Published in August 1968, here’s issue #1 of The Silver Surfer, a 25-cent “book-length” comic that told the story of the super-powered goofy-footed silvery alien’s origin. The Lizard Collection’s copy of this key comic book is in terrific shape (with some minor wear along the upper spine). Inks are clear and bright, and pages are white/off-white and completely uncreased and unmarbled.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:00:15pm |
Surfing USA? The comics are a lot of fun, I hope you are enjoying them more than we are!
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darthstar Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:02:43pm |
He was gofy-footed...I can't stand those people...they're always stepping on other people's skis.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:03:39pm |
re: #2 darthstar
Goofy footed, perhaps?
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darthstar Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:07:44pm |
re: #4 Floral Giraffe
Goofy footed, perhaps?
The hazards of one-hand typing while trying to give one's wife a foot-rub. Hence 'gofy'.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:08:15pm |
re: #5 darthstar
The hazards of one-hand typing while trying to give one's wife a foot-rub. Hence 'gofy'.
Foot rubs? Available here???
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Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:09:03pm |
Surfing is so ho-daddy lame these days.
An updated comic would feature "WindUpBird the Windy Windsurfer" or "Soap Man the Slippery Snowboarder".
Rock that shit.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:09:47pm |
re: #7 Cato the Elder
Surfing is so ho-daddy lame these days.
An updated comic would feature "WindUpBird the Windy Windsurfer" or "Soap Man the Slippery Snowboarder".
Rock that shit.
I'd buy that art.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:12:12pm |
Updated and expanded!
Press release from Fox.
Dear real Americans,
The progressive left has once again used their domination of the media to unfairly smear our fair and balanced reporting of today's most crucial issues.
We here at Fox, know what real American values are. We understand that the average American is rightly enraged at the advances of international communism in this nation and the fact that our battle is so hard fought. We have true faith though that this great Christian nation will push past these dark times and revitalize the clean, unstained America that our forefathers meant for us when they founded this great Christian Nation.
We will bring you the truth of how great and good Christian men like Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Reagan fought to keep our nation safe from all pollution - be it the perverse ideas of foreigners or the domestic enemies that are so much more dangerous.
We understand that the progressives are winning this fight. They have put one of their own in the White House. The great founders might weep that an atheist communist Muslim foreigner is in their vaunted house of freedom, but we can not editorialize on that. We only report the facts and leave it to you, the viewer to decide if you still want America as it should be. The progressives may have stained the airwaves and our government with their endless lies and slurs against us but we shall stay above the fray and only report the nes that all good Americans need to hear.
We know that we are in a difficult battle against many forces. The liberal elite is called elite for a reason. They control the airwaves and they control the academic institutions of this nation. They control the scientists and they use the greatest hoax in human history, so called, Global Warming, to scare the good people of America into accepting yet more freedoms taken from them as they march our great nation towards a one world socialist state where Jesus will be outlawed and good clean Americans will be herded into slave camps. But we can not editorialize on that either. We only report the facts in a fair and balanced way and let you, the loyal American viewer decide. We ask the tough questions like, was Obama really born in Kenya? Does he want to take away fishing rights? How soon will he turn America over to an evil one world government run by international bankers? Is it true that he smokes around old ladies on respirators so that they will die more quickly. It is true that he wnts to take away your God gven right to smoke? We promise to never pollute your airwaves with filthy progressive propaganda.
Therefore we have taken as a model the information distribution of other great freedom fighters in the past who understood the dangers of world communism and the threat of polluting liberal and alien agents in one's own homeland. We do not editorialize we only point out the rat infestation that is so obvious to us all - that sickening, eternal rat infestation aided by unclean people of questionable backgrounds and aided and abetted by those self hating traitors to America who teach filth to our children in our schools and universities. We will bring you this news quickly and fairly to all sides. We will use the best investigative techniques. We will let you, the viewer, decide if you want to save America.
Fox proudly announces that we are the:
Volksministerium für das Wohl des Volkes"
Which means in God's tongue, English,
The people's ministry for the good of the people.
We are Fox "Volksministerium für das Wohl des Volkes" News!
We are on your side America!
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:13:46pm |
re: #7 Cato the Elder
LOL!
Friends growing up surfed "the wedge" in Newport Beach. An evil shorebreak, coupled with a man made jetty (think dropped granite boulder to break your neck on). Still a very steep break & a nice, fast, short ride. Surfline dot com frequently sets up a surf cam when the Wedge is breaking big. Usually a south swell.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:14:37pm |
re: #9 LudwigVanQuixote
Can you shorten that? It's got too many words for me to read.
TIA!
///
/must I?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:15:24pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:16:18pm |
Oh and Fox "Volksministerium für das Wohl des Volkes" News,
To add to the dirty rebuffs in ancient languages that you won't be able to translate...
Kus Emek!
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:16:42pm |
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darthstar Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:17:01pm |
re: #6 Floral Giraffe
Foot rubs? Available here???
That all depends...do you have your feet up on my lap right now? I only see one pair, and I do love them very much.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:17:38pm |
re: #15 darthstar
That all depends...do you have your feet up on my lap right now? I only see one pair, and I do love them very much.
You could talk us through it.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:18:41pm |
Let us not forget: Lefties are still douchebags too....
Wikileaks Video Revisited: What Needs To Happen Now
I want someone on Capitol Hill to give a shit.
So far (and I've done a bit of calling around) I haven't heard any member of Congress express any intention of holding an oversight hearing into the matter -- or even asking any questions at all.
They seem utterly uncurious about how exactly it was OK for a bloodthirsty-sounding helicopter crewman to open fire on a group of (apparently) armed men when all they were doing was milling around on a street corner -- not to mention how it was OK to target the Good Samaritan van driver who pulled over to help one of the injured men. (He was killed; his two small children were wounded.)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:19:08pm |
re: #11 Floral Giraffe
Can you shorten that? It's got too many words for me to read.
TIA!
///
/must I?
Well, I actually think it is some of my best writing.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:19:30pm |
re: #7 Cato the Elder
Surfing is so ho-daddy lame these days.
An updated comic would feature "WindUpBird the Windy Windsurfer" or "Soap Man the Slippery Snowboarder".
Rock that shit.
Or "Cato the Incorrigible Codger"...that's a super-hero I can believe in.
/ - only because it's redundant.
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EastSider Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:20:06pm |
Trivia question for the group:
What do you call something that has nothing to do with Elephants?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:20:35pm |
re: #20 EastSider
Trivia question for the group:
What do you call something that has nothing to do with Elephants?
A democrat?
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darthstar Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:21:21pm |
re: #20 EastSider
Trivia question for the group:
What do you call something that has nothing to do with Elephants?
A Republican?
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:21:23pm |
re: #20 EastSider
Trivia question for the group:
What do you call something that has nothing to do with Elephants?
Hope!
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:22:14pm |
re: #18 LudwigVanQuixote
I'm sure it is! Just pulling your leg!
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darthstar Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:22:37pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:22:52pm |
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EastSider Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:23:19pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:24:30pm |
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darthstar Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:24:54pm |
re: #31 EastSider
its winning the ding war, by my count, and by my ding.
And I've only got one friggin' ding for 'Republican?' Given the fact that elephants are intelligent, have good memories, and don't have a mean bone in their body, I'd have to say I was the first to have the correct answer.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:25:17pm |
re: #7 Cato the Elder
Surfing is so ho-daddy lame these days.
An updated comic would feature "WindUpBird the Windy Windsurfer" or "Soap Man the Slippery Snowboarder".
Rock that shit.
Here's the Google-ishious link for "Roman on a surfboard".
It's YOU!
[Link: www.google.com...]
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:25:19pm |
So far I think Windisagio is winning with "good governance."
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:26:04pm |
re: #20 EastSider
Trivia question for the group:
What do you call something that has nothing to do with Elephants?
Second try...
Truth, tolerance and science.
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EastSider Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:26:36pm |
re: #36 LudwigVanQuixote
So far I think Windisagio is winning with "good governance."
i don't even have the best answer to a question that I asked.
NOW I feel like a Republican.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:26:43pm |
re: #34 darthstar
Lizards have their ways. Sometimes the dings go up, sometimes they go down. WHAT, you wanted to win a toaster???
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windsagio Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:27:20pm |
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darthstar Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:28:25pm |
re: #19 darthstar
Or "Cato the Incorrigible Codger"...that's a super-hero I can believe in.
/ - only because it's redundant.
Aw, fuck...sorry Cato. That was probably over the line. I did, however, mean 'incorrigible codger' in the most posative sense possible. Just so you know.
(I even misspelled a word above so you could correct me. Consider it a peace offering...hint: it begins with the letter p)
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ryannon Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:28:40pm |
re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote
That is a fantastic reference!
Thank you. It was the first thing that came to mind.
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windsagio Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:29:20pm |
need to wait for the middle of hte night so I can be awful
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Kragar Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:29:51pm |
Something very relaxing about starting on a new modelling project.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:31:47pm |
re: #35 Floral Giraffe
Here's the Google-ishious link for "Roman on a surfboard".
It's YOU!
[Link: www.google.com...]
LOVE the kookaburra with a surfboard!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:33:22pm |
OK 20 Ludwig points for anyone who can translate
Kus Emek!
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Kragar Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:34:31pm |
re: #47 LudwigVanQuixote
OK 20 Ludwig points for anyone who can translate
Kus Emek!
Your mother's vag
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ryannon Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:34:39pm |
re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote
That is a fantastic reference!
Coda:
"History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake."
- James Joyce, Ulysses
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swamprat Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:35:00pm |
re: #47 LudwigVanQuixote
OK 20 Ludwig points for anyone who can translate
Kus Emek!
The jamaican word is "s****".
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:35:41pm |
re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Your mother's vag
Close 15 points it's a bit more vulgar, think the c word.
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Kragar Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:36:34pm |
re: #52 LudwigVanQuixote
Close 15 points it's a bit more vulgar, think the c word.
I was avoiding using that word.
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swamprat Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:38:02pm |
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Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:39:10pm |
re: #41 darthstar
Aw, fuck...sorry Cato. That was probably over the line. I did, however, mean 'incorrigible codger' in the most posative sense possible. Just so you know.
(I even misspelled a word above so you could correct me. Consider it a peace offering...hint: it begins with the letter p)
Meh. No offense taken at all.
I would just substitute "curmudgeon" for "codger" and all's well.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:40:01pm |
re: #56 Cato the Elder
Meh. No offense taken at all.
I would just substitute "curmudgeon" for "codger" and all's well.
Well you are that crumudgeon maximus.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:40:41pm |
re: #56 Cato the Elder
Meh. No offense taken at all.
I would just substitute "curmudgeon" for "codger" and all's well.
And thank you for your help with the German the other night.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:43:10pm |
re: #56 Cato the Elder
How is my favorite old Roman this evening? And the fabulous Jindoo?
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Lidane Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:43:53pm |
What an utterly charming fellow:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
And here's a photo of the truck in question:
[Link: www.vosizneias.com...]
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:44:09pm |
re: #56 Cato the Elder
Meh. No offense taken at all.
I would just substitute "curmudgeon" for "codger" and all's well.
Also, do you like this alternative for Fox...
Fox damnant quodnon intelligunt News.
And did I get that right? It has been a while.
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simoom Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:52:31pm |
CNN's AC360° blog from tonight:
Latest 'birther' move: A good idea or a waste of time?
On Monday, the Arizona House voted Monday by a 31-22 margin to require all presidential candidates to prove they were born in the United States in order to meet the constitutional requirement. The measure still has to be considered by the Arizona state Senate before it can become law.White House aides are scoffing at the move, which would force President Obama to show his birth certificate to get on the state's ballot in 2012 for his likely re-election battle.
What do you think? Is this a legitimate idea or a waste of time? Let us know!
They did their typical either-or/both-sides-of-the-issue; they didn't bother to state the facts of the President's birth; and they imply that the President is resisting proving his citizenship and hasn't already done so.
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freetoken Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:53:34pm |
re: #61 LudwigVanQuixote
Regarding Fox News, you really didn't need to go through the work of creating a fictional piece, you could have cut and pasted from FoxNews and FoxNation articles and it would have been worse!
Right now on FoxNation one of their leading articles is called "Rep. Cleaver: America's Fossil Fuel Use 'Sinful'". Recommend you just listen to the recording before reading the comments, then scroll through the comments. The discontinuity is overwhelming. I call FoxNation a hate site because it is - just as bad as VDARE or the freepers.
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Kragar Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:54:42pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:56:13pm |
I'm very tired, so I'm going to turn in. Goodnight, all.
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Lidane Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:56:56pm |
re: #62 simoom
They did their typical either-or/both-sides-of-the-issue
Which is precisely why I can't stand CNN. Give me the Beeb any day.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:57:37pm |
re: #63 freetoken
Regarding Fox News, you really didn't need to go through the work of creating a fictional piece, you could have cut and pasted from FoxNews and FoxNation articles and it would have been worse!
Right now on FoxNation one of their leading articles is called "Rep. Cleaver: America's Fossil Fuel Use 'Sinful'". Recommend you just listen to the recording before reading the comments, then scroll through the comments. The discontinuity is overwhelming. I call FoxNation a hate site because it is - just as bad as VDARE or the freepers.
It is a hate site. I mistakenly went there probably a year ago when there was something about FLOTUS. Unbelievable, vile and not moderated. I spewed some screaming disbelief & left, never to return. Gretawire, back then was similar. Haven't checked to see if it improved.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:58:00pm |
re: #63 freetoken
Regarding Fox News, you really didn't need to go through the work of creating a fictional piece, you could have cut and pasted from FoxNews and FoxNation articles and it would have been worse!
Right now on FoxNation one of their leading articles is called "Rep. Cleaver: America's Fossil Fuel Use 'Sinful'". Recommend you just listen to the recording before reading the comments, then scroll through the comments. The discontinuity is overwhelming. I call FoxNation a hate site because it is - just as bad as VDARE or the freepers.
True that!
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Escaped Hillbilly Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:59:02pm |
re: #60 Lidane
What an utterly charming fellow:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
And here's a photo of the truck in question:
[Link: www.vosizneias.com...]
At least they recalled the plates as soon as they realized. Given some southern states' support of the Confederacy, it's nice to see VA doing the right thing. Too bad they can't recall the moron's driver's license too.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Apr 21, 2010 9:59:17pm |
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freetoken Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:00:46pm |
Many of the links I post in the spin-offs get few hits... but I realize I'm playing to a small crowd most of the time so it doesn't surprise.
Yet I know how to get more hits - put up links to salacious material!
Anyway, I went to check the news wires for items related to "sex" ... and I am overwhelmed by the number of sex-crime related stories. More than I imagined.
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:02:49pm |
re: #60 Lidane
What an utterly charming fellow:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
And here's a photo of the truck in question:
[Link: www.vosizneias.com...]
Heh, if he wants to bash a religion over a single event....
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Escaped Hillbilly Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:02:50pm |
re: #72 freetoken
Why would that surprise you? Have you checked your email SPAM folder lately? Or is that why your nic is smiling? Is that you Bob?
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:03:19pm |
re: #72 freetoken
Many of the links I post in the spin-offs get few hits... but I realize I'm playing to a small crowd most of the time so it doesn't surprise.
Yet I know how to get more hits - put up links to salacious material!
Anyway, I went to check the news wires for items related to "sex" ... and I am overwhelmed by the number of sex-crime related stories. More than I imagined.
I am still a novice with this site. Just saw your "code red" ha!
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:05:15pm |
re: #72 freetoken
You've been busy!
///
I kid!
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freetoken Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:06:56pm |
re: #71 LudwigVanQuixote
MANUFACTURE THE CONTROVERSY - THEN BROADCAST IT!
BUY GOLD!!
Gold slips...
PGMs hold but gold slips on euro concerns
But wait, gold is steady...
No no, gold will surge...
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:07:37pm |
re: #77 freetoken
BUY GOLD!!
Gold slips...
PGMs hold but gold slips on euro concerns
But wait, gold is steady...
No no, gold will surge...
RETURN TO THE SEASHELL STANDARD!
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steve Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:08:00pm |
I was 15 and remember buying this one in a mom and pop grocery store on the corner of 39th Street and Columbia. Boy does that bring back some memories.
My friends and I bought a new drink called 'Apple Jack' and let it ferment. Unfortunately the product was pulled with in 15 months when it was found out that you could ferment it.
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freetoken Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:09:20pm |
re: #74 Escaped Hillbilly
I was surprised by the number or articles on sex crimes, not that sex itself would be a popular subject.
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freetoken Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:10:05pm |
re: #75 Stanley Sea
Yeah, I'm thinking from now on my spin-offs should all be sex related.
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:11:52pm |
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:15:35pm |
re: #82 freetoken
Yeah, I'm thinking from now on my spin-offs should all be sex related.
You know what's funny - there's only one comment on the original WaPo article! Only one. (and it was lame)
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freetoken Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:21:14pm |
re: #84 Stanley Sea
Men dominate online news forums... men also avoid that particular subject at all costs.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:22:22pm |
re: #85 freetoken
Men dominate online news forums... men also avoid that particular subject at all costs.
Oh so true.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:29:27pm |
re: #59 Floral Giraffe
How is my favorite old Roman this evening? And the fabulous Jindoo?
The Jindo is thriving - me, I'm stressed. Lots o' work for a change.
Good stress!
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:33:28pm |
re: #87 Cato the Elder
The Jindo is thriving - me, I'm stressed. Lots o' work for a change.
Good stress!
Hooray! Work! It's good for you, or at least for your bank account!
Hangs head in shame for forgetting your dog's name.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:36:43pm |
Check out this question from a Fox correspondent to Robert Gibbs
Goler: "[Obama's] been very much out front in dealing with Muslims abroad. There's some question about whether or not he has been quite so visible at dealing with American Muslims. Do the complaints of birthers and other folks complicate the President's dealing with the American Muslim community?
Gibbs: I have to say, you -- I got to give you credit, Wendell, for getting a lot of crazy people in one question. (Laughter.)
Goler: I hope you're not including me as one of the crazy people. (Laughter.)
after a reiteration of the question
Gibbs: No. We have -- the President has dealt with the crazy Internet rumors for years. I don't think that's deterred anything that he's done in understanding what the right thing is to do for this country and to broaden our relationship with Muslims throughout the world.
Again, I've said this many times, Wendell. If you're -- if after I asked that the President's birth certificate be put on the Internet hasn't dissuaded you from where he was being born, I'm almost positive that no argument is somehow going to dissuade you from that. I don't -- I got to tell you, I don't -- we don't spend a lot of time here worrying about what to do about people that don't think the President was born here. I don't -- again, I'm the guy who said "put the birth certificate on the Internet." It has apparently, among those people, dissuaded virtually none of them.
I have to say nothing, in my political memory compares to this birther bullshit staying mainstream. (the day people aren't here to freak out on the Muslim part of the question so I'll just let that be)
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:36:55pm |
Good night all.
Stay scaly!
Hasta Manana.
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:39:10pm |
"Is it bad that what she just said makes perfect sense to me?"
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Four More Tears Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:43:50pm |
12 minutes of dumb.
Feel free to skip to 2:35 for this gem:
Did you know that President Obama is considering banning fishing?
No. No, I did not know that. I think I need to stock up on bait...
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EastSider Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:47:38pm |
OT:
Charles, if you're looking for some recent Right Wing nut-jobbery, check the comments on this NY Post Article.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:48:54pm |
Anyone still hanging out? OT: Just found out my wife is pregnant.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:49:49pm |
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Four More Tears Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:49:50pm |
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:51:05pm |
re: #97 JasonA
It will be my third, her second. My nerves are still a wreck.
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Four More Tears Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:52:57pm |
re: #98 tnguitarist
It will be my third, her second. My nerves are still a wreck.
Time to get snipped, maybe?
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:53:13pm |
re: #94 tnguitarist
Anyone still hanging out? OT: Just found out my wife is pregnant.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:54:15pm |
re: #98 tnguitarist
It will be my third, her second. My nerves are still a wreck.
Old pro. Have fun!
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:55:22pm |
re: #99 JasonA
This is definitely the last go 'round. It's just been a whil and she had complications last time. We honestly didn't think we could.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:57:43pm |
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simoom Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:57:47pm |
re: #62 simoom
CNN's AC360° blog from tonight:
I'm going to take bake some of my AC360° criticism. I was just looking over tonight's transcript from the show and it looks like they did a segment on the Arizona Birther bill. One of the lawmakers who voted for it, State Representative Cecil Ash, was on and it reads like Anderson Cooper really hammered him:
[Link: transcripts.cnn.com...]
COOPER: I mean, as you said, the certificate of live birth is available for anyone to see. It's been released. And, in Hawaii, there are only electronic records at this point, and the health department there has verified it. They have made public statements.So, why vote for something which perpetuates these false Internet rumors?
ASH: Well, Anderson, I think there's been a lot of controversy over the issue. It's created a division among a lot of people in the United States. And, for better or worse, many people don't believe he is a U.S. citizen. They believe he has loyalties -- divided loyalties, I suppose you could say.
COOPER: Right, but those people are wrong. I mean, he is a U.S. citizen.
ASH: Well, you're telling me that he's wrong. I have never investigated that. If he is, then he has nothing to fear.
COOPER: But -- but, I mean, that -- the information is out there. It has been released. It has been shown. There are some people who don't believe it, but there are also some people who believe that the moon is made out of cheese. And you can say you have never investigated it, but I think you would probably say the moon is not made out of cheese.
ASH: Well, I certainly would.
But the reason I spoke up on this bill is simply because there is a lot of division in the country. And I believe this would put an end to any future controversy about a president's qualifications.
COOPER: You told our producer you voted for this because you get a lot of calls from constituents with questions based on things they have read on the Internet.
I mean, isn't it your job as a leader to actually lead, not to throw up your hands and say, well, who knows what's real or not on the Internet, to actually say, well, actually, you know, Hawaii has released this information, and it's factually correct?
...
COOPER: You told my producer you thought the president spent a million dollars fighting the release of his birth certificate, and then that raised concerns for you.ASH: That's what I have heard. As I said, it...
COOPER: Right. But that's not -- you know that's actually not true?
ASH: I -- I don't know that that's not true. As I said, I haven't studied it. You get a lot of information on the Internet. As you know, much of it is inaccurate.
This has not been a focus of my attention for the last two years. But I know it is a matter of -- of controversy for many people. And I looked at this as simply a -- a means to end that controversy.
COOPER: You -- you also said to our producer that the president identified himself as a foreigner on his college application.
ASH: Yes.
COOPER: You know that's not true, right?
ASH: I didn't know that that was not true.
COOPER: That's a story that was put out on April Fool's Day. It's a fake AP news story.
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simoom Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:59:32pm |
re: #105 simoom
Heh, and then there was this brilliant exchange:
COOPER: So, where was George Bush born?ASH: I have no idea where George Bush was born.
COOPER: But you -- that wasn't a concern for you when he was in office?
ASH: The issue never came up.
COOPER: What about Bill Clinton? Where was he born?
ASH: I have no idea.
COOPER: So, all of a sudden, you're concerned about where the president of the United States is born, based on calls you're getting from constituents who are misinformed?
:P
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 21, 2010 10:59:37pm |
re: #93 EastSider
OT:
Charles, if you're looking for some recent Right Wing nut-jobbery, check the comments on this NY Post Article.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
In general, I don't think anyone should look at the New York Post, or breathe deeply around it for an extended period of time.
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:02:23pm |
re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist
In one of the comments:
"You want to inflict your religion on all of us? Go ahead and just try it."
Irony alert!
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:03:49pm |
re: #105 simoom
2 things. Yay Anderson Cooper. And oh my GOD, that guy is an elected representative of the people? Slimy panderer.
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:04:55pm |
re: #110 Stanley Sea
2 things. Yay Anderson Cooper. And oh my GOD, that guy is an elected representative of the people? Slimy panderer.
I question existence itself. Prove to me otherwise.
:P
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:05:31pm |
re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist
In general, I don't think anyone should look at the New York Post, or breathe deeply around it for an extended period of time.
Unless you want to find out who A-Rod is dating (never mind, you don't)
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:06:33pm |
re: #111 Varek Raith
I question existence itself. Prove to me otherwise.
:P
impossible. now we have fun!
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Four More Tears Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:07:57pm |
One comment in that Post suggested nuking Palestine and then suggested that we have a hater of juice in office right now. Because blowing up Gaza and the West Bank with the help of fission would make Israel such a much better place to live...
I'm not sure if this is geography fail or WMD fail.
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:08:48pm |
re: #114 JasonA
One comment in that Post suggested nuking Palestine and then suggested that we have a hater of juice in office right now. Because blowing up Gaza and the West Bank with the help of fission would make Israel such a much better place to live...
I'm not sure if this is geography fail or WMD fail.
Good grief.
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freetoken Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:08:50pm |
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:09:05pm |
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Four More Tears Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:09:57pm |
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Kragar Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:12:06pm |
Whose got thumbs and just got lucky?
/two thumbs up
This guy!
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Four More Tears Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:12:49pm |
re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Whose got thumbs and just got lucky?
/two thumbs up
This guy!
Are you bragging about getting laid on LGF?
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:13:25pm |
re: #118 JasonA
Teh ignorance tastes like burning.
Don't I know. Sometimes, I feel like writing novel-length comments on the stupidity I run across living where I do. I love the place, but sometimes.....
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freetoken Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:13:47pm |
Wasn't kidding about the sex crimes... right now I have 11 tabs open of news blurbs that have come across the wire in the last 4 hours. Only a couple are about Catholic priests. There are also a couple of teachers, a judge, and an assortment of other miscreants.
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Kragar Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:13:51pm |
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Four More Tears Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:14:39pm |
re: #121 tnguitarist
Don't I know. Sometimes, I feel like writing novel-length comments on the stupidity I run across living where I do. I love the place, but sometimes...
If I wasn't mocking it I would be in tears and cowering in fear.
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tnguitarist Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:15:52pm |
re: #124 JasonA
If I wasn't mocking it I would be in tears and cowering in fear.
Sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying.
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simoom Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:17:17pm |
re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Whose got thumbs and just got lucky?
/two thumbs up
This guy!
"Achievement Unlocked"
:P
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Kragar Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:33:35pm |
Two others claim haressment by 'Steven Seagal Lawman' star
Two women have provided Nguyen with sworn declarations to assist in her recent lawsuit against the Steven Seagal Lawman star that accused him of sexual assault and several other charges, TMZ reported Wednesday.
One of the woman has been identified as Blair Robinson -- the granddaughter of Ray Charles -- who claims she first met Seagal in 2004 at the singer's funeral, TMZ reported.
Robinson states in her declaration that she and her father -- Ray Charles Jr. -- were invited to Seagal's home after the funeral to discuss a job opportunity as one of his assistants.
She subsequently accepted the job a month after the meeting and alleges that during her first day of work, Seagal came to her room and told her she was required to give him massages.
"It became clear to me that he wanted and expected sexual favors as part of my job duties," stated Blair in the declaration, according to TMZ, which added she quit after the first day.
In addition, TMZ reported that one of the women's declaration alleges that Seagal touched her breasts under the guise that he was "checking just as a doctor would for lumps."
"Seagal reached his hand down my pants. He said, 'I just wanted to touch it for a second to see what it felt like,'" the declaration states, according to TMZ, which failed to clarify whether it belonged to Blair or the other woman.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:36:12pm |
re: #92 JasonA
12 minutes of dumb.
I particularly love the lady who talks about "aliens" bringing new forms of cholera, measles, mumps, and other "dibeases" into the country.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:37:36pm |
re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Never liked the guy/actor. Seems to fit my impression. yucko
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freetoken Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:40:06pm |
re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Yeah, that was one of the 11 stories I cited earlier - Ray Charles' grand-daughter being one of the Seagal accusers.
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Lidane Wed, Apr 21, 2010 11:54:58pm |
re: #110 Stanley Sea
2 things. Yay Anderson Cooper. And oh my GOD, that guy is an elected representative of the people? Slimy panderer.
At least he's just a slimy panderer. This guy is just an idiot:
*sigh*
The ignorance is strong with this one.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:01:48am |
re: #131 Lidane
At least he's just a slimy panderer. This guy is just an idiot:
*sigh*
The ignorance is strong with this one.
Inbred hicks should stay on the farm and concentrate on not schtupping their first cousins.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:04:54am |
Also, it looks like Scott Roeder is upset that he's not being greeted as a liberator in prison and he wants to go home:
Abortion doc's killer files petition; hearing set
WICHITA, Kan. — The convicted killer of a Kansas abortion provider has filed a petition complaining of his treatment in prison and seeking his release.
A hearing on Scott Roeder's habeus corpus petition is scheduled for June 4 before Judge Timothy Henderson in Wichita. A habeus corpus petition requires a judge to determine whether the government can continue to hold a prisoner.
The court docket shows Roeder filed the initial paperwork himself in February. His court-appointed attorney, Michael Brown, could not immediately be reached for comment.
All the documents in a separate civil case involving Roeder have been sealed.
The murder case against him for killing Dr. George Tiller is now under appeal.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:10:25am |
In honor of Earth Day, I'll repost the video demonstration of what the Japanese have designed to help them overcome the evils of plastic bags - bras!!
That's from a few years ago. I've not heard how the campaign has worked out.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:21:56am |
re: #94 tnguitarist
Anyone still hanging out? OT: Just found out my wife is pregnant.
Any idea who the father is?
/
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Kragar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:22:55am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:26:30am |
re: #137 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Ha! I checked before posting it, and was wondering why so many comments went by without anyone saying it.
Thanks for leaving the low hanging fruit for me.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:28:32am |
Speaking of pregnancies... lots of birthering going over on HotWingnuts over the Arizona birther bill. Meanwhile, over on Alex Jones' Prison Planet they are for sure Obama is going to come after them.
All nut cases... evidence of the sickness in American society.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:31:15am |
re: #140 freetoken
In fairness, most of the lunatics at Prison Planet also thought Bush was going to come after them in the aftermath of 9/11, and they thought Clinton would come after them before that. Jones and his band of idiots have been convinced that the gubmint is going to round them up and put them in concentration camps for well over a decade now.
The birther shit is just a new layer of crazy heaped over a bunch of long established paranoia and idiocy.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:32:37am |
re: #142 Lidane
Yeah, but now Jones has become a pillar in "journalism" courtesy of Fox News! It's like the National Enquirer on steroids.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:33:36am |
re: #142 Lidane
In fairness, most of the lunatics at Prison Planet also thought Bush was going to come after them in the aftermath of 9/11, and they thought Clinton would come after them before that. Jones and his band of idiots have been convinced that the gubmint is going to round them up and put them in concentration camps for well over a decade now.
The birther shit is just a new layer of crazy heaped over a bunch of long established paranoia and idiocy.
Personally, I think Jones saw an opening to become the new Art Bell. I don't think he believes any of the schtick he peddles. Nobody who is that effective at getting his message out could be that devoted to it. The message is whatever the paranoia of the day is.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:34:06am |
re: #143 freetoken
Except that the Enquirer has broken actual news stories, like the Edwards affair. That's the sad part.
The fact that anyone takes Jones seriously blows my mind. He's the living embodiment of a raving freakazoid nut sandwich.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:34:23am |
re: #141 Slumbering Behemoth
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:35:00am |
Coming as no surprise, Cato's Love Doll is starring in adverts for Rand Paul:
Palin stars in new Rand Paul commercial
And, currently top of the stack in the comments:
KateHikes April 21st, 2010 4:58 pm ET
Rand Paul and his venerable father are among the only American politicians not bought and paid for by the Zionists and their Shabbos Goys. America, elect this man!
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Lidane Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:35:46am |
re: #144 WindUpBird
Personally, I think Jones saw an opening to become the new Art Bell. I don't think he believes any of the schtick he peddles. Nobody who is that effective at getting his message out could be that devoted to it. The message is whatever the paranoia of the day is.
No, he's actually devoted to it. He was on radio and on public access TV here in Austin for years peddling that shit, long before Fox News ever came calling.
He's truly a raving paranoid nutjob. The problem is that Fox News and the mainstream right are now pandering to him and giving him a forum.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:38:49am |
re: #144 WindUpBird
No doubt about it, Jones is a regular on Coast to Coast AM:
[Link: www.coasttocoastam.com...]
Indeed, the exposure he has gotten on Noory's show helped propel Jones into a bigger audience.
However, Art Bell never took himself very seriously, but I'm afraid Jones does.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:39:43am |
re: #148 Lidane
No, he's actually devoted to it. He was on radio and on public access TV here in Austin for years peddling that shit, long before Fox News ever came calling.
He's truly a raving paranoid nutjob. The problem is that Fox News and the mainstream right are now pandering to him and giving him a forum.
Yeah, but the career's gotta start somewhere! :D To be clear, i don't think he's a corporate creation like Glenn beck is, I think he's a guy who loves being a raconteur for its own sake. But I just can't believe that he personally adopts every conspiracy theory that people are buzzing about. I can believe that he is in genreal predisposed to the message? But I can't believe he believes everything he says. Sorta like Beck. I believe Beck is conservative but I don't believe he personally believes his schtick on his show.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:41:52am |
re: #140 freetoken
Conspiracy crackpots are a world wide phenomenon. Sadly.
Jones has been up to this since at least the Clinton admin., and gov't packaged, Big Brother doom has always been right around the corner, according to him.
I wonder, what is taking them so damn long to come and get us all? I guess it's like End Times preaching. It doesn't matter that Armageddon has been "right around the corner" for centuries yet has never come, but the message fills seats and makes money.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:42:10am |
re: #149 freetoken
No doubt about it, Jones is a regular on Coast to Coast AM:
[Link: www.coasttocoastam.com...]
Indeed, the exposure he has gotten on Noory's show helped propel Jones into a bigger audience.
However, Art Bell never took himself very seriously, but I'm afraid Jones does.
I turned on coast to coast about three weeks ago, and Jones was wigging out about the census, OF COURSE
(note none of this means I believe Jones isn't a threat. if anything, the cynical manipulator who knows it's schtick is MORE of a threat, because he's calculated and eyes open about spreading madness, hurting people and hurting the country explicitly for personal gain)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:43:26am |
re: #146 WindUpBird
[Video]
Hell yeah, I used to have that album. And a couple of Ludichrist ones. Whatever happened to them.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:43:38am |
BTW, to Art Bell's credit, in these later years he has tried to fight against the wingnuttery. Not only did he fight off the 9/11 Truthers for years, but in one of his rare radio appearances last fall Bell trashed the whole "Climategate" scheme of the deniers.
The Alex Jones people, as a result, and like the Rense devotees, revile Art Bell.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:49:52am |
re: #153 Slumbering Behemoth
Hell yeah, I used to have that album. And a couple of Ludichrist ones. Whatever happened to them.
You're about the first person I've ever met online who already knew who Scatterbrain was :D
(and I have no idea what became of them)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:50:37am |
re: #154 freetoken
BTW, to Art Bell's credit, in these later years he has tried to fight against the wingnuttery. Not only did he fight off the 9/11 Truthers for years, but in one of his rare radio appearances last fall Bell trashed the whole "Climategate" scheme of the deniers.
The Alex Jones people, as a result, and like the Rense devotees, revile Art Bell.
I have a soft spot for Art Bell, because he was usually good natured, at least!
(also Waverider)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:51:56am |
re: #148 Lidane
No, he's actually devoted to it. He was on radio and on public access TV here in Austin for years peddling that shit, long before Fox News ever came calling.
He's truly a raving paranoid nutjob. The problem is that Fox News and the mainstream right are now pandering to him and giving him a forum.
And they're gonna drop him like a radioactive potato the very second the next republican get's into the oval office, and I am sure he knows that.
He is completely non-partisan in his conspiracy garbage, which is about the nicest thing I can think of to say about that man.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:53:25am |
re: #147 freetoken
Coming as no surprise, Cato's Love Doll is starring in adverts for Rand Paul:
Palin stars in new Rand Paul commercial
And, currently top of the stack in the comments:
If only there was some way we could easily identify those politicians who haven't sold out to those dirty Zionists.
OH! I got it! Maybe they can wear armbands and grow little bushy moustaches. That will be sure to set them apart!
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:53:44am |
re: #156 WindUpBird
Oh in other news, since you're easiest to get ahold of on here; I'm all golden for the Trip 2 weeks out.
Remember, no internet!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:54:15am |
re: #159 windsagio
Oh in other news, since you're easiest to get ahold of on here; I'm all golden for the Trip 2 weeks out.
Remember, no internet!
yeek O_O
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:55:10am |
Random link- Japanese company that makes REALLY bad wedding cakes!
(yes that's what those are, wedding cakes)
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:57:33am |
Another Random link, cuz Venture Bros are always cool.
Looking at this, Rusty can actually be really badass when he wants to.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:59:08am |
re: #157 Slumbering Behemoth
He is completely non-partisan in his conspiracy garbage, which is about the nicest thing I can think of to say about that man.
That's about the only thing I'll give him credit for. He's universally paranoid and crazy no matter who's in power. He's been yammering about concentration camps since Clinton was in office, and possibly even before that.
I just find the cynicism of Fox News and the mainstream right mind-blowing. They hated Jones when he was peddling the 9/11 Truther shit while Bush was in power, but the moment Obama takes office, he's their new darling.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:00:32am |
And on that note, I'm off to bed. Good night Lizards!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:01:25am |
re: #155 WindUpBird
What can I say, Metal was my first love. In keeping with the conspiracy theme:
... I am not sure, but I think the "guest vocals" on that track are done by the singer from Nuclear Assault. Haven't listened to NA in ages.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:03:52am |
re: #165 Slumbering Behemoth
What can I say, Metal was my first love. In keeping with the conspiracy theme:
[Video]
... I am not sure, but I think the "guest vocals" on that track are done by the singer from Nuclear Assault. Haven't listened to NA in ages.
And then we have the mental instability metal
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:04:56am |
re: #163 Lidane
Right wing talk radio was pushing his shit during the Clinton admin. as well, but to a much smaller degree than what is going on now. They turned their back on his ass when GWB took office, and they'll do it again when the next rep. takes office.
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Four More Tears Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:06:45am |
I can't wait for this day:
"Welcome back to the Glenn Beck show and tonight special guest... David Icke. Now you were telling our audience earlier of the Lizardoid infiltration of the British Royal Family and I can't help but think... could President Obama be one of them? Is it possible? I'm only asking questions here."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:11:50am |
re: #167 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
My favorite albums are "Killing...", "Peace Sells", and "Rust in Peace". They really stepped it up with "Rust..", but I lost interest after that album.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:19:31am |
re: #170 Slumbering Behemoth
My favorite albums are "Killing...", "Peace Sells", and "Rust in Peace". They really stepped it up with "Rust..", but I lost interest after that album.
Holy Wars was one of my favorite of theirs
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:26:55am |
re: #171 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Best song on the album, IMO. Still gives me goose bumps after twenty years.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:33:12am |
re: #161 windsagio
Random link- Japanese company that makes REALLY bad wedding cakes!
(yes that's what those are, wedding cakes)
You're just jealous no one made a chibi windsaigo cake.
:P
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windsagio Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:35:07am |
Think its late enough at night htat I can say something awful I wanted to say last afternoon?
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:35:48am |
Prophylaxis for the next round of AGW-science denialism:
A couple of hours ago AFP ran with this wire story:
Challenge to IPCC's Bangladesh climate predictions
Scientists in Bangladesh posed a fresh challenge to the UN's top climate change panel Thursday, saying its doomsday forecasts for the country in the body's landmark 2007 report were overblown.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), already under fire for errors in the 2007 report, had said a one-metre (three-foot) rise in sea levels would flood 17 percent of Bangladesh and create 20 million refugees by 2050.
The claim helped create a widespread consensus that the low-lying country was on the "front line" of climate change.
But the prediction ignored the role that at least one billion tonnes of sediment, carried by Himalayan rivers into Bangladesh every year, will play in countering sea level rises, a study funded by the Asian Development Bank said.
The writing of news stories is truly an art, and the key here is how the information is framed: a "fresh" "challenge" to the IPCC. Let's look at this claim:
Freshness: The AFP article is dated 22 April 2010. However, the Bangladeshi official mentioned, Maminul Haque Sarker, has been at this for a while. From 2009:
Considering elevation alone, even a one-metre rise would swallow about 15 to 20 per cent of Bangladesh's land area, where about 20 million people live today6. But such estimates can be misleading, since they leave out some crucial factors. For one thing, Bangladesh's delta is now expanding, as sediments settle along the coast and create new land (Fig. 1)."It's adding nearly 20 square kilometres a year in the coastal areas," says Maminul Haque Sarker, a morphologist at the Center for Environmental and Geographic Information Services (CEGIS) in Dhaka.
Let's go back another year, to 2008:
Bangladesh gaining land, not losing: scientists
New data shows that Bangladesh's landmass is increasing, contradicting forecasts that the South Asian nation will be under the waves by the end of the century, experts say.
Scientists from the Dhaka-based Center for Environment and Geographic Information Services (CEGIS) have studied 32 years of satellite images and say Bangladesh's landmass has increased by 20 square kilometres (eight square miles) annually.
Maminul Haque Sarker, head of the department at the government-owned centre that looks at boundary changes, told AFP sediment which travelled down the big Himalayan rivers ...
Yup, same guy, same claim. Not so "fresh" after all, eh?
Note that the last IPCC report was from 2007, and given the time to compile and edit only included research up to 2006.
So let's look at the second part of the phrase, "challenge".
[Continued...]
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:37:32am |
re: #174 windsagio
I would actually die.
You may be right...
Image: FF7__Chibi_Sephy_Knows_by_ShiroiNeko_sama.jpg
:D
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:38:07am |
re: #175 windsagio
Think its late enough at night htat I can say something awful I wanted to say last afternoon?
Go for it!
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:38:54am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:40:45am |
re: #175 windsagio
Think its late enough at night htat I can say something awful I wanted to say last afternoon?
No.
/are my reverse psychology skills getting any better?
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:48:15am |
[continued]
So let's look at the second part of the phrase, "challenge".
Only somebody who doesn't understand, or who wants to mischaracterize, the process of coming to a scientific consensus would claim that Sarker's claims are somehow a "challenge" in a negative sense.
Science is an iterative process, and when the IPCC next compiles a report Sarker's work will be evaluated. However, given the denialists' previous misuse of this material, such as Pielke Jr. in 2009 or one of the commenters at WUWT in 2008 I expect we will see all sorts of use of this latest AFP story with attending claims that the IPCC has made yet another error.
However, the IPCC in this case is simply not in sync with the data coming out of the Bangladesh bureaucracy. In 2013 when the next IPCC report is out the work of Mr. Sarkar will be part of the process.
Furthermore, as we remember from just a few weeks ago, when the news of the disappearing sand bar off the Bangladeshi coast was all the rage, even Mr. Sarkar's claims may be suspect. While he reports that he has seen an increase in the land at the shore (due to river deposits), as we see with the sand bar any shifting of the ocean can melt those away.
Furthermore, the last IPCC report, when it comes to sea rise, explicitly left out any rise due to the melting of the great ice sheets because the research up through 2006 was indeterminate. As is becoming clearer, the big ice sheets can undergo very quick changes, and it may be that sea level rises by 2100 could be substantial.
And, time doesn't stop on midnight 1 Jan 2100... what about 2010, or 2020? What is clear is that sea levels are going to go up, and any coast areas will be affected, regardless of river deposits.
Anyway, forewarned is forearmed.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:53:01am |
re: #165 Slumbering Behemoth
NUCLEAR ASSAULT! God damn, i remember them. They fell into the category of bands I storta listened to but weren't invested in, like Kreator, Laaz Rockit and Overkill. :D
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:53:24am |
re: #175 windsagio
Think its late enough at night htat I can say something awful I wanted to say last afternoon?
yes! What do you think Jimmah and I are here for anyway?
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Dante41 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:53:33am |
Evenin', Mornin' lizards.
If there are any Farkers on right now, get yourself to the main page. There is an epic redux of the Pickle Incident. Be forewarned, it is not for the faint of stomach.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:54:18am |
re: #171 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Holy Wars was one of my favorite of theirs
[Video]
When I saw Megadeth live for the Cryptic Writings tour, Holy Wars was what they opened with 8-)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Apr 22, 2010 1:55:26am |
re: #183 iceweasel
yes! What do you think Jimmah and I are here for anyway?
Now is the time when I post Gwar:
Jesus playing basketball one on one against Oderus!
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Dante41 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 2:00:21am |
Now that that has been dispensed with, how's everyone doing?
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 2:10:29am |
re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Back in the late 80s on visit to Los Angeles, I used to go to an upscale bar in Venice Beach called "Rebecca's". It had been designed by Frank Gehry just before he became known as was the happening place out in the beach area. Anyway, after going there for a few evenings and hanging out at the bar observing the scene, the bartender came over with a new glass of what I had been drinking and said that the gentleman - a sort of long-haired type with a certain presence whom I had noticed on my previous visits hanging out with a group of three or four friends in what was obviously his 'spot' at the far end of the bar, had sent it over with his compliments. We were both drinking shots of straight and expensive anejo tequila, and I was both flattered and surprised: the guy looked interesting, but not gay. I knew from experience teh geh is more than just the way people look, but I'd been around enough to be able to sort things out pretty quickly and was rarely wrong in my evaluations. Anyway, I raised the glass to acknowledge his gesture, and he smiled back. Just two cool dudes in a bar full of glossy Hollywood people recognizing each other's rough-edged authenticity.
A few nights later I'm walking back into Rebecca's and as I check out the bar, I see the same guy in his usual place, surrounded by his usual court of friends. He saw me as well, and smiled in a way that made me feel that the right thing would be to go over and thank him for the drink he had offered. I came over, thanked him and we exchanged a few words of polite conversation. I was struck by his composure and for a lack of a better word, his quiet sense of knowing who he was and what was going on around him.
To make a long story short, we introduced ourselves and shook hands. I explained that I lived in Paris, had been away from the States for years, and was just in town for a few weeks. He'd been to France and had some intelligent things to say about it, so I ordered a tequila and we fell into a conversation about living in foreign places as compared to the U.S. - and particularly Los Angeles, which he seemed to know a lot about. We had probably been talking for less than an hour when he - I had already forgotten his name, other than the fact that it sounded vaguely like the last name of Dr. Seegal, who used to be our family generalist when I was a kid - quietly touched my leg with the tips of his fingers and said from the moment I had walked into the bar a week or so ago, he had wanted to have sex with me. I thought he was joking, but one look in his eyes told me he wasn't. There were people standing around us, but somehow all this seemed to be taking place on a different planet. Apparently no one had noticed - it was a private moment of honesty in a very private conversation. He had made the proposition so naturally and elegantly that I wasn't in the least put off; I'd had gay and bi friends in New York and this wasn't the first time things like this had come up. I smiled and told him I didn't go that way - and added that I'd taken him to be the last person in Rebecca's to be cruising for any kind of sex. To which he replied that there would be a very pretty woman involved as well... I told him it would be better to drop the subject, paid for his drink and moved on out of Rebecca's.
(continued).
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Four More Tears Thu, Apr 22, 2010 2:17:06am |
re: #184 Dante41
Evenin', Mornin' lizards.
If there are any Farkers on right now, get yourself to the main page. There is an epic redux of the Pickle Incident. Be forewarned, it is not for the faint of stomach.
Know nothing of the "pickle incident," but I thought this was funny as hell:
"India guru arrested after video surfaces of him having sex with two women. "Thank you, come again""
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Apr 22, 2010 2:18:49am |
re: #182 WindUpBird
Headbanger Braggin' Rights: I still have the "not for resale" promo cassette of this album somewhere, from another one of those "Holy shit, I remember them" bands.
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 2:22:56am |
A few months later, back in Paris, I was reading some sort of dumb celebrity magazine in my dentist's office and came across an article about some hotshot Hollywood actor specialized in action movies - just the kind of movies I made it a point never to see. He was in town to film a sequence in his newest film, and as I looked at the photo spread and the name and it all came back to me: it was the guy I could only remember as "Dr. Seegal" that I had shared a few drinks and some conversation with in Venice.
By the way, half of this story is pure bullshit. I had met Seagal and shared a couple of drinks with him in Rebecca's just as I described above. He was a straight-on and extremely centered dude and made no moves on me. I don't know if the stories about him and his assistants are true, but I just wanted to show how easily one can make this kind of shit up by mixing in elements reality and pure lies. Especially when you stand to gain both fifteen minutes of fame and a few million dollars in a sexual harassment settlement.
What's clear is that people are always ready to believe the worst about certain others, and particularly about guys who attained stardom portraying some kind of super-hero - be it Michael Jackson or just an old action hero on the decline like Seagal.
And there you go.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 2:34:37am |
re: #191 ryannon
Love the story. Speaking of Art Bell upstream, this is the kind of story that plays well late at night.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 2:36:35am |
re: #191 ryannon
Art Bell used to have a program called "Truth or Trash", where callers would call in with stories like you, and listeners were supposed to discern if the caller was speaking the truth or not. Great radio - they don't make 'em like that anymore.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 2:37:22am |
Meta- alert:
So American spectator, which is damn wingnutty, has this article about Palin. Being part of the right-wing puke funnel means that naturally it winds up being semi-hagiography-- it concludes that Palin really can be president, just needs 'more time'.
However, this is the interesting part: it's a hit piece, primarily. Loads of negative info on Palin-- a sample:
while supply-side conservatives are rightly thrilled at Palin's mayoral record as a tax-cutter, fiscal conservatives again have reason for concern: the town's long-term debt reportedly jumped from $1 million to $25 million.
[...]
AGAIN AND AGAIN, Palin hasn't failed upward, but quit upward: quitting her way through four colleges, quitting the oil commission, quitting as governor after barely more than two years in office.
So here's the question for the meta: What's going on here? You'll see this piece covered all over the place-- but what's being covered and linked to in the rightysphere at this moment isn't the AS piece, but the Andrew Sullivan piece on it-- which lets the wingnutsphere focus on Sully's continuing Trig-obsession.
So, what's up with american spectator? These folks feature Buchanan regularly and pretty much made their name pushing wingnutty Clinton-crap-- (Ran drugs in Arkansas! Killed Vince Foster! etc) . What's up with ripping Palin? Hmmmm....
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 2:41:51am |
Dense fog is dense! Can barely see across the street.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 2:44:57am |
re: #194 iceweasel
The conclusion:
The problem with Palin is that she's not ready for the presidency. The promise of Palin is that she has plenty of time to prepare -- if, that is, she and her fans will both accept the prudential virtue of patience. Sometimes progress requires a pause. And the perspicacity to use it productively.
pretty much tells us the story. They want her to succeed because the evil (i.e., liberals/left) hate her, but are pretty clear that they can't sell her to the nation quite yet.
I pretty much ignore whatever American Spectator and similar mags have to say. They only exist as comfort food for the wingnuts.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 2:50:17am |
re: #196 freetoken
The conclusion:
pretty much tells us the story. They want her to succeed because the evil (i.e., liberals/left) hate her, but are pretty clear that they can't sell her to the nation quite yet.
I pretty much ignore whatever American Spectator and similar mags have to say. They only exist as comfort food for the wingnuts.
Oh, I'd agree. This stood out to me because it wasn't comfort food for wingnuts at ALL. The requisite pablum about Palin's charisma, and the nice sleeping pill at the end about how she's capable of being president in Teh FUTUR!1! make it slip down easy for the wingnut-- but the rest of the piece makes it sound like they're talking about a future in a parallel universe where Palin didn't do any of the awful stuff they lovingly detail. I find it damned weird to see a piece in American Spectator that would admit she ever did anything wrong ever. Let alone one quite as destructive as this one.
Strange days indeed...
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 2:57:14am |
DeMint Is Right: Tea Party Movement Does Equal The Great Awakening!
A bunch of people are making fun of Jim DeMint for likening the Tea Party movement to a “spiritual renewal.” I’m going to try to defend him.
DeMint compared the Tea Party movement to the First Great Awakening, which began around the 1720s, preceding the American Revolution. Here’s what he said:
“I really think a lot of the motivation behind these Tea Party crowds is a spiritual component. I think it’s very akin to the Great Awakening before the American Revolution. A lot of our founders believed the American Revolution was won before we ever got into a fight with the British. It was a spiritual renewal.”
DeMint is right — but not in the way he might think. There are indeed strong parallels between the Tea Party movement and the First Great Awakening, as this description of it in the book “A Short History of the United States” by Robert Remini makes clear:
This Great Awakening evoked intense emotional outbursts both from the ministers and from those who heard them. One could hear “screaming, singing, laughing, praying all at once,” with people experiencing convulsions and falling into trances. It was not uncommon for an audience to become so aroused that it bordered on frenzy…
Preachers emphasized the fact that individuals alone were responsible for their final end. Without doubt, the promotion of individualism was one of the most important effects of the Great Awakening. Another was its antiauthorianism…
Intense emotional outbursts at gatherings. People falling into trances. Audiences going into frenzies. Individuals left to their own devices, come what may. A visceral rejection of authority. Yep — that description could easily apply to any Tea Party rally today.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:00:02am |
re: #197 iceweasel
One problem for the Spectator crowd is that they don't know which wingnut to support. There is a divergence between the neo-con foreign policy crowd and the isolationist/Paulian crowd. Palin herself is very wishy-washy in this regard, pretty much being whatever the crowd immediately in front of her demands. However, the Buchanan/Paul crowd has been showing some distrust of Palin lately, so perhaps the Spectator editor was going along with them?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:05:06am |
Commemorating Confederate History Month: White Supremacy Killed Lincoln
[...]
We talk about Booth as though he were just some crazed assassin, as opposed to talking about him as he was-- a white supremacist who killed Lincoln because he believed the president was a threat to "African slavery." We're uncomfortable saying the obvious--that Booth was animated by beliefs that were at the core of the CSA's very existence. This is not conjecture. These are the words of Booth himself:
I have ever held the South were right. The very nomination of ABRAHAM LINCOLN, four years ago, spoke plainly, war -- war upon Southern rights and institutions. His election proved it. "Await an overt act." Yes, till you are bound and plundered. What folly! The South was wise. Who thinks of argument or patience when the finger of his enemy presses on the trigger? In a foreign war I, too, could say, "country, right or wrong." But in a struggle such as ours, (where the brother tries to pierce the brother's heart,) for God's sake, choose the right. When a country like this spurns justice from her side she forfeits the allegiance of every honest freeman, and should leave him, untrameled by any fealty soever, to act as his conscience may approve.[...]
This country was formed for the white, not for the black man. And looking upon African Slavery from the same stand-point held by the noble framers of our constitution. I for one, have ever considered if one of the greatest blessings (both for themselves and us,) that God has ever bestowed upon a favored nation. Witness heretofore our wealth and power; witness their elevation and enlightenment above their race elsewhere. I have lived among it most of my life, and have seen less harsh treatment from master to man than I have beheld in the North from father to son.[...]
It needs to said, and it needs to be repeated--the first president to be murdered in this country's history was murdered by a white supremacist. We have to say this. It's not enough to think about what what white racism costs black people, we have to think about what white racism costs white people. In this case, it costs them one of the wisest statesmen this country has ever produced, and led to the elevation of Andrew Johnson, a man routinely reviled as one of the worst presidents in history.
The final irony of it all is tragic--Leaders of the self-styled Party Of Lincoln actually celebrating the battle-flag embraced by Lincoln's murderer.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:19:32am |
What GOP obstructionism?
Republicans Block Votes On 97 Federal Nominees In A Single Day
As Whitehouse and McCaskill began reading the names of stalled federal nominees, the Republicans at first didn’t even appear. Whitehouse then waited patiently for a Republican Senator to arrive on the floor. Minority Whip Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) finally appeared and began objecting to the two senators’ unanimous consent requests, ultimately blocking votes on 97 nominees. The Huffington Post has assembled a video compilation of Kyl blocking Whitehouse and McCaskill’s requests. Watch it:
More at link.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:21:12am |
re: #201 iceweasel
What GOP obstructionism?
Republicans Block Votes On 97 Federal Nominees In A Single Day
More at link.
UP OR DOWN VOTE....Wait, huh?
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:41:24am |
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:42:26am |
A bit of early morning humor for all you materialists out there:
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:44:39am |
re: #203 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, politics as usual.
Hey! Congrats-- did i see recently that you have some kitchen space now via a friend? Congrats!
BTW, I found this site the other day and thought of you-- you probably know about it already, and it looks like the job listings are all nyc, sf, and LA, but maybe it's useful to you--
[Link: eater.com...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:50:04am |
The Jacksonville, FL Human Rights Commission has a mission of ensuring “that all Jacksonville residents enjoy a community free of discriminatory practices.” Ironically, in the past month that city council members have been reviewing the mayor’s nominees for the commission, a local lawmaker has been accused of discriminating against these prospective members.
Jacksonville Mayor John Peyton (R) recommended two people for the commission: University of North Florida professor and Fulbright scholar Parvez Ahmed and Florida Coastal School of Law professor Susan Harthill. The controversy arose when Council Member Clay Yarborough decided to ask them “about gay marriage, God, Islam and prayer in public places” — even though the questions had little to do with what Peyton and Harthill would be doing on the commission. Yarborough said that although he had never asked these questions of nominees before, he now felt they were “necessary to better know the people applying for this board.” The Florida Times-Union reports on the litmus test Yarborough put the nominees through:
Yarborough asked Ahmed only whether he believed same-sex marriage should be permitted in Florida and to explain why he stopped serving on the boards of the Islamic Center of Northeast Florida and the ACLU of Florida in 2007. [...]
Yarborough said that if Ahmed’s responses were different he would have been concerned. He said that courts have upheld the use of the phrases “Under God” and “In God We Trust” so he would have not liked to hear that a nominee was in disagreement.
He said that if gay marriage became a topic before the Human Rights Commission, he would want to know whether any potential member supported changing state law to legalize gay unions. “It would concern me if someone of that belief was on that board if they could address that issue,” he said.
What has most troubled observers of this debate is that Yarborough has publicly admitted that he is biased against Muslims and LGBT individuals. In an interview with the Times-Union, Yarborough admitted that he doesn’t really think those groups of people should be allowed to hold public office:
Just in general, do you believe Muslims should be able to hold any public office in Florida?
“I don’t know.”
Do you think homosexuals should be able to hold a public office in Florida
“I would prefer they did not.”
Yarborough also implied that he supports allowing only Christian prayers in public buildings because the “scripture teaches that unless one prays in the name of Jesus Christ, and since he is our only way to the Father, that that is how one should pray. And that is what I believe.”
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Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:51:55am |
re: #206 iceweasel
Thanks for the link. I didn't bother with the kitchen space thing. I had a strong gut feeling against it. But I still have an Evil PlanTM.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:54:26am |
re: #208 Cannadian Club Akbar
Thanks for the link. I didn't bother with the kitchen space thing. I had a strong gut feeling against it. But I still have an Evil PlanTM.
Aw hell. Sorry, I'm not here enough at the moment to keep up to date. :( Sorry it didn't work out, but you do have to go with your strong feeling-- no doubt you were right.
Also, I would upding liberally (heh) for your Evil Plan, if I could.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:57:56am |
BTW: look for this for the whole next week-- new wingnut meme a-birthin' (so to speak):
Republicans Draft Strategy Memo To Smear Obama’s Widely Respected Nominee To Head CMS
Several news outlets are reporting that Republicans are preparing to re-litigate the health care reform debate by blocking the nomination of Donald Berwick, Harvard University professor, to head the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). As the Washington Post notes, “Democrats in the Senate said that, given Berwick’s national stature and broad-based support, he would be easily confirmed under ordinary circumstances,” but “Berwick must first clear the Senate Finance Committee, where ranking Republican Charles E. Grassley (Iowa) said that he plans to vigorously ‘explore the nominee’s preparedness for the enormous challenges that face the agency.’”
The Republican Policy Committee has already prepared a memo — which was obtained by The Wonk Room — that links Berwick to the British health care system and presents him as someone who supports rationing and a government takeover of health care (Download the full memo HERE):
Here's the link to the PDF of the GOP memo. Keep a lookout-- this will be coming back in comments here in various guises.
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Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:58:25am |
re: #209 iceweasel
I saw you and Jimmah went to the Empire State Building and you mentioned he has vertigo. I also have that. For the record, I went to floor 102. The elevator operator asked if I was afraid of heights. He was correct.:)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:01:43am |
My wife and I have been looking for a new Church home. Visited an extremely conservative Baptist Church.
She absolutely loved it. Looks like that's where we'll be going.
I am looking forward to the debate; because, there will be debate...
heh
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:03:42am |
re: #201 iceweasel
They're playing the "good for goose/gander game". It sucks when other side just plays obstructionist.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:07:10am |
re: #211 Cannadian Club Akbar
I saw you and Jimmah went to the Empire State Building and you mentioned he has vertigo. I also have that. For the record, I went to floor 102. The elevator operator asked if I was afraid of heights. He was correct.:)
I'm really impressed by anyone who has vertigo and can do that.
Jimmah was very brave-- when we got to the first observation deck (floor 86) he did great but did have a (mild) attack when we stepped onto the outside deck. But he was great-- after a few minutes hanging back he was able to come up to the edge and take pics. We'll post them later.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:14:45am |
re: #212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My wife and I have been looking for a new Church home. Visited an extremely conservative Baptist Church.
She absolutely loved it. Looks like that's where we'll be going.
I am looking forward to the debate; because, there will be debate...
heh
Well, cool. Debate is always good, and so is finding a supportive community -- if she loved it, I'm sure there are good people there.
What does 'extremely conservative Baptist' mean, though?
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Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:18:02am |
re: #216 iceweasel
Well, cool. Debate is always good, and so is finding a supportive community -- if she loved it, I'm sure there are good people there.
What does 'extremely conservative Baptist' mean, though?
My mom's neighbors are conservative Baptist. The woman obeys the man. But to be honest, she wears the pants.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:23:02am |
re: #217 Cannadian Club Akbar
My mom's neighbors are conservative Baptist. The woman obeys the man. But to be honest, she wears the pants.
I think it might be one of these labels that is very loose?-- I have a friend who has family that would call themselves 'extremely conservative Baptist', but they don't seem to be extreme (even among Baptists).
I had this idea that conservative Baptists have at least two branches; basically what I'm saying is that not all conservative Baptists and even 'extremely conservative Baptists' are wingnuts.
They endorse so-con ideas but don't want to impose them on others, or exploit political means.
(Such people do exist).
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Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:23:53am |
re: #217 Cannadian Club Akbar
When they were dating, he went fishing with a friend. She asked, "What am I gonna do"? He said do the laundry. She sewed all the pant legs and shirt arms closed. Heh.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:25:52am |
re: #216 iceweasel
Well, cool. Debate is always good, and so is finding a supportive community -- if she loved it, I'm sure there are good people there.
What does 'extremely conservative Baptist' mean, though?
On Sundays, when they have a BBQ, not only do they pray over the pig as it spins on the roasting pit, but also the cole slaw!
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:28:00am |
re: #220 sattv4u2
On Sundays, when they have a BBQ, not only do they pray over the pig as it spins on the roasting pit, but also the cole slaw!
Damn vegetarian hippies! /
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Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:28:11am |
re: #220 sattv4u2
On Sundays, when they have a BBQ, not only do they pray over the pig as it spins on the roasting pit, but also the cole slaw!
I make the greatest cole slaw ever!! (next to my moms)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:28:21am |
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Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:30:39am |
Fringe is on tonight. I am fucking geeked!!!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:31:15am |
re: #222 Cannadian Club Akbar
I make the greatest cole slaw ever!! (next to my moms)
Great ,, next time your mom makes some invite me over!
(what ,, why would I want second best ~!?!?!)
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:31:59am |
re: #223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I ALWAYS get the last word in every argument the wife and I have!!
"yes honey ,,, whatever you say dear"
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Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:34:13am |
re: #225 sattv4u2
Great ,, next time your mom makes some invite me over!
(what ,, why would I want second best ~!?!?!)
OK. Slaw dressing recipe:
Half and half
Mayo
Red Wine Vinegar
Sugar.
Hope Reine sees this.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:35:37am |
re: #218 iceweasel
Conservative baptists... I am not sure all that these guys stand for, but I'll take a stab... my thoughts in parentheses...
No Gay Marriage (I agree, however I am a strong supporter of equal rights and civil unions)
No Abortions (I have a penis, which removes me from the discussion, IMO, and by the way, IT'S FANTASTIC! {well, I think about and with it all the time})
Bible is infallible (but it's written by fallible men)
God created (pisses me off that no one will discuss the tools he may have used)
That kind of stuff. Nothing I can't beat them over the head with (in Christian love)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:40:12am |
Watching "Sunrise Earth" Penguins at Patagonia... Kind of surreal. Penguins hanging out in the bushes... thought they only hung out in the ice.
I am smarter than I was yesterday. That's a good thing.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:42:28am |
re: #227 Cannadian Club Akbar
I found an amazing vegan barbecue... add slaw to it? nom nom om nom nom...
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:42:44am |
re: #229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Watching "Sunrise Earth" Penguins at Patagonia... Kind of surreal. Penguins hanging out in the bushes... thought they only hung out in the ice.
I am smarter than I was yesterday. That's a good thing.
I'm older,,, NOT a good thing
Although, I plan on living forever
So Far,, So Good!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:45:14am |
re: #215 freetoken
KJV-only? YEC?
Not that conservative. They would have heard me snickering from the pew.
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:45:37am |
re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There's no limit to the strangeness of some of the teachings of various churches, especially "independent" ones. These days I think you'll need to watch out for the followers of Harold Camping as I think some of the independent fundamentalist Baptists are caught up in his teachings.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:47:45am |
re: #233 freetoken
Again, they'd hear me snickering from the pew.
I'm a Tony Campolo(esque) Red Letter(ish) Christian.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:48:36am |
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:49:01am |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:49:19am |
re: #227 Cannadian Club Akbar
OK. Slaw dressing recipe:
Half and half
Mayo
Red Wine Vinegar
Sugar.
Hope Reine sees this.
She sees.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:49:36am |
re: #226 sattv4u2
I ALWAYS get the last word in every argument the wife and I have!!
"yes honey ,,, whatever you say dear"
That reminds me of something Homer Simpson once said....
"I never apologize; I'm sorry, that's just the way I am."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:50:57am |
re: #231 sattv4u2
You're older than you've ever been
And now you're even older,
And now you're even older,
And now you're even older,
You're older than you've ever been,
And now you're even older,
And now you're older still.
-They Might Be Giants
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Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:51:13am |
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:51:35am |
re: #236 freetoken
Speaking of red letters, I remember seeing a Bible once with the words of Jesus in green - I always thought that was a bit weird.
Yeah, the progressives/liberals tend to not like the Pauline doctrines but rather stick with the Sermon on the Mount type of stuff.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:52:52am |
re: #236 freetoken
COMMUNIST!
heh. I met Tony once. He gave a speech, used the same damn stories he always uses... I'd heard them before.
I still cried.
You've gotta love a Christian that'll throw a birthday party for a prostitute in a bar.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:53:06am |
re: #241 freetoken
Speaking of red letters, I remember seeing a Bible once with the words of Jesus in green - I always thought that was a bit weird.
Yeah, the progressives/liberals tend to not like the Pauline doctrines but rather stick with the Sermon on the Mount type of stuff.
??????
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Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:53:38am |
re: #240 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wish I could give amounts, but I can't.
I have the ability but I can't because I just add stuff 'til it's right.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:53:52am |
re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Conservative baptists... I am not sure all that these guys stand for, but I'll take a stab... my thoughts in parentheses...
No Gay Marriage (I agree, however I am a strong supporter of equal rights and civil unions)
No Abortions (I have a penis, which removes me from the discussion, IMO, and by the way, IT'S FANTASTIC! {well, I think about and with it all the time})
Bible is infallible (but it's written by fallible men)
God created (pisses me off that no one will discuss the tools he may have used)That kind of stuff. Nothing I can't beat them over the head with (in Christian love)
Ok, cool-- thanks for answering, Veggie. ;)
Myself, I think there's a big difference between not liking abortion and wanting to help ensure there is less need for abortion (by making birth control more available, and also adoption more available)---- versus wanting to ensure that no one can get an abortion, or making it extremely difficult to get one if you want one. I have loads of pro-life friends and acquaintances who all fall into the first category.
Similarly, w/r/t gay marriage-- this is something you and I might talk about sometime-- you're a supporter of equal rights and civil unions, and frankly the religious people I talk to who have that position tend to be people who have an issue with the use of the word marriage, or have a fear that 'gay marriage' would force their church to perform them or recognise them; they don't want to prevent people from having equal rights in a gay partnership.
Anyway, I'm an atheist and as you know a filthy lib. But I don't have a problem with religion per se or religious people, and I think religion has often been a force for good. Plus I know and respect so many people for whom religion is a great thing and a guiding force.
If this church works for you, go for it! best wishes to you both.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:54:30am |
re: #241 freetoken
I am a total "Sermon on the Mount" Christian. Everything we need can be found in Matthew 5-7.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:55:18am |
re: #245 iceweasel
I love ya, ya stinkin' Commie.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:56:15am |
The thing I find the most ironic is that if Jesus came back and were around today, there'd be posters of him done up to look like the joker, he'd be called a socialist/fascist by Beck, Hannity would be questioning his associates, etc. etc.
Can't exactly picture him being embraced by the right.
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Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:57:53am |
re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am a total "Sermon on the Mount" Christian. Everything we need can be found in Matthew 5-7.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:58:06am |
My favorite Tony Campolo quote...
"I have three things I'd like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don't give a shit. What's worse is that you're more upset with the fact that I said shit than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night."
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:58:21am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 4:59:46am |
re: #247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I love ya, ya stinkin' Commie.
That's just the patchouli we're issued. :(
I love ya too, you sexy Bastard.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:01:09am |
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:01:36am |
re: #243 Sigma_x
???
Not sure which paragraph about which you are inquiring...
If the first - the green letters were just weird. I suppose it could have been for Trekkies, and that Jesus was a supposed Vulcan or something.
If for the second - Pauline teachings are full of the damnation stuff about various sex-sins, also arguments over predestination, the role of women, and other such hard core topics out of which many splits in the Christian religion have arisen. So some people look upon Paul as a sort of misogynistic rabbi who may have believed the Gospel but nevertheless brought with him all sorts of baggage. As such, some people tend to think Paul's teachings have been over-emphasized, especially by fundamentalists as found in the US.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:01:44am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:01:44am |
re: #248 Sigma_x
See? Sigma thinks the President is Jesus Christ!
/
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Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:02:37am |
re: #256 iceweasel
Oh right, like we libs wait for spring to go braless. /
Help spread this message.
/
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:02:47am |
re: #256 iceweasel
Oh right, like we libs wait for spring to go braless. /
No ,, but there's no ski parkas getting in the eyes way in May !
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:03:41am |
re: #255 freetoken
A-ha! I literally didn't know what you were talking about (despite a Catholic school upbringing - shows you how much I was paying attention), and I went and did a little research. Glad I did.
Thanks.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:04:27am |
re: #255 freetoken
Not sure which paragraph about which you are inquiring...
If the first - the green letters were just weird. I suppose it could have been for Trekkies, and that Jesus was a supposed Vulcan or something.
If for the second - Pauline teachings are full of the damnation stuff about various sex-sins, also arguments over predestination, the role of women, and other such hard core topics out of which many splits in the Christian religion have arisen. So some people look upon Paul as a sort of misogynistic rabbi who may have believed the Gospel but nevertheless brought with him all sorts of baggage. As such, some people tend to think Paul's teachings have been over-emphasized, especially by fundamentalists as found in the US.
The rampant misogyny in Catholicism is mostly due to Paul.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:05:18am |
re: #262 iceweasel
The rampant misogyny in Catholicism is mostly due to Paul.
Hence, the Perils Of Pauline!
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:05:34am |
re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
See? Sigma thinks the President is Jesus Christ!
/
No, it's just that "It'd be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven" is a lot more provocative a statement like, "We need to spread the wealth around a little."
Jesus would be totally demonized by FOX if he were around today.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:05:55am |
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freetoken Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:06:06am |
Stuff you'll never hear in FBV's new church:
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:06:37am |
re: #248 Sigma_x
The thing I find the most ironic is that if Jesus came back and were around today, there'd be posters of him done up to look like the joker, he'd be called a socialist/fascist by Beck, Hannity would be questioning his associates, etc. etc.
Can't exactly picture him being embraced by the right.
Can you picture him being embraced by what passes for the American left?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:07:29am |
re: #267 Spare O'Lake
Can you picture him being embraced by what passes for the American left?
Define the 'American left', please.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:07:37am |
GGAAAHHH ,,,, I hate having a spring cold
Coffee isn't the same!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:08:56am |
re: #265 iceweasel
Alas, only one upding...
What does Alice have to do with it? Is she Paulines friend!?!?
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:09:35am |
re: #267 Spare O'Lake
Can you picture him being embraced by what passes for the American left?
The far, far left? Yes. The democrats? No. Because Jesus truly was a socialist, in every sense of the word, and any politician with any sense from either party would have to distance themselves from the more provocative elements of his teachings.
He really was a "Spread-the-wealth-around-type of guy."
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:12:47am |
re: #240 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wish I could give amounts, but I can't.
Why?
Do you just add stuff until it's right?
Or it's some sort of proprietary recipe?
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:13:47am |
re: #268 iceweasel
Define the 'American left', please.
It's what a real lefty would call the stinking capitalist bourgeouisie.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:14:23am |
Anyone seen this video from the Tax Day protest in D.C.? It's awesome. They're asked why it is exactly that they're against Obama, and most of them struggle to come up with something coherent.
"Obama is planning on banning fishing!"
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Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:14:29am |
re: #272 reine.de.tout
Why?
Do you just add stuff until it's right?
Or it's some sort of proprietary recipe?
Other than baking and pastries, recipes are only recommendations. I just add stuff until it's right.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:16:27am |
re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar
Other than baking and pastries, recipes are only recommendations. I just add stuff until it's right.
Heh, I fail when I follow the directions. It never comes out right.
:shrugs:
XD
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:18:20am |
re: #268 iceweasel
Well, certainly not you. How's the weather in Bora Bora?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:18:45am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:20:58am |
re: #271 Sigma_x
He was, he wanted you to spread your wealth around voluntarily.
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Ericus58 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:22:52am |
re: #89 Stanley Sea
Check out this question from a Fox correspondent to Robert Gibbs
I have to say nothing, in my political memory compares to this birther bullshit staying mainstream. (the day people aren't here to freak out on the Muslim part of the question so I'll just let that be)
Just who are you referring to here at LGF? Just who is freaking out about Muslim's - posting about Islamic radicals/terrorists is not directing anger at the general Muslim population or those of the Islamic faith.
It's the same as those of us here at LGF that post about whackjobs from other faiths, focused on the specific and not the general group - yes?
Again, I see most every evening several posts about those of us that post in morning and mid-day time frame getting the backhand comments... without the same vitrol being spread from the "AM Wingnut Group".
I appreciate your posts SS, but this crap is getting old.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:27:41am |
re: #281 Ericus58
Day Man!
Master of the Night Man
Champion of the sun!
You're a master of Karate
And friendship!
FOR EVERYONE!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:30:23am |
re: #264 Sigma_x
You do know what the eye of a needle is, right?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:30:28am |
re: #273 Spare O'Lake
It's what a real lefty would call the stinking capitalist bourgeouisie.
So, you're making shit up.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:31:20am |
re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Day Man!
Master of the Night Man
Champion of the sun!
You're a master of Karate
And friendship!
FOR EVERYONE!
I either need more coffe
or you need less!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:31:39am |
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:32:00am |
This just in - Initial Jobless Claims
Prior Consensus Consensus Range Actual
New Claims - Level 484 K 460 K 440 K to 465 K 456 K
Market Consensus Before Announcement
Initial jobless claims for the week ended April 10 jumped 24,000 to 484,000 for a second increase in a row. The Labor Department attributed the rise in claims not to economic factors but to continuing administrative snags as offices catch up with claims during the shortened Easter week and, in California, for the Cesar Chavez holiday.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:33:31am |
re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Day Man!
Master of the Night Man
Champion of the sun!
You're a master of Karate
And friendship!
FOR EVERYONE!
Sigh, who's turn was it to put FBV back into his pen???
///
:)
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:33:39am |
re: #279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He was, he wanted you to spread your wealth around voluntarily.
This is what I don't get about that objection: Yes, Jesus talked about how you should want to give away your possessions, should want to be charitable, etc. He's not talking about the government doing it.
However, when we vote on things like increasing food stamps, providing health care for the poor, etc., that is volunteering to be charitable, to me. That is volunteering that we want a society where that happens, and where those values are held.
So the objection never makes any sense to me-- Jesus didn't say say:
"Whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me-- but if you did it through legislation it's bad and wrong."
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Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:35:24am |
Taco Bell food will kill you. Taco Bell food at 8:30 will do it faster.:)
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:36:29am |
re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Day Man!
Master of the Night Man
Champion of the sun!
You're a master of Karate
And friendship!
FOR EVERYONE!
Every night you come into my room
And pin me down with your strong arms
You pin me down, and I try to fight you
You come inside me
You fill me up
And I become the Night Man...
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:36:36am |
re: #293 Cannadian Club Akbar
Taco Bell food will kill you. Taco Bell food at 8:30 will do it faster.:)
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:36:50am |
re: #292 Obdicut
So the objection never makes any sense to me-- Jesus didn't say say:"Whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me-- but if you did it through legislation it's bad and wrong."
You left out the word 'Democrats' " before legistlation, obviously. /
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:39:40am |
re: #292 Obdicut
True... I think that giving voluntarily makes a cheerful giver, my largess having to be wrestled out of me with threats of prison, etc... not so much.
I am pretty generous (but I do write off my donations).
re: #288 Sigma_x
There are many who assert that the "eye of a needle" is a low gate. A camel can get through it, but it ain't easy.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:40:43am |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
True... I think that giving voluntarily makes a cheerful giver, my largess having to be wrestled out of me with threats of prison, etc... not so much.
I am pretty generous (but I do write off my donations).
re: #288 Sigma_x
There are many who assert that the "eye of a needle" is a low gate. A camel can get through it, but it ain't easy.
Who asserts that - certain rich men?
My point is is that if Jesus were around today - I doubt he would show up as a guest on Hannity's Great American Panel.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:41:38am |
Mystery Rocket falls in Jordan
A rocket has exploded near the southern Jordanian city of Aqaba, damaging a warehouse but causing no casualties.
It was one of two fired early on Thursday morning which landed in Jordanian territory - the other fell harmlessly into the sea.
There are conflicting reports as to where the rockets were launched.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:43:26am |
re: #299 Sigma_x
Who asserts that - certain rich men?
My point is is that if Jesus were around today - I doubt he would show up as a guest on Hannity's Great American Panel.
Yeah ,, he'd probably be much more comfortable on John Stewarts show with all the swearing and name calling!
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Ericus58 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:43:28am |
re: #245 iceweasel
Ok, cool-- thanks for answering, Veggie. ;)
Myself, I think there's a big difference between not liking abortion and wanting to help ensure there is less need for abortion (by making birth control more available, and also adoption more available)--- versus wanting to ensure that no one can get an abortion, or making it extremely difficult to get one if you want one. I have loads of pro-life friends and acquaintances who all fall into the first category.
Similarly, w/r/t gay marriage-- this is something you and I might talk about sometime-- you're a supporter of equal rights and civil unions, and frankly the religious people I talk to who have that position tend to be people who have an issue with the use of the word marriage, or have a fear that 'gay marriage' would force their church to perform them or recognise them; they don't want to prevent people from having equal rights in a gay partnership.
Anyway, I'm an atheist and as you know a filthy lib. But I don't have a problem with religion per se or religious people, and I think religion has often been a force for good. Plus I know and respect so many people for whom religion is a great thing and a guiding force.
If this church works for you, go for it! best wishes to you both.
Awesome post, awesome perspective.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:43:43am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:45:00am |
N.J. Gov Gets Death Threats From Teachers… Riddled With Misspellings
They’re the kind of obscenity-laced schoolyard taunts that could get a student suspended.
But the target of this tirade is New Jersey’s Gov. Chris Christie — and the perpetrators are the state’s teachers, irate over his calls for salary freezes and funding cuts for schools.
In Facebook messages visible to the world — not to mention their students — the teachers have called Christie fat, compared him to a genocidal dictator and wished he was dead. The postings are often riddled with bad grammar and misspellings.
“Never trust a fat f…,” read one profane post on the Facebook page, “New Jersey Teachers United Against Governor Chris Christie’s Pay Freeze,” which has some 69,000 fans, many of them teachers.
“How do you spell A– hole? C-H-R-I-S C-H-R-I-S-T-I-E,” read another.
The rhetoric has become ever more heated as residents of most of the state’s school districts get ready to vote Tuesday on property tax levies that support district budgets. And while many of the postings are emotional, most aren’t personal attacks.
Christie, a first-year Republican governor who inherited a state in dire financial straits, wants voters to reject the proposals in districts where educators won’t agree to salary freezes for the coming school year.
The acrimony intensified last month when Christie proposed cutting state and federal aid to districts by 11 percent, calling it a way to share sacrifice as the state tries to rein in spending.
That’s when the Facebook attacks really took off.
One educator, a librarian with a Master’s degree, described the cuts as “rediculous.”
Another pointed out that Christie’s late mother was a member of the teachers union: “It’s not right to bite the hand that feeds you. Oh I forgot it’s Chirs Christie, He’s so large I bet he’d bite anything that’s put in front of his face!”
“Remember Pol Pot, dictator of Cambodia?” warned another. “He reigned in terror, his target was teachers and intellectuals. They were either killed or put into forced labor… King Kris Kristy is headed in this direction.”
Christie’s supporters have responded with a Facebook page of their own. “Teachers need to sit down and shut up. They live in a dream world where they work 180 days a year,” it asserted. “Way overpaid to start with, they could never make it working in the real world.”
Misspelled threats of violence & death? Damn wingnuts!
///
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:45:18am |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
True... I think that giving voluntarily makes a cheerful giver, my largess having to be wrestled out of me with threats of prison, etc... not so much.
I am pretty generous (but I do write off my donations).
Nothing wrong with writing off donations!
But is your largess wrestled out of you when you pay other federal or state taxes, that pay for roads, schools, firefighters, etc.?
These are public goods that promote the general welfare, right?
What's the problem with helping to pay for health care for (almost) all?
Sincere question.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:45:27am |
re: #301 sattv4u2
Yeah ,, he'd probably be much more comfortable on John Stewarts show with all the swearing and name calling!
Wasn't saying that, either. But, as long as you're trying to equivocate things - there's only one group that tries to co-opt Jesus in their message - the right wing - and, all I'm saying is that I highly doubt Jesus would have anything to do with them.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:45:54am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:46:06am |
re: #302 Ericus58
Awesome post, awesome perspective.
Cheers, Ericus58-- that was very kind of you. Thank you.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:47:54am |
re: #305 iceweasel
Nothing wrong with writing off donations!
But is your largess wrestled out of you when you pay other federal or state taxes, that pay for roads, schools, firefighters, etc.?
These are public goods that promote the general welfare, right?
What's the problem with helping to pay for health care for (almost) all?
Sincere question.
"we" already do, for the Medicare/ Medicaid programs. "I" pay for those as well as my own health insurance
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:47:59am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:48:49am |
re: #304 NJDhockeyfan
A FB friend of mine posted the "I love Gov Christie" thingy, but subbed President Obama.
I was just as offended as I was for Gov. Christie.
That make me perfect? I think so.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:49:53am |
re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
A FB friend of mine posted the "I love Gov Christie" thingy, but subbed President Obama.
I was just as offended as I was for Gov. Christie.
That make me perfect? I think so.
I missed that one. I don't think I want to know what that is.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:50:28am |
re: #305 iceweasel
Nope. I am happy to pay my fair share "widders n' orfins" and all that.
The poor shall always be with us, and I will ease their burdens as I am able. I prefer to be the one who knows when I am able.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:50:45am |
re: #309 sattv4u2
"we" already do, for the Medicare/ Medicaid programs. "I" pay for those as well as my own health insurance
Yes, that's my point. So what's the problem, in principle, with covering more people? Especially since it will pring down costs for all?
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:50:49am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:51:12am |
Here's some great news this morning!
Military jury finds Navy SEAL not guilty of Iraq charges
Baghdad, Iraq (CNN) -- A military jury found U.S. Navy Petty Officer 1st Class Julio Huertas not guilty of all charges, a military spokesman said Thursday.
The verdict came during a court-martial in which Huertas was accused of charges in connection with the mistreatment of a detainee.
At the court-martial, Iraqi Ahmed Hashim Abed testified Wednesday he was handcuffed, blindfolded and struck, a painful ordeal that ended after he pleaded for the beating to stop.
Abed is thought by U.S. authorities to be the mastermind in the slayings and mutilation of four U.S. contractors in Falluja, Iraq, in 2004, one of the war's most notorious crimes against Americans. He accused Huertas and two other Navy SEALs -- Petty Officer 2nd Class Jonathan Keefe and Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe -- of assaulting him while he was detained.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:52:29am |
re: #315 reloadingisnotahobby
FTFY
Hmm, I think even the UN Peacekeeper could kick a Stormtroopers ass.
Damn you, Lucas!
:(
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:54:31am |
re: #314 iceweasel
I just don't think it'll work like they think it'll work.
I think they are just as wrong on these projections as they are on every other projection that they make.
I hope I am dead wrong.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:54:48am |
Georgia confirms highly enriched uranium seizure
NEW YORK – Georgia's president said his country had seized a shipment of highly enriched uranium, blaming Russia for creating the instability that allows nuclear smugglers to operate in the region.
Russia dismissed the claims Thursday and said Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili's comments were "unsubstantiated" and amounted to propaganda.
Saakashvili gave few details of the seizure during an interview Wednesday with The Associated Press, saying only that the uranium was intercepted last month coming into his country in the Caucasus region of southeast Europe.
The Georgian Interior Ministry said a group of foreign nationals had been detained, and the uranium was in a secure location.
The head of Georgia's nuclear safety agency, Zaal Lomatadze, told AP Television News in Tbilisi that the "organized group of people tried to smuggle in a small amount of enriched uranium with the purpose of selling it to a would-be buyer."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:55:09am |
re: #317 Varek Raith
Hmm, I think even the UN Peacekeeper could kick a Stormtroopers ass.
Damn you, Lucas!
:(
Did you notice? Orc's go down pretty easy too.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:55:21am |
re: #314 iceweasel
Yes, that's my point. So what's the problem, in principle, with covering more people? Especially since it will pring down costs for all?
qst off, I'm not sure how adding more people that don't have the ability to pay will bring down costs for everyone. Seems to me as if there are 10 people paying for a buffet, and 3 more come in that can't pay and need to eat one of two things has to happen
Either those that can pay will have to pay more or all 13 will get a little less than if there were 10.
As FBV stated, "widders n' orfins" MUST be taken care of by a caring civil society, but if this is going to be a "right" ( as the proponents have labeled it) why not make it just like every othre 'right" we have in this country?
I have the right of free assembly, but if I choose to not go to the demonstration I don't get fined
I have the right to own a gun, but if I choose not to have one I don't get fined
I have the right to free speech, but if I choose to remain silent I don't get fined!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:57:23am |
re: #319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I just don't think it'll work like they think it'll work.
I think they are just as wrong on these projections as they are on every other projection that they make.
I hope I am dead wrong.
from my 322
Seems to me as if there are 10 people paying for a buffet, and 3 more come in that can't pay and need to eat one of two things has to happen
Either those that can pay will have to pay more or all 13 will get a little less than if there were 10.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:58:51am |
re: #312 NJDhockeyfan
I missed that one. I don't think I want to know what that is.
This is a facebook post, based on a similar one that was sent out in New Jersey by a tolerant Teacher Union Type...
DEAR LORD, THIS YEAR YOU TOOK MY FAVORITE ACTOR, PATRICK SWAYZIE. YOU TOOK MY FAVORITE ACTRESS, FARAH FAWCETT. YOU TOOK MY FAVORITE SINGER, MICHAEL JACKSON. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, MY FAVORITE PRESIDENT IS BARACK OBAMA. AMEN.
I was truly offended both times... this person got a piece of my mind... and the delete friend stick.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:59:35am |
re: #322 sattv4u2
qst off, I'm not sure how adding more people that don't have the ability to pay will bring down costs for everyone. Seems to me as if there are 10 people paying for a buffet, and 3 more come in that can't pay and need to eat one of two things has to happen
Either those that can pay will have to pay more or all 13 will get a little less than if there were 10.
As FBV stated, "widders n' orfins" MUST be taken care of by a caring civil society, but if this is going to be a "right" ( as the proponents have labeled it) why not make it just like every othre 'right" we have in this country?
I have the right of free assembly, but if I choose to not go to the demonstration I don't get fined
I have the right to own a gun, but if I choose not to have one I don't get fined
I have the right to free speech, but if I choose to remain silent I don't get fined!
Your premise is predicated on a falsehood right off the bat - you said, "I'm not sure how adding more people that don't have the ability to pay..."
No one's talking about adding people that don't have the ability to pay anything at all - they already have something for those people; it's called medicaid - we're talking about people who can't afford to pay absurdly high premiums that go up every single year.
It all boils down to you either pay higher taxes and more people will be covered, or you pay higher premiums to the insurance companies.
At least this way you won't get cut off mid-chemo.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:00:10am |
re: #314 iceweasel
Goodmorning,
I'm not sure I understand the Question,If the Pizza parlor down the road will GIVE away a Pizza to every
third person that walks in the door.....
Three things will happen!
A.The parlor will be in bankrupcy in weeks!
B.The sap that is NOT the third person in the door pays MORE!
C.Or they will be giving/selling away really SHITTY Pizza!
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:01:07am |
re: #248 Sigma_x
The thing I find the most ironic is that if Jesus came back and were around today, there'd be posters of him done up to look like the joker, he'd be called a socialist/fascist by Beck, Hannity would be questioning his associates, etc. etc.
Can't exactly picture him being embraced by the right.
He'd be painted as an antiwar peacenik nut and Commie/UN lover. Love thine enemy? Like that'd ever fly. His associations with prostitutes and criminals would be considered proof of corruption, and his rhetoric against the rich would be trumpeted as unAmerican, anticapitalist swill. And turning the moneychangers out of the temple? Leftist violence.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:01:31am |
Adm. Mullen Evades Answer on Shooting Down IAF Jet
The Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, evaded a question Tuesday regarding the theoretical possibility that the US would shoot down IAF jets en route to attack Iran.
The Weekly Standard reported that in a town hall meeting on the campus of the University of West Virginia, a US Air Force ROTC cadet asked Mullen to respond to a hypothetical situation: if Israel decided to attack Iran, he said, its jets would need to fly through Iraqi airspace, which is considered a “no-fly” zone by the American military. Would US troops shoot down the Israeli jets, the airman asked, if they entered that zone?
Mullen evaded the question. “We have an exceptionally strong relationship with Israel,” he said. “I’ve spent a lot of time with my counterpart in Israel. So we also have a very clear understanding of where we are. And beyond that, I just wouldn’t get into the speculation of what might happen and who might do what. I don’t think it serves a purpose, frankly,” he said. “I am hopeful that this will be resolved in a way where we never have to answer a question like that.”
The cadet insisted: “Would an airman like me ever be ordered to fire on an Israeli aircraft or personnel?”
Mullen still would not answer directly. “Again, I wouldn’t move out into the future very far from here,” he said. “They’re an extraordinarily close ally, have been for a long time, and will be in the future.”
Mullen, appearing in a forum at Columbia University on Sunday, equated the danger of a nuclear Iran with the danger of an attack on it. ""I worry . . . about striking Iran. I've been very public about that because of the unintended consequences.I think Iran having a nuclear weapon would be incredibly destabilizing. I think attacking them would also create the same kind of outcome," He did not mention the added danger to Israel of a nuclear Iran that has vowed publicly to destroy the Jewish State.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:01:47am |
re: #325 Sigma_x
You do know that the government insurances have been found to be more generous with the "cut off funds during chemo" stick than the private insurance companies.
Oh, sorry... I forgot the requisite...
DEATH PANELS! eleventy!
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:03:13am |
re: #327 Renaissance_Man
He'd be painted as an antiwar peacenik nut and Commie/UN lover. Love thine enemy? Like that'd ever fly. His associations with prostitutes and criminals would be considered proof of corruption, and his rhetoric against the rich would be trumpeted as unAmerican, anticapitalist swill. And turning the moneychangers out of the temple? Leftist violence.
re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You do know that the government insurances have been found to be more generous with the "cut off funds during chemo" stick than the private insurance companies.
Oh, sorry... I forgot the requisite...
DEATH PANELS! eleventy!
Show me statistics from a reliable source that can back that up and I'll believe you.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:03:20am |
re: #325 Sigma_x
At least this way you won't get cut off mid-chemo.
They just won't start your sorry ass...
/
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:03:35am |
re: #325 Sigma_x
Your premise is predicated on a falsehood right off the bat - you said, "I'm not sure how adding more people that don't have the ability to pay..."
No one's talking about adding people that don't have the ability to pay anything at all - they already have something for those people; it's called medicaid - we're talking about people who can't afford to pay absurdly high premiums that go up every single year.
Ianies.t all boils down to you either pay higher taxes and more people will be covered, or you pay higher premiums to the insurance comp
At least this way you won't get cut off mid-chemo.
Too bad you missed my #309 before jumping!
As to the rest of your post,
It all boils down to you either pay higher taxes and more people will be covered, or you pay higher premiums to the insurance companies.
I thought this leg was supposed to REDUCE how much I pay !?!?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:05:19am |
re: #330 Sigma_x
I saw a pretty detailed report on it the other day... watch me not be able to find it. Of course if I can't, I would have been guilty of bad thing...
Thanks for calling me on it. I'm going hunting...
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:06:08am |
re: #322 sattv4u2
qst off, I'm not sure how adding more people that don't have the ability to pay will bring down costs for everyone. Seems to me as if there are 10 people paying for a buffet, and 3 more come in that can't pay and need to eat one of two things has to happen
Either those that can pay will have to pay more or all 13 will get a little less than if there were 10.
As FBV stated, "widders n' orfins" MUST be taken care of by a caring civil society, but if this is going to be a "right" ( as the proponents have labeled it) why not make it just like every othre 'right" we have in this country?
I have the right of free assembly, but if I choose to not go to the demonstration I don't get fined
I have the right to own a gun, but if I choose not to have one I don't get fined
I have the right to free speech, but if I choose to remain silent I don't get fined!
Well, you're smart enough to know that it isn't like the other rights you listed, which are the rights to do something-- if you want to.
Health care isn't like that, anymore than the police department is something you only pay into 'when you need it', or roads, or good schools, etc.
We're talking about the widder and the orfin, and the disabled person, the suddenly unemployed, and most of all we're talking about the current state of health insurance in the US-- it's set up to protect and benefit health insurance companies.
That's wrong. Even McCain had to promise HCR, you know-- why? Because we have so many medical bankruptcies; so many people who worked their whole lives and lost coverage due to some ins co bs about a 'pre existing condition', and more.
I don't see a point to fighting this battle again, especially as we've enacted HCR. The question I still have is, what is the problem, in principle, for US conservatives with HCR?
I'm giving the benefit of the doubt here-- I am assuming there is some principle, somewhere, that would explain why Obamacare!1! is wrong but RomneyCare was right!1! Etc.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:07:13am |
re: #332 sattv4u2
Okay, I just saw post # 309 of yours, and point taken. Exsqueeze me.
But then you still came out and used, as part of your argument, the idea that the H.C. bill is somehow designed to include/cover people that "can't pay anything." So, in my eyes, anyway, you kinda contradicted yourself.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:08:37am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:08:54am |
re: #336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
(they underestimated the cost)... sorry..
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:09:22am |
re: #326 reloadingisnotahobby
Goodmorning,
I'm not sure I understand the Question,If the Pizza parlor down the road will GIVE away a Pizza to every
third person that walks in the door...
...The pizza parlor will continue to be a really bad analogy for US HCR.
Next?
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:09:33am |
re: #322 sattv4u2
qst off, I'm not sure how adding more people that don't have the ability to pay will bring down costs for everyone. Seems to me as if there are 10 people paying for a buffet, and 3 more come in that can't pay and need to eat one of two things has to happen
Adding more people to the pool of those who pay premiums into health care is only the first step. The theory is, of course, that adding more people in who are paying even a little spreads the risk over a larger number of people, and thus softens the financial burden when one or two get sick.
However, as I say, it is only the first step. The second must be to directly bring down costs. And the proven way to do that is to use collective bargaining power - an economy of scale. Simply put, use the vast purchasing power of hundreds of millions of 'customers' (ie. the entire population) to negotiate lower prices on health care costs. Currently, Medicare and Medicaid are forbidden to negotiate lower prices. That's right - they're forbidden to use this basic free-market principle. Remove that and other barriers to lower prices, and health care costs come down for everyone, not just those on Medicare and Medicaid. It's a no brainer. It curbs government spending, it lowers public health care costs, it improves public health.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:10:16am |
re: #336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Romney care was wrong.
The underestimated the cost.
What a surprise.
Don't worry...we can pay for ObamaCare by raising taxes plus adding a VAT tax.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:10:19am |
re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Can you cite something showing that?
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Ericus58 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:10:44am |
re: #328 NJDhockeyfan
Zbig Brzezinski: Shoot Down Israeli Planes if They Attack Iran
[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]
.....
"Brzezinski was a top candidate to become an official advisor to President Obama, but he was downgraded after Republican and pro-Israel Democratic charges during the campaign that Brzezinski’s anti-Israel attitude would damage Obama at the polls."
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:10:46am |
re: #327 Renaissance_Man
He'd be painted as an antiwar peacenik nut and Commie/UN lover. Love thine enemy? Like that'd ever fly. His associations with prostitutes and criminals would be considered proof of corruption, and his rhetoric against the rich would be trumpeted as unAmerican, anticapitalist swill. And turning the moneychangers out of the temple? Leftist violence.
That's my point exactly - the right wing trots out Jesus at every opportunity, and you have idiots like Palin who are either deliberately twisting history to try and insinuate that the Founding Fathers never intended for the separation of Church and State to go as far as it has, or are just plain stupid, and want to have America transition to Christian Sharia Law. It's the DEPTH of their stupidity that I find frightening.
And, plus, you're right - Jesus hung out with 12 dudes and a prostitute - I really doubt Hannity would have him as a guest on his Great American Panel.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:12:07am |
Good grief, we are not going to shoot down IAF planes.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:12:58am |
re: #336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Romney care was wrong.
The underestimated the cost.
What a surprise.
Was it wrong? Did the people who ragged on Obama's HCR think it was wrong?
No, they didn't. Until it was labelled ObamaCare and not RomneyCare.
Shit, Romney's potential POTUS bids are completely fucked. He's not even under the bus, he's been run over and is now wrapped around the right rear wheel flapping-- and he'll be there for as long as the GOP wants to run on attacking or repealing 'ObamaCare'.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:13:30am |
.re: #330 Sigma_x
It was attached to this story... I can only find the story..
April 10, 2010
FORT LAUDERDALE (CBS4) ― A woman battling a cancer battle was dealt a surprise blow by Uncle Sam this month.
Diana Smith has gone through six months of radiation and chemotherapy — one week out of every month. She is in remission and had a donor for a transplant; being in remission is prerequisite for the transplant.
But her hopes of receiving the transplant were dashed in March, when she says, the Social Security Administration contacted her –without her soliciting it — and told her that her three year-old son was entitled to receive Social Security disability payments. Even though she didn’t ask for it, she signed the form and received her son’s first check check.
In April, Medicaid canceled her universal health care policy because her income level had risen with her son’s payments – making her ineligible for the insurance program.
The problem is Jackson Memorial Hospital cannot provide the procedure because the risk is too high. The universal policy from Medicaid helps shield the hospital from liability in this kind of case. Without it, they are subject to liability issues.
Even though Smith offered to cancel her son’s disability benefits, she was told it’s too late.
"She’s gone through six months worth of radiation and chemo, her body can’t take anymore. If they don’t allow her to have this transplant coming up right now next week, they’re in effect signing her death warrant," said her friend Tom Noonan.
"I want to live to see my son grow up and get on with my life," Smith told CBS4’s Ted Scouten.
As a result of the WFOR CBS 4 report, State Sen. Dave Aronberg is prepared to take action over the weekend. Social Security officials are also looking into the case to make the surgery happen on Tuesday as had been planned.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:15:27am |
re: #346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Uh, that sucks and all, but it doesn't in the least bit show what you said.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:15:39am |
re: #345 iceweasel
I disagree. I think if he says (I'm paraphrasing)
WHAT THE FUCK WAS I THINKING?!
It'll go a long way.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:15:40am |
re: #334 iceweasel
Why hang Romeny Care around my neck? You're pre-supposing i'm a proponent of it. Not having lived in Mass for over 11 years now, I had not studied it then nor since. I will tell you family and freinds I still have there seem to be disapointed. That includes but is not limited too my 85 y/o parents
I have also never stated that the health insurance system nor the health care industry (two different things, btw) in this country is perfect and couldn't have used a tweak and a fidget and a new can of paint. But just like when I get a flat tire and need an oil change, I don't go and buy a new car. I fix the one that I have that (besides the flat and old oil and faded paint) was otherwise pretty good
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Locker Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:16:00am |
Did anyone see something small, furry and frozen run through here? Thought I saw something for a minute...
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:16:05am |
re: #346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
.
It was attached to this story... I can only find the story..
April 10, 2010
FORT LAUDERDALE (CBS4) ― A woman battling a cancer battle was dealt a surprise blow by Uncle Sam this month.
Diana Smith has gone through six months of radiation and chemotherapy — one week out of every month. She is in remission and had a donor for a transplant; being in remission is prerequisite for the transplant.
But her hopes of receiving the transplant were dashed in March, when she says, the Social Security Administration contacted her –without her soliciting it — and told her that her three year-old son was entitled to receive Social Security disability payments. Even though she didn’t ask for it, she signed the form and received her son’s first check check.
In April, Medicaid canceled her universal health care policy because her income level had risen with her son’s payments – making her ineligible for the insurance program.
The problem is Jackson Memorial Hospital cannot provide the procedure because the risk is too high. The universal policy from Medicaid helps shield the hospital from liability in this kind of case. Without it, they are subject to liability issues.
Even though Smith offered to cancel her son’s disability benefits, she was told it’s too late.
"She’s gone through six months worth of radiation and chemo, her body can’t take anymore. If they don’t allow her to have this transplant coming up right now next week, they’re in effect signing her death warrant," said her friend Tom Noonan.
"I want to live to see my son grow up and get on with my life," Smith told CBS4’s Ted Scouten.
As a result of the WFOR CBS 4 report, State Sen. Dave Aronberg is prepared to take action over the weekend. Social Security officials are also looking into the case to make the surgery happen on Tuesday as had been planned.
Yeah, I saw that, and it's horrible, and the right has been jumping all over that and showcasing it over and over to show the evils of Government having any hand whatsoever in health care.
But, I'm sorry, that's doesn't exactly prove that you're more likely to be cut off from treatment by the Government than by an insurance co.
Someone really should do a study on the subject.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:16:27am |
re: #348 Obdicut
I said, check my 333... I'm hunting... and will look foolish if I can't find it. I know that...
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:17:23am |
re: #294 Mad Al-Jaffee
Every night you come into my room
And pin me down with your strong arms
You pin me down, and I try to fight you
You come inside me
You fill me up
And I become the Night Man...
Whatever floats your boat.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:17:35am |
South Korean ship ‘hit by North Korean torpedo’
The South Korean naval ship sunk last month was hit by a North Korean torpedo, according to reports today.
The claim will heap more pressure on Lee Myung Bak, the South Korean President, to respond to one of the worst military acts of provocation since the Korean War.
The South Korean Defence Ministry declined to comment on the claim by the Yonhap news agency, the latest in a series of reports suggesting that the mysterious sinking of the naval corvette, Cheonan, last month was a deliberate and unprovoked attack by North Korea.
Forty-six sailors are dead or missing after the attack, which cut the 1,200 tonne vessel in two.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:17:41am |
re: #335 Sigma_x
Okay, I just saw post # 309 of yours, and point taken. Exsqueeze me.
But then you still came out and used, as part of your argument, the idea that the H.C. bill is somehow designed to include/cover people that "can't pay anything." So, in my eyes, anyway, you kinda contradicted yourself.
I contradicted myself because I said we already have a system in place that takes care of the indigent so a new plan that takes care of them is uneeded??
I already have shoes on. I don't have to put another pair on!
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:18:38am |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
True... I think that giving voluntarily makes a cheerful giver, my largess having to be wrestled out of me with threats of prison, etc... not so much.
I am pretty generous (but I do write off my donations).
re: #288 Sigma_x
There are many who assert that the "eye of a needle" is a low gate. A camel can get through it, but it ain't easy.
Poor guy's gotta bust his hump to do it.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:18:43am |
I think me and FBV are the only "It's Only Sunny" fans here. (judging by reactions to our lyrics posts.)
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:18:55am |
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:19:23am |
re: #356 sattv4u2
I contradicted myself because I said we already have a system in place that takes care of the indigent so a new plan that takes care of them is uneeded??
I already have shoes on. I don't have to put another pair on!
But the health care bill is NOT designed to take care of the indigent, is my point. The indigent wouldn't be any more able to pay for private insurance under this bill than they than would have otherwise.
It's for people who, shall we say, struggle to pay the absurd premiums charged by insurance co.'s.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:19:43am |
re: #339 Renaissance_Man
The second must be to directly bring down costs. And the proven way to do that is to use collective bargaining power - an economy of scale. Simply put, use the vast purchasing power of hundreds of millions of 'customers'
GREAT ,, then you agreed with the repubs plan to eliminate cross state roadblocks in buying!
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:19:50am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:20:16am |
re: #350 sattv4u2
Why hang Romeny Care around my neck? You're pre-supposing i'm a proponent of it.
Not at all. I'm doing you the favour of presupposing that you would be consistent-- and therefore have been an opponent of RomneyCare.
Actually, I'm not supposing anything about your own views at all here-- I'm alluding to the conservative pundits and thinkers who were all "blah blah Obamacare DeATh PaneL blah" -- when they looooved Romney's plan, which is highly similar to HCR.
My real question is, What is the problem with covering more people? Why is this a bad thing for conservatives?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:20:16am |
re: #2 darthstar
He was goofy-footed...I can't stand those people...they're always stepping on other people's skis.
Don't worry. I may lean right intellectually, but i put my left foot forward on a snowboard like a sensible human being should.../
(good morning, lizards)
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prairiefire Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:21:00am |
Internal RNC probe finds financial disarray:[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:21:29am |
re: #360 Sigma_x
But the health care bill is NOT designed to take care of the indigent, is my point. The indigent wouldn't be any more able to pay for private insurance under this bill than they than would have otherwise.
It's for people who, shall we say, struggle to pay the absurd premiums charged by insurance co.'s.
In othre words,. for those that can no longer afford it
BUT ,, BUT ,, Obama told us it's going to bring EVERYONES costs down ,, BUT ,, BUT ,, you're telling us either costs OR taxes go UP (because we're now paying for those that can't afford it)!!?!?
Im confused !
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Locker Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:22:21am |
re: #367 sattv4u2
In othre words,. for those that can no longer afford it
BUT ,, BUT ,, Obama told us it's going to bring EVERYONES costs down ,, BUT ,, BUT ,, you're telling us either costs OR taxes go UP (because we're now paying for those that can't afford it)!!?!?
Im confused !
You are confused because you are making shit up. Makes it a lot harder.
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prairiefire Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:22:28am |
re: #358 Mad Al-Jaffee
I think me and FBV are the only "It's Only Sunny" fans here. (judging by reactions to our lyrics posts.)
I think it is a very funny show. However, there are only so many hours in the day. It would probably be a good one to rent back seasons.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:22:29am |
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:22:31am |
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:22:35am |
re: #350 sattv4u2
I have also never stated that the health insurance system nor the health care industry (two different things, btw) in this country is perfect and couldn't have used a tweak and a fidget and a new can of paint. But just like when I get a flat tire and need an oil change, I don't go and buy a new car. I fix the one that I have that (besides the flat and old oil and faded paint) was otherwise pretty good
To use this analogy, health care in the US is not like an old car that just needs a new tyre and a coat of paint. Health care is like a car that only takes one member of your family where he needs to go, and refuses to let the kids even get in the back seat. And if someone sits in the passenger's seat, he gets dropped off halfway between home and his destination because the risk is too great to carry multiple people inside.
Furthermore, gas for this car costs $375 a gallon, because that's what the petroleum companies have decided you should pay. And you can only get your car serviced at one of two licensed dealers, with no ability to shop around for a lower price, so each service costs you $10,000.
Get a new car.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:22:42am |
re: #363 iceweasel
Not at all. I'm doing you the favour of presupposing that you would be consistent-- and therefore have been an opponent of RomneyCare.
Actually, I'm not supposing anything about your own views at all here-- I'm alluding to the conservative pundits and thinkers who were all "blah blah Obamacare DeATh PaneL blah" -- when they loooved Romney's plan, which is highly similar to HCR.
My real question is, What is the problem with covering more people? Why is this a bad thing for conservatives?
Ajnd again, I have no problem with "covering more people" I just beleive we already have system(s) in place that do that, statewide AND federal
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:24:15am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:24:16am |
re: #373 Renaissance_Man
To use this analogy, health care in the US is not like an old car that just needs a new tyre and a coat of paint. Health care is like a car that only takes one member of your family where he needs to go, and refuses to let the kids even get in the back seat. And if someone sits in the passenger's seat, he gets dropped off halfway between home and his destination because the risk is too great to carry multiple people inside.
Furthermore, gas for this car costs $375 a gallon, because that's what the petroleum companies have decided you should pay. And you can only get your car serviced at one of two licensed dealers, with no ability to shop around for a lower price, so each service costs you $10,000.
Get a new car.
So again, you agree with the repub proposal for portability/ cross state lines!
thanks
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:24:17am |
re: #356 sattv4u2
My wife has to pay (and by that I mean I have to pay) almost $300 dollars a month for insurance for her, because of some bullshit pre-existing condition that's not really a condition at all.
A family of 4 making $40K a year, with a mortgage and cost of living, would have a very hard time being able to pay that.
Now they won't. It's as simple as that.
But they wouldn't be considered indigent.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:24:30am |
re: #370 prairiefire
I think it is a very funny show. However, there are only so many hours in the day. It would probably be a good one to rent back seasons.
I didn't know much about it until I started watching the first two seasons on dvd. After watching a few episodes, I cancelled the rest of the discs from Netflix and bought that set. It's one of the funniest shows on tv.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:25:07am |
re: #369 Locker
You are confused because you are making shit up. Makes it a lot harder.
What am I "making up" ?!?!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:25:15am |
re: #345 iceweasel
Was it wrong? Did the people who ragged on Obama's HCR think it was wrong?
No, they didn't. Until it was labelled ObamaCare and not RomneyCare.
For the record, most conservatives ragged on RomneyCare, if the op-ed pages of the WSJ are a representative example.
It's not bad to cover more uninsured. It's bad to be starry-eyed about the costs of doing so.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:26:12am |
re: #359 Varek Raith
I had figured as much.
I think most people thought that. The other excuse floating around was they hit a mine left over from the Korean war. I thought that was too far fetched.
This is interesting...
A source tells AsiaNews, “North Korea has a team of kamikaze on manned torpedoes, trained to attack South Korean warships. However, the United States hopes that the North can be brought back to the nuclear disarmament table. For this reason, no formal charges will be made.”
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:26:49am |
re: #377 Sigma_x
My wife has to pay (and by that I mean I have to pay) almost $300 dollars a month for insurance for her, because of some bullshit pre-existing condition that's not really a condition at all.
A family of 4 making $40K a year, with a mortgage and cost of living, would have a very hard time being able to pay that.
Now they won't. It's as simple as that.
But they wouldn't be considered indigent.
But they would be covered by existing gov't programs
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:28:27am |
re: #376 sattv4u2
So again, you agree with the repub proposal for portability/ cross state lines!
thanks
I do.
However, Republicans (and Democrats too) would not agree to the other things that must be done, which are to create a national pharmacy and a national public health care plan that supplements, but does not replace, private health insurance. And to then use these nationalised plans to force lowering of costs, thus reducing government spending and health care waste, but also eating into the profits of health insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies and forcing a heavy revamp of their business models.
And that's too bad.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:28:49am |
re: #383 sattv4u2
Doubtful. I'm not sure, but I really do think that $40K a year disqualifies you from receiving medicaid.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:30:28am |
re: #388 Sigma_x
Doubtful. I'm not sure, but I really do think that $40K a year disqualifies you from receiving medicaid.
depends on several factors, not just gross household income
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:31:55am |
re: #379 Sigma_x
Very noble of you, sir.
What's noble about making a claim that you can't back up with facts. I feel like an idiot...
Funny thing? My finger paused over the post button, with my brain thinking... "back it up back it up!" thumb engaged without consulting the brain.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:32:12am |
re: #390 sattv4u2
depends on several factors, not just gross household income
Found this.
"... certain requirements must be met. These may include your age, whether you are pregnant, disabled, blind, or aged; your income and resources (like bank accounts, real property, or other items that can be sold for cash... "
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:32:46am |
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:33:08am |
re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What's noble about making a claim that you can't back up with facts. I feel like an idiot...
Funny thing? My finger paused over the post button, with my brain thinking... "back it up back it up!" thumb engaged without consulting the brain.
To so boldly and quickly man-up to it.
That's what was noble of you.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:34:21am |
re: #387 Renaissance_Man
I do.
However, Republicans (and Democrats too) would not agree to the other things that must be done, which are to create a national pharmacy and a national public health care plan that supplements, but does not replace, private health insurance. And to then use these nationalised plans to force lowering of costs, thus reducing government spending and health care waste, but also eating into the profits of health insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies and forcing a heavy revamp of their business models.
And that's too bad.
While you're at it, why don't you rag on the regulatory process that is more disliked by physicians than the new HCR bill, adding unnecessary millions to the cost of the development of drugs?
And by the way, "lower costs" of drugs through centralized purchasing is no panacea. Other countries get the illusion of lower costs through centralized purchasing because the drug companies charge us more...how 'bout regulations against selling drugs for less to foreign citizens than they do to American citizens, as long as you're on a regulatory tear?
Or am i ruining the partisan streak that you're on?
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:34:29am |
re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If you're looking for penance, read Atul Gawande's book "Better", about improving health care-- not from primarily a legislative angle, either.
Of course, it's not much of a penance, since it's a great book, but I don't think saying something and then immediately acknowledging you were mistaken is a very terrible offense.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:35:10am |
re: #388 Sigma_x
Doubtful. I'm not sure, but I really do think that $40K a year disqualifies you from receiving medicaid.
take your own advice...look it up and get back to us. i think with a spouse and 2 kids, you get medicaid.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:38:54am |
And on that note,, I have a work report due before I leave (in 20 minutes)
BTW ,, , LOCKER ,,, still waiting for you to tell the class what I "made up"
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:39:04am |
re: #397 Obdicut
Well, in my defense, I didn't say I was mistaken (I don't think) I just couldn't find the citation... which, well... yeah... is saying I'm mistaken...
Now watch me find it on "whyihatebarackobamaandeverythinghestandsfor.com" or a credible source like that.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:39:44am |
re: #381 Aceofwhat?
For the record, most conservatives ragged on RomneyCare, if the op-ed pages of the WSJ are a representative example.
It's not bad to cover more uninsured. It's bad to be starry-eyed about the costs of doing so.
Right. Who is being 'starry-eyed' about the cost?
For the record, 'most' conservatives were just fine with RomneyCare--in 2008.
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:40:28am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that some folks are discussing Zbig's asinine comments about shooting down IAF aircraft if they overfly Iraq on their way to deal with the Iranian nuke threat.
There are a couple of not so subtle messages there - and they reflect the audiences for which they were meant.
It was meant to reassure the Iraqis, Saudis and others that Israel wouldn't go off the handle and take on the Iranians - that the US could somehow constrain them.
It also was a not so subtle message to the Iranians that the US wasn't going to allow Israel pursue its own security objectives. It was also meant for domestic US consumption, and that the US was still trying to exert its influence on the region and with Israel - that we aren't going to tolerate Israel going and acting unilaterally.
Of course, this all is done out in the public eye, and the Iranians take away with the biggest prize - that the US seemingly isn't going to engage in a confrontation with Iran over its nuke program. Rather than trying to keep this in backchannels to coordinate efforts to stop Iran across the region (and Iranian nukes threaten not just Israel, but every other Sunni dominated country in the region), Zbig does what he's always done - run off at the mouth and made a bigger issue out of something that was better kept under wraps.
Anyone following the ME would know that the US tries to coordinate security matters with its allies in the region, including Israel. They want to try and contain Iran, and Israel going lone wolf on Iran would present all manner of difficulty - primarily because it would require flying through Arab airspace to do so (not that they hadn't done so before - Osirak 1981, but the difference is the vast difference in distance involved here) and with US aircraft in the air over Iraq.
No, what we need to keep in mind is that the US doesn't want Israel going lone wolf on Iran, but that we aren't going to tolerate an Iranian nuclear program. Taking the military option off the table emboldens the Iranians, particularly since the Iranians know that the Israelis might just do so. This calls for a strategy of ambiguity - not to let the Iranians know what will happen and leave the cards on the table rather than showing that we've got nothing but a crap hand.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:41:07am |
re: #398 Aceofwhat?
take your own advice...look it up and get back to us. i think with a spouse and 2 kids, you get medicaid.
Well, I could say the same thing to you, as you're the one making the claim that the H.C bill is designed to take money out of your pocket to pay for the indigent, even though the indigent already have programs in place to provide them with coverage.
If you you claim that medicaid already would cover a family of 4 making $40K a year, I think you should be the one to have to back it up with a reliable citation.
Call me crazy.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:44:29am |
re: #401 iceweasel
Right. Who is being 'starry-eyed' about the cost?
For the record, 'most' conservatives were just fine with RomneyCare--in 2008.
For the record, we were not. From the beginning. Want me to find you an old WSJ op-ed, or can we just presume that i read more conservative opinion and have my finger on that pulse?
And Congress is being starry-eyed about the cost. Did you see the assumptions they fed the CBO? i half-expected them to halve the population in their estimates due to global warming calamities...it would have been nearly as factual...
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:45:31am |
re: #403 Sigma_x
Well, I could say the same thing to you, as you're the one making the claim that the H.C bill is designed to take money out of your pocket to pay for the indigent, even though the indigent already have programs in place to provide them with coverage.
If you you claim that medicaid already would cover a family of 4 making $40K a year, I think you should be the one to have to back it up with a reliable citation.
Call me
crazylazy.
fixed.
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:45:42am |
re: #403 Sigma_x
Medicaid coverage depends on state rates. Here are the rates for NY.
State programs overlay and provide supplemental coverages above and beyond Medicaid. SCHIP is one such program, designed with those who have kids, as seen here with NY.
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mj Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:46:25am |
More threats of violence:
‘South Park’ Episode Is Altered After Muslim Group’s Warning
"An episode of “South Park” that continued a story line involving the Prophet Muhammad was shown Wednesday night on Comedy Central with audio bleeps and image blocks reading “CENSORED” after a Muslim group warned the show’s creators they could face violence for depicting that holy Islamic prophet. Revolution Muslim, a group based in New York, wrote on its Web site that the “South Park” creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker “will probably wind up like Theo Van Gogh” for an episode shown last week in which a character said to be the Prophet Muhammad was seen wearing a bear costume.."
[Link: artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com...]
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:48:49am |
For all you republicans out there - good news! - the stock market will most likely take a major dump over the next few months, just in time for you to hysterically cry out that the White House and the Democrat's economic policies are failing and will doom us to a Mad Max-type existence.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:49:15am |
re: #407 mj
More threats of violence:
‘South Park’ Episode Is Altered After Muslim Group’s Warning
[Link: artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com...]
Yes but Christians are just as bad because (fill in the blank)...
///
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:49:43am |
re: #407 mj
I watched it! The bleeping and censored blocks were actually funnier than if they had a picture of Mo on screen.
That's my opinion.
I'll bet "Revolution Muslim" doesn't agree with my assessment.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:49:52am |
re: #402 lawhawk
This seems to be the same thing that went on under Bush.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
White House officials never conclusively determined whether Israel had decided to go ahead with the strike before the United States protested, or whether Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel was trying to goad the White House into more decisive action before Mr. Bush left office. But the Bush administration was particularly alarmed by an Israeli request to fly over Iraq to reach Iran’s major nuclear complex at Natanz, where the country’s only known uranium enrichment plant is located.
The White House denied that request outright, American officials said, and the Israelis backed off their plans, at least temporarily.
...
The interviews also indicate that Mr. Bush was convinced by top administration officials, led by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, that any overt attack on Iran would probably prove ineffective, lead to the expulsion of international inspectors and drive Iran’s nuclear effort further out of view. Mr. Bush and his aides also discussed the possibility that an airstrike could ignite a broad Middle East war in which America’s 140,000 troops in Iraq would inevitably become involved.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:49:52am |
re: #407 mj
it turned out to be santa claus in the bear costume. it was hilarious.
they had Buddha doing coke at one point...Jesus tells him to lay off and he tells Jesus "but you're addicted to internet pr0n", to which Jesus replies (while surfing the net) that it's totally not the same thing.
LMAO...and I'm a Christian...
(note the absence of death threats from Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...)
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:49:54am |
re: #408 Sigma_x
For all you republicans out there - good news! - the stock market will most likely take a major dump over the next few months, just in time for you to hysterically cry out that the White House and the Democrat's economic policies are failing and will doom us to a Mad Max-type existence.
Why is bad economic news good news?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:50:07am |
re: #408 Sigma_x
For all you republicans out there - good news! - the stock market will most likely take a major dump over the next few months, just in time for you to hysterically cry out that the White House and the Democrat's economic policies are failing and will doom us to a Mad Max-type existence.
*Yawn*
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:51:02am |
re: #413 NJDhockeyfan
Why is bad economic news good news?
Because it'll most likely mean big gains in the House and the Senate for republicans, is why.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:51:09am |
re: #408 Sigma_x
For all you republicans out there - good news! - the stock market will most likely take a major dump over the next few months, just in time for you to hysterically cry out that the White House and the Democrat's economic policies are failing and will doom us to a Mad Max-type existence.
I don't know who you're talking about.
I'm not gonna be screeching hysterically about gloom and doom and Mad Max-type existence.
Why do you want to tell us to be hysterical?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:51:21am |
re: #408 Sigma_x
Why would I think that was good news?
If you think that Republicans en masse want a further financial calamity to hit our nation; you are dead frackin' wrong.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:51:38am |
re: #415 Sigma_x
Because it'll most likely mean big gains in the House and the Senate for republicans, is why.
that outcome is already expected.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:51:58am |
re: #417 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Why would I think that was good news?
If you think that Republicans en masse want a further financial calamity to hit our nation; you are dead frackin' wrong.
Abso-frackin'-lutely.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:52:12am |
re: #408 Sigma_x
Speaking of which, that stock you recommended buying has almost climbed back up to the same price that you recommended it at. A week after you said to buy it-- which is how long you said to keep it before selling-- it was below that price.
So your credibility on stock stuff is pretty low with me.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:52:17am |
re: #409 NJDhockeyfan
Yes but Christians are just as bad because (fill in the blank)...
///
Don't you remember all of the riots and beheadings over The Last Temptation of Christ?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:52:18am |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:52:27am |
re: #417 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Why would I think that was good news?
If you think that Republicans en masse want a further financial calamity to hit our nation; you are dead frackin' wrong.
eh, it makes for a clearer worldview to assume such simplistic and ill-intentioned motives on our part...
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:52:37am |
re: #417 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Why would I think that was good news?
If you think that Republicans en masse want a further financial calamity to hit our nation; you are dead frackin' wrong.
I don't think they want "further economic calamity." But I think if it happens that the stock market were to have a significant correction between now and November, they wouldn't be above exploiting it to the fullest in order to win elections.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:52:38am |
re: #415 Sigma_x
Because it'll most likely mean big gains in the House and the Senate for republicans, is why.
That's a fucking stupid comment. Nobody want the economy to tank for any reason.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:52:43am |
re: #404 Aceofwhat?
For the record, we were not. From the beginning. Want me to find you an old WSJ op-ed, or can we just presume that i read more conservative opinion and have my finger on that pulse?
NO, 'we' cannot presume that.
Sorry, pal. I read extremely widely on both sides of the aisle. That would be the reason why I'm here.
As in, it would be the reason why I, an 'extreme lefty' by then-current LGF standards last year -- and rather outspoken, by any standards anywhere-- have been posting on LGF all that time.
No, you can't presume that.
BTW, you're wrong.
Feel free to dig up any OpEd you like from the WSJ.
You'll still be wrong, and if you read more widely generally you'd have seen the many, many pieces in the last month making fun of all the conservatards who are just now finding reasons to not like RomneyCare-- or, more accurately, to pretend that it is OH SO TOTALLY DIFFRENT N SOCIALISTIC when it's Dem HCR.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:53:27am |
re: #420 Obdicut
Speaking of which, that stock you recommended buying has almost climbed back up to the same price that you recommended it at. A week after you said to buy it-- which is how long you said to keep it before selling-- it was below that price.
So your credibility on stock stuff is pretty low with me.
and aren't you also a pathetic stalker with no life? or was that me? i have a hard time keeping up with the intellectual elites...just a dumb MBA over here...
| 428 |
Renaissance_Man Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:54:05am |
re: #396 Aceofwhat?
While you're at it, why don't you rag on the regulatory process that is more disliked by physicians than the new HCR bill, adding unnecessary millions to the cost of the development of drugs?
And by the way, "lower costs" of drugs through centralized purchasing is no panacea. Other countries get the illusion of lower costs through centralized purchasing because the drug companies charge us more...how 'bout regulations against selling drugs for less to foreign citizens than they do to American citizens, as long as you're on a regulatory tear?
Or am i ruining the partisan streak that you're on?
I am advocating for improved health care and a superior system. This is not a partisan issue, and it has nothing to do with party lines. The Republican proposals of tort reform and allowing health insurance competition are good ones. They should be done. However, those ideas don't do a whole lot to reduce health care costs, and do nothing to expand health coverage. Therefore they cannot be the end of health care reform.
The regulatory process is a Byzantine one, and should be streamlined. However, it's a tough call to make, because in theory at least, any reduction in quality control and product testing has a risk, even if vanishingly small, of allowing an unsafe product through. And when you're talking about drugs, the consequences of that are very serious indeed. I don't know the exact answer there - however, I am sure there is a way to streamline the process that does not compromise public safety. I know from speaking to those who do this kind of thing that they prefer the European model for testing drugs - apparently it is a more efficient and less hidebound version.
And yes, other countries pay less for drugs through their national pharmacies, and Big Pharma then screws the US market with higher prices. They do it because they can. And this avenue should be closed to them. The US is by far their most lucrative market, and not because of the usurious prices they're allowed to charge - because it's the largest customer pool with the highest standard of living, and thus the best market for drugs.
If the US created a national pharmacy (and people who do this sort of thing tell me that such a thing will occur, inevitably, in the next decade or so), it would be a serious blow to pharmaceutical company profits. That's too bad. I have no sympathy for Big Pharma. Their business practices are, quite frankly, evil. They aren't going to go out of business by having to slash their marketing budget. They aren't going to suddenly stop researching new drugs, because frankly they don't do that now. They aren't going to stop producing cheap drugs that benefit the majority of the public, because frankly they don't do that now either. But there will still be profits to be made in pharmaceuticals. Pharmaceuticals will not end overnight if the US cash cow is cut off. And the citizens of America will be the better off for it.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:54:08am |
re: #420 Obdicut
Speaking of which, that stock you recommended buying has almost climbed back up to the same price that you recommended it at. A week after you said to buy it-- which is how long you said to keep it before selling-- it was below that price.
So your credibility on stock stuff is pretty low with me.
You are absolutely full of shit, is what you are.
I recommend the stock last Friday, when it was at 19. Yesterday it hit 24.50, intraday. Today it's at 23.
Why lie?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:54:33am |
re: #424 Sigma_x
I don't think they want "further economic calamity." But I think if it happens that the stock market were to have a significant correction between now and November, they wouldn't be above exploiting it to the fullest in order to win elections.
And . . . politicians exploiting events to win elections is different from politicians exploiting events to win elections . . . how, exactly?
| 431 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:54:47am |
re: #416 reine.de.tout
Toots? Prayers to the folks out there on those platforms.
It's easy to forget how dangerous those jobs can be.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:55:08am |
re: #429 Sigma_x
And that's DESPITE the broader indexes going down.
Man you just solidified your stupidity with me. Not that I needed any further proof.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:55:25am |
re: #426 iceweasel
NO, 'we' cannot presume that.
Sorry, pal. I read extremely widely on both sides of the aisle. That would be the reason why I'm here.
As in, it would be the reason why I, an 'extreme lefty' by then-current LGF standards last year -- and rather outspoken, by any standards anywhere-- have been posting on LGF all that time.No, you can't presume that.
BTW, you're wrong.
Feel free to dig up any OpEd you like from the WSJ.
You'll still be wrong, and if you read more widely generally you'd have seen the many, many pieces in the last month making fun of all the conservatards who are just now finding reasons to not like RomneyCare-- or, more accurately, to pretend that it is OH SO TOTALLY DIFFRENT N SOCIALISTIC when it's Dem HCR.
Wait - so i can dig up whatever i want and it won't be enough to convince you that the bulk of conservative economic opinion was that RomneyCare was far, far underpriced?
So we're back to my word against yours?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:55:48am |
re: #426 iceweasel
and the WSJ was an example. don't worry...it's not all that i read.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:56:10am |
re: #431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Toots? Prayers to the folks out there on those platforms.
It's easy to forget how dangerous those jobs can be.
{FBV}
Thanks.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:57:59am |
re: #420 Obdicut
Speaking of which, that stock you recommended buying has almost climbed back up to the same price that you recommended it at. A week after you said to buy it-- which is how long you said to keep it before selling-- it was below that price.
So your credibility on stock stuff is pretty low with me.
Oh my God - your post is so full of shit I don't know where to start. I said NOTHING that you claimed I said.
I posted it on Friday, when it was at 19, and said to hold it for a month, not a week.
It's already up 25% from where I suggested people buy.
You're a 14K gold plated moron. And now you've been proven as a liar, to boot.
GFYS.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:58:27am |
re: #428 Renaissance_Man
that all sounds fine, in a general sense. your initial post would have gone from ok to fantastic if you also included those items favored by republicans and opposed by democrats, to show that you really are choosing the best of both sides of the aisle in your vision. just my humble .02
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:59:45am |
re: #433 Aceofwhat?
Wait - so i can dig up whatever i want and it won't be enough to convince you that the bulk of conservative economic opinion was that RomneyCare was far, far underpriced?
So we're back to my word against yours?
We were never at your word against mine-- except in your bizarre idea that if you posted a single WSJ opEd it would refute my claim.
Wrong then, wrong now.
I like that you're pretending that Romney was condemned by the right though, and that RomneyCare was. He was a Dem primary candidate, right? //
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 6:59:50am |
re: #436 Sigma_x
Oh my God - your post is so full of shit I don't know where to start. I said NOTHING that you claimed I said.
I posted it on Friday, when it was at 19, and said to hold it for a month, not a week.
It's already up 25% from where I suggested people buy.
You're a 14K gold plated moron. And now you've been proven as a liar, to boot.
GFYS.
huh. usually when you buff something tarnished, the metal shines through.
whereas you get rubbed a little, and go from shiny to green. and i don't mean that in a cuddly, letshugatree sort of way...
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:00:22am |
re: #429 Sigma_x
Whoops, you're right. I do apologize. I was looking at the date wrong.
I also shouldn't be talking about deleted comments anyway, so double-bad on me.
However, you might have the grace to assume people are mistaken rather than lying.
| 441 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:00:40am |
Clinton defends outreach to Syria despite Scud row
TALLINN (Reuters) - The United States defended its policy of engagement with Syria on Thursday despite its concerns that Damascus might be trying to transfer Scud missiles to Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon.
Speaking in the Estonian capital ahead of a NATO meeting, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton dodged questions about whether Iran might have given Syria Scud technology ultimately destined for Lebanon's Hezbollah, a Shi'ite Islamist group.
Israeli President Shimon Peres has accused Syria of sending Scuds to Hezbollah. Syria denies the charge and says Israel may be using the accusation as a pretext for a military strike.
I guess you have to build apartments to piss her off. Scud are cool, though.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:01:16am |
re: #71 LudwigVanQuixote
MANUFACTURE THE CONTROVERSY - THEN BROADCAST IT!
That could be the motto of every major news outlet.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:01:16am |
re: #436 Sigma_x
Jesus, dude, do you lack all capability of being a civilized and rational adult?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:01:39am |
re: #442 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
OH!
HAPPY EARTH DAY, HIPPIES!
In case of rain, all Earth Day activities will be moved inside.
(an actual sign I once saw on a college campus)
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:02:13am |
re: #444 Obdicut
Jesus, dude, do you lack all capability of being a civilized and rational adult?
presumptuous, no !?!?
/ (kinda)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:03:07am |
re: #436 Sigma_x
Knock it off with the insults, noob. If you're going to be nasty whenever you're here, you won't last long.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:03:31am |
re: #440 Obdicut
Whoops, you're right. I do apologize. I was looking at the date wrong.
I also shouldn't be talking about deleted comments anyway, so double-bad on me.
However, you might have the grace to assume people are mistaken rather than lying.
Similarly, you could have had the grace to double check your memory of what he said before you said "So your credibility on stock stuff is pretty low with me".
You could have had the grace to assume you were mistaken before assuming he was, right?
| 449 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:03:55am |
re: #438 iceweasel
We were never at your word against mine-- except in your bizarre idea that if you posted a single WSJ opEd it would refute my claim.
Wrong then, wrong now.
I like that you're pretending that Romney was condemned by the right though, and that RomneyCare was. He was a Dem primary candidate, right? //
no, i was asking if the WSJ op-ed pages counted as a representative example of "popular conservative opinion" on a subject. because i admit that i'm too lazy to go find 15 articles...i'd rather just agree to disagree.
and i liked Romney as a candidate out of a sense of practicality...isn't that the sort of centrist thing you're dying to see out of the right...considering a candidate who may not share every single view of their base?
don't slam narrow thinking on conservatives' part if you aren't prepared to applaud efforts to accept a broader spectrum of opinions. if considering Romney as a candidate = i like Obamacare, then fuck it, i might as well vote for Rubio.
(that's where this is heading...i'd rather just say that i prefer centrist candidates without having to be tarred as supporting every single opinion of theirs)
| 451 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:04:14am |
re: #448 iceweasel
I could have, and I should have, and I didn't, which is why I apologized to him.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:04:46am |
re: #447 Dark_Falcon
Knock it off with the insults, noob. If you're going to be nasty whenever you're here, you won't last long.
Too bad that's not up to you, huh?
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:04:49am |
re: #408 Sigma_x
Gee, there's quite a prediction there. The stock market has seen a 50%-60% runup in the past 12 months after bouncing off the multiyear lows. A 10% correction wouldn't be unprecedented and should actually be expected, but to claim that anyone is clamoring for such an outcome on partisan political grounds is just nuts.
The economy was never as bad as the Democrats (including President Obama) claimed; the credit collapse was a fraction of the mess that the S&L scandal was (TARP is 43% of the S&L bailout, and equivalent to about 1% of GDP, whereas S&L was 3%).
It isn't nearly as good as Obama is now claiming (and he's out to make the situation from the past year look as bad as possible such that any improvement in the past few months looks even better than it is), but sentiment still shows quite a bit of pessimism on Main Street because unemployment (a lagging indicator) is still high, and the real estate market is a mess (and will continue to be for some time to come) because easy credit days are over (good riddance!) and low interest rates are going to come to a close. Since many people have their wealth tied to their homes, a depressed real estate market means that disposable income is tied to how well real estate rebounds and some markets are so far underwater than they're in Marianas Trench territory. High unemployment further contributes to a poor real estate outlook because it crimps both on the foreclosure side, and on the buyer side, reducing demand on homes and curbing supports for pricing (further contributing to slides in prices in many markets). That makes some housing markets more attractive to buyers who can afford to buy, but sellers aren't nearly as inclined to sell when they are underwater - short sales - or don't have the capital to buy another home.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:05:11am |
Hung out last night on Tuesday night with my son and the guys in his band... Me? In a tie, them tie-dye... Me clean shaven and gawjust, them nasty smelling and long haired...
We had a frickin' ball.
Patchouli smellin' punks.
| 455 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:06:03am |
re: #448 iceweasel
They both displayed pretty bad form there, if you ask me. But they can shake hands (or kiss, whatever) and let it drop.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:06:14am |
re: #448 iceweasel
Similarly, you could have had the grace to double check your memory of what he said before you said "So your credibility on stock stuff is pretty low with me".
You could have had the grace to assume you were mistaken before assuming he was, right?
nah, the guy who called Obdicut (i'm paraphrasing) a crazy fucking stalker gets presumed mistaken unless he can show otherwise.
at least, that's where i am on this little subject at the moment. Obdicut, at least, will man up when shown to be incorrect.
as opposed to...
| 457 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:07:08am |
re: #455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I shouldn't have referenced a deleted comment, I shouldn't have relied on my own memory, and I shouldn't have taken a cheap shot, either. Pointless and dumb.
Which is why I apologized.
| 458 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:07:10am |
re: #453 lawhawk
Really, can Charles just set up an auto-ding for you?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:07:40am |
re: #451 Obdicut
I could have, and I should have, and I didn't, which is why I apologized to him.
You sure did.
Right before chastiisting him for not having sufficient grace towards you.
Whoops, you're right. I do apologize. I was looking at the date wrong.I also shouldn't be talking about deleted comments anyway, so double-bad on me.
However, you might have the grace to assume people are mistaken rather than lying.
The apology was nice. The followup?---
Maybe the apology should have come after.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:07:46am |
re: #453 lawhawk
Gee, there's quite a prediction there. The stock market has seen a 50%-60% runup in the past 12 months after bouncing off the multiyear lows. A 10% correction wouldn't be unprecedented and should actually be expected, but to claim that anyone is clamoring for such an outcome on partisan political grounds is just nuts.
The economy was never as bad as the Democrats (including President Obama) claimed; the credit collapse was a fraction of the mess that the S&L scandal was (TARP is 43% of the S&L bailout, and equivalent to about 1% of GDP, whereas S&L was 3%).
It isn't nearly as good as Obama is now claiming (and he's out to make the situation from the past year look as bad as possible such that any improvement in the past few months looks even better than it is), but sentiment still shows quite a bit of pessimism on Main Street because unemployment (a lagging indicator) is still high, and the real estate market is a mess (and will continue to be for some time to come) because easy credit days are over (good riddance!) and low interest rates are going to come to a close. Since many people have their wealth tied to their homes, a depressed real estate market means that disposable income is tied to how well real estate rebounds and some markets are so far underwater than they're in Marianas Trench territory. High unemployment further contributes to a poor real estate outlook because it crimps both on the foreclosure side, and on the buyer side, reducing demand on homes and curbing supports for pricing (further contributing to slides in prices in many markets). That makes some housing markets more attractive to buyers who can afford to buy, but sellers aren't nearly as inclined to sell when they are underwater - short sales - or don't have the capital to buy another home.
Great post. I was being a smart ass. Sort of. I'm sorry, maybe I should have clarified - I don't think your average republican on the street is clamoring for a big fall in the market. I do, however, think that republican leadership is, and would exploit it to the fullest.
As for me - I should clarify, also, that I myself am clamoring for a significant correction in the market, as I went about 65% short yesterday.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:07:58am |
re: #458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Really, can Charles just set up an auto-ding for you?
i second the motion
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:08:53am |
re: #459 iceweasel
The apology was nice. The followup?---
Maybe the apology should have come after.
you mean "chastised him for the GFYS" comment?
rightly so.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:09:33am |
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:09:52am |
Ni hao, honcos.
I see the folding chairs and Budweiser longnecks were distributed with the scrambled eggs and Bloody Marys at breakfast this morning.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:09:59am |
re: #459 iceweasel
The apology was nice. The followup?---
Maybe the apology should have come after.
this is fun! you're chiding Obdicut and i'm sticking up for him. look at us go!
;)
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:10:56am |
re: #459 iceweasel
I'm sorry, Ice, I stand by that. I do think he lacks graciousness. I don't lie, and I obviously am not going to lie about something that can be checked. I was lazy and jumped to the wrong assumption. So did he, when he accused me of lying.
14K gold plated moron is kind of funny, though, given that 14K is the low end of gold, and your gold-plated morons aren't actually selling that well these days.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:11:41am |
re: #463 NJDhockeyfan
Did you see the coverage of her pimple in Iceland?
/
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:11:47am |
re: #466 Obdicut
Dunno about the gold thing. What with the stuff trading at these outrageously high valuations lately, even a plating of 14K is worth something.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:12:11am |
re: #449 Aceofwhat?
and i liked Romney as a candidate out of a sense of practicality...isn't that the sort of centrist thing you're dying to see out of the right...considering a candidate who may not share every single view of their base?don't slam narrow thinking on conservatives' part if you aren't prepared to applaud efforts to accept a broader spectrum of opinions. if considering Romney as a candidate = i like Obamacare, then fuck it, i might as well vote for Rubio.
(that's where this is heading...i'd rather just say that i prefer centrist candidates without having to be tarred as supporting every single opinion of theirs)
Nah, I'm only slamming those conservatives who are hypocrites. ;)
Like the ones who loooved Romney and RomneyCare and now pretend they hate it. You know, like Romney himself.
| 471 |
Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:12:16am |
At least I had the good grace to use an acronym.
But boy do I stand by that acronym.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:12:32am |
re: #467 Obdicut
Not so much. Mainly, I just screwed up.
No, I don't think so. You mis-stepped, noticed it, and corrected it. I'm by no means your greatest fan, but I don't think that counted as a screw-up.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:13:05am |
re: #470 iceweasel
Nah, I'm only slamming those conservatives who are hypocrites. ;)
Like the ones who loooved Romney and RomneyCare and now pretend they hate it. You know, like Romney himself.
ouch. that one smarted a little...;)
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:13:06am |
re: #471 Sigma_x
How do you 'stand by' the phrase "Go fuck yourself"? Do you mean you're sincerely upset with me, or that you sincerely think I should go grab the sex toy of my choice and enjoy a moment of quiet bliss?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:13:28am |
re: #466 Obdicut
I'm sorry, Ice, I stand by that. I do think he lacks graciousness. I don't lie, and I obviously am not going to lie about something that can be checked. I was lazy and jumped to the wrong assumption. So did he, when he accused me of lying.
14K gold plated moron is kind of funny, though, given that 14K is the low end of gold, and your gold-plated morons aren't actually selling that well these days.
I think you can find at least one gold-plated moron on TV. Just the Glenn Beck show.
| 477 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:14:29am |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:14:43am |
re: #475 Obdicut
How do you 'stand by' the phrase "Go fuck yourself"? Do you mean you're sincerely upset with me, or that you sincerely think I should go grab the sex toy of my choice and enjoy a moment of quiet bliss?
thank you. it's like saying "at least i wrote fu#k instead of fuck, because that would have been crude or juvenile".
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:15:10am |
re: #472 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Mornin' Tex!
I tell you what, it's a fine day to be alive, and Guadalupe County just keeps getting better.
Wonderful thing around here - although all Texans do it, so far as I can tell - is you'll see these large perfetly manicured lawns and such, with a few patches where the crews have mowed around the bluebonnets, indian paint-brushes, and similar wild-flowers that have sprung up. It's charming, really, to see this much care for what is, after all, only a weed.
| 481 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:15:31am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:15:48am |
re: #470 iceweasel
I remember my reaction to RomneyCare...
"He's a what?"
"He says it's gonna cost how much?!"
Then? I saw something shiny.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:17:50am |
re: #476 Dark_Falcon
I think you can find at least one gold-plated moron on TV. Just watch the Glenn Beck show.
PIMF
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:20:19am |
re: #466 Obdicut
I'm sorry, Ice, I stand by that. I do think he lacks graciousness. I don't lie, and I obviously am not going to lie about something that can be checked. I was lazy and jumped to the wrong assumption. So did he, when he accused me of lying.
.
Sorry. You didn't even join here until November. I bring this up NOT as some kind of "ooo, look how long someone's been here' bullshit--but to make a point to you that LGF in the beginning of summer 2009 was a very different commenting community than it was in Nov 2009.
Haven't seen everything this guy has done. But I really, really, really dislike the 'old' LGF culture of always beating on new people.
Sometimes a new person here still gets a massive beating from all over. And most people here don't quite understand why a new person who is catching a lot of shit might understandably be not so polite the 10th time he's called a liar, even if it is by someone just joining the fray that day.
You called him a liar. You were wrong. You apologised, which is very cool and much more than most do in similar circumstances-- but maybe this is when you should employ that vaunted virtue of 'graciousness' and not pretend that your situations as commenters are similar-- or that his reaction to you was somehow 'the same' as your charge.
Just sayin'.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:20:39am |
re: #250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My favorite Tony Campolo quote...
"I have three things I'd like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don't give a shit. What's worse is that you're more upset with the fact that I said shit than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night."
Just wanted to repost that.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:21:28am |
re: #480 Guanxi88
I tell you what, it's a fine day to be alive, and Guadalupe County just keeps getting better.
Wonderful thing around here - although all Texans do it, so far as I can tell - is you'll see these large perfetly manicured lawns and such, with a few patches where the crews have mowed around the bluebonnets, indian paint-brushes, and similar wild-flowers that have sprung up. It's charming, really, to see this much care for what is, after all, only a weed.
I understand completely. If i try to grow something, it's sure to die...which means i get the best flowers in an area i tend to the least. It makes for arguments with my other half, who deems them weeds due to their placement rather than their appearance...
| 487 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:21:34am |
Here, topic change:
This is the greatest journalist that few of you have heard about. Murray Kempton.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
He was also a socialist and a good friend of William F. Buckley.
This is a great collection of his articles.
Rebellions, Perversities and Main Events
It's a wonderful read for 'liberals' and 'conservatives' alike; his writing is accessible but elegant, his concern always for the individual inside the system. He was an amazing man, and we would be far better off if journalists today were in his mold.
| 488 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:23:56am |
re: #484 iceweasel
Haven't seen everything this guy has done. But I really, really, really dislike the 'old' LGF culture of always beating on new people.
Blood in, blood out; just like the Hell's Angels, most street gangs, and the Texas General Baptist Convention.
| 489 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:23:57am |
re: #484 iceweasel
But Ice, I didn't in the least attack him over being new, so what the hell are you talking about?
I whack old posters the same as new posters. It's got nothing to do with his newness, but with his habit of using incredibly derogatory language at the drop of a hat.
| 490 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:25:24am |
Funny. The definition of "drop it"...
| 491 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:25:38am |
re: #486 Aceofwhat?
I understand completely. If i try to grow something, it's sure to die...which means i get the best flowers in an area i tend to the least. It makes for arguments with my other half, who deems them weeds due to their placement rather than their appearance...
I've got a yard full of the most amazing purple flowers right now - I don't dare do anything to cut the lawn, since they're so freakin' thick everywhere.
Neighbors say just leave it be; I'm more than happy to take their advice.
| 492 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:25:58am |
re: #484 iceweasel
Also, I didn't call him a liar, so please don't say I did.
| 493 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:26:20am |
re: #492 Obdicut
Also, I didn't call him a liar, so please don't say I did.
You calling her a liar?
////
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:27:30am |
re: #484 iceweasel
Sorry. You didn't even join here until November. I bring this up NOT as some kind of "ooo, look how long someone's been here' bullshit--but to make a point to you that LGF in the beginning of summer 2009 was a very different commenting community than it was in Nov 2009.
Haven't seen everything this guy has done. But I really, really, really dislike the 'old' LGF culture of always beating on new people.
Sometimes a new person here still gets a massive beating from all over. And most people here don't quite understand why a new person who is catching a lot of shit might understandably be not so polite the 10th time he's called a liar, even if it is by someone just joining the fray that day.You called him a liar. You were wrong. You apologised, which is very cool and much more than most do in similar circumstances-- but maybe this is when you should employ that vaunted virtue of 'graciousness' and not pretend that your situations as commenters are similar-- or that his reaction to you was somehow 'the same' as your charge.
Just sayin'.
You're right in most ways. Most of the main commentators here in June 2009 are no longer here. This blog has changed profoundly. However, while I don't like beating up on noobs, I do think those new to this blog should get pounded when they act stridently or jump to conclusions. SigmaX has had some good info, but his jumping on people is bad form and I don't like it.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:28:41am |
re: #492 Obdicut
Obdicut:
I think you're letting this get to you too much. Again, I'm no great huge fan of yours, but you didn't screw up much (if at all) in the above-cited instance, and I certainly don't think you've got anything more or else to apologize for in this case.
| 496 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:28:48am |
re: #493 Guanxi88
Even though the ///'s are there:
No, I'm not in the least calling Iceweasel a liar. She has a perfectly fair point, which is that new people get beat on a lot, especially if they're contentious.
| 497 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:29:21am |
re: #496 Obdicut
Even though the ///'s are there:
No, I'm not in the least calling Iceweasel a liar. She has a perfectly fair point, which is that new people get beat on a lot, especially if they're contentious.
I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Relax, already.
| 498 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:30:10am |
re: #495 Guanxi88
I prefer to err on the side of apology rather than the opposite.
I did indeed screw up: I took a cheap shot at someone and used inaccurate information to do so-- inaccurate through my own laziness.
I wronged Sigma_X, and apologize for it.
However, this is probably getting boring for the rest, so, sorry for apologizing so much. Heh.
| 499 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:30:17am |
I hope that all lizards who like action movies get to see "Kick Ass".
Great fun!
| 500 |
Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:30:50am |
re: #494 Dark_Falcon
Jumping on people? When have I ever jumped on anyone?
| 501 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:31:01am |
re: #498 Obdicut
I prefer to err on the side of apology rather than the opposite.
....
However, this is probably getting boring for the rest, so, sorry for apologizing so much. Heh.
You sure you're not Japanese?
| 502 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:32:34am |
re: #489 Obdicut
But Ice, I didn't in the least attack him over being new, so what the hell are you talking about?
I whack old posters the same as new posters. It's got nothing to do with his newness, but with his habit of using incredibly derogatory language at the drop of a hat.
I'm talking about the way some new posters, because they're not yet known, tend to catch a lot of shit. A disproportionate amount of shit. They can say something that a more 'known' poster would and does say but get attacked.
I haven't seen all of sigma's posts, but I have noticed him catching a disproportionate amount of shit.
I am also, and primarily, talking about the ways in which new posters react to that. Maybe they'll say 'fuck you' -- to the tenth, or twentieth, time that day someone has called them a liar, or unamerican, or whatever. Or maybe the fifth time.
Then everyone talks about how terribly, terribly rude they were, and wasn't it awful that they said 'fuck off'' to (whoever)?
I am suggesting that you extend the virtue you just advised-- being gracious-- to him, perhaps a bit more than you have.
It would be a good idea for people to bear that in mind anyway-- graciousness. Especially when dealing with new people. We get to post here for free-- it might be nice to remember that it's in Charles's interests to have more viewers and commenters rather than fewer.
| 503 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:34:10am |
Iran’s Guards Start Military Exercise in Persian Gulf
Iran’s Revolutionary Guards started three days of military maneuvers in the Persian Gulf today, in a show of the country’s “defensive capabilities,” state-run Press TV reported.
More than 300 vessels took part in the exercise, including a new high-speed boat called “Ya Mahdi,” the news channel reported, citing the Revolutionary Guard’s naval commander Ali- Reza Tangsiri.
The war games are taking place in international waters in the Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz, a transit route for 20 percent of the world’s oil, according to the U.S. Department of Energy. Iranian authorities, which have vowed a “crushing” response to any military attack on the country, regularly conduct such maneuvers.
The U.S. and Israel have said they won’t rule out any option in dealing with Iran over its nuclear program, which they say is a cover for the development of atomic weapons. Iran rejects the claim and says its program is purely civilian.
The maneuvers will include the testing of short- and medium-range missiles, state television reported today.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:34:22am |
re: #502 iceweasel
Man, you said that better than I ever could have.
In fact, I tried to say the exact same thing last week.
Only I caught a ton of shit for it. Was told I was whining.
Thanks.
| 505 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:35:23am |
re: #504 Sigma_x
Yeah... but she's been here for a while.
/
| 506 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:35:33am |
Bummer: ‘South Park’ Episode Is Altered After Muslim Group’s Warning
An episode of “South Park” that continued a story line involving the Prophet Muhammad was shown Wednesday night on Comedy Central with audio bleeps and image blocks reading “CENSORED” after a Muslim group warned the show’s creators that they could face violence for depicting that holy Islamic prophet.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:36:08am |
re: #502 iceweasel
I haven't seen all of sigma's posts, but I have noticed him catching a disproportionate amount of shit.
If you haven't seen all his posts, then you really don't know if its disproportionate.
I am suggesting that you extend the virtue you just advised-- being gracious-- to him, perhaps a bit more than you have.
Well, I'd think that was covered by me apologizing for my behavior, Ice.
And again: I didn't call him a liar. Can you retract that accusation, since it's not true?
| 508 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:36:30am |
Happy Birthday to Peter Frampton who turns 60 today.
| 509 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:38:02am |
re: #503 NJDhockeyfan
I'm sorry. I'm giggling.
I just remembered....
Some white guy boxed Mike Tyson years ago... in the press conference said that he was going to "Wrap Mike Tyson in a 'cocoon of pain'". The camera cut over to Mike, he was giggling like a little girl.
I think the white guy is still spoon fed.
| 510 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:38:57am |
re: #506 Killgore Trout
It was still funny as hell... probably funnier. There was a big ole black box with censored written on it... you could picture anything you wanted behind it.
| 511 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:40:03am |
re: #510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It's the first time in a long time that I've had any desire to watch a South Park episode, just to see what all the ruckus is about.
| 512 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:40:55am |
re: #509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm sorry. I'm giggling.
I just remembered...
Some white guy boxed Mike Tyson years ago... in the press conference said that he was going to "Wrap Mike Tyson in a 'cocoon of pain'". The camera cut over to Mike, he was giggling like a little girl.
I think the white guy is still spoon fed.
I like this one:
More than 300 vessels took part in the exercise, including a new high-speed boat called “Ya Mahdi,”
The well troll has a speed boat, how nice. I picture the Mahdi floating around in it like the Tidy Bowl guy used to.
| 513 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:43:23am |
SIOA: Victory for Free Speech -- Religious Liberty Bus Ads Restored to Miami Buses
The Freedom Defense Initiative (FDI) and Stop the Islamization of America (SIOA) today announced that Miami-Dade Transit is restoring bus advertisements in defense of religious freedom that had been taken down after an anti-free speech campaign by a Hamas-linked Islamic hate group.
The CBS Outdoor bus ad company restored the ads after Miami-Dade Transit bowed to a threatened lawsuit by its attorneys David Yerushalmi and Robert Muise (the latter of the Thomas More Law Center) on behalf of SIOA executive director Pamela Geller and associate director Robert Spencer for breach of contract and infringement of their First Amendment free speech rights.
The South Florida chapter of the Hamas-linked Islamic supremacist hate group Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) had pressured Miami-Dade Transit to drop SIOA's religious liberty ads, which offer aid to Muslims threatened for leaving Islam.
The SIOA ad at issue, which will now run on thirty buses, not just on the original 10 buses on which it ran originally in Miami-Dade County, stated: "Leaving Islam? Fatwa on your head? Family or community threatening you? Got questions? Get answers! RefugefromIslam.com."
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:45:27am |
re: #507 Obdicut
Well, I'd think that was covered by me apologizing for my behavior, Ice.
And again: I didn't call him a liar. Can you retract that accusation, since it's not true?
Nope. You're being disproportnate again in your freakout here. I already quoted what you said. You know perfectly well that you were over the line initally-- you absolutely were implying that he was completely unreliable, in everything. No, you didn't use the word 'liar', but don't impugn your own integrity and intelligence-- or mine, or the others reading-- by pretending that you didn't intend to imply that he was utterly unreliable on all matters.
You did. You also apologised and retracted, multiple times, and I already said I think that was far more honest than most people would. I respect you for it.
I don't have any problem with you, Obdi, and I like you. Cheers.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:46:05am |
It's the Telegraph, if it makes any difference:
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
Iran exports 'revolutionary principles' to Venezuela, report claims
Iran has stepped up its military presence in Venezuela as part of a programme to export its "revolutionary principles" to America's enemies, according to a Pentagon report.
Nothing to worry about, though.
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Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:47:08am |
re: #507 Obdicut
I still think you were lying - you know damn when I posted that stock recommendation and at what price it was.
As a matter of fact, you went out of your way on Friday to say, "I remember what stock it was and I'm gonna keep track of it, to see if you know what you're talking about."
| 518 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:47:34am |
Volcano Ash Cloud Sets Off Global Domino Effect
While the volcanic ash cloud covering parts of Europe continues to wreak havoc for airlines - costing the industry more than $1 billion as of Monday - grounding most of the continent's air travel for several days has had a ripple effect extending far beyond Europe's borders.
The following is a collection of international anecdotes demonstrating how the ash cloud has done more than hit airlines' bottom lines and inconvenienced air travelers.
• The lack of refrigeration facilities at the airport in capital of the West African nation of Ghana has been a big blow to pineapple and pawpaw farmers who sell to Europe because of the lack of flights. As of Tuesday, no cargo flights have taken off yet.
• In Africa, a group of five people from Sierra Leone and Liberia had to abandon a fact-finding trip to the war crimes trial of former Liberian President Charles Taylor in The Hague.
• In Kenya, thousands of day laborers are out of work because produce and flowers can't be exported amid the flight cancellations. Kenya has thrown away 10 million flowers - mostly roses - since the volcano eruption. Asparagus, broccoli and green beans meant for European dinner tables are being fed to Kenyan cattle because storage facilities are filled to capacity.
• The U.S. Travel Association estimates that the ash cloud produced by the eruption has cost the U.S. economy $650 million, approximately $130 million per day. That kind of loss to the economy affects the cashflow to fund about 6,000 American jobs, the association said. Every international flight bound for the U.S. is worth an average of $450,000 in spending from travelers, which the association says pays for five jobs per flight.
• Nissan Motor Co.'s production at a line at its Oppama plant near Tokyo and two lines at its Kyushu factory in southern Japan will stop all day Wednesday because the planned shipment of tire pressure sensors from Ireland has not arrived, company spokeswoman Sachi Inagaki said. The suspension would affect nearly 2,000 vehicles, including the Cube compact made at the Oppama plant, and the Murano and Rogue crossover SUV models produced at the Kyushu plant as well as eight other models that are produced on the same production lines, Inagaki said.
[snip]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:48:39am |
re: #503 NJDhockeyfan
Is there any footage of guys jumping through rings of fire?
| 520 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:48:46am |
re: #507 Obdicut
If you haven't seen all his posts, then you really don't know if its disproportionate.
i don't remember an apology for this one...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 521 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:49:37am |
re: #504 Sigma_x
Man, you said that better than I ever could have.
In fact, I tried to say the exact same thing last week.
Only I caught a ton of shit for it. Was told I was whining.
Thanks.
Yeah, well, as mentioned I haven't read all of your posts.
Anyway, I liked a couple of posts of yours that I did see and I don't like it when new people get bashed. When you've been here a little longer I'll bash you, promise. I may well decide you're a troll or a liar or both when I read more. Be advised! /
Hang in and try not to be mean to people even if many are being mean to you. Lots of smart people here. Including some that may be giving you a hard time now. Seriously.
| 523 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:49:44am |
re: #506 Killgore Trout
Bummer: ‘South Park’ Episode Is Altered After Muslim Group’s Warning
I'm getting tired of this. The radicals who issue threats like this need to be pounded down.
| 524 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:49:57am |
re: #514 iceweasel
No, you didn't use the word 'liar', but don't impugn your own integrity and intelligence-- or mine, or the others reading-- by pretending that you didn't intend to imply that he was utterly unreliable on all matters.
First of all, saying someone is unreliable is different than saying that they're a liar. Very different. Immensely different. I'm really surprised that you'd conflate the two. I have lots of friends who's information is unreliable. Hell, my mom's unreliable in conveying information. That doesn't mean she's a liar.
Hell, he couldn't even 'lie' about the stock, since it's something that's happening in the future. It has nothing to do with the 'truth', just with accuracy of predictions.
Second of all, I'm not sure how you can take a comment that was specifically about stocks and say that I'm trying to impugn him on all matters. I wasn't, and I didn't.
You're now accusing me of something untrue-- calling him a liar-- and that sucks.
| 525 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:50:27am |
re: #517 Sigma_x
I still think you were lying - you know damn when I posted that stock recommendation and at what price it was.
He wouldn't lie. He made a mistake. Don't be a dick.
| 526 |
Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:50:30am |
re: #520 Aceofwhat?
i don't remember an apology for this one...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
It took an entire day of listening to his crap for me to post that.
It wasn't exactly arbitrary. And, what's more, it's the truth.
And, as evidenced by what went down today, it SITLL stands true.
| 527 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:50:49am |
re: #517 Sigma_x
Yes. And I thought it was on the 13th, rather than on the 16th. I'm sorry, it was a cheap shot, classless of me, and I shouldn't have taken it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:51:25am |
re: #510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It was still funny as hell... probably funnier. There was a big ole black box with censored written on it... you could picture anything you wanted behind it.
I was picturing something that they would find pretty offensive.
| 529 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:51:41am |
BDS alive and well in Hotlanta: when parents objected to a felon as the headliner at their childrens' assembly, their principal responded...
In e-mails obtained by 11Alive News, Oatts replied in his e-mail, "I thought about asking a guy who snorted cocaine and got arrested for DUI when he was 30 to come and speak to our kids, but President George W. Bush was not available."
[Link: www.11alive.com...]
| 530 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:52:15am |
re: #526 Sigma_x
It took an entire day of listening to his crap for me to post that.
It wasn't exactly arbitrary. And, what's more, it's the truth.
And, as evidenced by what went down today, it SITLL stands true.
alrighty then.
| 531 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:52:16am |
re: #527 Obdicut
Knock it off, already. You cannot win over one who won't listen, and those who will listen would have been satisfied the first time through.
| 532 |
Sigma_x Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:53:27am |
Alright - enough with this. This can't continue. I'm not a bad guy, I swear. I'm not a troll, or a sock puppet, or a stalker (as I've been accused of being on several occasions.) Let's just put this little war to rest.
The reason I got so upset with that, and said GFYS, is because that's my entire life, the stock market. And I do not take that shit lightly. So for you to post what you posted called into question my entire credibility, and I saw red. Like, literally.
I don't want to fight with anyone. And, Obdi, I don't think you're a liar. I take that back. And I apologize.
| 533 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:53:31am |
re: #516 darthstar
Happy Fuckin' Earth Day, everyone.
It's also Take Your Child to Work Day, which used to be Take Your Daughter to Work Day.
Why the change? Why now, with this administration? Why on this day?
To the chalkboard!!!!
| 534 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:54:40am |
re: #531 Guanxi88
Knock it off, already. You cannot win over one who won't listen, and those who will listen would have been satisfied the first time through.
seriously. let's not pretend the recipient of the apology isn't standing by far more hateful remarks...
| 535 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:54:51am |
re: #529 tradewind
BDS alive and well in Hotlanta: when parents objected to a felon as the headliner at their childrens' assembly, their principal responded...
[Link: www.11alive.com...]
Nice. The parents raise a reasonable objection, and the principal responds with BDS. That's some bad leftism at work.
/Note: Most liberals are not like that, I know. But that principal really is acting like the worst kind of leftist.
| 536 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:55:22am |
re: #522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Gosh, I hope y'all watch that. It kills me!
| 537 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:55:48am |
Hey, I've got an idea!
Let's talk about the MidEast as a nice little palate-cleanser to help us put all this unpleasantness behind us.
| 538 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:55:57am |
re: #532 Sigma_x
Alright - enough with this. This can't continue. I'm not a bad guy, I swear. I'm not a troll, or a sock puppet, or a stalker (as I've been accused of being on several occasions.) Let's just put this little war to rest.
The reason I got so upset with that, and said GFYS, is because that's my entire life, the stock market. And I do not take that shit lightly. So for you to post what you posted called into question my entire credibility, and I saw red. Like, literally.
I don't want to fight with anyone. And, Obdi, I don't think you're a liar. I take that back. And I apologize.
cool. let's move along. i want to ride the Beck train...Mad Al-Jaffee is heading to the chalkboard
| 539 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:56:29am |
re: #524 Obdicut
Second of all, I'm not sure how you can take a comment that was specifically about stocks and say that I'm trying to impugn him on all matters. I wasn't, and I didn't.You're now accusing me of something untrue-- calling him a liar-- and that sucks.
This I think you're right about. I just reread it and you weren't doing that.
Apologies.
| 540 |
badger1970 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:56:47am |
re: #516 darthstar
Happy Fuckin' Earth Day, everyone.
Remember the three R's, my daughter sure didn't let me forget.
| 541 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:56:48am |
re: #532 Sigma_x
Alright - enough with this. This can't continue. I'm not a bad guy, I swear. I'm not a troll, or a sock puppet, or a stalker (as I've been accused of being on several occasions.) Let's just put this little war to rest.
The reason I got so upset with that, and said GFYS, is because that's my entire life, the stock market. And I do not take that shit lightly. So for you to post what you posted called into question my entire credibility, and I saw red. Like, literally.
I don't want to fight with anyone. And, Obdi, I don't think you're a liar. I take that back. And I apologize.
Thank you, Sigma. Those words show you to be a proper man and a good member of this community. I understand what seeing red is, and it has happened to most of us ere at one time or another.
| 542 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:57:22am |
re: #131 Lidane
At least he's just a slimy panderer. This guy is just an idiot:
*sigh*
The ignorance is strong with this one.
He also looks about twelve years old.
| 543 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:57:25am |
re: #535 Dark_Falcon
I wouldn't even lump him in with ' most liberals'. He's just a dick.
And he should have his contract yanked, although firing him would probably be like trying to storm Iwo Jima.
| 544 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:58:24am |
re: #527 Obdicut
Yes. And I thought it was on the 13th, rather than on the 16th. I'm sorry, it was a cheap shot, classless of me, and I shouldn't have taken it.
re: #532 Sigma_x
Alright - enough with this. This can't continue. I'm not a bad guy, I swear. I'm not a troll, or a sock puppet, or a stalker (as I've been accused of being on several occasions.) Let's just put this little war to rest.
The reason I got so upset with that, and said GFYS, is because that's my entire life, the stock market. And I do not take that shit lightly. So for you to post what you posted called into question my entire credibility, and I saw red. Like, literally.
I don't want to fight with anyone. And, Obdi, I don't think you're a liar. I take that back. And I apologize.
re: #539 iceweasel
This I think you're right about. I just reread it and you weren't doing that.
Apologies.
All right. We're all square and on the level. We've made whatever amends needed to be made.
(And here I was hoping for a good old fashioned three or four way donnybrook.)
| 546 |
laZardo Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:58:45am |
G'devening folks.
Apparently, everything is now all Nick Clegg's fault.
| 547 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:58:58am |
re: #544 Guanxi88
Did someone call me a liar?
| 548 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:59:03am |
re: #540 badger1970
When my dad went to school in southern West Virginia in the early fifties... the three Rs were "Reading, and Road to Roanoke".
| 549 |
laZardo Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:59:04am |
re: #544 Guanxi88
And here I was hoping for a good old fashioned three or four way donnybrook.
In bed.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:59:29am |
re: #543 tradewind
I wouldn't even lump him in with ' most liberals'. He's just a dick.
And he should have his contract yanked, although firing him would probably be like trying to storm Iwo Jima.
Indeed. Wagon encirclement isn't an admirable trait in a union...unions can do a lot of good, but they'd be so much easier to support on a wider scale if they didn't protect their own with such a blind and willful disregard for the plain facts.
| 551 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:59:37am |
re: #547 Walter L. Newton
Did someone call me a liar?
No, but if the situation should require it, I'm sure we could find a volunteer.
| 552 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 22, 2010 7:59:57am |
re: #544 Guanxi88
All right. We're all square and on the level. We've made whatever amends needed to be made.
(And here I was hoping for a good old fashioned three or four way donnybrook.)
Where is Varek? We need a hippie drum circle, stat!
| 553 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:00:13am |
re: #547 Walter L. Newton
Did someone call me a liar?
I was going to call you a damn atheist, but then i realized you wouldn't be offended, so that sorta takes the stank out of it//
| 554 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:00:25am |
re: #510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Comedy central did even more editing on the episode after the threats....
South Park's Depiction Of Muhammad Censored AGAIN
Not for comedic purposes but out of fear.
| 555 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:00:39am |
re: #547 Walter L. Newton
MY DAUGHTER LOST MY MARS DUST!
| 556 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:00:51am |
ACORN may not be the font of evil some on the right have portrayed it as, but its president at least is pretty out there:
McCarthyism? Jim Crow? Segregation? Japanese internment?
Child's play. ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis says the times people are living in now will "dwarf" all those stains on America's history. And she points to the Tea Party movement -- or "bowel movement," in her words -- as a harbinger of the persecution to come.
"They are coming. And they are coming after you," the embattled head of ACORN said during a talk last month to the Young Democratic Socialists, the youth branch of the Democratic Socialists, the U.S. branch of the Socialist International.
During the address, Lewis praised the group's members for calling themselves socialists, and warned that undefined forces are plotting their doom.
"Any group that says, 'I'm young, I'm Democratic, and I'm a socialist,' is all right with me. You know that's no light thing to do -- to actually say, I'm a socialist -- because you guys know right now we are living in a time which is going to dwarf the McCarthy era. It is going to dwarf the internment during World War
II. We are right now in a time that is going to dwarf the era of Jim Crow and segregation," Lewis said.
Read the rest here.
| 557 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:01:42am |
re: #161 windsagio
Random link- Japanese company that makes REALLY bad wedding cakes!
(yes that's what those are, wedding cakes)
Well, in their defense, I don't think wedding cake is a Japanese custom, so if you decide to have one, it's not like your mother will flip out if it doesn't look 'right'.
| 558 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:02:09am |
re: #555 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
MY DAUGHTER LOST MY MARS DUST!
Honestly? Not good dude. The stuff goes for 35.00 US per milligram.
| 559 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:02:20am |
re: #556 Dark_Falcon
ACORN may not be the font of evil some on the right have portrayed it as, but its president at least is pretty out there:
Read the rest here.
All lies. It;s from Fox, so chances are, there never was any person named Bertha Lewis, nor any group named ACORN, nor any supposed Democratic Socialists group for her to address
| 560 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:02:24am |
re: #556 Dark_Falcon
Bertha Lewis will show up on South Park sooner or later, wait for it.
| 561 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:02:30am |
re: #554 Killgore Trout
Comedy central did even more editing on the episode after the threats...
South Park's Depiction Of Muhammad Censored AGAIN
Not for comedic purposes but out of fear.
Sheesh. Any death threats yet from Christians (Jesus surfing internet pr0n) or Buddhists (Buddha doing coke)?
No?
That's what i thought...
| 562 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:03:00am |
re: #558 Walter L. Newton
Dude... I'm so pissed...
| 563 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:03:42am |
re: #550 Aceofwhat?
Indeed. Wagon encirclement isn't an admirable trait in a union...unions can do a lot of good, but they'd be so much easier to support on a wider scale if they didn't protect their own with such a blind and willful disregard for the plain facts.
It's a exercise in power. They want to make sure they continue to hold the power in the schools. If they let someone get fired without a fight, they feel that will show weakness (which is death).
| 564 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:03:43am |
re: #556 Dark_Falcon
McCarthyism? Jim Crow? Segregation? Japanese internment?Child's play. ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis says the times people are living in now will "dwarf" all those stains on America's history. And she points to the Tea Party movement -- or "bowel movement," in her words -- as a harbinger of the persecution to come.
"They are coming. And they are coming after you," the embattled head of ACORN said during a talk last month to the Young Democratic Socialists, the youth branch of the Democratic Socialists, the U.S. branch of the Socialist International.
The Tea Parties would love to bring back McCarthyism. Her warning to a socialist group is not that far fetched.
| 566 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:04:39am |
re: #563 Dark_Falcon
It's all part of No Teacher Left Behind.//
| 567 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:04:50am |
re: #556 Dark_Falcon
ACORN may not be the font of evil some on the right have portrayed it as, but its president at least is pretty out there:
Read the rest here.
Interesting question: how much of a difference is there between one who says "if those Democrats don't repent, violence is coming" and one who says "beware, prepare, because the other side is coming for you with pitchforks"?
Aren't both statements highly irresponsible?
| 568 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:05:00am |
We had a dusting of snow this morning.
| 569 |
badger1970 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:05:47am |
re: #554 Killgore Trout
Did anyone really expect anything different, especially after the SP "Family Guy" episode?
| 570 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:05:51am |
re: #554 Killgore Trout
Shouldn't the RevolutionMuslim.com people be arrested for making death threats?
| 571 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:05:53am |
re: #568 Walter L. Newton
We had a dusting of snow this morning.
it's 75 and sunny in Jacksonville...
| 572 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:06:25am |
re: #567 Aceofwhat?
Interesting question: how much of a difference is there between one who says "if those Democrats don't repent, violence is coming" and one who says "beware, prepare, because the other side is coming for you with pitchforks"?
Aren't both statements highly irresponsible?
A very big difference if partisans choose to ignore it.
| 573 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:06:31am |
re: #569 badger1970
Did anyone really expect anything different, especially after the SP "Family Guy" episode?
some people deserve to be baited, imho...
| 574 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:06:37am |
re: #570 Mad Al-Jaffee
Shouldn't the RevolutionMuslim.com people be arrested for making death threats?
Not unless they oppose healthcare or show up at a Tea Party.
| 575 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:06:55am |
Man Faces Gun Charges After Cache Of Weapons Found
COLUMBUS, Ohio — Federal officials said on Friday that a large amount of weapons were found at the home of a man who allegedly stole the identity of someone bound to a wheelchair and suffering from cerebral palsy, and used it to try to flee the country.
Abdullah Mohammed Muslim, formerly known as Johnnie Clagg, faces felony gun charges, 10TV's Andy Hirsch reported.
Muslim, 38, allegedly stole personal information from people and tired to use it to get a passport to leave the country.
Police stopped Muslim's vehicle on the city's southwest side in October. He was wanted on charges of identity theft and trying to falsify a passport.
After being arrested, federal agents went to his home and said they found an arsenal inside, Hirsch reported.
Investigators said they found two AK 47s, a 9mm semiautomatic rifle and more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition, pipe bomb materials, a ballistic face mask and vest, and a flak jacket.
Muslim's attorney said his client traveled from Columbus to tribal areas of Pakistan and that he converted to Islam while spending time in prison.
He said his client has no ties to any terror organizations.
Federal authorities agreed, saying this was not a case of terrorism, but they would not elaborate on a motive or other details in the case until he is sentenced, Hirsch reported.
| 576 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:07:56am |
re: #575 NJDhockeyfan
Damn Amish, plotting violence again!
| 577 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:08:00am |
re: #556 Dark_Falcon
...during a talk last month to the Young Democratic Socialists, the youth branch of the Democratic Socialists, the U.S. branch of the Socialist International.
That really narrows 'em down there, doesn't it? I wonder if they're listed as a 503-c........
| 578 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:08:20am |
re: #567 Aceofwhat?
Interesting question: how much of a difference is there between one who says "if those Democrats don't repent, violence is coming" and one who says "beware, prepare, because the other side is coming for you with pitchforks"?
Aren't both statements highly irresponsible?
Hell yes, they are both far out of line. I put up that article to remind everyone that though the Tea Parties are fonts of serious problems, the left is still full of bad actors. Bertha Lewis is the worst kind of leftist, and calling the TPs a "bowel movement" is very over-the-top.
| 579 |
Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:08:34am |
re: #568 Walter L. Newton
Not sure how ordinary that is for this date, but the famous grapevine area on the I-5 got snow and ice overnight. Unheard of in late April.
| 580 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:09:49am |
re: #579 Rightwingconspirator
Not sure how ordinary that is for this date, but the famous grapevine area on the I-5 got snow and ice overnight. Unheard of in late April.
I'm at 8200 feet, so, a bit unusual... for some of the peaks in Colorado, there's snow on top all year round.
| 581 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:10:28am |
re: #570 Mad Al-Jaffee
They worded the statement carefully enough so they can't be outright arrested. They are claiming it was a warning, not a threat. I think this is the same guy from the "Islamic Thinkers Society", he's kind of like an Islamic Fred Phelps.
| 582 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:10:46am |
re: #580 Walter L. Newton
I'm at 8200 feet, so, a bit unusual... for some of the peaks in Colorado, there's snow on top all year round.
wow, i thought you were at ~6000...you're way up there!
| 583 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:11:13am |
re: #581 Killgore Trout
They worded the statement carefully enough so they can't be outright arrested. They are claiming it was a warning, not a threat. I think this is the same guy from the "Islamic Thinkers Society", he's kind of like an Islamic Fred Phelps.
heh. talk about two guys you'd like to throw in a small room together...
| 584 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:11:25am |
| 585 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:11:42am |
re: #581 Killgore Trout
They worded the statement carefully enough so they can't be outright arrested. They are claiming it was a warning, not a threat. I think this is the same guy from the "Islamic Thinkers Society", he's kind of like an Islamic Fred Phelps.
They included a photo of a filmmaker who was murdered my Muslims. Sounds like a threat to me.
| 586 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:12:25am |
For the record, I'm Jewish and I have no problems with how Moses was portrayed.
| 587 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:12:34am |
re: #571 Aceofwhat?
Pretty much the same here in Melvis, but that damn dusting out West is about to cause havoc when it moves here by way of severe thunderstorms with tornado-ish crap Saturday....
| 588 |
Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:12:34am |
re: #580 Walter L. Newton
I think we got snow down to 3000 feet overnight. The pass near the grapevine is only 4100 feet.
| 589 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:13:27am |
re: #582 Aceofwhat?
wow, i thought you were at ~6000...you're way up there!
That's still not consider mountains. Mountain is 10,000 feet and above, although there are some peaks in the area that are over 10,000. But the house I am in would not be considered sitting on a mountain... (looks like a mountain, acts like a mountain, snows like the mountains...)
| 590 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:14:47am |
Obama and Biden to Celebrate Earth Day by Tying Up New York Air Traffic
On a day when many Americans will be reflecting upon how they can reduce their impact on the environment, President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden will board separate jets in Washington on Earth Day morning to fly 250 miles up the east coast to New York, where they will land at separate airports to attend separate events within a few miles of each other.The parallel visits of Air Force One (a 747/VC-25 aircraft) and Air Force Two (a 757/C-32A aircraft) will delay dozens, if not hundreds of commercial flights at Kennedy and LaGuardia and other nearby airports as no-fly zones are implemented. Jets will be forced to circle and burn more fuel as they wait for the VIPs to come and go. Their security contingents consisting of dozens of cars, SUVs and helicopters will burn even more. Throw in thousands of commuters’ cars and delivery trucks sitting idle in traffic as law enforcement closes large swaths of the city and you have yourself a very Earth-unfriendly day.
Happy Earth Day!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:15:40am |
re: #273 Spare O'Lake
It's what a real lefty would call the stinking capitalist bourgeouisie.
True. Which is why we are so very confused all the time.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:15:41am |
re: #587 tradewind
Pretty much the same here in Melvis, but that damn dusting out West is about to cause havoc when it moves here by way of severe thunderstorms with tornado-ish crap Saturday...
heh. tradewinds are all well and good until they brew funnel clouds, right!?
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:16:30am |
re: #590 NJDhockeyfan
Obama and Biden to Celebrate Earth Day by Tying Up New York Air Traffic
Happy Earth Day!
Excellent news! The masses will be pleased at the opportunity to felicitate and bask in the presence of such great men.
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tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:17:23am |
re: #592 Aceofwhat?
Price we pay for living in paradise....
Guess I had better go clear out the tornado closet...
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:17:25am |
re: #554 Killgore Trout
Thereby proving exactly what Stone and Parker said would happen. The network and the creators of South Park got threatened by the very radical Islamists for their portrayal of Mohammad (though the Islamists claim it was merely a warning, and not an actual threat).
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:18:07am |
re: #591 SanFranciscoZionist
True. Which is why we are so very confused all the time.
I've always considered the American left - except for the New Left (and you KNOW who you are) - to be more or less a lifestyle or a hobby rather than an authentic leftism.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:18:51am |
A sense of media breathlessness can only last so long...
AKA The TP Fall Begins
The tea party's exaggerated importance
Love this paragraph...
"Part of the reason is the timeless truth in media that nothing succeeds like excess. But part of the reason is a convergence of incentives for journalists and activists on left and right alike to exaggerate both the influence and exotic traits of the tea-party movement. In fact, there is a word for what poll after poll depicts as a group of largely white, middle-class, middle-aged voters who are aggrieved: Republicans."
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:19:14am |
re: #581 Killgore Trout
They worded the statement carefully enough so they can't be outright arrested. They are claiming it was a warning, not a threat. I think this is the same guy from the "Islamic Thinkers Society", he's kind of like an Islamic Fred Phelps.
No, he's not like Phelps. Phelps is a fairly isolated nut, rejected even by people of a fairly theocratic bent for his extremism. These "revolutionmuslim" types are not nearly as isolated in terms of their support and their thinking is much more widespread. Moreover the "Westboro Baptist Church", ugly though it is, does not engage in acts of violence, whereas Islamic Radicals can and often do so engage.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:19:23am |
re: #301 sattv4u2
Yeah ,, he'd probably be much more comfortable on John Stewarts show with all the swearing and name calling!
Jesus did a certain amount of very effective name-calling himself from time to time. And if I know fishermen, the apostles probably had mouths like sewers.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:19:39am |
re: #586 Mad Al-Jaffee
For the record, I'm Jewish and I have no problems with how Moses was portrayed.
speaking of offensive, i read last month that kiwis are technically the most nutritious fruit per gram.
and i thought: first, it's not nice to make gay slurs about New Zealanders...and second, even if they are a little fruity, eating them is certainly not the solution//
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:19:46am |
re: #595 lawhawk
Thereby proving exactly what Stone and Parker said would happen. The network and the creators of South Park got threatened by the very radical Islamists for their portrayal of Mohammad (though the Islamists claim it was merely a warning, and not an actual threat).
CNN asks...Has 'South Park' gone too far this time?
(CNN) -- Nothing is sacred on "South Park."
This is a show, after all, that once painted God as a gap-toothed rhinoceros-monkey, portrays Satan as a simpering milquetoast and regularly features Jesus as a superhero -- the kind who's not afraid to ignore the peaceful teachings of the Sermon on the Mount to smite his opponents. The show has mocked Jews, Catholics, Mormons, Scientologists and atheists, among (many) others.
It's a formula that's generally served "South Park" well, allowing it to score comic points by riffing on hypocrisy while emphasizing a message of libertarianism and tolerance, and it's one that goes back to the show's beginnings, points out former Dallas Morning News TV critic Ed Bark, who blogs at UncleBarky.com. After all, he recalls, the show began as a Christmas short violently pitting Santa Claus against Jesus.
But have they gone too far this time with a depiction of the Prophet Mohammed in a bear suit?
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laZardo Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:20:15am |
re: #597 Guanxi88
I've always considered the American left - except for the New Left (and you KNOW who you are) - to be more or less a lifestyle or a hobby rather than an authentic leftism.
Don't hate me because I always order my Starbucks frappuccinos in a special "for-here mug" because I care about the earth!
/on that note, happy earth day.
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tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:20:30am |
re: #595 lawhawk
You know they knew exactly what response they'd draw. Have to hand it to them for taking it to 'em anyway.
I do hope they don't have to do anything as drastic as diving into WitSec.....but they might have to lay low for a while to prevent another Theo.
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:21:08am |
re: #402 lawhawk
Re lawhawk's post yesterday on the prohibition of the burka in France (and my answer): it's a proposed law calling for the total prohibition of the burka in all public places - just as lawhawk said. I had commented that I believed that it would still be tolerated on the street (but nowhere else) sort of like a Halloween costume, but in fact it's a total prohibition. Sort of the opposite of the law that forbids people from strolling around nekkid outside.
But the important thing to remember is that it's a potential rather than a done deal. As autocratic as the French Presidency is, there are still two functioning legislative bodes here, equivalent to the Senate and the House of Representatives. Getting it passed could be difficult, and it won't be voted upon for months. Even if it is passed, there's something analogous to the Supreme Court here which statutes on law considered unconstitutional - meaning that nothing can be said to be finished until the Fat Lady sings the Marseillaise - which may turn out to be never. We shall see in due time.
It's also a question of party politics, but that would make for a much longer post.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:21:12am |
re: #600 SanFranciscoZionist
I've always imagined that Jesus used the words "Horseshit!" (or it's equivalent) when speaking to folks.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:21:16am |
re: #310 Varek Raith
Yet more graduates from the Imperial Academy for Marksmanship.
Katyushas are not exactly 'smart bombs'. Basically, you get the thing going and hope it hits something good.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:21:39am |
Morning. Lizards!
Looks like the fun is already starting in Arizona:
Truck driver forced to show birth certificate claims racial-profiling
PHOENIX – A Valley man says he was pulled over Wednesday morning and questioned when he arrived at a weigh station for his commercial vehicle along Val Vista and the 202 freeway.
Abdon says he provided several key pieces of information but what he provided apparently was not what was needed.
He tells 3TV, “I don't think it's correct, if I have to take my birth certificate with me all the time.”
3TV caught up with Abdon after he was released from the Immigration and Customs Enforcement office in central Phoenix. He and his wife, Jackie, are still upset about what happened to him.
Jackie tells 3TV, “It's still something awful to be targeted. I can't even imagine what he felt, people watching like he was some type of criminal.”
Abdon was told he did not have enough paperwork on him when he pulled into a weigh station to have his commercial truck checked. He provided his commercial driver’s license and a social security number but ended up handcuffed.
An agent called his wife and she had to leave work to drive home and grab other documents like his birth certificate.
Jackie explains, “I have his social security card as well and mine. He's legit. It's the first time it's ever happened.”
Both were born in the United States and say they are now both infuriated that keeping important documents safely at home is no longer an option.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:21:49am |
A little recent history lesson, the Islamist fundies already got the Muhammad-bear thing once.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:22:10am |
re: #593 Guanxi88
Excellent news! The masses will be pleased at the opportunity to felicitate and bask in the presence of such great men.
Yes, it is a honor to be the presence of The One.
/BTW, its not a big deal that they used two planes. The President and Vice President always fly separately for Continuity of Government reasons.
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tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:22:10am |
re: #598 Rightwingconspirator
Worked real well for Scott Brown... and if the polls are correct, he's going to have company.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:22:30am |
re: #610 Dark_Falcon
Yes, it is a honor to be the presence of The One.
/BTW, its not a big deal that they used two planes. The President and Vice President always fly separately for Continuity of Government reasons.
See Poland
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:22:54am |
re: #601 Aceofwhat?
speaking of offensive, i read last month that kiwis are technically the most nutritious fruit per gram.
and i thought: first, it's not nice to make gay slurs about New Zealanders...and second, even if they are a little fruity, eating them is certainly not the solution//
I try to occasionally eat a kiwi because I like to eat healthy, but it's a real bitch to pluck out all of those feathers!
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:23:30am |
re: #606 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've always imagined that Jesus used the words "Horseshit!" (or it's equivalent) when speaking to folks.
How about "If you behave yourselves, you'll get pie in the sky when you die"?
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tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:24:18am |
re: #606 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I believe ' you brood of vipers ' was a fave.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:24:22am |
re: #615 ryannon
How about "If you behave yourselves, you'll get pie in the sky when you die"?
IN the sweet by and by.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:24:23am |
re: #614 Mad Al-Jaffee
I try to occasionally eat a kiwi because I like to eat healthy, but it's a real bitch to pluck out all of those feathers!
You're suppose to eat the kiwis "fruit," not the whole kiwi. Next time just grab the little fruits and twist them off. It's easy.
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avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:25:14am |
re: #610 Dark_Falcon
Yes, it is a honor to be the presence of The One.
/BTW, its not a big deal that they used two planes. The President and Vice President always fly separately for Continuity of Government reasons.
Plus, I don't think locking up the POTUS is the WH to save fuel will pay off in the end. Like any COE, has often needs to travel on business and to bitch about this trip is petty ODS.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:25:38am |
re: #611 tradewind
I still think the TP glommed onto him more than vice-versa. But I expect incumbents of various kinds to be in trouble this year. In any case with or without the TP all those "disaffected white men" will still be there.
Was that not the old "silent majority"?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:26:01am |
Here's some Good News:
US military jury clears SEAL in Iraq abuse case
BAGHDAD (AP) — A U.S. military jury cleared a Navy SEAL Thursday of failing to prevent the beating of an Iraqi prisoner suspected of masterminding a 2004 attack that killed four American security contractors.
The contractors' burned bodies were dragged through the streets and two were hanged from a bridge over the Euphrates river in the former insurgent hotbed of Fallujah, in what became a turning point in the Iraq war.
The trial of three SEALs, the Navy's elite special forces unit, in the abuse case has outraged many Americans who see it as coddling terrorists.
A six-man jury found Petty Officer 1st Class Julio Huertas, 29, of Blue Island, Illinois, not guilty of charges of dereliction of duty and attempting to influence the testimony of another service member. The jury spent two hours deliberating the verdict.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:26:08am |
Maker of controversial Muhammad cartoons plans more
Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard is planning to produce a new series of political lampoons. He told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that he wants his newspaper to decide this spring whether or not to publish the new work.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:27:13am |
re: #618 Walter L. Newton
You're suppose to eat the kiwis "fruit," not the whole kiwi. Next time just grab the little fruits and twist them off. It's easy.
Those little flightless birds are a bitch to catch!
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tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:27:30am |
re: #605 ryannon
When you think about it, even though it may seem a little extreme to ban it completely, a full burka can be a big security problem in a country that's known for its carbecues.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:27:35am |
re: #619 avanti
Plus, I don't think locking up the POTUS is the WH to save fuel will pay off in the end. Like any COE, has often needs to travel on business and to bitch about this trip is petty ODS.
No, I think it's funny as hell that the celebrations to encourage a heightened sense of our responsibility for the environment in which we live will necessitate massive traffic tie-ups.
ODS would be suggesting he's doing this in order to sneak in another "date-night" with Michelle to discuss what they're going to do about the Kenyan Birth Certificate that shows Malcom X to be his father.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:28:01am |
Glenn Beck the Prophet: ‘God is giving me a plan’ (with video)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:28:36am |
re: #619 avanti
Plus, I don't think locking up the POTUS is the WH to save fuel will pay off in the end. Like any COE, has often needs to travel on business and to bitch about this trip is petty ODS.
Still, if the theme of Earth Day is Conservation, he should have used a special Acela Amtrak train to showcase low emissions. Just my 2 cents, since it really isn't a scandal. Just normal big shot behavior.
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Ojoe Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:28:58am |
re: #608 Lidane
If you carried your B.C. around all the time it would wear out.
Or be stolen.
Let's tattoo a number on everyone.
Sarc Sarc Sarc.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:29:06am |
re: #621 Dark_Falcon
Here's some Good News:
nice. in a case like that, deliberating for two hours = slam dunk.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:29:22am |
re: #627 Guanxi88
No, I think it's funny as hell that the celebrations to encourage a heightened sense of our responsibility for the environment in which we live will necessitate massive traffic tie-ups.
And I love it when rock stars take private jets to concerts that promote environmentalism.
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badger1970 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:29:27am |
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tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:30:21am |
re: #627 Guanxi88
Look at it this way.... if Malcom X, an Omaha, NB native, did turn out to be his daddy, it'd put an end forever to all the birther crap.//
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:31:00am |
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:31:49am |
re: #634 tradewind
Look at it this way... if Malcom X, an Omaha, NB native, did turn out to be his daddy, it'd put an end forever to all the birther crap.//
If, and only if, we knew for certain that Malcom X and Obama, Sr., weren't the same person.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:32:21am |
re: #635 Guanxi88
I had ducks visit my backyard pond this morning. They looked delicious.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:32:44am |
More immigration idiocy:
Brian Bilbray, GOP Rep., Claims Clothes Identify Illegal Immigrants
John McCain has no reason to fear illegal immigrants "intentionally causing accidents on the freeway" -- according to Rep. Brian Bilbray (R-Calif.), "trained professionals" can identify undocumented workers just by looking at their clothes.
Discussing Arizona's pending profiling bill on "Hardball," Chris Matthews challenged Bilbray to cite a "non-ethnic aspect" by which law enforcement agents could identify illegal immigrants. "They will look at the kind of dress you wear, there is different type of attire, there is different type of -- right down to the shoes, right down to the clothes," Bilbray replied.
Of course, law enforcement wouldn't detain people based solely on clothing, Bilbray said. They also know to look out for the ways in which illegal immigrants just act illegal.
"It's mostly behavior, just as the law enforcement people here in Washington, D.C. does it based on certain criminal activity," he told Matthews. "There is behavior things that professionals are trained in across the board, and this group shouldn't be exempt from those observations as much as anybody else [sic throughout]."
*sigh*
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avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:33:01am |
re: #629 Dark_Falcon
Still, if the theme of Earth Day is Conservation, he should have used a special Acela Amtrak train to showcase low emissions. Just my 2 cents, since it really isn't a scandal. Just normal big shot behavior.
I guess I've always just assumed all POTUS's are big shots, and that why we have AF 1. If we have a "Amtrak 1 and 2" on standby with all the high tech communications and security gear on board, I might agree.
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Ojoe Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:33:16am |
re: #615 ryannon
I imagine his language when he threw the money-changers out of the temple was very purple.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:33:18am |
re: #636 Guanxi88
If, and only if, we knew for certain that Malcom X and Obama, Sr., weren't the same person.
Have you ever seen them in the same room? Hmmmm? This is a case for George Norry to investigate.
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tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:33:31am |
re: #620 Rightwingconspirator
No majority in my neck of the woods. I guess old is the applicable word there.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:33:32am |
re: #637 Killgore Trout
I had ducks visit my backyard pond this morning. They looked delicious.
Depends on what they;ve been eating. Go on down to the hardware store and buy a bag of "deer corn" and star feeding them properly. Ducks on their own grub around and get all "gamey" on ya.
A couple weeks of feeding them, and they'll be tame enough you could just scoop them up, and, best of all, their meat will be clean.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:34:22am |
re: #605 ryannon
the law in Belgium is much closer to being a done deal...the only thing hanging it up is an unrelated spat between the Flemish and the Wallons.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:34:24am |
re: #641 NJDhockeyfan
Have you ever seen them in the same room? Hmmm? This is a case for George Norry to investigate.
My third favorite famous Lebanese.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:34:44am |
Hayward men get six months for BB gun hate-crime shooting
SAN FRANCISCO — Three Hayward cousins have pleaded guilty to shooting a man in the face with a BB gun because they thought he was gay, and were sentenced to six months in jail.
Mohammad Habibzada, 24, Shafiq Hashemi, 21, and Sayed Bassam, 21, also will be on probation for three years and must complete as much as 400 hours of community service, including 40 hours of hate-crime sensitivity training, according to the San Francisco District Attorney's Office.
Police said the men went to San Francisco on Feb. 26 armed with an air rifle and video camera, targeting people who they thought were gay, including a man who was standing outside a Mission District bar smoking a cigarette.
They shot the man in the cheek and were caught soon after when the victim — while giving a report to police — spotted their car still in the area.
The victim was not seriously injured, police said.
Investigators found the rifle and camera, which contained footage of 11 additional attacks that appeared to occur in San Francisco.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:34:46am |
re: #637 Killgore Trout
I had ducks visit my backyard pond this morning. They looked delicious.
Tony Soprano wouldn't like that.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:35:05am |
re: #643 Guanxi88
Depends on what they;ve been eating. Go on down to the hardware store and buy a bag of "deer corn" and star feeding them properly. Ducks on their own grub around and get all "gamey" on ya.
A couple weeks of feeding them, and they'll be tame enough you could just scoop them up, and, best of all, their meat will be clean.
That's illegal, though. Killing ducks out of season. Big fine if you get caught.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:35:33am |
re: #648 Dark_Falcon
That's illegal, though. Killing ducks out of season. Big fine if you get caught.
That's why you don't get caught.
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badger1970 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:35:33am |
re: #637 Killgore Trout
In the town I live, a duck got ran over and 5 patrolmen drove to the scene and blocked traffic until the little guy could be tucked in a plastic sack.
I kid you not.
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avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:35:36am |
re: #632 Mad Al-Jaffee
And I love it when rock stars take private jets to concerts that promote environmentalism.
I don't even have a problem with that, or the expense involved. They'll raise more than enough extra money to spend on energy saving to offset the expense and carbon footprint.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:36:29am |
re: #612 Guanxi88
Exactly, and preventing President Pelosi is worth the gas.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:36:56am |
re: #650 badger1970
In the town I live, a duck got ran over and 5 patrolmen drove to the scene and blocked traffic until the little guy could be tucked in a plastic sack.
I kid you not.
I saw a little family of ducks stuck on the expressway get obliterated once near Philly/Camden... on I295...
About broke my heart.
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Ojoe Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:36:59am |
re: #650 badger1970
Bluejays are protected & you are not supposed to have their feathers, in California anyway.
BBL
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:37:09am |
re: #646 NJDhockeyfan
Now what religion and culture do you suppose those men are from?
Hint: Starts with an 'I', ends with a 'slam'.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:38:15am |
re: #653 Mad Al-Jaffee
Are they Quakers?
Maybe. There is a slight chance they may convert to another religion while incarcerated but who knows what that may be.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:39:13am |
re: #630 Ojoe
If you carried your B.C. around all the time it would wear out.
Or be stolen.
Let's tattoo a number on everyone.
Sarc Sarc Sarc.
We could micro-chip them!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:40:23am |
South Korea Suspects North Korean Torpedo Behind Ship Sinking
South Korea suspects a North Korean torpedo caused the mysterious sinking of one of its navy ships last month, Reuters reported, citing South Korea's Yonhap News.
The South Korean military points to intelligence gathered in a joint investigation with the United States, marking the strongest accusations yet that North Korea was behind the March 26 incident.
Fifty-eight of the ship's crew were rescued while the ship was sinking and 38 bodies have been found, most of them last week, when the stern was raised from the water. Eight crew members are still unaccounted for.
Until now, South Korean officials had not openly blamed the North for one of its worst naval disasters, though investigators had said the explosion was most likely external.
Last week, North Korea accused South Korea of spreading false rumors about the incident. North Korean officials have denied involvement in the blast that broke the 1,200-ton Cheonan into two pieces during a routine patrol near the countries' sea border.
North Korea has suggested that the South seeks to blame North Korea in order to strengthen the ruling party's position in upcoming local elections and shore up international sanctions against the North. The U.N. Security Council slapped on tough new sanctions on North Korea following its second nuclear test last year.
The divided peninsula remains technically at war, since the 1950-53 Korean War ended in a cease-fire, not a peace treaty.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:41:37am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:43:13am |
I'm watching an episode of "Community" on InDemand.
Great line, just delivered by Chevy Chase...
"When I was born, I got my umbilical chord wrapped around my neck, both arms and one of my ankles. Mom said that there came a point where the doctors just stopped delivering me and started laughing..."
Excellent show, if you haven't seen it.
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tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:43:20am |
re: #652 Rightwingconspirator
Maybe Madame Speaker 's touchups are keeping her out of touch...
[Link: insciences.org...]
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:43:30am |
re: #662 SanFranciscoZionist
Klinger...and Khalil Gibran?
Close:
Shakira and Klinger. Then George Noory
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:43:44am |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:44:31am |
re: #663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm watching an episode of "Community" on InDemand.
Great line, just delivered by Chevy Chase...
"When I was born, I got my umbilical chord wrapped around my neck, both arms and one of my ankles. Mom said that there came a point where the doctors just stopped delivering me and started laughing..."
Excellent show, if you haven't seen it.
love it. i thought Joel McHale transitioned nicely into a sitcom setting. (love him on Soup)
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:44:44am |
re: #665 Guanxi88
Close:
Shakira and Klinger. Then George Noory
Although, Kathy Najimy (the voice of Peggy hill) is pretty damned funny, too, as I think of it.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:44:49am |
re: #661 Dark_Falcon
It is extremely hard (and at the same time very sad) to believe how isolated North Korea is after 60(!) years. Even as Russia and China (however reluctantly) start warming over to the evil bourgeois capitalism they still somehow manage to hate without even thinking.
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tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:45:37am |
re: #666 NJDhockeyfan
Maybe they should try a gentler approach..
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:45:48am |
re: #650 badger1970
In the town I live, a duck got ran over and 5 patrolmen drove to the scene and blocked traffic until the little guy could be tucked in a plastic sack.
I kid you not.
Lucky you. I called 911 to tell them that a deer was headed full tilt toward a major traffic street, and they told me they'd 'send a car around' if they had a chance to.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:47:02am |
re: #656 Dark_Falcon
Now what religion and culture do you suppose those men are from?
Hint: Starts with an 'I', ends with a 'slam'.
Gaybashing is not particularly limited to folks from religions beginning with an I. Just saying.
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:47:37am |
re: #626 tradewind
When you think about it, even though it may seem a little extreme to ban it completely, a full burka can be a big security problem in a country that's known for its carbecues.
You've got a point, but in fact the government and police don't give a shit about them since it takes place in the poor suburbs. They've got miles of film footage of guys running around torching cars out there, but practically no one ever gets arrested. It's not for nothing that city planners in France made it nearly impossible for much of the immigrant population to live in the city centers and gradually pushed them out to the low-rent subsidized housing estates outside of town. To each their own.
Rather than rocking the casbah, what the authorities are worried about are bank robberies, murders, petty crime and all kinds of other inventive little tricks that can be carried out without either witnesses or security cameras being able to see actual faces - or being able to determine if it's really a woman rather than Achmed and his friends under all that clothing.
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laZardo Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:47:52am |
re: #667 Aceofwhat?
love it. i thought Joel McHale transitioned nicely into a sitcom setting. (love him on Soup)
The Soup is the only show about Hollywood life I can willingly watch.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:48:40am |
re: #668 Guanxi88
Although, Kathy Najimy (the voice of Peggy hill) is pretty damned funny, too, as I think of it.
She was the cute nun in Sister Act, no?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:49:41am |
re: #669 laZardo
It is extremely hard (and at the same time very sad) to believe how isolated North Korea is after 60(!) years. Even as Russia and China (however reluctantly) start warming over to the evil bourgeois capitalism they still somehow manage to hate without even thinking.
They haven't had a Khrushchev, Gorbachev, or Deng Xiao Peng. They've had a father and son pair of hard-liners.
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:50:19am |
re: #640 Ojoe
I imagine his language when he threw the money-changers out of the temple was very purple.
"NO BLUEBERRY PIE FOR YOU!"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:51:13am |
re: #678 SanFranciscoZionist
Define cute... the fluffy nun with the shrilly voice? Yeah, if that's what you call cute..
She was half of the Kathy and Mo show with Mo Gaffney.
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tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:51:14am |
re: #662 SanFranciscoZionist
Don't forget Danny Thomas on that list. He founded St. Jude Childrens' Research Hospital.
Marlo, we forgive him for.//
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:51:22am |
re: #674 SanFranciscoZionist
Gaybashing is not particularly limited to folks from religions beginning with an I. Just saying.
I know. But in this case religion might have been a factor, and that leads me to worry that community service and classes may just make these guys resentful. I'm not sure they'll come to see their actions as wrong.
| 685 |
Lidane Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:51:38am |
Since this is technically a comics thread, this is only semi-OT:
Archie, Meet Kevin, Riverdale's New Gay Student
Archie, Betty, Veronica and Jughead have a new friend: Archie Comics' first openly gay character.
Kevin Keller, who first appears in Veronica #202 released on September 1st, 2010, is a teenager at Riverdale High School, the fictional universe that has been entertaining kids of all ages since 1939.
"In the last year or two, we've been introducing a lot of new characters: Diverse characters, characters with different ethnicities. With trying to be diverse, we wanted to have everybody at the table," said cartoonist Dan Parent, who's writing and drawing the issue. "We knew at some point we wanted to introduce a gay character, and when I came up with the story idea, we felt it worked in context with this story."
In his introductory story, titled "Isn't it Bromantic?," Kevin's good looks get the attention of Veronica, who doesn't know he's gay because he's the new kid in town. Her thwarted attempts at winning his attraction amuse the other characters – particularly Jughead.
"They just like watching Veronica making a fool of herself, trying to get this guy to like her," Parent said. "At the beginning of the book, Kevin tells Jughead first that he's gay. And Kevin feels kind of bad and wants to tell Veronica why he's not interested. But Jughead keeps saying, 'No, you should wait to tell her,' because he's enjoying watching Veronica's antics."
Cue socon outrage in 3...2...1...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:53:04am |
re: #685 Lidane
Moose might finally get that blow job, huh.
/
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:53:10am |
re: #644 Aceofwhat?
the law in Belgium is much closer to being a done deal...the only thing hanging it up is an unrelated spat between the Flemish and the Wallons.
Yeah, good luck with that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but apparently there are now neighborhoods outside of Brussels where you have to be one or the other to buy or rent. They've really agreed to disagree on just about everything.
Hey, that sounds just like U.S. party politics!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:54:11am |
re: #684 Dark_Falcon
I know. But in this case religion might have been a factor, and that leads me to worry that community service and classes may just make these guys resentful. I'm not sure they'll come to see their actions as wrong.
Perhaps not--what a creepy thing to do.
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Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:54:13am |
re: #685 Lidane
Since this is technically a comics thread, this is only semi-OT:
Archie, Meet Kevin, Riverdale's New Gay Student
Cue socon outrage in 3...2...1...
I'm outraged!! Now where is my "Will and Grace" DVD?
/
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lawhawk Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:54:38am |
Better late than never. The AP runs a significant correction on Gov. Christie's administrative costs compared with those of Gov. Corzine (which ran right before the hotly contested school budget votes).
Once apples to apples were compared, the differences are... minor. Christie and his lt. gov collect salaries, while Corzine didn't take one. That difference alone makes up pretty much all the difference in salaries.
The AP hit piece had tried to claim that Christie's adminstration was twice the size of Corzines, and that there were more people making over $100k than in Corzine. Moreover, the AP counted those positions paid for by other departments but worked in the Governor's office as part of the Executive, while excluding the same from Corzine's figures.
Once the comparison figures were equalized, the difference was... not so much.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:54:55am |
re: #685 Lidane
Reminds me of the Archie/Jughead discussion in Chasing Amy.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:56:46am |
re: #687 ryannon
Yeah, good luck with that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but apparently there are now neighborhoods outside of Brussels where you have to be one or the other to buy or rent. They've really agreed to disagree on just about everything.
Hey, that sounds just like U.S. party politics!
no, you're 100% correct. it's much worse than anything we have going on right now.
| 693 |
laZardo Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:56:51am |
re: #685 Lidane
Oh, I thought Veronica and Betty were lesbian and Archie was just their "median."
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:57:00am |
re: #690 lawhawk
Better late than never. The AP runs a significant correction on Gov. Christie's administrative costs compared with those of Gov. Corzine (which ran right before the hotly contested school budget votes).
Once apples to apples were compared, the differences are... minor. Christie and his lt. gov collect salaries, while Corzine didn't take one. That difference alone makes up pretty much all the difference in salaries.
The AP hit piece had tried to claim that Christie's adminstration was twice the size of Corzines, and that there were more people making over $100k than in Corzine. Moreover, the AP counted those positions paid for by other departments but worked in the Governor's office as part of the Executive, while excluding the same from Corzine's figures.
Once the comparison figures were equalized, the difference was... not so much.
To be fair, Christie is not super-rich like Corzine. He likely does need to be paid.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:58:16am |
re: #688 SanFranciscoZionist
Perhaps not--what a creepy thing to do.
Indeed. It was a nasty form of anti-gay harassment. I hope they learn a lesson, even if I'm not sure about it. I'd rather they become better men.
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Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:58:19am |
re: #694 Dark_Falcon
To be fair, Christie is not super-rich like Corzine. He likely does need to be paid.
Where did Corzine work before becoming a gubner? I forget.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:58:39am |
re: #696 Cannadian Club Akbar
Where did Corzine work before becoming a gubner? I forget.
He ran Goldman Sachs.
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ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:59:00am |
re: #692 Aceofwhat?
no, you're 100% correct. it's much worse than anything we have going on right now.
And it's too bad: a tiny little country with a lot going for it and two linguistically divided factions that want to tear it apart.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 8:59:59am |
re: #690 lawhawk
sheesh. any word on what happens to the journalist who fabricated (let's not mince words) the comparison?
| 700 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:00:23am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:00:37am |
re: #693 laZardo
"Archie was the bitch and Jughead was the butch. That's why Jughead wears that crown-looking hat all the time. He the king of queen Archie's world."
-Hooper, Chasing Amy
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laZardo Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:00:46am |
Headin to bed. Managed to get the day off tomorrow so I can head to school in the afternoon to build my final project.
In the meantime, Chuck Norris has gone off the rails but thankfully there's a replacement:
Nighty!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:02:20am |
re: #698 ryannon
And it's too bad: a tiny little country with a lot going for it and two linguistically divided factions that want to tear it apart.
it runs deeper, unfortunately. the cultures are significantly different. but that's no excuse...it is a shame, plain and simple.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:03:31am |
re: #702 laZardo
Headin to bed. Managed to get the day off tomorrow so I can head to school in the afternoon to build my final project.
In the meantime, Chuck Norris has gone off the rails but thankfully there's a replacement:
[Video]Nighty!
"final project"?
Sounds scary!!
| 706 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:08:59am |
Dodd reform bill would reduce U.S. deficit -CBO
The Democratic Senate financial reform bill would reduce the U.S. budget deficit by $21 billion over the next 10 years, according to a cost estimate by the Congressional Budget Office obtained by Reuters on Wednesday.
Fiscal responsibility!
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:10:18am |
re: #706 Killgore Trout
Dodd reform bill would reduce U.S. deficit -CBO
Fiscal responsibility!
Yeah, nothing quite like levying additional taxes and fees to reduce the deficit. Another approach would be to reduce expenditures, but that one, for a variety of reasons, won't be brought up.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:11:27am |
re: #707 Guanxi88
Yeah, nothing quite like levying additional taxes and fees to reduce the deficit. Another approach would be to reduce expenditures, but that one, for a variety of reasons, won't be brought up.
I think the first one is because no one has come up with a compelling argument for what to cut besides "waste" or "10% cuts across the board!"
| 709 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:12:12am |
re: #707 Guanxi88
It does reduce spending in that the financial institutions will pay for their own bailout instead of the tax payers.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:13:45am |
re: #708 jamesfirecat
I think the first one is because no one has come up with a compelling argument for what to cut besides "waste" or "10% cuts across the board!"
And getting rid of the DoEd. That would save some money.
/
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:14:34am |
re: #710 SanFranciscoZionist
And getting rid of the DoEd. That would save some money.
/
Book learnin' leads to socialism!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:16:07am |
re: #704 Aceofwhat?
it runs deeper, unfortunately. the cultures are significantly different. but that's no excuse...it is a shame, plain and simple.
The Walloons had the upper hand in Belgium for a long time and mostly ran it their way. But now the key industries of Wallonia (coal and steel) are mostly gone, and that has left the Walloons dependent on subsidies from the Flemings.
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tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:16:30am |
re: #706 Killgore Trout
The bill authored by Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd is designed to ensure that no financial firm is too big to fail.
...and yet, there has to be a slush fund to catch them when they do? The cognitive dissonance here boggles.
You do see that the CBO report says that the reduction would come if the financial industry provides its own slush fund. Like THAT's going to happen.
Back to the drawing board.
| 714 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:16:50am |
re: #704 Aceofwhat?
it runs deeper, unfortunately. the cultures are significantly different. but that's no excuse...it is a shame, plain and simple.
Indeed: language is culture. It comes with - and determines - the territory. Are you based there?
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:17:42am |
re: #709 Killgore Trout
It does reduce spending in that the financial institutions will pay for their own bailout instead of the tax payers.
I'd be very much surprised if this measure would do anything to alleviate the problem of the financial institutions using their hired hands in the government to pick the taxpayers' pockets.
| 716 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:17:45am |
re: #713 tradewind
...and yet, there has to be a slush fund to catch them when they do? The cognitive dissonance here boggles.
You do see that the CBO report says that the reduction would come if the financial industry provides its own slush fund. Like THAT's going to happen.
Back to the drawing board.
Yeah lets go rewrite the entire thing rather than just dealing with the on offensive part of it!
| 717 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:17:52am |
re: #709 Killgore Trout
I love it! Let them self-insure!//
| 718 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:17:52am |
re: #706 Killgore Trout
Dodd reform bill would reduce U.S. deficit -CBO
Fiscal responsibility!
With Grassley's support in committee, and i hear that Shelby and Dodd are negotiating in good faith on other parts of the bill.
| 719 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:18:01am |
re: #706 Killgore Trout
Dodd reform bill would reduce U.S. deficit -CBO
Fiscal responsibility!
Wow...$21 billion? Really?
...The president directed the bipartisan fiscal commission to come up with recommendations to deal with the escalating national debt and deficits. It is chaired former Clinton White House Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles, a Democrat, and former Sen. Alan Simpson, a Wyoming Republican.
President Obama’s budget proposal for fiscal year 2011 assumes a deficit of $3.8 trillion. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that his fiscal 2011 budget proposal will require $9.8 trillion in new federal borrowing over the next ten years, and that the national will climb to $20.3 trillion by 2020, nearly 90 percent of Gross Domestic Product, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
Fiscal responsibility!
| 720 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:18:22am |
re: #711 Killgore Trout
Book learnin' leads to socialism!
Getting rid of the DoEd (which I do not support due to impracticality) does not mean a cut in spending on actual education. The only thing it cuts as a certainty is bureaucracy.
| 721 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:18:56am |
re: #716 jamesfirecat
Not sure whether you meant ' one ' or
' only ' but in either case, there are several.... many... problems with this one that we haven't even seen.
| 722 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:19:00am |
| 723 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:19:14am |
re: #714 ryannon
Indeed: language is culture. It comes with - and determines - the territory. Are you based there?
no, i lived there when i was younger and revisited a lot. i still keep in touch with people, but i haven't traveled there with my wife yet (10 years this summer)
| 724 |
ryannon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:19:58am |
re: #712 Dark_Falcon
The Walloons had the upper hand in Belgium for a long time and mostly ran it their way. But now the key industries of Wallonia (coal and steel) are mostly gone, and that has left the Walloons dependent on subsidies from the Flemings.
Egg-zactly. And they even want to split into two separate counties. And this is the home-base of the EU!
| 725 |
avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:21:16am |
AP is having a bit of a revolt over at Hot Air after posting a thread critical of the Arizona birther bill. Many of the posters are still convinced Obama was not born in USA.
| 727 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:21:53am |
| 728 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:21:55am |
re: #726 ryannon
BBL: time to torch a car or two.
Make sure you get GM products; as Americans, we all have stock in the company, and ain't no business like repeat business.
| 729 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:22:00am |
re: #718 Aceofwhat?
With Grassley's support in committee, and i hear that Shelby and Dodd are negotiating in good faith on other parts of the bill.
That's true. The bill likely pass with some bipartisan support. Glenn Beck will whine, but for the most part the GOP seems to have decided that in order to get a bill they won't hate, the have to accept some things they don't like.
| 730 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:23:09am |
This is starting to strain credulity re the financial reform issue as presented by the administration...
Greg Craig? Really??.
Meanwhile, however, Goldman is retaining former Obama White House counsel Gregory Craig as a member of its legal team. In addition, when he worked as an investment banker in Chicago a decade ago, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel advised one client who also retained Goldman as an adviser on the same $8.2 billion deal.
Read more: [Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]
| 731 |
Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:23:57am |
I think I just set up the cable box to record a TV show tonight. Instructions are great. Or are they? I'll find out tonight!
| 732 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:24:06am |
re: #725 avanti
AP is having a bit of a revolt over at Hot Air after posting a thread critical of the Arizona birther bill. Many of the posters are still convinced Obama was not born in USA.
Time for him to start wielding the Ban Hammer. He needs to remember the wise examples of Charles and Arianna Huffington, both of whom have seem their sites improve once the outright haters and crazies were banished.
| 733 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:24:27am |
Time to contribute to the national work force. Later lizards!
| 734 |
simoom Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:24:46am |
re: #105 simoom
Here's the video of Anderson Cooper's first-rate interview with Arizona Republican State Representative Cecil Ash, who voted for the AZ Birther legislation:
Go journalism.
Oh, and here's McCain primary opponent J D Hayworth's latest contribution to this sad chapter in our politics:
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
"He believes that that legislation is drawn too narrowly," said Hayworth communications director Mark Sanders, when TPMDC asked for Hayworth's position. "And his thinking on it is that we require every voter when they go to the polls to prove who they are and prove that they are eligible to vote, so we should require that not only of presidential candidates but also every candidate on the ballot."So does Hayworth think we should demand birth documentation for every candidate for public office, I asked?
"No, that's not what I'm saying," said Sanders. "I'm not addressing birth documentation. I'm addressing eligibility to vote, and that could apply to a lot of different things."
So what is Hayworth demanding proof of, exactly?
"I'm saying in terms of proof of everything," said Sanders. "You can't be a convicted felon and vote. There are requirements that you have to meet in order to vote, and those same requirements should be met by every candidate for every office."
| 736 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:26:56am |
re: #735 Guanxi88
You gonna weed it, hoe it, sucker it, cut it, or lay it in the shed?
:)
| 737 |
filetandrelease Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:27:31am |
Hoo ra for the acquittal of the first Navy seal! And may the fleas of a thousand camels latch on to the gonads of those responsible for bringing these most ridiculous charges against these three honorable men.
| 738 |
webevintage Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:28:40am |
re: #737 filetandrelease
Hoo ra for the acquittal of the first Navy seal! And may the fleas of a thousand camels latch on to the gonads of those responsible for bringing these most ridiculous charges against these three honorable men.
?
| 739 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:28:55am |
re: #734 simoom
Here's the video of Anderson Cooper's first-rate interview with Arizona Republican State Representative Cecil Ash, who voted for the AZ Birther legislation:
[Video]
Can we just make it a rule that Hayworth and his staff have to wear clown costumes to make policy statements? It would make their clownish stupidity easier to bear.
| 740 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:29:22am |
re: #737 filetandrelease
Amen. I knew it was an elite unit, but I saw a discovery channel special on the SEALS and had no idea how incredibly rare it was for anyone entering the program to even get through it.
| 741 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:29:30am |
re: #739 Dark_Falcon
Can we just make it a rule that Hayworth and his staff have to wear clown costumes to make policy statements? It would make their clownish stupidity easier to bear.
Maybe we can make their official campaign sound track catchy circus music!
| 742 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:29:30am |
| 743 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:29:59am |
re: #741 jamesfirecat
Maybe we can make their official campaign sound track catchy circus music!
Sick idea, I LIKE it.
| 744 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:30:12am |
re: #737 filetandrelease
Wasn't it another US military officer who made the allegations that led to the charges?
| 745 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:30:56am |
re: #741 jamesfirecat
Maybe we can make their official campaign sound track catchy circus music!
did we just find a good place for ICP music? Fucking magnets!!
| 746 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:32:42am |
re: #734 simoom
I have Democrat relatives in Arizona who are used to the Republicans running things, but this McCain v. Hayworth is almost too much. They're thinking of changing parties to Republican just to vote McCain and keep Hayworth out.
What a choice. Does the senile old man even have a chance? I'm not usually so critical of older folks but John "I never said I was a maverick" McCain should see a specialist.
| 748 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:35:25am |
re: #747 tradewind
It's a kinder explanation of why he claimed he never called himself a maverick than outright deception and lying.
| 749 |
avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:36:28am |
re: #728 Guanxi88
Make sure you get GM products; as Americans, we all have stock in the company, and ain't no business like repeat business.
GM intends to issue a new IPO this year and buy back the company from tax payers, and we may make money on the deal in the end.
| 750 |
zora Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:37:16am |
re: #746 marjoriemoon
in response to a question about immigration. he said that illegal immigrants purposely cause highway accidents. i wondered if he understood the question.
| 752 |
avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:38:06am |
re: #744 Obdicut
Wasn't it another US military officer who made the allegations that led to the charges?
Yes, most of the issue was the cover up, not so much the beating.
| 753 |
Kragar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:38:24am |
re: #744 Obdicut
Wasn't it another US military officer who made the allegations that led to the charges?
I think it was the lawyer for the terrorist who said his client was beaten after the commando raid where they arrested him.
| 754 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:38:30am |
re: #748 Obdicut
I know that you dearly love questioning others' mental abilities, but there is no basis for calling McCain ' senile'.
| 755 |
Lidane Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:38:38am |
It had to happen eventually, but it's still a bummer. An internet meme is biting the dust:
The Downfall of Hitler Parodies: Videos Removed From YouTube in Copyright Action
This week, YouTube began trying to obliterate one of the most popular internet memes of all time, the Downfall parodies featuring an enraged Adolf Hitler, after a copyright claim by the German production house that owns the movie’s rights.
| 756 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:39:19am |
re: #747 tradewind
Uncalled for.
Why? That's he's senile? Explain to me why he said he wasn't a maverick then.
| 757 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:39:51am |
re: #753 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I think it was the lawyer for the terrorist who said his client was beaten after the commando raid where they arrested him.
Yes, but had there been no corroboration it would have simply been dismissed under the "BS lawyers spew" category.
| 758 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:40:11am |
re: #754 tradewind
I know that you dearly love questioning others' mental abilities, but there is no basis for calling McCain ' senile'.
If the guy can't remember how many houses he owns and can't recall how many times he called himself a Maverick...
It seems like he's either lieing, or his mind is simply out to lunch.
| 759 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:40:25am |
re: #753 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
(Rats. There goes all the schadenfreude......).
| 760 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:41:01am |
re: #750 zora
Well, there is a small grain of truth to that. I'm not in the least excusing what he said, but illegal immigrants, as well as legal immigrants, are recruited by gangs to participate in insurance fraud schemes, including ones resulting in highway accidents.
[Link: www.claimsmag.com...]
However, the illegal immigrants and others are usually forced into doing this, lied to, or otherwise coerced into being participants. They rarely see any of the money.
The illegal immigrants are targeted by the criminals as compatriots because they are afraid of going to the police.
| 761 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:41:03am |
re: #756 marjoriemoon
Why? That's he's senile? Explain to me why he said he wasn't a maverick then.
Because he's running for reelection and the primary voters have signaled they favor "Real Conservatives" over "Mavericks".
| 762 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:41:10am |
re: #756 marjoriemoon
I don't know, but I am pretty sure neither do you. And unless you've examined him, you really have no reason to question his mental capacity.
| 763 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:41:29am |
re: #750 zora
in response to a question about immigration. he said that illegal immigrants purposely cause highway accidents. i wondered if he understood the question.
That's another one. I'm dead serious. I think his mind is slipping.
| 764 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:42:17am |
re: #758 jamesfirecat
He doesn't own the houses, just for the record..... they're his wife's.
John Kerry had the same problem, and no one wondered if he was losing it.
| 765 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:42:37am |
re: #755 Lidane
It had to happen eventually, but it's still a bummer. An internet meme is biting the dust:
The Downfall of Hitler Parodies: Videos Removed From YouTube in Copyright Action
Sad, but the company asking for the removal does own the rights. Property rights are a great thing, but sometimes they do sting a bit.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:42:39am |
re: #755 Lidane
It had to happen eventually, but it's still a bummer. An internet meme is biting the dust:
The Downfall of Hitler Parodies: Videos Removed From YouTube in Copyright Action
Someone needs to make a video of Hitler complaining about the removing of the videos.
| 767 |
cliffster Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:42:49am |
Tonight, I'm going to recycle my beer bottles instead of throwing them out the car window
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filetandrelease Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:43:01am |
re: #744 Obdicut
An officer said the scum was punched in the stomach. Oweee. And of course that the scum responsible for dragging the dead Americans through the street and then hanging up on the bridge also had a fat lip.
That officer simply reported an incident and falls short of my prayer for fleas on his gonads, that prayer is for those responsible for filing charges.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:43:53am |
re: #766 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Someone needs to make a video of Hitler complaining about the removing of the videos.
Someone already did. It's at the link.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:44:02am |
re: #768 filetandrelease
Okay. So who was responsible for filing the charges? Can you name them?
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:44:04am |
re: #763 marjoriemoon
There was a very prolific car insurance scam going for a while, that did use illegal immigrants as the "victims".
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subsailor68 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:44:19am |
re: #744 Obdicut
Wasn't it another US military officer who made the allegations that led to the charges?
Hi Obdicut! I'm not sure if it was an officer, or the third class petty officer (not a SEAL), Kevin DiMartino, who testified at the hearing that he saw one of the SEALs punch Abed in the mouth and draw blood - but it looks like that SEAL wasn't Huertas. The military jury didn't buy DiMartino's story.
The two others (Keefe and McCabe) have their trials coming up shortly.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:44:21am |
re: #764 tradewind
He doesn't own the houses, just for the record... they're his wife's.
John Kerry had the same problem, and no one wondered if he was losing it.
Can you send me a link to the time that John had a mental blank when asked how many houses he owns?
Like here....
[Link: www.politico.com...]
| 774 |
zora Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:45:50am |
re: #760 Obdicut
while partially true, it did not answer the question he was asked.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:45:50am |
re: #773 jamesfirecat
Can you send me a link to the time that John had a mental blank when asked how many houses he owns?
Like here...
[Link: www.politico.com...]
speaking of idiotic memes...good grief
| 776 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:45:51am |
re: #762 tradewind
I don't know, but I am pretty sure neither do you. And unless you've examined him, you really have no reason to question his mental capacity.
I can question it all day long. He should see a specialist.
You don't know or you don't want to answer? It is rather insane for him to say he never said what he said for practically an entire year. I don't want to examine him. I want someone else to.
He's got a snowball's chance in hell of winning that election.
| 777 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:46:22am |
re: #772 subsailor68
Thank you.
My understanding of this story is as Avanti said, that it's about a coverup, not about the actual actions. I don't see any reason why the charges were ridiculous on the face of them.
| 778 |
subsailor68 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:46:24am |
re: #772 subsailor68
Oops. Sorry Obdicut. Here's the link to the story (it's Fox, but seems to be pretty thorough):
| 779 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:47:58am |
re: #774 zora
Oh definitely, definitely. It's either a really nasty anti-immigration smear that we'll be seeing more of in the future, or it was just a random thing in his head vaguely connected to immigration.
Either way, not good.
| 780 |
tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:48:55am |
re: #773 jamesfirecat
Yeah, coming right up.//
Kerry often had to explain that he knew nothing about what he didn't own. But then again, he'd had a lot of practice .... even before Heinz and company.
| 781 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:49:02am |
re: #771 Rightwingconspirator
There was a very prolific car insurance scam going for a while, that did use illegal immigrants as the "victims".
I saw the video here the other day of McCain on FOX talking about illegal immigrants purposely hitting other people. I was curious as to when that interview was taken. It said "Senator McCain" on the teleprompter so we know it wasn't as far back as him being governor, but it's true that that's a rather old story. We had it here in Miami. I don't think they were illegals, but certainly undesirables were hitting cars and then carjacking them. Happened 10-15 years ago though.
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filetandrelease Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:49:41am |
re: #770 Obdicut
Okay. So who was responsible for filing the charges? Can you name them?
President Obama?/
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subsailor68 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:50:22am |
re: #777 Obdicut
Thank you.
My understanding of this story is as Avanti said, that it's about a coverup, not about the actual actions. I don't see any reason why the charges were ridiculous on the face of them.
Hm, could be, but the trials themselves appear to be about assault and failure to protect, not about covering it up - which is interesting. I need to do some more reading to get the chronology/decisions straight.
| 785 |
filetandrelease Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:50:29am |
re: #772 subsailor68
He said he saw him punch him in the stomach, not the mouth.
| 786 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:51:22am |
Why don't volcanoes have many friends?
They're all ash-holes.
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filetandrelease Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:51:49am |
The Seals are not being charged with a cover up, two are being charged with not protecting said scum, one is being charged with punching him.
| 788 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:52:20am |
re: #776 marjoriemoon
I can question it all day long. He should see a specialist.
You don't know or you don't want to answer? It is rather insane for him to say he never said what he said for practically an entire year. I don't want to examine him. I want someone else to.
He's got a snowball's chance in hell of winning that election.
He's still ahead in the polls and Hayworth is acting like a loon. McCain actually has a good chance and he's still better than any Democrat would be.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:52:27am |
re: #778 subsailor68
Thanks again. That doesn't mention anything related to a coverup. Here's a story that talks about that:
[Link: www.military.com...]
The Army general who ordered three local Navy SEALs to trial for their involvement in an alleged case of detainee abuse says he is more upset by the men's apparent attempt to cover up the incident than by the "relatively minor" injuries inflicted on a high-value detainee.Maj. Gen. Charles T. Cleveland, head of Special Operations Command Central, wrote to lawmakers who had questioned the prosecutions that their perceptions of the case appear to be based upon "incomplete and factually inaccurate press coverage."
Fox News was the first to report in November that the SEALs would be prosecuted for their actions in Iraq in early September, spurring tens of thousands of people to sign online petitions calling for the charges to be dropped.
The military released Cleveland's two-page letter Wednesday evening. It came in response to a Dec. 10 letter from Indiana Rep. Dan Burton, co-signed by 40 other members of Congress.
"While the assault and resulting injury to the detainee were relatively minor, the more disconcerting allegations are those related to the Sailors' attempts to cover up the incident, particularly in what appears to be an effort to influence the testimony of a witness," Cleveland wrote.
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subsailor68 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:52:35am |
re: #785 filetandrelease
He said he saw him punch him in the stomach, not the mouth.
Hi filetandrelease! Actually, you're right on. According to the article:
Navy Petty Officer 3rd Class Kevin DeMartino, who was assigned to process and transport the prisoner and is not a SEAL, testified he saw one SEAL punch the prisoner in the stomach and watched blood spurt from his mouth.
Good catch! (Saw the "blood spurt from his mouth" and missed that the punch was to the stomach.)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:53:03am |
re: #787 filetandrelease
The Seals are not being charged with a cover up, two are being charged with not protecting said scum, one is being charged with punching him.
And one of those charged has now been acquitted.
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DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:53:51am |
re: #725 avanti
AP is having a bit of a revolt over at Hot Air after posting a thread critical of the Arizona birther bill. Many of the posters are still convinced Obama was not born in USA.
The AJC blog had plenty of deniers load up on comments after the legislature proposed a bill that required all candidates in GA elections to provide a certified birth certificate to be on the ballot. That comes from the department of redundant redundency.
Even links like this one: http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html didn't seem to put a dent in the number of wingnuts asking for proof.
That was followed today by posters who were proud of the fact that they only answered question #1 on the census form despite being given evidence like this: http://2010.census.gov/2010census/why/constitutional.php
Prompting me to ask the question... Why is it the same nuts who are asking for personal comfirmation of Obama's original long form birth certificate are objecting to being asked constitutionally encouraged census questions about themselves?
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Stonemason Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:54:33am |
re: #787 filetandrelease
edition.cnn.com...]>Huertas and Keefe had been charged with dereliction of duty, based on the allegation that they failed to safeguard the detainee, according to the military. Huertas also was charged with impeding an investigation by attempting to influence the testimony of another sailor.And it is CNN, not Fox...
| 795 |
DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:56:17am |
re: #786 Mad Al-Jaffee
Why don't volcanoes have many friends?
They're all ash-holes.
Some guys are really into hot ash holes. Like geology fetishists.
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compound idaho Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:56:31am |
re: #771 Rightwingconspirator
There was a very prolific car insurance scam going for a while, that did use illegal immigrants as the "victims".
My daughter was hit by an illegal. No scam, but no insurance either.
| 797 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:56:42am |
re: #788 Dark_Falcon
He's still ahead in the polls and Hayworth is acting like a loon. McCain actually has a good chance and he's still better than any Democrat would be.
McCain has name recognition, that's true and Hayworth is a freakin loony tune, but Hayworth has been coming up in the polls which is a terrible sign.
Better than a Democrat? I guess that depends on what side you're on!
| 798 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:58:06am |
re: #796 compound idaho
My daughter was hit by an illegal. No scam, but no insurance either.
...last time i checked, the penalties for that aren't nearly severe enough.
| 799 |
Lidane Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:58:07am |
re: #792 DaddyG
Why is it the same nuts who are asking for personal comfirmation of Obama's original long form birth certificate are objecting to being asked constitutionally encouraged census questions about themselves?
Because they're the "real America" and President Obama is clearly a dirty foreigner.
/I really wish I was kidding.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:58:19am |
re: #797 marjoriemoon
McCain has name recognition, that's true and Hayworth is a freakin loony tune, but Hayworth has been coming up in the polls which is a terrible sign.
Better than a Democrat? I guess that depends on what side you're on!
I think he was referring to McCain's chances of being elected...
| 801 |
DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 9:59:16am |
re: #794 Stonemason
Sounds like an old Chicago police urban myth...
Your honor we tried to hold him up but we couldn't prevent him from falling onto the guards fist. Repeatedly. //
| 803 |
filetandrelease Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:00:31am |
| 804 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:00:44am |
re: #796 compound idaho
My daughter was hit by an illegal. No scam, but no insurance either.
My last accident, I was broadsided by a young woman. Forget no insurance, no license either. She had a ID card, part of a work release visa thing or something.
She begged me not to call the cops. I told her she should have thought of that before she plowed through the red light. Besides the police station was a block away. I didn't have to call anyone. Three cops kind of magically appeared.
| 805 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:02:42am |
re: #800 jamesfirecat
I think he was referring to McCain's chances of being elected...
No, I wasn't. I was saying that John McCain would be a better senator than any Democrat. It was open partisanship, and I admit it without apology.
| 806 |
avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:03:02am |
re: #784 subsailor68
Hm, could be, but the trials themselves appear to be about assault and failure to protect, not about covering it up - which is interesting. I need to do some more reading to get the chronology/decisions straight.
The Seal's were accused of a cover up by denying they punched the terrorist in the gut and trying to get others to go along. They won because of lack of enough proof that the non Seals testimony backing up the terrorist version was accurate. I suspect a Seal lost his temper, others helped cover his ass and the military just wanted the uppopular issue to go away.
Like many technical infractions of the rules of war that happen in the heat of battle, this one could have just been ignored, but it's a gray area.
| 807 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:03:32am |
re: #804 marjoriemoon
My last accident, I was broadsided by a young woman. Forget no insurance, no license either. She had a ID card, part of a work release visa thing or something.
She begged me not to call the cops. I told her she should have thought of that before she plowed through the red light. Besides the police station was a block away. I didn't have to call anyone. Three cops kind of magically appeared.
i hope she got deported after that. She certainly deserved it.
| 808 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:03:37am |
re: #805 Dark_Falcon
No, I wasn't. I was saying that John McCain would be a better senator than any Democrat. It was open partisanship, and I admit it without apology.
Even an imaginary Democrat who was better than John McCain?
| 809 |
DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:03:41am |
re: #805 Dark_Falcon
No, I wasn't. I was saying that John McCain would be a better senator than any Democrat. It was open partisanship, and I admit it without apology.
McCain's not a Democrat? //
| 810 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:03:49am |
re: #804 marjoriemoon
My last accident, I was broadsided by a young woman. Forget no insurance, no license either. She had a ID card, part of a work release visa thing or something.
She begged me not to call the cops. I told her she should have thought of that before she plowed through the red light. Besides the police station was a block away. I didn't have to call anyone. Three cops kind of magically appeared.
Guess who else is driving around Florida...poorly...?
[Link: jacksonville.com...]
| 811 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:03:49am |
re: #804 marjoriemoon
I was once rear-ended by a drunk illegal immigrant who had a suspended license and no insurance. Nobody was hurt, but I had to get my back bumper replaced. I was subpeoned as a witness to his trial, and he didn't show up for it.
I can't remember if his sister's insurance company (it was her car) paid for the damages. It was over ten years ago.
| 812 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:04:15am |
Had to put my cat down today. My incontinent kitty. He wouldn't eat or drink and he couldn't stand anymore. I'm so sad. I had him 16 years and was full grown when I found him. What a cat. He was so sweet. He mothered all other other kitties, cleaned their ears and coats. Always had a greeting when we came home. Loved to kiss and cuddle, like a puppy. Ack, I'm gonna start crying again.
| 813 |
Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:04:35am |
re: #779 Obdicut
Seems to me the doubly illegal immigrants (felonious law breakers that entered illegally) are the right place to start for serious enforcement. BTW anyone notice the gunmen that took over an entire hotel in Monterrey in search of people to kidnap?
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
| 815 |
badger1970 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:04:58am |
re: #810 Aceofwhat?
Sounds like a Dave Berry running joke. "A Florida drivers license is on the way to..."
| 816 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:05:05am |
re: #806 avanti
I don't think all the people getting outraged about this are actually doing the military any favors, either.
| 817 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:05:13am |
re: #812 marjoriemoon
Had to put my cat down today. My incontinent kitty. He wouldn't eat or drink and he couldn't stand anymore. I'm so sad. I had him 16 years and was full grown when I found him. What a cat. He was so sweet. He mothered all other other kitties, cleaned their ears and coats. Always had a greeting when we came home. Loved to kiss and cuddle, like a puppy. Ack, I'm gonna start crying again.
Damn it why did you have to post that, now I'm gonna cry....
| 818 |
Daniel Ballard Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:05:24am |
re: #781 marjoriemoon
They would cut you off short, then make you rear end them. Very dangerous. It was quite a scam here for a few years.
| 820 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:05:54am |
re: #807 Dark_Falcon
i hope she got deported after that. She certainly deserved it.
Marjorie did not say she was an illegal immigrant.
| 821 |
Kragar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:05:58am |
re: #804 marjoriemoon
My last accident, I was broadsided by a young woman. Forget no insurance, no license either. She had a ID card, part of a work release visa thing or something.
She begged me not to call the cops. I told her she should have thought of that before she plowed through the red light. Besides the police station was a block away. I didn't have to call anyone. Three cops kind of magically appeared.
Was a victim of a hit and run about 10 years ago. The wife and I had gone into a video store and were browsing when one of the clerks walked up and asked if it was our car some lady just backed into and then drove off. Went out and looked and I had a nice dent in my bumper. The clerk called the cops for us, then brought out the application from the lady had just filled out, with her address, phone number and drivers license number on it, plus had the video tape of the parking lot camera copied and ready to give to the cops when they got there.
| 822 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:05:59am |
re: #816 Obdicut
I don't think all the people getting outraged about this are actually doing the military any favors, either.
I agree!
| 823 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:06:00am |
re: #807 Dark_Falcon
i hope she got deported after that. She certainly deserved it.
I don't know. I left her still talking to the cops.
Before they came, she tried to convince me to let her uncle fix my car and honestly, I would have been willing to do that. I mean, I would have taken it to her uncle's shop. Then I found out it wasn't a shop. It was his backyard. It was a bad scene all around.
| 824 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:06:03am |
re: #812 marjoriemoon
They bring us so much happiness. Sorry for your loss.
| 826 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:06:56am |
re: #810 Aceofwhat?
Guess who else is driving around Florida...poorly...?
[Link: jacksonville.com...]
Oh dear, I think she has an addiction problem. Isn't this the second time she was arrested?
| 827 |
subsailor68 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:07:23am |
re: #806 avanti
The Seal's were accused of a cover up by denying they punched the terrorist in the gut and trying to get others to go along. They won because of lack of enough proof that the non Seals testimony backing up the terrorist version was accurate. I suspect a Seal lost his temper, others helped cover his ass and the military just wanted the uppopular issue to go away.
Like many technical infractions of the rules of war that happen in the heat of battle, this one could have just been ignored, but it's a gray area.
Hi Avanti! Yep, I saw the article Obdicut linked. I suspect what you suspect may be right (heh). I did quite a bit of work with the SEALs back in the early 80's and I was very impressed with the amount of self-control they exhibited. It really wasn't much of a surprise when I thought about it - self-control was one of the keys to staying alive. That said, it's certainly possible that one of the guys did lose his temper.
| 828 |
webevintage Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:07:26am |
re: #812 marjoriemoon
He was so sweet. He mothered all other other kitties, cleaned their ears and coats. Always had a greeting when we came home. Loved to kiss and cuddle, like a puppy. Ack, I'm gonna start crying again.
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Marjoriemoon}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
| 829 |
compound idaho Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:07:47am |
re: #804 marjoriemoon
My last accident, I was broadsided by a young woman. Forget no insurance, no license either. She had a ID card, part of a work release visa thing or something.
She begged me not to call the cops. I told her she should have thought of that before she plowed through the red light. Besides the police station was a block away. I didn't have to call anyone. Three cops kind of magically appeared.
I do not sell insurance, but that uninsured / under insured coverage is worthy of consideration. Most people do not carry enough liability, probably myself included.
| 830 |
Stanghazi Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:07:47am |
Check out loyalty oath interpretation from FL GOP. Local GOP officials will have to resign post to endorse indie Crist.
[Link: blogs.tampabay.com...]
| 831 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:08:04am |
Oh thank you my scaly friends ((((group hugs))))
| 832 |
cenotaphium Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:08:21am |
re: #812 marjoriemoon
Had to put my cat down today. My incontinent kitty. He wouldn't eat or drink and he couldn't stand anymore. I'm so sad. I had him 16 years and was full grown when I found him. What a cat. He was so sweet. He mothered all other other kitties, cleaned their ears and coats. Always had a greeting when we came home. Loved to kiss and cuddle, like a puppy. Ack, I'm gonna start crying again.
I've buried 5 cat companions myself. It's heartbreak every time. 16+ years is a good age for a cat though. My sympathies. :(
| 833 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:08:26am |
re: #808 Cato the Elder
Even an imaginary Democrat who was better than John McCain?
Yes. I still maintain that the Democrats are the worse party in the long run. That view may change, but it remains my opinion at the present time.
| 834 |
Stanghazi Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:08:57am |
re: #812 marjoriemoon
Had to put my cat down today. My incontinent kitty. He wouldn't eat or drink and he couldn't stand anymore. I'm so sad. I had him 16 years and was full grown when I found him. What a cat. He was so sweet. He mothered all other other kitties, cleaned their ears and coats. Always had a greeting when we came home. Loved to kiss and cuddle, like a puppy. Ack, I'm gonna start crying again.
Hang in there marjorie.
| 835 |
Buck Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:09:37am |
re: #756 marjoriemoon
Why? That's he's senile? Explain to me why he said he wasn't a maverick then.
He didn't say that he wasn't a maverick, he said he never considered himself one.
“I never considered myself a maverick,” McCain told Newsweek’s David Margolick as part of his rebranding exercise. “I consider myself a person who serves the people of Arizona to the best of his abilities.”
Marilyn Monroe might have said she didn't think of herself as a sex symbol...It is modesty.... not senility.
| 836 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:09:43am |
re: #826 marjoriemoon
Oh dear, I think she has an addiction problem. Isn't this the second time she was arrested?
This time it seems clear she wasn't intoxicated. She just screwed up.
| 837 |
Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:09:49am |
re: #830 Stanley Sea
Check out loyalty oath interpretation from FL GOP. Local GOP officials will have to resign post to endorse indie Crist.
[Link: blogs.tampabay.com...]
Crist is on the record saying he wouldn't run indie.
| 838 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:09:57am |
re: #820 Cato the Elder
Marjorie did not say she was an illegal immigrant.
She most likely was not illegal, unless the visa ran out. She got the ID because she was on either a work visa or a school visa.
| 839 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:10:13am |
re: #833 Dark_Falcon
There isn't a long run, though. The parties are what they are right now.
What 'long run' are you talking about?
| 840 |
DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:10:16am |
re: #827 subsailor68
Hi Avanti! Yep, I saw the article Obdicut linked. I suspect what you suspect may be right (heh). I did quite a bit of work with the SEALs back in the early 80's and I was very impressed with the amount of self-control they exhibited. It really wasn't much of a surprise when I thought about it - self-control was one of the keys to staying alive. That said, it's certainly possible that one of the guys did lose his temper.
I would have to see the evidence before making a judgement. With the aquittal I wonder if the injuries weren't sustained in a scuffle that started with the prisoner.
There is no doubt that our detainees have access to the finest American legal resources. In a way that says something good about us- in other ways its kind of perverse.
| 841 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:10:28am |
re: #826 marjoriemoon
Oh dear, I think she has an addiction problem. Isn't this the second time she was arrested?
yes...she was charged a year or two ago related to driving under the influence of prescription drugs.
| 842 |
DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:11:54am |
re: #829 compound idaho
I do not sell insurance, but that uninsured / under insured coverage is worthy of consideration. Most people do not carry enough liability, probably myself included.
It is a good idea and not too expensive to boost liability. I had to do it in order to drive Boy Scouts on trips in my van.
| 843 |
Stanghazi Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:12:00am |
re: #837 Cannadian Club Akbar
Crist is on the record saying he wouldn't run indie.
The GOP must be worried nonetheless, since they concocted the "oath" on the 19th.
| 844 |
avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:12:45am |
re: #816 Obdicut
I don't think all the people getting outraged about this are actually doing the military any favors, either.
I agree. The military was doing it's job. They got report of abuse, backed up by a witness and followed it up. Unlike Mai Lai where there tried to cover it up, and vilified the soldiers that pursued the issue.
| 845 |
Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:13:35am |
re: #843 Stanley Sea
The GOP must be worried nonetheless, since they concocted the "oath" on the 19th.
I think polls have Crist leading in a 3 way race. But he is double digits behind Rubio.
| 846 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:15:18am |
re: #839 Obdicut
There isn't a long run, though. The parties are what they are right now.
What 'long run' are you talking about?
I think that the GOP will in time emerge from its current fugue and that the leftward direction the Democrats want to go in is the wrong direction for the country.
| 847 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:15:20am |
re: #835 Buck
Marilyn Monroe might have said she didn't think of herself as a sex symbol...It is modesty... not senility.
Modesty. Right.
| 848 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:16:20am |
re: #832 cenotaphium
I've buried 5 cat companions myself. It's heartbreak every time. 16+ years is a good age for a cat though. My sympathies. :(
Oh my. Well my old house was like a pet cemetery. I lived on a crest of a hill that people loved to zoom zoom past. I had 2 raccoons, 3 cats and 2 dogs buried on my little 2000 square foot property because I was the "lucky" one to be around at each accident. Talk about gruesome.
This one is particularly hard because I'll never have another pet like this (we have 5 cats and a dog still). He was amazingly sweet. In fact, when he was a stray, he constantly got the crap beaten out of him so I called him Hector Macho Camacho hoping that it would give him some tough mojo. (Macho the Cat was a skinny little guy too).
| 849 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:17:32am |
re: #812 marjoriemoon
Had to put my cat down today. My incontinent kitty. He wouldn't eat or drink and he couldn't stand anymore. I'm so sad. I had him 16 years and was full grown when I found him. What a cat. He was so sweet. He mothered all other other kitties, cleaned their ears and coats. Always had a greeting when we came home. Loved to kiss and cuddle, like a puppy. Ack, I'm gonna start crying again.
I am so sorry. Big hug.
| 850 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:17:39am |
re: #846 Dark_Falcon
There is really no such thing as 'leftward'. 'Left' and 'right' are trivial, incomplete descriptions of wildly complex issues, and their usage benefits politicians, not citizens. We need to judge ideas-- and people-- on the merits of their ideas, not their position on a fictitious left/right scale.
It's ruining this country to make everything an ideological battle.
| 851 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:18:09am |
Drudge: Obama and Biden to Celebrate Earth Day by Tying Up New York Air Traffic...
Obama and Biden will board separate jets in Washington on Earth Day morning to fly 250 miles up to New York, where they will land at separate airports to attend separate events within a few miles of each other... Jets will be forced to circle and burn more fuel as they wait for the VIPs to come and go...
Outrageous outrage!
| 852 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:18:49am |
re: #812 marjoriemoon
Had to put my cat down today. My incontinent kitty. He wouldn't eat or drink and he couldn't stand anymore. I'm so sad. I had him 16 years and was full grown when I found him. What a cat. He was so sweet. He mothered all other other kitties, cleaned their ears and coats. Always had a greeting when we came home. Loved to kiss and cuddle, like a puppy. Ack, I'm gonna start crying again.
I'm very sorry.
| 853 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:19:03am |
re: #835 Buck
Marilyn Monroe might have said she didn't think of herself as a sex symbol...It is modesty... not senility.
lol Marilyn Monroe never would have said such a thing in her wildest dreams!
We'll have to have a difference of a opinion, I suppose. He's either lying or having mental problems if he's saying he doesn't "consider himself a maverick" (even if that's what he meant, it doesn't change anything) when he spent an entire election talking about it.
| 854 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:19:24am |
re: #850 Obdicut
There is really no such thing as 'leftward'. 'Left' and 'right' are trivial, incomplete descriptions of wildly complex issues, and their usage benefits politicians, not citizens. We need to judge ideas-- and people-- on the merits of their ideas, not their position on a fictitious left/right scale.
It's ruining this country to make everything an ideological battle.
I don't make everything a ideological battle, but the Dems still have fairly strong statist tendencies. I don't like such things.
| 855 |
mj Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:19:27am |
Latest poll on Obama's policy vis a vis Israel
The one negative area in voter appraisal of Obama's foreign policy is that voters disapprove 44 - 35 percent of the way the President is handling the situation between Israel and the Palestinians. Jewish voters, generally supportive of Obama on other issues, turn 67 - 28 percent thumbs down on his handling of Israel and the Palestinians.
American voters say 57 - 13 percent that their sympathies lie with Israel and say 66 - 19 percent that the President of the United States should be a strong supporter of Israel:
But voters say 42 - 34 percent that Obama is not a strong supporter of Israel.
Only 16 percent of Republicans and 33 percent of independents think the President is a strong supporter of Israel, while 53 percent of Democrats do. The wealthier and older the voter, the more likely they are to question Obama's support for Israel. And the racial gap is yawning: 31 percent of white voters, but 54 percent of black voters see him as a strong supporter of Israel.
"While 50 percent of Jews see Obama as a strong supporter of Israel, only 23 percent of Protestants and 35 percent of Roman Catholics see it that way," Brown said. "One explanation may just be that the President's low overall approval among Protestants and Catholics contributes to this disparity."
[Link: www.quinnipiac.edu...]
Some analysis here:
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]
| 856 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:20:21am |
re: #837 Cannadian Club Akbar
Crist is on the record saying he wouldn't run indie.
I just heard last weekend on local TV that he was now considering it. I think he'd run as an Independent before Democrat though.
| 857 |
Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:21:31am |
re: #856 marjoriemoon
I just heard last weekend on local TV that he was now considering it. I think he'd run as an Independent before Democrat though.
And that will be used against him.
| 858 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:21:47am |
John McCain is just being your average wind-socky pol when he denies his "maverickiness".
| 859 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:21:53am |
re: #855 mj
"While 50 percent of Jews see Obama as a strong supporter of Israel, only 23 percent of Protestants and 35 percent of Roman Catholics see it that way," Brown said. "One explanation may just be that the President's low overall approval among Protestants and Catholics contributes to this disparity."
Interesting.
| 860 |
DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:22:07am |
re: #850 Obdicut
There is really no such thing as 'leftward'. 'Left' and 'right' are trivial, incomplete descriptions of wildly complex issues, and their usage benefits politicians, not citizens. We need to judge ideas-- and people-- on the merits of their ideas, not their position on a fictitious left/right scale.
It's ruining this country to make everything an ideological battle.
Spoken like a true leftist! //I kid, I tease. You can't leave the door open like that.
| 861 |
cliffster Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:22:40am |
Soundgarden plays secret show in Seattle
In anticipation of their Lollapalooza headline? They're headlining Lollapalooza?? I might just have to go hand out with them youngsters for a few days. Pass it to the left!
| 862 |
DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:23:46am |
re: #851 Killgore Trout
Drudge: Obama and Biden to Celebrate Earth Day by Tying Up New York Air Traffic...
Outrageous outrage!
Oh yeah. Let's put the top two national leaders on the same plane going into an crowded metro area because it worked soooo well for Poland.
| 863 |
filetandrelease Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:23:59am |
Crist can run how ever he wants, he couldn't win dog catcher down here. He is burnt toast.
The best he can hope for is a Rubio spoiler.
| 864 |
darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:24:20am |
re: #858 Cato the Elder
John McCain is just being your average wind-socky pol when he denies his "maverickiness".
John McCain is a befuddled old man. He's lost his intellectual edge (or what intellectual edge he used to have), and is now just a reactionary politician trying to keep as many primary voters happy as he can. What he doesn't realize, and probably won't ever, is that if he'd just stood his ground and said 'screw the teabaggers', he'd probably have coasted through this primary unscathed. Now he just looks like he's three steps away from standing at an intersection waving at traffic.
| 865 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:24:37am |
re: #835 Buck
Marilyn Monroe might have said she didn't think of herself as a sex symbol...It is modesty... not senility.
It isn't modesty, it's desperation to toe the party line.
| 866 |
lawhawk Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:24:38am |
re: #851 Killgore Trout
It isn't unusual that the President is in town and tying up traffic. That's what presidents do when they come to NYC (which they do with regularity). What is unusual is that both the President and VP are in NYC at the same time, and going to different events in different parts of the city - tying up more areas than usual.
President Obama is downtown in the East Village at Cooper Union. Traffic issues involve the FDR Drive from Houston to 14th Street and across to Cooper Union. VP Biden is on the West Side but is coming in from LGA where traffic tie ups include the GCP, Triboro Bridge, and Harlem/FDR drive to the West Side in the 60s.
But of course, this is all part of a typical day in DC where traffic stops every time a presidential caravan goes through.
| 867 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:24:54am |
re: #854 Dark_Falcon
Calling it 'statist' rather than 'leftist' doesn't really help much. The GOP has huge 'statist' tendencies as well.
I want us to have single-payer health care in this country not because I'm a 'statist' but after careful examination of the health insurance market and the possible solutions. I believe that some form of universal health care is inevitable, since health insurance is a naturally broken market. It is a pragmatic position not based on ideology. It doesn't make me a statist.
The view that the government should do something, be responsible for something is not an inherently 'statist' position, any more than the belief that the government shouldn't do something or have responsibility for something is an 'anarchist' position.'
Far, far too many pragmatic ideas are being attacked solely on the grounds that they involve a government-based or handled solution. That is not a sufficient objection to anything, but it is treated as though it is. And that is hampering our ability to get anything done.
The GOP's anti-science, climate-change denial, pro-theocratic current aspect is far more dangerous to this country than anything the Democrats are doing.
| 868 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:25:34am |
re: #864 darthstar
John McCain is a befuddled old man. He's lost his intellectual edge (or what intellectual edge he used to have), and is now just a reactionary politician trying to keep as many primary voters happy as he can. What he doesn't realize, and probably won't ever, is that if he'd just stood his ground and said 'screw the teabaggers', he'd probably have coasted through this primary unscathed. Now he just looks like he's three steps away from standing at an intersection waving at traffic.
Wow! And I thought calling him senile was kinda rough! I do agree with you.
| 869 |
DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:26:06am |
re: #858 Cato the Elder
John McCain is just being your average wind-socky pol when he denies his "maverickiness".
I suspect the whole mavericky thing fell flat on its face and he's trying to create a new identity for this campaign. Not evil or senile- just a typical politician.
| 870 |
Honorary Consul General Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:26:08am |
re: #863 filetandrelease
Crist can run how ever he wants, he couldn't win dog catcher down here. He is burnt toast.
The best he can hope for is a Rubio spoiler.
Crist tried one already and it failed.
| 871 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:26:24am |
re: #868 marjoriemoon
Wow! And I thought calling him senile was kinda rough! I do agree with you.
I'd rather be befuddled than senile.
| 872 |
Stanghazi Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:26:44am |
re: #868 marjoriemoon
Wow! And I thought calling him senile was kinda rough! I do agree with you.
Darth always comes through.
| 873 |
What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:27:57am |
Ok gang. I'm out. Try to come back later. Thanks for all your good thoughts.
| 874 |
Stanghazi Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:28:01am |
Check out the new Crist poll
| 875 |
DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:28:20am |
re: #866 lawhawk
But of course, this is all part of a typical day in DC where traffic stops every time a presidential caravan goes through.
I almost got run over by Richard Nixon's motorcade in San Diego when I was a kid. My parents chewed me out but good for running to far ahead of them outside the hotel.
| 876 |
avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:28:24am |
re: #848 marjoriemoon
Oh my. Well my old house was like a pet cemetery. I lived on a crest of a hill that people loved to zoom zoom past. I had 2 raccoons, 3 cats and 2 dogs buried on my little 2000 square foot property because I was the "lucky" one to be around at each accident. Talk about gruesome.
This one is particularly hard because I'll never have another pet like this (we have 5 cats and a dog still). He was amazingly sweet. In fact, when he was a stray, he constantly got the crap beaten out of him so I called him Hector Macho Camacho hoping that it would give him some tough mojo. (Macho the Cat was a skinny little guy too).
You just reminded me of the loss of one of my cats. Spider was my kids cat, he bonded to him as a kitty and followed him around like a puppy.
He'd wait for him to come home outside until he got off work late at night. One night Spider rushed out into the driveway as he was pulling in and he ran over the poor thing. It took me a few days to find the body in the bushes nearby. My 19 year old was so devastated that he had to take the day off work.
The funny thing is, he was a black cat that liked to ride on the kids shoulder, so we latter choose another black and sure enough, he took to following the kid around and riding on his shoulder. That took some of the pain away, because we just figured Spider was just taking another lap at life.
| 877 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:29:06am |
re: #835 Buck
Marilyn Monroe might have said she didn't think of herself as a sex symbol...It is modesty... not senility.
Really?
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Whoopsie!
| 878 |
Bubblehead II Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:29:42am |
re: #851 Killgore Trout
Not only that, but Joe admitted he even likes Sarah Palin
Biden was also pressed for his thoughts on his 2008 vice presidential rival, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. “If you meet her, she is a charming person,” he said. “I say this and people look at me like I’m kidding, I like her.”
| 879 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:30:15am |
re: #812 marjoriemoon
Always tough to lose a family member. My condolences.
| 880 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:30:24am |
re: #736 tradewind
You gonna weed it, hoe it, sucker it, cut it, or lay it in the shed?
:)
Smoked a nice pipe full of Prince Albert, then dusted my rather capacious nostrils with the finest maccoboy I had on hand.
I'm refreshed.
| 881 |
goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:30:32am |
re: #812 marjoriemoon
Had to put my cat down today. My incontinent kitty. He wouldn't eat or drink and he couldn't stand anymore. I'm so sad. I had him 16 years and was full grown when I found him. What a cat. He was so sweet. He mothered all other other kitties, cleaned their ears and coats. Always had a greeting when we came home. Loved to kiss and cuddle, like a puppy. Ack, I'm gonna start crying again.
I'm so sorry. Am going down that road now, found out last week that my dog Penny has systemic mast cell cancer with lots of lung infiltration. She's responding to the meds for now, but they pretty much just deal with the symptoms. It's a matter of months or less now. Got her as a stray ten years ago, she had been abandoned after having given birth, she was in bad shape and very hand shy, obviously abused. She is very sweet and affectionate but still has some trust issues with new people.
It seems to suck more the more you care too, that is just so goddamned unfair.
| 882 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:31:34am |
re: #876 avanti
Aw. Now I'm all sad. I had a little black kitty I'd gotten from the pound, and he had a heart murmur. He died from complications from a urinary infection, caused by Struvite crystal formation in his kidneys and bladder.
I was dirt poor at the time and could only afford the cheapest food and I've always felt guilty because of that. The cheap food is what made his PH balance off, which is what made the crystals grow. I didn't know that, but it hardly matters.
I felt like shit about it. Still do.
| 883 |
darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:32:14am |
re: #868 marjoriemoon
Wow! And I thought calling him senile was kinda rough! I do agree with you.
My sixth grade teacher criticized me for verbosity...I guess I never learned.
| 885 |
darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:33:30am |
re: #882 Obdicut
Aw. Now I'm all sad. I had a little black kitty I'd gotten from the pound, and he had a heart murmur. He died from complications from a urinary infection, caused by Struvite crystal formation in his kidneys and bladder.
I was dirt poor at the time and could only afford the cheapest food and I've always felt guilty because of that. The cheap food is what made his PH balance off, which is what made the crystals grow. I didn't know that, but it hardly matters.
I felt like shit about it. Still do.
A lot of canned cat foods use onion powder in their formulas. It's one of those things you just have to watch out for.
| 886 |
Buck Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:33:32am |
re: #853 marjoriemoon
lol Marilyn Monroe never would have said such a thing in her wildest dreams!
Maybe she thought of her self as an "Object"? Or maybe she admitted that others did...
"That's the trouble, a sex symbol becomes a thing. But if I'm going to be a symbol of something, I'd rather it be sex than some of the things we've got symbols of... I just hate to be a thing."
Comment on her sex symbol status, quoted in Ms. magazine (August 1972) p. 40
"I'm a failure as a woman. My men expect so much of me, because of the image they've made of me — and that I've made of myself — as a sex symbol. They expect bells to ring and whistles to whistle, but my anatomy is the same as any other woman's and I can't live up to it."
Statement c. 1962, as quoted in Marilyn (1992) by Peter Harry Brown and Patte B. Barham, Ch. 27
It was just an example. McCain also doesn't like to use the War Hero label... Even though many use it for him. He serves his country proudly.
| 887 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:33:50am |
re: #766 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Someone needs to make a video of Hitler complaining about the removing of the videos.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
| 888 |
darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:34:28am |
re: #812 marjoriemoon
I'm sorry for your loss. I've had to put down cats in the past, and it always hurt like hell.
| 889 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:34:55am |
re: #878 Bubblehead II
Not only that, but Joe admitted he even likes Sarah Palin
Biden was also pressed for his thoughts on his 2008 vice presidential rival, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. “If you meet her, she is a charming person,” he said. “I say this and people look at me like I’m kidding, I like her.”
Biden is mostly wrong on policy, but he is a excellent father and a good human being. Such a word of respect is in keeping with his nature. John McCain (once this primary is over) is the same way, and in the main so is President Obama.
| 890 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:35:15am |
re: #886 Buck
McCain called himself a maverick on many occasions. For him to say he didn't is untrue. Baldly, blatantly untrue.
| 891 |
DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:35:18am |
re: #882 Obdicut
Aw. Now I'm all sad. I had a little black kitty I'd gotten from the pound, and he had a heart murmur. He died from complications from a urinary infection, caused by Struvite crystal formation in his kidneys and bladder.
I was dirt poor at the time and could only afford the cheapest food and I've always felt guilty because of that. The cheap food is what made his PH balance off, which is what made the crystals grow. I didn't know that, but it hardly matters.
I felt like shit about it. Still do.
I'm sure if he could talk to you he'd thank you for the home and even the cheap food. Our last kitty was lost to the Chinese import food with melamine (sp?).
re: #881 goddamnedfrank
It is hard to lose them, but their short life spans don't detract from the fact that they are great companions and in a way allow us to make more relationships along the way.
| 892 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:35:24am |
The US Navy's contribution to Earth Day.
| 893 |
Spider Mensch Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:35:36am |
re: #878 Bubblehead II
Not only that, but Joe admitted he even likes Sarah Palin
Biden was also pressed for his thoughts on his 2008 vice presidential rival, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. “If you meet her, she is a charming person,” he said. “I say this and people look at me like I’m kidding, I like her.”
of course he does. Palin is exactly what guys Joe's age like to tap. heck Bill Clinton practically came out and said he'd like to share a cigar with her. Like her or not Palin is 60+ year old man meat.
| 894 |
avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:35:48am |
re: #882 Obdicut
Aw. Now I'm all sad. I had a little black kitty I'd gotten from the pound, and he had a heart murmur. He died from complications from a urinary infection, caused by Struvite crystal formation in his kidneys and bladder.
I was dirt poor at the time and could only afford the cheapest food and I've always felt guilty because of that. The cheap food is what made his PH balance off, which is what made the crystals grow. I didn't know that, but it hardly matters.
I felt like shit about it. Still do.
Just now, "Taz", aka Spider II just made his usual "drive by". He'll jump in my lap, get a pat on the head and then go off to do what ever cats do. He has a lot of Maine Coon, and is thus about half dog when it comes to his actions.
| 895 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:36:05am |
re: #886 Buck
It was just an example. McCain also doesn't like to use the War Hero label... Even though many use it for him. He
servesserved his country proudly.
FTFY.
These days he just serves himself at the pork buffet.
| 896 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:36:38am |
I'm going to hug my dog extra hard when I get home tonight.
| 897 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:37:11am |
re: #886 Buck
Maybe she thought of her self as an "Object"? Or maybe she admitted that others did...
"That's the trouble, a sex symbol becomes a thing. But if I'm going to be a symbol of something, I'd rather it be sex than some of the things we've got symbols of... I just hate to be a thing."
Comment on her sex symbol status, quoted in Ms. magazine (August 1972) p. 40"I'm a failure as a woman. My men expect so much of me, because of the image they've made of me — and that I've made of myself — as a sex symbol. They expect bells to ring and whistles to whistle, but my anatomy is the same as any other woman's and I can't live up to it."
Statement c. 1962, as quoted in Marilyn (1992) by Peter Harry Brown and Patte B. Barham, Ch. 27It was just an example. McCain also doesn't like to use the War Hero label... Even though many use it for him. He serves his country proudly.
Whatever else may be true, John McCain has carried on his family's traditions of selfless service to America and decency. That is reason enough for anyone who thinks about it to favor him over Hayworth.
| 898 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:37:48am |
re: #866 lawhawk
I bet Biden sneaks away, puts on a fake mustache and tries to get into a NYC Dave & Busters.
| 899 |
cliffster Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:38:00am |
re: #867 Obdicut
For me it comes down to this. I feel like Democrats fundamentally push the idea that the government will take care of you. I want to live in a country where people take care of themselves. Democrats push a victim mentality. Bad shit going on in your life is because of.. corporations, Wall Street, whatever. I hate the victim mentality. I hate the idea that someone feels entitled to my money, time, or whatever. I think Democrats play off class envy and that stinks.
| 900 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:38:55am |
re: #894 avanti
We have two awesome, gorgeous cats. They're also both needy as hell. One of them prefers to spend all morning on my fiancee's lap, curled up asleep. The other one, every night, walks under my chair and flicks me with his tail until I pick him up, lean back in the chair, and let him snuggle on my chest while he purrs, headbutts my face, and makes biscuits.
And, in typical cat fashion, the one who looks more dainty, prissy, and pretty, is the much deadlier hunter.
| 901 |
Buck Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:39:03am |
re: #877 jamesfirecat
Really?
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Whoopsie!
I didn't say that he didn't realize people label him that way. Of course he knows that people say that about him. He also wrote a book about courage...but he might feel that he is not necessarily more courageous than others.
People are saying that he said "I am not a maverick". He didn't say that... he said that he didn't think of himself that way. Implying that others felt he was.
| 902 |
DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:39:41am |
re: #892 rwdflynavy
The US Navy's contribution to Earth Day.
"It's quite a win win for the environment. As we bomb enemies back into the stone age reducing their use of fossil fuels and their population at the same time we protect their clean air." //
| 903 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:40:00am |
re: #893 Spider Mensch
Downding for the slur against Biden. He has never acted improperly regarding marriage and to insinuate that he wants to is dishonorable. Bill Clinton, however, was not slurred due to his past transgressions.
| 904 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:40:09am |
re: #893 Spider Mensch
of course he does. Palin is exactly what guys Joe's age like to tap. heck Bill Clinton practically came out and said he'd like to share a cigar with her. Like her or not Palin is 60+ year old man meat.
Don't lump all sexagenarians into one gravy boat. Some prefer their meat a little less tough and stringy.
Pullets, not brood hens!
| 905 |
Buck Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:40:49am |
re: #895 Cato the Elder
FTFY.
These days he just serves himself at the pork buffet.
Actually I think he is unique in that he DOES NOT add pork to bills.
| 906 |
cliffster Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:41:09am |
We have two dogs, a cat, and a guinea pig. It's a veritable zoo at my house. They are a giant pain in the ass and I'm constantly threatening to throw them out on the street. One of these days they'll be gone, and there'll be a big giant hole in my heart. Oh well.
| 907 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:41:23am |
re: #903 Dark_Falcon
Downding for the slur against Biden. He has never acted improperly regarding marriage and to insinuate that he wants to is dishonorable. Bill Clinton, however, was not slurred due to his past transgressions.
you're a fairer person that i am...i have a weakness for posts that make me laugh...
| 908 |
avanti Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:41:38am |
re: #900 Obdicut
We have two awesome, gorgeous cats. They're also both needy as hell. One of them prefers to spend all morning on my fiancee's lap, curled up asleep. The other one, every night, walks under my chair and flicks me with his tail until I pick him up, lean back in the chair, and let him snuggle on my chest while he purrs, headbutts my face, and makes biscuits.
And, in typical cat fashion, the one who looks more dainty, prissy, and pretty, is the much deadlier hunter.
Taz is the first one I've had that will run under my feet until I stop, then flop on his back until I rub his belly with my stocking feet. I can even sweep the floor with him and he digs it.
| 909 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:42:14am |
re: #897 Dark_Falcon
Whatever else may be true, John McCain has carried on his family's traditions of selfless service to America and decency. That is reason enough for anyone who thinks about it to favor him over Hayworth.
Yeah, real decent of him to go for the lowest common denominator and fob Palin off on a grateful nation.
Bleargh.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:43:25am |
re: #902 DaddyG
"It's quite a win win for the environment. As we bomb enemies back into the stone age reducing their use of fossil fuels and their population at the same time we protect their clean air." //
Every little bit helps. We need our Super Hornets, so we do our best to minimize they amount they pollute. I'd also like the Air Force to provide a fresh drone strike (with vid) today as well. Showcasing their continuing efforts to help the planet by ridding it of the blight that is the Islamists. (Note: Islamists does not refer to all or even most Muslims.)
| 911 |
lawhawk Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:43:50am |
As part of the security arrangements with President Obama coming to NYC to speak at Cooper Union, someone caught the NYPD confiscating bikes that were along the route to be taken (and which appears to be Houston Street at Bowery).
| 912 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:43:51am |
re: #899 cliffster
That's what I mean by the uselessness of deciding things on an ideological basis. I don't agree with your characterization, I think it's simplistic, and I don't see where it actually leads you as a guide. Does that mean you reject every program that is run by the government that takes care of people? You think they're all bad? I assume not. So what use is that as a guideline?
I hate the idea that someone feels entitled to my money, time, or whatever.
I feel we owe allegiance to the United States of America. I feel the United States is entitled to tax its citizens to pay for services necessary to keep our amazing country going. What is 'necessary' is, of course, another argument, but it's one about practicality, not ideology.
I think Democrats play off class envy and that stinks.
I think we have an amazing lack of class envy in the US, since so many people think that they are going to be richer than they are. We have amazing disparities between compensation for executives and workers, we privilege unearned income over earned income, and the wealth disparity in this country has been growing steadily for years.
Is that 'class envy' on my part? I'm a child of privilege, even though I've been dirt poor in the past, so I really don't see how it can be.
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Spider Mensch Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:43:53am |
re: #903 Dark_Falcon
Downding for the slur against Biden. He has never acted improperly regarding marriage and to insinuate that he wants to is dishonorable. Bill Clinton, however, was not slurred due to his past transgressions.
one man's slur is another man's compliment, but thanks for the down ding..I'm glad your the moral policeman. we need folks like you to keep all us bad posters inline.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:44:11am |
re: #901 Buck
People are saying that he said "I am not a maverick". He didn't say that... he said that he didn't think of himself that way. Implying that others felt he was.
He just wrote a whole book about himself (well, he put his name on the cover) with "maverick" in the title.
Fail.
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DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:44:20am |
re: #906 cliffster
2 Dogs, 4 cats, 7 kids, 2 goldfish and a rescued Bluegill. I always wear socks around the house.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:45:17am |
re: #901 Buck
People are saying that he said "I am not a maverick". He didn't say that... he said that he didn't think of himself that way. Implying that others felt he was.
He didn't think of himself that way while publicly self-applying that very label, got it. Isn't that rather duplicitous, at best?
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:45:19am |
re: #908 avanti
One of my cats loves 'abuse'. I can pick him up and throw him (to a soft landing) across the room onto the couch, and he'll run back for me to do it again.
They're awesome. I'm already feeling bad that we'll have to tranq them for the plane ride to NYC.
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cliffster Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:45:40am |
re: #915 DaddyG
2 Dogs, 4 cats, 7 kids, 2 goldfish and a rescued Bluegill. I always wear socks around the house.
Good Lord!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:45:49am |
re: #909 Cato the Elder
Yeah, real decent of him to go for the lowest common denominator and fob Palin off on a grateful nation.
Bleargh.
He had to pick someone the base would like and he figured that he would win when he picked her. He never intended her to be the loose cannon she has become. That is not to excuse his fault, rather to mitigate it.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:46:07am |
re: #917 Obdicut
One of my cats loves 'abuse'. I can pick him up and throw him (to a soft landing) across the room onto the couch, and he'll run back for me to do it again.
They're awesome. I'm already feeling bad that we'll have to tranq them for the plane ride to NYC.
Hey, when are you heading East, anyway? I've been out of pocket for a bit, so I haven't caught up on the doings here.
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Spider Mensch Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:46:10am |
re: #904 Cato the Elder
Don't lump all sexagenarians into one gravy boat. Some prefer their meat a little less tough and stringy.
Pullets, not brood hens!
true true my friend, but take away her name, and just show her picture to the average 60 year old man on the street..I'd say a good percetage say Yay rather than Nay.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:46:25am |
re: #913 Spider Mensch
one man's slur is another man's compliment, but thanks for the down ding..I'm glad your the moral policeman. we need folks like you to keep all us bad posters inline.
oh, lighten up. what are the +/- buttons other than our own little personal moral/humor/relevance police powers? did you think they were for color coordination purposes?
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cliffster Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:46:35am |
re: #901 Buck
People are saying that he said "I am not a maverick". He didn't say that... he said that he didn't think of himself that way. Implying that others felt he was.
I guess that depends on what the definition of the word "is" is
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garhighway Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:46:35am |
re: #899 cliffster
For me it comes down to this. I feel like Democrats fundamentally push the idea that the government will take care of you. I want to live in a country where people take care of themselves. Democrats push a victim mentality. Bad shit going on in your life is because of.. corporations, Wall Street, whatever. I hate the victim mentality. I hate the idea that someone feels entitled to my money, time, or whatever. I think Democrats play off class envy and that stinks.
That is a perfectly accurate depiction of the cartoon Democrats the GOP likes to talk about. And there are certainly a few here and there that actually think and believe the way you describe.
But reality is far more complicated and interesting than that.
You should check it out sometime.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:47:04am |
re: #914 Cato the Elder
He just wrote a whole book about himself (well, he put his name on the cover) with "maverick" in the title.
Fail.
*chortle*
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:47:29am |
re: #915 DaddyG
2 Dogs, 4 cats, 7 kids, 2 goldfish and a rescued Bluegill. I always wear socks around the house.
2 Cats, 1 dog, 1 rabbit, 1 fire-bellied toad, 9 koi in the pond, three kids, and a wife.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:47:36am |
re: #886 Buck
Maybe she thought of her self as an "Object"? Or maybe she admitted that others did...
"That's the trouble, a sex symbol becomes a thing. But if I'm going to be a symbol of something, I'd rather it be sex than some of the things we've got symbols of... I just hate to be a thing."
Comment on her sex symbol status, quoted in Ms. magazine (August 1972) p. 40"I'm a failure as a woman. My men expect so much of me, because of the image they've made of me — and that I've made of myself — as a sex symbol. They expect bells to ring and whistles to whistle, but my anatomy is the same as any other woman's and I can't live up to it."
Statement c. 1962, as quoted in Marilyn (1992) by Peter Harry Brown and Patte B. Barham, Ch. 27It was just an example. McCain also doesn't like to use the War Hero label... Even though many use it for him. He serves his country proudly.
Maybe John McCain doesn't want the war hero label because it might be a bit demeaning to the phrase "war hero"
I don't want to say he didn't do a brave thing by signing up for service, but I'm pretty sure John McCain was no Simo Hayha, Alivn York, or Audie Murphy (a man so badass he had to remove certain parts of his real life from the Hollywood movie about him for fear that the audience would find them too unrealistic).
All I know about John McCain's military service was getting shot down and being captured spending the rest of the year in a POW camp. I don't know that he received any truly impressive medals and I stand open to correction?
Does fighting in a war make you automatically a war hero?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:47:59am |
re: #915 DaddyG
2 Dogs, 4 cats, 7 kids, 2 goldfish and a rescued Bluegill. I always wear socks around the house.
Does the Bluegill share a tank with the goldfish? If so, how do they get along?
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:48:27am |
re: #925 Obdicut
Early August.
Sweetness. I'm glad to hear you guys are moving forward. Best wishes and all that sort of stuff, naturally, and I hope and expect to hear great things once you get where you're going.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:48:57am |
For whatever reason, it seem to be the comic book threads that spark epic arguments, more so than the threads regarding issues about which one might think there would be disagreement.
Just an observation.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:48:58am |
re: #929 Dark_Falcon
Does the Bluegill share a tank with the goldfish? If so, how do they get along?
I think the bluegill's in the freezer; that's where I keep my trout.
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Spider Mensch Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:49:24am |
re: #922 Aceofwhat?
oh, lighten up. what are the +/- buttons other than our own little personal moral/humor/relevance police powers? did you think they were for color coordination purposes?
to be totally honest..I cannot remember the last comment i down dinged..not a big + or - giver.
| 934 |
DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:49:26am |
re: #918 cliffster
Good Lord!
After our last child was born and my wife (for medical reasons) coudn't have any more- we started adopting a pet a year. We didn't notice the pattern until a friend pointed it out. What can I say- we love life. I'm hoping the next generation will live close enough to spoil with attention.
| 935 |
cliffster Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:49:46am |
re: #924 garhighway
That is a perfectly accurate depiction of the cartoon Democrats the GOP likes to talk about. And there are certainly a few here and there that actually think and believe the way you describe.
But reality is far more complicated and interesting than that.
You should check it out sometime.
I've been alive through quite a few campaigns now. I listen to the speeches that are given on the campaign trails. I know what I hear and I know what I see. You can argue with it all you want, but the fact is that I've been seeing it and hearing it all my life.
| 936 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:49:51am |
| 937 |
garhighway Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:50:00am |
re: #928 jamesfirecat
Maybe John McCain doesn't want the war hero label because it might be a bit demeaning to the phrase "war hero"
I don't want to say he didn't do a brave thing by signing up for service, but I'm pretty sure John McCain was no Simo Hayha, Alivn York, or Audie Murphy (a man so badass he had to remove certain parts of his real life from the Hollywood movie about him for fear that the audience would find them too unrealistic).
All I know about John McCain's military service was getting shot down and being captured spending the rest of the year in a POW camp. I don't know that he received any truly impressive medals and I stand open to correction?
Does fighting in a war make you automatically a war hero?
McCain's service history is very, very impressive. It centers on his conduct as a POW, but it is absolutely unassailable. The man is a patriot and a hero. That doesn't mean I think he ought to President, but you have to give him what's right, and that is a mountain f respect for what he did and endured in the service of our country.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:50:34am |
re: #897 Dark_Falcon
Whatever else may be true, John McCain has carried on his family's traditions of selfless service to America and decency. That is reason enough for anyone who thinks about it to favor him over Hayworth.
I could give a rat's ass about McCain's family traditions. Sure, he fought in Viet Nam, and yes, he crashed a plane (five of them, actually...he's an ace!), and nobody doubts that it took a lot of will to survive 5 1/2 years in the Hanoi Hilton. But a history of 'decency' (leaving one's wife for a younger woman, being part of the Keating 5, etc.) isn't what makes a person a good elected official. Fighting for one's constituents, however, does. I'm not saying JD Hayworth can do that--I think he's a prick too--but I do think McCain has passed his 'use by' date. Sadly, Arizona Republicans don't have much of a choice in this primary.
| 939 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:50:39am |
re: #936 Obdicut
I totally disagree, you mealy-mouthed mushroom-monger!
/
mealy-mouthed was a good start, but the mushroom-monger is a bit of a let down.
| 940 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:50:41am |
re: #928 jamesfirecat
Maybe John McCain doesn't want the war hero label because it might be a bit demeaning to the phrase "war hero"
I don't want to say he didn't do a brave thing by signing up for service, but I'm pretty sure John McCain was no Simo Hayha, Alivn York, or Audie Murphy (a man so badass he had to remove certain parts of his real life from the Hollywood movie about him for fear that the audience would find them too unrealistic).
All I know about John McCain's military service was getting shot down and being captured spending the rest of the year in a POW camp. I don't know that he received any truly impressive medals and I stand open to correction?
Does fighting in a war make you automatically a war hero?
Surviving POW camp alone is fairly impressive. Read up on his injuries at the hands of the North Vietnamese. After his return he continued to serve honorably and commanded at least 2 squadrons. A very successful Navy careeer.
I'm not a huge McCain fan, but please don't make light of his service.
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Locker Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:51:02am |
re: #899 cliffster
For me it comes down to this. I feel like Democrats fundamentally push the idea that the government will take care of you. I want to live in a country where people take care of themselves. Democrats push a victim mentality. Bad shit going on in your life is because of.. corporations, Wall Street, whatever. I hate the victim mentality. I hate the idea that someone feels entitled to my money, time, or whatever. I think Democrats play off class envy and that stinks.
I feel the exact same way about the Republicans with regard to the victim mentality. Someone is going to attack us! They hate us because we are free! We need a bigger military! We need to strike first! KILL! CONQUER!
I think Republicans play off fear and that stinks.
| 942 |
compound idaho Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:51:06am |
| 943 |
wrenchwench Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:51:13am |
re: #931 Fozzie Bear
For whatever reason, it seem to be the comic book threads that spark epic arguments, more so than the threads regarding issues about which one might think there would be disagreement.
Just an observation.
It's traditional to fight like cats and dogs on the overnight thread before the first new thread of the day is posted.
| 944 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:51:33am |
re: #931 Fozzie Bear
For whatever reason, it seem to be the comic book threads that spark epic arguments, more so than the threads regarding issues about which one might think there would be disagreement.
Just an observation.
Its because Charles puts them up rather than othernight threads so the normal overnight arguments happen hear instead.
Being OT is no barrier to those who have something to prove on the internet!
| 945 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:51:34am |
re: #933 Spider Mensch
to be totally honest..I cannot remember the last comment i down dinged..not a big + or - giver.
i lean heavily + myself, but i greatly appreciate it when people come out and explain why they may have given me a -. DF is a class guy that way.
the only votes that bother me are the occasional passive-aggressive dings, where someone lurking is voting against a person rather than a position.
and even then, "bother" is a little strong. better to say that they're the only ones that i notice.
| 947 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:51:57am |
re: #928 jamesfirecat
Maybe John McCain doesn't want the war hero label because it might be a bit demeaning to the phrase "war hero"
I don't want to say he didn't do a brave thing by signing up for service, but I'm pretty sure John McCain was no Simo Hayha, Alivn York, or Audie Murphy (a man so badass he had to remove certain parts of his real life from the Hollywood movie about him for fear that the audience would find them too unrealistic).
All I know about John McCain's military service was getting shot down and being captured spending the rest of the year in a POW camp. I don't know that he received any truly impressive medals and I stand open to correction?
Does fighting in a war make you automatically a war hero?
The thing to understand about John Sidney McCain III is that he was a career officer with a long family history of military service. Both his father and grandfather were admirals. His lifelong exposure to the military leads him to play down his own courage and endurance in favor of deeds he thinks were deserving of the word 'hero'.
| 948 |
Buck Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:52:06am |
re: #890 Obdicut
McCain called himself a maverick on many occasions. For him to say he didn't is untrue. Baldly, blatantly untrue.
Or he said that he didn't always vote with his party, and that he often worked with others from across the political spectrum.
I just think it is interesting that no one created that montage of him actually saying it....re: #916 goddamnedfrank
He didn't think of himself that way while publicly self-applying that very label, got it. Isn't that rather duplicitous, at best?
You can't help how people label you. Sometimes you just have to go with it. You can't fight it either.
He just does what he does. If people want to call him a Maverick, they will. But he says that he doesn't think of himself that way, and I have no reason to think he is lying.
| 949 |
DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:52:25am |
re: #922 Aceofwhat?
oh, lighten up. what are the +/- buttons other than our own little personal moral/humor/relevance police powers? did you think they were for color coordination purposes?
I still think Charles needs to add a "groan" button for use on puns and snark.
| 950 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:52:39am |
re: #940 rwdflynavy
Surviving POW camp alone is fairly impressive. Read up on his injuries at the hands of the North Vietnamese. After his return he continued to serve honorably and commanded at least 2 squadrons. A very successful Navy careeer.
I'm not a huge McCain fan, but please don't make light of his service.
I wasn't trying to make light of his service, I'm just trying to figure out where the line is drawn between just serving in a war and being a war hero. It's a fair question to ask don't you think?
(Or maybe I've just foxed myself)
| 951 |
Locker Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:53:10am |
re: #950 jamesfirecat
I wasn't trying to make light of his service, I'm just trying to figure out where the line is drawn between just serving in a war and being a war hero. It's a fair question to ask don't you think?
(Or maybe I've just foxed myself)
If you served honorably then you are a war hero, in my eyes.
| 952 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:53:18am |
re: #928 jamesfirecat
Maybe John McCain doesn't want the war hero label because it might be a bit demeaning to the phrase "war hero"
Heaven forbid you employ the tactic of "reading".
| 953 |
Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:53:29am |
re: #948 Buck
Then why did he call himself a maverick, if he didn't think of himself that way?
| 954 |
DaddyG Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:53:45am |
re: #929 Dark_Falcon
Does the Bluegill share a tank with the goldfish? If so, how do they get along?
Yes - surprisingly well. He was a very small fry when he joined them and they are pretty large. We feed him dried shrimp pellets
| 955 |
garhighway Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:53:47am |
re: #948 Buck
You can't help how people label you. Sometimes you just have to go with it. You can't fight it either.
He just does what he does. If people want to call him a Maverick, they will. But he says that he doesn't think of himself that way, and I have no reason to think he is lying.
If he doesn't think of himself that way, why did he refer to himself that way IN THE TITLE OF HIS OWN BOOK?
| 956 |
Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:55:05am |
re: #943 wrenchwench
It's traditional to fight like cats and dogs on the overnight thread before the first new thread of the day is posted.
Oh, i almost forgot. Any Chicago Bulls fans on here for me to taunt in advance of tonight's impending smackdown by the Cavs?
| 957 |
darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:55:22am |
re: #955 garhighway
If he doesn't think of himself that way, why did he refer to himself that way IN THE TITLE OF HIS OWN BOOK?
He didn't proofread it after the ghost-writer finished.
| 958 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:55:46am |
re: #951 Locker
If you served honorably then you are a war hero, in my eyes.
Okay then, just wanted to know where the line was. I was thinking that "war hero" should be reserved for people like the three men who I mentioned (Alvin York, Simo Hayha, and Audie Murphy) earlier to differentiate from someone simply being a veteran.
| 959 |
cliffster Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:55:54am |
re: #941 Locker
I feel the exact same way about the Republicans with regard to the victim mentality. Someone is going to attack us! They hate us because we are free! We need a bigger military! We need to strike first! KILL! CONQUER!
I think Republicans play off fear and that stinks.
They do believe in a strong military, and I agree with that. I think your description is over the top, but then again I'm sure you feel the same about my description of democrats.
| 960 |
Locker Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:56:10am |
re: #948 Buck
You can't help how people label you. Sometimes you just have to go with it. You can't fight it either.
He just does what he does. If people want to call him a Maverick, they will. But he says that he doesn't think of himself that way, and I have no reason to think he is lying.
Then you are willfully ignorant. John McCain saying he doesn't think of himself as a Maverick is about as genuine as Terrell Owens saying he never thought of himself as a star.
It's total, completely and utter bullshit. It's not "other people" who created this label... he did.
| 961 |
Spider Mensch Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:57:24am |
re: #945 Aceofwhat?
i lean heavily + myself, but i greatly appreciate it when people come out and explain why they may have given me a -. DF is a class guy that way.
the only votes that bother me are the occasional passive-aggressive dings, where someone lurking is voting against a person rather than a position.
and even then, "bother" is a little strong. better to say that they're the only ones that i notice.
My personal feeling was the + - thing was kind of not necessary, but the majority of the posters seem to think of it as a good thing..so I defer to the majority opinion. I know I'm a bit of an oldtimer here, but I wonder how I ever even got to over 1200.....most of my posts aren't very funny or smart usually.
| 962 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:57:26am |
re: #931 Fozzie Bear
For whatever reason, it seem to be the comic book threads that spark epic arguments, more so than the threads regarding issues about which one might think there would be disagreement.
You're just pissed off because last night I proved without a doubt that Superman could kick Mighty Mouse's ass any time!!!
| 963 |
Buck Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:57:47am |
re: #877 jamesfirecat
Really?
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Whoopsie!
Interesting that the original book didn't have the word maverick in the title.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
That was added later by the publisher.
Whoopsie!
| 964 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:57:57am |
re: #928 jamesfirecat
Maybe John McCain doesn't want the war hero label because it might be a bit demeaning to the phrase "war hero"
I don't want to say he didn't do a brave thing by signing up for service, but I'm pretty sure John McCain was no Simo Hayha, Alivn York, or Audie Murphy (a man so badass he had to remove certain parts of his real life from the Hollywood movie about him for fear that the audience would find them too unrealistic).
All I know about John McCain's military service was getting shot down and being captured spending the rest of the year in a POW camp. I don't know that he received any truly impressive medals and I stand open to correction?
Does fighting in a war make you automatically a war hero?
Oh, dear God. James, go read the man's bio in full please.
| 965 |
Locker Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:58:12am |
re: #958 jamesfirecat
Okay then, just wanted to know where the line was. I was thinking that "war hero" should be reserved for people like the three men who I mentioned (Alvin York, Simo Hayha, and Audie Murphy) earlier to differentiate from someone simply being a veteran.
The reality of award winners is that they have nothing to do with the actions you took in combat. It's all about grease, contacts and favoritism. Every single soldier who stays on post, doesn't run, fights, performs their duty, etc is a hero to me. Every single time they put on the uniform.
Basically I'm saying that awards and news stories don't illuminate the daily and hourly heroes out there serving with no recognition.
| 966 |
Buck Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:58:28am |
re: #960 Locker
Then you are willfully ignorant. John McCain saying he doesn't think of himself as a Maverick is about as genuine as Terrell Owens saying he never thought of himself as a star.
It's total, completely and utter bullshit. It's not "other people" who created this label... he did.
Sez you....I disagree.
| 967 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:58:50am |
re: #962 Mad Al-Jaffee
You're just pissed off because last night I proved without a doubt that Superman could kick Mighty Mouse's ass any time!!!
Yeah, but what the hell is Goofy?
(And did you notice, Wagon Train never seems to go anywhere?)
| 968 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:58:53am |
re: #882 Obdicut
Aw. Now I'm all sad. I had a little black kitty I'd gotten from the pound, and he had a heart murmur. He died from complications from a urinary infection, caused by Struvite crystal formation in his kidneys and bladder.
I was dirt poor at the time and could only afford the cheapest food and I've always felt guilty because of that. The cheap food is what made his PH balance off, which is what made the crystals grow. I didn't know that, but it hardly matters.
I felt like shit about it. Still do.
WHile you had that cat, the cat knew he was cared for and loved. Many cats never have it that easy. Give yourself a break.
| 969 |
Locker Thu, Apr 22, 2010 10:59:18am |
re: #963 Buck
Interesting that the original book didn't have the word maverick in the title.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
That was added later by the publisher.
Whoopsie!
So when they make the story of Buck and the publisher wants to add on Bagel King of NYC I'm sure you'd just let them "label you" however they want because hey... the publisher made me and I have no control over my own book!
| 970 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:00:13am |
re: #964 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, dear God. James, go read the man's bio in full please.
I'm just gonna follow some wise advice I got a while ago and stop digging when I'm in a hole, see you next thread!
| 971 |
Locker Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:00:51am |
re: #966 Buck
Sez you...I disagree.
No. Not "sez me", John McCain said it. John McCain rode that label like a champion thoroughbred as long as he thought it was giving him mileage. Now that he finds the moniker to be a deterrent he flipped-flopped his ass off.
It's not opinion, it's not "sez me", it's recorded fact.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:01:12am |
re: #961 Spider Mensch
My personal feeling was the + - thing was kind of not necessary, but the majority of the posters seem to think of it as a good thing..so I defer to the majority opinion. I know I'm a bit of an oldtimer here, but I wonder how I ever even got to over 1200...most of my posts aren't very funny or smart usually.
hey - i gave a + to the same one that DF gave a - because i'm a sucker for posts that make me laugh...just roll with it!
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:01:13am |
re: #928 jamesfirecat
[...] Audie Murphy (a man so badass he had to remove certain parts of his real life from the Hollywood movie about him for fear that the audience would find them too unrealistic).
Interesting fact about Murphy which I didn't read about when I was a kid devouring all the military hero literature I could get my hands on. From Wiki:
Murphy suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) after his return from the war.[2][4][unreliable source?] He was reportedly plagued by insomnia, bouts of depression, and nightmares related to his numerous battles.[2] His first wife, Wanda Hendrix, often talked of his struggle with this condition, even claiming that he had held her at gunpoint once. For a time during the mid-1960s, he became dependent on doctor-prescribed sleeping pills called Placidyl.[2] When he recognized that he had become addicted to the drug, he locked himself in a motel room where he took himself off the pills, going through withdrawal for a week.[2]
Always an advocate of the needs of America's military veterans, Murphy eventually broke the taboo about publicly discussing war-related mental conditions. In an effort to draw attention to the problems of returning Korean and Vietnam War veterans, Murphy spoke out candidly about his own problems with PTSD, known then and during World War II as "battle fatigue"[2] and also commonly known by the World War I term "shell shock". He called on the United States government to give increased consideration and study to the emotional impact that combat experiences have on veterans, and to extend health care benefits to address PTSD and other mental-health problems suffered by returning war veterans.[2]
Now that's brave. In an age when any kind of weakness, not to speak of mental illness, was much more of a stigma than it still is today.
I like him even better now than I did when I was a boy.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:01:22am |
re: #966 Buck
Sez you...I disagree.
You're not allowed to disagree about reality, Buck. Reality stays the same way no matter what you say.
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Buck Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:01:58am |
re: #955 garhighway
If he doesn't think of himself that way, why did he refer to himself that way IN THE TITLE OF HIS OWN BOOK?
the original book wasn't titled that way. The publisher added it later (to help sell books).
Worth the Fighting For was published in paperback by Random House Trade Paperbacks on September 9, 2003 (ISBN 081296974X). This edition added a subtitle of sorts, The Education of an American Maverick, and the Heroes Who Inspired Him, as well as a new afterward from McCain in which he discussed developments of the year since original publication, including the early stages of the Iraq War.
I don't suppose that changes anything in your mind? When your main point is not factual?
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:02:42am |
re: #966 Buck
Sez you...I disagree.
Oh hey, here's the youtube montage of McCain calling himself a maverick.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:03:24am |
re: #975 Buck
I don't suppose that changes anything in your mind? When your main point is not factual?
In other words, McCain approved of the title change and added an afterword to that issue. Thank you for admitting that McCain did in fact consider himself a maverick.
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Locker Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:04:10am |
re: #976 Obdicut
Oh hey, here's the youtube montage of McCain calling himself a maverick.
[Video]
I can already see Buck with his hands over his ears going "lalalalalalala I can't hear you. His publisher did it! lalalalala"
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:04:35am |
re: #948 Buck
You can't help how people label you. Sometimes you just have to go with it. You can't fight it either.
He just does what he does. If people want to call him a Maverick, they will. But he says that he doesn't think of himself that way, and I have no reason to think he is lying.
You can help how you label yourself. He said he never considered himself a maverick, after publicly embracing that exact label. That isn't just "going with it," that is (again) self-application of and self-identification with the term. He is being incredibly ridiculous, and is thus richly deserving of ridicule.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:05:03am |
re: #973 Cato the Elder
Now that's brave. In an age when any kind of weakness, not to speak of mental illness, was much more of a stigma than it still is today.
I like him even better now than I did when I was a boy.
And in an age where the treatment for combat fatigue was a dose of pentothal followed by a dose of amphetamine, followed by a "walk it off, son" that's real personal courage. The same character that made him a martial hero made him a moral hero, as well.
One learns something every day.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:05:13am |
re: #978 Locker
The ad that ran that said "John McCain, the original maverick" and then had "I'm John McCain and I approve this message" is kind of hard to ignore. As is saying that Palin is a maverick like he is. And all the other times he calls himself a maverick.
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Buck Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:05:25am |
re: #974 Obdicut
You're not allowed to disagree about reality, Buck. Reality stays the same way no matter what you say.
Everything I read is that the Maverick label was started by others to describe the man.
Your repeating otherwise does not change what he has said and done.
"I am a Maverick" "Call me a Maverick".... Mr. John "the Maverick" McCain
looking for it.... not finding it...
Even if he did say I am a bit of a maverick on these issues.... it doesn't mean that he defines himself that way.
AGAIN I say.... he tells me that he never thought of himself that way... and I believe him.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:05:45am |
re: #976 Obdicut
Oh hey, here's the youtube montage of McCain calling himself a maverick.
[Video]
yowza...facts suk
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:06:07am |
re: #978 Locker
I can already see Buck with his hands over his ears going "lalalalalalala I can't hear you. His publisher did it! lalalalala"
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Buck Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:08:17am |
re: #977 darthstar
In other words, McCain approved of the title change and added an afterword to that issue. Thank you for admitting that McCain did in fact consider himself a maverick.
It doesn't work that way. Publishers control the title. There is no indication he approved the subtitle. There is no reason to think he was even approached for approval.
I am not saying he disapproved of it, only that he now says that he doesn't think of himself that way.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:08:26am |
re: #982 Buck
Even if he did say I am a bit of a maverick on these issues... it doesn't mean that he defines himself that way.
But that's not true, Buck. He said he was a maverick, that Palin was a maverick like him, and ran an ad saying that he was the original maverick and then said "I'm John McCain and I endorse this message".
Why do you think he endorsed a message saying he was the original maverick if he thought that was untrue? How do you manage to twist that around in your head?
I do like how you dishonestly added the 'little bit' into your description, though.
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Obdicut Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:09:59am |
re: #985 Buck
Shit, maybe that's why my dad's book on Chaucer's influence on Regency poets was called "101 Ways To Cook Ham With A Jet-Ski".
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:15:52am |
re: #982 Buck
Your repeating otherwise does not change what he has said AGAIN I say... he tells me that he never thought of himself that way... and I believe him.
What you believe is what you want to believe, as you've shown over and over on this blog.
A true believer, you are.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:22:38am |
re: #911 lawhawk
As part of the security arrangements with President Obama coming to NYC to speak at Cooper Union, someone caught the NYPD confiscating bikes that were along the route to be taken (and which appears to be Houston Street at Bowery).
WTF?!!
Who in the hell came up with that idea? So how do you get your bike back, go to the police impound lot with your proof of purchase and frame ID number if you have it? Someone needs a friggin demotion for that kind of idiocy, as if a bike frame could hold enough explosive to damage the Presidential armoured vehicles? (Without actually being strapped to the damn car or something.)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:25:02am |
re: #989 ausador
WTF?!!
Who in the hell came up with that idea? So how do you get your bike back, go to the police impound lot with your proof of purchase and frame ID number if you have it? Someone needs a friggin demotion for that kind of idiocy, as if a bike frame could hold enough explosive to damage the Presidential armoured vehicles? (Without actually being strapped to the damn car or something.)
Even an unsuccessful attack like that could kill a number of onlookers. I reserve final judgment due to the 24 Hour Rule.
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Buck Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:28:09am |
In the You Tube montage he does explain very well that he has been called a Maverick, and then he goes on to define what he thinks that should mean.
And yes, he doesn't fight it... he goes with it... BUT....
Do you see the quick edit (0:37) when he says "I've been called a Maverick".... his next line is important... and it is purposely removed.
TPM (a biased source for sure) is cutting out the part where he says BUT....
"...but I voted with George W. Bush more than 90% of the time."
It is a very famous line... where in 2008 he is saying that he doesn't think of himself as a maverick because "he voted with George W. Bush more than 90% of the time."
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Cato the Elder Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:32:48am |
John McCain trying to distance himself from his maverickhood is like George W. Bush saying he never really thought of himself as a compassionate conservative.
Epic fail.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:33:58am |
re: #990 Dark_Falcon
Even an unsuccessful attack like that could kill a number of onlookers. I reserve final judgment due to the 24 Hour Rule.
Just saying, if the point was to kill civilians they could do that any day they wanted to, if the point was to protect the President then why worry about something that could not possibly hurt him?
As an avid cycler myself I'll be watching for more on this one, I know I would be fuming if it was my bike they took. Besides how are you supposed to know that the police took it, wouldn't you just assume that it had been stolen? I'll admit that waiting for more info and employing the 24 hour rule is probably for the best, but I can't help being pissed over this already.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Apr 22, 2010 11:34:29am |
re: #991 Buck
Please drop it and move on to the next thread, Buck. You're not convincing anyone and all you're getting is downdinged.
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tradewind Thu, Apr 22, 2010 2:02:28pm |
Out like the Dems in '10......
Have a nice evening.
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What, me worry? Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:06:42pm |
re: #881 goddamnedfrank
I'm so sorry. Am going down that road now, found out last week that my dog Penny has systemic mast cell cancer with lots of lung infiltration. She's responding to the meds for now, but they pretty much just deal with the symptoms. It's a matter of months or less now. Got her as a stray ten years ago, she had been abandoned after having given birth, she was in bad shape and very hand shy, obviously abused. She is very sweet and affectionate but still has some trust issues with new people.
It seems to suck more the more you care too, that is just so goddamned unfair.
If you're still reading... these things are never easy and it's a comfort that a lot of people here understand it. It's also a blessing that you've given her a wonderful life that she would never had otherwise. And you never know how things go. She may have some considerable time left with treatment. But whatever time she has, I'm glad she found such a loving family as yours to share it with. Hang in there, Frank.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 22, 2010 5:41:46pm |
re: #812 marjoriemoon
Had to put my cat down today. My incontinent kitty. He wouldn't eat or drink and he couldn't stand anymore. I'm so sad. I had him 16 years and was full grown when I found him. What a cat. He was so sweet. He mothered all other other kitties, cleaned their ears and coats. Always had a greeting when we came home. Loved to kiss and cuddle, like a puppy. Ack, I'm gonna start crying again.
I am soo sorry.
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