
All right, who is this Neda lady and why is she suddenly such a martyr?
/srsly
/also, good afternoon
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:10:56am |
'Night, BatGuano! :-)
re: #117 freetoken
freetoken! :-)
Oh, cute! ;-)
laZardo! :-)
Seriously, seriously? You don't know?
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:18:10am |
Oh scheisse! Oil just went back under $70 a barrel.
Wonder if they're still hiring up at the Bakken shale....
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:19:06am |
re: #122 laZardo
I heard on Fox yesterday that "Neda" isn't really a name, that it means something like "call out".
/I hope I'm remembering it correctly.
In any case, it's the defining image of the chaos in Iran.
/think "standing in front of a tank"
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:21:54am |
re: #124 littleoldlady
That's something this 'revolution' seemed to be missing- a standout, defining moment documented for all the world to see on par with the man standing in front of the column of PLA tanks...
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:22:10am |
Neda isn't a real name? Wow......
I know of TONS of Neda's...lol
/So-Cal is like, the Persian capital of the world outside of Iran.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:23:47am |
re: #126 TheMatrix31
I knew a Sara and a Giselle...I'm not sure how 'Persian' those names are....
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UncleRancher Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:25:34am |
Greetings, and Thanks lol for the lovely fruitcup!
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laZardo Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:26:20am |
re: #126 TheMatrix31
Neda isn't a real name? Wow......
I know of TONS of Neda's...lol
/So-Cal is like, the Persian capital of the world outside of Iran.
Where I live, NEDA means...
/Remember, over here, a MILF is a terrorist.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:26:20am |
re: #127 Fenway_Nation
I knew a Sara and a Giselle...I'm not sure how 'Persian' those names are....
Tons of Persians named Sahar.....that usually gets converted to "Sarah" for American use, I think.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:26:59am |
"You see? You see?! Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!"
-Plan 9 from Outer Space
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:28:33am |
re: #126 TheMatrix31
Matrix! :-)
One of the most interesting asides of this "war" is how the MSM qualifies everything they report. "It came from bloggers...it's off Twitter. ...yadda, yadda, yadda...We can't confirm."
Wonder why they don't put disclaimers in front of New York Times reports, a newspaper that has a history of fiction-as-news?
The way "Neda" is presented is, "We don't know if that's her real name."
/I know Neda's, too. ;-)
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:29:10am |
re: #131 TheMatrix31
Both first generation American of Iranian/Persian background. I think one of them would visit family in Iran fairly regularly....that was about 10 years ago.
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UncleRancher Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:29:45am |
re: #134 littleoldlady
"It's from New York Times, we can't confirm". ;-)
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laZardo Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:30:48am |
re: #134 littleoldlady
To be fair, it's almost kinda like posting on 4chan.
You really can't exactly verify the sauce (hence, the "Anonymous" moniker), but if it's picked up by the media, it's always a ratings bonanza and shameless promotion for the site that it was posted on.
/as it were.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:33:25am |
re: #134 littleoldlady
A ka-jillion updings!
Of course, the mullahs have been making damn sure that it's impossible for anything but their state-run mouthpieces to cover the uprising....
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:34:07am |
It always gives me a laugh when people refer to NYT as legit news source.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:38:01am |
re: #143 TheMatrix31
It always gives me a laugh when people refer to NYT as legit news source.
I can't help but laugh when I think about that NY Times reporter that 'escpaed' from the Taliban. My guess is that somewhere along the way, they heard what kind of businessman Pinch Sulzburger is and how wortless his assets are becoming and realized there was no way in hell he could pay a ransom.
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:39:33am |
re: #139 laZardo
Fair?
Let me just say that I don't have the same bias that the news stations have vis a vis citizen journalists vs. established news organizations.
/probably comes from hanging around LGF as long as I have... ;-)
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:39:35am |
re: #143 TheMatrix31
It always gives me a laugh when people refer to NYT as legit news source.
Same here. Few seem to realise that many on the left despise the NYT just as much, if not more, than people on the right.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:41:02am |
re: #147 littleoldlady
And with the situation in Iran, one's only choice is either the state-run media outlets or the citicizen journalists....
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laZardo Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:43:58am |
re: #148 iceweasel
I concur, both "sides" seem to trust blogging media more than the mainstream media.
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UncleRancher Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:44:05am |
Yesterday I was caught screaming obscenities at the tv when the "news" guy was telling us about how the uprising in Iran was going to cause the gas prices at the pump to increase. We have full tankers lined up in the ports that can't off-load because everything is full already. Who writes this stuff? Probably some oil company speculator hack .
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:47:28am |
iceweasel! :-)
Really? I know people (my own brother included) who ONLY read and ONLY believe the New York Times. Period. Full stop.
/behold The Gospel!
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:48:55am |
re: #151 UncleRancher
Oil futures have it back under $69 a barrel this morning.....
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UncleRancher Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:51:00am |
re: #153 Fenway_Nation
Oil futures have it back under $69 a barrel this morning.....
Didn't work, did it?
Check this out:
[Link: www.milkandcookies.com...]
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freetoken Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:53:00am |
re: #123 Fenway_Nation
Wonder if they're still hiring up at the Bakken shale....
You can follow rig counts via the major petroleum industry news outlets. The Baker-Hughes company keeps an up-to-date list.
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:54:27am |
re: #150 laZardo
I concur, both "sides" seem to trust blogging media more than the mainstream media.
Yes, and for good reason! :)
re: #152 littleoldlady
Hi littleoldlady!
Yes, There are still plenty of mainstream, not particularly politically active, non-blogreading liberals who still use the NYT as their main news source and as gospel.
BUT-- on the internets, the 'netroots nation' or lefty/progressive bloggers and readers despise the Times, and have done for years.
If you like, sometime I'll feed you a list of lefty criticisms of the NYT to hit your brother with. :)
It'll be a way of thanking you for all your delicious fruit cup, and you can make his head explode!
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:56:35am |
Precious metals just dropped another 1%-2% since I posted my update....
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freetoken Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:56:44am |
Here is the interactive Baker-Hughes rig count web-page. You can zoom in to ND if you want.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:58:12am |
re: #159 freetoken
Thanks freetoken- I was actually thinking along the lines of transportation for some of the companies that provide services and exploration....
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littleoldlady Mon, Jun 22, 2009 2:58:58am |
re: #157 iceweasel
Thanks for the offer but there's no easy cure for Stubborn & Stupid.
/unfortunately! :-(
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freetoken Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:02:28am |
re: #160 Fenway_Nation
Servicing the petroleum service industry... hmmmm... probably highly visceral... changes in oil prices yanks them around like a yo-yo.
BTW, Baker-Hughes shows 36 rigs currently active in ND, down from 70 last time this year.
Energy is a good play in the long run - we need more and more all the time, but the fossil resources are becoming more and more difficult to exploit. Anyone involved in energy probably has a good career BUT any given small company can go bust easily, so you have to be willing to jump jobs every now and again.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:09:59am |
I hate it when I miss out on a good disco dewd thread. Damn that need for sleep.
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UncleRancher Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:14:51am |
... need more ... sleep. I still got to dig the dirt out of some more post holes in the morning.
G'nite.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:16:17am |
re: #166 freetoken
Shiplord seems to have thoroughly kicked ider's collective asses though.
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songbird Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:18:06am |
re: #155 UncleRancher
Didn't work, did it?
Check this out:
[Link: www.milkandcookies.com...]
Ah! When the late night shows were actually funny!
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:24:11am |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:34:13am |
'Guardian Council admits vote fraud'
"Statistics provided by the candidates, who claim more than 100% of those eligible cast their ballot in 80-170 cities are not accurate - the incident happened in only 50 cities,"
"Only 50 cities."
This bunch of corrupt lying assholes wouldn't know the truth if it bit them on the ass.
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songbird Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:35:11am |
Not much happening here this morning.
Then again, I was accustomed to reading LGF from Mountain Time Zone. Everything was hopping by 6 AM....here it is 6:34 on the East Coast, and I'm still waiting for RCP news to be posted and the East Coast Lizards to wake up.
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songbird Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:36:00am |
re: #175 Spare O'Lake
Good morning, Spare! How are you this fine day?
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:38:09am |
re: #175 Spare O'Lake
"Only 50 cities."
This bunch of corrupt lying assholes wouldn't know the truth if it bit them on the ass.
Yeah, only 50 cities, and apparently 2 entire provinces!
Nate Silver is pissed:
Worst. Damage Control. Ever.
I've generally tended to take the position that while the people running Iran are a bunch of reactionary thugs, they're at least a fairly intelligent bunch of reactionary thugs.
After this revelation on Iranian Press TV, however, I'm not so certain:
(snip)
For all the complex series of statistics that have been run on Iran's election, it's the simplest that might prove to be the regime's downfall. More people "voted" than were eligible to vote -- in a lot of places. The interior ministry admits to 50 such instances out of the 300+ jurisdictions in which Iran tallied results. That is widespread, prime facie and admitted-to evidence of fraud, and I don't see how the Guardian Council expects people to buy the argument that whatever caused the tub to overflow in those 50 cities was not also tainting the results throughout the rest of the country. The Chatham House report we linked to earlier today found that there were more "votes" than voters in two entire provinces.
[Link: www.fivethirtyeight.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:38:53am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:43:09am |
I'm at church. This computer is so slow.... aaargh! See y'all after nine (EST).
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songbird Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:43:32am |
re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Peer Gynt plays... *yawning, rubbing eyes*
Morning Songbird!
Wakey, Wakey!
Good morning from sunny Hagerstown, MD!
We spent the weekend with a good friend in the Northern Neck of VA over by Montross! That is my absolute favorite place to go to get away, and we are feeling pretty rested. Amazing how a gentle landscape, the view of the bay and dear friends can help you relax so much!
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:43:35am |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:53:45am |
re: #178 iceweasel
[Link: www.fivethirtyeight.com...]
In addition to being stupid, these Islamofascists display breathtaking arrogance and complete contempt for the intelligence of others. The airhead who issed this particular press release is an official spokesperson for the Guardian Council.
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songbird Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:55:02am |
re: #182 Spare O'Lake
And you?
Not too bad. Will continue my job hunting today and I have some paperwork to send to people who are willing to be my references.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 22, 2009 3:59:42am |
The Iranian Air Force began a four-day exercise Monday, over the Persian Gulf. The exercise is said to include long-range flights and midair fueling of fighter jets
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:01:20am |
Iran's Revolutionary Guard is threatening to crush any further opposition protests over the disputed presidential election and warns demonstrators to prepare for a "revolutionary confrontation" if they take to the streets again.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
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Bobblehead Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:02:21am |
I’ll bet my badge that we haven’t seen the last of those weirdies.
Truer words were never spoken.
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Karridine Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:04:02am |
"WE are the mullahs, and WE shall ensure that OUR reporters and commenters and Twitter posters are the majority, by 50 to 1... THAT will let US dictate the details..."
Accursed art thou, O mullah... THAT THE PEOPLE ARE EVEN IN THE STREET is the big story, the burning forest which your tree-talking reporters cannot hide that flame from international eyes!
The Islamic Revolutionary Dream is a nightmare, and HUGE NUMBERS OF Iranians want to wake up! You cannot hide the deep human hunger shown by their simple standing together in the streets of Tehran!
Blinded art thou, no refuge hast thou to flee to...
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Karridine Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:07:10am |
re: #186 Sharmuta
I can see them now, Sharmy, 4-500,000 people, quietly praying and sometimes LAUGHING at the 'Revolutionary Guard'...
Or, conversely, STAYING HOME EN MASSE, leaving the streets bleak, empty and echoing only to the sounds of the Boots of Toadies...
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:07:23am |
Iran media: Council rejects claims of voting irregularities
Iran's election authority has rejected claims of voting irregularities by a defeated presidential candidate, while acknowledging that the number of ballots cast in dozens of cities exceeded the number of eligible voters there, state-run TV reported Monday.
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laZardo Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:08:30am |
re: #188 Karridine
"WE are the mullahs, and WE shall ensure that OUR reporters and commenters and Twitter posters are the majority, by 50 to 1... THAT will let US dictate the details..."
Accursed art thou, O mullah... THAT THE PEOPLE ARE EVEN IN THE STREET is the big story, the burning forest which your tree-talking reporters cannot hide that flame from international eyes!
The Islamic Revolutionary Dream is a nightmare, and HUGE NUMBERS OF Iranians want to wake up! You cannot hide the deep human hunger shown by their simple standing together in the streets of Tehran!
Blinded art thou, no refuge hast thou to flee to...
Neither hath their subjects.
Only one shall reside in that house, and I can safely and unfortunately say it will not be the peons.
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Karridine Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:08:47am |
re: #190 Sharmuta
...while acknowledging that the number of ballots cast in dozens of cities exceeded the number of eligible voters there, state-run TV reported Monday.
... but hey! Nothing irregular about THAT! Move along now... nuffink to see here...
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:10:19am |
re: #189 Karridine
At this point, I think a national strike would be good. The people can stay at home and rest, regroup, and stick it to The Man at the same time. I don't think this is going away- the people are not going to forget this time what their government has done to them. It might simmer for awhile, but this is not the end, imo.
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Karridine Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:10:55am |
re: #191 laZardo
That IS accepted wisdom, and I would agree with you... IF the Iranians don't recognize the power they truly wield, and IF the dynamics inside Iran remain as they were before the military coup turned Iran into a military dictatorship, LaZardo...
But there's MORE at stake and at play here...
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:11:04am |
re: #192 Karridine
... but hey! Nothing irregular about THAT! Move along now... nuffink to see here...
Exactly. Talking out of both sides of their mouth.
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:13:29am |
re: #183 Spare O'Lake
In addition to being stupid, these Islamofascists display breathtaking arrogance and complete contempt for the intelligence of others. The airhead who issed this particular press release is an official spokesperson for the Guardian Council.
Agreed. It's the sheer arrogance and stupidity that takes the breath away-- I can't put it any better than you already did.
Sliver says this:
This leaves only two possibilities: that there was widespread ballot-stuffing or that the results in some or all areas don't reflect any physical count of the ballots but were fabricated whole hog on a spreadsheet.
I posted something yesterday from two PhD candidates at Columbia who had found evidence to suggest that the last possiblity is true-- wholesale fabrication on a spreadsheet. It was fascinating but it was at the end of a dying thread. Let me go find it--
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rightside Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:15:38am |
re: #199 songbird
Montross is about 15 mins from me. I love the entire area, George Washington's birthplace, wineries, battlefields, all within a short drive. Great place to raise a family too.
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:17:43am |
Here, check this out: (repost, sorry)
There's been some discussion here about the difficulty of knowing the exact numbers for the Iranian election and the exact extent of the fraud.
Two grad students at Columbia have looked at the officially released numbers, and while they can't tell how much fraud there was or what the margin is, they can use truths about mathematical probability and human psychology (in the way we process/think of numbers) to determine that some of the numbers reported were invented by humans:
Why would fraudulent numbers look any different? The reason is that humans are bad at making up numbers. Cognitive psychologists have found that study participants in lab experiments asked to write sequences of random digits will tend to select some digits more frequently than others.So what can we make of Iran's election results? We used the results released by the Ministry of the Interior and published on the web site of Press TV, a news channel funded by Iran's government. (snip)
The numbers look suspicious.
It's very interesting, and insofar as their analysis relies on universal truths about probability and the way human psychology handles numbers, these methods can be applied to any election where there is a suspicion of fraud or tampering.
-----------------------------------
Combined with the latest news, I'd say it's looking likely that someone did sit down with the spreadsheet and change the numbers.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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laZardo Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:18:54am |
re: #195 Karridine
That IS accepted wisdom, and I would agree with you... IF the Iranians don't recognize the power they truly wield, and IF the dynamics inside Iran remain as they were before the military coup turned Iran into a military dictatorship, LaZardo...
But there's MORE at stake and at play here...
Which is why the people that could help them are otherwise keeping silent. Perhaps they recognize that maintaining the tormented status quo would be better than the damned-if-they-did approach.
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songbird Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:19:33am |
re: #200 rightside
Montross is about 15 mins from me. I love the entire area, George Washington's birthplace, wineries, battlefields, all within a short drive. Great place to raise a family too.
No Kidding. We have a dear friend who is out there who is like a dad to my husband whom we can now visit more often!
We love it out there too and are considering purchasing a home for retirement. I wrote a blog post Saturday about one of the restaurants - Yesterdays.
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rightside Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:29:52am |
re: #203 songbird
If you came down to VA via Rt. 301, you literally drove past my home by 100 yards.
Glad you had a relaxing weekend. I will have to go try that restaurant.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:30:47am |
re: #205 rightside
If you came down to VA via Rt. 301, you literally drove past my home by 100 yards.
Glad you had a relaxing weekend. I will have to go try that restaurant.
How far from Alexandria are you?
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rightside Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:34:24am |
re: #206 soxfan4life
An hour or so, depending on traffic. I would have to drive west to Fredericksburg, then hop on I-95N
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songbird Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:35:14am |
re: #205 rightside
If you came down to VA via Rt. 301, you literally drove past my home by 100 yards.
Glad you had a relaxing weekend. I will have to go try that restaurant.
How about that! Actually we made the mistake of going down 95....start and stop traffic after the Springfield popcorn machine! We drove home via 17 to 66 to 81 up to Hagerstown last night. A little longer, but a lovely drive.
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:37:07am |
re: #201 iceweasel
That WaPo article on the analysis of the numbers continues to grab me. It's just so cool. Even before the council admitted there were problems in 50 cities and two provinces, here's what those 2 doctoral candidates had concluded:
Each of these two tests provides strong evidence that the numbers released by Iran's Ministry of the Interior were manipulated. But taken together, they leave very little room for reasonable doubt. The probability that a fair election would produce both too few non-adjacent digits and the suspicious deviations in last-digit frequencies described earlier is less than .005. In other words, a bet that the numbers are clean is a one in two-hundred long shot.
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:40:46am |
re: #207 rightside
I went to an Army school at Ft Belvoir. Beautiful country, but the cherry blossoms gave me allergies that were brutal.
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rightside Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:41:00am |
re: #208 songbird
I think you are screwed either way you take. To go 301, you have to drive around the beltway, and exit at Andrews AFB, then take Branch Ave. Rt 5 which turns into 301. Shorter, but with traffic, not any better than 95.
The drive can be aggravating.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:42:29am |
From PersianKiwi on twitter:
today we have hidden cameras in good locations ready to give u film - #Iranelection
road blocks controlling movement of people from North to South Tehran to stop ppl joining Sea of Green #Iranelection
TODAY 4pm - Haft Tir Sq - Meydan 7 Tir - Tehran - candle vigil - sitting on floor - in memory of our martyrs - #Iranelection RT RT RT
situation in Tehran very tense today - many roadblocks - #Iranelection
all roads and aley ways around Interior Ministry closed with concrete blocs and guards - #Iranelection
Etemad Melli newspaper (pro Karroubi) offices attacked by militia - #Iranelection confirmed
from StopAhmadi:
News: Yesterday night was calm in Tehran, but ppl were chanting "allah o akbar" from rooftops #iranelection
and from TehranBureau:
Just in from Tehran: well today is confusing ... some say the protest is in ferdowsi sq, some haft-e-tir, some abbas abad (a huge mosque)...it seems central org. is waning, maybe cz camp leaders are in jail? .......
the rumor [about Rafsanjani] is he's still in qom rallying support to "azl" khamenei (ask to step down)
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haakondahl Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:43:27am |
re: #158 Fenway_Nation
Precious metals just dropped another 1%-2% since I posted my update....
Is that just against the dollar, or a basket of currencies or commodities?
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yochanan Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:45:30am |
re: #213 haakondahl
are you implying that the dollar is a basket case?
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haakondahl Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:45:48am |
re: #209 iceweasel
That WaPo article on the analysis of the numbers continues to grab me. It's just so cool. Even before the council admitted there were problems in 50 cities and two provinces, here's what those 2 doctoral candidates had concluded:
late to the party & have to pop in & out, but:
Do you know if a similar analysis has been conducted for elections which have been certified by folks like President Carter et al? Or if those are simply based on stand-around monitoring?
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songbird Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:45:58am |
re: #211 rightside
I think you are screwed either way you take. To go 301, you have to drive around the beltway, and exit at Andrews AFB, then take Branch Ave. Rt 5 which turns into 301. Shorter, but with traffic, not any better than 95.
The drive can be aggravating.
No kidding. I think when we go next time we will take 15 down to 17...that will keep us on this side of the mountains and may cut a little time. We did not want to go home this time and cannot wait until we get back to Montross. Are you at Dahlgren?
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haakondahl Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:47:25am |
re: #4 srb1976
I just went in to check on the Little Man, and he is curled up with both puppies, like they were all littermates.....too bad it's too dark to get a picture, cutest sight ever!
They will sleep right through the flash. Light 'em up!
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rightside Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:49:03am |
re: #210 soxfan4life
Sorry to hear about the allerigies. We have some cherry blossoms around here, and DC has a lot for the festival.
NoVA is the reason VA went blue, IMO. Our county is solidly red, but not highly populated. It wouldn't surprise me in the future, that more states turn blue. I think people are leaving their states to look for places that have less of a tax burden, only to vote in more people who will raise taxes. The mystifying part is that they're oblivious to that.
I live just inside VA, near the VA/MD border, and daily, I see many MD license plates at the gas station at the end of my road. Filling up with gas, and buying armloads of cigarettes. They purchase them here because they're cheaper, of course. Lots of the cars have obama bumper stickers.
Raising taxes is ok, as long as it's other people who are paying it.
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haakondahl Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:51:24am |
re: #28 srb1976
I got a question for you married guys out there (i'm sure there's one or 2 of you)
What part of "Since our anniversary falls on father's day, let's just focus on father's day. I would really prefer you not do anything special for me"
Translates to "Run out and buy me a gift"
Not that I'm complaining, but I really wanted him to have today all to himself
Ah, you married a smart one. He is obviously insightful enough to pre-empt the icy "Fine." See the entry for FINE in the Man's Manual. Roll with it.
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:52:29am |
re: #215 haakondahl
late to the party & have to pop in & out, but:
Do you know if a similar analysis has been conducted for elections which have been certified by folks like President Carter et al? Or if those are simply based on stand-around monitoring?
Hiya haakondahl, hope you're having a good day!
I don't. I'm no font of info about elections I'm afraid. But the methods these two people employed to arrive at the conclusion about the likelihood of voter fraud in Iran could be applied to any election, past or present, to determine the probability that fraud took place. (assuming the data set is available; you need to have the numbers from each province or state or whatever, not merely be presented with the total numbers for outcome).
Unfortunately one problem with their analysis is that it will only capture human tampering, the kind where a human or group of humans makes up numbers. A sufficiently sophisticated computer program that generates random numbers that a human then implements on the sheet won't be caught by these methods.
(But there are likely to be people in AI working on that problem right now.)
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soxfan4life Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:53:40am |
re: #218 rightside
Sorry to hear about the allerigies. We have some cherry blossoms around here, and DC has a lot for the festival.
NoVA is the reason VA went blue, IMO. Our county is solidly red, but not highly populated. It wouldn't surprise me in the future, that more states turn blue. I think people are leaving their states to look for places that have less of a tax burden, only to vote in more people who will raise taxes. The mystifying part is that they're oblivious to that.
I live just inside VA, near the VA/MD border, and daily, I see many MD license plates at the gas station at the end of my road. Filling up with gas, and buying armloads of cigarettes. They purchase them here because they're cheaper, of course. Lots of the cars have obama bumper stickers.
Raising taxes is ok, as long as it's other people who are paying it.
That whole moving away from high taxes to a place with lower taxes and then demanding the same services that brought the high taxes to begin with just mystifies me. Are people really that dumb? Something for nothing never works, you get what you pay for. Saw that fool Bill Mahr on Fox news this morning saying that the Democrats are the new Republicans and we need a new progressive party. How much more progressive can we get than the path to Socialism 0bama is taking us down now?
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Bobblehead Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:54:17am |
From a WSJ article about Iran:
That ambivalence at the heart of the Obama diplomacy about freedom has not served American policy well in this crisis. We had tried to "cheat" -- an opening to the regime with an obligatory wink to those who took to the streets appalled by their rulers' cynicism and utter disregard for their people's intelligence and common sense -- and we were caught at it.
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songbird Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:54:36am |
re: #218 rightside
Sorry to hear about the allerigies. We have some cherry blossoms around here, and DC has a lot for the festival.
NoVA is the reason VA went blue, IMO. Our county is solidly red, but not highly populated. It wouldn't surprise me in the future, that more states turn blue. I think people are leaving their states to look for places that have less of a tax burden, only to vote in more people who will raise taxes. The mystifying part is that they're oblivious to that.
I live just inside VA, near the VA/MD border, and daily, I see many MD license plates at the gas station at the end of my road. Filling up with gas, and buying armloads of cigarettes. They purchase them here because they're cheaper, of course. Lots of the cars have obama bumper stickers.
Raising taxes is ok, as long as it's other people who are paying it.
Buying Alcohol, too.........we have to go to some sleazy places to get alcoho here.
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songbird Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:56:27am |
re: #219 rightside
Close enough ;^)
Good enough for me!
My daughter's BF's family just moved to Fredricksburg...and her with them!
The dad, a physicist, will be 'close enough' as well.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 22, 2009 4:59:08am |
CA is sinking deeper...not even a passing mention of state union bennies at the source...slash education while the govt fat cats roll on....wilfull ignorance
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
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Bobblehead Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:00:23am |
FYI..Mark Steyn is sitting in for Rush today. He's always fun to listen to. Wish I could stay home.
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rightside Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:02:47am |
re: #225 songbird
The base in Dahlgren has so many scientists, you couldn't swing a dead skunk without hitting one.
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songbird Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:04:46am |
re: #228 rightside
The base in Dahlgren has so many scientists, you couldn't swing a dead skunk without hitting one.
My dear Mr. Songbird would like to work out there sometime. He's a telecom engineer.
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rightside Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:04:52am |
re: #224 songbird
We have ABC stores for liquor here, but I don't know if those people who buy gas and cigarettes here, then stop down the road to buy alcohol. I imagine some do, but I don't know for sure.
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rightside Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:06:50am |
re: #229 songbird
It's a great place to work! I was stationed there twice during my naval career. We chose to move here after I retired from the Navy.
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rightside Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:07:58am |
re: #227 Bobblehead
Mark gets to laughing so hard sometimes when he does the show, he really enjoys doing it, I think. He has a blast!
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mamacares Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:08:08am |
re: #228 rightside
Good morning Lizards and thank you to rightside and realwest.
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opnion Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:11:04am |
Good Morning. The Revolutionary Guard in Iran has announced thet they will not tolerate any more demonstrations. The opposition has announced that they will continue demonstrating. Something has to give.
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songbird Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:13:26am |
re: #231 rightside
It's a great place to work! I was stationed there twice during my naval career. We chose to move here after I retired from the Navy.
Mr Songbird was a merchant marine radio officer for years, then worked for NASA and now is a 'fed" with an agency.
I would not mind moving out there in the next few years.
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freetoken Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:20:29am |
re: #226 albusteve
CA is sinking deeper...not even a passing mention of state union bennies at the source...slash education while the govt fat cats roll on....wilfull ignorance
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
The school district in question in that news story is Contra Costa county. I looked briefly at their proposed budgets... very complex (as these things have become), but one can see that they are being saddled by retirement expenses.
Indeed, on April 9 the county of Contra Costa had handed to a report (intended not just for the school district but for other county tax payer supported institutions), entitled:
Retiree Health Care Benefits Leaves County Tax Payers On The Hook (pdf), the executive summary of which states clearly that the county's retiree health care benefits have become a burden that the County can no longer afford.
This is well known throughout the State. From the local City retirement programs to County and School District retirement programs to the State employee programs - the future that has been promised (by benefits) is not fitting the reality.
To change retiree benefits is very, very difficult politically.
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rightside Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:20:54am |
re: #210 soxfan4life
I went to an Army school at Ft Belvoir. Beautiful country, but the cherry blossoms gave me allergies that were brutal.
Speaking of Fort Belvoir...
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freetoken Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:21:59am |
re: #228 rightside
Many DoD labs have been gutted over the last couple of decades, with most of the R&D being contracted out and the gov't employees being reduced to simply administrators. I've known some people in such situations, and they were not happy about the results.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:24:19am |
ACORN has changed its name to Community Organizations International.
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:25:05am |
I think I told everyone of the dog we adopted. Well, we took her to the vet for a heart worm check up and she tested positive. We have her "in the shop" today to get the first of 2 treatments. 2 things, if I could.
Prayers for the little dog - Queenie is her name
Does anyone have experience in the treatments? They said she has a mild case but they need to keep her all day to monitor her as the medicine is given.
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rightside Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:26:48am |
re: #241 freetoken
That may be so. I work for a DoD contractor as an instructor. I imagine in this economy, many places are like that..
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opnion Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:26:52am |
re: #243 MandyManners
ACORN has changed its name to Community Organizations International.
Well, that changes everything, they will be completely legit mow.
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Bloodnok Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:27:42am |
re: #243 MandyManners
ACORN has changed its name to Community Organizations International.
Heh. Doesn't COI also stand for "Conflict of Interest"?
Double Heh. And good morning, Mandy!
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albusteve Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:28:44am |
re: #243 MandyManners
ACORN has changed its name to Community Organizations International.
very coi of them
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:29:47am |
You can dip a turd in gold but, it's still a turd.
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rightside Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:30:06am |
re: #244 songbird
Strange. If you google nswc dahlgren, look under the first result, and click on "careers", then "job opportunities" on that page.
Hope that helps.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:30:27am |
Does the "International" bit mean they're gonna' export the revolution?
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albusteve Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:31:44am |
re: #239 freetoken
The school district in question in that news story is Contra Costa county. I looked briefly at their proposed budgets... very complex (as these things have become), but one can see that they are being saddled by retirement expenses.
Indeed, on April 9 the county of Contra Costa had handed to a report (intended not just for the school district but for other county tax payer supported institutions), entitled:
Retiree Health Care Benefits Leaves County Tax Payers On The Hook (pdf), the executive summary of which states clearly that the county's retiree health care benefits have become a burden that the County can no longer afford.
This is well known throughout the State. From the local City retirement programs to County and School District retirement programs to the State employee programs - the future that has been promised (by benefits) is not fitting the reality.
To change retiree benefits is very, very difficult politically.
it's not "for the children" after all...that meme is spent
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:36:17am |
Fox just mentioned a poll that said 94 per cent of respondents said FCBBHO has been too timid while only six per cent said he had not.
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Lincolntf Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:38:00am |
Morning all.
Looking forward to the US Open finale. If Mickelson gets within a couple strokes of the lead, it'll be a spectacle.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:38:47am |
re: #256 legalpad
Obama smokes and signs the tobacco bill
But, it's to protect the chiiiiilllllllllldrennnnnnnnnnnnnn.
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:40:09am |
re: #258 MandyManners
But, it's to protect the chiiiiilllllllllldrennnnnnnnnnnnnn.
Obama and smoking, Clinton and ? . Both fine/ examples for the kiddies.
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opnion Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:40:23am |
re: #255 MandyManners
Fox just mentioned a poll that said 94 per cent of respondents said FCBBHO has been too timid while only six per cent said he had not.
It seems like the entire 6% did the weekend talk shows to talk about how measured & nuanced BHO is.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:41:15am |
Clinton was just trying to feel that young woman's pain.....
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:42:25am |
re: #261 Sharmuta
I thought I knew what to say about that but I don't
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:43:03am |
Programming note:
Mark Steyn will be substitute hosting "The Rush Limbaugh Show" today beginning at noon Eastern (U.S.). I'm sure he'll have some good commentary on developments regarding Iran and North Korea.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:43:08am |
re: #239 freetoken
The school district in question in that news story is Contra Costa county. I looked briefly at their proposed budgets... very complex (as these things have become), but one can see that they are being saddled by retirement expenses.
Indeed, on April 9 the county of Contra Costa had handed to a report (intended not just for the school district but for other county tax payer supported institutions), entitled:
Retiree Health Care Benefits Leaves County Tax Payers On The Hook (pdf), the executive summary of which states clearly that the county's retiree health care benefits have become a burden that the County can no longer afford.
This is well known throughout the State. From the local City retirement programs to County and School District retirement programs to the State employee programs - the future that has been promised (by benefits) is not fitting the reality.
To change retiree benefits is very, very difficult politically.
And changing these benefits is also, frankly, unfair to people who spent a career working under an employment "contract" that promised them these benefits.
If it's to be done, and if it's really worth doing, they should change it for those hired from a future date forward, not those hired under the current arrangement.
In many public jurisdiction budgets, some "employee" costs are hidden by having the work done as "contract" work.
If you are checking the budget, check out what is being spent on "contracts". There are some public jurisdictions that try to move away from hiring employees by putting things out on contract. It is cost-effective for short-term or temporary needs, but if any of those contracts are for long-term or permanent needs, the cost for the jurisdiction may exceed that of hiring employees.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:44:14am |
CA school crisis?....not really
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:44:38am |
re: #266 reine.de.tout
And changing these benefits is also, frankly, unfair to people who spent a career working under an employment "contract" that promised them these benefits.
If it's to be done, and if it's really worth doing, they should change it for those hired from a future date forward, not those hired under the current arrangement.
In many public jurisdiction budgets, some "employee" costs are hidden by having the work done as "contract" work.
If you are checking the budget, check out what is being spent on "contracts". There are some public jurisdictions that try to move away from hiring employees by putting things out on contract. It is cost-effective for short-term or temporary needs, but if any of those contracts are for long-term or permanent needs, the cost for the jurisdiction may exceed that of hiring employees.
I should add - "contracts" are also ways for public officials to steer work (and tax dollars) toward their friends and acquaintances -
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:44:39am |
re: #259 legalpad
Obama and smoking, Clinton and ? . Both fine/ examples for the kiddies.
Isn't part of this bill to ban flavored tobacco and the such?
Now, apply *that* to the Clinton issue.
*snicker*
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songbird Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:45:03am |
re: #252 rightside
Strange. If you google nswc dahlgren, look under the first result, and click on "careers", then "job opportunities" on that page.
Hope that helps.
Thanks! Will try!
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:45:30am |
re: #260 opnion
It seems like the entire 6% did the weekend talk shows to talk about how measured & nuanced BHO is.
I sometimes wonder if those shows are not geared to D.C. only.
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Dar ul Harb Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:45:49am |
re: #243 MandyManners
ACORN has changed its name to Community Organizations International.
Arise! Arise! Community organizations of the world unite!
/
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:46:20am |
re: #265 laZardo
What do you expect, it's Fox News.
/-half
I *think* they were discussing a poll taken by someone else. I don't know.
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:47:21am |
re: #245 MikeAlv77
Yep, unfortunately I do (dog recovered). The medicine involved is based on arsenic which is why they have to monitor her.
How old is she? And of course many prayers for Queenie.
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rightside Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:47:28am |
Has anyone not seen the new jibjab vid about obama?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:47:31am |
The Iranian gov't ordered Neda's memorial service cancelled, but from TehranBureau:
dige [what else] ... dishab [last night] was a candlelight vigil in front of UN in pasdaran for Neda, the girl who got killed, ...
Also:
the sms is still down cz they know the MOMENT its back on ppl will organize HUGE protests again ...tehran is so quiet, no traffic, ordinary life is at standstill, or barely crawling ...
i hope protests dont die out ... we've come too far to back down .... the only problem is mobilization is so weak ...
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:47:33am |
re: #268 reine.de.tout
I should add - "contracts" are also ways for public officials to steer work (and tax dollars) toward their friends and acquaintances -
You forgot "relatives".
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:48:13am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:48:39am |
re: #272 Dar ul Harb
Arise! Arise! Community organizations of the world unite!
/
I wonder if they're trying to hide who they are.
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:49:31am |
re: #274 wahabicorridor
Yep, unfortunately I do (dog recovered). The medicine involved is based on arsenic which is why they have to monitor her.
How old is she? And of course many prayers for Queenie.
Thanks. She was a stray so they think she is 4 or 5.
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Lincolntf Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:49:51am |
re: #243 MandyManners
So they go from a loose network of "community" groups supposedly interested in very local reforms and end up as a multi-billion dollar international conglomerate. That's Leftism all over.
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laZardo Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:51:13am |
re: #281 Lincolntf
"First you get the money. Then, you get the power. Then, you get the woman." - Rosie O'Donnell Al Pacino as Tony Montana
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albusteve Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:51:40am |
re: #275 rightside
Has anyone not seen the new jibjab vid about obama?
hillarious!...thanks for that
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Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:51:48am |
re: #271 MandyManners
I sometimes wonder if those shows are not geared to D.C. only.
Did you hear Krauthammer over the weekend? Stated the case very well and demolished Geraldo's strawmen.
The MSM is in a bind now.
While not as strong of a statement as I would have liked, Obama has now taken a non-neutral position and taken a side inasmuch as a guy like that can ever take a side.
What will the MSM spin be now? Great sense of timing? Or are they going to try to continue to spin Obama's words as still being neutral and nuanced?
I hope Tapper has some good questions lined up for today's daily presser.
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:51:50am |
re: #245 MikeAlv77
Couple more things about heartworm. Once Queenie is straightened out, you should give her medication monthly (we use Interceptor). These meds will kill any infection that began within 30-45 days prior.
Also, if you can afford it, have a reputable extermination firm mosquito bomb your yard. The insecticide they use if safe for pets if you keep them off for about 24 hrs. Mosquitos carry heartworm.
Also, West Nile, so the birdies will thank you too.
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Miss Trixie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:52:15am |
♪ ♬ Good morning, {lizards!} ♬ ♪
We've a gorgeous day in the valley and it's gonna be a scorcher! I've the day off from the daily grind so it's all good. :)
Prayers for the little dog - Queenie is her name
Going up! {MilkAlv77} Poor thing - she'll be ok as it sounds like she's in competent hands. Breaks your heart when your fuzzy friends suffer.
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:52:52am |
re: #261 Sharmuta
Clinton was just trying to feel that young woman's pain.....
Hell yeah.
If by "pain" we mean "breasts", or perhaps some other body part.
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:53:07am |
Good morning folks.
Yahoo headline:
These careers, with salaries between $43K and $78K, are in demand thanks to Obama's plan
thank you, Lord Obama.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:53:08am |
re: #281 Lincolntf
So they go from a loose network of "community" groups supposedly interested in very local reforms and end up as a multi-billion dollar international conglomerate. That's Leftism all over.
And, they have the backing of the federal government. And, our money.
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songbird Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:53:40am |
re: #286 Miss Trixie
♪ ♬ Good morning, {lizards!} ♬ ♪
We've a gorgeous day in the valley and it's gonna be a scorcher! I've the day off from the daily grind so it's all good. :)
Going up! {MilkAlv77} Poor thing - she'll be ok as it sounds like she's in competent hands. Breaks your heart when your fuzzy friends suffer.
Good morning, Miss Trixie!
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:54:12am |
re: #284 Pianobuff
Did you hear Krauthammer over the weekend? Stated the case very well and demolished Geraldo's strawmen.
The MSM is in a bind now.
While not as strong of a statement as I would have liked, Obama has now taken a non-neutral position and taken a side inasmuch as a guy like that can ever take a side.
What will the MSM spin be now? Great sense of timing? Or are they going to try to continue to spin Obama's words as still being neutral and nuanced?
I hope Tapper has some good questions lined up for today's daily presser.
I don't watch those shows over the weekend. I might watch the news but, I don't get into the squabbles.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:54:58am |
re: #287 iceweasel
Hell yeah.
If by "pain" we mean "breasts", or perhaps some other body part.
Uvula?
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badger1970 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:55:22am |
"Plan 9..." great movie in an entertaining value, a hell of a lot better than Night at the Museum 2.
Good morning all.
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:55:31am |
re: #282 laZardo
"First you get the money. Then, you get the power. Then, you get the woman." -
Rosie O'DonnellAl Pacino as Tony Montana
Spock: "After a time, you may find that 'having' is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as 'wanting.' It is not logical, but it is often true."
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haakondahl Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:55:48am |
re: #261 Sharmuta
Clinton was just trying to feel that young woman's pain.....
In retrospect, he was deeply traumatized by the fallout, and will carry the cigars for the rest of his life.
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Miss Trixie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:56:06am |
{wahabbi}!
Hello dear lady - long time no see. :D How are things, toots? And has the Fat Beagle behaved herself?
{Songbird} Backatcha! :D
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:56:45am |
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:57:12am |
re: #286 Miss Trixie
{MISS TRIXIE}
Long time no see, sweetcakes..........
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:58:44am |
re: #297 Miss Trixie
And has the Fat Beagle behaved herself?
Long story, short - no. We're exhausted with worry. A couple weeks ago she woke up at 4 am and proceeded to puke her gust out for 3 solid hours - blood everywhere.
Endoscopy is on Weds.
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haakondahl Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:58:53am |
re: #243 MandyManners
ACORN has changed its name to Community Organizations International.
And at what point does anything with "International" (which is at least honest) have involvement with our own census?
It's too bad that Bachmann is a kook, because I like her stand on the census and her willingness to fight. Problem is, she negates her own value to the party by espousing so many kook causes. This is not one of them.
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Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:58:58am |
re: #291 MandyManners
I don't watch those shows over the weekend. I might watch the news but, I don't get into the squabbles.
I tend to be selective and most of my viewing of commentary depends on the guests rather than the host. Krauthammer is one of the better ones, imo.
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Miss Trixie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:59:56am |
re: #299 wahabicorridor
{MISS TRIXIE}
Long time no see, sweetcakes..........
Tell me about it! Things are really hectic (loads of stress) at the orifice and I've almost lost 180lbs ... we had a settlement meeting last week, the final papers should be drawn up and I'll be freeeeeeee by end of summer, latest.
Poorer but freeeeeeeeeeeee! :D
How's things by you - all's well?
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:00:03am |
I don’t know if you’ve seen this video, but this is by and large my favorite video of of the Iranian revolt so far. It shows a large mass of people being kept back by riot police throwing tear gas grenades. At some point, a few people begin throwing the grenades back at the police and eventually the entire crowd joins in and rushes the police as they run away in fear!
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:02:01am |
re: #284 Pianobuff
Did you hear Krauthammer over the weekend? Stated the case very well and demolished Geraldo's strawmen.
The MSM is in a bind now.
While not as strong of a statement as I would have liked, Obama has now taken a non-neutral position and taken a side inasmuch as a guy like that can ever take a side.
What will the MSM spin be now? Great sense of timing? Or are they going to try to continue to spin Obama's words as still being neutral and nuanced?
I hope Tapper has some good questions lined up for today's daily presser.
The MSM won't have to look to libs for spin. Enough conservatives have praised Obama's approach, including George Will, Henry Kissinger, and Peggy Noonan, all just in the last couple of days.
/Mind you, I'm not endorsing any of those 3, just pointing out that there are these conservative voices out there that the MSM will highlight.
//And I want to shortcircuit the debate about whether any of those are 'real' conservatives. All that matters in terms of spin is that they'll be given a media platform and advertised as such.
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Miss Trixie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:02:43am |
re: #302 wahabicorridor
Long story, short - no. We're exhausted with worry. A couple weeks ago she woke up at 4 am and proceeded to puke her gust out for 3 solid hours - blood everywhere.
Endoscopy is on Weds.
Oh Jebus! I hope it's nothing serious - poor thing. Prayers going on up.
{Fat Beagle}
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:02:50am |
Union members' health benefits won't be taxed like everyone else's?
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badger1970 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:04:44am |
re: #306 FrogMarch
Unfortunately, they'll just bring in lethal force. As long as bo sits on his hands (or a thumb in his mouth), talk out of both sides of his mouth, let his weasily sate department kow-tow to the mullahs, nothing would come of the protests (think Tianimin Square).
All this is doing is providing snuff stuff for the internet inclined viewers.
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Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:04:50am |
re: #308 iceweasel
The MSM won't have to look to libs for spin. Enough conservatives have praised Obama's approach, including George Will, Henry Kissinger, and Peggy Noonan, all just in the last couple of days.
/Mind you, I'm not endorsing any of those 3, just pointing out that there are these conservative voices out there that the MSM will highlight.
//And I want to shortcircuit the debate about whether any of those are 'real' conservatives. All that matters in terms of spin is that they'll be given a media platform and advertised as such.
I guess my question is really around what the content of the spin will be from the MSM, not who the messenger is.
What is the story now? Is he being neutral or not? If he got their praise for being neutral before will he get their criticism now since he has reversed course?
That's what I'm wondering....
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:04:52am |
re: #305 Miss Trixie
Good morning Miss Trixie. Why do divorces cost so much? Because they are worth it.
/feeling your pain though, they are never fun.
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:05:15am |
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:05:45am |
Would you beleive a CBS/New York Times poll on Obamacare? me neither.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:05:50am |
G'day from Down Under to {everyone}!
Well we've had the shortest day of the year so it's countdown time for spring and summer!
Hello {Miss Trixie} Good to hear things are moving along for you darls
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:10:41am |
re: #320 aussiemagpie
G'day from Down Under to {everyone}!
Well we've had the shortest day of the year so it's countdown time for spring and summer!
Hello {Miss Trixie} Good to hear things are moving along for you darls
Howdy Aussie!
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Miss Trixie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:10:49am |
re: #317 BlueCanuck
Good morning Miss Trixie. Why do divorces cost so much? Because they are worth it.
/feeling your pain though, they are never fun.
Thanks, luv. It wouldn't be so bad if I hadn't been blinded by love, completely oblivious to his shenanigans - that's the part that cut to the bone.
{aussie} Darls! Great to see ya. *mwah* :D
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:11:35am |
re: #305 Miss Trixie
and I've almost lost 180lbs ... we had a settlement meeting last week, the final papers should be drawn up and I'll be freeeeeeee by end of summer, latest.
I lost 165 in mine! What a relief that was!
/may he rot in hell
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Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:11:55am |
"Love on the Rocks" by Neil Diamond playing on FNC.
Whazzup wit dat?
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:12:35am |
re: #320 aussiemagpie
Hey aussie!
read a National Geographic piece the other day about the drought. Gawd.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:13:03am |
re: #319 FrogMarch
Would you beleive a CBS/New York Times poll on Obamacare? me neither.
when they only poll droolers, they get the results they want
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aussiemagpie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:13:31am |
re: #321 rightside
Morning Aussie.
Good morning to you too rightside :-)
It's a mild winter's evening here, just after 11pm
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:14:00am |
Well good morning y'all - from a very warm (76 degrees, going up to 90 degrees) bright and sunny Charlottte!
How is everyone doing today?
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:14:18am |
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Miss Trixie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:14:20am |
wahabbi
I lost 165 in mine! What a relief that was!
*fist bump*
:D
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:14:40am |
re: #324 wahabicorridor
Heh, got you both beat. Won't brag though, it isn't gentelmanly to do so. Best thing I can say now is that it is in the past, and I have minimal hard feelings about her.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:15:34am |
re: #333 Mithrax
*stumbles in*
Is last week over yet?
Yes, but this week is just beginning. There should be laws against Mondays.
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Miss Trixie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:15:35am |
re: #329 realwest
Well good morning y'all - from a very warm (76 degrees, going up to 90 degrees) bright and sunny Charlottte!
How is everyone doing today?
{realwest} Morning luv *smoochie-smooch*3 I'm very glad to see you today - how's every little thing?
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:15:38am |
re: #316 Pianobuff
I guess my question is really around what the content of the spin will be from the MSM, not who the messenger is.
What is the story now? Is he being neutral or not? If he got their praise for being neutral before will he get their criticism now since he has reversed course?
That's what I'm wondering....
Well, if I look at my magic 8ball, the spin is going to be that Obama is cool, reasonable, intellectual, unmotivated by partisan ideology, and playing a very long term strategy which will pay off eventually. He will be lauded for being cautious when it was appropriate to be cautious, and equally lauded for making the statement that he did the other day, This will be portrayed as judiciously responding to events as they occur, rather than merely reacting.
He will be praised for his flexibility in times of crisis.
Much air time will be devoted to side issues like "Should he have gone for ice cream?"
In short, the usual circus we expect from the MSM. And the generic spin they employ for all Obama stories.
Vapid analysis, crap in place of real reporting, and some faction that are a personality cult that believe "Whatever dear leader does, he's acting in our best interests and we have faith in daddy dammit. Now let's all go back to watching American Idol."
(BTW, Bush had that personality cult too. Doesn't make it right though.)
/putting down the magic 8ball and backing away from it slowly....
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:15:50am |
re: #334 BlueCanuck
Yes, but this week is just beginning. There should be laws against Mondays.
Mondays are my day off :P
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:16:18am |
re: #324 wahabicorridor
I lost 165 in mine! What a relief that was!
Congratulations! As a health nut (mostly) I love to hear of success like this!
| 339 |
aussiemagpie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:16:39am |
re: #322 legalpad
Howdy Aussie!
Hi legalpad, good to see you, and it's good to be back here after a little break!
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:16:59am |
re: #338 legalpad
Congratulations! As a health nut (mostly) I love to hear of success like this!
Uh unless someone switched my coffee to decaf, they mean their ex's ;)
| 341 |
rightside Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:17:10am |
re: #328 aussiemagpie
Damn, I knew that. Goodnight then! lol
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:17:30am |
re: #335 {Miss Trixie} Hey good morning gorgeous! *smoochies* x 4 back to you!
And Congratulations and Mazel Tov (I know, I know) on losing all that weight! LOL!
I'm very pleased for you!
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Miss Trixie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:17:30am |
re: #330 legalpad
How is your health? You ok in that department?
LOL! Thanks so much for your concern but I was referring to my ex, not my weight. Made me laugh though and lawd know I needs me some giggles! :D
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laZardo Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:18:32am |
re: #336 iceweasel
Bush has a personality cult like Emmanuel Goldstein.
YOU DON'T WANT BUSH BACK, DO YOU?
/orwellian confusion deliberate
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:18:46am |
re: #340 Mithrax
Uh unless someone switched my coffee to decaf, they mean their ex's ;)
I'm glad somebody is willing to clue in the old man. It just seemed too light to be a person.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:18:59am |
The President is planning to sign a sweeping anti smoking bill ...
[Link: www.comcast.net...]
But hey ... I don't see anything hypocritical about that ... do you?
[Link: westcoastsuccess.wordpress.com...]
Just sayin'
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:19:11am |
re: #339 aussiemagpie
Hey good morning {aussie} *smooch* how are you today?
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:19:29am |
re: #327 albusteve
when they only poll droolers, they get the results they want
Agenda driven news in the new age of Obama. It's disgusting. Hi Albusteve.
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:19:34am |
re: #344 Miss Trixie
Sounds like you're more than OK, Trix!
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aussiemagpie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:20:13am |
re: #326 wahabicorridor
Hey aussie!
read a National Geographic piece the other day about the drought. Gawd.
Hi, and so sorry to hear about your doggie, what a worry!
We've had some bad droughts here, but our water restrictions in Sydney have just been lifted this week so we can wash the car again, water the garden and even hose the driveway
| 354 |
realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:21:22am |
re: #353 wahabicorridor
Good morning {wahabi} - how are you doing today?
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albusteve Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:21:29am |
re: #349 FrogMarch
Agenda driven news in the new age of Obama. It's disgusting. Hi Albusteve.
morning...
expect more this week when it's unveiled that his icecream cone diplomacy is pure genius
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Miss Trixie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:21:36am |
BlueCanuck
I heard on the news this morning that Toronto's inside/outside city "employees" *spit* are on strike.
Great. We're in a recession, lots of peeps in danger of losing or have lost their jobs and these a**hats pull a stunt like this. Their grievance: paid accumulated sick leave upon retirement.
*shakes head*
Unbelievable.
| 357 |
Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:21:39am |
re: #336 iceweasel
Well, if I look at my magic 8ball, the spin is going to be that Obama is cool, reasonable, intellectual, unmotivated by partisan ideology, and playing a very long term strategy which will pay off eventually. He will be lauded for being cautious when it was appropriate to be cautious, and equally lauded for making the statement that he did the other day, This will be portrayed as judiciously responding to events as they occur, rather than merely reacting.
He will be praised for his flexibility in times of crisis.Much air time will be devoted to side issues like "Should he have gone for ice cream?"
In short, the usual circus we expect from the MSM. And the generic spin they employ for all Obama stories.
Vapid analysis, crap in place of real reporting, and some faction that are a personality cult that believe "Whatever dear leader does, he's acting in our best interests and we have faith in daddy dammit. Now let's all go back to watching American Idol."(BTW, Bush had that personality cult too. Doesn't make it right though.)
/putting down the magic 8ball and backing away from it slowly....
. And this situation is so deserving of real critical analysis... I hope they put the ice cream cone down.
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:22:30am |
re: #356 Miss Trixie
BlueCanuck
I heard on the news this morning that Toronto's inside/outside city "employees" *spit* are on strike.
Great. We're in a recession, lots of peeps in danger of losing or have lost their jobs and these a**hats pull a stunt like this. Their grievance: paid accumulated sick leave upon retirement.
*shakes head*
Unbelievable.
Try living in Oshawa, all I hear from the GM workers is how they deserve their money too.
Greed knows no bounds.
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songbird Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:23:18am |
I cannot vouch for the veracity of this story but knowing how our Congress is run nowadays, I would not be surprised if it was true. It was sent to me by a friend this morning.
There is no cure for STUPID"
A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF REPRESENTATION WE HAVE IN CONGRESS,
TRUE STORY:
A noted psychiatrist was a guest Speaker at an academic function where Nancy Pelosi happened to appear. Ms Pelosi took the opportunity to schmooze the good doctor a bit and asked him a question with which he was most at ease. 'Would you mind telling me, Doctor,' she asked, 'how you detect a mental deficiency in somebody who appears completely normal?' 'Nothing is easier,' he replied. 'You ask a simple question which anyone should answer with no trouble.. If the person hesitates, that puts you on the track.' 'What sort of question?' asked Pelosi. Well, you might ask, 'Captain Cook made three trips around the world and died during one of them. Which one?'' Pelosi thought a moment, and then said with a nervous laugh, 'You wouldn't happen to have another example would you? I must confess I don't know much about history.'
GOD HELP OUR COUNTRY..
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:23:31am |
re: #347 _RememberTonyC
The President is planning to sign a sweeping anti smoking bill ...
[Link: www.comcast.net...]
But hey ... I don't see anything hypocritical about that ... do you?
You know what's hilarious about that? The more people they drive away from smokes, the more revenue they'll lose.
[Link: westcoastsuccess.wordpress.com...]
Just sayin'
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aussiemagpie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:23:44am |
re: #329 realwest
Well good morning y'all - from a very warm (76 degrees, going up to 90 degrees) bright and sunny Charlottte!
How is everyone doing today?
*SMOOCH* and lots of them to make up for not being here lately :-)
We had a lovely winter day here, the sun was out after weeks of rain, and I think the temp got up to 20C (about 70F)
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:24:40am |
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:25:05am |
re: #347 _RememberTonyC
Whoa, glad I read that article about smoking! HE's NOT banning cig smoking, just gonna have the FDA regulate it and even though it means the potential loss of 10,000 or so MORE jobs in North Carolina, I'm for it.
Just so long as I can get my cigs! LOL!
Course if the prohibited it altogether, then he'd really find employment for a LOT of people in the cigarette bootlegging business!
Oh and good morning to you!
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FrogMarch Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:26:03am |
re: #355 albusteve
morning...
expect more this week when it's unveiled that his icecream cone diplomacy is pure genius
When is that ABC pro-single payer government run health care after school special? emanating from the East Room
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:26:12am |
re: #356 Miss Trixie
I heard on the news this morning that Toronto's inside/outside city "employees" *spit* are on strike
What are 'inside/outside city employees'? Never heard the term.........
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:27:18am |
re: #358 mamacares
Good morning mamacares - You are very welcome.
Please let me know of any changes, ok?
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:27:55am |
re: #357 Pianobuff
. And this situation is so deserving of real critical analysis... I hope they put the ice cream cone down.
Wouldn't it be nice?
I don't have any faith in the MSM to ever do their jobs. They abdicated that responsibility long ago.
| 372 |
realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:28:42am |
re: #360 buzzsawmonkey
Hey buzz, good morning! Uh, they are not "sprinkles" they are properly called "jimmies" - just saying.......!
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Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:28:55am |
Up-to-the-minute sampling of Twitter updates on Iran.....
iran88 Hundreds protesting in 7 Tir, despite warning. CNN CONF: [Link: edition.cnn.com...] #iranelection #gr88 #neda
rahaeimma Over 100% voted in 50 cities - how is that NOT election fraud? [Link: www.presstv.ir...] #iranelection #iran #gr88
armyy FROM IRAN: Foreign Minister of Iran is talkning about dismissing other ambassadors from other countrys in iran. #iranelection #neda #gr88
Solstitial Revolutionary Guards threaten crackdown on any new street protest. [Link: ping.fm...] #IranElection #neda #gr88
iwanttolearn Haft Tir Sq - Meydan 7 Tir - Tehran happening now people gathering for Neda's Memorial. Go now. #Neda #Iran09 #gr88 #Iran #iranelection
RonGunzburger SMS,etc down in Iran, so only small disorganized protests so far rprtd. Silent rally for martyrs TODAY 4pm Haft Tir Sq. #IranElection #GR88
iranStreetNews Eric Raymond, a father of Open Source is helping us. He has setup #Neda Net, a network of hackers to help Iranians! [Link: xc68.gu.ma...] #gr88
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KenJen Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:29:07am |
re: #362 wahabicorridor
He can't quit cigarettes now. He's not done blowing smoke up everyone's asses.
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Miss Trixie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:29:08am |
Mithrax
Try living in Oshawa, all I hear from the GM workers is how they deserve their money too.
Don't these idjits understand that you earn your way in this world? Nothing's handed to you just because.
And what are your thoughts on that snake McGuinty's plan to have state-run childcare from birth to 12 years of age? I'm absolutely horrified!
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albusteve Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:29:42am |
re: #366 buzzsawmonkey
"There is no problem that we cannot lick."
good one but I'm split on the issue....have to see how it shakes out
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:29:50am |
re: #375 Miss Trixie
Mithrax
Don't these idjits understand that you earn your way in this world? Nothing's handed to you just because.
And what are your thoughts on that snake McGuinty's plan to have state-run childcare from birth to 12 years of age? I'm absolutely horrified!
My thoughts are that it's time to move.
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altermite Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:30:26am |
re: #361 songbird
I cannot vouch for the veracity of this story but knowing how our Congress is run nowadays, I would not be surprised if it was true. It was sent to me by a friend this morning.
There is no cure for STUPID"A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF REPRESENTATION WE HAVE IN CONGRESS,
TRUE STORY:A noted psychiatrist was a guest Speaker at an academic function where Nancy Pelosi happened to appear. Ms Pelosi took the opportunity to schmooze the good doctor a bit and asked him a question with which he was most at ease. 'Would you mind telling me, Doctor,' she asked, 'how you detect a mental deficiency in somebody who appears completely normal?' 'Nothing is easier,' he replied. 'You ask a simple question which anyone should answer with no trouble.. If the person hesitates, that puts you on the track.' 'What sort of question?' asked Pelosi. Well, you might ask, 'Captain Cook made three trips around the world and died during one of them. Which one?'' Pelosi thought a moment, and then said with a nervous laugh, 'You wouldn't happen to have another example would you? I must confess I don't know much about history.'
GOD HELP OUR COUNTRY.
Given that I heard an almost identical story about a different individual (A former member of the state legislature who was running for governer) a few years ago, I kind of doubt its true. It is a funny story, though.
| 379 |
legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:31:26am |
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Miss Trixie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:31:44am |
re: #369 wahabicorridor
What are 'inside/outside city employees'? Never heard the term.........
Outside: sanitation, parks, kids camps etc.
Inside: City hall, paperwork, permits etc.
Toronto is going to stink to high heaven in this heat in a few days.
Bloody commies run the city and their Mayor is the biggest one of all.
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:31:46am |
re: #367 legalpad
My wife has a girlfriend.
I thought of several responses to this but they were all pretty lewd.
I'll leave it with, good for you both!
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:31:53am |
re: #374 KenJen
He can't quit cigarettes now. He's not done blowing smoke up everyone's asses.
He doesn't need to. All of the MSM is busy blowing smoke up their own asses, saving him the trouble.
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:33:06am |
re: #378 altermite
Given that I heard an almost identical story about a different individual (A former member of the state legislature who was running for governer) a few years ago, I kind of doubt its true. It is a funny story, though.
Ditto. Not true, but funny, and to borrow and change a meme from a thread a few days ago:
Pelosi is, nonetheless, an idiot.
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:33:13am |
re: #378 altermite Good morning. Why couldn't it be true of both individuals?
I mean, it has a ring of credibility to me as Ms. Pelosi.
| 385 |
Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:33:20am |
re: #371 iceweasel
Wouldn't it be nice?
I don't have any faith in the MSM to ever do their jobs. They abdicated that responsibility long ago.
Maybe I'll put on Pet Sounds today. One of my favorite albums.
| 386 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:33:38am |
re: #356 Miss Trixie
Have I ever told you how much I hate David Miller? The asshat is a union enabler. This strike won't go long, and the union will get what ever they want. *spit*
/this mayor has cost the city so much in infrastructre spending it's sickening.
| 387 |
wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:33:54am |
re: #380 Miss Trixie
Outside: sanitation, parks, kids camps etc.
Inside: City hall, paperwork, permits etc.
So, basically, everybody. I assume there's a union involved.
| 388 |
Miss Trixie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:34:55am |
re: #377 Mithrax
My thoughts are that it's time to move.
GMTA. I would love to go back to Calgary and be closer to my beloved Rocky Mountains and when I surfed for home prices I darn near fell off my chair - NOTHING available under $200,000.
I'm stuck for now unless I want to move to the Prairies and I don't think I want to freeze my floaties off any more than necessary. I finally defrosted just last week, ferheavensake!
*shiver*
| 389 |
Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:34:59am |
re: #387 wahabicorridor
So, basically, everybody. I assume there's a union involved.
In toronto? They'd unionize average citizens if they could.
| 390 |
_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:35:12am |
re: #365 realwest
Whoa, glad I read that article about smoking! HE's NOT banning cig smoking, just gonna have the FDA regulate it and even though it means the potential loss of 10,000 or so MORE jobs in North Carolina, I'm for it.
Just so long as I can get my cigs! LOL!
Course if the prohibited it altogether, then he'd really find employment for a LOT of people in the cigarette bootlegging business!
Oh and good morning to you!
Mornin' RW .... Hope you're feeling well. I'm sure the President doesn't give a spit about jobs in NC ....
| 391 |
realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:35:31am |
re: #382 wahabicorridor
He doesn't need to. All of the MSM is busy blowing smoke up their own asses, saving him the trouble.
Wouldn't really mind that, except that the MSM is busy blowing smoke up OUR asses too!
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:36:33am |
re: #388 Miss Trixie
GMTA. I would love to go back to Calgary and be closer to my beloved Rocky Mountains and when I surfed for home prices I darn near fell off my chair - NOTHING available under $200,000.
I'm stuck for now unless I want to move to the Prairies and I don't think I want to freeze my floaties off any more than necessary. I finally defrosted just last week, ferheavensake!
*shiver*
Oh I'm looking out west. I don't mind the cold whatsoever, and I'm trying to see if there's work available in Northern BC.
Hell if I could I'd move to the Yukon Territory. In my expereince, there's nothing like the BFE to clear your head.
| 393 |
wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:36:51am |
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:37:05am |
re: #380 Miss Trixie
The problem is that I have known very few citys were the council or mayor have been good managers. Don't get me started on what my home town council has done over the years. The only good mayor actually died in office. My dad joked that he was assinated because he was too conservative and forward thinking for most of the council and city. Needless to say the city is now a dying one. It just doesn't look like it yet.
/I give it ten years before the rot collapses it.
| 395 |
wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:37:50am |
re: #391 realwest
except that the MSM is busy blowing smoke up OUR asses too!
Speak for yerself, Sparky.
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:38:00am |
re: #390 _RememberTonyC
I'm sure he won't give a spit about jobs anywhere until, around 2012 or so. But he carried North Carolina (first time a Dem's done that) in 2008 by a very slim margin and if we had a do-over today, he'd lose this state.
| 398 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:38:25am |
What's with all this pretended concern by Obama about being made a scapegoat by the Iranian mullahs? It is as phony as a 3 dollar bill.
Keep in mind that Khameini has ALREADY blamed the US for meddling in the election. So the issue is already moot.
Obama claims to be very concerned about being used by the mullahs, presumably to avoid being held to account for their own wrongdoings. So with a smirk and a knowing wink, he pretends that his lack of condemnation of the corrupt electoral process is actually in the best interests of the Iranian people. What a crock.
Only a lily-livered gutless coward would allow his own words and deeds to be dictated by such a concern, instead of saying and doing what he believes to be in the best interests of the US? Surely Obama is not a weakling!
Actually, I believe it is more likely that Obama has no concerns about the US being made a scapegoat. I think he is instead cynically holding his tongue in order to keep the door open to futute negotiations with the mullahs, if, as he believes in his dhimmified mind, they should be successfull in retaining power.
And of course the MSM swallows the stink-bait - hook, line and sinker.
| 400 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:39:14am |
re: #397 albusteve
you talkin Toronto?
No, a small town/city that's been run by NIMBYists for the bast 80 years. We could have been Oshawa believe it or not.
| 401 |
Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:39:20am |
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Miss Trixie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:39:28am |
Blue
Have I ever told you how much I hate David Miller? The asshat is a union enabler. This strike won't go long, and the union will get what ever they want. *spit*
/this mayor has cost the city so much in infrastructre spending it's sickening.
Yup. Stupidity is spreading and it's surrepticiously snaking into conservative strongholds in the West. I could cry.
wahabbi
A union? Youuuuuuuuuuuuuu betcha!
/what else could it possibly be?
| 403 |
realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:39:43am |
re: #395 wahabicorridor
Huh, I thought I was speaking for myself! And it's Scooter not Sparky!
dagnabit!
| 404 |
realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:40:31am |
re: #396 realwest
PIMF: First time a Dems done that since RWR.
| 405 |
Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:40:36am |
re: #400 BlueCanuck
No, a small town/city that's been run by NIMBYists for the bast 80 years. We could have been Oshawa believe it or not.
It's funny, I only live and work here because I had to, and most of the locals don't see how....sad....this city is.
| 406 |
Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:42:03am |
re: #398 Spare O'Lake
What's with all this pretended concern by Obama about being made a scapegoat by the Iranian mullahs? It is as phony as a 3 dollar bill.
Keep in mind that Khameini has ALREADY blamed the US for meddling in the election. So the issue is already moot.
Obama claims to be very concerned about being used by the mullahs, presumably to avoid being held to account for their own wrongdoings. So with a smirk and a knowing wink, he pretends that his lack of condemnation of the corrupt electoral process is actually in the best interests of the Iranian people. What a crock.Only a lily-livered gutless coward would allow his own words and deeds to be dictated by such a concern, instead of saying and doing what he believes to be in the best interests of the US? Surely Obama is not a weakling!
Actually, I believe it is more likely that Obama has no concerns about the US being made a scapegoat. I think he is instead cynically holding his tongue in order to keep the door open to futute negotiations with the mullahs, if, as he believes in his dhimmified mind, they should be successfull in retaining power.
And of course the MSM swallows the stink-bait - hook, line and sinker.
How's this for a fantasy?
Remember Whoopi's Oda May Brown character in the movie ghost that gets her body taken over by Swayze?
How about if Reagan similarly jumped into Obama's body at the right times?
| 407 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:42:16am |
I've decided not to get The Kid a Grivet monkey for his birthday. The price of $4,500.00 is kinda' steep but, a few moments ago I stood on the balcony that overlooks the entryway and imagined the monkey leaping from it onto the chandelier, and knocking down all those pretty lead-cyrstal drops and balls. I could even hear them explode as they dropped.
I next saw the chandelier-repair guy on his ladder, calculating what it would cost for his hourly rate is as well as the cost of replacing each one. I then gazed across the entryway down into the dining room where I could see the monkey climbing the china cabinet, then leaping off it onto the other chandelier. My left eye started twitching at that point.
(It would make for an interesting show-and-tell next year since I think he'd be the only one to bring a monkey. Well, one of his best buddies' ranch has a flock of peacocks but his mom doesn't want him to bring one to school.)
Now, maybe a pygmy goat....
| 408 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:42:41am |
re: #374 KenJen
He can't quit cigarettes now. He's not done blowing smoke up everyone's asses.
ROFLMAO!
| 409 |
legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:42:47am |
re: #381 iceweasel
I thought of several responses to this but they were all pretty lewd.
I'll leave it with, good for you both!
lol - Nothing lewd here! They just care a lot about each other. They work together at school. When her girlfriend gets drunk she is just real friendly. I stay out of it. I'm a real prude in certain respects.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:43:23am |
re: #396 realwest
I'm sure he won't give a spit about jobs anywhere until, around 2012 or so. But he carried North Carolina (first time a Dem's done that) in 2008 by a very slim margin and if we had a do-over today, he'd lose this state.
really? he'd lose NC if the election were held today? why the change?
| 411 |
razorbacker Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:43:44am |
'Morning Homies and Homettes,
Good Fathers Day yesterday. Daughter fed me more than I should have eaten, lavished banana pudding with real, whipped-it-herself cream on top into my gullet, and dragged me out for some daddy/daughter bonding to see the Star Wars movie.
So I gots no complaints.
Except when I got home I started up the newish netbook to find that when the wife shut it down last time she shut it down for the last time.
Damned Chinese-made piece o' krep.
To go with the fact that another Chinese-made piece o' krep (with a nice Euro-American nameplate on it) TV died Friday...well boys and girls it looks like I'll be out there stimulating the economy a little bit more.
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Miss Trixie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:45:15am |
re: #392 Mithrax
Oh I'm looking out west. I don't mind the cold whatsoever, and I'm trying to see if there's work available in Northern BC.
Hell if I could I'd move to the Yukon Territory. In my expereince, there's nothing like the BFE to clear your head.
They're screaming for people in the Northwest Territories! Land of the midnight Sun and all that.
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:45:35am |
re: #410 _RememberTonyC
Jobs. I was talking about your comment that he'd outlawed cigarettes. North Carolina is the single largest tobacco growing and processing state in the nation (a dubious distinction, to be sure but true nonetheless).
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laZardo Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:45:42am |
re: #406 Pianobuff
How's this for a fantasy?
Remember Whoopi's Oda May Brown character in the movie ghost that gets her body taken over by Swayze?
How about if Reagan similarly jumped into Obama's body at the right times?
BUSH LITE!
/ q;
//still wondering if it's more than a coincidence that the Iranian hostages got released right after Reagan got inaugurated.
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:46:05am |
re: #412 Miss Trixie
They're screaming for people in the Northwest Territories! Land of the midnight Sun and all that.
While my job is transferrable, it's not that transferrable sadly.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:46:11am |
re: #405 Mithrax
Yeah, I was checking out properties a couple of years ago and looked up Oshawa. Real cheap residential properties out there. I then started to look at the job market and realized that the market was on a downward spiral.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:46:26am |
re: #407 MandyManners
I've decided not to get The Kid a Grivet monkey for his birthday. The price of $4,500.00 is kinda' steep but, a few moments ago I stood on the balcony that overlooks the entryway and imagined the monkey leaping from it onto the chandelier, and knocking down all those pretty lead-cyrstal drops and balls. I could even hear them explode as they dropped.
I next saw the chandelier-repair guy on his ladder, calculating what it would cost for his hourly rate is as well as the cost of replacing each one. I then gazed across the entryway down into the dining room where I could see the monkey climbing the china cabinet, then leaping off it onto the other chandelier. My left eye started twitching at that point.
(It would make for an interesting show-and-tell next year since I think he'd be the only one to bring a monkey. Well, one of his best buddies' ranch has a flock of peacocks but his mom doesn't want him to bring one to school.)
Now, maybe a pygmy goat....
Here in Connecticut, we had a really bad story about a primate/pet who mangled a poor woman almost to death. get your son a puppy ... or better yet .... a goldfish :)
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aussiemagpie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:46:44am |
re: #411 razorbacker
Hi, glad you had a good Fathers Day..our Fathers day is not until September so our daddies have to wait a bit longer for their treats :-)
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:46:45am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:46:55am |
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:47:44am |
re: #417 _RememberTonyC
A goldfish? Do you know how hard it is to walk one of them?! First there's the problem of putting on the leash and then................!
:
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:48:12am |
re: #413 realwest
Jobs. I was talking about your comment that he'd outlawed cigarettes. North Carolina is the single largest tobacco growing and processing state in the nation (a dubious distinction, to be sure but true nonetheless).
But ... but .... won't the folks in NC believe the poor economy is the fault of the evil (j/k) George W Bush? Are you saying that TarHeels are waking up before the rest of the country?
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:48:13am |
re: #416 BlueCanuck
Yeah, I was checking out properties a couple of years ago and looked up Oshawa. Real cheap residential properties out there. I then started to look at the job market and realized that the market was on a downward spiral.
Depends on where you live.
South of the 401, there are a few nice streets, but mostly semi-industrial suburbia and housing complexes. = Cheap housing
North of Taunton road it's decent tract housing and almost totally commuter country. = not so cheap housing.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:48:19am |
re: #412 Miss Trixie
They're screaming for people in the Northwest Territories! Land of the midnight Sun and all that.
Hmmm, right about now is where I would link "The Cremation of Sam McGee", creepy version. ;) But here is the written version and the last verses sum up my feelings of this.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:48:31am |
re: #417 _RememberTonyC
Here in Connecticut, we had a really bad story about a primate/pet who mangled a poor woman almost to death. get your son a puppy ... or better yet .... a goldfish :)
Got a dog already, and we specialize in killinng goldfish.
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Miss Trixie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:49:00am |
Whoopsie! Gotta go - the rep from the alarm company has finally arrived to install updated equipment.
I have a feeling I'd better keep a tinfoil hat around if the last moonbat rep that was here for work is any indication.
BBL! *poof*
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:49:04am |
Just like I specialize in killing the English language this morning.
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opnion Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:49:14am |
re: #271 MandyManners
I sometimes wonder if those shows are not geared to D.C. only.
They think that we all think like they do.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:49:37am |
re: #421 realwest
A goldfish? Do you know how hard it is to walk one of them?! First there's the problem of putting on the leash and then................!
:
I love goldfish ... and the easiest way to walk one is to put the goldfish bowl on a radio flyer wagon and hit the streets :)
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:49:38am |
re: #422 _RememberTonyC
Uh, Bush fought against that law giving the FDA powers to regulate tobacco - so this is one that Obama can't blame on Bush!
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:49:44am |
re: #409 legalpad
lol - Nothing lewd here! They just care a lot about each other. They work together at school. When her girlfriend gets drunk she is just real friendly. I stay out of it. I'm a real prude in certain respects.
I hear you.
Despite supporting the rights of people to let their freak flag fly however and whatever their freak is, (assuming consenting adults, etc), I personally am a little -- how to put it? I'm not a fan of indiscriminate physical affection, and it puts me off a bit, personally, when done to me.
Like you, I stay out of it.
/besides, someone has to hold the videocamera.
(kidding!)
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:50:40am |
re: #426 Miss Trixie
Whoopsie! Gotta go - the rep from the alarm company has finally arrived to install updated equipment.
I have a feeling I'd better keep a tinfoil hat around if the last moonbat rep that was here for work is any indication.
BBL! *poof*
My! People come and go so quickly here!
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:51:12am |
HEY Y'ALL - we've been, naturally, focused on Iran these last few days, but what has Nork been up to lately? Last I heard the USS John McCain was trailing that Nork ship and then........nada.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:51:16am |
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:51:22am |
re: #425 MandyManners
Got a dog already, and we specialize in killinng goldfish.
maybe you've been buying palestinian fish ... they tend to be suicidal ...
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razorbacker Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:51:38am |
re: #418 aussiemagpie
Hi, glad you had a good Fathers Day..our Fathers day is not until September so our daddies have to wait a bit longer for their treats :-)
'Twas an excellent Fathers Day.
Fathers know the secret of having a good day. We keep our expectations low, so virtually anything is above expectation. I figure if I'm not actually responsible for paying the bail, or sweeping up after the explosion, or having to hide the bodies that it has been a good Fathers Day.
I leave it up to the Mom to build hopes, and obsess over the perceived slights, and wonder just where I went wrong to raise such an ungrateful child.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:52:07am |
re: #430 realwest
Uh, Bush fought against that law giving the FDA powers to regulate tobacco - so this is one that Obama can't blame on Bush!
LOL .... although I'm sure he'll try.
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:52:21am |
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:52:41am |
re: #433 realwest
HEY Y'ALL - we've been, naturally, focused on Iran these last few days, but what has Nork been up to lately? Last I heard the USS John McCain was trailing that Nork ship and then........nada.
I heard a snippet on Fox this morning that the Navy is tracking a suspect ship.
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:52:42am |
re: #431 iceweasel
I'm not a fan of indiscriminate physical affection
There you go. That is a good way to put it. I have to hide my reaction when a zillion different women come up and hug me as a routine greeting/goodbye. It seems to be a custom around here.
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:53:56am |
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:54:04am |
So long for now, my friends. Will check back later! Have a great day and pray for the freedom fighters in iran ...
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:54:38am |
re: #433 realwest
HEY Y'ALL - we've been, naturally, focused on Iran these last few days, but what has Nork been up to lately? Last I heard the USS John McCain was trailing that Nork ship and then........nada.
Headed for Myanmar via Singapore. Where it is at the moment, I have no idea.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:54:40am |
Good morning everyone. If you're having a case of the Mondays, this should cheer you up:
[Link: torontoist.com...]
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razorbacker Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:54:59am |
I see that under at least one of the universal health plans proposed for the U.S. of A. that union members would be exempted from participation, if they wished to be.
A cynic, and of course that leaves me out, would note how many government employees are union members. But I'm not even going to point that out.
'We have the greatest health care system in the world. Come, Citizens, help me change our health care system."
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:55:03am |
re: #435 _RememberTonyC
maybe you've been buying palestinian fish ... they tend to be suicidal ...
Maybe a koi pond. Oh, wait. I can see The Kid standing next to it with his fishing pole. (He asked one of my neighbors if he could go fishing in her koi pond and she laughed as if it was the wittiest thing she'd heard all night.)
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:55:43am |
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:56:08am |
re: #440 legalpad
There you go. That is a good way to put it. I have to hide my reaction when a zillion different women come up and hug me as a routine greeting/goodbye. It seems to be a custom around here.
I have that problem through work too.
One time we were working with some teens in a residential community (that was an alternative to prison for them, so they could deal with their drug and alcohol addictions) and right around Christmas time this one young girl took my kindness to mean something else entirely.
She started hugging me randomly (and not quick, simple hugs either). I had to back away from helping when she started to write my name on her arms....
After that I just now generally avoid hugging people altogether unless I know them well.
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:56:30am |
re: #429 _RememberTonyC
"a radio flyer wagon " Oh my. Memories. Like my first Red Ryder BB gun with a wooden stock and under-barrel sleeve!
Aye, them was the days lad, no helmets for riding a pedal powered bicycle, BB guns galore, no "T" ball - someone actually threw the ball in your general direction in Little League, no helmets for Baseball players and someone 6'8" was considered Tall in the NBA so players used to pass the ball to each other instead of to the Center who'd turn around and jam it!
(sudden wave of nostalgia and wonderment that I survived long enough to go to Vietnam!)!
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:56:38am |
re: #438 iceweasel
oh and thanks! I keep screwing that up! ugh.
I don't even know how to do it. Your link-thing works fine for the list of Beach Boy songs, I just could make it go straight to "Wouldn't It Be Nice". I took a little time out to watch "Don't Worry Baby".
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:56:38am |
re: #445 razorbacker
I see that under at least one of the universal health plans proposed for the U.S. of A. that union members would be exempted from participation, if they wished to be.
A cynic, and of course that leaves me out, would note how many government employees are union members. But I'm not even going to point that out.
'We have the greatest health care system in the world. Come, Citizens, help me change our health care system."
I heard that this morning. Isn't it because the health benefits come from the unions instead of the employers?
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opnion Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:56:51am |
Honestly, this MSM all Obama all the time is getting tedious.
Yesterdays Parade Magazine featured BHO in a Fathers Day Special.
60 Minutes also featured him for Fathers Day.
He is not the first President to be a father.
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:56:53am |
re: #447 MandyManners
I'm waiting to see if anyone gets my reference.
We'll let you polish the ruby slippers whilst you are waiting :)
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:56:57am |
re: #435 _RememberTonyC
maybe you've been buying palestinian fish ... they tend to be suicidal ...
Arafish?
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KenJen Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:57:21am |
re: #444 Mad Al-Jaffee
Good morning everyone. If you're having a case of the Mondays, this should cheer you up:
[Link: torontoist.com...]
Cute.Cute.Cute. All except for the pink poodle./
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:57:50am |
Good morning folks, hot & humid day in Toronto... a perfect day a... Garbage Strike! Yesiree, 24,000 city employees are out on strike to defend their precious right to 18 bankable sick-days per year.
My employer gives me 4 sick days but if I don't use them in a year, I cannot roll them over to the next year. I thought that was ok.
Meanwhile, the city is nearly bankrupt, property taxes are getting jacked up and just in time for the summer, city run pools & parks are being closed. Still that's all worth it so I can continue to fund the 18 bankable sick-days per year for the union employees. I wouldn't want to live in a city that can't afford that!
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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johnnyreb Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:58:15am |
re: #446 MandyManners
Maybe a koi pond. Oh, wait. I can see The Kid standing next to it with his fishing pole. (He asked one of my neighbors if he could go fishing in her koi pond and she laughed as if it was the wittiest thing she'd heard all night.)
I tried that and the coyotes and raccoons ate every single koi I put in the pond. I gave up and drained the pond and filled it back in. Two months of work literally down the drain. They even pulled the water plants out and left them next to the pond.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:58:25am |
re: #444 Mad Al-Jaffee
Ah, last weekend. I was busy with Luminato. :)
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:58:29am |
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:58:44am |
re: #440 legalpad
There you go. That is a good way to put it. I have to hide my reaction when a zillion different women come up and hug me as a routine greeting/goodbye. It seems to be a custom around here.
Yes. I'm female and it squicks me when other women do it to me too.
I like my personal space.
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nyc redneck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:58:46am |
re: #417 _RememberTonyC
Here in Connecticut, we had a really bad story about a primate/pet who mangled a poor woman almost to death. get your son a puppy ... or better yet .... a goldfish :)
i agree,
pet monkeys never quite work out. sometimes they are used as service monkeys.
trained to turn lights off and on, answer the phone retrieve things for people. but they have to have their teeth and claws removed because they can never be
completely trusted.
(just thinking abt that chimp that bit that woman's face off makes my blood run cold. )
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:58:59am |
re: #447 MandyManners
I'm waiting to see if anyone gets my reference.
Simple. Wizard of Oz, Dorthy in Munchkinland after Glinda leaves.
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:59:21am |
re: #439 MandyManners
Thanks Mandy - and good idea to forget about getting the Kiddo his own monkey - go with the goldfish instead!
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:59:41am |
re: #450 legalpad
I don't even know how to do it. Your link-thing works fine for the list of Beach Boy songs, I just could make it go straight to "Wouldn't It Be Nice". I took a little time out to watch "Don't Worry Baby".
Another great song!
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:59:41am |
re: #458 johnnyreb
I tried that and the coyotes and raccoons ate every single koi I put in the pond. I gave up and drained the pond and filled it back in. Two months of work literally down the drain. They even pulled the water plants out and left them next to the pond.
No coyotes but, we have our share of 'coons.
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laZardo Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:59:48am |
re: #456 Kenneth
Remember the Italian garbage strike? Some say the local Mafia were behind it...
/ol' school.
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 6:59:56am |
re: #452 opnion
Yesterdays Parade Magazine featured BHO in a Fathers Day Special.
I heard this morning that the White House actually solicited Parade Magazine for that, not the other way around.
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:00:25am |
re: #448 Mithrax
I have that problem through work too.
One time we were working with some teens in a residential community (that was an alternative to prison for them, so they could deal with their drug and alcohol addictions) and right around Christmas time this one young girl took my kindness to mean something else entirely.
She started hugging me randomly (and not quick, simple hugs either). I had to back away from helping when she started to write my name on her arms....
After that I just now generally avoid hugging people altogether unless I know them well.
You got to watch out for them kiddies. They always take everything the wrong way. Especially the traumatized ones. Intelligent middle-age women, on the other hand, know what they are doing.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:00:47am |
re: #463 BlueCanuck
Simple. Wizard of Oz, Dorthy in Munchkinland after Glinda leaves.
I useta' imagine that I could make Glinda come back when I blew soap bubbles.
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:01:06am |
re: #470 legalpad
You got to watch out for them kiddies. They always take everything the wrong way. Especially the traumatized ones. Intelligent middle-age women, on the other hand, know what they are doing.
Oh I've had trouble with them too.
It's so much easier to socialize through the net.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:01:40am |
re: #433 realwest
Good morning, my friend. How are you doing today? I had a great weekend: a lovely Fathers Day capped with steaks on the grill and my wife's homemade strawberry-rhubarb pie. MMmmmmmm.....
Yea ask and yea shall receive:
Escalation Coming to North Korea Soon
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:01:50am |
re: #465 realwest
Thanks Mandy - and good idea to forget about getting the Kiddo his own monkey - go with the goldfish instead!
I'm thinking pygmy goat.
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johnnyreb Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:02:33am |
re: #467 MandyManners
No coyotes but, we have our share of 'coons.
I literally dug the pond by myself. 30,000 gallons and I put a butt ton of money into plants and fish and decorations. It looked gorgeous. I was not pleased when the Koi started disappearing. I caught my neighbors cat "fishing" one night. I asked him to keep his cat in his own yard. He came back and asked me what I expected a cat to do and inquired if building a mouse farm was next on my list.
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Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:02:53am |
Fox reporting that despite orders for no protests today, hundreds if not thousands have grouped together in Tehran. Police are attempting to break it up with teargas, firing bullets in the air, etc.
Heard elsewhere that the state is ready to bring in the Revolutionary Guard if protests continue. Apparently the basij and police aren't doing the job. If so, that would be a MAJOR escalation.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:03:09am |
re: #456 Kenneth
Remember the garbage strike in the summer of 2001? I was working in the Beaches in a restaraunt at the time. My poor nose.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:03:16am |
re: #452 opnion
Honestly, this MSM all Obama all the time is getting tedious.
Yesterdays Parade Magazine featured BHO in a Fathers Day Special.
60 Minutes also featured him for Fathers Day.
He is not the first President to be a father.
//But Bush sired to those two unruly spoiled skanks, whereas Obama's kids are the cutest little darlin's evah!
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:04:24am |
re: #483 Kenneth
It's Camelot all over again.....
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:04:25am |
re: #475 MandyManners
I'm thinking pygmy goat.
Are you serious? Have you considered what the vet bills could be? They're not a common pet and finding a vet that could take care of it could be pricey.
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The Left Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:04:30am |
re: #469 wahabicorridor
I heard this morning that the White House actually solicited Parade Magazine for that, not the other way around.
Hmm. Could be true but I doubt it only because there was soooo much fawning coverage of Obama and father's day from so many sources.
I saw something yesterday that was so fawning it almost made *me* hurl; I didn't post it here because I feared it'd be the equivalent of infecting everyone with Ebola. It was somewhere mainstream too, not one of the expected suspects like HuffPo or Kos.
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:04:48am |
re: #457 Mad Al-Jaffee
I forgot that one. But I thought it was running with scissors that was dangerous back then, no?!
Y'all remember putting plastic coated playing cards in the spokes of your bicycle to get that "rrrr, rrr" sound?
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:05:16am |
re: #488 realwest
I forgot that one. But I thought it was running with scissors that was dangerous back then, no?!
Y'all remember putting plastic coated playing cards in the spokes of your bicycle to get that "rrrr, rrr" sound?
Baseball cards I found were better for that :)
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:05:25am |
re: #478 johnnyreb
I literally dug the pond by myself. 30,000 gallons and I put a butt ton of money into plants and fish and decorations. It looked gorgeous. I was not pleased when the Koi started disappearing. I caught my neighbors cat "fishing" one night. I asked him to keep his cat in his own yard. He came back and asked me what I expected a cat to do and inquired if building a mouse farm was next on my list.
LOL!
*ahem*
That's a lot of work you did.
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Sunlight Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:05:51am |
Finally, I see a sentence from an Iranian that could result in louder support for the protesters:
And if this regime is allowed to have a nuclear weapon it will do the exact same thing with the entire world. This regime does not represent the people of Iran.
It appears in a pullquote of Batebi (albeit, he lives in the U.S.) from Part 4. So will he specifically say he doesn't want Iran to destroy Israel, Euro cities, and the rest of the world? Will he say that if Mousavi wants to fight the neighbors or the rest of the world, then he is part of the problem that the people are protesting, and not the solution? Inquiring minds want to know.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:06:11am |
re: #476 irish rose
Have you posted a response on defenseman's blog to Dick Kent, Esq.?
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razorbacker Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:06:13am |
re: #451 MandyManners
I heard that this morning. Isn't it because the health benefits come from the unions instead of the employers?
That's how I understand it, as Gaia gives me the grace to understand anything.
Camel. Nose. Tent-flap.
I remember the early days of the anti-smoking healthnazis. Fools and conspiracy nuts warned that now they were after cigarettes but just you wait, they'd come after candy and soda-pop next. What a bunch of maroons.
I remember the first seat-belts, and the cackling of the freedomchickens that next they'd be ticketing free Ah-Murricans for not buckling up. Bunch of Chicken Littles, they were.
Shoot, Darling. You might as well imagine a place where salt is outlawed on restaurant tables. Can't do it, can you?
Or a place that bans private handgun ownership, and then has knife-crime rise so they have to ban blades of a particular length and that doesn't work so they have to invent a stab-less knife and next will have to ban flat bastard files.
Camel. Nose. Tent-flap.
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:06:23am |
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:06:48am |
re: #480 MandyManners
Is that a phantom whacking with the cluebyfour? :P
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:07:56am |
re: #485 wahabicorridor
Are you serious? Have you considered what the vet bills could be? They're not a common pet and finding a vet that could take care of it could be pricey.
Our vet's practice includes domesticated animals and farm animals. She treats lotsa' goats.
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:08:45am |
re: #498 MandyManners
Our vet's practice includes domesticated animals and farm animals. She treats lotsa' goats.
How about a potbellied pig? They're very loyal animals, and if you ever miss a grocery run you've got lots of food! :)
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:08:58am |
Peaceful relations between Israel and Iran would be possible if new leadership took power in Tehran, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in an interview with a German newspaper.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Bibi is a moron. First of all ain't a chance in hell of that and he should just keep his yap shut.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:09:20am |
re: #481 BlueCanuck
Oh man, I remember it. In fact I remember eating a restaurant in the Beaches at the time... it was the only place to go out for dinner because there you could get a breeze from the lake. Chinatown was toxic!
which restaurant were you at, anyway?
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opnion Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:10:11am |
re: #469 wahabicorridor
I heard this morning that the White House actually solicited Parade Magazine for that, not the other way around.
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Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:10:14am |
For the 2nd day in a row, Rasmussen reports Obama's strongly approve/strongly disapprove difference to be negative. Today and yesterday are the first two days since inauguration that this has happened.
Gallup reports 57% approval - a new low in their poll.
Meanwhile the NYT reports that 98.8% of Americans want a public healthcare option (snark).
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:10:17am |
re: #488 realwest
Running with scissors and swimming without waiting a half hour after eating were the leading causes of child deaths in the 70s.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:10:42am |
re: #487 rightside
Hey, who could forget drunken frat girls?
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:10:53am |
re: #501 Kenneth
Used to work at Il Fornellos. Just down from Licks. I was the dish licker and the poor unfortunate that had to deal with all the trash. And I got the year wrong, it was 2002. :p
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:10:56am |
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:11:20am |
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razorbacker Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:11:28am |
re: #478 johnnyreb
I literally dug the pond by myself. 30,000 gallons and I put a butt ton of money into plants and fish and decorations. It looked gorgeous. I was not pleased when the Koi started disappearing. I caught my neighbors cat "fishing" one night. I asked him to keep his cat in his own yard. He came back and asked me what I expected a cat to do and inquired if building a mouse farm was next on my list.
We had a simular experience, except it wasn't cats, it was herons, 'coons, and one tiny grey fox.
Fished 'em out quick-like.
So, I took my cheap-skate behind to the baitshop and bought three dozen goldfish (sold as bait). I'll be darned, there were 5 black goldfish in there and 3 multicolored goldfish that the untrained eye can't tell from koi. Feed 'em twice a day and within 6 weeks you have palm-sized koi.
But they have no pedigree. So I can't brag about how expensive they were.
Look nice swimming around, though. And since they're throwaway cheap, no worries.
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KenJen Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:11:47am |
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:11:58am |
re: #474 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth! Glad to see that you had such a marvelous Father's Day - you deserved it!
And that article was indeed very interesting - as a former grunt I tend to forget about submarines most of the time and only think of the close in air cover by Navy, Marine Corps pilots flying off of carriers!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:12:23am |
re: #479 Pianobuff
Fox reporting that despite orders for no protests today, hundreds if not thousands have grouped together in Tehran. Police are attempting to break it up with teargas, firing bullets in the air, etc.
Heard elsewhere that the state is ready to bring in the Revolutionary Guard if protests continue. Apparently the basij and police aren't doing the job. If so, that would be a MAJOR escalation.
New tweet from StopAhmadi:
RTConfirmed: Amirabad, Tehran is currently full of guards and police #IranElection
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:12:31am |
re: #476 irish rose
Good morning Irish Rose, how are you today?
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:13:54am |
re: #478 johnnyreb
So how much was your bail and did y'all break that baseball bat?!?
/
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:14:04am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
Today is the first day of Wimbledon - for all you tennis fans!
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:14:21am |
Hmmm, I am wondering how much it would cost to mail a box of garbage to the mayor and the head of the union. :)
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:14:47am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Hope all the dads out there had a great father's day. Ours was pretty good and we avoided a washout here, which is impressive given that it has rained pretty much every day this month (and it did rain just as everyone was leaving to go home).
Meanwhile, half a world away, the Iranian regime is admitting that the election was cooked, but they're not going to give up their grip on power. This is what totalitarian regimes do. But no matter what happens, a fundamental shift has occurred - because the Iranian people aren't going to sit back and let the regime continue unopposed no matter how much the regime attempts to quash the demonstrators by any means necessary.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:15:04am |
A little snippet from the Courier Mail in Brisbane.... any ladies here wanting to get away from it all and live on an island with a bloke?
David Glasheen AKA Robinson Crusoe wants female comapanionship on his island....
Mmm, thinking, thinking, thinking ..
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:15:06am |
re: #517 BlueCanuck
Hmmm, I am wondering how much it would cost to mail a box of garbage to the mayor and the head of the union. :)
Just make sure the return address on the one is the opposite of the other ;)
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:15:11am |
re: #494 razorbacker
I remember the first seat-belts, and the cackling of the freedomchickens that next they'd be ticketing free Ah-Murricans for not buckling up. Bunch of Chicken Littles, they were.
I researched the mandatory usage laws while I was in college. I went into it completely against it. By the time I finished reading previous studies and listening to the tapes from the legislative debates, I changed my mind. I'm even in favor of ticketing.
Here's why. Imagine you're cruising along, not wearing your seat-belt. A car hits you and the impact knocks you away from the steering wheel and you lose control. Your car crosses the center line and hits another car head-on. The driver, despite wearing her/his seat-belt, suffers severe injuries.
Now, you were not at fault in the initial impact but, the fact of the matter is that your not wearing a seat-belt caused you to lose control and injure a third party.
I'm not talking legal causes but, common sense.
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:15:11am |
re: #515 yma o hyd
mornin' darls!
I see Gordon Brown has agreed to turn over London's financial regualtion to the EU.
I expect Obama will agree to the same shortly.
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nyc redneck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:15:38am |
re: #452 opnion
Honestly, this MSM all Obama all the time is getting tedious.
Yesterdays Parade Magazine featured BHO in a Fathers Day Special.
60 Minutes also featured him for Fathers Day.
He is not the first President to be a father.
this 24/7 fawning over o is going to backfire. he is getting over exposed.
his mug everywhere is becoming tedious. and all the overblown hype is actually a grave disservice to o.
setting him up as literally a god is so dangerous because the needy narcissist is actually buying into it. he is that immature.
he is becoming so obnoxious he is going to ruin it for himself.
any centered and confident person in his position would not be out seeking applause and validation like a teenage rock star.
how could a grown man beam so proudly after killing a fly?
w/ the same glee of a 2 yr. old wiping its ass for the first time.
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Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:16:06am |
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:16:19am |
re: #521 Mithrax
Just make sure the return address on the one is the opposite of the other ;)
Exxxxceeeelllleeeentttt.
/Mr. Burns mode off.
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Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:16:34am |
re: #512 reine.de.tout
Also saw this.....
christmasfairie See Conversation @chucksparrow Theres Anti-riot police with guns in their hands from roof tops in 7th tir sq. #iranelection #gr88 #Mousavi #Tehran #Iran
PaxIrana Confirmed: AmirAbad is currently full of guards and police #FreeIran #gr88 #tehran #iran
PaxIrana People in 7 Tir sq forces in control.Armed police on top of buildings. Heavy clash in Mofatteh.#FreeIran #gr88 #tehran #iran
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:16:46am |
re: #500 Nevergiveup
I disagree. Iran funds Hamas and Hizbullah. Those terror groups wither on the vine, and a fundamental shift in how the entire ME is organized can take shape. It would reveal many of the flaws within the existing regimes, and some may fall by the wayside.
He may have been overly optimistic in the timing of peace, but it could mean an absence of a proxy war, which Israel would gladly accept.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:16:58am |
re: #509 razorbacker
...Look nice swimming around, though. And since they're throwaway cheap, no worries.
BUT, what about the poor fresh water kittens? Have you no heart?
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:17:11am |
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johnnyreb Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:17:17am |
re: #514 realwest
So how much was your bail and did y'all break that baseball bat?!?
/
I wish, but at that time he was my boss, and I confronted him at work. So that was not going to happen. I guess I could have accidental driven my truck through the building though.
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:17:33am |
re: #520 aussiemagpie
A little snippet from the Courier Mail in Brisbane.... any ladies here wanting to get away from it all and live on an island with a bloke?
David Glasheen AKA Robinson Crusoe wants female comapanionship on his island....
Mmm, thinking, thinking, thinking ..
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:17:54am |
re: #528 Pianobuff
Do you know the time difference between Tehran and east coast U.S.?
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avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:17:59am |
re: #503 Pianobuff
For the 2nd day in a row, Rasmussen reports Obama's strongly approve/strongly disapprove difference to be negative. Today and yesterday are the first two days since inauguration that this has happened.
Gallup reports 57% approval - a new low in their poll.
Meanwhile the NYT reports that 98.8% of Americans want a public healthcare option (snark).
Nate Silver reported early on that popularity in the high 50's was not historically viable and that at best, a popular POTUS would be lucky to maintain 50 %. If anything, the country is becoming more polarized as shown by lower ratings for recent POTUS's.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:18:40am |
re: #511 realwest
That's a good website for factual information about the US navy. I have a cousin who was a submariner. Very nice, smart guy... I've asked him about his days in the service, but he won't say a word about what he did or where he went. That's the rules.
Interesting to read that the US has decided to gradually tighten the screws on NoKo, and that China has told Pyongyang about what it considers truly unacceptable behavior.
Obama said that, in recent years, North Korea's provocations have been "rewarded" as Western countries offered fuel, food and loans in exchange for promises of good behavior that are eventually broken.
"We are going to break that pattern," Obama said after a White House meeting with South Korean President Lee Myung Bak. Obama told reporters assembled in the Rose Garden that North Korea "will not find security or respect through threats and illegal weapons."
I have to admit, this policy is an improvement over the Bush policy (which was an improvement over Clinton's).
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:18:55am |
re: #534 wahabicorridor
Do you know the time difference between Tehran and east coast U.S.?
It is right now 6:48 pm in Tehran
(thanks to my handy-dandy iPhone)
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:19:03am |
re: #534 wahabicorridor
I think it's +3:30 gmt, so about eight and a half hours difference.
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Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:19:12am |
re: #534 wahabicorridor
Do you know the time difference between Tehran and east coast U.S.?
8.5 hours I believe. (and yes, it's displaced by 30 minutes for some reason).
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:19:38am |
re: #517 BlueCanuck
Great idea: people should drop their garbage off at City Hall. And at the Union Hall for that matter.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:19:54am |
re: #529 lawhawk
I disagree. Iran funds Hamas and Hizbullah. Those terror groups wither on the vine, and a fundamental shift in how the entire ME is organized can take shape. It would reveal many of the flaws within the existing regimes, and some may fall by the wayside.
He may have been overly optimistic in the timing of peace, but it could mean an absence of a proxy war, which Israel would gladly accept.
If your correct, and that's a major "IF", Bibi opening his big mouth does NOT help the situation. One may argue whether the President of the United States, the Leader of the Free World, should speak up, but Bibi should just stay the hell out of it.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:20:03am |
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razorbacker Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:20:10am |
re: #522 MandyManners
Well, Ma'am, as a younger razorbacker I was raised in, and made part of my living, in a junkyard. I saw those windshields broken out from the inside.
So I wear my belt. Always have. Retrofit those old antiques that didn't come with 'em.
But you can justify any intrusion on personal choice if you want. Because we're all interconnected. That nasty cigarette you're smoking is going to make you a future burden on the healthcare industry, you know. You must be regulated, for your own good and the good of society, of course.
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:20:17am |
re: #515 yma o hyd
Good morning {yma} - hope you're doing well today!
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wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:20:20am |
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KansasMom Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:21:12am |
re: #478 johnnyreb
I literally dug the pond by myself. 30,000 gallons and I put a butt ton of money into plants and fish and decorations. It looked gorgeous. I was not pleased when the Koi started disappearing. I caught my neighbors cat "fishing" one night. I asked him to keep his cat in his own yard. He came back and asked me what I expected a cat to do and inquired if building a mouse farm was next on my list.
I've heard this works well with Herons. It would probably be fun to watch!
Scarecrow Sprinkler
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:21:14am |
re: #540 Kenneth
Hmmmm, how do we get the word out? One rule would have to be, no self identifying information in each package. :)
/everything else is fair game, now where did I put that old piece of fish....
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:21:17am |
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irish rose Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:21:29am |
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:21:32am |
re: #500 Nevergiveup
Peaceful relations between Israel and Iran would be possible if new leadership took power in Tehran, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in an interview with a German newspaper.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Bibi is a moron. First of all ain't a chance in hell of that and he should just keep his yap shut.
Actually, under the Shah, relations were good between Iran and Israel. However, the chances of someone like the Shah getting power are small.
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Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:21:57am |
re: #535 avanti
Nate Silver reported early on that popularity in the high 50's was not historically viable and that at best, a popular POTUS would be lucky to maintain 50 %. If anything, the country is becoming more polarized as shown by lower ratings for recent POTUS's.
Yup - it was sure to move down over time. It will be interesting to see if/how Obama adapts to having to play (perhaps) a little more defense. I'm not sure he has a lot of experience with that, but he's politically adept.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:22:04am |
re: #515 yma o hyd
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
Today is the first day of Wimbledon - for all you tennis fans!
Hello (yma a hyd}
It's going to be a very busy and sleepless few weeks for this sportsfan - Tour de France, the Ashes, rugby Tests, the tennis...
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razorbacker Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:22:22am |
re: #530 Walter L. Newton
BUT, what about the poor fresh water kittens? Have you no heart?
No. Not much. I generally throw the hearts away, or feed them to the land kittehs. Fried, baked, boiled, or steamed; fish hearts just don't do much for my appetite.
*Oh, were you referring to something else?*
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BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:22:58am |
re: #553 razorbacker
You heartless bastard. :)
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avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:23:14am |
re: #536 Kenneth
Kenneth, you and I often disagree, but I too gave Obama credit for stating the obvious. Let's see if he carries through with action to match the tough words. The Norks have always been able to bully us into giving them goodies, it is time to quit.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:23:39am |
re: #535 avanti
Nate Silver reported early on that popularity in the high 50's was not historically viable and that at best, a popular POTUS would be lucky to maintain 50 %. If anything, the country is becoming more polarized as shown by lower ratings for recent POTUS's.
It seems, from reading recent comments of yours, when confronted with polls that DON'T support your political leanings, you run to Nate Silver to back up your points.
Yet, looking back over comments you have made in the last few months, anytime Obama was tracking positive in the popular national polls (Rasmussen, Gallup et al), you were fine with using facts and figures from those well known pollsters.
If Nate Silver's polls start to track negative for Obama, it will be interesting to see where you go next.
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aussiemagpie Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:24:02am |
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DaddyG Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:24:04am |
re: #478 johnnyreb
I literally dug the pond by myself. 30,000 gallons and I put a butt ton of money into plants and fish and decorations. It looked gorgeous. I was not pleased when the Koi started disappearing. I caught my neighbors cat "fishing" one night. I asked him to keep his cat in his own yard. He came back and asked me what I expected a cat to do and inquired if building a mouse farm was next on my list.
Heh. I have to admire his response (but he should at least try to help out). Our dog has the unfortunate habit of sneaking accross the cul-de-sac to poop on the neighbors lawn about once a week. We try to keep her in the back yard and quickly go over with the poop scooper when we are told it has happened.
I stopped stocking our stream (drainage creek) with Koi once I witnesed the alligator snapping turtles and heron dining on them. We chuck in 25 cent goldfish now and they grow up to 6-9 inches and look really nice (until eaten).
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irish rose Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:24:12am |
re: #513 realwest
Good morning Irish Rose, how are you today?
Not too bad, I started my day with a response to a blog troll and it's been all uphill from there :).
I have a video over there that will make you chuckle, realwest... I can't post it here because it contains advert material. You'll love it though.
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:24:43am |
re: #532 johnnyreb
I wish, but at that time he was my boss, and I confronted him at work. So that was not going to happen. I guess I could have accidental driven my truck through the building though.
Ah, the ole "I thought I was stepping on the clutch, not the accelorator officer! Honest!" trick eh? Ah well, the moment's gone now. But should there be a next time.....................!
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:24:51am |
re: #543 razorbacker
Well, Ma'am, as a younger razorbacker I was raised in, and made part of my living, in a junkyard. I saw those windshields broken out from the inside.
So I wear my belt. Always have. Retrofit those old antiques that didn't come with 'em.
But you can justify any intrusion on personal choice if you want. Because we're all interconnected. That nasty cigarette you're smoking is going to make you a future burden on the healthcare industry, you know. You must be regulated, for your own good and the good of society, of course.
The day Washington State passed its seat-belt law, I resolved not to wear it just because I was a rebellious cuss. I got about a block down the street before I realized that some rebellion is just plain stupid.
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Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:26:07am |
re: #557 Walter L. Newton
It seems, from reading recent comments of yours, when confronted with polls that DON'T support your political leanings, you run to Nate Silver to back up your points.
Yet, looking back over comments you have made in the last few months, anytime Obama was tracking positive in the popular national polls (Rasmussen, Gallup et al), you were fine with using facts and figures from those well known pollsters.
If Nate Silver's polls start to track negative for Obama, it will be interesting to see where you go next.
If I read Avanti's post correctly, it appears he's allowing for that possibility.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:26:17am |
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opnion Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:26:23am |
re: #524 nyc redneck
this 24/7 fawning over o is going to backfire. he is getting over exposed.
his mug everywhere is becoming tedious. and all the overblown hype is actually a grave disservice to o.
setting him up as literally a god is so dangerous because the needy narcissist is actually buying into it. he is that immature.
he is becoming so obnoxious he is going to ruin it for himself.
any centered and confident person in his position would not be out seeking applause and validation like a teenage rock star.
how could a grown man beam so proudly after killing a fly?
w/ the same glee of a 2 yr. old wiping its ass for the first time.
Obama is buying into all of the hype & that in my opinion is dangerous.
I think that he is believing that he is omnipotent & that makes it likely that he will continue to make bad decisions.
This whole idea of him never accepting responsibility is not good.
He "inherited" nothing from Bush. He campaigned for the job & said that he had solutions.
All that I am seeing is an apology tour, bankrupting the country, bad foreign polocy & unchecked narcissim.
| 569 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:26:41am |
from stopahmadi, usually reliable:
RTConfirmed: Amirabad, Tehran is currently full of guards and police #IranElection
Riot police R attacking hundreds of protesters w/ tear gas, & firing live bullets in the air #iranelection
Helicopters hovered overhead as abt 200 protesters gathered at Haft-e-Tir Square, 100's of riot polices #iranelection
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irish rose Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:26:43am |
re: #565 irish rose
Click my nic.
Oh wait, I misinterpreted what you wanted me to link to.
I posted it over at DM's blog.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:27:06am |
re: #550 Kosh's Shadow
Actually, under the Shah, relations were good between Iran and Israel. However, the chances of someone like the Shah getting power are small.
Reza Pahlavi has said he'd be willing to be the head of a constitutional monarchy.
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avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:27:12am |
re: #551 Pianobuff
Yup - it was sure to move down over time. It will be interesting to see if/how Obama adapts to having to play (perhaps) a little more defense. I'm not sure he has a lot of experience with that, but he's politically adept.
I think his plan is to push through as much of his agenda as possible while he has his honeymoon. He may take a hit in his popularity in so doing, but if he succeeds, he can slow down on his agenda and coast for a bit.
| 573 |
DaddyG Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:27:54am |
re: #546 KansasMom
I've heard this works well with Herons. It would probably be fun to watch!
Scarecrow Sprinkler
Do they have that in a buckshot model? //
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KenJen Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:27:55am |
re: #563 MandyManners
The day Washington State passed its seat-belt law, I resolved not to wear it just because I was a rebellious cuss. I got about a block down the street before I realized that some rebellion is just plain stupid.
Here is plain stupid: In Kentucky there is a law that you have to wear your seatbelt in a car but motorcycle riders do not have to wear a helmet.
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:28:02am |
re: #535 avanti
A few months ago, the Wall St. Journal published a graph comparing the approval ratings curves of each president from Truman to Bush. The data was taken from the monthly average of any approval ratings published at the time. All the curves looked the same: start off high, gradually turning down, a rapid drop & then leveling off. Two-term presidents got a second boost, which then repeated the pattern. The only anomaly was Clinton, who continued to improve in his second term.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:28:12am |
Here are some interesting tweets from iran:
'the rumor [about Rafsanjani] is he's still in qom rallying support to "azl" khamenei (ask to step down)
(tehranbureau)
'#iranelection Small protest in Tehran, Rev Guards warn of harsher crackdown - i get sense next chapter played out behind the scenes'
(JimSciutto)
'#iranelection Watch political developments as much as # of ppl in sts. An equally important battle behind the scenes
#iranelection ...or not so behind the scenes, as clergy, larijani, rafsanjani, mousavi openly challenge the supreme ldr'
(Jimsciutto)
'Khamenei will again present Friday prayer this week - confirmed Iran tv - #Iranelec'
(persiankiwi}
'#iranelection big comedown for the sup ldr to have to give 'final word' on elex 2x RT "Khamenei will again present Fri prayers this week"'
(JimSciutto)
The majority of tweets tell of huge police presence everywhere, small demos, and the SMS are still taken down by the government because they know that this is how the dissidents organise themselves.
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:28:25am |
re: #561 Mithrax
Ask her what? I'm afraid now :)
She made an off-hand comment the other day that she never gets stalked. So, I stalked her. Just to brighten her day.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:28:29am |
re: #574 KenJen
Here is plain stupid: In Kentucky there is a law that you have to wear your seatbelt in a car but motorcycle riders do not have to wear a helmet.
No helmet = self-correcting problem
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Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:28:43am |
re: #572 avanti
I think his plan is to push through as much of his agenda as possible while he has his honeymoon. He may take a hit in his popularity in so doing, but if he succeeds, he can slow down on his agenda and coast for a bit.
How much longer do you believe the honeymoon will last?
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MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:28:44am |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:28:44am |
re: #568 opnion
Obama is buying into all of the hype & . . .
We see this also from Hollywood types - they begin to believe in their own importance and "intelligence" because they are fawned over, quoted everywhere as if every idiotic statement is a gem . . .
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lawhawk Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:29:02am |
re: #550 Kosh's Shadow
re: #541 Nevergiveup
You see, this is an example of what not to say on the developing situation in Iran. It expresses a wish for a specific outcome that goes beyond merely restating the need for democracy and respect of human rights and the rights of the protesters to peaceably assemble to protest the stolen election. Had Bibi left it at that, it would have been enough *dayenu!*
Instead, he went further and crossed what I think was an appropriate line to take. The Administration's most recent statements on Iran are far better than the silent assent last week.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:29:09am |
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razorbacker Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:29:54am |
re: #554 BlueCanuck
You heartless bastard. :)
I see my reputation precedes me.
Wunnnerful thing, a reputation.
*Why, a feller goes off one day and skins, cooks, and eats his neighbor just one time, and the rest of the neighborhood walk on tippy-toes until you turn 18.*
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:29:59am |
re: #555 MandyManners
*pssssssssstttttttt ask reine*
One knows when one has "arrived" when one is stalked.
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:30:04am |
re: #560 irish rose
Ah, thank you! Regrettably, I now have to run out to do chores, but will check it when I get back!
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:30:17am |
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:30:46am |
The latest tweets:
'e-source: "People are trying to gather in 7 Tir square, but being dispersed before they can gather momentum. Many many Basijis"#iranelection
'cnt: People btwn 1000-2000. they're preventing others from joining. As soon as they gather somewhere they attack, so they run away & regroup'
(LaraABC)
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:30:49am |
re: #587 reine.de.tout
One knows when one has "arrived" when one is stalked.
How about when a self-satisfied gang plays pile on? Does that count towards eventual arrival?
;)
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Sharmuta Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:31:00am |
re: #587 reine.de.tout
One knows when one has "arrived" when one is stalked.
The stalkers actually have been discussing you recently. Congrats.
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avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:31:02am |
re: #566 Pianobuff
If I read Avanti's post correctly, it appears he's allowing for that possibility.
Nate's polling has already shown the slight trend downward he predicted. If he gets through the health care debate still in the 50's, he'll be lucky. The safest way to not offend some voters is to do as little as possible, and he's committed to a hell of a lot of change.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:31:28am |
re: #592 Sharmuta
The stalkers actually have been discussing you recently. Congrats.
We should have cake pie.
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legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:31:45am |
re: #586 razorbacker
I see my reputation precedes me.
Wunnnerful thing, a reputation.
*Why, a feller goes off one day and skins, cooks, and eats his neighbor just one time, and the rest of the neighborhood walk on tippy-toes until you turn 18.*
LOL! Where in the hell is that quote from?
| 597 |
DaddyG Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:32:17am |
re: #575 Kenneth
A few months ago, the Wall St. Journal published a graph comparing the approval ratings curves of each president from Truman to Bush. ... The only anomaly was Clinton, who continued to improve in his second term.
That may have been due to an oversampling of plump Whitehouse interns. /
| 598 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:32:33am |
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realwest Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:32:37am |
Well y'all it's been fun but of course I now have to leave to do some chores!
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
And I HOPE that the Iranian "dissidents" (revolutionaries?) keep their heads down for a few days while the IRG is up to full force - lull the regime into a false sense of security and then - BAM, a million plus demonstators in the streets of Teheran!
| 600 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:32:37am |
re: #570 irish rose
Oh wait, I misinterpreted what you wanted me to link to.
I posted it over at DM's blog.
All I see is your post from yesterday and gclaghorn's shit.
| 601 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:32:47am |
Here is a link to a German report/analysis (its in English, don't be put off!):
The Iranian Leadership 'Has Lost its Legitimacy' - via tweet by 'iran09'.
There have been many demos in Germany, in support of the dissidents, according to StopAhamdi
| 602 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:33:20am |
re: #574 KenJen
Here is plain stupid: In Kentucky there is a law that you have to wear your seatbelt in a car but motorcycle riders do not have to wear a helmet.
Don't you mean "donorcycle riders"?
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OldLineTexan Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:33:26am |
re: #595 badger1970
Same here in TX.
It's summer, and I see girls hanging off the backs of their boyfriends' rice rockets.
In a helmet, tank top, daisy dukes, and flip-flops.
If they have an accident, the helmet will make a nice coffin.
| 605 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:33:55am |
re: #571 MandyManners
Reza Pahlavi has said he'd be willing to be the head of a constitutional monarchy.
Never.Gonna.Happen.
Believe it or not, but the real power player isn't going to be Rafsanjani or Mousavi, but Iraq's Sistani. He's the one who figured out how to make nice between democracy and Islam in Iraq - and he's seen firsthand how the US laid the groundwork to make it work. The two may not be incompatible, and real elections can provide real say and respect the wishes and intent of devout Muslims. That Rafsanjani apparently sees fit to discuss matters with Sistani shows the reach of what happened in Iraq.
| 606 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:34:02am |
Shut up monkey, I'm trying to sing.re: #592 Sharmuta
The stalkers actually have been discussing you recently. Congrats.
So her stalk is up today?
| 607 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:34:19am |
| 608 |
Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:34:30am |
General question for the Twitterers....
Do you use any other sites or tools to aggregate/refine/etc?
I've been using twitterfall but I'm curious if there are any recommendations for alternatives.
| 609 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:34:30am |
re: #600 MandyManners
All I see is your post from yesterday and gclaghorn's shit.
There's one over there now ripping on you.
[Link: defenseman.wordpress.com...]
| 610 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:34:43am |
re: #597 DaddyG
That may have been due to an oversampling of plump Whitehouse interns. /
Like anyone's gonna be anorexic hanging around Bill "Big Mac" Clinton. He carries the weight better than Gore, though. And typically keeps an outwardly sunny disposition.
| 611 |
DaddyG Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:35:11am |
re: #586 razorbacker
I see my reputation precedes me.
Wunnnerful thing, a reputation.
*Why, a feller goes off one day and skins, cooks, and eats his neighbor just one time, and the rest of the neighborhood walk on tippy-toes until you turn 18.*
Just be grateful it wasn't the neighbors cat. That would have landed you in a heap of trouble with PETA. /
| 612 |
turn Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:35:18am |
re: #576 yma o hyd
Morning all, funny dog story yma. The turnwife bought a bunch of athletic socks last Thursday as a gift for me on father’s day. I’m getting dressed in the family room after my morning shower and she gives me the bag of socks and says “happy fathers day, precious got these for daddy.” Well precious is another nickname for Luke and he happened to be sitting by the open door to the family room. He rushed in and started nosing the bag and biting at the socks as I tried to put a pair on. He has never done this before and it was very odd behavior for him. He acted as if there was something really special about those socks. A few hours later the turnwife and I were in the car headed down to the delta for a steak lunch and I mentioned how strange the boob acted over those socks. The turnwife told me last Thursday she talked to him about those socks being his gift to daddy on fathers day, the friggin dog remembered that and was telling me yesterday that those socks were from him! Than dang dog amazes me.
| 613 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:35:21am |
re: #587 reine.de.tout
One knows when one has "arrived" when one is stalked.
Wasn't there a SNL joke a while back about Hollywood restaurants now have "Stalked" sections and "Not-Stalked" sections?
| 614 |
wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:35:22am |
re: #571 MandyManners
Reza Pahlavi has said he'd be willing to be the head of a constitutional monarchy.
I think the odds of that happening are somewhere around zero and nill.
Pahlavi has spent his life since Iran here in the U.S. (Northern Virginia). He would be seen as nothing but a U.S. stooge.
The Iranians who are old enough to remember his father remember SAVAK most of all.
| 615 |
avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:36:05am |
re: #575 Kenneth
A few months ago, the Wall St. Journal published a graph comparing the approval ratings curves of each president from Truman to Bush. The data was taken from the monthly average of any approval ratings published at the time. All the curves looked the same: start off high, gradually turning down, a rapid drop & then leveling off. Two-term presidents got a second boost, which then repeated the pattern. The only anomaly was Clinton, who continued to improve in his second term.
I think Clinton and Obama may both be the exception. They have the rock star thing going, and voters tend to ignore some failings just because they like the guy.
I see it everyday on here. While many on here are critical of the POTUS taking the kids out for ice cream, the bulk of the country sees a Kodak moment and he gets a PR bump.
| 616 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:36:09am |
re: #592 Sharmuta
The stalkers actually have been discussing you recently. Congrats.
At least they're leaving me the fuck alone!
| 617 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:36:17am |
re: #593 avanti
Nate's polling has already shown the slight trend downward he predicted. If he gets through the health care debate still in the 50's, he'll be lucky. The safest way to not offend some voters is to do as little as possible, and he's committed to a hell of a lot of change.
I a bit confused by how you are describing Obama and his agenda. Are you saying that the more he does for the GOOD of the country, the more he is going to start to track downward in popularity?
Or are you saying that his agenda (ex: health care) is not going to be good for the country, and as he moves that forward, the population will start to realize that, and in turn, this will cause his popularity and support to trend down?
Which is it, good or bad?
| 618 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:36:35am |
re: #608 Pianobuff
General question for the Twitterers....
Do you use any other sites or tools to aggregate/refine/etc?
I've been using twitterfall but I'm curious if there are any recommendations for alternatives.
tweetdeck.
It will only show me tweets from those I actually "follow", and I can filter for certain tags (#iranelection, #gr88, etc)
| 619 |
J.S. Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:36:51am |
CNN is showing (yet more) videos of protesters being gunned down (literally -- gunned down in the streets). Unbelievable savagery. If the Iranian regime wished to be overthrown, they're doing a great job! (CNN is also reporting that the British embassy is being evacuated, for the safety of its personnel).
| 621 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:37:00am |
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:37:31am |
re: #523 wahabicorridor
mornin' darls!
I see Gordon Brown has agreed to turn over London's financial regualtion to the EU.
I expect Obama will agree to the same shortly.
Hiya, {wahabicorridor}!
He is also, according to a number of 'in-the-know' journalists, not calling an early election because he wants the infamous 'Lisbon Treaty' ratified in European countries (Ireland have a referendum!) before the Tories take over, so they cannot ask us, the people, if we agree to have our rights curtailed.
Never mind that an election next year will see the demise of Labour as a Part - he's doing what his black eminence, Peter Mandelson, wants.
Meanwhile, Parliament is electing a new speaker today - and the fix (by the Labour whips) is in ...
They think we're all too stupid to notice ...
| 624 |
opnion Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:37:56am |
re: #581 reine.de.tout
We see this also from Hollywood types - they begin to believe in their own importance and "intelligence" because they are fawned over, quoted everywhere as if every idiotic statement is a gem . . .
It seems like Obama & the Hollywood types have in common that they all need constant validation.
Obama handles adversity poorly. He is fawned over by the MSM , yet obsesses over FNC, because they don't slober over him.
| 625 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:38:00am |
re: #607 MandyManners
I strive to please.
But are you from the government?
LOL.
I worked for a government agency, we we would very often make fun of ourselves - "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you".
We actually did try to help, but mostly people didn't see it that way.
| 626 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:38:29am |
re: #622 Sharmuta
I'm glad you didn't mis-spell that.
No kidding.
Misplaced "i"s or "a"s would make that unfit for public consumption.
| 627 |
Sunlight Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:38:40am |
re: #511 realwest
Good morning Kenneth! Glad to see that you had such a marvelous Father's Day - you deserved it!
And that article was indeed very interesting - as a former grunt I tend to forget about submarines most of the time and only think of the close in air cover by Navy, Marine Corps pilots flying off of carriers!
You guys talking Navy? This was in today's AFA update:
Banner Year for all Three Academies: The military academies reportedly have received significantly more applications than the year before. The US Naval Academy at Annapolis, Md., leads the pack, with a 40 percent jump, while the US Air Force Academy at Colorado Springs, Colo., had a 10 percent increase and the US Military Academy at West Point, N.Y., nine percent. According to an Associated Press report, John Van Winkle, a USAFA spokesman, said applications for Class 2013 at the Colorado school topped the past five years. As with the continued strong recruiting experienced by the services, the academies believe that the still struggling economy may have been a factor.
First, I actually think the younger generation has more figured out that the boomers who have migrated from being "counterculture" to being the epitomy of a self serving "establishment" and that they are rising fantastically to the challenge to western life. Second, the Navy/Marines are doing fabulous work, reflected in their VOLUNTEER recruiting success. If all the services were even-steven, then I might think the economy is the reason as the NYT would want us to think. But I think it is youngsters' evaluation of the most competent structure for the stand they intend to take.
| 628 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:38:41am |
re: #605 lawhawk
Never.Gonna.Happen.
Believe it or not, but the real power player isn't going to be Rafsanjani or Mousavi, but Iraq's Sistani. He's the one who figured out how to make nice between democracy and Islam in Iraq - and he's seen firsthand how the US laid the groundwork to make it work. The two may not be incompatible, and real elections can provide real say and respect the wishes and intent of devout Muslims. That Rafsanjani apparently sees fit to discuss matters with Sistani shows the reach of what happened in Iraq.
Yeah, I don't think Pahlavi wants the Peacock Throne so badly that he'd be willing to take a bullet for it.
| 630 |
Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:39:20am |
re: #618 reine.de.tout
Thanks for the tip! I'll check it out. Have you used Twitterfall? If so, how would you compare since the features seem kind of similar.
| 631 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:39:27am |
re: #606 Spare O'Lake
Shut up monkey, I'm trying to sing.
So her stalk is up today?
That pun is right on the margin.
| 632 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:39:32am |
| 633 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:39:34am |
re: #621 OldLineTexan
I think it's a sort of calculated insincerity.
That's what I am thinking, since I can't get a reply from him.
| 634 |
Lincolntf Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:39:39am |
re: #617 Walter L. Newton
There is no good or bad. There is only Obama.
| 635 |
Mithrax Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:39:52am |
Alrighty folks, I must vamoose.
Okay. You people sit tight, hold the fort and keep the home fires burning. And if I'm not back by dawn... call the president.
| 637 |
DaddyG Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:40:24am |
re: #612 turn I love the loyalty and surprising intelligence of pets. One of our cats is a one person kitty who has decided I'm the one. When I returned from a week at Scout camp with my son he nipped me three times when I tried to pet him to tell me I wasn't just going to walk in and pet him after an absence of a week. After that we were friends again and he's been sleeping on my legs every night.
| 638 |
nyc redneck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:40:32am |
re: #568 opnion
Obama is buying into all of the hype & that in my opinion is dangerous.
I think that he is believing that he is omnipotent & that makes it likely that he will continue to make bad decisions.
This whole idea of him never accepting responsibility is not good.
He "inherited" nothing from Bush. He campaigned for the job & said that he had solutions.
All that I am seeing is an apology tour, bankrupting the country, bad foreign polocy & unchecked narcissim.
i couldn't agree more.
he has done nothing but make the world a more dangerous place.
| 639 |
wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:40:40am |
re: #623 yma o hyd
What Mandelson is doing is astonishing - sacrificing Labour for the EU.
But I guess there are a lot more perks with the EU than with Labour - especially after that little expenses dust up.
| 640 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:40:55am |
re: #636 MacDuff
I like that phrase!
Totally stolen, but I forget from where. B.C. and Johnny Hart, maybe.
| 641 |
razorbacker Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:41:02am |
re: #596 legalpad
LOL! Where in the hell is that quote from?
It fell from the diseased backwaters of my mind, but was based on a converstion that I had with a kid that I went to middleschool with. He and his three friends were famous, or infamous I guess, for having stomped and shotgunned a fellow to death one winter night. They were, at the time, the youngest boys on death row.
Anyway, after he got out (that right there is a topic for discussion, but let us pass it over) we were talking and he was bemoaning his lack of friends.
"Well, Benny, y'all did stomp that pore feller to death, 'ya know."
"Once. Just once. And it's like nobody is ever gonna let me forgit it."
| 642 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:41:06am |
re: #609 Sharmuta
There's one over there now ripping on you.
[Link: defenseman.wordpress.com...]
I don't see it.
| 643 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:41:38am |
re: #612 turn
Thats outstanding!
He is one clever pooch, thats for sure!
Big Dog had a thing about unwrapping gifts - he never even even twitched his tail when i had to open a parcel - but come Christmas or Birthday - tehhe he was, waiting for one of us to let him pull off the gift wraps or open the parcels.
They do know - they're not stupid!
| 644 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:41:47am |
re: #615 avanti
It's far too soon to evaluate the Obama presidency. He's only a few months into his term. He tarted high, is slowly curving down. Eventually his approval will drop, then level off at his base level. That's what happens.
| 645 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:41:57am |
re: #614 wahabicorridor
I think the odds of that happening are somewhere around zero and nill.
Pahlavi has spent his life since Iran here in the U.S. (Northern Virginia). He would be seen as nothing but a U.S. stooge.
The Iranians who are old enough to remember his father remember SAVAK most of all.
Goons are goons.
| 646 |
Sunlight Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:42:25am |
re: #582 taxfreekiller
ACORN
name change
CCI or some such shit..
IMODPV
Dead People Vote
is a better fit
CHEATER VOTING! The number one thing the Rep. Party could actually take on that everyone agrees on and that would make a huge difference in the chances for GOP success. The cheating has taken over some states.
| 647 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:42:49am |
re: #620 taxfreekiller
Any one who gets a head injury in a motor cycle accident without a helmet on should be required to pay for all the hospital and Dr. care for that injury out of their own pocket. IMO.
If you want to be stupid, pay for it yourself.
What about those who linger in a vegetative state?
| 648 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:42:52am |
| 649 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:42:58am |
re: #633 Walter L. Newton
That's what I am thinking, since I can't get a reply from him.
Well, that's the impression I am getting here. The polls are trending down, the polls are wrong. People are not so happy with some things they are seeing, well, Obama has to work faster, to slide his shit in as soon as possible. Nate Silver is suddenly the best pollster since the Romans took a census in Judea, the popular pollsters are wrong, and on and on and on...
Obama the Infallible.
| 651 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:43:10am |
re: #630 Pianobuff
Thanks for the tip! I'll check it out. Have you used Twitterfall? If so, how would you compare since the features seem kind of similar.
I haven't seen twitterfall.
with tweetdeck, there is no need to keep a browser window up, and you get a "chirp" when there is something new.
It is it's own window, like your email sort of.
there is one called "tweetgrid", but you must have a browser window open, and it includes EVERYBODY tweeting with the tags you have selected.
So I use tweetdeck and a few selected twitterers that have posted accurate info (stopahmadi, persiankiwi, iranelection09, tehranbureau)
| 652 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:43:15am |
Morning/afternoon lizards.
Any Suppression or threat of civil liberty condemned
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
Excerpt:
From the Syndicate of Workers of Tehran and Suburbs Vahed Bus Company
In line with the recognition of the labour rights, we request that June 26 Action Day – Justice for Iranian workers – to include the human rights of all Iranians who have been deprived of their rights.
In recent days, we continue witnessing the magnificent demonstration of millions of people from all ages, genders, and national and religious minorities in Iran. They request that their basic human rights, particularly the right to freedom and to choose independently and without deception be recognized. These rights are not only constitutional in most of the countries, but also have been protected against all odds.
| 653 |
wahabicorridor Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:43:48am |
| 654 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:43:56am |
re: #641 razorbacker
It fell from the diseased backwaters of my mind, but was based on a converstion that I had with a kid that I went to middleschool with. He and his three friends were famous, or infamous I guess, for having stomped and shotgunned a fellow to death one winter night. They were, at the time, the youngest boys on death row.
Anyway, after he got out (that right there is a topic for discussion, but let us pass it over) we were talking and he was bemoaning his lack of friends.
"Well, Benny, y'all did stomp that pore feller to death, 'ya know."
"Once. Just once. And it's like nobody is ever gonna let me forgit it."
Here's a Zappa song about some strange little people from a long time ago and all the things the neigbors didn't know
| 655 |
nyc redneck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:44:04am |
re: #581 reine.de.tout
We see this also from Hollywood types - they begin to believe in their own importance and "intelligence" because they are fawned over, quoted everywhere as if every idiotic statement is a gem . . .
babs streisand had a web site in which she discussed her strategy for foreign policy.
i think she even had her own "advisor"
LOL
| 656 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:44:11am |
re: #625 reine.de.tout
But are you from the government?
LOL.
I worked for a government agency, we we would very often make fun of ourselves - "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you".We actually did try to help, but mostly people didn't see it that way.
Don't ingrates grate on your nerves?
| 657 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:45:19am |
re: #656 MandyManners
Don't ingrates grate on your nerves?
I'm pretty sure reine was an exception to the usual Civil Service fare.
| 658 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:45:22am |
re: #582 taxfreekiller
ACORN
name change
CCI or some such shit..
IMODPV
Dead People Vote
is a better fit
Community Organizers International is the new name.
A turd dipped in gold is still a turd.
| 659 |
avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:45:24am |
re: #617 Walter L. Newton
I a bit confused by how you are describing Obama and his agenda. Are you saying that the more he does for the GOOD of the country, the more he is going to start to track downward in popularity?
Or are you saying that his agenda (ex: health care) is not going to be good for the country, and as he moves that forward, the population will start to realize that, and in turn, this will cause his popularity and support to trend down?
Which is it, good or bad?
Neither. Anytime there is change, people become uncomfortable, especially when the other side is talking doom and gloom. If a program is passed, and works fine, then his popularity will grow, if it does not, it will go down. Overall, most of the time the result is not as bad as the opposition predicted, and the POTUS will get a bump.
Look at Iraq war for example, we were told it would be a cake walk, and when it was not, the GOP took a hit. If it had turned out better, we may have had a decade of GOP leadership.
| 660 |
turn Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:45:28am |
re: #637 DaddyG
I love the loyalty and surprising intelligence of pets. One of our cats is a one person kitty who has decided I'm the one. When I returned from a week at Scout camp with my son he nipped me three times when I tried to pet him to tell me I wasn't just going to walk in and pet him after an absence of a week. After that we were friends again and he's been sleeping on my legs every night.
Me too daddy g. Cats are funny that way, they bite and scratch you to show affection. We had a cat tiger one time who would do that. You guys are talking about Iran, I saw a special this morning about the Norks. They are a serious threat, fifth largest army in the world with the ability to call up three million in reserve. Plus they are all bat shit crazy brainwashed. Big problem there.
| 661 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:46:04am |
re: #655 nyc redneck
babs streisand had a web site in which she discussed her strategy for foreign policy.
i think she even had her own "advisor"
LOL
You're right!
I had forgotten about that.
How arrogant can one person be, fer cryin' out loud?
Who elected her to anything?
| 662 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:46:14am |
re: #660 turn
Me too daddy g. Cats are funny that way, they bite and scratch you to show affection. We had a cat tiger one time who would do that. You guys are talking about Iran, I saw a special this morning about the Norks. They are a serious threat, fifth largest army in the world with the ability to call up three million in reserve. Plus they are all bat shit crazy brainwashed. Big problem there.
What was the ranking of the Iraqi Army, again?
/
| 663 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:46:20am |
re: #639 wahabicorridor
What Mandelson is doing is astonishing - sacrificing Labour for the EU.
But I guess there are a lot more perks with the EU than with Labour - especially after that little expenses dust up.
Absolutely - and after all, he was one of the 'Commissioners', a top job, in the EU before he was called back.
Especially the Labour politicians, who went to the Eu in various capacities, have amassed a huge amount of money, first and foremost the Kinnocks (unfortunately, both Welsh ...). They now get six - thats right, six! - pensions between them, into which the have paid next to nothing.
They get about ££ 180.000 p.a.
And those are the same politicians who denigrate us, and who think that a state pension of about £400 is fine - for the rest, you can go begging to the state. This sum, incidentally, is what our MPs can claim as food subsidies, per month, on top of their salaries - untaxed!
| 664 |
avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:46:58am |
re: #619 J.S.
CNN is showing (yet more) videos of protesters being gunned down (literally -- gunned down in the streets). Unbelievable savagery. If the Iranian regime wished to be overthrown, they're doing a great job! (CNN is also reporting that the British embassy is being evacuated, for the safety of its personnel).
Fox is covering the rapper beating his girlfriend story, I just checked.
| 665 |
Sunlight Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:47:15am |
re: #658 MandyManners
Community Organizers International is the new name.
A turd dipped in gold is still a turd.
Our synagogue is starting a program of "organizing our congretations" and is in some interfaith "community organizing" group with the Episcopalians. I'm getting nauseated with this stuff.
| 666 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:47:24am |
re: #641 razorbacker
It fell from the diseased backwaters of my mind, but was based on a converstion that I had with a kid that I went to middleschool with. He and his three friends were famous, or infamous I guess, for having stomped and shotgunned a fellow to death one winter night. They were, at the time, the youngest boys on death row.
Anyway, after he got out (that right there is a topic for discussion, but let us pass it over) we were talking and he was bemoaning his lack of friends.
"Well, Benny, y'all did stomp that pore feller to death, 'ya know."
"Once. Just once. And it's like nobody is ever gonna let me forgit it."
Sounds like a character in a future Carl Hiaasen novel.
| 667 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:47:43am |
re: #656 MandyManners
Don't ingrates grate on your nerves?
Actually, no, became accustomed to it, actually understood their frustration, I often had the same frustrations.
But learned many many lessons in trying to persuade folks to calm down, discuss things honestly without accusations, etc.
| 668 |
Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:47:59am |
re: #651 reine.de.tout
I haven't seen twitterfall.
with tweetdeck, there is no need to keep a browser window up, and you get a "chirp" when there is something new.
It is it's own window, like your email sort of.there is one called "tweetgrid", but you must have a browser window open, and it includes EVERYBODY tweeting with the tags you have selected.
So I use tweetdeck and a few selected twitterers that have posted accurate info (stopahmadi, persiankiwi, iranelection09, tehranbureau)
Sounds superior. I'll definitely check it out. Also, you nailed some of the high quality tweeters.
It's an amazing situation really, watching CNN report their news based on tweets just like the rest of us. Meanwhile, I saw/heard HRC and Gates acknowledging abject ignorance of social networking, other than allowing that it's somehow a really important part of the process.
| 669 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:48:04am |
re: #657 OldLineTexan
I'm pretty sure reine was an exception to the usual Civil Service fare.
:-)
tried to be.
| 670 |
turn Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:48:23am |
re: #643 yma o hyd
Thats outstanding!
He is one clever pooch, thats for sure!Big Dog had a thing about unwrapping gifts - he never even even twitched his tail when i had to open a parcel - but come Christmas or Birthday - tehhe he was, waiting for one of us to let him pull off the gift wraps or open the parcels.
They do know - they're not stupid!
awww that's cute. I guess I'm not the only one who wraps gifts for the pets on Christmas and lets them unwrap them.
| 672 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:48:33am |
Please forgive me if I haven't answered any of your posts above - this thread is rushing by so quickly - I'm out of breath just trying to hang in!
| 673 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:49:47am |
re: #665 Sunlight
Our synagogue is starting a program of "organizing our congretations" and is in some interfaith "community organizing" group with the Episcopalians. I'm getting nauseated with this stuff.
The Episcopalians or the organizing?
I think you meant the "organizing", forgive me for popping in with silliness.
| 674 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:49:50am |
re: #670 turn
awww that's cute. I guess I'm not the only one who wraps gifts for the pets on Christmas and lets them unwrap them.
No, you're not alone in that!
But it wasn't just his presents he had to unwrap - it was everybody's!
| 675 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:50:08am |
| 676 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:50:13am |
re: #556 avanti
Kenneth, you and I often disagree, but I too gave Obama credit for stating the obvious. Let's see if he carries through with action to match the tough words. The Norks have always been able to bully us into giving them goodies, it is time to quit.
Agreed.
Fun Fact: The Korean War landings at Inchon were supported by the Heavy Cruisers Des Moines and Salem, both sisters to avanti's Newport News. The cruiser's 8-inch shellfire crippled Nork coastal defenses, in some cases utterly destroying positions before the Marines even reached the shore.
| 677 |
turn Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:50:17am |
re: #662 OldLineTexan
What was the ranking of the Iraqi Army, again?
/
Maybe we should have invaded NK instead, history will tell (if we live long enough). If war breaks out Seoul is toast, if I lived there I would evacuate now.
| 678 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:50:40am |
re: #659 avanti
Neither. Anytime there is change, people become uncomfortable, especially when the other side is talking doom and gloom. If a program is passed, and works fine, then his popularity will grow, if it does not, it will go down. Overall, most of the time the result is not as bad as the opposition predicted, and the POTUS will get a bump.
Look at Iraq war for example, we were told it would be a cake walk, and when it was not, the GOP took a hit. If it had turned out better, we may have had a decade of GOP leadership.
Er, we had 8 years of GOP leadership, is that close enough for you? No, it wasn't a cake walk, it was war.
You said "If a program is passed, and works fine, then his popularity will grow, if it does not, it will go down." Come on Avanti, that's no insight, that's stating the obvious.
| 679 |
legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:50:43am |
re: #641 razorbacker
One could make a really depressing movie with that material.
| 680 |
johnnyreb Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:50:59am |
re: #620 taxfreekiller
Any one who gets a head injury in a motor cycle accident without a helmet on should be required to pay for all the hospital and Dr. care for that injury out of their own pocket. IMO.
If you want to be stupid, pay for it yourself.
In a huge fit or irony the guy who got the helmet law repealed here in CT died from head injuries in a motorcycle accident while not wearing a helmet. The bikers have a huge run for him every year that ends at his grave in my town. Pappy's run used to have about 1,000-1,500 bikes in it. Lately there are fewer than 500 or so because the state is cracking down on the run.
| 681 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:51:01am |
re: #647 MandyManners
What about those who linger in a vegetative state?
Yeah, shouldn't we carrot all?
| 682 |
avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:51:15am |
re: #644 Kenneth
It's far too soon to evaluate the Obama presidency. He's only a few months into his term. He tarted high, is slowly curving down. Eventually his approval will drop, then level off at his base level. That's what happens.
I predict his base level will hover at the 50-54 % level.
| 683 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:51:17am |
re: #677 turn
Maybe we should have invaded NK instead, history will tell (if we live long enough). If war breaks out Seoul is toast, if I lived there I would evacuate now.
The problem with invading North Korea is China, as we see from history.
I would be out of the country, myself.
| 684 |
badger1970 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:51:19am |
re: #603 OldLineTexan
I get the willies thinking of the road rash. ugh
| 685 |
razorbacker Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:51:40am |
re: #666 MandyManners
Sounds like a character in a future Carl Hiaasen novel.
He was a character, all right.
The odd thing about it was, at least two of the boys were good enough fellows, except for the whole stomping-a-guy-to-death thing.
I never had any problems with them.
| 686 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:52:04am |
re: #668 Pianobuff
Sounds superior. I'll definitely check it out. Also, you nailed some of the high quality tweeters.
It's an amazing situation really, watching CNN report their news based on tweets just like the rest of us. Meanwhile, I saw/heard HRC and Gates acknowledging abject ignorance of social networking, other than allowing that it's somehow a really important part of the process.
Yeah, I had the news on yesterday morning for awhile; they were reporting things I already knew, and to "fill" the time, they would bring in "analysts", who added no value whatsoever. Hard to "analyze" when the information is so sketchy and changing from minute to minute.
| 687 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:52:11am |
re: #665 Sunlight
Our synagogue is starting a program of "organizing our congretations" and is in some interfaith "community organizing" group with the Episcopalians. I'm getting nauseated with this stuff.
Ecumenalism has its supporters and critics. I do know that Jews and Christians might one day have to stand together against Islam.
| 688 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:52:15am |
I made a slideshow of images of the Iran Protests. Just finished uploading it. Pictures are mostly from Faramarz's photostream, music is "Asian Dub Foundation - Hope"
| 689 |
J.S. Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:52:16am |
re: #664 avanti
CNN is showing the Iranian "police" beating women with steel bars, etc. (they're doing a special segment on Iranian women defying the regime's thugs.)
| 690 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:52:28am |
re: #664 avanti
Fox is covering the rapper beating his girlfriend story, I just checked.
Cover the beating 24/7? What a cheap assed shot.
| 691 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:52:50am |
Interesting:
'reports I have heard that people taking pictures, film or somehow communicating
during the demonstrations are being targeted. Some report seeing sharp shooters on roofs. end quote
another source: since friday night sms services have been back on everywhere except tehran
reports of mobile phones in tehran working until late afternoon/eve'
(Tehranbureau)
I notice that some twitters now send these larger messages as consecutive tweets.
| 692 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:52:50am |
re: #667 reine.de.tout
Actually, no, became accustomed to it, actually understood their frustration, I often had the same frustrations.
But learned many many lessons in trying to persuade folks to calm down, discuss things honestly without accusations, etc.
I bet you know more about that than FCBBHO.
| 693 |
Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:53:38am |
re: #665 Sunlight
Our synagogue is starting a program of "organizing our congretations" and is in some interfaith "community organizing" group with the Episcopalians. I'm getting nauseated with this stuff.
My son has been a community organizer for 10 years. He community organized in Moscow, and now he is moving with his family to New York as a base for community organizing world wide.
Before you laugh, he is part of the project to reorganize the community that was devastated in Mumbai last November.
| 694 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:54:08am |
| 695 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:54:19am |
| 696 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:54:22am |
'"There is a massive, massive, massive police presence - their presence is really intimidating" #iranelection'
(StopAhamdi)
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:54:26am |
Video from Tehran, the people vs the Basiji... & the people win.
More & more, the people are fighting back. The regime cannot sustain this forever. There comes a point when the people just don't care what happens and they accept the beatings and deaths if that's what it takes to get rid of the dictators. That happened in 1989 when the Berlin Wall fell, and it's happening now in Tehran.
| 698 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:55:03am |
re: #685 razorbacker
He was a character, all right.
The odd thing about it was, at least two of the boys were good enough fellows, except for the whole stomping-a-guy-to-death thing.
I never had any problems with them.
Maybe that was because you didn't challenge them or present as a weak target.
| 699 |
Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:55:08am |
| 700 |
Lincolntf Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:55:35am |
Just made the executive decision that the wife and I will be going out for a quick lunch and catching a matinee of The Hangover. Good comedies are rare, and I've got my hopes up based on pretty much unanimous positive buzz. Anyone seen it?
| 701 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:55:52am |
| 702 |
turn Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:55:53am |
re: #683 OldLineTexan
The problem with invading North Korea is China, as we see from history.
I would be out of the country, myself.
The special covered the thing with Clinton and Carter too, which I knew little of. Clinton was seriously considering attacking NK to destroy their nuclear weapons labs but Carter intervened. No wonder they don't get along.
| 703 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:56:03am |
re: #693 Alouette
My son has been a community organizer for 10 years. He community organized in Moscow, and now he is moving with his family to New York as a base for community organizing world wide.
Before you laugh, he is part of the project to reorganize the community that was devastated in Mumbai last November.
Bless his heart!
| 704 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:56:11am |
re: #682 avanti
Ok, but you will be wrong. No president held a bottom level that high. We shall see.
| 705 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:56:17am |
re: #689 J.S.
CNN is showing the Iranian "police" beating women with steel bars, etc. (they're doing a special segment on Iranian women defying the regime's thugs.)
Given how often they whitewash Iran, I find a segment like a welcome change.
| 706 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:56:19am |
re: #700 Lincolntf
Just made the executive decision that the wife and I will be going out for a quick lunch and catching a matinee of The Hangover. Good comedies are rare, and I've got my hopes up based on pretty much unanimous positive buzz. Anyone seen it?
I saving my money for the "Bruno" movie. I love Cohen.
| 707 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:56:55am |
'mousavi's popularity has soared since his response to khamenei on Friday
we laughed a lot when i told my friend rafsanjani being called 'reformist' in the west
but he said all eyes on raf [rafsanjani]
(tehranbureau)
| 708 |
razorbacker Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:57:00am |
re: #679 legalpad
One could make a really depressing movie with that material.
I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't already been. It is an actual case from somewhere around '69 or '70.
It has all the elements. Alcohol, drugs, the body dressed in women's undergarments, the homo-erotic nature of the whole thing.
And, like I say, at least two likeable guys. I really didn't know the other two. I mean, I knew who they were, I just wasn't friendly with them.
| 709 |
Irish Rose Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:57:26am |
re: #684 badger1970
I get the willies thinking of the road rash. ugh
I used to bike, many years ago.
I owned a beautiful Kaw that was my pride and joy.
Had a few minor injuries and one close call, but I still loved it.
Always wore a helmet.
| 710 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:58:13am |
| 711 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:58:54am |
'source in shiraz says there it is the same story
but less than tehran'
'source in tehran says university quiet earlier today
thinks they have postponed exams'
(both from tehranbureau)
| 712 |
avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:59:08am |
re: #704 Kenneth
Ok, but you will be wrong. No president held a bottom level that high. We shall see.
I think there may be dips a bit lower, maybe some swings a bit higher, but it's just my lame guess based on the Kool Aid factor.
| 713 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:59:37am |
TehranBureau:
ppl frightened but also fed up
the story of neda has had a big effect although most ppl havent' seen video
mousavi's popularity has soared since his response to khamenei on Friday
we laughed a lot when i told my friend rafsanjani being called 'reformist' in the west
kordestan quiet has been since election because ppl there know they are in different circumstances if they do anything will be instantly crushed and in kurdistan they don't want to fuel regime's fire so they are staying home
regime blaming all on terrorists backed by west, MEK
national tv showed scenes of saturday - only scenes of protestors attacking security forces
their line (regime) is that protestors terrorists funded by west and holligans
| 714 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 22, 2009 7:59:50am |
re: #710 MandyManners
It's taking a turnip for the worst.
So many pun threads, you'd think we got paid a celery for them.
| 715 |
Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:00:12am |
| 716 |
razorbacker Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:00:35am |
re: #698 MandyManners
Maybe that was because you didn't challenge them or present as a weak target.
I wouldn't go that far. I'm not an imposing figure, or particularly tough. Less than average, I'm guess.
But...well, people have always talked to me, and told me things they didn't share with others. And once you've told secrets, you tend to be protective of that secret-buddy.
| 717 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:01:02am |
| 718 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:01:12am |
re: #712 avanti
Kool Aid goes sour after a while. The hangover can be especially bad.
| 719 |
Irish Rose Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:01:16am |
gclaghorn is having a meltdown.
It's a thing of beauty.
| 720 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:01:20am |
Here are photos from much earlier tweets, I think this happened yesterday:
Mullahs demonstrate together with the people
| 722 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:02:18am |
| 723 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:02:20am |
re: #712 avanti
I think there may be dips a bit lower, maybe some swings a bit higher, but it's just my lame guess based on the Kool Aid factor.
Can you clarify what you mean? When you say the "kool aid factor," are you speaking of people supporting Obama because they are enamored of him, apart from his actual effectiveness, which will help keep him in the 50-54 percent positive polling range?
Can you help me here? Honest question on my part.
| 724 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:02:25am |
| 725 |
J.S. Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:02:36am |
re: #707 yma o hyd
Did you catch David Frum's column "More than just terrorism and pistachio nuts"? (Frum mentioned Rafsanjani -- as being one of the most despised men in Iran.)
| 727 |
Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:03:18am |
re: #717 Creeping Eruption
These puns are so funny I am going to pea
Come back after you take a leek.
| 728 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:03:32am |
re: #714 Kosh's Shadow
So many pun threads, you'd think we got paid a celery for them.
That's a salad point you just made.
| 729 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:03:49am |
re: #714 Kosh's Shadow
So many pun threads, you'd think we got paid a celery for them.
Let's squash that kind of talk right now.
| 730 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:04:10am |
| 731 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:04:19am |
Hmmm... covert op that Sy Hersch claimed to have exposed last year to destabilize regime in Iran may be paying dividends and is quite the bargain, but why is it that such plans get exposed, but terrorists holding a journalist gets held back on concerns about secrecy and security? Double standard much?
| 732 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:04:20am |
| 733 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:04:25am |
re: #729 MandyManners
Let's squash that kind of talk right now.
This thread sure is peppered with puns today.
| 734 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:04:30am |
| 735 |
razorbacker Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:04:39am |
BBIAB.
Hummingbirds need fed. Porch plants need watering. Goldfish need fed. Razorbacker needs fed.
*Let's see now. Goldfish could fertilize the porch plants, and I've heard that hummingbird tongues were a delicacy amongst the Aztec royalty. This could, if worked right, be a one-time deal.*
| 736 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:04:51am |
re: #719 Irish Rose
gclaghorn is having a meltdown.
It's a thing of beauty.
Where? I love watching a good meltdown.
| 737 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:05:12am |
re: #716 razorbacker
I wouldn't go that far. I'm not an imposing figure, or particularly tough. Less than average, I'm guess.
But...well, people have always talked to me, and told me things they didn't share with others. And once you've told secrets, you tend to be protective of that secret-buddy.
Maybe you should've been a shrink or an attorney.
| 738 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:05:38am |
| 739 |
Sunlight Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:06:00am |
re: #673 reine.de.tout
The Episcopalians or the organizing?
I think you meant the "organizing", forgive me for popping in with silliness.
Partially silly. "Organizing" for sure. But the Episcopalians are where I was raised and left when I became an adult. Later converted as we raised our kids Jewish (a lovely way of life)... So I guess it's weird seeing my anchor more and more setting sail into the waters I left. I am in a definite cul-de-sac at this point.
| 740 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:06:01am |
| 741 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:06:11am |
| 742 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:06:12am |
'5:52
Anti-riot police attacks a crowd of people holding candles in Tehran’s 7 Tir Sq., attempting to disperse them
5:55
Iran’s Supreme Leader meets with heads three branches of government to discuss post-election protests
6:00
there are some 1,000 protesters.
6:01
Just hours before, the armor sethas entered the azadi (FREEDOM) square in tehran
6:03
IN CENTRAL TEHRAN; POLICE ATTACK PROTESTERS WITH TEAR GAS AND FIRE IN THE AIR.
6:05
Clashes at Haft e Tri Sq. More than 10,000 Protesters gathering in memory of 25 p killed Sat, including Neda
6:05
Clashes are underway in Tehran after police fired tear gas at hundreds of protesters and fired in the air.
6:10
There are currently 2000 officers resting in tents in a park called (LALEH) in tehran
6:12
Sepah (IRG) Warned :Will Faceing With Protesters So Hard!
6:13
Police, Bassij, Hezbollah attacking People at Hafte Tir (Central Tehran), Protester throwing stones and set fire,tea gas used.
6:15
Ali lerijani, hashemi shahroodi and mahmoud ahmadi nejad, held a conference with ayatllah khameneyi this morning regarding the elections and the current situations
6:17
Riot police and Basij militia disperse large crowd in Tehran and arrest at least 5 people.
6:20
behind rafansanjanis meetings with the authorities in qom, there is a possibility for the formation of leader ship council in iran
6:30
Intense fightings in mofatteh street, the sound of ambulance can easily be heard from karimkhan, people are walking in the streets of hafte tir, and are keeping quiet
6:30
The cantre square and the subway is in the hands of the mobilizing groups. in all the high buildings around the field, power arms can be seen
6:37
they're hitting people in Hafte Tir sqaure. about 3-5 thousand people are there
6:40
Amirabad is currently full of gaurds and police
6:45
Iranian police attack hundreds of protesters with tear gas, fire in the air to disperse Tehran rally
6:46
Forces are beating ppl in 7 Tir sq
6:47
7 Tir sq. & metro station in control of the forces. On 7 Tir St., People are walking but keeping quite so far
6:55
Hafte tir, karimkhan, sanayi and laleh park are the scene of clashes between secret forces and the crowd who are wearing all black and are holding flowers in their hands
7:00
Tens of thousends of candles lit throughout Tehran, mashad, Shiraz, Ahwaz
7:01
Many people have gathered at the hafte tir round about and are sitting on the grounds. they are all quiet and have candles lighted in their hands hwever the special guards are trying to attack people and force them to move away
7:02
At the hafte tir round about the number of secret forces are much more than the ordinary people
7:03
Islamic Republic' state tv is asking "citizens" to help identify and arrest protestors
7:05
all the cell phones in the areas of hafte tir, enghelab and azadi are currently disconnected
7:10
cell networks are currently down at hafte tir, enghelab and azadi square
7:13
Police and basiji all over tehran, but candles appearing every corner,ever avenue, every alleyway
7:14
Conflict in Hafte Tir Sq
7:15
During the demonstrations are being targeted. Some report seeing sharp shooters on roofs
7:17
Mobile phones in tehran working until late afternoon/eve
7:18
Majid dori, student activist has been arrested
7:20
Although people all over iran still have their bjections, and the clashes between people and the special guards are getting worse every day in other cities of iran. ahmadinejad is giving advice for his second cabinet
7:21
Since friday night sms services have been back on everywhere except tehran
7:22
Spreading Clashes to all Central St. Hafte Tir, Ferdosi, Vali Asr, Enghelab, More than 50,000 protesters are in the streets
7:23
Abbas Abdi from Karoubi campaign: GC should disqualify themselves
7:30
Source in shiraz says there it is the same story
From the blog our Winston recommended:
[Link: shooresh1917.blogspot.com...]
| 743 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:06:20am |
| 744 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:06:22am |
re: #719 Irish Rose
gclaghorn is having a meltdown.
It's a thing of beauty.
It really does look like being banned from LGF was Glaghorns most painful experience in life. He will never get over it.
| 745 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:06:52am |
re: #731 lawhawk
covert op that Sy Hersch claimed to have exposed last year to destabilize regime in Iran may be paying dividends
I really don't think the sekrit opps that Sy Hersh sees in his breakfast cereal every morning has much to do with what's happening in Iran right now.
| 746 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:07:04am |
| 747 |
KenJen Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:07:06am |
re: #740 Dark_Falcon
Orange you glad you still got a good one in?
These puns are soo funny. I've never laughed so chard in my life.
| 749 |
quickjustice Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:07:44am |
re: #700 Lincolntf
Hangover is "Animal House", 21st Century Edition. Same genre as Animal House and Borat, but less funny and cruder.
There are some funny scenes and funny lines. The detective aspect of retracing their steps was clever. I thought much of the humor really cruel and coarse. Lots of people like that, however.
| 750 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:07:53am |
Oh great. Not only are our public employees on strike. The liqour store employees may be striking as well. :(
| 752 |
avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:08:06am |
re: #723 Walter L. Newton
Can you clarify what you mean? When you say the "kool aid factor," are you speaking of people supporting Obama because they are enamored of him, apart from his actual effectiveness, which will help keep him in the 50-54 percent positive polling range?
Can you help me here? Honest question on my part.
Yep, exactly, just like "Teflon Bill", there are folks that are enamored of of Obama to the point that they don't see the flaws will let them slide.
| 753 |
Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:08:23am |
| 754 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:08:33am |
re: #730 Occasional Reader
Whey, whey back.
Following two pun conversations will just cheese me off.
| 755 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:09:05am |
re: #744 Jimmah
It really does look like being banned from LGF was Glaghorns most painful experience in life. He will never get over it.
Really defensive.
| 756 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:09:06am |
| 758 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:09:21am |
re: #754 MandyManners
Following two pun conversations will just cheese me off.
Well the, gouday to you.
| 760 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:09:30am |
re: #752 avanti
Yep, exactly, just like "Teflon Bill", there are folks that are enamored of of Obama to the point that they don't see the flaws will let them slide.
Thanks, your answer is gold.
| 761 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:09:47am |
re: #725 J.S.
Did you catch David Frum's column "More than just terrorism and pistachio nuts"? (Frum mentioned Rafsanjani -- as being one of the most despised men in Iran.)
No, I didn't, sorry.
To be sure, Rafsanjani is not the flavour of the month in iran - but he is one of the most powerful Ayatollahs, with a huge clan. His children were arrested, the daughter is free now, because they worked for Mousavi.
If someone can get Khamenei to retreat (if not worse) then its Rafsanjani.
That is why people are tweeteing about him alledgedly being in Qum, to confer with the other Ayatollas, especially Grand Ayatollah Montazeri, who has condemned the electionf raud - twice now!
| 762 |
Sunlight Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:09:57am |
re: #687 MandyManners
Ecumenalism has its supporters and critics. I do know that Jews and Christians might one day have to stand together against Islam.
I totally agree. My issue is with the ecumenalism being a PAC for Obama and the dem party, while banishing things like the scouts. Political favoritism won't be good in the long run.
| 763 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:10:00am |
| 764 |
Pianobuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:10:00am |
re: #747 KenJen
These puns are soo funny. I've never laughed so chard in my life.
Everyone seems to be in good spirits following Fava's Day.
| 765 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:10:39am |
| 767 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:10:48am |
| 768 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:10:56am |
| 769 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:11:11am |
| 770 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:11:15am |
re: #757 Sharmuta
[Link: defenseman.wordpress.com...]
Clag's witty comeback:
Takes one to know one.
the eloquence of a 5-year-old.
| 771 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:11:23am |
Here's the graph comparing presidential approval ratings. The interesting thing is how similar most of the curves are. Also worth noting, contrary to the popular misconception, George W. Bush was not the least popular president of recent history. Both Truman & Nixon had lower ratings.
| 772 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:11:34am |
| 773 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:11:52am |
| 774 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:12:05am |
re: #754 MandyManners
Following two pun conversations will just cheese me off.
It's so sexy when you pun like that... I could simply radish you.
| 775 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:12:08am |
| 777 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:12:27am |
re: #744 Jimmah
It really does look like being banned from LGF was Glaghorns most painful experience in life. He will never get over it.
Well, Stryker never got over macho grande.
| 778 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:12:31am |
re: #751 reine.de.tout
YMA!
great job.
Its only thanks to Winston that I got that blog - its been excellent this past week.
| 779 |
KenJen Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:12:34am |
re: #764 Pianobuff
Everyone seems to be in good spirits following Fava's Day.
Good one. My pun kales in comparison.
| 780 |
Erik The Red Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:13:10am |
re: #754 MandyManners
Morning Lizards. 2M you just got mentioned over at defenseman's blog.
African Moondog Says: One of the reasons why I stopped visiting LGF01 is that Mandy Manners made me want to do that on more than the odd occasion.
Some people have just way too much free time.
| 781 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:13:20am |
| 782 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:13:34am |
re: #758 Mad Al-Jaffee
Well the, gouday to you.
There's no need to make Mandy feel Blue. She's never afraid to engage in Robust-o debate.
| 783 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:13:41am |
| 785 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:13:58am |
re: #757 Sharmuta
[Link: defenseman.wordpress.com...]
Man, that's fucking rich.
Remember when he showed up here, how he up-dinged me and you repeatedly? How he tried to horn in on conversations?
I STILL get the creeps thinking about it.
| 786 |
avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:14:17am |
re: #760 Walter L. Newton
Thanks, your answer is gold.
Well, don't get to excited, there are those on the right that believe Bush II was one of the finest POTUS's in history, it's the nature of the beast if you like the guy personally.
| 787 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:14:19am |
I'm following the progress of my daughter's plane as she returns from Europe.
Good news, so far, the plane is still in the air.
| 788 |
Sunlight Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:14:26am |
re: #693 Alouette
My son has been a community organizer for 10 years. He community organized in Moscow, and now he is moving with his family to New York as a base for community organizing world wide.
Before you laugh, he is part of the project to reorganize the community that was devastated in Mumbai last November.
I have no issue with volunteer or even sponsored work. As a matter of fact, I was "volunteer of the year" at two community organizations when my kids were younger. I'm talking about the use in the U.S. of community organizing as a political tool. Cheers to your son. You raised him well.
| 789 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:14:28am |
| 790 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:14:49am |
| 791 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:14:56am |
re: #747 KenJen
These puns are soo funny. I've never laughed so chard in my life.
Careful, if you laugh too hard, you might artichoke.
| 792 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:15:21am |
re: #762 Sunlight
I totally agree. My issue is with the ecumenalism being a PAC for Obama and the dem party, while banishing things like the scouts. Political favoritism won't be good in the long run.
Ecumenalism has been an issue in the Christian churches for a long time.
| 793 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:15:47am |
re: #755 Sharmuta
Really defensive.
And pathetic:
And as for the whole grudge thing, he blocked me from accessing his website, or rather, tried to block me from accessing his website, because I said mean things about him.
| 794 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:15:49am |
Damn.
These pun threads are great for the cookbook's ROFLMAO section
If anybody can go thru and catch these posts in a word document and send it to me, I would be most appreciative.
| 795 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:16:15am |
| 796 |
J.S. Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:16:31am |
re: #761 yma o hyd
Here's a link to Frum's article...Frum argues that , in part, the uprising is about the economy in Iran..rampant corruption, massive unemployment ,etc. Frum writes: "The collapsing economy has exacerbated Iran's already horrific social problems. Iran is home to some two million narcotics users. Despite (or perhaps because of ) the regime's repressive sexual attitudes, prostitution flourishes: An estimated 85,000 prostitutes work in Tehran alone. Last year the head of Iran's anti-vice police force was arrested cavorting with six naked prostitutes in a Tehran brothel. It's generally estimated that Iran is home to 80,000 cases of HIV/AIDS -- three-quarters of these cases traceable to intravenous drug use."
| 797 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:16:42am |
| 798 |
legalpad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:16:49am |
| 799 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:17:08am |
re: #786 avanti
Well, don't get to excited, there are those on the right that believe Bush II was one of the finest POTUS's in history, it's the nature of the beast if you like the guy personally.
Fine, fine, fine, but I wasn't asking you about Bush, or anyone else but Obama, and, I'll say it again, your answer was gold. I got it bookmarked for future reference.
Thanks.
| 800 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:17:16am |
re: #785 MandyManners
I find this comment hilarious:
I registered at LGF with the purest of intentions, after having heard rave reviews about the blog from friends and acquaintances.
Right- and now you run a stalker blog. Why would anyone believe the sincerity of a stalker?
| 801 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:17:20am |
List of detained journalists and officials.
| 802 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:17:31am |
| 803 |
Erik The Red Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:17:45am |
re: #784 BlueCanuck
Morning Erik, how are you doing this day?
Hey Blue. I feel like shit. My liver and kidneys have decided that want a new "host" and a freight train has been running around my head the whole day. I have been partying hard the last week. I leave here on the 2 July. I think I am trying to drink all of S. Africa's scotch supply.
| 804 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:17:47am |
| 805 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:18:24am |
re: #796 J.S.
Thanks for that link - bookmarked, and I'll be reading it in between hanging in here and looking at tweets!
| 806 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:18:46am |
| 807 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:18:46am |
re: #745 Occasional Reader
I happen to agree, but I find it curious as to why the left (and Hersch is clearly a lefty) has no problem exposing such claims - or inventing them wholesale, while keeping secret efforts to keep a single journalist safe. It's all too common from the likes of the NYT and other media outlets, who have no problem outing programs that keep millions safe and don't think twice about doing so, but if one of their own has an issue or their access to thugs and dictators is threatened, they go out of their way to keep silent.
| 808 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:18:51am |
11:01 AM ET --
Government accuses demonstrators of murder. From Iran's state TV: "Tehran's prosecutor general's office has said that some armed saboteurs opened fire on civilians and killed people in post-election violence in Tehran. 'A number of Tehrani citizens were shot dead by unknown vandals Saturday night,' said the office on Monday."
| 809 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:18:53am |
re: #774 Occasional Reader
It's so sexy when you pun like that... I could simply radish you.
How crudite can you get?!
| 810 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:18:58am |
re: #803 Erik The Red
Well, in that case I recommend a round of detoxing after you get back. :)
| 811 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:19:21am |
| 812 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:19:25am |
| 813 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:19:27am |
| 814 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:19:27am |
re: #796 J.S.
Last year the head of Iran's anti-vice police force was arrested cavorting with six naked prostitutes in a Tehran brothel.
"It's... um... research! Yeah, that's the ticket!"
| 815 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:19:52am |
re: #793 Jimmah
I think the irony is lost on that one. S/he said bad things about Charles and repeatedly snuck back in with socks and Charles is out of line for IP blocking it.
Helloooo?
| 817 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:19:58am |
re: #796 J.S.
Here's a link to Frum's article...Frum argues that , in part, the uprising is about the economy in Iran..rampant corruption, massive unemployment ,etc. Frum writes: "The collapsing economy has exacerbated Iran's already horrific social problems. Iran is home to some two million narcotics users. Despite (or perhaps because of ) the regime's repressive sexual attitudes, prostitution flourishes: An estimated 85,000 prostitutes work in Tehran alone. Last year the head of Iran's anti-vice police force was arrested cavorting with six naked prostitutes in a Tehran brothel. It's generally estimated that Iran is home to 80,000 cases of HIV/AIDS -- three-quarters of these cases traceable to intravenous drug use."
Sounds the Tehran Vice Squad has the integrity you'd expect to find on a vice squad in Chicago. The drug use figures don't surprise me: Iran has been a major heroin producer from decades.
| 818 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:20:11am |
re: #780 Erik The Red
Morning Lizards. 2M you just got mentioned over at defenseman's blog.
African Moondog Says: One of the reasons why I stopped visiting LGF01 is that Mandy Manners made me want to do that on more than the odd occasion.
Some people have just way too much free time.
FUCKING-A! I'M FAMOUS!
| 819 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:20:19am |
Tweets via andrew sullivan....
“Head of parliament’s judiciary committee: Mousavi accountable for illegal protests, can be pursued legally.”“Iran MP: Ground ready to legally pursue Mousavi for ‘acting against national security.”
“Head of the Judicial Commission of Majlis has requested the judicial pursuit of Mir Hussein Mousavi.”
| 820 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:20:33am |
| 821 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:20:36am |
| 822 |
jcm Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:20:39am |
Neutrality Isn’t an Option
You always have a dog in the fight, whether you know it or not.
Mark Steyn
So in his recent speech in Cairo he applied the same technique. Among his many unique qualities, the 44th president is the first to give the impression that the job is beneath him — that he is too big and too gifted to be confined to the humdrum interests of one nation state. As my former National Review colleague David Frum put it, the Obama address offered “the amazing spectacle of an American president taking an equidistant position between the country he leads and its detractors and enemies.”What would you make of that “equidistance” if you were back in the palace watching it on CNN International? Maybe you’d know that, on domestic policy, Obama uses the veneer of disinterested arbiter as a feint. Or maybe you’d just figure that no serious world leader can ever be neutral on vital issues. So you’d start combing the speech for what lies underneath the usual Obama straw men — and women: “I reject the view of some in the West that a woman who chooses to cover her hair is somehow less equal.” Very brave of you, I’m sure. But what about the Muslim women who choose not to cover themselves and wind up as the victims of honor killings in Germany and Scandinavia and Toronto and Dallas? Ah, but that would have required real courage, not audience flattery masquerading as such.
And so, when the analysts had finished combing the speech, they would have concluded that the meta-message of his “equidistance” was a prostration before “stability” — an acceptance of the region’s worst pathologies as a permanent feature of life.
The mullahs stole this election on a grander scale than ever before primarily for reasons of internal security and regional strategy. But Obama’s speech told them that, in the “post-American world,” they could do so with impunity. Blaming his “agents” for the protests is merely a bonus: Offered the world’s biggest carrot, Khamenei took it and used it as a stick.
He won’t be the last to read Obama this way.
| 823 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:20:39am |
re: #812 reine.de.tout
"unknown vandals"?
Unknown vandals wearing uniforms and outfits that match previous descriptions of.... Iranian police and Basiji.
| 824 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:20:42am |
Iranian Hero & Leading Activist Ahmad Batebi On Obama:
"His Lack of Response Will Not Be Regarded Kindly"
| 825 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:20:54am |
| 826 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:22:06am |
re: #823 lawhawk
Unknown vandals wearing uniforms and outfits that match previous descriptions of.... Iranian police and Basiji.
surprise, surprise, surprise.
An earlier tweet mentioned the same thing.
Do they really think anyone is buying the "unknown vandals" spin?
| 827 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:22:11am |
re: #825 Occasional Reader
I'm a man, not a Munster!
Not to go out on a limburgher, but are you sure about that?
| 828 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:22:20am |
re: #794 reine.de.tout
Damn.
These pun threads are great for the cookbook's ROFLMAO section
If anybody can go thru and catch these posts in a word document and send it to me, I would be most appreciative.
I'm pressed for time but, I'll try to put it on my colander.
| 829 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:22:31am |
| 830 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:22:55am |
re: #818 MandyManners
FUCKING-A! I'M FAMOUS!
"This is the kind of spontaneous publicity - your name in print - that makes people. I'm in print! Things are going to start happening to me now."
-Steve Martin, The Jerk
| 831 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:23:22am |
Cripes, look at this!
'from Tehran (earlier today): tell the Europeans, stop posturing
wasn't human rights supposed to be so important to you?
you're all full of empty slogans, aren't you?
it's hypocritical to keep pretending they care about human rights, when it's really only economic interests they're after.
there is no other option: everyone has to get involved to help us.
don't you see, they're massacring us here.
The United States cannot grant this man a visa!
This man doesn't represent us!
this man cannot be invited to international summits!
they cannot make official visits to this country either!
you cannot believe it. they have turned this place into a killing field.
people are frightened to death here. they have gone quiet. the stores are closed.
there were plans to go and gather at 7 Tir [earlier today Tehran time] for that poor young woman Neda.
(tehranbureau - to be cont'd)
| 832 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:23:25am |
re: #830 Occasional Reader
"This is the kind of spontaneous publicity - your name in print - that makes people. I'm in print! Things are going to start happening to me now."
-Steve Martin, The Jerk
"Die gas pumper!"
| 833 |
Bloodnok Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:23:32am |
re: #800 Sharmuta
I find this comment hilarious:
Right- and now you run a stalker blog. Why would anyone believe the sincerity of a stalker?
Pure intentions? After 20 seconds of research (which is all I will devote to that lunatic) I noticed that 15 minutes after registering it asked Charles the process he used to spot sockpuppets. Yeah. Pure intentions indeed.
| 834 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:23:38am |
re: #800 Sharmuta
I find this comment hilarious:
Right- and now you run a stalker blog. Why would anyone believe the sincerity of a stalker?
Because they're from the same cloth?
| 835 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:24:05am |
| 836 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:24:16am |
re: #833 Bloodnok
Pure intentions? After 20 seconds of research (which is all I will devote to that lunatic) I noticed that 15 minutes after registering it asked Charles the process he used to spot sockpuppets. Yeah. Pure intentions indeed.
Pwned.
| 837 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:24:43am |
re: #832 Mad Al-Jaffee
"Die gas pumper!"
MANDY! GET AWAY FROM THOSE CANS! THE STALKERS HATE THOSE CANS!
| 838 |
irish rose Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:24:50am |
BTW lizards, I'm updating my Yahoo and MSN Messenger contact lists this morning.
If anyone would like to be added, feel free to drop me an email.
| 839 |
jcm Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:24:50am |
re: #808 Killgore Trout
11:01 AM ET --
....shot dead by unknown vandals Saturday night...
That's rich...
| 840 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:24:56am |
re: #826 reine.de.tout
surprise, surprise, surprise.
An earlier tweet mentioned the same thing.
Do they really think anyone is buying the "unknown vandals" spin?
Nope, nobody will buy it who isn't already on the mullah's side. The Iranians aren't very good at propaganda. Compared to Hamas, or even the old USSR, their efforts earn a rating of EPIC FAIL.
| 841 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:24:57am |
| 842 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:25:12am |
| 843 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:25:50am |
| 844 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:26:03am |
Continued:
'I'm going, but I'm scared. I may go quietly.
Sepah [IRGC] has announced it will crush us. they're murderers.
But at night from 10 to 11 pm we all come out and say Allah o Akbar [God is Great] and Death to the Dictator.
Please tell the world that we protesters are not terrorists [as reported by state tv]. it's the other way around: they're terrorizing us!
end quote
(From tehranbureau - my emphasis)
| 845 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:26:36am |
Tehran bureau, passing along a message they go from somebody:
from Tehran (earlier today) : tell the Europeans, stop posturing
wasn't human rights supposed to be so important to you?
you're all full of empty slogans, aren't you?t's hypocritical to keep pretending they care about human rights, when it's really only economic interests they're after.
there is no other option: everyone has to get involved to help us.
don't you see, they're massacring us here.
The United States cannot grant this man a visa!
This man doesn't represent us!
this man cannot be invited to international summits!
you cannot believe it. they have turned this place into a killing field.
there were plans to go and gather at 7 Tir [earlier today Tehran time] for that poor young woman Neda.I'm going, but I'm scared. I may go quietly.
Sepah [IRGC] has announced it will crush us. they're murderers.
But at night from 10 to 11 pm we all come out and say Allah o Akbar [God is Great] and Death to the Dictator.
Please tell the world that we protesters are not terrorists [as reported by state tv]. it's the other way around: they're terrorizing us!
| 846 |
MandyManners Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:26:41am |
| 847 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:27:20am |
'RT: 7-Tir sq: people are frightened to death here. they have gone quiet. the stores are closed. #gr88 #iranelection'
(iran09)
| 848 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:27:44am |
| 849 |
turn Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:27:46am |
re: #820 Mad Al-Jaffee
It's nacho turn to post a new one.
I've been called macho, but never nacho. If you say more bad words about turn, you're going to have to edam.
| 850 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:27:50am |
re: #844 yma o hyd
But at night from 10 to 11 pm we all come out and say Allah o Akbar
[sigh]
Guys, that's actually part of your problem...
| 852 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:28:13am |
These last tweets again make me recall Hungary 1956 ...
| 853 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:28:49am |
re: #833 Bloodnok
Pure intentions? After 20 seconds of research (which is all I will devote to that lunatic) I noticed that 15 minutes after registering it asked Charles the process he used to spot sockpuppets. Yeah. Pure intentions indeed.
I thought "Stinky" was named because he could smell the stink of a dirty sock.
Can't hide that.
//
| 854 |
FrogMarch Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:29:05am |
re: #822 jcm
Honco!
“I reject the view of some in the West that a woman who chooses to cover her hair is somehow less equal.” Very brave of you [Obama], I’m sure. But what about the Muslim women who choose not to cover themselves and wind up as the victims of honor killings in Germany and Scandinavia and Toronto and Dallas? Ah, but that would have required real courage, not audience flattery masquerading as such.
| 855 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:29:10am |
re: #815 Sharmuta
I think the irony is lost on that one. S/he said bad things about Charles and repeatedly snuck back in with socks and Charles is out of line for IP blocking it.
Helloooo?
And we hold an 'unfair grudge' towards those whose only sin is to form a stalker site whose sole reason for existing is to generate hate and lies directed at this site, it's owner and it's community.
Helloooo! McFly?
| 857 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:29:47am |
re: #850 Occasional Reader
[sigh]
Guys, that's actually part of your problem...
Ahem.
According to some tweets last week - they do this to actually taunt the religious dictators. The good thing is - those religious dictators can't do anything about it, they cannot forbid people, muslims at that, to shout 'allah akbar' ...
| 858 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:30:26am |
"His (Obama) lack of response will not be regarded lightly. We will watch for how much his response will help the people or the regime. We will know more this week... Obama can hold talks with the regime in Iran if he wants. Is it morally correct for Obama to support the regime? Does he actually believe the people of Iran will appreciate that? The social movement requires support. If the world really wants the advent of terrorism to disappear in the Middle East, if they want peace with the Palestinians and Israel, if they want nuclear technology to be developed for peaceful things and not nuclear weapons... They only need to support the people of Iran right now. This regime has the most dangerous of ideologies. They're killing the opposition.
| 859 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:30:28am |
| 860 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:31:01am |
re: #856 taxfreekiller
Ones in Iran.
Use the night.
Pre-plan by voice one on one, no cell phone,no e-mail.
Use runners.Use sling shots to put the rocks out long distance.
Go for their head lights and or comm. guy.
Command is always near the comm. antena.Set three to four points to join up and protest.
Have pre-planed escape routes.
Use hand held walkie talkies with code words only.Be smart, stay alive, keep it up for weeks.
Good tactics, tfk.
| 861 |
KenJen Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:31:48am |
| 863 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:32:30am |
'TR @iranbaan: most ofD journalists of Kalameh NewsPaper are surrounded in the newsp/ building right now #iranelection #gr88'
(iran09)
| 864 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:32:32am |
re: #861 KenJen
These cheese puns keep geting grater and grater.
Cheese Whiz! Like one String after another
| 865 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:32:39am |
re: #857 yma o hyd
The protesters have also taken to carrying Koran's when they go into the streets to protest. The idea is to demonstrate how the regime is ant-Islamic: the corruption, the oppression & the brutality. This tactic by the pro-democracy activists has gone a long was to delegitimize the regime.
| 866 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:33:24am |
re: #857 yma o hyd
Ahem.
According to some tweets last week - they do this to actually taunt the religious dictators. The good thing is - those religious dictators can't do anything about it, they cannot forbid people, muslims at that, to shout 'allah akbar' ...
If that's the case, great. I just hope they don't really think that somehow a "political Islam" is a solution to their problems...
| 867 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:33:45am |
Meanwhile, back in the USA, there's hatred and venom, and one such group, the Westboro Baptist Church, decided to come to the West Village in NYC to protest outside a synagogue that caters to the gay and lesbian community here.
The targets of this protest had something different in mind.
They used the opportunity to raise $10,000 in just under an hour.
BWHAHAHA
| 868 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:34:13am |
re: #865 Kenneth
The protesters have also taken to carrying Koran's when they go into the streets to protest. The idea is to demonstrate how the regime is ant-Islamic: the corruption, the oppression & the brutality. This tactic by the pro-democracy activists has gone a long was to delegitimize the regime.
Indeed, and it possibly has also influenced some mullahs to throw their lot in with the dissidents - the pictures I linked to above were absolutely astonishing!
| 869 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:35:29am |
re: #867 lawhawk
Meanwhile, back in the USA, there's hatred and venom, and one such group, the Westboro Baptist Church, decided to come to the West Village in NYC to protest outside a synagogue that caters to the gay and lesbian community here.
The targets of this protest had something different in mind.
They used the opportunity to raise $10,000 in just under an hour.
BWHAHAHA
Man Plans . . . God laughs. I'm laughing this time too.
| 870 |
avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:35:42am |
re: #799 Walter L. Newton
Fine, fine, fine, but I wasn't asking you about Bush, or anyone else but Obama, and, I'll say it again, your answer was gold. I got it bookmarked for future reference.
Thanks.
Bookmark this one too. Many voters will overlook even policy flaws from a POTUS they like. Take JFK for example, if you remove the Camelot factor, what were the major accomplishments of his administration ?
| 871 |
nyc redneck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:36:24am |
re: #831 yma o hyd
Cripes, look at this!
'from Tehran (earlier today): tell the Europeans, stop posturing
wasn't human rights supposed to be so important to you?
you're all full of empty slogans, aren't you?
it's hypocritical to keep pretending they care about human rights, when it's really only economic interests they're after.
there is no other option: everyone has to get involved to help us.
don't you see, they're massacring us here.
The United States cannot grant this man a visa!
This man doesn't represent us!
this man cannot be invited to international summits!
they cannot make official visits to this country either!
you cannot believe it. they have turned this place into a killing field.
people are frightened to death here. they have gone quiet. the stores are closed.
there were plans to go and gather at 7 Tir [earlier today Tehran time] for that poor young woman Neda.
(tehranbureau - to be cont'd)
there is so much bone chilling truth in this.
but o is unmoved by these words. this is tragic.
| 872 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:36:37am |
re: #870 avanti
Take JFK for example, if you remove the Camelot factor, what were the major accomplishments of his administration ?
Bedding Marilyn?
| 874 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:36:50am |
re: #720 yma o hyd
Here are photos from much earlier tweets, I think this happened yesterday:
Mullahs demonstrate together with the people
The regime is finished.
| 875 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:36:55am |
re: #866 Occasional Reader
If that's the case, great. I just hope they don't really think that somehow a "political Islam" is a solution to their problems...
From what i have gathered, its not so much about a 'political islam' as about a more democratic and more liberal republic, albeit still along the lines put up by Ayatollah Khomeini these thirty years ago.
Some Lizard made the very good comparison with Solidarnosc - they weren't going to overthrow the Communist regime, at the beginning ...
| 876 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:37:03am |
re: #860 Dark_Falcon
High tech has it's place, but most people forget to plan for low tech solutions. Best line was from the movie "D.A.R.Y.L.".
General Graycliffe: A child with a stick of chewing gum has just rendered your hundred million dollars of hardware useless.
| 877 |
johnnyreb Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:37:11am |
re: #870 avanti
Bookmark this one too. Many voters will overlook even policy flaws from a POTUS they like. Take JFK for example, if you remove the Camelot factor, what were the major accomplishments of his administration ?
Well his bumbling inexperience almost got us a Global Thermonuclear War. Does that count as an accomplishment?
| 878 |
Sharmuta Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:37:55am |
re: #720 yma o hyd
Here are photos from much earlier tweets, I think this happened yesterday:
Mullahs demonstrate together with the people
Interesting!
| 879 |
nyc redneck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:38:51am |
re: #852 yma o hyd
These last tweets again make me recall Hungary 1956 ...
my grandparents lived thru that. they lost their farm.
lucky to not lose their lives.
| 880 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:38:59am |
re: #877 johnnyreb
Well his bumbling inexperience almost got us a Global Thermonuclear War. Does that count as an accomplishment?
SO did playing tic-tac-toe. Whats your point?
//
| 881 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:39:52am |
re: #865 Kenneth
The protesters have also taken to carrying Koran's when they go into the streets to protest. The idea is to demonstrate how the regime is ant-Islamic: the corruption, the oppression & the brutality. This tactic by the pro-democracy activists has gone a long was to delegitimize the regime.
Have you read anything to indicate that the protesters are willing to:
a) end support of Hamas and Hezbollah;
b) stop meddling in Iraq;
c) stop the Irani nuke program; or,
d) recognize Israel?
Just wondering, because I haven't.
| 882 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:40:05am |
| 883 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:40:10am |
re: #874 Kenneth
The regime is finished.
Certainly Khameini and Ahmadinejad seem to just cling on by their fingernails. I find it quite signidicant that the Grand ayatollah has come out on the side of Mousavi, twice now - as has Khtami.
What Rafsanjani is doing right now seems to be a mystery - the rumour is he's in Qum with Montazeri.
There are things going on behind the scenes which will be hugely important - its no longer just about the demos.
| 885 |
quickjustice Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:41:30am |
re: #869 Creeping Eruption
In the West Village, anti-gay protesters are on enemy territory, as they're about to find out. They're outnumbered and out gunned. The gay community can assemble several thousand counter-protesters in a couple of days.
I'm a member of a Christian church with gay members. They're good members of that community. 'Nuff said.
| 886 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:41:53am |
'8:00
Police & plain cloths usings tear gas, pepper spray and batons to disperse crowd
8:3
Plain Cloths now in front of Kalameh newspaper place in Hafte Tir Sq. Journalists are stuck in the building
8:10
people :YOU'RE just riffraff, lower than dirt,I'm the aching lover, blazing and lit.
You're the black halo, oppressive and blind,I'm the brave hero and this land is mine!
8:11
People are gathering at 7tir SQ, Shouting,we're not afraid of death, we fear living'
[Link: shooresh1917.blogspot.com...]
| 887 |
johnnyreb Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:42:46am |
I find this quote more than a bit disturbing, mostly because I suspect we are going to finally be hearing a whole lot of economists beginning to actually tell the truth about the economy:
"I find it unfathomable that people are not horrified about what is going to happen," said Lawrence Mishel, president of the Economic Policy Institute. "I regard all this talk about how the recession is maybe going to end, all the talk about deficits and inflation, to be the equivalent of telling Americans, 'You are just going to have to tough it out.' But we're looking at persistent unemployment that is going to be extraordinarily damaging to many communities. There is a ton of pain in the pipeline."
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
| 888 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:43:01am |
'>Isa Sahrkhiz, Journalist arrested 1 hr. ago in Tehran, More than 25 Journalist Arrested in less than 1 week.
>Hezbollah attacked to Etemad Meli Newspaper.'
[Link: shooresh1917.blogspot.com...]
| 890 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:45:09am |
re: #866 Occasional Reader
If that's the case, great. I just hope they don't really think that somehow a "political Islam" is a solution to their problems...
"Political Islam"...aka "Khomeineism"... is the problem. Mousavi and the reform oriented mullahs hated Khamenei for his corruption and feared Ahmadinehjad for his extremism. They believed both were leading Iran away from the Khomeinei's founding principles. The people supported Mousavi because voting for him was the best way to vote against Khamenei & Ahmadinehjad. Many of the protesters really want to be rid of the whole Islamist regime. Mousavi is not leading this protest, but he is trying to ride with it. Rafsanjani, the leading mullah supporting Mousavi is well hated by the people for his corruption. The people have no desire to see him as Supreme Leader either.
| 891 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:45:13am |
Can you imagine Obama saying this? Sarkozy: Burqas not welcome in France
"The burqa is not a religious sign, it's a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement - I want to say it solemnly," he said. "It will not be welcome on the territory of the French Republic."
| 892 |
jcm Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:45:46am |
re: #876 BlueCanuck
High tech has it's place, but most people forget to plan for low tech solutions. Best line was from the movie "D.A.R.Y.L.".
General Graycliffe: A child with a stick of chewing gum has just rendered your hundred million dollars of hardware useless.
September 6, 2002
Wake-up call
In the first few days of the exercise, using surprise and unorthodox tactics, the wily 64-year-old Vietnam veteran sank most of the US expeditionary fleet in the Persian Gulf, bringing the US assault to a halt. What happened next will be familiar to anyone who ever played soldiers in the playground. Faced with an abrupt and embarrassing end to the most expensive and sophisticated military exercise in US history, the Pentagon top brass simply pretended the whole thing had not happened. They ordered their dead troops back to life and "refloated" the sunken fleet. Then they instructed the enemy forces to look the other way as their marines performed amphibious landings. Eventually, Van Riper got so fed up with all this cheating that he refused to play any more. Instead, he sat on the sidelines making abrasive remarks until the three-week war game - grandiosely entitled Millennium Challenge - staggered to a star-spangled conclusion on August 15, with a US "victory".
| 893 |
quickjustice Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:46:14am |
re: #887 johnnyreb
Right now, there are Obama economists preaching the gospel of "positive psychology", i.e., the economy will get better if people believe it's getting better. There's some truth in that, but not enough to counter bad economic and spending decisions by the Administration, including the auto bailouts, and the corruption of the bankruptcy system to put the workers in charge of the companies. That's good socialism (labor controlling the means of production, but it's not good management.)
| 894 |
MacDuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:46:24am |
re: #886 yma o hyd
"we're not afraid of death, we fear living"
One of the most moving statements I've read; it chills me to the bone.
Thanks for all of these twitter updates, it's appreciated more than you know!
| 895 |
J.S. Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:46:28am |
re: #866 Occasional Reader
I watched that CNN program , with Fareed Zakaria as host -- it was depressing, actually. The panel of experts, all Iranian, were in agreement on several points --- that Iran is a religious country; the opposition (Mousavi and his supporters) are not "revolutionary" (they don't want to dispose of the current regime -- merely "reform" it); and they're anti-American...
| 896 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:47:13am |
re: #891 Creeping Eruption
Let the carbeques resume in earnest? That's not going to sit well with the Islamists in the banlieues.
| 897 |
avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:47:33am |
re: #891 Creeping Eruption
Can you imagine Obama saying this? Sarkozy: Burqas not welcome in France
It would be unconstitutional for him to do so, just saying.
| 898 |
quickjustice Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:47:51am |
Obama's historical legacy on Iran, being written right now: "And America sat silent, fearing to offend tyrants."
| 899 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:48:19am |
re: #894 MacDuff
One of the most moving statements I've read; it chills me to the bone.
Thanks for all of these twitter updates, it's appreciated more than you know!
I'm more than happy to post these tweets - and yes, that statement is deeply chilling, and deeply saddening.
What must Iran be like, when young people say things like that?
And it is miles away, in sentiment, from the chant of the hamasthug suicide bombers!
| 900 |
schnapp Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:48:49am |
re: #897 avanti
re: #891 Creeping Eruption
Can you imagine Obama saying this? Sarkozy: Burqas not welcome in France
It would be unconstitutional for him to do so, just saying.
Not to say it.
| 901 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:49:31am |
'RTTweets calling 4 violence most prob gov spies. Keep 2 principles of peaceful protest #iranelection'
(StopAhamdi, my emphasis)
| 902 |
lawhawk Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:49:59am |
re: #895 J.S.
None of these so-called experts saw the rigged elections coming, despite the fact that the regime was heading in that direction. Take what they have to say with a grain of salt. Besides, the more the regime attempts to crack down, the more people will see that reforming the political system is not the answer, but starting something new in its stead.
The Rubicon was crossed when Khamenei insisted that Ahmadinejad was the legitimate winner even before all the votes were cast and despite the irregularities that are in fact wholesale voter fraud.
| 903 |
quickjustice Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:50:03am |
re: #899 yma o hyd
How many lizards still believe that the Iranian people are anti-American? Where did these principles: freedom and democracy, come from?
| 904 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:50:15am |
'BBC Persia 180 journalists in Iran released statement sayin they cnt do their job due 2 govt restrictions #iranelection'
(StopAhamdi)
| 905 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:50:25am |
re: #881 Spare O'Lake
Yes, read my re: #858
Ahmadinejad has ramped up the support for Hezbollah, Hamas & the Muslim Brotherhood as a way to pressure the Sunni regimes and increase their influence in the Arab world. That is in contrast to the traditional Iranian view, which is that they don't really care about Israel or the Palestinians.
| 906 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:52:00am |
re: #870 avanti
Bookmark this one too. Many voters will overlook even policy flaws from a POTUS they like. Take JFK for example, if you remove the Camelot factor, what were the major accomplishments of his administration ?
Nope, just interested in your original comment. Thanks for the answer.
| 907 |
Buck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:52:23am |
re: #456 Kenneth
Good morning folks, hot & humid day in Toronto... a perfect day a... Garbage Strike! Yesiree, 24,000 city employees are out on strike to defend their precious right to 18 bankable sick-days per year.
My employer gives me 4 sick days but if I don't use them in a year, I cannot roll them over to the next year. I thought that was ok.
Meanwhile, the city is nearly bankrupt, property taxes are getting jacked up and just in time for the summer, city run pools & parks are being closed. Still that's all worth it so I can continue to fund the 18 bankable sick-days per year for the union employees. I wouldn't want to live in a city that can't afford that!
////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////////////////////////////////////////
Last year it was Vancouver with the garbage strike. Winnipeg looks better and better...
| 908 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:53:04am |
re: #903 quickjustice
How many lizards still believe that the Iranian people are anti-American? Where did these principles: freedom and democracy, come from?
I have seen many polls over the years in which most of the people of Iran (but not all) declared themselves very pro-American.
| 909 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:53:05am |
'8:15
police conflicts & use of tear gas in front of Jaam-e-Jam as well
8:17
Basij crawling around haft-tir Sq
8:20
people:If my silence so shakes the dictator to his core, then what will my OUTCRIES do?
8:21
180 journalists issued an statement re government pressure stopping them from reporting
8:25
Laleh Park and Shiroudi Stadium have become the command center to organize anti-riot police and plain clothes'
[Link: shooresh1917.blogspot.com...]
| 910 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:53:28am |
| 911 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:53:31am |
re: #892 jcm
Reminds me of a story. Back in the mid 80's we would get call outs to train with the regular force and go to Norway for a NATO exercise. Winter training and warfare. The Canadians were put on the invasion point to defend. Well the exercise had to be restarted because the Canadian regiment massacared the enemy force. The American unit and Canadian unit was switched and things went they way they were "supposed" to.
| 912 |
avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:53:57am |
re: #900 schnapp
Not to say it.
Technically, it's his free speech right, but would not be wise to support regulating religious clothing by singling out just one faith and giving Amish, Jews and others a pass.
| 913 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:54:44am |
re: #897 avanti
It would be unconstitutional for him to do so, just saying.
He could simply say that the burqa is a symbol of Islamist repression of women and thus Un-American. That would be lawful, but he will never do that. Nicholas Sarkozy has political courage, Barack Obama has none.
| 914 |
avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:54:53am |
re: #906 Walter L. Newton
Nope, just interested in your original comment. Thanks for the answer.
Glad you found it insightful.
| 915 |
BlueCanuck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:55:10am |
re: #907 Buck
Last year it was Vancouver with the garbage strike. Winnipeg looks better and better...
All I have to say is Portage and Main, 50 below.
| 916 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:55:27am |
re: #912 avanti
Technically, it's his free speech right, but would not be wise to support regulating religious clothing by singling out just one faith and giving Amish, Jews and others a pass.
The point was not to get into a Constitutional debate. The point was to show how a world leader need not be constrained by spineless diplo-talk on issues of importance. Exhibit A - Sarkozy. Exhibit B - Obama.
| 917 |
J.S. Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:55:49am |
re: #902 lawhawk
Yeah....Maybe Khamenei really backed himself into a corner when he made that claim that the vote for Ahmadinejad was a kind of "divine" decree...or endorsed by Allah (as a "religious" leader making such a statement, how can he now back down? say, "oops?" it calls into question his religious authority..)
| 918 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:55:54am |
re: #910 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I'm not so optimistic. Even if the regime does fail we aren't certain what's going to follow. Anything could happen at this point.
| 919 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:56:05am |
re: #897 avanti
It would be unconstitutional for him to do so, just saying.
I agree (and don't completely agree with Sarkozy on this one) but the underlying question still remains.
| 920 |
Golem Akbar Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:56:10am |
re: #827 BlueCanuck
Not to go out on a limburgher, but are you sure about that?
Seems to be a bit of wining and cheesing on this thread.
| 921 |
Dianna Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:57:07am |
re: #918 Killgore Trout
I'm not so optimistic. Even if the regime does fail we aren't certain what's going to follow. Anything could happen at this point.
That is the problem with revolution.
However, the current state of affairs makes me extraordinarily unhappy.
| 922 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:57:45am |
re: #912 avanti
Technically, it's his free speech right, but would not be wise to support regulating religious clothing by singling out just one faith and giving Amish, Jews and others a pass.
Radical Islam poses a unique threat and so may be singled out. Amish and Jews do not mount terrorist attacks in this country.
| 923 |
nyc redneck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:57:53am |
re: #891 Creeping Eruption
Can you imagine Obama saying this? Sarkozy: Burqas not welcome in France
in western countries the burqua is often worn strictly as an in your face political statement. iirc there is nothing in the koran that requires a woman to completely hide herself. the concept of modesty has been used to really oppress women in islamic countries and now everywhere.
sarkozy is such a pleasant surprise. his courage to make this statement will befuddle o. who can't find any reason to criticize the ropma.
| 924 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:58:15am |
I was thwarted in my desire to do a special Father's Day avatar by a small accident to the other computer. I log on to Facebook this morning, and what do I see? My little sister had changed her profile picture to a special Father's Day picture.
Mocked, I tell you, mocked!
Oh well, I had the read thing here last night for ribs, biscuit, and pie.
| 925 |
Buck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:58:24am |
re: #915 BlueCanuck
All I have to say is Portage and Main, 50 below.
Sure, but now there is a huge mall under that intersection. You cross the street UNDERGROUND. Many people who work downtown can park their cars in underground parkades and walk to work...indoors.
Anyway...the -50C keeps the mosquitoes at bay...
| 926 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:58:24am |
re: #917 J.S.
Yeah....Maybe Khamenei really backed himself into a corner when he made that claim that the vote for Ahmadinejad was a kind of "divine" decree...or endorsed by Allah (as a "religious" leader making such a statement, how can he now back down? say, "oops?" it calls into question his religious authority..)
Spot on!
according to several independent tweets, Khameini will take this week's Friday Prayers as well - which led Jim Sciutto from ABC to tweet that this doesn't look good for Khamenei ...
| 927 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:59:10am |
re: #924 EmmmieG
pimf real, not read...
| 928 |
nyc redneck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 8:59:30am |
re: #893 quickjustice
Right now, there are Obama economists preaching the gospel of "positive psychology", i.e., the economy will get better if people believe it's getting better. There's some truth in that, but not enough to counter bad economic and spending decisions by the Administration, including the auto bailouts, and the corruption of the bankruptcy system to put the workers in charge of the companies. That's good socialism (labor controlling the means of production, but it's not good management.)
o is nothing but a cult leader w/ the requisite mumbo jumbo.
| 929 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:00:12am |
re: #916 Creeping Eruption
The point was not to get into a Constitutional debate. The point was to show how a world leader need not be constrained by spineless diplo-talk on issues of importance. Exhibit A - Sarkozy. Exhibit B - Obama.
I wish we switch heads of state with France. We get Sarkozy, a leader fitting the American temperament, they get Obama, a "leader" suited to the French temperament.
| 930 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:00:21am |
re: #918 Killgore Trout
I'm not so optimistic. Even if the regime does fail we aren't certain what's going to follow. Anything could happen at this point.
Both parts are absolutely true. I don't think the regime will collapse promptly just because mullahs are in the street. (Look at Vietnam under Diem. It took a while.) And we do have NO idea what will come out if this.
| 931 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:01:22am |
re: #928 nyc redneck
o is nothing but a cult leader w/ the requisite mumbo jumbo.
| 932 |
avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:01:30am |
re: #913 Dark_Falcon
He could simply say that the burqa is a symbol of Islamist repression of women and thus Un-American. That would be lawful, but he will never do that. Nicholas Sarkozy has political courage, Barack Obama has none.
I respectfully disagree, it's not up to a POTUS to decide what religious clothing symbolizes, it's not his constitutional responsibility.
| 933 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:01:31am |
Now this is very interesting...
Iranian clerics seek supreme leader alternative
Rafsanjani's family members arrested after deadly protests
Religious leaders are considering an alternative to the supreme leader structure after at least 13 people were killed in the latest unrest to shake Tehran and family members of former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, were arrested amid calls by former President Mohammad Khatami for the release of all protesters.
Iran's religious clerics in Qom and members of the Assembly of Experts, headed by Ayatollah Rafsanjani, are mulling the formation of an alternative collective leadership to replace that of the supreme leader, sources in Qom told Al Arabiya on condition of anonymity.
Five family members of Rafsanjani, one of Iran's most powerful men, were arrested at rallies on Saturday, including his eldest daughter Faezeh Hashemi, but released later.
The influential Rafsanjani, 57, heads two very powerful groups. The most important one is the Assembly of Experts, made up of senior clerics who can elect and dismiss the supreme leader. The second is the Expediency Council, a body that arbitrates disputes between parliament and the unelected Guardian Council, which can block legislation.
Members of the assembly are reportedly considering forming a collective ruling body and scrapping the model of Ayatollah Khomeini as a way out of the civil crisis that has engulfed Tehran in a series of protests,
The discussions have taken place in a series of secret meetings convened in the holy city of Qom and included Jawad al-Shahristani, the supreme representative of Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who is the foremost Shiite leader in Iraq.
An option being considered is the resignation of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as Iran's president following condemnation by the United States and other European nations for violence and human rights violations against unarmed protestors.Rafsanjani issued no statements following Khamenei's speech last Friday in which the supreme leader praised him along side Ahmadinejad as Iran's new president.
The moderate Khatami called Sunday for the immediate release of protesters arrested in the country since June 13, saying their release could "calm the situation in the country," the semi-official Mehr news agency reported.
Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani of Iraq is involved in these negotiations. That would be the liberated, democratic Republic of Iraq delivering some blow-back on the Iranian mullahs. Thank you President Bush.
| 934 |
J.S. Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:01:33am |
re: #903 quickjustice
I wouldn't say all are anti-American. A good number (maybe a sizeable number here?) really don't like the United States. On that Fareed program, the Iranians on the panel were reminding viewers that Iranians have a "long memory" -- and it goes back to the 50s and the CIA involvement in that overthrow of that socialist who wanted to nationalize the oil fields; then there's the 1979 Revolution; then there's the current situation in which they believe the United States is attempting to act "like a dictator" in assisting that Iran put the kabosh on its development of nuclear weapons. etc. etc.
| 935 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:01:51am |
'The doctor who helped Neda is also a friend of Paulo Coelho '
(StopAhamdi) - and here is the link:
My best friend in Iran, a doctor who showed me its beautiful culture when I visited Teheran in 2000, who fought a war in the name of the Islamic Republic (against Iraq), who took care of wounded soldiers in the frontline, who always stood by real human values, is seen here trying to resuscitate Neda - hit in her heart.
| 936 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:02:21am |
re: #921 Dianna
How's the other ... "current state of affairs"?
/just curious, and thoughts are with you
| 937 |
jcm Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:02:48am |
re: #897 avanti
It would be unconstitutional for him to do so, just saying.
Sarkozy may have the authority to do so... French Law on freedom of religion.
The Republic assures freedom of conscience. It guarantees the free exercise of religious worship under the sole restrictions hereafter in the interest of public order.
| 938 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:03:24am |
re: #929 Dark_Falcon
I wish we switch heads of state with France. We get Sarkozy, a leader fitting the American temperament, they get Obama, a "leader" suited to the French temperament.
HEH!
| 939 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:03:36am |
Great article:
If people were free to choose, they would choose to be free
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
...In full view of the world, people in Iran are turning out in their millions to protest against the flagrant disregard for their will, their desire, their overwhelming need to be freer than they are.
And the parts of the left who have so far, so singly failed to live up to their duty of internationalism with the murdered and maimed trade unionists, socialists, feminists and other dissenters against this Iranian regime, are faced with a very real choice, one which will tell us everything we need to know about their commitment to a truly universal struggle against global injustice.
That choice may be academic – it will have no material impact on their lives here in the West; it may make little difference to those clamouring for their rights in the streets of Tehran, but it is a choice as clear as crystal: Do they join the calls for gender equality and greater personal freedom, or do they support a theocratic, deeply conservative regime?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:03:56am |
re: #905 Kenneth
Yes, read my re: #858
Ahmadinejad has ramped up the support for Hezbollah, Hamas & the Muslim Brotherhood as a way to pressure the Sunni regimes and increase their influence in the Arab world. That is in contrast to the traditional Iranian view, which is that they don't really care about Israel or the Palestinians.
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini was anti-Israel and anti-US. Virulently.
| 942 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:04:11am |
re: #932 avanti
I respectfully disagree, it's not up to a POTUS to decide what religious clothing symbolizes, it's not his constitutional responsibility.
Then we disagree. Not the first time, won't be the last. Civil discourse means we keep it civil, and we do. Doesn't mean we agree (though you already know that).
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:04:20am |
re: #932 avanti
I respectfully disagree, it's not up to a POTUS to decide what religious clothing symbolizes, it's not his constitutional responsibility.
Of course, it IS his constitutional responsibility to "fight against negative stereotypes of Islam, wherever they may appear."
/
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:04:35am |
re: #932 avanti
I respectfully disagree, it's not up to a POTUS to decide what religious clothing symbolizes, it's not his constitutional responsibility.
Gee, but I wonder, would it be ok if he made a statement that he personally believes it symbolizes Islamist repression of women?
Being president doesn't preclude a person from having a personal opinion, a moral compass, a belief in right versus wrong.
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yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:04:56am |
re: #930 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Both parts are absolutely true. I don't think the regime will collapse promptly just because mullahs are in the street. (Look at Vietnam under Diem. It took a while.) And we do have NO idea what will come out if this.
Absolutely.
I'm thinking of Yeltsin facing up to the 'revolutionaries' who wanted to dispose Gorbachev ...
On the political side, thats what might happen in iran, the long, slow, death of the IRI.
But tehre are no guarantees - and the mass protests all over the country may yet bring another outcome, which is not necessarily that we all wish for ...
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Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:05:10am |
re: #929 Dark_Falcon
I wish we switch heads of state with France. We get Sarkozy, a leader fitting the American temperament, they get Obama, a "leader" suited to the French temperament.
And in the bargain, we get Carla (rrrAAAArrr), they got "Biceps of Steel" Michelle. I like it.
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avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:06:01am |
re: #922 Dark_Falcon
Radical Islam poses a unique threat and so may be singled out. Amish and Jews do not mount terrorist attacks in this country.
You can't single out one religion for restriction of dress even if part of that faith is radical.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:06:04am |
re: #933 Kenneth
Now this is very interesting...
Iranian clerics seek supreme leader alternative
Rafsanjani's family members arrested after deadly protests
Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani of Iraq is involved in these negotiations. That would be the liberated, democratic Republic of Iraq delivering some blow-back on the Iranian mullahs. Thank you President Bush.
And means that this involves the core leadership of Shi'a Islam, not just the Iranians.
| 949 |
nyc redneck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:06:06am |
re: #929 Dark_Falcon
I wish we switch heads of state with France. We get Sarkozy, a leader fitting the American temperament, they get Obama, a "leader" suited to the French temperament.
perfect.
i'd take sarkozy in a heart beat over the 'poseur.'
| 950 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:06:10am |
re: #846 MandyManners
I might have to dill it back a bit.
I always wondered - is dill bread made from dill dough?
| 951 |
yma o hyd Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:06:17am |
re: #933 Kenneth
That is not just very interesting - that is kind of 'wow'!
| 952 |
MacDuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:06:19am |
re: #929 Dark_Falcon
I wish we switch heads of state with France. We get Sarkozy, a leader fitting the American temperament, they get Obama, a "leader" suited to the French temperament.
What a refreshing fantasy! Did you ever think you would see the day when you would harbor such thaoughts? Yeah, me neither.
| 953 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:06:21am |
re: #941 schnapp
Crazy world.
And how. Patriotic Americans envying the leader the French have. Welcome to Bizzaro World.
| 954 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:07:08am |
re: #950 Mad Al-Jaffee
I always wondered - is dill bread made from dill dough?
Don't joke. I used to work in a bakery where wee sold a DIll bread. Inevitably, a new employee when describing how it was made, would reference that it is made from dill dough.
| 955 |
nyc redneck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:07:38am |
my boyfriend is subbing for rush today.
:D
(mark steyn)
| 956 |
Dianna Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:07:39am |
re: #936 pre-Boomer Marine brat
How's the other ... "current state of affairs"?
/just curious, and thoughts are with you
I'm not sure.
| 957 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:07:47am |
re: #897 avanti
It would be unconstitutional for him to do so, just saying.
There would be nothing unconstitutional about Obama expressing his opinion on the matter. The constitutional question would arise if he were try to enforce it.
| 958 |
MacDuff Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:09:10am |
re: #944 Walter L. Newton
Being president doesn't preclude a person from having a personal opinion, a moral compass, a belief in right versus wrong.
Uh, Walter, maybe Obama didn't get that memo.......
| 959 |
schnapp Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:09:10am |
France is different to the US. European countries have their own traditions and cultures and they feel overwhelmed in many places by the spread of Islam. The US is like a big cultural mix. Its national identity is its diversity. Sarkozy can get away with it in France. He wouldn't get away with it in most places in the US.
| 960 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:10:00am |
Movement Seeks to Eliminate 'Supreme Leader' Position
Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani in 2007 made two very critical statements: that "I am a servant of all Iraqis, there is no difference between a Sunni, a Shiite or a Kurd or a Christian," and that Islam can exist within a democracy without theological conflict. You will never hear such words slip past the lips of Iran's Ayatollah Khamenei. Ever.Sistani's presence at the Rafsanjani talks in Qom, Iran, through a representative brings therefore added significance. And the al-Arabiya report above seems to suggest that Rafsanjani is not seeking Sistani's support for superficial reasons.
In November 2007 at National Review Online, I wrote about this aspect of Ayatollah Ali Sistani, including a reference to another analysis I had written earlier in the spring.
In fact, what exists is a deep rivalry between the revolutionary Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khameini and the traditionalist Grand Ayatollah Sistani, both claiming authority over the Shi'a faith. While the Khomeinist revolutionary Khameini clearly believes in Shi'a theocracy, the Iraqi Ayatollah Sistani believes that the faith can exist within a democracy without theological conflict. And while the Iranians work to spin the growing Sunni tribal rejection of al-Qaeda as Americans "negotiating with terrorists," Sistani himself has always had open channels of communication with American forces and the Iraqi government.Why does this matter for Iran and Iranians? Pay close attention here, for Iraq's Sistani carries great weight among the Iranian Shi'a faithful.
Sistani's appeal does not end at the Iraqi border, as Iranians increasingly observe his leadership with interest and fondness. Some are "intrigued by the more freewheeling experiment in Shi'ite empowerment taking place across the border in Iraq," which is fundamentally different in approach than the Iranian theocratic brand of dictated observance and obedience. The Boston Globe's Anne Barnard reports that within Tehran's own central bazaar, "an increasing number of merchants are sending their religious donations, a 20 percent tithe expected from all who can spare it, to Iraq's most senior Shi'ite cleric."If that didn't quite sink in, go read that paragraph again. Many Iranian merchants have been sending their 20% tithes to Sistani, not Khamenei. Since at least 2007.
| 961 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:10:15am |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:10:16am |
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:12:17am |
re: #940 Spare O'Lake
That's exactly what I am saying. The Khomeneists have used the anti-Israel issue as a means to expand their influence, in a malevolent way, in the region. Traditional Iranian position ()ie. pre-Khomeinei) is not anti-Israel.
| 965 |
avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:15:30am |
re: #916 Creeping Eruption
The point was not to get into a Constitutional debate. The point was to show how a world leader need not be constrained by spineless diplo-talk on issues of importance. Exhibit A - Sarkozy. Exhibit B - Obama.
So you want a President to speak out with a comment that would go against the concept of freedom of religion when certain expressions of faith seem repressive to us ? Where would that stop, Amish should be able to drive cars, and wear trendy cloths perhaps ?
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soccerdad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:17:09am |
Well, Finally France has a leader with a backbone:
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Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:17:56am |
Because whatever the pasts of Rafsanjani and Mousavi - and they are significantly unpalatable - they appear to be taking on the face of the people, the face of a Revolution. Hizballah and Hamas thugs were brought in by the regime to quell the demonstrators and have killed Iranians in the process. Rafsanjani and Mousavi will have to "dance with who brung ya," and it was not Hamas or Hizballah. The people will have little stomach for supporting those who murdered their sons, daughters, brothers and sisters.
| 968 |
avanti Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:17:59am |
re: #957 Occasional Reader
There would be nothing unconstitutional about Obama expressing his opinion on the matter. The constitutional question would arise if he were try to enforce it.
The fact that I'm defending the idea that the POTUS should support the constitutions protection of freedom of religion on a conservative blog seems odd to me, but I'll drop it.
| 969 |
soccerdad Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:19:14am |
re: #955 nyc redneck
my boyfriend is subbing for rush today.
:D
(mark steyn)
Waaaaay cool. (if he's REALLY your boyfriend) Otherwise, just nice -- I'm a fan of Steyn's
| 970 |
jcm Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:20:23am |
re: #965 avanti
So you want a President to speak out with a comment that would go against the concept of freedom of religion when certain expressions of faith seem repressive to us ? Where would that stop, Amish should be able to drive cars, and wear trendy cloths perhaps ?
French law allows restrictions on religion for public order, Sarkozy is within in bounds of French Law.
Sarkozy has spoken directly to freedom and the rights of the Iranian people, Obama has managed vague and muddle statements.
The Amish can drive cars, they choose not too.
| 971 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:21:09am |
re: #908 Kenneth
I have seen many polls over the years in which most of the people of Iran (but not all) declared themselves very pro-American.
I'm from Missouri on that.
If Moussavi announces that he is pro-American and pro-Israeli he is a dead man. Besides, he isn't.
What the world needs is a full-scale Iranian civil war including a purge of the mullahs and Ahmadinejad, followed by a mop-up operation by coalition forces to pick up the pieces and dismantle the nuke program.
| 972 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:21:25am |
re: #968 avanti
I prefer the constitutionally protected freedom of religion we have in Canada & the US. In my opinion, banning burqas is attempting to treat a symptom (repressive clothing) while ignoring the root problem (radical Islam). It's counter-productive.
| 973 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:23:28am |
re: #957 Occasional Reader
There would be nothing unconstitutional about Obama expressing his opinion on the matter. The constitutional question would arise if he were try to enforce it.
Good point
| 974 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:24:29am |
re: #965 avanti
So you want a President to speak out with a comment that would go against the concept of freedom of religion when certain expressions of faith seem repressive to us ? Where would that stop, Amish should be able to drive cars, and wear trendy cloths perhaps ?
I think you missed the point. It was not about the Constitution. It was not about Religion. It was not about fashion. It was about a leader using unambiguous speech to support a position. That is all.
| 975 |
Kenneth Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:25:14am |
re: #971 Spare O'Lake
True, Mousavi is not pro-American. But Mousavi is not leading this protest. He's being carried along by it. There is a coalition of groups protesting against Ahmadinejad. There are "moderate" Islamists like Mousavi who think they can preserve the Islamic Republic by tweaking the margins of the system. Then there are the pro-Western democrats who want to sweep the whole rotten system into the trash bin of history.
| 976 |
tradewind Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:25:34am |
What recession? Par-tay!
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
| 977 |
nyc redneck Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:40:02am |
re: #969 soccerdad
Waaaaay cool. (if he's REALLY your boyfriend) Otherwise, just nice -- I'm a fan of Steyn's
LOL,
only in my dreams.
| 978 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:40:10am |
re: #947 avanti
You can't single out one religion for restriction of dress even if part of that faith is radical.
Except that we could single out the Moslems for their use of bomb belts.
| 979 |
J.S. Mon, Jun 22, 2009 9:43:52am |
re: #970 jcm
Well, I would argue that Sarkozy is actually upholding the Constitutional laws of France which mandates a policy called "laïcité" (roughly translated as "secularism" or a strict separation of church/state.) Thus, if you're employed by the state, you can't run around wearing religious garb...(to wear religious garb suggests that you're advertising or promoting one religion over another)...(religion is considered a strictly private matter)...(this, in turn, arises from France's history -- as I'm sure you're aware -- all those wars between Catholics and Protestants, etc.)
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