1 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:03:13pm
2 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:05:09pm
3 windsagio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:08:02pm

haha, here, I'll put something.

Art that my autistic brother did.

I'm like mega-proud of him, he's actually (after 40 years) able to make a real living :)

4 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:09:03pm

re: #3 windsagio

haha, here, I'll put something.

Art that my autistic brother did.

I'm like mega-proud of him, he's actually (after 40 years) able to make a real living :)

Rolo yes!

5 windsagio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:09:51pm

re: #4 WindUpBird

were you in the car the day a bunch of my friends drove by and saw him peeing in the street?

/thank god all the police around there know my family ;)

6 ohiogirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:10:49pm

re: #3 windsagio

Very good - I like art that I can recognize, not that modern spilled a paint can on the canvas garbage.

7 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:10:55pm

A rock song about FRACTALS. By French Canadian prog rock gods Voivod.

I challenge any lizard to find me more rock songs about fractals.

8 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:11:25pm

re: #6 ohiogirl

Very good - I like art that I can recognize, not that modern spilled a paint can on the canvas garbage.

Does Picasso count as modern to you?

9 windsagio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:11:50pm

re: #6 ohiogirl

I've come around on abstract art, but theres a high signal:noise on it. Too much crap pretending to be abstract, it gets in the way of the stuff thats actually excellent.

10 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:11:56pm

re: #5 windsagio

were you in the car the day a bunch of my friends drove by and saw him peeing in the street?

/thank god all the police around there know my family ;)

I WAS NOT

11 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:12:07pm

re: #6 ohiogirl

Very good - I like art that I can recognize, not that modern spilled a paint can on the canvas garbage.

Pfft. You just don't see it, man!

12 ohiogirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:12:41pm

re: #8 WindUpBird

Does Picasso count as modern to you?

Picasso is Ok but not my style. But honestly doesn't it look sometimes like they hung up their dropcloth?

13 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:14:13pm

re: #6 ohiogirl

Very good - I like art that I can recognize, not that modern spilled a paint can on the canvas garbage.

This is currently my favorite abstract artist on DA: [Link: senecal.deviantart.com...]

He does some representational stuff, but it's all digital, straight from a blank Photoshop file. it's like he's painting the essence of information.

14 windsagio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:15:55pm

re: #12 ohiogirl

well I'm not the expert here, but some of it sure does.

an example of massively abstract art I love tho

15 windsagio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:16:07pm

re: #13 WindUpBird

ohh thats nice.

16 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:19:38pm

goodbye howard zinn. wish i could say i miss you. oh wait, no i don't.

17 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:19:56pm

re: #12 ohiogirl

Picasso is Ok but not my style. But honestly doesn't it look sometimes like they hung up their dropcloth?

You're taking to an artist who does some abstract stuff. :D Though most of what I do is representational silly fantasy genre art, I'm no snooty gallery haunt. You're probably referring to stuff like Jackson Pollock, which does look like that, but his thing was always about painting as evidence of his gestural energy.

Anyway, one of my favorite abstract artists from history is Mark Rothko: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

His work does not really translate well digitally, his paintings are enormous, and in person they vibrate with contrasting color, because he was essentially creating these layered color experiments, watching the hues interact with each other. They have a sort of sinsiter presence I really like. It's good stuff to learn about color from!

18 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:20:10pm

Michele Bachman: Tea Parties are the Future of the GOP

Asserting that the tea party movement will come to “dominate” the GOP, Representative Bachmann told Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly on “The O’Reilly Show” Monday night:

“What we’re seeing is that the Republican Party is waking up to and recognizing that the real uprising happening across America isn’t just about Republicans, but disaffected Democrats and independents saying, ‘Wait a minute, the country isn’t working anymore, let’s get back to balance,' " said Bachmann, who will speak Feb. 6 at the Tea Party Nation convention in Nashville, Tenn.

19 windsagio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:21:01pm

re: #17 WindUpBird

dude, I love hearing you talk about art. It gets me all moist.

20 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:21:54pm

re: #19 windsagio

Umm, should the rest of us leave and let you two have some alone time?

21 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:22:02pm

re: #18 Conservative Moonbat

Michele Bachman: Tea Parties are the Future of the GOP

The question will be if that TP douche in AZ can successfully primary McCain. If he can, that's the moment that should make all reasonable republicans quake with dread.

22 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:23:11pm

re: #21 WindUpBird

The question will be if that TP douche in AZ can successfully primary McCain. If he can, that's the moment that should make all reasonable republicans quake with dread.

Or Crist in FL

23 ohiogirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:23:36pm

re: #17 WindUpBird

I guess I prefer to color within the lines. I love realism, Hudson Valley School, and tattoo flash.

24 windsagio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:24:19pm

re: #23 ohiogirl

everyone has their own tastes, thats part of the fun :)

25 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:24:33pm

re: #19 windsagio

dude, I love hearing you talk about art. It gets me all moist.

I want to not be the pompous goatee beret-wearing ass, but the thing is, it's hard to talk art without giving that vibe off. :D

Of course, I mostly pontificate about artists who draw themselves in boxer shorts beating the hell out of robots made of typewriters, and emerging from fields of oozing flesh-monsters. Yay!

26 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:26:49pm

re: #23 ohiogirl

I guess I prefer to color within the lines. I love realism, Hudson Valley School, and tattoo flash.

tattoo flash! Now we are talking :D I am a huge nerd for album covers and rock poster art. Paul Romano's cover for Mastodon's Blood Mountain is one of my favorite album covers of all time. Image: blood-mountain-cover.jpg

I personally do a lot of loose painterly-but-realistic stuff, a lot of cartoon animal people wearing silly outfits, and dark fantasy.

27 metrolibertarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:27:07pm

re: #21 WindUpBird

The question will be if that TP douche in AZ can successfully primary McCain. If he can, that's the moment that should make all reasonable republicans quake with dread.

Tea Partier and let's not forget Birther.

28 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:27:47pm

re: #22 Conservative Moonbat

Or Crist in FL

I haven't paid attention to Crist. He's such a moderate, I figured he'd be vulnerable to any right wing R, tea party or no. How is that shaping up?

29 ohiogirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:28:15pm

re: #26 WindUpBird

Best album cover is Jeff Beck's Guitar Shop
no I don't have a link but it's in my record cabinet

30 windsagio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:28:50pm

re: #26 WindUpBird

dude you should link to your fancy-pants gallery. Or did you take that down?

31 windsagio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:28:59pm

re: #30 windsagio

err crap, I say 'dude' too much.

32 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:29:02pm

re: #16 spacejesus

goodbye howard zinn. wish i could say i miss you. oh wait, no i don't.

You know, if I were to say something similar about, oh, Barry Goldwater or William F. Buckley, I would soon find myself with less karma than you.

33 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:29:34pm

re: #23 ohiogirl

I guess I prefer to color within the lines. I love realism, Hudson Valley School, and tattoo flash.

I'm not into the Hudson Valley School stuff so much, but I love Edward Hopper, who has sort of crossover appeal.

34 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:29:42pm

I told the downthreaders you were all artsy fartsy up here, so don't start going political.

35 ohiogirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:31:43pm

re: #34 Silvergirl

I told the downthreaders you were all artsy fartsy up here, so don't start going political.

Phew! Who fartsied?

36 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:31:47pm

WindUpBird, when you first appeared here at LGF (or when I first noticed you) I asked if you got your name from the novel. I think it was at the end of a thread--my timing often sucks--so you probably didn't ever see it. Want to share about your nic?

37 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:32:44pm

re: #30 windsagio

dude you should link to your fancy-pants gallery. Or did you take that down?

I didn't take it down, there's a hosting issue with Gushi. Being worked on!

38 windsagio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:33:34pm

re: #37 WindUpBird

would it be okay if I linked to your other stuff? Some of it is under other nicks tho, so I'm not sure if you're worried about being stalked or not (since it was threatened the other night)

39 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:35:41pm

re: #32 JasonA

You know, if I were to say something similar about, oh, Barry Goldwater or William F. Buckley, I would soon find myself with less karma than you.

Cue the violin music.

:-)

40 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:35:47pm

re: #36 Silvergirl

WindUpBird, when you first appeared here at LGF (or when I first noticed you) I asked if you got your name from the novel. I think it was at the end of a thread--my timing often sucks--so you probably didn't ever see it. Want to share about your nic?

Wellll, SOME stuff about my nic I can't share without revealing who I am and inviting stalkers, but basically, I'm part of this group of strange people who runs around in silly animal costumes and draws related art. it's not all I do, but the reason i have this nic is it's related to my costume/persona/some of the art I do in the community. My avatar is a picture of the costume head I wear at cons, whic is this big foam/paint/cloth bird head thing with light-up-eyes that's really fun to dance in.

41 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:36:28pm

re: #38 windsagio

would it be okay if I linked to your other stuff? Some of it is under other nicks tho, so I'm not sure if you're worried about being stalked or not (since it was threatened the other night)

errr, hold off on that, I actually am in the midst of making a Photobucket gallery for here. It's got some sketches on it, all you need to do is click on my nic here.

42 windsagio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:36:46pm

re: #41 WindUpBird

lol fair enough, thats why I asked :p

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:37:07pm

re: #34 Silvergirl

I told the downthreaders you were all artsy fartsy up here, so don't start going political.

I'll be good. I've had a couple beers, I'm all mellow and enjoying some nice spaced out stoner rock. Done with politics for today *_*

44 windsagio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:38:39pm

hrm, looks like things are slow enough that I can slip away for a bit.

I bet somebody gets shot during the 20 minutes I'm gone >

45 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:38:48pm

re: #40 WindUpBird

Welll, SOME stuff about my nic I can't share without revealing who I am and inviting stalkers, but basically, I'm part of this group of strange people who runs around in silly animal costumes and draws related art. it's not all I do, but the reason i have this nic is it's related to my costume/persona/some of the art I do in the community. My avatar is a picture of the costume head I wear at cons, whic is this big foam/paint/cloth bird head thing with light-up-eyes that's really fun to dance in.

Did you design and create the costume yourself? If this is all old news to everyone, sorry. I've been sporadic in my "attendance" of late.

46 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:39:11pm

re: #39 Silvergirl

Cue the violin music.

:-)

Something from Beethoven, if you would be so kind.

47 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:39:33pm

re: #20 JasonA

Umm, should the rest of us leave and let you two have some alone time?

Fuck that, get your camera. Let's make some of that internet money.

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:39:46pm

re: #45 Silvergirl

Did you design and create the costume yourself? If this is all old news to everyone, sorry. I've been sporadic in my "attendance" of late.

I designed some of it, a friend of mine built it, she's waay handier with this stuff than I am. And no, not old news, you're the first person who's honestly interested, actually :D I'll find a picture of it and put it on my photobucket in a sec.

49 ohiogirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:40:08pm

re: #43 WindUpBird

I'll be good. I've had a couple beers, I'm all mellow and enjoying some nice spaced out stoner rock. Done with politics for today *_*

Speaking of spaced out stoner rock I was talking to a college age friend of mine who is into music and he had never heard of Iron Butterfly. I really felt the generation gap. I told him the old joke that long songs meant the DJ was in the bathroom.

50 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:40:18pm

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

Fuck that, get your camera. Let's make some of that internet money.

I loved that South Park episode.

51 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:40:47pm

re: #40 WindUpBird

You're fired.

52 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:41:51pm

re: #50 JasonA

Simpsons did it.

53 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:41:57pm

re: #44 windsagio

hrm, looks like things are slow enough that I can slip away for a bit.

I bet somebody gets shot during the 20 minutes I'm gone >

If anybody draws a gun, I'll give him to the count of ten to get his ugly face out of this property before I pump his guts full of lead!

54 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:43:04pm

re: #52 Slumbering Behemoth

Simpsons did it.

I used to love the Simpsons. I stopped watching it about ten years ago because I just felt like I'd seen it all. Ah well.

55 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:44:35pm

re: #53 Silvergirl

If anybody draws a gun, I'll give him to the count of ten to get his ugly face out of this property before I pump his guts full of lead!

All the Home Alone fans have gone to bed.

56 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:45:05pm

re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth

You're fired.

You already know this about me!

57 ohiogirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:45:51pm

re: #55 Silvergirl

All the Home Alone fans have gone to bed.

There are home alone fans?

58 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:46:36pm

re: #57 ohiogirl

There are home alone fans?

One.

59 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:46:53pm

re: #56 WindUpBird

You're still fired. Clean out you desk, and take that damned costume with you.

60 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:47:03pm

re: #49 ohiogirl

Speaking of spaced out stoner rock I was talking to a college age friend of mine who is into music and he had never heard of Iron Butterfly. I really felt the generation gap. I told him the old joke that long songs meant the DJ was in the bathroom.

ahahaha yes. :D DJs confirm this! I'm 33, and I'm a fan of a lot of 70's proto-stoner stuff. I'm a huge Hawkwind fan.

Anyway, here's the whole costume: Image: ?action=view&current=birdie.jpg

61 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:47:57pm

re: #59 Slumbering Behemoth

You're still fired. Clean out you desk, and take that damned costume with you.

C'mon, it's fun!


(also, we know our beer, I know about a dozen people in the fandom who brew their own beer)

62 Silvergirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:50:21pm

re: #60 WindUpBird

ahahaha yes. :D DJs confirm this! I'm 33, and I'm a fan of a lot of 70's proto-stoner stuff. I'm a huge Hawkwind fan.

Anyway, here's the whole costume: [Link: s933.photobucket.com...]

Thanks. Now I need a video to see the dance. Fab costume!

63 ohiogirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:50:43pm

re: #60 WindUpBird

Wasn't expecting a she-bird

64 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:51:08pm

re: #62 Silvergirl

Thanks. Now I need a video to see the dance. Fab costume!

I'm waiting for the video from the convention I just came back from to surface. A guy was circling me with a HD camera, I know he'll upload it somewhere.

65 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:52:38pm

re: #61 WindUpBird

C'mon, it's fun!

It's filthy. And by that, I don't mean sexually depraved, I mean your costume is filthy. It smells like month old sausages and bum farts, and I don't even want to know where those stains come from.

I'd tell you to burn it, but I fear the resulting smoke would declared a WMD.

66 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:53:03pm

re: #63 ohiogirl

Wasn't expecting a she-bird

I'm not a she, just a dude in a dress. :DCementing my status as the zaniest commenter of LGF. Knowing my luck someone will sign up in open reg tomorrow that goes to burning man with a pink plush articulated Yeti robot or something.

67 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:55:12pm

re: #65 Slumbering Behemoth

It's filthy. And by that, I don't mean sexually depraved, I mean your costume is filthy. It smells like month old sausages and bum farts, and I don't even want to know where those stains come from.

I'd tell you to burn it, but I fear the resulting smoke would declared a WMD.

One con I went to, there actually was a sort of intentionally nasty, matted and horrific Care Bear walking the halls late at night. The badge read SCARE BEAR and it would just get uncomfortably close to people, leaning in with its giant care bear head with it's big dead cow eyes. I think the idea was to compromise the sanity of anyone on acid at the convention.

68 ohiogirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:55:29pm

re: #64 WindUpBird

I'm waiting for the video from the convention I just came back from to surface. A guy was circling me with a HD camera, I know he'll upload it somewhere.

I love conventions. I go to one (no costumes) and my friends couldn't believe that I was going to an out of state hotel to get together with strangers from the internet. They had read all the horror stories in the news.

69 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:55:41pm

re: #66 WindUpBird

Fucking hell! Stop spying on me, you bastard!

70 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:56:59pm

re: #67 WindUpBird

Sonuva... I said STOP SPYING ON ME!

71 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:57:48pm

re: #68 ohiogirl

I love conventions. I go to one (no costumes) and my friends couldn't believe that I was going to an out of state hotel to get together with strangers from the internet. They had read all the horror stories in the news.

I've been to about 50 of them. They're not strangers after you meet them! Then they're just the friends you see every year. And get drunk with every year And stay up too late arguing about where the best Thai food is every year.

72 windsagio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:58:17pm

re: #68 ohiogirl

Imo they're all about who you know. Unless you're REALLY outgoing, a con where you know nobody is a terribly painful experience.

73 windsagio  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:58:42pm

re: #71 WindUpBird

re: #72 windsagio

note that WUB is terribly outgoing >>

74 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:58:48pm

re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth

Sonuva... I said STOP SPYING ON ME!

You made off with my fifth of Maker's!

I'll come to Care-a-Lot, and I won't rest until I get my whiskey back!

75 ohiogirl  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:59:59pm

re: #71 WindUpBird

I've been to about 50 of them. They're not strangers after you meet them! Then they're just the friends you see every year. And get drunk with every year And stay up too late arguing about where the best Thai food is every year.

People who don't use the internet only hear about weird stalkers and kidnappers. They don't put the happy ending stories in the newspapers.

76 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:00:10am

re: #73 windsagio

re: #72 windsagio

note that WUB is terribly outgoing >>

The retired cops at the hotel bar who got their picture taken with me were AWESOME.

77 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:01:04am

re: #74 WindUpBird

I'll come to Care-a-Lot, and I won't rest until I get my whiskey back!

I don't even know what that means. And fuck you, that whiskey is mine! Also, it's gone.

78 ohiogirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:01:23am

How about an LGF convention?

79 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:02:23am

re: #67 WindUpBird

One con I went to, there actually was a sort of intentionally nasty, matted and horrific Care Bear walking the halls late at night. The badge read SCARE BEAR and it would just get uncomfortably close to people, leaning in with its giant care bear head with it's big dead cow eyes. I think the idea was to compromise the sanity of anyone on acid at the convention.

That should keep any adoring children at bay. Otherwise I would think you'd be a huge draw for the kiddies.

80 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:02:39am

re: #78 ohiogirl

Don't start.

81 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:02:50am

re: #77 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't even know what that means. And fuck you, that whiskey is mine! Also, it's gone.

If it's single malt I'll fight you for it.

82 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:02:52am

re: #79 Silvergirl

at halloween, he made a little kid cry with that costume >>

83 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:02:52am

re: #75 ohiogirl

People who don't use the internet only hear about weird stalkers and kidnappers. They don't put the happy ending stories in the newspapers.

I know it. It's a hotel, it's pretty safe stuff, everyone knows each other at these things, everyone's friends, it's not like we're going into the Ozarks to pick up a Chevy engine block from a Jackson White or something ^_^

84 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:03:08am

re: #81 JasonA

err, with a stomach pump?!

85 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:03:47am

re: #75 ohiogirl

People who don't use the internet only hear about weird stalkers and kidnappers. They don't put the happy ending stories in the newspapers.

The media has a fear bias.

86 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:03:50am

re: #82 windsagio

at halloween, he made a little kid cry with that costume >>

The Scare Bear or WindUpBird?

87 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:04:04am

re: #77 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't even know what that means. And fuck you, that whiskey is mine! Also, it's gone.

More fun stoned than Teletubbies.

88 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:04:12am

re: #84 windsagio

err, with a stomach pump?!

Depends on the brand...

89 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:04:57am

re: #86 Silvergirl

The Scare Bear or WindUpBird?

Me. I didn't mean to, we were just in the apartment on Halloween with our bowl of Junior Mints, I put the head on and answered the door, kid ran away!

90 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:05:02am

re: #86 Silvergirl

WindUpBird. I'm not really in with the furry crowd so I don't see most of that stuff.

91 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:05:50am

re: #81 JasonA

It is so on! It is the on-est on ever! Choose your weapon, I'm using a badger. Never mind that the whiskey has long since been converted to pee, LET'S DO THIS!

92 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:06:05am

man its weird how different this is than the previous thread... Or the one before that.

93 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:06:13am

re: #88 JasonA

Oh, and the one blended whiskey that might be worth my time is Vat 69. I've wanted to try it ever since I first saw Band of Brothers.

94 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:06:23am

re: #85 JasonA

The media has a fear bias.

CNN presents THE YEAR...

OF THE SHARK

OF THE EARTHQUAKE

OF THE MISSING BLONDE WHITE GIRL

OF THE ZODIAC KILLER ONLY HE'S GOT SIX ARMS AND CAN TELEPORT HO MAN YOU ARE SO SCREWED

95 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:06:40am

re: #91 Slumbering Behemoth

It is so on! It is the on-est on ever! Choose your weapon, I'm using a badger. Never mind that the whiskey has long since been converted to pee, LET'S DO THIS!

A live badger or a dead one?

96 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:07:14am

re: #91 Slumbering Behemoth

It is so on! It is the on-est on ever! Choose your weapon, I'm using a badger. Never mind that the whiskey has long since been converted to pee, LET'S DO THIS!

A badger with a handle like a battle axe :D

Fine, I've got this box of scorpions I could wave around!

97 ohiogirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:08:34am

re: #96 WindUpBird

A badger with a handle like a battle axe :D

Fine, I've got this box of scorpions I could wave around!

A badger with a really long handle. They will bite off the hand that feeds them.

98 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:08:56am

re: #91 Slumbering Behemoth

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:10:17am

re: #95 JasonA

A live badger. Wielding a chainsaw. Duh!

100 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:10:59am

re: #92 windsagio

man its weird how different this is than the previous thread... Or the one before that.

Helps that there's only like six of us posting, and at least one of us is down two beers.

Windsagio, that artist is Camilla D'Errico. (warning, paintings of little girls swallowing animals whole)

101 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:11:50am

re: #97 ohiogirl

A badger with a really long handle. They will bite off the hand that feeds them.

or a pistol grip. You could just catapult it at your adversary, and then a tether would bring it back. Sorta like a taser but instead of electricity, it's a badger.

102 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:12:15am

re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth

A live badger. Wielding a chainsaw. Duh!

I can't compete with that. Enjoy your crappy whiskey. :P

103 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:12:21am

re: #100 WindUpBird

yeah I saw her too. Most of her stuff is more anime-inspired, and less weird.

Did you see me link Kness? Very similar to her, imo :)

104 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:13:01am

re: #87 WindUpBird

More fun stoned than Teletubbies.

You should try the old Sweet Pickles series. They cover the gamut of human behavior and characteristics. The animals names are Bashful Bear, Clever Camel, Outraged Octopus, Positive Pig, and all down the alphabet to Zany Zebra. I read the one about Moody Moose to a Kindergarten class today.

105 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:14:57am

re: #104 Silvergirl

You should try the old Sweet Pickles series. They cover the gamut of human behavior and characteristics. The animals names are Bashful Bear, Clever Camel, Outraged Octopus, Positive Pig, and all down the alphabet to Zany Zebra. I read the one about Moody Moose to a Kindergarten class today.

How Zany IS Zany Zebra?

106 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:16:06am

zany zebra?

PS to wub: Get on aim, theres something I wanna ask you about.

107 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:17:56am

re: #102 JasonA

Ha! I win. And it is not crappy whiskey, it is MY whiskey. MINE!
/it's also now pee

108 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:19:12am

promised to bring up apple earlier...

This strip is worth it just for the third panel

(let me know if it doesn't work, subscription service, etc)

109 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:20:46am

re: #106 windsagio

zany zebra?

PS to wub: Get on aim, theres something I wanna ask you about.

No. this Zany Zebra.

110 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:21:34am

re: #109 Silvergirl

that guy looks MESSED UP.

111 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:23:48am

re: #105 WindUpBird

How Zany IS Zany Zebra?

It's a kid's book. He's the unconventional one and annoys the rest of the characters because of the way he paints his house and how he's just who he is.

112 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:27:18am

Johnny couldn't stand being cruel like that, but it had to be done. He knew Cindy couldn't make it in kindergarten, those animals would eat her alive. Better that she stayed behind, thinking he that hated her, than to know how much he truly loved her.

It was for the best.

113 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:28:04am

re: #111 Silvergirl

It's a kid's book. He's the unconventional one and annoys the rest of the characters because of the way he paints his house and how he's just who he is.

So basically he's me *_*

114 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:30:10am

Read this!

115 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:33:11am

re: #114 JasonA

yowza!

116 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:33:30am

re: #114 JasonA

Read this!

ahaha this is genius. :D I am a huge fan of Wondermark if you haven't seen it yet.

117 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:36:16am

re: #110 windsagio

that guy looks MESSED UP.

No. Not messed up.
Here's the whole alphabet. Their human counterparts are everywhere in life.


Accusing Alligator blames everything and everybody for anything
Bashful Bear--so shy he is afraid to try almost everything
Clever Camel--very practical and can fix anything
Doubtful Dog doubts anything and everything, including himself.
Enormous Elephant loves to eat and eat
Fearless Fish-- town daredevil
Goof-off Goose—she'll do everything—tomorrow!
Healthy Hippo always has the latest and greatest answer for keeping fit
Imitating Iguana wants to be just like everybody else
Jealous Jackal--convinced that everyone else is better off than he is
Kidding Kangaroo doesn't know when to stop joking
Loving Lion--would like to love everybody all of the time
Moody Moose--you never know just what mood he's going to be in next
Nasty Nightingale--so mean that she upsets and hurts everyone she meets.
Outraged Octopus--not afraid to say NO! when bad things go on around town
Positive Pig--absolutely sure that no matter what happens, it's all for the best
Questioning Quail can't make up her mind
Responsible Rabbit--so busy he never takes time to relax
Smarty Stork has answers for every question, including who delivers babies
Temper Tantrum Turtle will do almost anything to get her own way
Unique Unicorn--the oldest citizen in town, but she's not too old for fun.
Vain Vulture thinks he is better than anyone else
Worried Walrus worries a lot
X-Rating Xerus thinks that telling people what is not allowed will solve all problems
Yakety Yak talks and never listens
Zany Zebra--not afraid to be different

118 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:36:18am

re: #116 WindUpBird

I love wondermark!

that and pictures for sad children are the only 2 webcomics I follow closely.

119 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:37:35am

re: #117 Silvergirl

heh sorry, I was reacting to the art style >>

120 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:40:00am

One of my favorites is Least I Could Do.

121 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:40:23am

re: #118 windsagio

I love wondermark!

that and pictures for sad children are the only 2 webcomics I follow closely.

I like F Minus. Do you know it?

122 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:42:01am

That's all folks. Good-night.

123 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 12:45:48am

re: #121 Silvergirl

I've seen it referenced, in places. Going through the archive.


'nite silver! It was fun!

124 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 1:23:40am

Some times I'm in the wrong, when I wish I was correct
Some times I am right, when I wish my thoughts suspect
Often times things pass right by my "total bullshit" filter
But I truly think there's something off about this lepus lifter

125 ryannon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 1:27:06am

re: #7 WindUpBird

[Video]

A rock song about FRACTALS. By French Canadian prog rock gods Voivod.

I challenge any lizard to find me more rock songs about fractals.

I can haz updang?

126 ryannon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 1:29:34am

re: #9 windsagio

I've come around on abstract art, but theres a high signal:noise on it. Too much crap pretending to be abstract, it gets in the way of the stuff thats actually excellent.

Same thing with that fucking modern jazz, fractal math and string theory. All lies and neo-pompous posing. Commie plot, probably.

127 ryannon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 1:30:33am

re: #12 ohiogirl

Picasso is Ok but not my style. But honestly doesn't it look sometimes like they hung up their dropcloth?

I suppose age has nothing to do with it, but if I really cared, I'd ask you yours.

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 1:36:40am

Bah. I suck at poetry.

129 ryannon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 1:38:37am

re: #33 WindUpBird

I'm not into the Hudson Valley School stuff so much, but I love Edward Hopper, who has sort of crossover appeal.

Crossover appeal: meaning that even a total douche might find something pretty in his stuff?

I hear him spinning furiously in his tomb.

130 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 1:39:57am

re: #126 ryannon

not *all*, but you have to actually pay attention to tell whats legit from whats just pretending :p

131 ryannon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 1:55:09am

re: #130 windsagio

not *all*, but you have to actually pay attention to tell whats legit from whats just pretending :p

I've been through these discussions so many times that I don't anymore.

Here's something on the subject you may or may not like. It took me a while to start seeing through his eyes, and then I was glad that I usually didn't. Which doesn't mean that he wasn't a kick-ass artist.

Thanks, Jean-Michel.

132 ryannon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 1:58:10am

More Basquiat:

133 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 1:58:49am

re: #131 ryannon

I think you're missing your mark, ma'am.

I've gotten the point you're trying to make a million times from WUB, so believe me I get it :p


Its ultimately still in the eye of the beholder tho'

134 ryannon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:05:09am

LIGHTS OUT IN THE DEAD THREAD!


re: #133 windsagio

I think you're missing your mark, ma'am.

I've gotten the point you're trying to make a million times from WUB, so believe me I get it :p

Its ultimately still in the eye of the beholder tho'


I'm not a ma'am, sir.

For the rest, whatever. One function of art is to be enjoyed. If you don't get off on it, well, find something else that works.

Not directed at you.


135 ryannon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:07:36am

and now it's time to say goodnight, goodnight, goodnight.....

136 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:07:53am

The president will be in Tampa today. I'm not going. But if you ever get to see a president live, it is very cool. I saw W in 2004. Had to get there 4 hours early. W was in an outdoor stadium. Secret Service on top of all the surrounding buildings. (obviously) Planes and helicopters all over the skies.

137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:08:38am

re: #134 ryannon

I'm not a ma'am, sir.

I'm not your sir, buddy!
/wait... wrong bit. never mind

138 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:09:23am

re: #134 ryannon

haha sorry, I've gotten nailed with the 'thats actually a woman!' on here so many times that I decided to invert it :P

139 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:17:03am

re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah, here we go. Good thing real Canadians aren't made like that. Peace and love to all my brothers and sisters north of the border. Same to all you Lizards here. G'nite.

140 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:30:48am

Morning Lizards!

Making the drive to Pensacola (Whiting Field actually) to speak at a winging Ceremony for new Naval Aviators tomorrow. Should be a lot of fun!

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:32:48am

re: #140 rwdflynavy

Morning Lizards!

Making the drive to Pensacola (Whiting Field actually) to speak at a winging Ceremony for new Naval Aviators tomorrow. Should be a lot of fun!

Don't forget Pensacola is in the Central time zone. Just saying.

142 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:34:16am

re: #141 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don't forget Pensacola is in the Central time zone. Just saying.

The good news is I gain an hour heading over. Trying to make it to the Naval Aviation Museum at NAS Pcola and then back to Whiting for the soft-patch ceremony at 4:30pm today!

143 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:34:31am

re: #141 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don't forget Pensacola is in the Central time zone. Just saying.

And congrats!!

144 srb1976  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:38:42am

Morning everyone!

145 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:39:53am

re: #144 srb1976

Morning everyone!

Morning!

146 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:42:16am

Morning folks, for those in the appropriate time zones. Insert salutation of choice if you're not.

Dunno if this has been talked about yet, but the bugging of Landrieu's office doesn't appear to have been about wiretapping:
The Landrieu Phone Case: Not A Bugging After All?

Asked by TPMmuckraker today about the initial "bugging" reports, Attorney Garrison Jordan replied, "the complaint is not about a wiretap." Jordan represents Robert Flanagan, one of the two men who allegedly donned a phone repairman costume and tried to get access to the phone system in Landrieu's office.

and:

Meanwhile, the AP has added a new detail to the narrative of what happened Monday. Citing an anonymous law enforcement official, the news service reports "one of the hard hats was rigged with a tiny camera."

The affidavit alleges that Flanagan and Joseph Basel entered Landrieu's office wearing hard hats and other gear. O'Keefe allegedly appeared to tape the pair with his cell phone as they interacted with a staffer.

As far as I can tell from various sources, O'Keefe probably wanted to recreate his fake ACORN sting videos: he was videotaping his pals as they pretended to answer phones in the office and say "Landrieu isn't available", as part of a new fake expose 'proving' that her constituents can't reach her on the phone.
I hope the little douchebag has the book thrown at him.

147 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:43:14am

Btw, genius O'Keefe twittered about his little expose before he went to the office. Linked in spinoffs, filed under "Duh".

148 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:44:20am

re: #147 iceweasel

Btw, genius O'Keefe twittered about his little expose before he went to the office. Linked in spinoffs, filed under "Duh".

I'm robbing a bank later. Please don't tell anyone.
/

149 Sabnen  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:44:51am

re: #136 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes, it is very cool to see a President. Went to a West Point graduation over which W presided. I was very impressed with the security (even at West Point!).

I was also impressed with W, he handed out every diploma and shook every cadet's hand. Some cadets brought cameras along and he would pose (quickly) with them for a picture after the hand-off of the diploma and handshake, and not miss a beat in the procession of graduates. You could see he was getting exhausted near the end of the exercises.

The best part was the departure . . . we were driving throug Throphy Point, near The Plain, when the MP's stopped our car (and everybody else's on the road). After two minutes of waiting, four identical Marine helicopters lept into the air, simultaneously, and flew/swooped off in different direcions, with a roar I'll never forget. Very cool.

150 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:47:26am

re: #148 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm robbing a bank later. Please don't tell anyone.
/

Ok, but I'm retweeting it!

151 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:51:42am

Possibly also posted before: turns out Brietbart was paying O'Keefe. Ooops.

Breitbart says arrest not related to BigGovernment, but he's paying alleged wiretap plotter O'Keefe "a fair salary"

As with the doctored ACORN videos, Breitbart was paying O'Keefe to come up with this crap. I hope it bites him in the ass as well, but it probably won't. Especially as it now appears it isn't a wiretapping charge.

152 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:52:50am

re: #149 Sabnen

On 9/11 W ran past my friends car repair place. My friend didn't know that anything had happened until 10 minutes later. He couldn't figure out originally what the deal was, just that they were hauling ass. 5 minutes later he's seeing AF1 in the air.

153 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:54:26am

re: #147 iceweasel

Btw, genius O'Keefe twittered about his little expose before he went to the office. Linked in spinoffs, filed under "Duh".

Rofl...

154 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:56:53am

re: #153 Varek Raith

Rofl...

Sometimes I wish we had a generic 'Duh' category....

155 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:00:42am

re: #147 iceweasel

Btw, genius O'Keefe twittered about his little expose before he went to the office. Linked in spinoffs, filed under "Duh".

Wil E Coyote...Super Genius!!!

156 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:01:26am

re: #155 rwdflynavy

Wil E Coyote...Super Genius!!!

Heh-- exactly! BTW, good luck with your drive and your talk today! Congrats again!

157 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:01:45am

What'd I miss?

158 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:02:24am

re: #156 iceweasel

Heh-- exactly! BTW, good luck with your drive and your talk today! Congrats again!

Thanks Ice. I-10 is not a real exciting drive. Fortunately, I have some audio books and lots of music on the ipod touch!

159 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:02:52am

re: #157 Varek Raith

What'd I miss?

Were you here earlier for furries, fractals and fine art?

160 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:03:03am

Did Charles flounce the flouncer last night? I went to bed.

161 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:03:17am

re: #159 rwdflynavy

Were you here earlier for furries, fractals and fine art?

Nope.

162 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:03:40am

re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did Charles flounce the flouncer last night? I went to bed.

In Soviet Russia, Flouncer Flounces You!

I have no idea.

163 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:03:58am

re: #158 rwdflynavy

Thanks Ice. I-10 is not a real exciting drive. Fortunately, I have some audio books and lots of music on the ipod touch!

Those kinds of drives can be lots of fun though-- sounds like you're all prepared for it!

164 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:04:06am

re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did Charles flounce the flouncer last night? I went to bed.

You mean Vambo?

165 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:05:17am

re: #164 Varek Raith

You mean Vambo?

I think so.

166 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:05:34am

re: #161 Varek Raith

Nope.

I read them, didn't have much to contribute. Wind Up Bird explained his avatar...it is the head of his "furry" costume.

167 Aye Pod  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:06:16am

re: #13 WindUpBird

This is currently my favorite abstract artist on DA: [Link: senecal.deviantart.com...]

He does some representational stuff, but it's all digital, straight from a blank Photoshop file. it's like he's painting the essence of information.

I like it. I read it as a cityscape though. I guess whether something is abstract or not in the first place is also a matter of personal interpretation.

168 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:06:26am

re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think so.

Then no, not blocked. Comment deleted, though.

169 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:06:33am

Real World intrudes.

Later Lizards!

170 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:06:34am

re: #164 Varek Raith

You mean Vambo?

What happened???

171 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:09:04am

re: #170 iceweasel

What happened???

Click here, the original was deleted.

172 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:11:14am

re: #171 Varek Raith

Click here, the original was deleted.

Looks like that isn't the whole story.

173 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:12:22am

re: #172 iceweasel

Looks like that isn't the whole story.

Yeah, beats me, I was too busy being my usual snarky, cynical self.
;)

174 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:13:31am

re: #173 Varek Raith

Yeah, beats me, I was too busy being my usual snarky, cynical self.
;)

Was that during the SOTU thread or the one after?

175 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:14:25am

re: #174 Cannadian Club Akbar

Was that during the SOTU thread or the one after?

During the SOTU thread.

176 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:15:34am

re: #175 Varek Raith

During the SOTU thread.

Well, policy discussion during a thread that saw 1050 comments in 70 minutes, probably not the best time.

177 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:16:51am

re: #176 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, policy discussion during a thread that saw 1050 comments in 70 minutes, probably not the best time.

Very true.

178 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:17:50am

re: #173 Varek Raith

Yeah, beats me, I was too busy being my usual snarky, cynical self.
;)

I don't hang out here for live reaction on the SOTU speech or anything similar. Made an exception for Obama's Cairo speech only because it was early am, like now, and not a whole thread.

2 reasons: I like to watch the speech (or live event), preferably in the 'real world' with political friends, not simultaneously keep up with a rolling thread, and 2) it gets too hyperpartisan and the signal to noise ratio is bad.
I've found that to be true generally on every blog, not just here. In past years before I regged I peeked in after the fact at the running commentary on a SOTU speech here, and didn't think it was for me.
Different strokes, etc.

179 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:18:07am

re: #176 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, policy discussion during a thread that saw 1050 comments in 70 minutes, probably not the best time.

Actually, not policy. But I think ya'll get my point.

180 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:22:24am

re: #179 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually, not policy. But I think ya'll get my point.

It's just not an environment that's conducive to serious discussion. And not just here-- I think that's true of every blog left or right that I know of that runs an open thread for the SOTU or similar.

181 srb1976  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:23:17am

re: #178 iceweasel

Heh, didn't even watch the speech....yesterday was my 8th straight 12 hour day @ work.....fell asleep on the couch watching DVR'd episode of NCIS = ).....

182 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:25:12am

re: #180 iceweasel

It's just not an environment that's conducive to serious discussion. And not just here-- I think that's true of every blog left or right that I know of that runs an open thread for the SOTU or similar.

That is true. I love speeches. Just fun. And ya know how people count the President's words-I, me, blah, blah- someone should go to the SOTU thread and count "drink.":)

183 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:25:13am

re: #180 iceweasel

It's just not an environment that's conducive to serious discussion. And not just here-- I think that's true of every blog left or right that I know of that runs an open thread for the SOTU or similar.

And that's cool-- people play drinking games and go all rah-rah for their 'team' or whatever, and beat on people who disagree with them. On all blogs or sites that do it. Just not my scene and I can't watch the speech or whatever and keep up with the convo online. Real life, yes. Kinda love having a party or going to one to watch these things and that's what I usually do, but online doesn't work for me.
My opinion only.

184 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:28:56am

re: #181 srb1976

Heh, didn't even watch the speech...yesterday was my 8th straight 12 hour day @ work...fell asleep on the couch watching DVR'd episode of NCIS = )...

Oh crap. It's a measure of my political obsessions that when I see the acronym NCIS I think this. :(

Holy cow, I hope your work schedule gets better soon!

185 srb1976  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:30:30am

re: #184 iceweasel

Oh crap. It's a measure of my political obsessions that when I see the acronym NCIS I think this. :(

Holy cow, I hope your work schedule gets better soon!

well good.....it's only a tv show, but same acronym = )

It will.....just a temporary thing

186 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:32:36am

re: #185 srb1976

well good...it's only a tv show, but same acronym = )

It will...just a temporary thing

I've heard it's a good show!
Hope you didn't have any more baby powder fights to clean up yesterday. :-)

187 srb1976  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:36:11am

re: #186 iceweasel

I've heard it's a good show!
Hope you didn't have any more baby powder fights to clean up yesterday. :-)

Eh, the joke's on them....they used up all the baby powder!! Haven't had a chance to get more = )

188 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:41:11am

I am currently sitting at my mom's house. It is about 45 degrees outside. I swear she has her heat on 80. WTF? I might have to make a trip to the ranch for a few days.

189 srb1976  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:43:38am

Later all, back to the salt mines = )
Have a great day!

190 Aye Pod  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:47:29am

John Cole's arm update :

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

Man, I thought I'd excelled in the ice-slippage injury stakes with the double shoulder fracture and torn rotator cuff, but this is so much worse. I hope he makes a full recovery, though it looks like it won't be speedy.

191 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:58:56am

Morning folks. Cold, cold, cold here again. We leave for Miami saturday, looking forward to getting some sun.

192 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 3:59:57am

re: #191 RogueOne

Morning folks. Cold, cold, cold here again. We leave for Miami saturday, looking forward to getting some sun.

Where ya going down there? South Beach? Or another spot?

193 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:01:03am

re: #192 Cannadian Club Akbar

Going to work, Miramar. Putting up the structural steel for a small movie theater.

194 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:04:19am

re: #193 RogueOne

Going to work, Miramar. Putting up the structural steel for a small movie theater.

Hope you watch NASCAR. That will help when driving I-95.

195 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:09:13am

Headed off to the shop, cya later.

196 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:15:13am

re: #117 Silvergirl

Of course, the first thing I though of seeing this list was Ubuntu release versions.

197 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:19:31am

re: #17 WindUpBird

You're taking to an artist who does some abstract stuff. :D Though most of what I do is representational silly fantasy genre art, I'm no snooty gallery haunt. You're probably referring to stuff like Jackson Pollock, which does look like that, but his thing was always about painting as evidence of his gestural energy.

Anyway, one of my favorite abstract artists from history is Mark Rothko: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

His work does not really translate well digitally, his paintings are enormous, and in person they vibrate with contrasting color, because he was essentially creating these layered color experiments, watching the hues interact with each other. They have a sort of sinsiter presence I really like. It's good stuff to learn about color from!

Rothko rocks.
That is all.

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:25:11am

So, watching the news... They're making hay about Sam Alito shaking his head, mouthing the words "not true" like it is last year's "you lie" moment.

199 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:34:03am

Adam Putnam (R-12, FL) is running for Agriculture Commisioner in Florida was just on my radio. They asked if he regreted getting out of Congress. They almost got the whole question out before he said no. He said DC is the most dysfunctional place in the world. He entered congress when he was 26. I love that guy.

200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:35:50am

Rep. Dina Titus, D-Nev recently called Pelosi a "profanity" according to an article I was reading. Is "bitch" still considered a profanity? Or was it something worse? Wow.

At least President Bush was able to keep his cronies in line.

201 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:38:20am

re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rep. Dina Titus, D-Nev recently called Pelosi a "profanity" according to an article I was reading. Is "bitch" still considered a profanity? Or was it something worse? Wow.

At least President Bush was able to keep his cronies in line.

Except when Cheney told Patrick Leheay (sp?) to fuck off on the floor of the senate. Heh.

202 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:40:54am

re: #201 Cannadian Club Akbar

But he was telling the opposition to fuck off. That's okay.

203 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:41:03am

re: #201 Cannadian Club Akbar

Except when Cheney told Patrick Leheay (sp?) to fuck off on the floor of the senate. Heh.

I believe it was "Fuck yourself", and when asked incredulously, What did you just say? Cheney elaborated with "Go fuck yourself".

204 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:42:58am

re: #203 iceweasel

I believe it was "Fuck yourself", and when asked incredulously, What did you just say? Cheney elaborated with "Go fuck yourself".

I stand corrected. I also remember when W called the NYT reporter an asshole with a hot mic on stage. W knew the mic was hot.

205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:44:59am

re: #204 Cannadian Club Akbar

Like I said, Bush's troops stayed pretty well around him. These guys are turning on the leadership pretty quick.

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:46:38am

re: #203 iceweasel

I believe it was "Fuck yourself", and when asked incredulously, What did you just say? Cheney elaborated with "Go fuck yourself".

It'd be cool to be POTUS or VPOTUS for that reason. Someone angrily turns to you and says, "What did you say?"

And you look them carefully back in the eye and enunciate, "Go. Fuck. Yourself." 9 guys in the background in suits and earpieces at yer back.

207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:48:16am

Advantage of this nasty cold I got from Toots?

Can't smoke. Haven't smoked in four days.

208 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:49:21am

re: #207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Advantage of this nasty cold I got from Toots?

Can't smoke. Haven't smoked in four days.

Gonna try to keep it up?

209 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:50:41am

re: #207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Advantage of this nasty cold I got from Toots?

Can't smoke. Haven't smoked in four days.

Could be a blessing in disguise. I know a couple of people who managed to finally quit because they came down with a bug that kept them from smoking for a few days. Made it easier to keep going on with it when they got better.
Good luck

210 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:52:12am

FWIW, FBV, pie will taste better if you quit smoking. Wait, that might be a bad thing.
/

211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:53:43am

re: #208 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #209 iceweasel

I'd like to think so. I quit for 6 months last year, but started back up BECAUSE I AM STUPID! after they jacked the taxes on the smokes. Walter was very supportive, but I let myself and him down.

If I do it, ain't gonna talk about it.

212 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:57:51am

Morning All..

213 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:58:27am

re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I did the Chantix thing and it really worked. But I have about as much will power as a younger Madonna in an NBA locker room.
/

214 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:59:42am

re: #210 Cannadian Club Akbar

FWIW, FBV, pie will taste better if you quit smoking. Wait, that might be a bad thing.
/

I ate a fresh peach after I finally got my taste buds back after I quit...I won't get more explicit, but all the pleasure centers in my brain lit up at once....it is worth it! I don't get my biannual sinus infection anymore, I just feel a lot better than I ever did when I smoked.

Now I gotta quit eating crap, and that's going to be a lot harder.

215 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:00:26am

re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar

I heard she was voted "Girl Most Likely To" in her high school class.

216 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:01:23am

re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #209 iceweasel

I'd like to think so. I quit for 6 months last year, but started back up BECAUSE I AM STUPID! after they jacked the taxes on the smokes. Walter was very supportive, but I let myself and him down.

If I do it, ain't gonna talk about it.

Might be a good idea. People intend to be helpful, but the constant asking if you're still quitting can sometimes be annoying.

Also, some people ask hoping to hear that you've backslid. I don't think they mean to be mean, but I remember one friend who is a smoker who would eagerly ask me if I was 'still not smoking', and was always kinda disappointed when the answer was, "yep, i quit".
I don't think anyone here is like that, but sometimes it's helpful for personal goals to stay that-- personal.

217 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:03:33am

well..hate to post and run, but have to go to work...you all have fun..I'm gonna check out the carnage from last night downstairs and go drive for an hour.

218 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:03:59am

re: #216 iceweasel

BTW, I'm definitely not talking about Walter there. I think that's clear, but just to make it explicit.

219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:06:08am

re: #212 PT Barnum

Given your nic, you should probably use this as your salutation..

"Mornin' Suckas!"

Your log out button should say "This way to the egress."

220 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:10:40am

re: #219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have never seen the circus in my life. I'm pretty sure I would be rooting for some kind of animal attack if I did.

221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:13:25am

re: #220 Cannadian Club Akbar

Barnum wasn't ashamed to be a shameless hustler. I loved that about him.

222 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:19:03am

A state congresswoman who was anti-gaming (casino) is now pro gaming because she sees the amount of money that can be brought in through conventions and so on.

223 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:31:46am

Did anyone have any trouble swallowing Obama's hopenchange?
I know I did. I used to grudgingly admire his moving rhetoric, but IMO he just didn't have it last night.
The bloom is off the rose, the fat's in the fire and the cat's in the cradle.
Good Morning LGF.

224 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:31:57am

re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar

I did the Chantix thing and it really worked. But I have about as much will power as a younger Madonna in an NBA locker room.
/

Chantix works great, plus you get all the cool techno-color dreams.

225 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:33:08am

re: #223 Spare O'Lake

Felt like he had too many things on his list he wanted to hit. He might have done better to pare it back a bit.

226 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:35:53am

Everyone keeps showing the Alito bit. I keep getting distracted by how bad Ginsberg looks. I wonder why she's decided not to retire.

227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:36:10am

re: #225 RogueOne

While I don't agree with all his is trying to do, I kind of admire his "balls to the walls" style.

But I started watching "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea".

228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:38:01am

re: #226 RogueOne

Oh yeah. She looks so old and frail. I kind of expected to see someone wipe her chin.

I can't imagine continuing to have a mind that sharp with a body unable to keep up.

"I hope I die before I get old."

229 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:38:36am

Morning Joe just quoted Dan Riehl re: Alito

230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:38:43am

The budget should be balanced; the treasury should be refilled; public debt should be reduced; and the arrogance of public officials should be controlled." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

The more things change...

231 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:39:08am

re: #224 RogueOne

Chantix works great, plus you get all the cool techno-color dreams.

When I got it I asked my Dr. if it would keep me up at night. He said, "You wanna be knocked out? I can make it happen." I'm not a pill person so I said no.

232 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:40:53am

re: #231 Cannadian Club Akbar

Same here, I don't like meds, chemicals, etc.. Chantix did work well but it made me nauseous in the morning if I didn't eat a decent breakfast first.

233 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:41:16am

re: #229 RogueOne

Morning Joe just quoted Dan Riehl re: Alito

If they'll quote Dan Reihl on anything, unless it's to follow it up with mocking laughter and derision, it's just one more reason for me to dislike Morning Joe.
Riehl is a major nutbar and he should never be quoted or pointed to unless it's to mock him. Doesn't even matter what he's said.

234 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:44:42am

re: #225 RogueOne

Felt like he had too many things on his list he wanted to hit. He might have done better to pare it back a bit.

It's high time for his handlers to stop overestimating the gullibility of his base, because I think they too are starting to gag on the stale baloney sandwiches he keeps serving up.

235 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:49:53am

re: #233 iceweasel

I haven't seen his name around much, I was kind of surprised to see them use a quote of his.

236 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:50:12am

re: #3 windsagio

haha, here, I'll put something.

Art that my autistic brother did.

I'm like mega-proud of him, he's actually (after 40 years) able to make a real living :)

Wow. I love this painting.

237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:51:19am

re: #236 Jeff In Ohio

Thanks for quoting that. I missed it. Very cool painting.

238 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:52:54am

Toyota Extends Car Recall to Europe

The acceleration problem is being characterized (still) as purely mechanical. I'm unconvinced, but I recommend the video by ABC.com and Consumer Reports.

239 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:53:31am

Remember the kid who was shot and killed by the BART police last year? They filed a $50 Million lawsuit but settled for $1.5 million yesterday. The officer who shot him is still facing a murder charge:

[Link: www.sfexaminer.com...]

240 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:56:48am

re: #235 RogueOne

I haven't seen his name around much, I was kind of surprised to see them use a quote of his.

He's very bad news. I'm disappointed in general about the ease with which MSM will quote or link to various hate-bloggers, like the shrieking harpy (Pam Atlas) or Riehl.

There's a bit of stuff on Riehl here, most notably about his insistence that the KY census worker found dead in a manner initially undermined had to be a paedophile, or was killed by a gay hookup. All without any sort of proof-- I don't even think the guy was gay, let alone a paedophile.

I thought you might have run across Riehl before because in some moods DR fancies himself a 'crime blogger'. He was especially obsessed with Nataliee Holloway, and you can search his tags there to find all sorts of horrible speculation-- including ones about her grieving mother, suggesting that she is 'faking feeling guilty' and that she encouraged her daughter in 'lifestyle choices' that led to Natalee's murder. Much, much more.
I have the links but would rather not-- you can search my posts here with the word 'riehl' and find some info.

241 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:57:19am

re: #237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks for quoting that. I missed it. Very cool painting.

I felt lucky to have started browsing from the top. That was quite a treat for this morning.

And it's sunny today to boot! I was out hauling the mornings wood in a t-shirt, singing to myself, looking at the garden and wondering about starting the lettuce.........and it's like 20° or something out. When I got in, I thought, shit I'm cold. Sunshine will do that!

242 Interesting Times  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:58:40am

If I may be permitted a little self-indulgence - I just checked "Top Comments" and (as at the time I'm typing this) saw one of my own posts! (and when I first made it, I figured it would get lost in the shuffle and go much pretty much unnoticed). Can't help but feel a little gratified about this, considering my pathetically low comment count compared to others who joined around the same time :)

243 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:59:12am

re: #227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

While I don't agree with all his is trying to do, I kind of admire his "balls to the walls" style.

But I started watching "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea".

Maybe he should have sung a sophomoric drinking song in the middle of the speech for added effect:

Balls to your partner,
Ass against the wall,
If you can't get laid on Saturday night,
You'll never get laid at all.

244 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:01:26am

re: #242 publicityStunted

Good for you. Your goal should be one of two things:
Sweep the bottom 10 or:
Get one in both top and bottom 10 on the same day. Heh.

245 stevemcg  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:03:21am

re: #241 Jeff In Ohio

I felt lucky to have started browsing from the top. That was quite a treat for this morning.

And it's sunny today to boot! I was out hauling the mornings wood in a t-shirt, singing to myself, looking at the garden and wondering about starting the lettuce...and it's like 20° or something out. When I got in, I thought, shit I'm cold. Sunshine will do that!

Morning wood ain't what it used to be.

246 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:05:32am

re: #242 publicityStunted

Congrats! Just added an upding for you! :-)

I think Charles recently changed the system here so that his own comments can't be rated, specifically to give other posters here, especially the new ones, more of a shot at winding up in the top ten.

Lots of good comments here never get the attention they deserve, especially in a big thread-- various factors apply, like the timing of the comment and whether there are new threads open. Congrats again, and I wish you many more! hee.

247 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:06:20am

re: #244 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good for you. Your goal should be one of two things:
Sweep the bottom 10 or:
Get one in both top and bottom 10 on the same day. Heh.

Or both goals! :-)

248 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:06:57am

re: #243 Spare O'Lake

No, I'd go with "Have a Beer with Fear"

249 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:07:57am

re: #245 stevemcg

Heh, speaking for yourself, I hope.

250 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:11:28am

re: #242 publicityStunted

And a fine comment it was.
Olberman sucks in his own right, but he sure ain't in Beck's class.

251 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:14:06am

re: #249 Jeff In Ohio

Heh, speaking for yourself, I hope.

It'd be better than speaking for his neighbor.

252 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:14:51am

Fractals, hmm...

I believe that scientific knowledge has fractal properties, that no matter how much we learn, whatever is left, however small it may seem, is just an infinitely complex as the whole was to start with. That, I think, is the secret of the Universe.
-- Isaac Asimov

253 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:15:13am

I woke up this am to a broken shower and short of coffee. Then I turn on the radio and I hear Chris Matthews
"For an hour and a half, I forgot he was Black" referring to President Obama.

Did I wake up in the twilight zone?

254 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:15:52am

Oops:


Chris Matthews: 'I Forgot Obama Was Black For An Hour' (VIDEO)

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

255 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:16:22am

re: #253 Rightwingconspirator

Beat me to it by 30 seconds.....

256 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:16:24am

re: #253 Rightwingconspirator

I woke up this am to a broken shower and short of coffee. Then I turn on the radio and I hear Chris Matthews
"For an hour and a half, I forgot he was Black" referring to President Obama.

Did I wake up in the twilight zone?

Jeff in Ohio posted a great link (imo) in spinoffs about this.
Yup, it happened.

257 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:16:51am

re: #253 Rightwingconspirator

I woke up this am to a broken shower and short of coffee. Then I turn on the radio and I hear Chris Matthews
"For an hour and a half, I forgot he was Black" referring to President Obama.

Did I wake up in the twilight zone?

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

258 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:18:09am

re: #253 Rightwingconspirator

Matthews is a tool. When I flipped on the SOTU, I not only noticed he was a black man, I noticed Biden is rivaling Orange John for tan salon hours and Pelosi puts on make up like she's going to the mall to see what's new at Bangles and Bracelets.

259 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:20:33am

For real NBA fans, the sidebar on the huffpo piece has the link to nekid photos of Greg Oden, a good hometown kid. Love the way he plays, but don't really want to see him nude.

260 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:21:03am

re: #252 The Sanity Inspector

Fractals, hmm...

I believe that scientific knowledge has fractal properties, that no matter how much we learn, whatever is left, however small it may seem, is just an infinitely complex as the whole was to start with. That, I think, is the secret of the Universe.
-- Isaac Asimov

Great quote.
We really are for the most part such self-important little beings.
THE SCIENCE IS NEVER "SETTLED".

261 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:22:43am

The "we all hated the bank bail out" line still cracks me up. It really hurt their feelings to toss billions at campaign contributors I'm sure.

262 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:22:51am

Did you see my dig at Nancy's necklace? I just really dislike the mismatched pearl necklaces. Yes the "official" style mavens have blown this huge. Not really about Nancy.

Anyway where is Chris Matthew's comment of the now hypersenitive racial outrage o meter?

263 badger1970  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:23:06am

Good morning all.

re: #259 RogueOne

Doesn't one have to be on the court to be actually characterized as playing? // Talk about someone who caught the injury bug.

264 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:23:24am

re: #252 The Sanity Inspector

A similar quote:
Nature uses only the longest threads to weave her patterns, so that each small piece of her fabric reveals the organization of the entire tapestry.
Richard P. Feynman

265 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:23:33am

In a much-anticipated speech at Auschwitz-Birkenau marking International Holocaust Memorial Day Wednesday, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu reasserted the right of the Jewish people to self-defense amid increasing concern over the Iranian threat and growing controversy abroad over the legitimacy of Israel and its military.

“From the cursed ground at Auschwitz, Birkenau and other camps rise the voices of our brothers and sisters, our people who choked to death and were burned and murdered,” said the prime minister, in English, wishing “decency, truth and hope ... for all mankind” before switching to Hebrew, “the language the Nazis sought to exterminate.”

“Remember what Amalek did to you,” cautioned Netanyahu, quoting a particularly ominous passage from Deuteronomy. “I have come here today from Jerusalem to tell you: We will never forget. We will not allow the Holocaust deniers or those who desecrate [Jewish] graves and signs to erase or distort [our] memory.”

The prime minister also warned that though the “Nazi Amalek” was almost entirely a ghost of the past, a new Amalek is appearing and once again threatening to annihilate the Jews. We will not allow it ... We will never forget and always stand guard,” he said.

“Murderous hatred must be stopped in its tracks, stopped right from the beginning. All countries in the world must learn this lesson, just as we did after losing a third of our people in blood-soaked Europe. We learned that the only guarantee for the protection of our people is the State of Israel and its army, the IDF,” Netanyahu declared, warning that never again would the existence of Israel and the Jewish people be threatened.

SNIP

266 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:24:41am

re: #263 badger1970


Doesn't one have to be on the court to be actually characterized as playing? // Talk about someone who caught the injury bug.

True, I feel bad for him. Being from Indy he was in the news for years and he just seems like a very nice, level-headed, young man. I'm not sure humans are meant to be that big.

267 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:27:01am

I wondered last week what Comcast thought about the whole late night fight and paying Conan $40 mill to just go away. The Huffpo lets us know:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]


Comcast CEO Brian Roberts on Wednesday expressed his frustration with NBC's late-night imbroglio, telling a Washington, D.C., audience that his company was effectively sidelined during the Leno-Conan meltdown.

"It is what it is. It's a frustrating period because we are unable to be legally involved," Roberts said, before going on to add that there are "many good things happening at NBC Universal."

268 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:28:11am

bbiab

269 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:28:52am

Are we at a place where any other than glowing comment about the President's race is an epic gaffe?

270 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:30:23am

re: #269 Rightwingconspirator

Are we at a place where any other than glowing comment about the President's race is an epic gaffe?

I wonder why you'd think that.
You can check the open thread here on the SOTU for much evidence to the contrary.

272 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:31:09am

re: #269 Rightwingconspirator

Race is an illusion of memes.

I know, really helpful.

Out of interest, if y'all have never taken this before, you ought to. It's very interesting.


Project Implicit

It's an interesting take on measuring implicit associations with groups.

273 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:31:11am

Ford, the only auto industry that didn't take our money is also the only american auto company that made money:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]


Ford Posts First Annual Profit In 4 Years, Pulling In $2.7B

DEARBORN, Mich. — Ford, the only U.S. automaker to avoid bankruptcy court, clawed its way to a $2.7 billion profit in 2009 and expects to stay in the black in 2010. It was the automaker's first annual profit in four years.

274 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:31:53am

Good morning Lizards!

Light overcast and mid-30s (F) here in Philly. Home made cookies (well, what started as cookies) here for the co-workers, and a fresh cup of tea on the desk.

275 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:33:22am

re: #270 iceweasel

I meant in the critical media, not LGF. Sorry not being clear. I read through and commented most of that thread. I must admit my focus was on the President, his speech, not the "inside media" stuff.

276 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:33:36am

re: #274 oaktree

Oaktree, is that the Blatant Beast or the Questing Beast in your profile? Or have you never heard of those?

277 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:33:46am

re: #272 Obdicut

Project Implicit rocks. I posted some links to it in my first weeks here. Highly recommend to all.

278 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:34:09am

re: #272 Obdicut

Favorites for later; :)

279 Ericus58  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:34:16am

DENVER (AP) -- Federal prosecutors on Wednesday charged a New York man accused of trying to open a commercial airplane's exterior door during a flight from Washington, D.C., to Las Vegas.

The U.S. Attorney's Office in Colorado said Gregory Thomas Burns, 33, told investigators he thought he was on the wrong airplane and that he thought it was grounded when he tried to open the door Saturday.

Burns, of Sydney Center, N.Y., faces federal charges of interfering with a flight crew. If convicted, he faces up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

The United Airlines jetliner was diverted to Denver International Airport and authorities released Burns after questioning him and determining he wasn't part of a terrorism plot.

Investigators said Burns had drank multiple beers and gin drinks before and during the flight and that he also had taken some tranquilizer pills.

They said some passengers restrained Burns after he allegedly tried to open the door. A flight attendant then had Burns sit near other male passengers during the remainder of the flight and gave one of them a wine bottle for protection, prosecutors said.

Burns underwent a medical evaluation after authorities questioned him.

He was arrested Wednesday morning at a Denver hospital after prosecutors filed a complaint. He was expected to appear before a federal magistrate in Denver for a bail and preliminary hearing Friday. A grand jury indictment is expected if the case proceeds.

My only question is why have a wine bottle to conk him on the head with... the crash axe in the flight deck would work better and not waste a good Merlot ;)

280 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:35:26am

Howdy

281 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:36:13am

Hey California gets 2 billion for a high speed train! Under three hours from Anaheim to San Francisco. Dinner out anyone?

282 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:37:05am
283 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:37:47am

re: #269 Rightwingconspirator

Are we at a place where any other than glowing comment about the President's race is an epic gaffe?

The gaffe here is that race requires a comment at all. This maybe a generational thing, but comments on race in the context of performance say much about what's not being said by the speaker then the thing that is said.

On the race-o-meter, Mathews rates a Harry Reid. Stupid fucking thing to say. The type of thing that one thinks, then says to themselves, wow, did I just think that? Not, gee, here's and insightful comment.

284 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:38:26am

re: #276 Obdicut

Oaktree, is that the Blatant Beast or the Questing Beast in your profile? Or have you never heard of those?

It is Glatisant. Illustration from a set of RPG rules called _Pendragon_ that is based on Arthurian romance/adventure. I still roleplay now and then, and am currently playing in a once-a-month game using these rules.

I've used a version of this illustration as a mascot/avatar for a number of years.

285 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:38:40am

re: #277 iceweasel

Project Implicit rocks. I posted some links to it in my first weeks here. Highly recommend to all.

Here's an interesting thing:

I took the test when I was living in the Tenderloin, first. It's a rough mainly-black neighborhood in San Francisco, packed with drug dealers, con artists, and massive drug use. So my day-to-day interaction with black people tended to be negative, especially since I worked at an all-white joint. I hung out with a few of my black friends, but our scheduled didn't really jive so I didn't actually see much of them during that time period.

So that first time I took it, during that time period I scored pretty concretely associating negatives with blacks and positives with whites. I took it two more times, because, you know, when you first take it it can make you feel kinda ashamed, but the results came out the same.

I moved out of that neighborhood some months later, to a much nicer neighborhood that still had a heavy black population, but more families trying to make it good, poor but honest type neighborhood. Near a hospital, too, with lots of black nurses hanging outside.

I retook the test after a few months of living in that neighborhood, and whaddyaknow, I suddenly had a slight positive association with blacks.

So I think that the implicit association test might not reveal deep-rooted stuff so much as it reveals surface stuff. It's interesting as all get-out.

286 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:39:16am

re: #283 Jeff In Ohio

The gaffe here is that race requires a comment at all. This maybe a generational thing, but comments on race in the context of performance say much about what's not being said by the speaker then the thing that is said.

On the race-o-meter, Mathews rates a Harry Reid. Stupid fucking thing to say. The type of thing that one thinks, then says to themselves, wow, did I just think that? Not, gee, here's and insightful comment.

For an hour and a half, I forgot that he was wearing a tie.

287 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:39:55am

re: #281 Rightwingconspirator

Hey California gets 2 billion for a high speed train! Under three hours from Anaheim to San Francisco. Dinner out anyone?

I'd rather have a line from Chicago to Milwaukee. It would see a good bit of use and might take some cars off the road. The problem would that it couldn't be high speed for some of its trip due to urban grade crossings.

288 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:39:56am

re: #284 oaktree

Cool. I'm a huge Arthurian Legend junkie. I like the Mary Stewart version the best.

My dad is a medievalist, so I grew up loving all of that stuff. Great bedtime stories for kids.

290 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:41:27am

re: #259 RogueOne

For real NBA fans, the sidebar on the huffpo piece has the link to nekid photos of Greg Oden, a good hometown kid. Love the way he plays, but don't really want to see him nude.

It's really too bad about him. I love watching that guy, in college and now. Never seen a big man get in the air so fast - it's how he blocks so many shots.

His ESPN commercial was absolutely hysterical. Love to see an athlete like that not take themselves seriously.

291 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:41:56am

re: #286 cliffster

For an hour and a half, I forgot that he was wearing a tie.

And when you woke up this morning, you remembered? I'm surprised Matthews didn't think to note the same observation.

292 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:41:57am

re: #284 oaktree

Oh, and if you've never read The Compleat Enchanter, you need to.

293 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:42:21am

re: #283 Jeff In Ohio

Okay! I agree, not racist per se, just really stupid racial.

294 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:42:32am

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

I'd rather have a line from Chicago to Milwaukee. It would see a good bit of use and might take some cars off the road. The problem would that it couldn't be high speed for some of its trip due to urban grade crossings.

The stretch of I-35 between San Antonio and Dallas is the most traveled (and most deadly) piece of highway in the country. At least it was a couple of years ago. Slap some highspeed rail there, and it will get used.

295 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:43:00am

re: #279 Ericus58

they don't have good merlot on airplanes. so it was probably no big loss//

296 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:43:28am

later taters. Chores call.

297 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:43:38am

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

Iran's government wants to paint the whole West in opposition to Iran.

I'm out to work. BBT

Have a great day!

298 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:44:00am

re: #293 Rightwingconspirator

I missed it. What happened?

299 laZardo  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:44:40am

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

Iran's government wants to paint the whole West in opposition to Iran.

How many coats is that this year?

300 Interesting Times  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:44:42am

re: #246 iceweasel

Lots of good comments here never get the attention they deserve, especially in a big thread-- various factors apply, like the timing of the comment and whether there are new threads open. Congrats again, and I wish you many more! hee.

Thanks :)

On another note, I've noticed a weird thing happening when I put links in my posts - instead of the link containing only the intended URL:

example.com

...it tacks on the address of the blog, like so:

littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog example.com

Any idea what causes this? Some kind of cut/paste error, i.e. if you accidentally leave a stray < a href > tag the site software automatically adds a link to the homepage?

301 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:44:58am

re: #288 Obdicut

The odd thing I picked up from playing this system is that I understand heraldry better than any of my friends. From that I occasionally make remarks about why certain sports uniforms work/suck from a heraldic standpoint; e.g. the color combinations meet or fail the heraldic standards.

I was asked once about the heraldic rules while a player was designing a coat-of-arms for a character. I responded that the general gist was creating a combination that was visible and relatively easy to identify at 30 feet in the midst of a melee. Beyond that you selected patterns and charges/symbols that represented your family and ideals. (Pratchett made a comment about many heraldic arms containing bad puns for family names or occupations. There are a lot of them.)

302 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:45:12am

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

Iran's government wants to paint the whole West in opposition to Iran.

I'm out to work. BBT

Enjoy your little slice of the American dream, DF

303 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:45:15am

re: #273 RogueOne

Ford, the only auto industry that didn't take our money is also the only american auto company that made money:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Heard that on NPR this morning. Good for them...they're making cars with much better quality and that i'd actually drive.

Drove an Edge for a while...the microsoft SYNC system is hands-down the best voice-activated system on the market...better than acura or infiniti IMHO...as close to the Enterprise computer as i've seen yet. Loved it.

304 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:45:17am

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

I wish we could have both! Transportation infrastructure saves gas, time, makes jobs etc etc.

305 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:45:47am

re: #292 Obdicut

Harold Shea! :)

306 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:45:58am

re: #298 Obdicut

Chris Matthews "I forgot he was black"

307 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:47:43am

re: #306 Rightwingconspirator

I don't even know what that means. It sounds like he's describing a portion of his memory being removed. What does it mean to forget someone is black?

Any context in what he was trying to get across? Was it just one of those mentally garbled moments?

308 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:49:30am

re: #285 Obdicut


So I think that the implicit association test might not reveal deep-rooted stuff so much as it reveals surface stuff. It's interesting as all get-out.

Thanks for that story. I think the test is incredibly interesting, and definitely worth taking more than once.
I don't have a story like yours, but I first encountered it as part of a psych project, so I knew (more than most) when going into it what it was tracking for, how it would track, etc.

My scores haven't changed much over time-- but they did show a persistent bias. Most people who take it probably don't look at all the scores or know how to read the results, I think.

In my case, I persistently showed a longer reaction time (a lag) for hitting the 'safe' button when it was black people with the concealed object.We're talking here about miliseconds or whatever, and I never incorrectly identified black people as threats--but I would respond faster when it was white people, I made false postitives for white people, and I always had this couple of extra miliseconds in judging black people.

So, it's very interesting and reveals bias.
In my case, it revealed a kind of over-compensation effect, I think-- I knew what they were testing for and how the test worked, and I was subconsciously 'trying harder' to get a 'good' score.

309 laZardo  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:49:36am

re: #304 Rightwingconspirator

I wish we could have both! Transportation infrastructure saves gas, time, makes jobs etc etc.

That is if it's reliable. ):

310 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:50:11am

re: #303 Aceofwhat?

Heard that on NPR this morning. Good for them...they're making cars with much better quality and that i'd actually drive.

Drove an Edge for a while...the microsoft SYNC system is hands-down the best voice-activated system on the market...better than acura or infiniti IMHO...as close to the Enterprise computer as i've seen yet. Loved it.

I've got the Lincoln equivalent of the Edge - and yes, the SYNC system is spectacular. I bought a Ford product specifically because they did not taker any bail-out money - and because this vehicle was the previous year's model and so drastically reduced in price, it was cheaper than the Toyota I was looking at.

311 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:50:54am

re: #307 Obdicut

There are links

JeffInOhio and I talked about it earlier. Epic stupid statement, not indicating Chris is racist. Epic gaffe.

312 laZardo  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:50:57am

re: #310 reine.de.tout

I've got the Lincoln equivalent of the Edge - and yes, the SYNC system is spectacular. I bought a Ford product specifically because they did not taker any bail-out money - and because this vehicle was the previous year's model and so drastically reduced in price, it was cheaper than the Toyota I was looking at.

Cash-for-clunker?

/checking. Bailout recipient or not, all the carmakers were into it. q;

313 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:52:16am

re: #310 reine.de.tout

I've got the Lincoln equivalent of the Edge - and yes, the SYNC system is spectacular. I bought a Ford product specifically because they did not taker any bail-out money - and because this vehicle was the previous year's model and so drastically reduced in price, it was cheaper than the Toyota I was looking at.

Given the Toyota headlines recently, i'll bet you regret your decision not one iota!

314 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:52:17am

re: #311 Rightwingconspirator

Thanks. Sorry to make you rehash.

315 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:52:37am

re: #309 laZardo

Right you are. Thats part of the jobs, or it is when well executed. I love my Red Line to LA

316 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:53:20am

re: #307 Obdicut

I don't even know what that means. It sounds like he's describing a portion of his memory being removed. What does it mean to forget someone is black?

Any context in what he was trying to get across? Was it just one of those mentally garbled moments?

Ha! I thought that mentally garbled was his MO?!

317 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:53:42am

re: #292 Obdicut

I've read a number of versions of the Arthurian meme. Including some of the more science fiction-y ones that bring one or more of the characters into the modern day.

And there's plenty of riffs done on it. T H White's take was traditional for the most part, but the upbringing of Arthur is the good stuff (Once and Future King). The Mary Stewart trilogy is good as well with the focus on Merlin. Marion Zimmer Bradley did the feminist riff with _Mists of Avalon_, and essentially converted the usual villaness of the story into a much more complex person. Lawhead's Pendragon Cycle centered more on a Roman/Christian set-up than a medieval one (arguably more accurate for the claimed time period.)

Even have a few books of Arthurian-centric short stories. Including a satire police procedural.

318 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:54:08am

re: #300 publicityStunted

Oh weird-- I know amazon links get automatically routed to be via the LGF affiliate; maybe CJ has a special code so that links from LGF show up for him as routed via LGF?

Just guessing. I hadn't noticed what you're mentioning but it's common (and smart) for blogowners/webmasters to track outclicks and want outclicks to other sites to 'hit' as 'from LGF'. (or wherever)

319 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:55:24am

re: #303 Aceofwhat?

This town was built and paid for by GM with the last plant closing a couple years ago. My buddy is buying a new car this year and he's eligible for the GM employee contract and he's decided he's buying a toyota instead. Everyone is concerned about how much longer GM is going to be in business.

320 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:55:34am

re: #317 oaktree

Ooh, what's the name of the satirical police procedural?

321 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:55:58am

re: #307 Obdicut

I don't even know what that means. It sounds like he's describing a portion of his memory being removed. What does it mean to forget someone is black?

Any context in what he was trying to get across? Was it just one of those mentally garbled moments?

It's really hard to see that in a way that isn't really insulting. I think folks are giving him too much of a pass upthread. Forgot he was black, meaning that he can't imagine a black man giving a speech? A black man in a position of authority? It's way past Harry Reid, who at the end of the day really was just commenting on the color of they guy's skin. This was - "I'm surprised a black man could be speaking that well"

322 laZardo  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:56:11am

re: #315 Rightwingconspirator

Right you are. Thats part of the jobs, or it is when well executed. I love my Red Line to LA

I'm just happy that my local LRT can whisk me past Metro Manila traffic with a minimum of smog inhalation.

323 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:56:34am

re: #321 cliffster

I'd love to hear Chris Rock respond to that. He has a bit, probably on youtube, sort of like that. "He speaks so well. Speaks so well?? How the hell do you expect him to speak, he's a fucking educated man!"

324 badger1970  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:56:36am

re: #294 cliffster

TTC?

325 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:57:24am

re: #321 cliffster

Well, I'll go watch it and his attempted explanation, then. And ponder the mystery of how come Western civilization got so racist, when the Romans really, really weren't.

326 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:58:25am

re: #319 RogueOne

This town was built and paid for by GM with the last plant closing a couple years ago. My buddy is buying a new car this year and he's eligible for the GM employee contract and he's decided he's buying a toyota instead. Everyone is concerned about how much longer GM is going to be in business.

With reason, IMHO. Smaller and leaner is the way to go, i think...Toyota isn't outselling them through brand proliferation.

327 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:58:25am

re: #322 laZardo

I had forgotten where you are. My shop co-workers are from Cebu and Manila. Anyway yeah every great city has good or better mass transit and decent security.

328 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:58:48am

re: #320 Obdicut

Ooh, what's the name of the satirical police procedural?

Don't have it on hand, but I can look it up at lunch time assuming I can find the book.

329 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:59:22am

Off to work BBL

330 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:59:25am

re: #324 badger1970

TTC?

eh?

331 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:59:34am

re: #325 Obdicut

Well, I'll go watch it and his attempted explanation, then. And ponder the mystery of how come Western civilization got so racist, when the Romans really, really weren't.

Eh. I'd rather try to stomp out the last vestiges of racism than deal with widespread, socially accepted pedophilia and slavery...

332 laZardo  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:00:48am

re: #326 Aceofwhat?

With reason, IMHO. Smaller and leaner is the way to go, i think...Toyota isn't outselling them through brand proliferation.

Toyota's making cars smaller, leaner, and lifeless.

GM shutting down Pontiac tossed out their own edge though. ):

333 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:01:01am

re: #331 Aceofwhat?

True that. It's just like, couldn't we have held onto that one particular Roman Virtue? It sure would have stopped a lot of the bloodbaths in Europe.

Alright. Commute time. Everyone say fascinating things for me to read when I get there.

334 badger1970  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:01:10am

re: #330 cliffster

Trans-Texas Corridor. Gov. Perry's brain child. Trans-Texas Corridor

335 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:01:40am

re: #323 cliffster

I'd love to hear Chris Rock respond to that. He has a bit, probably on youtube, sort of like that. "He speaks so well. Speaks so well?? How the hell do you expect him to speak, he's a fucking educated man!"

Yep. "Articulate" to me is one of the more insulting compliments that one can pay to a minority. Complimenting what is otherwise an expectation is not a compliment.

336 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:02:16am

re: #333 Obdicut

True that. It's just like, couldn't we have held onto that one particular Roman Virtue? It sure would have stopped a lot of the bloodbaths in Europe.

Alright. Commute time. Everyone say fascinating things for me to read when I get there.

Dude. Everything i say is fascinating. Why would today be any different//

337 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:02:47am

re: #332 laZardo

Toyota's making cars smaller, leaner, and lifeless.

GM shutting down Pontiac tossed out their own edge though. ):

Smaller, leaner, and they accelerate out of control with no way to stop or even slow down. I'm going to go buy two!

338 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:02:59am

re: #328 oaktree

Don't have it on hand, but I can look it up at lunch time assuming I can find the book.

Yay, please do!
Also a fan of various Arthurian legends, (updinged you and obdicut on this whole discussion)-- will also ask you later about heraldry. It's so interesting, and I only recently started looking at that (heraldry).

Jimmah and I recently compared some family stuff about that and it was extremely fun.

339 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:04:04am

re: #312 laZardo

Cash-for-clunker?

/checking. Bailout recipient or not, all the carmakers were into it. q;

No.
This was not part of that

340 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:06:00am

re: #313 Aceofwhat?

Given the Toyota headlines recently, i'll bet you regret your decision not one iota!

I love this vehicle (the MKX).

341 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:06:07am

re: #335 Aceofwhat?

Yep. "Articulate" to me is one of the more insulting compliments that one can pay to a minority. Complimenting what is otherwise an expectation is not a compliment.

Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Rock

342 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:06:07am

Fire Chris Mathews.

343 keloyd  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:06:27am

Re 16, 32 - JasonA and Spacejesus, if that's even your real name,

You play nice. We all know that when speaking blog-ese, some rhetorical flourish is not uncommon. I'm sure he wouldn't speak ill of the dead in person, just like certain people here (ahem, Walter) probably don't have cuss words and a half pint of bile in every 3rd sentence in real life.

We also know that Zinn was a horrendously bad historian. He and Noam Chomsky begin with an extreme political agenda, then only pay attention to any facts that fit a Marxist, self hating world view that is as red as Mata Hari's lipstick.

Dangit, I read a few chapters of something of his like 10 years ago, now I can't remember to cite it, but I've heard him speak.

/hate the Zinn
//condolences to his family

344 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:06:39am

O'keefe story fleshing out. MSNBC is reporting they weren't trying trying to bug the phones. If that is true then jail time is probably off the table.

345 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:07:04am

re: #342 Ben Hur

Fire Chris Mathews.

But, but, he's not a conservative!!!

346 laZardo  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:07:20am

re: #337 cliffster

Smaller, leaner, and they accelerate out of control with no way to stop or even slow down. I'm going to go buy two!

A very-related flow-chart.

347 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:07:34am

re: #344 RogueOne

O'keefe story fleshing out. MSNBC is reporting they weren't trying trying to bug the phones. If that is true then jail time is probably off the table.

What the hell were they trying to do, then?
Intimidate?
Whatever it was, it was stupid.

348 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:08:05am

Just a drive-by to wish you-all:

A Great Day!

349 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:08:39am

re: #344 RogueOne

O'keefe story fleshing out. MSNBC is reporting they weren't trying trying to bug the phones. If that is true then jail time is probably off the table.

IW posted that earlier. She has links.

350 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:09:06am

re: #347 reine.de.tout

What the hell were they trying to do, then?
Intimidate?
Whatever it was, it was stupid.

Film another fake 'gotcha' vid, in this case implying that Landrieu doesn't take calls from constituents.
Links upthread.

351 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:09:21am

re: #332 laZardo

Toyota's making cars smaller, leaner, and lifeless.

GM shutting down Pontiac tossed out their own edge though. ):

Eh. My wife had a new Pontiac when we got married, way back in 2000. By far the trashiest interior of any credible car brand. Ugly gray plastic everywhere. Sit in a Ford now, and it's at least classy. I've never said that about a Pontiac.

352 badger1970  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:09:31am

re: #347 reine.de.tout

Whatever it was, it was a stupid stunt even beneath Michael Moore's level. I personally think they saw "Return of the Pink Panther".

353 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:09:37am

re: #348 ggt

Just a drive-by to wish you-all:

A Great Day!

Giggity!

354 simoom  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:10:08am

re: #146 iceweasel

I like MSNBC's either/or headline on this ///

Prank or crime by activists at senator's office? A better title might be, "Political Stunt and crime by activists at senator's office."

So instead of entering federal property under false pretenses intending to wiretap the building's phones, they were entering federal property under false pretenses intending to vandalize them (disable the building's phone system after gaining access to the telecommunications closet?). I doubt that really improves their legal circumstances.

355 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:10:44am

re: #352 badger1970

Whatever it was, it was a stupid stunt even beneath Michael Moore's level. I personally think they saw "Return of the Pink Panther".

"Whoever built this castle put the stairs in the wrong place, you know..."

356 laZardo  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:11:49am

re: #351 Aceofwhat?

Eh. My wife had a new Pontiac when we got married, way back in 2000. By far the trashiest interior of any credible car brand. Ugly gray plastic everywhere. Sit in a Ford now, and it's at least classy. I've never said that about a Pontiac.

If it was one of GM's flood of badge-engineering clones, I can totally understand.

The thing I hate about GM is that they have a tendency to kill off those cars that are actually getting interesting. Like the Fiero post-spontaneous-combustion-models.

357 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:12:04am

Why tamper with Landrieu's phones?


From NBC's Pete Williams
A law enforcement official says the four men arrested for attempting to tamper with the phones in the New Orleans office of Sen. Mary Landrieu (D) were not trying to intercept or wiretap the calls.

Instead, the official says, the men, led by conservative videomaker James O'Keefe, wanted to see how her local office staff would respond if the phones were inoperative. They were apparently motivated, the official says, by criticism that when Sen. Landrieu became a big player in the health care debate, people in Louisiana were having a hard time getting through on the phones to register their views.

That is, the official says, what led the four men to pull this stunt -- to see how the local staffers would react if the phones went out. Would the staff just laugh it off, or would they express great concern that local folks couldn't get through?

Jumping the shark.

358 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:12:34am

re: #350 iceweasel

Film another fake 'gotcha' vid, in this case implying that Landrieu doesn't take calls from constituents.
Links upthread.

OK.
Well, that was stupid.
I'm not a Landrieu fan, far from it.
But I do know for a fact that she is responsive to requests from constituents.

359 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:12:43am

re: #354 simoom

I like MSNBC's either/or headline on this ///

Prank or crime by activists at senator's office? A better title might be, "Political Stunt and crime by activists at senator's office."

So instead of entering federal property under false pretenses intending to wiretap the building's phones, they were entering federal property under false pretenses intending to vandalize them (disable the building's phone system after gaining access to the telecommunications closet?). I doubt that really improves their legal circumstances.

Agreed.
Sadly, it does mean fewer charges (affadavit doesn't list wiretapping) and also means that our pal Andrew Breitbart will be able to slither away as well.
Links in thread and in the spinoffs here.

/Just another 'fraternity prank!'

360 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:12:57am

re: #356 laZardo

If it was one of GM's flood of badge-engineering clones, I can totally understand.

The thing I hate about GM is that they have a tendency to kill off those cars that are actually getting interesting. Like the Fiero post-spontaneous-combustion-models.

Agree. The little Saturn roadster is a fantastic-looking car.

361 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:12:59am

re: #357 Ben Hur

Oops.

Late to the party on that one.

Sorry.

362 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:14:09am

re: #345 Cannadian Club Akbar

But, but, he's not a conservative!!!

That dog whistle was more like a fog horn.

363 laZardo  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:15:25am

re: #360 Aceofwhat?

Agree. The little Saturn roadster is a fantastic-looking car.

And the Holden Commodore aka the Pontiac G8 GXP. At least they saved that to become the new Caprice.

364 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:15:55am

re: #359 iceweasel

Agreed.
Sadly, it does mean fewer charges (affadavit doesn't list wiretapping) and also means that our pal Andrew Breitbart will be able to slither away as well.
Links in thread and in the spinoffs here.

/Just another 'fraternity prank!'

Yes.

Sadly they can't be charged for things they didn't do.

Unfortunately they're not terrorists, then they'd get full benefit of doubt.

365 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:16:26am

re: #359 iceweasel

I still don't get it.// Even if they did show the office didn't really care if people could get through it's still just a minor local story. It might have made up about 30 seconds on the local evening news.

366 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:17:37am

re: #365 RogueOne

I still don't get it.// Even if they did show the office didn't really care if people could get through it's still just a minor local story. It might have made up about 30 seconds on the local evening news.

Exactly.
Stupid.
And Landrieu's office could, I'm sure, easily show that they do respond to constituent calls. Good grief. You know politicians keep those kinds of records . . .

367 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:19:19am

re: #365 RogueOne

I still don't get it.// Even if they did show the office didn't really care if people could get through it's still just a minor local story. It might have made up about 30 seconds on the local evening news.

In a normal political climate, yes.

Not now. O'Keefe made all those fake and heavily doctored ACORN vids and got loads of attention for it and a paying gig from Breitbart.
Links for all that in spinoffs.

368 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:21:27am

re: #366 reine.de.tout

Exactly.
Stupid.
And Landrieu's office could, I'm sure, easily show that they do respond to constituent calls. Good grief. You know politicians keep those kinds of records . . .

Doesn't matter in the age of fake outrage and internet bullshit, though.
One fake vid of a guy saying "Landrieu can't take your call" is worth many thousands of words rebutting that.

BTW, I don't know for sure that O'Keefe's object was that, but it's what I've been reading.

369 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:21:28am

re: #367 iceweasel

O'Keefe made all those fake and heavily doctored ACORN vids

Fake and doctored?

370 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:22:04am

re: #369 Ben Hur

Fake and doctored?

Sh*t.

I'll check the links.

371 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:22:38am

re: #365 RogueOne

I still don't get it.// Even if they did show the office didn't really care if people could get through it's still just a minor local story. It might have made up about 30 seconds on the local evening news.

There's extra outrage because he was never fully prosecuted for that gawdawful "pimp" outfit, so he has that coming//

372 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:22:54am

they found a guy alive, buried in the rubble in Haiti for 12 days. That could never happen in the US. Americans get fidgety if a stoplight is red for 15 seconds and start messing with their iPhone. 12 days?

373 simoom  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:23:22am

re: #365 RogueOne

I still don't get it.// Even if they did show the office didn't really care if people could get through it's still just a minor local story. It might have made up about 30 seconds on the local evening news.

Four men, each well connected in a myriad of ways with the GoP establishment, bypass security at a Democratic Senator's offices by impersonating public utility employees, with the intent to vandalize federal property? That seems to go beyond a "minor local story" on a number of levels.

374 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:23:30am

re: #369 Ben Hur

Fake and doctored?

Yep. You can read here about that, or do your own research.

The ACORN videos O'Keefe made and Breitbart pushed have been widely discredited, here and elsewhere.

375 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:23:33am

Good morning Lizards ... One thought in the aftermath of last night's speech. The President has both houses of Congress and has still basically gutted his own agenda. Of course, it's everyone else's fault- especially George W. Bush. As I said last night, when the 2012 Presidential debates take place, I hope the GOP candidate (whether I like him/her or not) looks President Obama in the face and tells him that if they're fortunate enough to get elected, they promise the American people that there will be no blaming outgoing President Obama for every "inherited" problem. There will simply be an effort to plow ahead and solve the problems of the country in a mature, dignified way.

376 laZardo  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:23:37am

And now for the epic automotive facepalm of the week:

Ferrari hybrid.

377 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:23:53am

re: #368 iceweasel

Where can I find that the vids were fake?

378 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:24:40am

re: #338 iceweasel

I joined a college fraternity in 1983 and they have a coat-of-arms with the accompanying blazon (description) that is read at every initiation in order to explain how the coat-of-arms expresses the ideals of the fraternity. That piqued my interest in heraldry and I read up on it a bit in the next few years.

Once I picked up the role-playing game mentioned upthread I learned a bit more, including finding a tome on heraldry (Fox-Davies' _The Art of Heraldry_) in the library in Pittsburgh. Used that as a great aid in designing coat-of-arms for the game, and learning about something interesting in general.

(Also helped in that while helping out with a fraternity initiation in the early-90s I did the part that included reading the blazon and describing the fraternity's coat-of-arms. I knew how to pronounce the old French words, knew what parts of the shield they referred to, and thus was able to make a very smooth presentation.)

Heraldry in general is an interesting concept, and it essentially is still alive, and corporate trademarks are essentially a modern day equivalent (a design or badge that represents the company - and employees tend to wear it as a symbol of their allegiance.)

And it's taken much more seriously in England and the rest of Europe than the U.S.. When I was over in England for a few weeks I was actually careful not to pack any clothes with my fraternity's coat-of-arms on it. Not a recognized/registered design, and I did not want to trigger any unnecessary trouble since you never know when you will run into a stickler.

379 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:25:10am

re: #368 iceweasel

Doesn't matter in the age of fake outrage and internet bullshit, though.
One fake vid of a guy saying "Landrieu can't take your call" is worth many thousands of words rebutting that.

BTW, I don't know for sure that O'Keefe's object was that, but it's what I've been reading.

It doesn't seem to be that's a big enough issue for him to have gotten involved in with 3 buddies. I would be willing to bet there's more to it.

The guy is stupid.
Some folks are gonna find O'Keefe credible no matter what; others would doubt his credibility no matter what; but there are some folks, I'm sure, who may have been willing to give him some small benefit of the doubt on the ACORN stuff, with whom he will now have lost all credibility. Stupid. And it reflects back on Breitbart, too - just incredibly stupid.

380 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:25:14am

re: #374 iceweasel

Yep. You can read here about that, or do your own research.

The ACORN videos O'Keefe made and Breitbart pushed have been widely discredited, here and elsewhere.

I've seen the defenses here, I haven't seen anything that would've stopped a Dem controlled Congress from stopping funding.

Are they all blind?

381 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:25:22am
382 CapeCoddah  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:26:05am

re: #376 laZardo

And now for the epic automotive facepalm of the week:

Ferrari hybrid.

Good morning everyone!
As an automobile lover, that is just NOT right.

383 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:26:46am

re: #379 reine.de.tout

It doesn't seem to be that's a big enough issue for him to have gotten involved in with 3 buddies. I would be willing to bet there's more to it.

The guy is stupid.
Some folks are gonna find O'Keefe credible no matter what; others would doubt his credibility no matter what; but there are some folks, I'm sure, who may have been willing to give him some small benefit of the doubt on the ACORN stuff, with whom he will now have lost all credibility. Stupid. And it reflects back on Breitbart, too - just incredibly stupid.

O'Keefe is done, IMHO.

384 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:27:52am

re: #379 reine.de.tout

It doesn't seem to be that's a big enough issue for him to have gotten involved in with 3 buddies. I would be willing to bet there's more to it.

There is. It's about HCR and Landrieu when you get down to it.

385 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:31:06am

re: #367 iceweasel

In a normal political climate, yes.

Not now. O'Keefe made all those fake and heavily doctored ACORN vids and got loads of attention for it and a paying gig from Breitbart.
Links for all that in spinoffs.

Someone posted this link this morning:

Andrew Breitbart is a Criminal, According to Andrew Breitbart's Own GOP Operative Logic
[Link: www.bradblog.com...]

Didn't see it in the spin-off links.

386 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:31:14am

re: #17 WindUpBird

You're taking to an artist who does some abstract stuff. :D Though most of what I do is representational silly fantasy genre art, I'm no snooty gallery haunt.


Good Morning, I realize that I'm late to the conversation but I wanted to mention that the work I do is also abstract, I do pen and ink mostly black and white. I like to use bic ball point pens (the 12 for $1.29 cheepo's) and recently my niece, who is also an artist, introduces me to Faber Castles art pens. I've been doing abstract art for over 40 years but i find it had to sell my stuff, no one seems to want to pay for them. I guess that's because they take be so long to complete, anywhere from three months to two years.

387 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:32:21am

re: #373 simoom

Four men, each well connected in a myriad of ways with the GoP establishment, bypass security at a Democratic Senator's offices by impersonating public utility employees, with the intent to vandalize federal property? That seems to go beyond a "minor local story" on a number of levels.

Except I was talking about the bit O'Keefe was attempting to "expose".

388 laZardo  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:32:23am

re: #382 CapeCoddah

Good morning everyone!
As an automobile lover, that is just NOT right.

Risk of fiery death aside, here's Toyota providing arguments for and against the existence of a God.

389 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:32:47am

re: #381 lawhawk

I was watching the news when it happened, incredible! A true miracle!

390 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:33:25am

I would give my right arm to understand cat psychology.

We have a new cat, well, a cat that showed up last summer looking like death warmed over, who has made a miraculous recovery - anyhoo - the other cats and this cat do this growling-staring-walking really slow and close to the ground- thing when this cat is near. I'm sure he is giving off some sort of signals to them, but I cannot figure out what they are. There have been no fights with injuries, just all this growling and posturing - I would love to know what it all means.

391 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:34:25am

Oh, btw, Good Morning everyone! I trust you all are either nursing a hang over from the drinking game or were smart enough to not drink that much on a work night?

392 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:34:30am

re: #388 laZardo

Risk of fiery death aside, here's Toyota providing arguments for and against the existence of a God.

I got the impression in that second link that they didn't like that vehicle very much

If you believe your future kids will become gearheads, and this is the lame form their rebellion takes, we suggest a vasectomy.
393 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:34:32am

re: #382 CapeCoddah

Electrics provide much higher torque at low speed, so there is a possible boost to performace, particularly in acceleration. Whether that translates to actual performance, it's beyond my price point to care. It's not like I can take it for a spin to find out whether it's just hype.

394 laZardo  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:34:40am

re: #390 reine.de.tout

I would give my right arm to understand cat psychology.

We have a new cat, well, a cat that showed up last summer looking like death warmed over, who has made a miraculous recovery - anyhoo - the other cats and this cat do this growling-staring-walking really slow and close to the ground- thing when this cat is near. I'm sure he is giving off some sort of signals to them, but I cannot figure out what they are. There have been no fights with injuries, just all this growling and posturing - I would love to know what it all means.

You took in an infiltrator. They are plotting to evict you from the house and taek ur cheezburgerz.

395 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:35:09am

re: #391 Dragon_Lady

Oh, btw, Good Morning everyone! I trust you all are either nursing a hang over from the drinking game or were smart enough to not drink that much on a work night?

Morning, DragonLady!
Some of us are still too sick with a cold to have done any drinking - still nursing the cold and a residual bronchitis.

396 laZardo  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:36:14am

re: #392 RogueOne

Petrolheads are an endangered species. Rather they go extinct than evolve (devolve?) into that which they despise. ):

397 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:36:25am

Irvington students ditch communist theme

You're assigned the color red. Now think of a relevant theme. Communism?

That's exactly what juniors at Irvington High School chose.

And that's when peace crumbled faster than the Berlin Wall.

The class vote was part of the school's Color Wars, to take place next month. A T-shirt was to feature a hammer and sickle on the front and "Isn't it Time You Joined the Party" on the back.

If that phrase made you smile, it was meant to. The students were intending to be funny, even envisioning a party hat perched on the sickle.

If it didn't, not everyone saw the humor.

"I just thought it was very inappropriate and offensive," said 17-year-old Michael Schur, a senior whose relatives died in Ukraine under Stalin's rule and whose mother complained to the principal.

398 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:37:34am

re: #390 reine.de.tout

I would give my right arm to understand cat psychology.

We have a new cat, well, a cat that showed up last summer looking like death warmed over, who has made a miraculous recovery - anyhoo - the other cats and this cat do this growling-staring-walking really slow and close to the ground- thing when this cat is near. I'm sure he is giving off some sort of signals to them, but I cannot figure out what they are. There have been no fights with injuries, just all this growling and posturing - I would love to know what it all means.

Good Morning! Were going through the same thing, we adopted a cat when a neighbor passed away and folding her into the family has been a trial. It gets better though, the growling is a warning and their getting to know each others limits. Be paitent, it'll settle down, eventually. :-)

399 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:37:59am

re: #390 reine.de.tout

I would give my right arm to understand cat psychology.

We have a new cat, well, a cat that showed up last summer looking like death warmed over, who has made a miraculous recovery - anyhoo - the other cats and this cat do this growling-staring-walking really slow and close to the ground- thing when this cat is near. I'm sure he is giving off some sort of signals to them, but I cannot figure out what they are. There have been no fights with injuries, just all this growling and posturing - I would love to know what it all means.


Love triangle?

400 laZardo  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:38:11am

re: #397 Ben Hur

PARTY HAARRRD!

401 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:38:13am

re: #393 lawhawk

Electrics provide much higher torque at low speed, so there is a possible boost to performace, particularly in acceleration. Whether that translates to actual performance, it's beyond my price point to care. It's not like I can take it for a spin to find out whether it's just hype.

Yep. The tesla can do 0 to 60 in 3.7 seconds. I believe the technical term for that time is "blistering". One commenter on the Ferrari thread posited that a battery could be used to boost acceleration before the turbo has had a chance to spool.

I may be in the minority, but i'd take a Tesla over a Camaro any day. Camaros look nice in the rear view mirror, and the only thing cooler than the throaty rumble of American muscle is the eerie silence of a sci-fi dream come true.

Unless there are pedestrians, in which case an electric vehicle can be death.

402 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:39:50am

re: #395 reine.de.tout

Morning, DragonLady!
Some of us are still too sick with a cold to have done any drinking - still nursing the cold and a residual bronchitis.

Me too, I'm still playing with a fever and sore throat. So if I digress let me know and I'll log off, no need to subject you all to my feverish ramblings! I hope you're feeling better than I am today.

403 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:41:43am

re: #390 reine.de.tout

I would give my right arm to understand cat psychology.
[snip]

Ancient Egyptians spoiled them. /

404 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:42:02am

re: #379 reine.de.tout

I found the ACORN videos to be representative of the kinds of people I used to deal with from ACORN and WFP when I worked in the NYS legislature (used to deal with the NYC and Brooklyn offices, who would bus up people to Albany to press their issues). That they would push unethical and display a moral and ethical flexibility was not surprising to say the least.

The videos stand separate and distinct from the LA case, which should result in the book being thrown at O'Keefe, et al. They were preparing to tamper with the phone systems in some fashion, and the federal penalties are significant on that. Even if you agree that Landrieu's office was playing fast and loose with their intake of calls on health care (disabling them), the route O'Keefe was taking to show that the office was engaging in some kind of disingenuous activity was illegal and wouldn't have proven misconduct in any case.

405 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:42:04am

re: #390 reine.de.tout

I've seen that behavior as well when "new" cats are introduced into an established set-up. It seems to be part of the social interactions establishing what the revised cat hierarchy is going to be. Hopefully without a full-scale fight.

This sort of growl-state-pace can also be the preliminaries to a full escalation yowling contest/fight. And if the fight is a draw with neither party running for it there can be a long drawn out growl-stare-pace contest as things wind down.

Saw one of my cats and a neighborhood cat do this for 30-40 minutes *after* they apparently popped each other a few times. I turned up after hearing all the yowling start and they were 40' down a hill slope where I couldn't interfere with the festivities. They eventually backed away from each other to about 5' range and then both turned and left the battlefield. Mine promptly came up to me and claimed victory. He also went to the vet the next day and got treated for a single fang wound in the bottom of his front paw. (All I can figure is that he hurt it *hitting* the other cat in the mouth.)

More likely it is not that bad. When my brother introduced two kittens into his wood shed cat population the resident adult cat hissed/growled and occasionally chased both the kittens for a few months. They're one big and happy social group now.

406 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:44:10am

New iPhone - check
iPhone charger plug - check
charger plug lands in coffee this am - uh oh.

Morning all!

407 laZardo  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:44:45am

Gonna attempt to sleep early tonight. Cheers!

408 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:45:49am

re: #406 Stanley Sea

Why are you trying to do anything before you've had your coffee?

409 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:46:31am

re: #408 cliffster

Why are you trying to do anything before you've had your coffee?

Oh, exactly.

410 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:46:57am

re: #405 oaktree

Yup, that's what mine are doing. I just try to keep mine from hurting each other, other than that all you can do is stay out of it and let them growl it out.

411 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:49:34am

re: #410 Dragon_Lady

Yup, that's what mine are doing. I just try to keep mine from hurting each other, other than that all you can do is stay out of it and let them growl it out.

Yep. My cats did this when we merged my and the Mrs. Fish's feline households. First, her cat would act all intimidated and just hide, presumably frightened by the unfamiliar environment; then, when she came out, her and my two cats had a brief posturing contest that established the pecking order. Now, it's either play-fighting or one of the females is in heat.

412 Ericus58  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:50:32am

As Devices Pull More Data, Patience May Be Required

[Link: www.cnbc.com...]

"In a recent briefing with analysts, Ralph de la Vega, AT&T’s chief executive for mobility, said that users of smartphones, primarily the iPhone, were straining the network by watching video and surfing the Web. The company reported an unprecedented increase in wireless data use of nearly 7,000 percent since late 2006."

413 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:51:42am

re: #412 Ericus58

Needs more tubes.

414 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:52:06am

good news for Chinese cats...

Cat, however, is less popular. Most Chinese avoid cat meat because of a superstition that the animal will return at night to wreak revenge.

no more cat slom goo...

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

415 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:52:15am

re: #411 thedopefishlives

Um, you have unspayed females? Man here in LA we get finned if our cats are left unspayed or neutered! I for one don't want to pay the $350.00 fine per litter and got my girls spayed!

416 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:52:52am

Speaking of breaking the law:

Scientists in stolen e-mail scandal hid climate data

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]


The University of East Anglia breached the Freedom of Information Act by refusing to comply with requests for data concerning claims by its scientists that man-made emissions were causing global warming.

The Information Commissioner’s Office decided that UEA failed in its duties under the Act but said that it could not prosecute those involved because the complaint was made too late, The Times has learnt. The ICO is now seeking to change the law to allow prosecutions if a complaint is made more than six months after a breach.

This puts the argument that they didn't hide anything and didn't break the law to rest, right?

417 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:54:03am

re: #415 Dragon_Lady

Um, you have unspayed females? Man here in LA we get finned if our cats are left unspayed or neutered! I for one don't want to pay the $350.00 fine per litter and got my girls spayed!

One, they're indoor cats. Two, we don't get fined for it (thankfully!) Three, I haven't exactly been able to afford the spaying procedure, though you can bet I would if I would get in trouble for it. And four, my wife had at one time a desire to breed her lovely black long-hair. We'll have to talk about it again, maybe after I get settled into the new fishbowl we'll go ahead and get them spayed.

418 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:54:08am

re: #404 lawhawk

I found the ACORN videos to be representative of the kinds of people I used to deal with from ACORN and WFP when I worked in the NYS legislature (used to deal with the NYC and Brooklyn offices, who would bus up people to Albany to press their issues). That they would push unethical and display a moral and ethical flexibility was not surprising to say the least.

The videos stand separate and distinct from the LA case, which should result in the book being thrown at O'Keefe, et al. They were preparing to tamper with the phone systems in some fashion, and the federal penalties are significant on that. Even if you agree that Landrieu's office was playing fast and loose with their intake of calls on health care (disabling them), the route O'Keefe was taking to show that the office was engaging in some kind of disingenuous activity was illegal and wouldn't have proven misconduct in any case.

I would not be surprised to find that at least some ACORN chapters are as you described; others may be more benign - the website for the La. ACORN - they really do not appear to do much of anything.

But the thing with Landrieu's office - whatever it was - was clearly out of bounds, as you say, and would not have proven anything!

I always appreciate your take on things -

419 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:55:19am

re: #416 RogueOne

Speaking of breaking the law:

Scientists in stolen e-mail scandal hid climate data

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

This puts the argument that they didn't hide anything and didn't break the law to rest, right?

It does for me. And while it doesn't invalidate AGW, it serves as a warning about transparency. Transparency may invite skeptics with odious behavior and time-wasting tactics, but that's a far preferable knot than the credibility you lose through lack of transparency. Arrogant idiots.

If you can't show your work, people will rightly assume that it must not be that good.

420 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:55:28am

re: #417 thedopefishlives

Is you black long hair a pure bred?

421 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:55:48am

I doubt too many people will donate to help out, or even care about these folks


[Link: online.wsj.com...]

422 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:56:37am

re: #404 lawhawk

have they ever falsified republican voter registrations? not sayin'...just sayin'...

423 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:56:40am

re: #420 Dragon_Lady

Is you black long hair a pure bred?

I think she may be; I can't exactly remember. My wife bought her some years ago, and the shop owner told her some about her pedigree or lack thereof.

424 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:57:13am

re: #410 Dragon_Lady

Esssentially. When I added Cat II (10 year old female) last March I eased her into interacting with Cat I (18 year old male). I luckily had enough rooms and doors that I could "split" the apartment. Cat I had the bedroom, bathroom with his usual litterbox. Cat II had the "den" (2nd bedroom used as TV room) with a temporary litterbox set up. The rest of the apartment (kitchen and living room) were neutral ground.

For a week I alternated leaving doors open while I went to work. In the morning I left the den door open so that Cat II could explore 3/4 of the place. At lunch I closed Cat II into the den and left the bedroom door open for Cat I to have access to the kitchen and food. (Both cats had a bowl of kibble and water in their "territory".) Once I was home in the evening I left both doors open since I was there to supervise any interactions.

There was some growling and hissing, but no fights. At this point they are not buddy-buddy like I used to have (I had Cat I and his brother for 17 years), but they get a long with relatively little friction. Though Cat II can get to be a bit of a bully when she wants food badly enough. But I definitely am glad I added the second cat since Cat I is acting much better now than he did between the loss of his brother and me adding a second cat back into the mix.

425 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:59:19am

Good morning folks. Word of advice...

If you have a significant other that likes to sing, and you get better scores on "Rock Band" when you attempt to sing the parts on expert mode than they do, don't flaunt it.

The couch is rather uncomfortable.

"C'mon, honey! You should be able to get 100% if I can!"

(I love that game!)

426 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:00:12am

re: #423 thedopefishlives

We can pay for a permit to breed, but its almost too much to bother with unless your breeding show cats. Sorry bout the typos, I have my arms full of 6 lbs of purring furr and she wont let me put her down long enough to type properly.

427 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:01:05am

re: #424 oaktree

Your cats are old geezers. Don't, yknow, take that the wrong way

428 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:01:49am

re: #426 Dragon_Lady

We can pay for a permit to breed, but its almost too much to bother with unless your breeding show cats. Sorry bout the typos, I have my arms full of 6 lbs of purring furr and she wont let me put her down long enough to type properly.

Yeah, up here, they're a bit more loose with animal regulations, even here in town. You're not required to register or spay/neuter or anything. My cats, by the way, adore the heat of my PC and like to sleep atop the tower, especially when I'm playing video games and really putting out the wattage.

429 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:01:54am

re: #425 MrSilverDragon

I'm hooked on guitar hero but I'm not allowed to buy a mic.

430 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:02:59am

Looks like SOTUS is a dead thread, or nearly so.

431 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:03:46am

re: #178 iceweasel

I don't hang out here for live reaction on the SOTU speech or anything similar. Made an exception for Obama's Cairo speech only because it was early am, like now, and not a whole thread.

2 reasons: I like to watch the speech (or live event), preferably in the 'real world' with political friends, not simultaneously keep up with a rolling thread, and 2) it gets too hyperpartisan and the signal to noise ratio is bad.
I've found that to be true generally on every blog, not just here. In past years before I regged I peeked in after the fact at the running commentary on a SOTU speech here, and didn't think it was for me.
Different strokes, etc.

I could have taken your advice you know! It was pretty off the charts for me. I was watching 2 live blogs @ the same time - LGF and another & it couldn't have been any more polarized that what I saw.

But I survived.

432 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:04:13am

re: #427 cliffster

Your cats are old geezers. Don't, yknow, take that the wrong way

Very true. That might be one reason they get along. Too lethargic to fight...

433 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:05:17am

re: #3 windsagio

haha, here, I'll put something.

Art that my autistic brother did.

I'm like mega-proud of him, he's actually (after 40 years) able to make a real living :)

Those wiggly curvy lines make my eyes boogaloo. In a good way.

434 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:05:59am

Ellie Light, meet Anthony Frascino. You two have a lot in common.

435 oldegeezr  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:06:29am

I’m surprised President Obama didn’t emphasize one of our greatest natural resources…

Prevent a cap on clean fuel: Mark J. Perry
If you had to capture the success of America's premium clean-burning fuel in one word, that word would be "technology."
From The Detroit News: [Link: detnews.com...]

I gotta say I’m with T. Boone Pickens on natural gas. We have more NG than the Saudi’s have oil!

436 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:07:09am

re: #432 oaktree

Very true. That might be one reason they get along. Too lethargic to fight...

Don't bet on it..

437 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:07:29am

re: #435 oldegeezr

I’m surprised President Obama didn’t emphasize one of our greatest natural resources… I gotta say I’m with T. Boone Pickens on natural gas. We have more NG than the Saudi’s have oil!

Yes, but I can't stand the taste of baked beans 3 days in a row.

/

438 filetandrelease  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:08:39am

One day a florist went to a barber for a haircut. After the cut, he asked about his bill, and the barber replied, 'I cannot accept money from you, I'm doing community service this week.

The florist was pleased and left the shop. When the barber went to open his shop the next morning, there was a 'thank you' card and a dozen roses waiting for him at his door.

Later, a cop comes in for a haircut, and when he tries to pay his bill, the barber again replied, 'I cannot accept money from you, I'm doing community service this week..' The cop was happy and left the shop. The next morning when the barber went to open up, there was a 'thank you' card and a dozen donuts waiting for him at his door.

Then a Congressman came in for a haircut, and when he went to pay his bill, the barber again replied, 'I cannot accept money from you. I'm doing community service this week.' The Congressman was very happy and left the shop.

The next morning, when the barber went to open up, there were a dozen Congressmen lined up waiting for a free haircut.

And that, my friends, illustrates the fundamental difference between the citizens of our country and the politicians who run it.

439 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:08:45am

re: #32 JasonA

You know, if I were to say something similar about, oh, Barry Goldwater or William F. Buckley, I would soon find myself with less karma than you.

I should actually read Zinn one of these fine days. I've only ever heard about him from people who love him or hate him.

440 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:10:11am

re: #427 cliffster

I have two 16 year olds and one 3 1/2 year old. The newest one is 16 and is the tiniest cat I've ever had at 6 lbs, I've had the other 16 year old since she was 3 months old, I rescued her before they could turn her over to a shelter, and we got our 3 1/2 year old from a shelter at 8 weeks old, shes a 12 lb Maine Coon mix. Pepper, our Maine Coon is with out a doubt the smartest cat I've ever been owned by. She sits, stays and has a whole host of behaviors that I've never seen in a cat before.

441 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:11:01am

re: #427 cliffster

I think the true terror for an older established cat is a kitten being introduced to the house.

My first cat, Puck, was taken to visit my brother for Thanksgiving. At the time he was living in an apartment with with his wife and their adopted feral cat, Byll. Byll, was a bit overweight, sociable, but not a lap cat. He was promptly terrorized for three days by an energetic and playful fuzzball.

After the nth sudden kitten ambush Byll decided to retaliate and Puck fled under the nearby ottoman. Byll settled in for a siege and was pawing under the ottoman from the edge. Meanwhile, Puck had gone out the other end of the ottoman. Byll's revenge was brought short by a kamikaze kitten attack on his butt from over the top of the ottoman.

The final straw was the human laughter, so she slunk from the room in embarrassment.

442 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:11:46am

re: #438 filetandrelease

LOL! Funny! Funny! Funny!

443 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:12:58am

re: #421 albusteve

I doubt too many people will donate to help out, or even care about these folks

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

That is just awful :-(

444 filetandrelease  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:13:02am

re: #442 Dragon_Lady

My Mom sent that to me, she is like 400 years old and still cracks me up.

445 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:13:07am

re: #440 Dragon_Lady

I have two 16 year olds and one 3 1/2 year old. The newest one is 16 and is the tiniest cat I've ever had at 6 lbs, I've had the other 16 year old since she was 3 months old, I rescued her before they could turn her over to a shelter, and we got our 3 1/2 year old from a shelter at 8 weeks old, shes a 12 lb Maine Coon mix. Pepper, our Maine Coon is with out a doubt the smartest cat I've ever been owned by. She sits, stays and has a whole host of behaviors that I've never seen in a cat before.

I want a Maine Coon in the worst sort of way, but the Roi would kill me if I brought home another cat. All of ours (5 right now) are adopted from abandoned litters, or they've just shown up starving. We'd love to find a good home for the newest one but adult cats are hard to place. Everybody wants a kitten.

446 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:14:53am

re: #438 filetandrelease

Props to your mom. She knows a good joke when she hears one!

447 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:14:55am

re: #441 oaktree

I'll bet that after Puck went home suddenly they were besieged by a lonely cat and had to get another one. Am I right?

448 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:16:33am

re: #127 ryannon

I suppose age has nothing to do with it, but if I really cared, I'd ask you yours.

There is no one old enough today to think of Picasso as a modern young whippersnapper, is there?

449 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:16:49am

re: #445 reine.de.tout

I want a Maine Coon in the worst sort of way, but the Roi would kill me if I brought home another cat. All of ours (5 right now) are adopted from abandoned litters, or they've just shown up starving. We'd love to find a good home for the newest one but adult cats are hard to place. Everybody wants a kitten.

Try finding an older person, most older people don't want to go through the trials of a kitten and older cats are easier to assimilate into an older persons home being less active.

450 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:19:04am

re: #404 lawhawk

Why do place any credibility in those videos?

451 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:19:18am

re: #146 iceweasel

Morning folks, for those in the appropriate time zones. Insert salutation of choice if you're not.

Dunno if this has been talked about yet, but the bugging of Landrieu's office doesn't appear to have been about wiretapping:
The Landrieu Phone Case: Not A Bugging After All?


As far as I can tell from various sources, O'Keefe probably wanted to recreate his fake ACORN sting videos: he was videotaping his pals as they pretended to answer phones in the office and say "Landrieu isn't available", as part of a new fake expose 'proving' that her constituents can't reach her on the phone.
I hope the little douchebag has the book thrown at him.

That's really weird.

452 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:19:50am

re: #445 reine.de.tout

I want a Maine Coon in the worst sort of way, but the Roi would kill me if I brought home another cat. All of ours (5 right now) are adopted from abandoned litters, or they've just shown up starving. We'd love to find a good home for the newest one but adult cats are hard to place. Everybody wants a kitten.

I love Maine Coon cats. So gorgeous! I really want one!

I have a general policy of adopting only adult cats, preferably from shelters, and especially shelters that kill cats after a wait period when they aren't adopted.
The kittens will always find a home, but the best and most loving cats I've adopted were adult cats from shelters.

I hate going to shelters though, because I always want to take every animal home. So I'll never have a Maine Coon cat or a Siamese or anything like that, even though I love them, because they get adopted or were specially bred and placed.

453 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:20:22am

re: #447 Dragon_Lady

No. Turns out my sister-in-law was allergic to cat dander. Their neighbor upstairs adopted Byll. My sister-in-law likes cats, just can't live with them. The "shed cats" are a nice compromise. She can snuggle a cat on occasion, but the house is dander free and livable for her. Plus my brother gets the effect of having outdoor cats to keep the local mouse and chipmunk population in check. And they're quite sociable to humans for outdoor cats. Leery of strangers, but otherwise like hanging around with folk. One of them will even come along if you take a walk around the pond or into the woods.

454 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:21:47am

re: #453 oaktree

Can't be right all the time. Oh well. ;-)

455 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:21:49am

re: #201 Cannadian Club Akbar

Except when Cheney told Patrick Leheay (sp?) to fuck off on the floor of the senate. Heh.

That was fairly alarming, but on the other hand, I guess vice presidents also have melt-downs.

456 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:24:10am

re: #226 RogueOne

Everyone keeps showing the Alito bit. I keep getting distracted by how bad Ginsberg looks. I wonder why she's decided not to retire.

Not everyone is Souter, I guess. I assumed she stayed put through the Bush years because she didn't like the thought of who he might have replaced her with. Don't know what might be happening now.

457 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:24:24am

re: #455 SanFranciscoZionist

That was fairly alarming, but on the other hand, I guess vice presidents also have melt-downs.

Contrary to other reports, Dick Cheney is human after all.

458 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:25:00am

re: #439 SanFranciscoZionist

I should actually read Zinn one of these fine days. I've only ever heard about him from people who love him or hate him.

Meh, he's not as good as the lovers claim nor as bad as the haters claim. Just another source no more biased than most.

If in the mood for a history book, I'd rather go grab a Barbara Tuchman work instead.

William

459 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:25:21am

re: #452 iceweasel

I love Maine Coon cats. So gorgeous! I really want one!

I have a general policy of adopting only adult cats, preferably from shelters, and especially shelters that kill cats after a wait period when they aren't adopted.
The kittens will always find a home, but the best and most loving cats I've adopted were adult cats from shelters.

I hate going to shelters though, because I always want to take every animal home. So I'll never have a Maine Coon cat or a Siamese or anything like that, even though I love them, because they get adopted or were specially bred and placed.

My mission at the shelter was to adopt a pair of littermates. I always wanted a Manx, and could not believe my luck when I saw one in a litter that hadn't been cleared to go yet. I got him and his prettiest brother the next day.

460 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:25:42am

re: #253 Rightwingconspirator

I woke up this am to a broken shower and short of coffee. Then I turn on the radio and I hear Chris Matthews
"For an hour and a half, I forgot he was Black" referring to President Obama.

Did I wake up in the twilight zone?

I'm getting worried about Chris Matthews.

461 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:26:56am

Earthlings, you are very small.

462 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:27:11am

re: #254 RogueOne

Oops:


Chris Matthews: 'I Forgot Obama Was Black For An Hour' (VIDEO)

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Which raises the question: does he think about it so much that this was worth commenting on? Has he been lying awake nights, thinking about the President's blackness?

463 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:27:17am

re: #452 iceweasel

I love Maine Coon cats. So gorgeous! I really want one!

I have a general policy of adopting only adult cats, preferably from shelters, and especially shelters that kill cats after a wait period when they aren't adopted.
The kittens will always find a home, but the best and most loving cats I've adopted were adult cats from shelters.

I hate going to shelters though, because I always want to take every animal home. So I'll never have a Maine Coon cat or a Siamese or anything like that, even though I love them, because they get adopted or were specially bred and placed.

There are no kill rescue shelters that will bring the animal to you if you truly want one. Try the Best Friends Animal Shelter in Utah, they have all kinds of pure breds up for adoption. They have a website, just google it and they pop up right away. I love those people! They'll go out of their way to both rescue and adopt out all kinds of animals! They never euthanize unless the animal is suffering and they can't cure it. I watch their show "Dog Town" every Friday night and I love them! Truly Angels Flying Low!

464 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:29:21am

Wow. Even Andrew Weaver thinks the IPCC needs to be shaken up

...and he's no stranger to climate hyperbole.

465 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:29:48am

Soros v Beck
George Soros warns gold is now the 'ultimate bubble'


Mr Soros said: "When interest rates are low we have conditions for asset bubbles to develop, and they are developing at the moment. The ultimate asset bubble is gold."

Soros is certainly a douchebag but the dude does understand economics. Glenn Beck, Alex Jones and the rest of the gold bugs not so much.

466 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:30:08am

re: #462 SanFranciscoZionist

Which raises the question: does he think about it so much that this was worth commenting on? Has he been lying awake nights, thinking about the President's blackness?

i figured he's just that clumsy. seems like every other week he's coughing up toenails...

467 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:30:39am

re: #460 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm getting worried about Chris Matthews.

Imagine a Bill O'Reilly saying "I had an excellent interview with Condi Rice today. She was very intelligent, articulate, informed, and gracious. I forgot she was black for an hour."

What would the headlines say in the morning?

468 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:31:10am

re: #466 Aceofwhat?

i figured he's just that clumsy. seems like every other week he's coughing up toenails...

Oh, I though it was hair balls he was coughing up...

469 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:32:25am

re: #452 iceweasel

Our new policy is we only take cats that adopt us. Quite a few wonder through our property and end up living in the barn or down the old ground hog hole. They have a 3 part hazing: they survive the inevitable encounter with the large racoon that lives around us (only the smart ones avoid big coony!); our big gray cat that established this policy doesn't kick it's ass and run it off; they pass a health screening and get neutered. Otherwise, if I catch them, I cage them and take them to the kill cent.., er I mean ASAP.

470 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:32:35am

re: #459 wrenchwench

My mission at the shelter was to adopt a pair of littermates. I always wanted a Manx, and could not believe my luck when I saw one in a litter that hadn't been cleared to go yet. I got him and his prettiest brother the next day.

Congrats! And good for you-- seriously, I've never yet volunteered at a shelter but it's on my list.
I'm sure they have a wonderful life with you, and that they enrich your life too. Pets rock!

471 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:32:36am

re: #467 NJDhockeyfan

Imagine a Bill O'Reilly saying "I had an excellent interview with Condi Rice today. She was very intelligent, articulate, informed, and gracious. I forgot she was black for an hour."

What would the headlines say in the morning?

Oooh, talk about a verbal nuke! Just the thought makes me wince!

472 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:34:01am

re: #317 oaktree

I've read a number of versions of the Arthurian meme. Including some of the more science fiction-y ones that bring one or more of the characters into the modern day.

And there's plenty of riffs done on it. T H White's take was traditional for the most part, but the upbringing of Arthur is the good stuff (Once and Future King). The Mary Stewart trilogy is good as well with the focus on Merlin. Marion Zimmer Bradley did the feminist riff with _Mists of Avalon_, and essentially converted the usual villaness of the story into a much more complex person. Lawhead's Pendragon Cycle centered more on a Roman/Christian set-up than a medieval one (arguably more accurate for the claimed time period.)

Even have a few books of Arthurian-centric short stories. Including a satire police procedural.

The Once And Future King is probably my absolute favorite. Parke Godwin did a really interesting novel about Guinevere after Arthur's death, which I highly recommend.

473 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:34:12am

re: #467 NJDhockeyfan

Imagine a Bill O'Reilly saying "I had an excellent interview with Condi Rice today. She was very intelligent, articulate, informed, and gracious. I forgot she was black for an hour."

What would the headlines say in the morning?

She's not.

She's Republican.

474 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:34:42am

re: #467 NJDhockeyfan

Imagine a Bill O'Reilly saying "I had an excellent interview with Condi Rice today. She was very intelligent, articulate, informed, and gracious. I forgot she was black for an hour."

What would the headlines say in the morning?

I agree that it is an embarrassing, stupid, condescending comment that belies an underlying racism. However, the moonbat blogs are all highlighting Mathews' stupid comments and condemning him for being a classless idiot. It would be nice if wingnut blogs would do the same with Rush or Beck.

475 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:34:42am

re: #471 Dragon_Lady

Oooh, talk about a verbal nuke! Just the thought makes me wince!

Okay
Chris Matthews forgot he was black. While he was talking up small business I forgot he is a Democrat.

We were both wrong to forget!

476 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:35:00am

re: #469 Jeff In Ohio

Part of my vet bills here go to pro bono neutering of strays done by said cat hospital. There's a few folk who set out humane traps and then bring them in. Trying to address the feral cat issue at one of the sources.

477 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:35:11am

re: #470 iceweasel

Congrats! And good for you-- seriously, I've never yet volunteered at a shelter but it's on my list.
I'm sure they have a wonderful life with you, and that they enrich your life too. Pets rock!

Speaking of volunteering, I'm going on the 27th of Feb to my orientation at out East Valley Animal Shelter to become a volunteer. I thought maybe I could help some poor unsociable kitties get new homes. I'm so excited!

478 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:36:06am

Howard Zinn has died at 87. The controversial historian pushed a left-wing agenda and was unrepentant for it.

Published in 1980 with little promotion and a first printing of 5,000, "A People's History" was — fittingly — a people's best-seller, attracting a wide audience through word of mouth and reaching 1 million sales in 2003. Although Zinn was writing for a general readership, his book was taught in high schools and colleges throughout the country, and numerous companion editions were published, including "Voices of a People's History," a volume for young people and a graphic novel

"I can't think of anyone who had such a powerful and benign influence," said the linguist and fellow activist Noam Chomsky, a close friend of Zinn's. "His historical work changed the way millions of people saw the past."

At a time when few politicians dared even call themselves liberal, "A People's History" told an openly left-wing story. Zinn charged Christopher Columbus and other explorers with genocide, picked apart presidents from Andrew Jackson to Franklin D. Roosevelt and celebrated workers, feminists and war resisters.

Even liberal historians were uneasy with Zinn. Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. once said: "I know he regards me as a dangerous reactionary. And I don't take him very seriously. He's a polemicist, not a historian."

In a 1998 interview with The Associated Press, Zinn acknowledged he was not trying to write an objective history, or a complete one. He called his book a response to traditional works, the first chapter — not the last — of a new kind of history.

479 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:36:09am

re: #357 Ben Hur

Why tamper with Landrieu's phones?


Jumping the shark.

Well, that's supremely stupid.

480 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:36:21am

re: #473 Ben Hur

She's not.

She's Republican.

Funny how that works. Heh.

481 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:36:38am

re: #474 Killgore Trout

The assumption is the the left media blogs etc take care of that. And vice versa. Nobody watches their own.

482 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:37:37am

re: #463 Dragon_Lady

There are no kill rescue shelters that will bring the animal to you if you truly want one.

I just wish there weren't so many shelters around that still wind up putting animals down when they don't get adopted.

It's sad, and it's always the adult animals that get it, not the kittens or puppies (because they get adopted) and some of the most loving cats and dogs I've known were adults from shelters.

The last adult cat I adopted was from a kill shelter, and his family had left him when they moved. They had kids too, but supposedly their new space wouldn't let them have a pet.
He was the sweetest and most gentle cat you could imagine, really great with kids.

483 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:38:32am

Speaking of crazy hypocrisy regarding AGW or environmental issues in general (ok, we weren't speaking of it, but i like it), crops that could use less nitrogen would be awesome, right? less fertilizer, less runoff...

How about crops that could use less water AND less nitrogen? Mannah!

Oh, wait, no one wants them.

Anti-science fools. Funny how most of the countries rejecting this science are the same that make the most noise about AGW.

484 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:39:20am

re: #472 SanFranciscoZionist

The Once And Future King is probably my absolute favorite. Parke Godwin did a really interesting novel about Guinevere after Arthur's death, which I highly recommend.

The current Arthurian role-playing group I am currently embroiled with is doing a long campaign. Started before Arthur was born, and will run multi-generational (in terms of characters). The oldest of the three brothers I handle has already died (poisoned). The second eldest was at one time a bodyguard of Ygraine in Cornwall. The Game Master has done some interesting things with this as Ygraine has turned up a few times after her last husband's death, and also made a few requests of my character that I expect to have repercussions later in the campaign. (Such as asking him to continue to try to find out what happened to her kidnapped son, and to aid him if he is ever found.)

485 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:40:43am

re: #403 abolitionist

Ancient Egyptians spoiled them. /

When I was a college freshman, the woman up the hall had a sort of African-heritage theme going in her room, with textiles and drums and Egyptian bronzes.

Another woman had a cat, who had free run of the hall.

When the cat found the African theme room, she naturally assumed it was a temple. For her. She would be found planted in the middle of the kente-print bedspread, in the same pose as the statue of Bast on the shelf above her.

486 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:41:15am

re: #483 Aceofwhat?

Yep. It's funny to me to think that twelve years ago I considered the Democrats as the anti-science party, given that they had members speaking out against genetically-engineered anything, used scare tactics to oppose green energy projects and research, and claimed that video games made you kill people.

I know that there were anti-science things at work on the GOP side of things at that time too, but they weren't as prevlant, to me, as the Democrat's version.

Then the GOP just picked up that anti-science banner and shouted "Chaaaaarge!" and showed the Dems how you really go anti-science.

487 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:41:33am

re: #482 iceweasel

I just wish there weren't so many shelters around that still wind up putting animals down when they don't get adopted.

It's sad, and it's always the adult animals that get it, not the kittens or puppies (because they get adopted) and some of the most loving cats and dogs I've known were adults from shelters.

The last adult cat I adopted was from a kill shelter, and his family had left him when they moved. They had kids too, but supposedly their new space wouldn't let them have a pet.
He was the sweetest and most gentle cat you could imagine, really great with kids.

Yeah, I know. It hurts but unfortunately so many people just think their kitty or doggie will be okay and they just leave it. If they only knew what was going to happen to their pet when they abandon it maybe there would be less abandon animals in shelters. People can be so stupid sometimes.

488 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:42:26am

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

I love it! So typically cat!

489 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:43:08am

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

I have two fourteen pound cats that aren't in the least bit fat. They're pure muscle. One of them is a totally pretty-boy cat who is also the deadly hunter. The other one is a black one who is rock-stupid and adorable.

Both of them are hyperaffectionate and ridiculous in the extreme.

490 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:43:30am

re: #484 oaktree

The current Arthurian role-playing group I am currently embroiled with is doing a long campaign. Started before Arthur was born, and will run multi-generational (in terms of characters). The oldest of the three brothers I handle has already died (poisoned). The second eldest was at one time a bodyguard of Ygraine in Cornwall. The Game Master has done some interesting things with this as Ygraine has turned up a few times after her last husband's death, and also made a few requests of my character that I expect to have repercussions later in the campaign. (Such as asking him to continue to try to find out what happened to her kidnapped son, and to aid him if he is ever found.)

Are you using Pendragon? And, of course, the Great Pendragon Campaign?

William

491 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:43:32am

re: #486 Obdicut

Yep. It's funny to me to think that twelve years ago I considered the Democrats as the anti-science party, given that they had members speaking out against genetically-engineered anything, used scare tactics to oppose green energy projects and research, and claimed that video games made you kill people.

I know that there were anti-science things at work on the GOP side of things at that time too, but they weren't as prevlant, to me, as the Democrat's version.

Then the GOP just picked up that anti-science banner and shouted "Chaaarge!" and showed the Dems how you really go anti-science.

Exactly. Fighting scientific illiteracy is a two-front war.

492 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:44:37am

re: #467 NJDhockeyfan

Imagine a Bill O'Reilly saying "I had an excellent interview with Condi Rice today. She was very intelligent, articulate, informed, and gracious. I forgot she was black for an hour."

What would the headlines say in the morning?

I don't know, but I know what his defenders here would say.

/And Condi would decapitate him, and then play a sonata, so I think he'd better not try it.

493 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:45:06am

re: #474 Killgore Trout

I agree that it is an embarrassing, stupid, condescending comment that belies an underlying racism. However, the moonbat blogs are all highlighting Mathews' stupid comments and condemning him for being a classless idiot. It would be nice if wingnut blogs would do the same with Rush or Beck.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Right.

494 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:45:55am

re: #492 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know, but I know what his defenders here would say.

/And Condi would decapitate him, and then play a sonata, so I think he'd better not try it.

Who would defend a comment like that?

495 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:47:10am

re: #494 NJDhockeyfan

Who would defend a comment like that?

Someone who's been drinking too much kool-aid.

496 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:48:05am

re: #489 Obdicut

I have two fourteen pound cats that aren't in the least bit fat. They're pure muscle. One of them is a totally pretty-boy cat who is also the deadly hunter. The other one is a black one who is rock-stupid and adorable.

Both of them are hyperaffectionate and ridiculous in the extreme.

We had a mother and son, the mom (Sage) as a tiny (7 lbs) little sweetheart who never meet a person she didn't love and the son (Bear) was a big bruiser (18 lbs) who was a touch me not who thought he owned our apartment building. He was in everyone else's apartment except ours. We called him the "Building Mayor". I still miss both of them.

497 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:48:27am

re: #494 NJDhockeyfan

Who would defend a comment like that?

I don't know, but no matter how stupid the Rush comments, we seem to find a few folks to explain that he was misunderstood and it was OK.

498 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:49:04am

re: #493 Ben Hur

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Right.

I see a lot of comments defending Matthews over there. Sheesh!

499 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:49:10am

Time for breakfast. BBS.

500 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:49:35am

re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist

When I was a college freshman, the woman up the hall had a sort of African-heritage theme going in her room, with textiles and drums and Egyptian bronzes.

Another woman had a cat, who had free run of the hall.

When the cat found the African theme room, she naturally assumed it was a temple. For her. She would be found planted in the middle of the kente-print bedspread, in the same pose as the statue of Bast on the shelf above her.

There are plenty of dogs that look nothing like their wolf ancestors.

But almost all cats seem to have the appearance and behavior of their larger wild cousins. It's one of the things I find so fascinating about cats.

501 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:49:50am

re: #498 NJDhockeyfan

I see a lot of comments defending Matthews over there. Sheesh!

Nobody ever actually checks.

502 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:50:14am

re: #496 Dragon_Lady

Yeah. Braggi-- the pretty-boy-deadly-hunter, is also the man in charge. He patrols the apartment every day, sniffing everything. He swipes at you as you go by so that you pick him up so he can face-snuggle.

503 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:50:58am

re: #498 NJDhockeyfan

I see a lot of comments defending Matthews over there. Sheesh!

What's to say? It was a purely stupid comment, with bad history behind it.

504 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:52:05am

re: #500 reine.de.tout

There are plenty of dogs that look nothing like their wolf ancestors.

But almost all cats seem to have the appearance and behavior of their larger wild cousins. It's one of the things I find so fascinating about cats.

I find watching shows about big cats interesting for that reason. They act so much like house cats.

505 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:52:09am

re: #498 NJDhockeyfan

I see a lot of comments defending Matthews over there. Sheesh!

And I saw a lot of excuses for Harry Reid too. The left seems a little too obsessed with race. I don't judge anyone based on his/her race. I judge character or lack of.

506 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:54:41am

re: #498 NJDhockeyfan

The problem with the defense of saying that he was expressing a post-racial moment is that it appears he came back to earth again. What, he forgot he was black, but remembered after the speech?

When you're attempting to speak about race in America, you better bring your A game-- it's so easy to miscommunicate. Matthew brought his fail game.

507 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:55:33am

re: #497 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know, but no matter how stupid the Rush comments, we seem to find a few folks to explain that he was misunderstood and it was OK.

Let's call a spade a spade here. Matthews is a good example of the snide smart-ass intellectual racism of the left.

508 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:55:38am

re: #493 Ben Hur

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Right.

The article is point out he's an idiot as do the majority of the comments. scroll past the first few comments.

509 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:55:49am

re: #505 generalsparky

And I saw a lot of excuses for Harry Reid too. The left seems a little too obsessed with race. I don't judge anyone based on his/her race. I judge character or lack of.

I can actually excuse Reid more easily. He was talking privately about the viability of a candidate. I'm sure a lot of really ugly stuff gets said under those circumstances, let alone 'light-skinned'.

This is just letting out sophomoric ideas about how it's so cool to have a black friend who you, you know, just think of as a friend...in a public forum. Stupid and uncalled for. And I guess a reminder that this kind of thing never stops, even after you're president.

510 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:56:07am

re: #503 SanFranciscoZionist

What's to say? It was a purely stupid comment, with bad history behind it.

Did you click over to HuffPo?

Annemariefay

I think it's fine that Matthews said that. We know what he meant, and it was actually a positive thing to say. What he meant was that there was, for an hour, no sense that we were watching our "first Black President" but just our wonderful, intelligent, grown up competent President.

......

boston2008

Chris Matthews A SUPER OBAMA SUPPORTER, was TRYING to make a point (which some, took the wrong way) it is a FACT: that a BIG PERCENTAGE of the country, still has a problem with a BLACK PRESIDENT. Chris was trying to make the case that MOST OF US... have gotten past that, him being a "black president". Those who took it the wrong way, need to know that CHRIS MATTHEWS IS THE BIGGEST OBAMA SUPPORTER ON TV... Chris was for Obama before Obama was for Obama.

...

lvogt

What's wrong with Matthews saying that Obama is getting him and a lot of other people past thinking about race? I think he was feeling good about a very positive development in what has been an historically racist country.

511 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:57:16am

re: #510 NJDhockeyfan

Oy. All these people sound like they're seventeen.

512 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:57:17am

This person actually has a good point:

hjo4
I wonder why he made the comment at all if he didn't have race on his mind.

513 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:57:19am

re: #504 SanFranciscoZionist

I find watching shows about big cats interesting for that reason. They act so much like house cats.

Considering my cat thinks she's a Siberian Tiger (and tries to rule the house as such, forgetting how much bigger I am than she is) I'm right there with you. Nothing more amazing than watching a wild animal doing the same thing that the family pet (or omnipotent matriarch, in her mind, I have no doubt) does on a daily basis.

514 soap_man  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:57:58am

re: #495 MrSilverDragon

Someone who's been drinking too much kool-aid.

You will always find people who defend folks who say stupid shit. Why? Because they are fans, or believe the person does a good job for their "cause." They are always being misunderstood, or are the victim of the political correctness police. That will never, ever change.

Oh, and morning everyone.

515 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:58:30am

re: #507 Spare O'Lake

Let's call a spade a spade here. Matthews is a good example of the snide smart-ass intellectual racism of the left.

Ah, yes. Broad brush much?

516 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:58:52am

I think it's worse than people are making it.

The Biden comment essentially said he wasn't one of 'those other type' of Black people.

Henry Gates got pissed because he assumed he was mistaken for 'those other type' of black people.

Reid gets a pass because he was basically saying the same thing.

So was Chris Matthews.

I've also noticed in the past that when radio talk show hosts -more then 1 - take a call from black callers that agree with them, they inevitably say, "Thank you, that was very articulate." Most of the time, actually.

517 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:00:07am

re: #508 Killgore Trout

The article is point out he's an idiot as do the majority of the comments. scroll past the first few comments.

Did.

518 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:01:01am

re: #513 MrSilverDragon

Considering my cat thinks she's a Siberian Tiger (and tries to rule the house as such, forgetting how much bigger I am than she is) I'm right there with you. Nothing more amazing than watching a wild animal doing the same thing that the family pet (or omnipotent matriarch, in her mind, I have no doubt) does on a daily basis.

Long time ago I had a norwegian forest cat, best pet i've ever had. Gorgeous, just needed a little hello from time to time and otherwise wanted to sit somewhere high and watch over us.

Occasionally a bat would find its way into the house - i loved having them outside (for insect control) but those little things can worm their way into any crevice, like through our attic.

Every single time a bat got in, i'd chase it into a room, put the cat in with it, and sit still and watch. It was never 60 seconds before the bat flew low enough to encounter furred lightning. Then the cat would sniff it and paw it around, at which point (with a glove) i'd pick it up and gently put it back outside.

Bats may be fast, but they never stood a chance.

519 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:01:16am

re: #487 Dragon_Lady

Wait until the pet pig meme runs its course...

520 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:01:40am

re: #515 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, yes. Broad brush much?

No... fact. If Matthews would stop being the snide smart-ass intellectual racist once in a while, you could have a point. The proof is not in whether you think he is, the proof is not in whether you say that's a broad brush being used, the proof is in measuring up rhetoric from Matthews and comparing it to other suspected snide smart-ass intellectual racist and seeing who they match up.

521 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:02:20am

re: #450 Obdicut

Because it does jibe with my interaction with ACORN employees from when I worked for the NYS legislature - they do engage in conduct that shows moral and ethical flexibility.

And where exactly has it been proven that the videos are bogus or don't reflect the inane conduct of the employees on those videos?

522 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:03:37am

re: #512 NJDhockeyfan

And if the huffers think Matthews is so post-racial, then why don't they explain why Matthews himself admitted, in his own fucking words, that he was only post-racial for 1 1/2 hours?
This delusional lib doublespeak is despicable.

523 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:03:42am

re: #490 wlewisiii

Yes. Lots of stuff bog-standard to the book (NTTAWWT), but the GM is also doing good things with taking riffs off into minor areas based on the actions of the characters. And I'm the only player who is familiar at all with the "historical" events beyond the generic bits one picks up from seeing movies such as _Excalibur_.

524 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:03:43am

re: #521 lawhawk

Because it does jibe with my interaction with ACORN employees from when I worked for the NYS legislature - they do engage in conduct that shows moral and ethical flexibility.

And where exactly has it been proven that the videos are bogus or don't reflect the inane conduct of the employees on those videos?

I asked the same thing.

525 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:03:48am

re: #520 Walter L. Newton

No... fact. If Matthews would stop being the snide smart-ass intellectual racist once in a while, you could have a point. The proof is not in whether you think he is, the proof is not in whether you say that's a broad brush being used, the proof is in measuring up rhetoric from Matthews and comparing it to other suspected snide smart-ass intellectual racist and seeing who they match up.

I'm not defending Matthews.

But point taken. If you say it, it must be objectively true.

526 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:04:34am

re: #513 MrSilverDragon

Considering my cat thinks she's a Siberian Tiger (and tries to rule the house as such, forgetting how much bigger I am than she is) I'm right there with you. Nothing more amazing than watching a wild animal doing the same thing that the family pet (or omnipotent matriarch, in her mind, I have no doubt) does on a daily basis.

Oh yeah, Pepper tries to rule our household, but I won't let her. We go head to head about it constantly. I'm bigger! I most certainly would not try any of that with say a lion or tiger! I like my hand and feet right were they are, thank you! Bad enough those razorblades we call claws are capable of opening up my skin let alone take off a limb!

527 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:04:35am

re: #522 Spare O'Lake

And if the huffers think Matthews is so post-racial, then why don't they explain why Matthews himself admitted, in his own fucking words, that he was only post-racial for 1 1/2 hours?
This delusional lib doublespeak is despicable.

And if you watch the vid, Mathews stumbles a tad afterwards.

Most probably because of the producers screaming in his earpiece to take it back.

528 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:05:05am

From pimphouse to his parents house

What a big come-down for high-flying ace investigative reporter James O'Keefe: As a condition of his release from a metro New Orleans jail, the 25-year-old O'Keefe has been ordered by a federal judge to reside with his parents in New Jersey.

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

529 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:05:20am

re: #509 SanFranciscoZionist

I can actually excuse Reid more easily. He was talking privately about the viability of a candidate. I'm sure a lot of really ugly stuff gets said under those circumstances, let alone 'light-skinned'.

This is just letting out sophomoric ideas about how it's so cool to have a black friend who you, you know, just think of as a friend...in a public forum. Stupid and uncalled for. And I guess a reminder that this kind of thing never stops, even after you're president.

It wasn't the first time Harry Reid had let his distaste for black folks be known. He also has made remarks about Justice Thomas.

I guess I just don't understand how we can get past judging people based on skin color if we are doing it even in a supposedly benign way. My children are reared to be color blind and the only racism my oldest has ever encountered was against him which I hope he remembers if he is ever tempted to make racist remarks.

530 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:05:32am

re: #525 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not defending Matthews.

But point taken. If you say it, it must be objectively true.

Up ding. Thank you for your support.

531 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:06:02am

re: #528 Stanley Sea

From pimphouse to his parents house

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

maybe they'll teach him how to wear grown-up clothes.

...which makes me wonder how he gets a job in the future. who the hell is going to hire this nimrod?

532 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:06:10am

re: #528 Stanley Sea

From pimphouse to his parents house

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

OMG.

LOL!

That's priceless.

533 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:06:40am

re: #521 lawhawk

Okay. So you believe videos that were altered by people who are now charged with a felony against the federal government, because you feel that ACORN employees are the kind of people who would do what they did in the videos, based on personal experience.

And where exactly has it been proven that the videos are bogus or don't reflect the inane conduct of the employees on those videos?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Do you have another reason to explain why the transcripts don't match the videos?

534 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:07:25am

re: #531 Aceofwhat?

Actually, expect him to try and become the Michael Moore of the right. Moore has done quite well for himself in spinning political yarns and spinning facts and playing fast and loose with historical events to push his political agenda.

That's the direction I see O'Keefe heading in.

535 ryannon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:08:17am

re: #390 reine.de.tout

I would give my right arm to understand cat psychology.

We have a new cat, well, a cat that showed up last summer looking like death warmed over, who has made a miraculous recovery - anyhoo - the other cats and this cat do this growling-staring-walking really slow and close to the ground- thing when this cat is near. I'm sure he is giving off some sort of signals to them, but I cannot figure out what they are. There have been no fights with injuries, just all this growling and posturing - I would love to know what it all means.

He's a registered Democrat?

536 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:08:47am

re: #518 Aceofwhat?

Long time ago I had a norwegian forest cat, best pet i've ever had. Gorgeous, just needed a little hello from time to time and otherwise wanted to sit somewhere high and watch over us.

Occasionally a bat would find its way into the house - i loved having them outside (for insect control) but those little things can worm their way into any crevice, like through our attic.

Every single time a bat got in, i'd chase it into a room, put the cat in with it, and sit still and watch. It was never 60 seconds before the bat flew low enough to encounter furred lightning. Then the cat would sniff it and paw it around, at which point (with a glove) i'd pick it up and gently put it back outside.

Bats may be fast, but they never stood a chance.

Hah! You just reminded me of the time a bat happened to make its way into my house, and manage to fly into my room. I had the ceiling fan on, causing the bat to constantly orbit around it my ceiling. The cat was on my bed, jumping up in the air to catch the bat every time it flew over. I was laughing for a solid 10 minutes watching this sequence.

She never caught it, as I was able to chase the bat out with a towel once I regained my composure, but given her commitment to the cause, she eventually would have, no question.

537 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:09:01am

re: #531 Aceofwhat?

maybe they'll teach him how to wear grown-up clothes.

...which makes me wonder how he gets a job in the future. who the hell is going to hire this nimrod?

Probably another wingnut think tank.

538 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:09:18am

re: #534 lawhawk

How many times has Moore been arrested for a felony?

539 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:09:26am

re: #521 lawhawk

Because it does jibe with my interaction with ACORN employees from when I worked for the NYS legislature - they do engage in conduct that shows moral and ethical flexibility.

And where exactly has it been proven that the videos are bogus or don't reflect the inane conduct of the employees on those videos?

Equally remarkable is the "moral and ethical flexibility" of their lib apologists, who seem quite prepared to tie themselves up in knots to protect Obama from the fallout.

540 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:09:32am

re: #532 Ben Hur

OMG.

LOL!

That's priceless.

They're making him live in Jersey. That has to qualify as cruel and unusual.

541 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:09:32am

re: #534 lawhawk

Actually, expect him to try and become the Michael Moore of the right. Moore has done quite well for himself in spinning political yarns and spinning facts and playing fast and loose with historical events to push his political agenda.

That's the direction I see O'Keefe heading in.

Book deal.

542 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:10:01am

re: #529 generalsparky

It wasn't the first time Harry Reid had let his distaste for black folks be known. He also has made remarks about Justice Thomas.

I guess I just don't understand how we can get past judging people based on skin color if we are doing it even in a supposedly benign way. My children are reared to be color blind and the only racism my oldest has ever encountered was against him which I hope he remembers if he is ever tempted to make racist remarks.

Not surprisingly, no one is playing up the Mormon angle.

Mormon racism was a big issue used to try to take out Mitt Romney.

543 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:10:29am

re: #540 RogueOne

They're making him live in Jersey. That has to qualify as cruel and unusual.

Hey now!

544 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:10:51am

re: #533 Obdicut

Because the videos were edited to fit in a time frame that gets to the highlights - and/or because it wasn't done competently?

I understand your reluctance to accept that I have personal interactions with the group that corroborates the videos showing inappropriate conduct by ACORN employees because I'm some anonymous blogger, but I know what I've seen and those videos appear to show ACORN employees engaging in inappropriate behavior.

545 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:10:54am

re: #541 SanFranciscoZionist

Book deal.

Good one!

546 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:11:39am

What is this man talking about. Who wrote that State of the Union Speech? Who vetted the damn thing? Who checked it for the "stupid factor?"

From the speech... (Jan. 27th, 2010)...

Because of the steps we took, there are about two million Americans working right now who would otherwise be unemployed. 200,000 work in construction and clean energy. 300,000 are teachers and other education workers. Tens of thousands are cops, firefighters, correctional officers, and first responders. And we are on track to add another one and a half million jobs to this total by the end of the year.

From Huffington Post... Jan. 11th, 2010...

Gov. Bill Ritter has proposed a $260 million cut in funding for kindergarten through 12th-grade schools. He also wants to raise $312 million by charging sales tax on candy and soda and by eliminating or suspending a dozen tax breaks.

[snip]

Senate President Brandon Shaffer, D-Longmont, said lawmakers could start by voting to rescind $110 million that they had set aside for schools. Lawmakers agreed last year to include the money for schools in the budget – but hold on to it to see how the economy, and state revenues fared after they adjourned.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

And this is not just happening in Colorado. Outright lies on the part of our President.

547 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:13:18am

re: #538 Obdicut

Moore hasn't, but that doesn't mean that O'Keefe can't go that same route, does it?

548 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:14:20am

re: #533 Obdicut

Okay. So you believe videos that were altered by people who are now charged with a felony against the federal government, because you feel that ACORN employees are the kind of people who would do what they did in the videos, based on personal experience.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Do you have another reason to explain why the transcripts don't match the videos?

Obdi - what lawhawk has said indicates that he has more than a feeling; he has actual personal experience with ACORN that has led him to his conclusions.

549 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:14:38am

re: #542 Ben Hur

Not surprisingly, no one is playing up the Mormon angle.

Mormon racism was a big issue used to try to take out Mitt Romney.

I had totally forgotten about that.

550 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:16:02am

re: #547 lawhawk

Moore hasn't, but that doesn't mean that O'Keefe can't go that same route, does it?

No, it doesn't. Despite his shameful, criminal and childish behavior, I'm sure he will be taken care of by people who care far more for partisan point-scoring and knee-jerk ideology than for truth or law-abiding.

551 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:16:52am

And let's return to this part of Obama's speech...

What is this man talking about. Who wrote that State of the Union Speech? Who vetted the damn thing? Who checked it for the "stupid factor?"

From the speech... (Jan. 27th, 2010)...

Because of the steps we took, there are about two million Americans working right now who would otherwise be unemployed. 200,000 work in construction and clean energy. 300,000 are teachers and other education workers. Tens of thousands are cops, firefighters, correctional officers, and first responders. And we are on track to add another one and a half million jobs to this total by the end of the year.

Let's just take a few links from the top of a Google search...

[Link: blogs.desmoinesregister.com...]

[Link: wcco.com...]

[Link: www.sfexaminer.com...]

Here... have a little fun with you own Google search...

[Link: www.google.com...]

Saving jobs my ass.

552 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:17:20am

re: #548 reine.de.tout

Obdi - what lawhawk has said indicates that he has more than a feeling; he has actual personal experience with ACORN that has led him to his conclusions.

Personal experience still doesn't add up to more than 'I'd believe it'. That doesn't overcome problems with whether the 'evidence' was doctored.

You can believe that ACORN staff would do just such a thing. But the proof is scanty at this point.

553 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:19:35am

Wow, this is just, I don't know what.

Guy lies on the floor of the subway car, hugging and kissing his pet chicken.

554 Buck  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:20:17am

re: #533 Obdicut


Do you have another reason to explain why the transcripts don't match the videos?

Sometimes the audio is removed from the videos because of two person consent laws. Sometimes they are just edited for time. However no one has shown that the transcripts change what the ACORN employee actually said versus the video.

For example, the woman saying on video that they could lie on their tax form is not shown on the transcript to be against lying on a tax form.

555 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:20:20am

re: #536 MrSilverDragon

Ever had one of your furr balls bring you a "present"? Our building mayor used to bring home possums (yes we have them in the city too) and leave them on the doorstep. Once he even brought a live baby into the apartment! Took us hours to get it out! And when I was growing up my Siamese (Missy) would bring home full sized Jack Rabbits, we had a field at the end our block. We would bury them in the yard and the next day she would have it back on our doorstep. Each time it took us almost three weeks to get rid each one of the things! Bleugh! Dead rabbits stink! I guess she really loved those darn things.

556 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:21:00am

re: #552 SanFranciscoZionist

Personal experience still doesn't add up to more than 'I'd believe it'. That doesn't overcome problems with whether the 'evidence' was doctored.

You can believe that ACORN staff would do just such a thing. But the proof is scanty at this point.

The proof in the form of those videos may be scanty at this point; but lawhawk has stated several times that he has had personal experience which, in my opinion, cannot be dismissed as a mere "feeling".

Someone did that to me one night, re: Katrina, as I explained my own personal experiences, a person told me I WAS WRONG. How the hell can what I saw and did and lived be WRONG? It simply is what it is.

557 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:21:03am

re: #546 Walter L. Newton

From the speech... (Jan. 27th, 2010)...
Because of the steps we took, there are about two million Americans working right now who would otherwise be unemployed. 200,000 work in construction and clean energy. 300,000 are teachers and other education workers. Tens of thousands are cops, firefighters, correctional officers, and first responders. And we are on track to add another one and a half million jobs to this total by the end of the year.

Bullshit

Subtract all the jobs vanished by O's statements like "≈we may not ever recover."

And his percieved anti-business attitude

the total goes way negative

I cannot stand his smug self worship

Now I will stop

558 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:21:03am

re: #553 Alouette

Wow, this is just, I don't know what.

Guy lies on the floor of the subway car, hugging and kissing his pet chicken.

At least he wasn't choking his chicken on the subway.

559 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:21:11am

re: #553 Alouette

Wow, this is just, I don't know what.

Guy lies on the floor of the subway car, hugging and kissing his pet chicken.


[Video]

The word that comes to mind is "disgusting"!

560 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:21:47am

re: #557 Ojoe

i don't for a second believe that you will stop//

561 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:22:42am
562 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:24:17am

re: #531 Aceofwhat?

maybe they'll teach him how to wear grown-up clothes.

...which makes me wonder how he gets a job in the future. who the hell is going to hire this nimrod?


The question is not who would hire him, it's will he get fired?

563 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:24:40am

Oooh that was a fast delete! Must be a record!

564 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:24:43am

re: #554 Buck

Sometimes the audio is removed from the videos because of two person consent laws. Sometimes they are just edited for time. However no one has shown that the transcripts change what the ACORN employee actually said versus the video.

For example, the woman saying on video that they could lie on their tax form is not shown on the transcript to be against lying on a tax form.

1. 'Two person consent laws' apply to secretly and illegally taping a conversation?

2. 'Edited for time'? This is their big scoop showing that ACORN helps pimps import little girls from Latin America and they had to 'edit for time'.

3. We don't have the full raw tapes, because they won't release them. Period. Why won't they allow a third party to examine their 'evidence'?

565 badger1970  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:24:50am

re: #553 Alouette

Gonzo?

566 Kragar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:24:56am

My reasoning on why Obama is a political coward.

Bill Clinton established the "Don't ask, don't tell policy" in 1993 thru an Executive order. If Obama really wanted to end it, all he would have to do is draft another executive order repealing it. Instead, he hands it off to Congress and claims thats the best he can do.

567 Ojoe  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:25:29am
568 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:25:48am

re: #563 Dragon_Lady

Oooh that was a fast delete! Must be a record!

i know, right? i look away for a second and when i look back all i see are the wisps of smoke and a burn mark.

569 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:26:20am

re: #568 Aceofwhat?

i know, right? i look away for a second and when i look back all i see are the wisps of smoke and a burn mark.

Poof!

570 Kragar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:26:31am

re: #567 Ojoe

Norwegian forest cat (Skogkat). The Cat of the Vikings.

BBL

It comes from the land of ice and snow?

571 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:26:34am

re: #556 reine.de.tout

The proof in the form of those videos may be scanty at this point; but lawhawk has stated several times that he has had personal experience which, in my opinion, cannot be dismissed as a mere "feeling".

Someone did that to me one night, re: Katrina, as I explained my own personal experiences, a person told me I WAS WRONG. How the hell can what I saw and did and lived be WRONG? It simply is what it is.

I don't doubt lawhawk's personal experiences, but 'George has proven himself to be a scumbag in dealings with me' will not hold up in court as 'evidence of George embezzling funds'. It's still just "I wouldn't be surprised if they did".

Frankly, neither would I, but proof is important.

572 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:26:46am

re: #553 Alouette

Local 6 uptown.

My train.

573 Stonemason  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:26:55am

re: #563 Dragon_Lady

yeah it was, I plum forgot about not quoting the offending post.

ooops.

574 ryannon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:26:59am

re: #553 Alouette

Wow, this is just, I don't know what.

Guy lies on the floor of the subway car, hugging and kissing his pet chicken.


[Video]

Hey, it's New York City.

At least he's not choking it.

575 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:27:03am

re: #558 NJDhockeyfan

At least he wasn't choking his chicken on the subway.

Maybe he was, but the video was edited.

576 Kragar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:27:05am

re: #569 Dragon_Lady

Poof!

KEYSER SOZE!

577 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:28:05am

re: #544 lawhawk

Your personal experience is not enough to extrapolate from, sorry. Even if I knew you and trusted you.

re: #548 reine.de.tout

I don't trust actual personal experiences very much. I know how fallible I am personally, and I know statistics.

The concerted efforts to attack ACORN have made me very leery of accepting any attacks on ACORN at face value.

578 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:28:11am

re: #567 Ojoe

Yup, fore runners of the Maine Coon and the Persian cats. Also the biggest domestic breed and absolutely gorgeous!

579 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:29:18am

re: #573 Stonemason

yeah it was, I plum forgot about not quoting the offending post.

ooops.

No worries on my part, we all do boo boos from time to time.

580 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:29:52am

re: #570 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It comes from the land of ice and snow?

From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow

581 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:30:11am

re: #577 Obdicut

No problem.

582 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:30:44am

re: #570 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It comes from the land of ice and snow?

Yeah, the Vikings kept them because they're exceptional hunters of rhodents.

583 Buck  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:30:56am

re: #564 SanFranciscoZionist

1. 'Two person consent laws' apply to secretly and illegally taping a conversation?

Yes.
So removing the audio, and doing commentary over the video removes that issue, but makes the video "manipulated and edited".

If the person being recorded would consent to the recording, the tape can be released.



2. 'Edited for time'? This is their big scoop showing that ACORN helps pimps import little girls from Latin America and they had to 'edit for time'.

They are in the interview with the acorn employees for an hour or more. No one will play the hour long video on the air. So they edit out the irrelevant stuff.


3. We don't have the full raw tapes, because they won't release them. Period. Why won't they allow a third party to examine their 'evidence'?

FALSE. We don't have the full raw tapes because of the Two person consent laws. If the ACORN employee would consent, they would release the full tapes.

584 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:31:28am

re: #571 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't doubt lawhawk's personal experiences, but 'George has proven himself to be a scumbag in dealings with me' will not hold up in court as 'evidence of George embezzling funds'. It's still just "I wouldn't be surprised if they did".

Frankly, neither would I, but proof is important.

We can believe things because we believe the person that tells us despite that not being enough to stand up in court...I believe lawhawk because of what i have seen from him lo these many years...

585 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:31:35am

Fevers back, gonna go lay down. BBL. Keep smiling everyone!

586 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:31:39am

re: #555 Dragon_Lady

Our family cat (adopted barn cat) when I was growing up left remains (e.g. feathers and gut piles.) She mainly got small birds, mice, and chipmunks. But I can attest from personal observation her catching (and eating) a cottontail rabbit at least once.

My generally indoor cats (Sherman/Thomas) when I lived in western PA were self-taught hunters. Their early attempts at catching birds were essentially comical in nature. However, they were catching mice and chipmunks eventually and bringing them home for further play. So I got to chase down runaway chipmunks in the house a few times. Sherman (aka Cat I) also apparently found a rabbit nest one spring. He kept bringing home live baby bunnies. The other cat had a minor in snake catching as well. He was the one that kept hauling garter snakes into the garage (from 6" to 2' long.)

587 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:31:41am

re: #577 Obdicut

Your personal experience is not enough to extrapolate from, sorry. Even if I knew you and trusted you.

re: #548 reine.de.tout

I don't trust actual personal experiences very much. I know how fallible I am personally, and I know statistics.

The concerted efforts to attack ACORN have made me very leery of accepting any attacks on ACORN at face value.

Interesting.
In casual conversation with people, I tend to trust people enough that if they tell me they have had a personal experience leading them to a particular conclusion, I believe them.

You and SFZ would prefer to have court trial level proof before you'd believe them.

Amazing.

588 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:31:43am

re: #577 Obdicut

Even if I knew you and trusted you.

So if you were on a jury you wouldn't be able to accept the testimony of eye witnesses?

589 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:32:08am

More hilarity from trial of AQ operative in NYC:

A U.S.-trained Pakistani scientist has asked to testify in her own defense against charges she tried to kill American personnel in Afghanistan.

FILE- In this undated file photo originaly released by the FBI, Aafia Siddiqui is shown. In newly filed court documents, a psychologist disputes Siddiqui's claim that she was held captive overseas from 2008 to 2008. The American trained scientist is charged with shooting at U.S. soldiers and FBI agents in Afghanistan after her arrest as a suspected al-Qaida operative.Defense attorneys have argued that Aafia Siddiqui should be banned from testifying at her Manhattan trial. They say her "diminished capacity'' would result in a "painful spectacle.'' Prosecutors say it would be unprecedented to deny a defendant such a basic right.

Asked Friday by federal Judge Richard Berman if she wanted to testify, Siddiqui said, "Yes sir.''

The judge asked to hear further arguments from lawyers before deciding.

Her lawyers say that she shouldn't testify because of diminished capacity, even though she's been found competent to stand trial.

Yet, she's been tossed from the courtroom at least three times for outbursts, so what she'd say on the stand is anyone's guess but would likely include anti-US rants about being railroaded or a conspiracy to get her.

590 simoom  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:32:59am

re: #387 RogueOne

Except I was talking about the bit O'Keefe was attempting to "expose".

Rereading your original post I see that I misunderstood it -- sorry.

591 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:33:07am

re: #585 Dragon_Lady

Fevers back, gonna go lay down. BBL. Keep smiling everyone!

I'm gonna go lay back down too.

592 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:33:13am

re: #587 reine.de.tout

upding

also , see 588

593 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:33:25am

re: #587 reine.de.tout

I trust that Lawhawk has come to that conclusion fairly through their own experience. I just don't trust that that experience is representative, when I know what a small sample size it represents.

I'm not sure what's amazing about that.

594 Buck  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:35:01am

re: #373 simoom

Four men, each well connected in a myriad of ways with the GoP establishment, bypass security at a Democratic Senator's offices by impersonating public utility employees, with the intent to vandalize federal property? That seems to go beyond a "minor local story" on a number of levels.

No one has shown that anyone vandalized or intended to vandalize anything.

595 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:35:33am

re: #588 sattv4u2

Even if I knew you and trusted you.

So if you were on a jury you wouldn't be able to accept the testimony of eye witnesses?

I know a number of people who have this automatic level of distrust of others and life in general. If you get to know these people in more than a casual way, you start finding out that they have a general problem with recognizing societally accepted norms of moral behavior.

596 tradewind  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:35:55am

For jihadis, frying eggs can be a problem.
[Link: chronicle.com...]

597 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:36:03am

re: #593 Obdicut

I trust that Lawhawk has come to that conclusion fairly through their own experience. I just don't trust that that experience is representative, when I know what a small sample size it represents.

I'm not sure what's amazing about that.

Did he say that his experience could be extrapolated across every branch of the entire organization?

598 Kragar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:36:10am

re: #585 Dragon_Lady

Fevers back, gonna go lay down. BBL. Keep smiling everyone!

Have you considered more cowbell?

599 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:36:26am

re: #593 Obdicut

I trust that Lawhawk has come to that conclusion fairly through their own experience. I just don't trust that that experience is representative, when I know what a small sample size it represents.

I'm not sure what's amazing about that.

Coming from you, it's not amazing at all.

600 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:36:46am

re: #588 sattv4u2

Sure. But Lawhawk is offering hearsay (legally), not eye-witness evidence.

Hell, I don't disbelieve some low-level ACORN people have given shady-ass tax advice. I also don't disbelieve that some H&R Block people have either. I just know that the attack on ACORN is a politically motivated one and that those guys who made the videos have shown themselves to have poor judgment, at the very best. And I know that extrapolating conclusions about the behavior of an entire organization based on contacts in one area is silly.

601 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:37:01am

re: #595 Walter L. Newton

It's more likely they've been lied to enough times that they require more evidence that someone is truthful before accepting any statement at face value.

Cynics tend to be disappointed idealists.

602 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:37:18am

re: #590 simoom

Rereading your original post I see that I misunderstood it -- sorry.

No problem, it's not like you were being rude.

603 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:37:18am

Halliburton.

Blackwater.

I'm sure y'all are consistent in your values.

604 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:37:32am

re: #597 Aceofwhat?

Okay. To extrapolate from it at all, then.

605 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:37:39am

re: #601 PT Barnum

It's more likely they've been lied to enough times that they require more evidence that someone is truthful before accepting any statement at face value.

Cynics tend to be disappointed idealists.

You just described the left.

606 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:38:12am

re: #601 PT Barnum

Not to mention, wasn't there evidence that O'Keefe hit several ACORN offices before he found one that bit?

607 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:39:12am

re: #600 Obdicut

But Lawhawk is offering hearsay (legally), not eye-witness evidence

from #544

I have personal interactions with the group

I'm pretty sure (actually ,, POSITIVE) that "personal interaction" ='s eye witness!

608 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:39:43am

re: #605 Walter L. Newton

Or the religious right, who are starting to figure out that the GOP has no interest whatsoever in pursuing their issues except when they need to be pandered to in order to get past the primary into the general.

609 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:39:50am

re: #603 Ben Hur

Halliburton.

Blackwater.

I'm sure y'all are consistent in your values.

They don't count because they are evil corporations. Next!

610 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:39:55am

re: #575 Alouette

Maybe he was, but the video was edited.

O'Keefe strikes again!

//

611 Girth  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:39:57am

re: #566 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My reasoning on why Obama is a political coward.

Bill Clinton established the "Don't ask, don't tell policy" in 1993 thru an Executive order. If Obama really wanted to end it, all he would have to do is draft another executive order repealing it. Instead, he hands it off to Congress and claims thats the best he can do.

As I understand the issue, there are parts of the UCMJ which need to be changed, requiring an act of Congress.

612 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:40:11am

re: #606 PT Barnum

Not to mention, wasn't there evidence that O'Keefe hit several ACORN offices before he found one that bit?

True,.,,,,,, then found another "one that bit",, then another ,,,, then;;;;;

613 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:40:36am

re: #601 PT Barnum

It's more likely they've been lied to enough times that they require more evidence that someone is truthful before accepting any statement at face value.

Cynics tend to be disappointed idealists.

There is something wrong with a persons judgement if they have put themselves into a position to be lied too over and over again. That's chronic and that person perhaps should reexamine how they interact with people in general.

614 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:41:09am

re: #505 generalsparky

And I saw a lot of excuses for Harry Reid too. The left seems a little too obsessed with race. I don't judge anyone based on his/her race. I judge character or lack of.

I'm not obsessed with race.

615 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:41:47am

re: #608 PT Barnum

Or the religious right, who are starting to figure out that the GOP has no interest whatsoever in pursuing their issues except when they need to be pandered to in order to get past the primary into the general.

I don't listen to the religious right... we are talking about people who listen over and over and are lied to over and over.

616 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:42:04am

re: #614 Jeff In Ohio

I'm not obsessed with race.

You wanna cookie or something?

617 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:42:27am

re: #616 generalsparky

You wanna cookie or something?

Is that code?

618 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:42:55am

re: #617 Ben Hur

Is that code?

No, only if he asked about wanting a cracker.

619 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:43:05am

re: #607 sattv4u2

No, you're not understanding me. If you say, "I believe that ACORN employees could easily have committed these crimes because I know other ACORN employees that I felt were ethically shady", that's hearsay-- at best.

As I said, I fully believe that Lawhawk is being totally honest about the experience. However: my team, at work, runs awesome. We're totally in synch, on time, on budget, all the rest. It's great. If you go two cubicles over, you'll find a team that's in total disarray.

If you worked with my company and met our team, you'd think we were competent and awesome. If you worked with them, you would come away with the impression we were disordered and chaotic. Yet we're part of the same company.

Individual experience is not a good metric for extrapolation.

620 Kragar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:43:20am

re: #617 Ben Hur

Is that code?

The banjo is angry at midnight.

621 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:43:37am

re: #616 generalsparky

You wanna cookie or something?

Some of my best friends eat cookies.

622 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:43:56am

re: #600 Obdicut

You're getting hearsay and eyewitness testimony mixed up.

From wiki, which makes it easier to show the difference:

For example, a witness says "Susan told me Tom was in town". Since the witness did not see Tom in town, the statement would be hearsay evidence to the fact that Tom was in town, and not admissible. However, it would be admissible as evidence that Susan said Tom was in town, and on the issue of her knowledge of whether he was in town.

I'm telling you that I saw ACORN engaging in unethical and morally flexible behaviors. That's not hearsay but actual eyewitness testimony. If I told you that I saw ACORN doing it, and then you went on to say to someone else - "lawhawk told me that ACORN did X" that would be hearsay.

Still, I'm telling you what I saw and why I think those videos are an accurate reflection of ACORN operations, because it's what I've seen of ACORN operations in my experience. Does that extrapolate to all ACORN? Nope. And if anything, I've repeatedly argued that so many offices proffered similar kinds of responses that it goes to the hiring and training practices of the NY office (and that's one of two offices with which I've had personal dealings with - the other being Brooklyn).

623 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:43:59am

re: #618 RogueOne

No, only if he asked about wanting a cracker.

LOL!

I'm a she BTW :-)

624 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:44:22am

re: #614 Jeff In Ohio

I'm not obsessed with race.

I was obsessed with race, then Dale Earnhardt died.

(awaiting the downding flood)

625 simoom  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:44:26am

re: #594 Buck

No one has shown that anyone vandalized or intended to vandalize anything.

Wasn't the plan to disable the Senate office's phone system and then record how they reacted to it?

626 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:44:58am

re: #624 MrSilverDragon

I was obsessed with race, then Dale Earnhardt died.

(awaiting the downding flood)

A guy makes ONE right hand turn and look what happens!!

(duckin!!)

627 Kragar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:45:01am

re: #624 MrSilverDragon

I was obsessed with race, then Dale Earnhardt died.

(awaiting the downding flood)

Who?

628 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:45:39am

re: #623 generalsparky

LOL!

I'm a she BTW :-)

I forgot I learned that last night when you mentioned your husband playing LFD2, sorry bout that.

629 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:46:17am

re: #622 lawhawk

And as it applies to other ACORN employees, is it eyewitness testimony?

630 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:46:29am

Ah, it's now a theme..

A Tea Party group whose founder already has been in hot water for holding a sign that referred to taxpayers as "niggars" has doubled down on racist appeals.

TeaParty.org, a Houston-based group founded by Dale Robertson, yesterday sent an email fund-raising solicitation, obtained by TPMmuckraker, headlined "Obama Pimping Obama-Care, One Last Time!"

The photograph below -- showing the president as a stereotypical African-American pimp, sporting a pencil-thin mustache and a zebra-striped, fur-brimmed fedora, complete with a feather -- illustrated the theme

New Tea Party Email

631 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:46:49am

re: #628 RogueOne

I forgot I learned that last night when you mentioned your husband playing LFD2, sorry bout that.

NP! Yep, I am a L4D2 widow ;-)

632 oldegeezr  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:47:02am

re: #628 RogueOne

That was L4D2...!

633 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:47:10am

re: #626 sattv4u2

What do NASCAR and software testing have in common?

Neither is all that interesting unless something goes wrong.

634 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:48:10am

re: #507 Spare O'Lake

Let's call a spade a spade here. Matthews is a good example of the snide smart-ass intellectual racism of the left.

Matthews is an excellent example of the bullshit we've been told is 'smart analysis' by the MSM and other Villagers.

Matthews was a tool when he rhapsodised about how great Bush looked in a flight suit, or claimed Bush 'glimmered with sunny nobility' in 2005, just as much as he was a tool when he said Obama's speech gave him a tingle up his leg.

Like most pundits, and especially the MSM ones, Matthews (aka Tweety) is basically a fool.

635 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:48:15am

re: #631 generalsparky

I make it a rule to always shut down whatever game I'm playing whenever my fiancee gets home-- which means I can only play L4D2 on the weekends, when I have a solid hour or two in a row.

636 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:48:56am

re: #615 Walter L. Newton

But why politicize it at all? I admit I took the bait, if only to show that gullibility is neither a symptom of the left or the right.

I personally think it's more a matter of personal experience, cultural background, and gut instincts whether or not you trust someone.

637 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:49:14am

re: #623 generalsparky

LOL!

I'm a she BTW :-)

Sweeet.

638 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:49:15am

re: #616 generalsparky

You wanna cookie or something?

No, an apology will do.

639 Kragar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:49:32am

re: #635 Obdicut

I make it a rule to always shut down whatever game I'm playing whenever my fiancee gets home-- which means I can only play L4D2 on the weekends, when I have a solid hour or two in a row.

I've been sinking a good 2-3 hours a night into Fallout 3 lately.

640 bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:50:20am

On a personal level, I despise Matthews so I'm not motivated to defend him, however, I give him a pass on this comment.

Most people can't help but notice the color difference of others, regardless of whether they feel or express any sort of bias or racism, they are aware that the person they are talking to is Black, or Chinese, or any other highly visible physical difference in appearance.

Having personally spent the majority of my time associating with non-Caucasians, I get that same reaction Matthews was genuinely surprised at, that I just forget I'm talking to any sort of "minority" they are just people to me. And by this I don't mean that I lose any sort of bias, I mean that I just no longer notice that they are Black or Chinese or whatever, they are just people, and look not different to me than other people. It is a difficult thing to explain.

I recall the first time I met my close friends Grandmother from Haiti who spoke only Creole. Her exclamation of seeing me was "Oh, he is a gra neg" a big Negro, she didn't use the word 'Blan' which would mean a white or a foreigner, whereas a 'neg' would mean a man who is 'one of us' white or black.

It is a sort of color-blindness that one acquires from familiarly. Matthews probably doesn't spend much time in situations where Black people don't stand out visually being in the minority, so this was a new experience for him, to watch a Black speaker and completely forget that the person had a different skin colour. Thus I can understand his reaction which appears honest and came as a surprise to him.

641 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:51:19am

re: #635 Obdicut

I make it a rule to always shut down whatever game I'm playing whenever my fiancee gets home-- which means I can only play L4D2 on the weekends, when I have a solid hour or two in a row.

Good for you!

(Do you play it on Steam? My husband is pretty mean on there and I am constantly telling him to play nicer lol)

642 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:51:26am

re: #640 bagua

Well said, I've had the same experience. Would that we all could just see each other as "just people"

643 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:51:42am

re: #639 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've been sinking a good 2-3 hours a night into Fallout 3 lately.

So, you should be finished with all the quests in about 2 months (not including downloadable content).

Great game!

644 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:52:00am

re: #639 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Using any of the mods?

And all gamers should know about this site:

Rock, Paper, Shotgun.

My favorite thinking about games site.

645 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:52:42am

re: #641 generalsparky

Yeah, I do. And I'm a longtime gamer, so I never take what my teammates take all that seriously. Though I do get annoyed at those who simply aren't trying.

But the point is to have fun, and dying can be fun too.

646 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:52:58am

It's eyewitness testimony only to those I've seen; for the rest, it could potentially fall into one of the hearsay exceptions, depending on how it is used.

Would this come up for trial, if a prosecutor or lawyer in a civil suit were to use my testimony - they could do so for direct purposes (eyewitness), or use it to establish a pattern of behavior by ACORN employees.

Then it would be up to the jury to weigh the testimony given versus all the other information presented.

647 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:53:37am

OPEN QUESTION TO THE LEFT OF CENTER here on LGF.

What was your general review of the Presidents speech last night. I heard a lot of conservative opinions here last night, but I really wanted some input from moderate Democrats and progressives.

Anyone? (Conservative need not apply).

648 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:53:40am

re: #635 Obdicut

My only gaming issue is cat interference. Not so bad with computer stuff since it's simply getting in the way. More of an issue with boardgames since there is the occasional invasion of the western Pacific by the feline menace...

Until I took steps to cover games with plexiglass between sittings I was also finding counters up to two rooms away at times. Get stuck on a paw and then tracked out of the room. (The previously mentioned Puck was the only cat so far that *chewed* on counters. There's a rather ragged Lt Gen Buckner sitting in a gamebox in my closet.)

649 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:54:31am

re: #630 Stanley Sea

Ahh, photoshop.

650 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:54:50am

re: #644 Obdicut

CnC4 Beta test is out. I love that series.

651 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:55:08am

I got a PS3 last week.

FIFA 10.

Love it.

652 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:55:21am

re: #631 generalsparky

NP! Yep, I am a L4D2 widow ;-)

We need more female generals!

653 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:55:40am

re: #647 Walter L. Newton

OPEN QUESTION TO THE LEFT OF CENTER here on LGF.

What was your general review of the Presidents speech last night. I heard a lot of conservative opinions here last night, but I really wanted some input from moderate Democrats and progressives.

Anyone? (Conservative need not apply).

I am liberal, and I thought it sucked.

654 Ericus58  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:56:19am

re: #648 oaktree

Heh.
I've had to put a phonebook under my monitor to raise it above the reclining Roxy (laying on a towel I had to place on the desk for her). It was hard trying to tank heal with my pally otherwise ;)

655 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:56:32am

re: #652 Aceofwhat?

We need more female generals!

Ggeeezz ,,, I think I need glasses


Thought you typed "we need more female GENITALS!",,

656 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:57:00am

re: #651 Ben Hur

I got a PS3 last week.

FIFA 10.

Love it.

Bah. You're going to miss out on Mass Effect 2. The first one was epic.

657 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:57:29am

re: #640 bagua

I updinged you because that was a trenchant and thoughtful comment.

But I disagree with giving Matthews a pass on this, because he wasn't speaking to friends or 'off the cuff'.

Pundits and so on need to think before they speak. Matthews didn't-- and he should have. And his random comment does, I think, reveal a lot about how far race relations in the US need to go.

658 Kragar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:57:32am

re: #644 Obdicut

Using any of the mods?

And all gamers should know about this site:

Rock, Paper, Shotgun.

My favorite thinking about games site.

Just playing the basic game right now. Being a very very bad person. Charon and I are both in Power Armor and basically making a mess of things all over the place.

659 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:57:41am

re: #655 sattv4u2

Ggeeezz ,,, I think I need glasses

Thought you typed "we need more female GENITALS!",,

I wouldn't complain, but it seemed uncouth to just come out and say it...

660 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:57:42am

re: #646 lawhawk

It could only be direct testimony about the people you observed. You didn't have eyewitness testimony about those in the videos. That's all I was saying.

661 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:57:48am

Iran hangs two who opposed the regime, claiming that they were seeking to overthrow the government.

Iran on Thursday executed two men accused of involvement in an armed anti-government group, as the public prosecutor announced that new death sentences have been issued against opposition activists involved in protests over June's disputed presidential election.

The announcements marked an escalation by the courts enforcing the clerical leadership's heavy, monthslong crackdown aimed at crushing the opposition challenge. The prosecutor also said a new group of protesters and others would soon be brought to trial.

The two men who were hanged before dawn Thursday had been arrested before the election and did not appear to be connected to the postelection protests.

They were tried in the same trials as those who did participate in the opposition demonstrations.

662 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:58:08am

re: #655 sattv4u2

Ggeeezz ,,, I think I need glasses

Thought you typed "we need more female GENITALS!",,

Get your mind out of the gutter! There's only room enough for mine!

663 PHNTMLRD  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:58:11am

Thank you for the reinstatement Charles! I promise to be a good lizard!

664 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:58:47am

re: #647 Walter L. Newton

OPEN QUESTION TO THE LEFT OF CENTER here on LGF.

What was your general review of the Presidents speech last night. I heard a lot of conservative opinions here last night, but I really wanted some input from moderate Democrats and progressives.

Anyone? (Conservative need not apply).

the lefties here would rather nip around the fringe than directly indulge in conversation about BO himself, his record or his intentions...just butting in here

665 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:58:52am

re: #645 Obdicut

Yeah, I do. And I'm a longtime gamer, so I never take what my teammates take all that seriously. Though I do get annoyed at those who simply aren't trying.

But the point is to have fun, and dying can be fun too.

My husband gets annoyed with those that aren't trying too! He has "rage quit" before but he usually warns beforehand that it is about to happen.

I used to play UT forever ago but I am still weirded out that he uses a head set and actually talks to people.

666 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:59:16am

re: #653 cliffster

I am liberal, and I thought it sucked.

Because he didn't go left enough?

667 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:59:29am

re: #647 Walter L. Newton

OPEN QUESTION TO THE LEFT OF CENTER here on LGF.

What was your general review of the Presidents speech last night. I heard a lot of conservative opinions here last night, but I really wanted some input from moderate Democrats and progressives.

Anyone? (Conservative need not apply).

I generally do not like SOTU speeches - the clapping, interruptions etc. Today I remember the more center points - small business, cutting taxes, nuclear. I liked the ending too. Not really deep review here Walter, but I'm still tired.

668 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:59:32am

re: #656 Aceofwhat?

Bah. You're going to miss out on Mass Effect 2. The first one was epic.

I can't follow those games.

Too much sh*t going on.

I got it to chill.

Though I'm tempted to look at those call of duty games and the like.

669 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:00:00am

re: #664 albusteve

I didn't get to hear the whole thing, so I am going to keep myself out of this.

670 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:00:20am

re: #668 Ben Hur

I can't follow those games.

Too much sh*t going on.

I got it to chill.

Though I'm tempted to look at those call of duty games and the like.

CoD MW2 was amazing. I had a few jaw-drop moments while playing it.

671 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:01:29am

re: #665 generalsparky

Funny WOW story. I was playing with my group, and my wife came in the room. I said, "My wife's here, guys" And to a man they all turned their avatars to me and waved. The funny part is my wife waved back before she remembered they couldn't see her from the other direction.

672 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:01:39am

re: #652 Aceofwhat?

We need more female generals!

LOL!

When I used to play UT, I played as generalsparky's wife. I almost registered here as that in case my husband wanted to register here. But it is fun being the general for once ;-)

673 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:02:11am

here's a good idea...

Congress can save a quick $420 million a year by zeroing out the budget for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. It's a needless drain on the public coffers that has outlived its usefulness.

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

674 Ericus58  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:02:20am

re: #668 Ben Hur

COD = EPIC
BF1942, Day of Defeat, DoD:S, Medal of Honor.....

Good times with my son.

675 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:02:30am

re: #671 PT Barnum

geek upding

676 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:02:54am

re: #647 Walter L. Newton

Sound bite Theater.

Meaningless until something is enacted that backs up the stated desire.

677 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:03:04am

re: #663 PHNTMLRD

Thank you for the reinstatement Charles! I promise to be a good lizard!

Were you a bad lizard?

678 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:03:35am

re: #666 sattv4u2

Because he didn't go left enough?

Too long. And I didn't like his suit.

679 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:04:42am

re: #677 wrenchwench

Were you a bad lizard?

Don't reinstated lizards owe the rest of a round of something, like a hatchling? I'll take a hot chocolate with whip cream. And sprinkles.

680 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:04:47am

re: #671 PT Barnum

Funny WOW story. I was playing with my group, and my wife came in the room. I said, "My wife's here, guys" And to a man they all turned their avatars to me and waved. The funny part is my wife waved back before she remembered they couldn't see her from the other direction.

Had a similar EQ moment a few years back. I still have an active character there (only because I forgot to deactivate auto-renew on the account). In our case, however, it turned out to be a pixellated dance party.

681 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:05:39am

re: #664 albusteve

the lefties here would rather nip around the fringe than directly indulge in conversation about BO himself, his record or his intentions...just butting in here

Your a lefty? Do you need a cookie too?

I'd comment, but I didn't see the whole thing and SOTU speeches tend to be of the laundry list variety, and when it comes to speechifying, I prefer aspirational. Besides, this morning, being a left apologist for intellectual racism, I'm mostly trying to reconcile my hopey changey with my cynical idealist.

xoxo.

682 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:06:04am

re: #679 EmmmieG

Don't reinstated lizards owe the rest of a round of something, like a hatchling? I'll take a hot chocolate with whip cream. And sprinkles.

Make that two!

683 Bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:06:12am

re: #657 iceweasel

I updinged you because that was a trenchant and thoughtful comment.

But I disagree with giving Matthews a pass on this, because he wasn't speaking to friends or 'off the cuff'.

Pundits and so on need to think before they speak. Matthews didn't-- and he should have. And his random comment does, I think, reveal a lot about how far race relations in the US need to go.

I agree that a pundit has to be careful of their words, but in this case Matthews was also expressing honesty, an internal experience that surprised him. Most people "prepare a face to meet the faces that they meet" thus, he will talk correct, act correct, but internally, he is aware he is speaking to an 'other'. And probably extra careful to use politically correct words as a result. That is the normal reaction.

It comes as a surprise then when one no longer sees the person as an other, the difference becomes unnoticeable and one is no longer aware they are speaking to someone different, no longer being careful with their words. So yes, as a pundit it is a fail, but as a person, it was a personal revelation to him which he expressed honestly. Instead of pretending he was colour blind in words and deeds because that is the 'correct' thing to do, he actually experienced colour blindness for the first time on a personal level.

684 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:06:43am

re: #663 PHNTMLRD

Thank you for the reinstatement Charles! I promise to be a good lizard!

I wonder what VEGAS has to say !?!?!?

685 tradewind  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:07:35am

I'm still wondering... did POTUS misspeak, or did he really not understand that foreign corporations have never been and remain after the SCOTUS ruling not able to legally donate to our campaigns?

686 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:07:39am

re: #583 Buck

FALSE. We don't have the full raw tapes because of the Two person consent laws. If the ACORN employee would consent, they would release the full tapes.

Link?

687 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:07:57am

re: #684 sattv4u2

I wonder what VEGAS has to say !?!?!?

10th comment was a promise not to say whatever got it banned last time. I bet you get pretty good odds.

688 oldegeezr  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:08:26am

re: #647 Walter L. Newton

See my #435… and yes I think exploitation of our NG resources and Pickens’s approach to its use is very progressive.

689 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:09:06am

re: #685 tradewind

I'm still wondering... did POTUS misspeak, or did he really not understand that foreign corporations have never been and remain after the SCOTUS ruling not able to legally donate to our campaigns?

I think phone banks in Gaza are ok though.

690 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:09:14am

Stupid command and conquer site is overloaded.

691 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:09:36am

re: #587 reine.de.tout

Interesting.
In casual conversation with people, I tend to trust people enough that if they tell me they have had a personal experience leading them to a particular conclusion, I believe them.

You and SFZ would prefer to have court trial level proof before you'd believe them.

Amazing.

I am weighing any personal trust in lawhawk's experience against my complete lack of faith in the honesty of Mr. O'Keefe.

I'm fairly sure that ACORN has some problems going on. But O'Keefe is a sleaze. As far as I'm concerned, who's telling the truth there is a toss-up.

692 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:10:50am

re: #685 tradewind

I'm still wondering... did POTUS misspeak, or did he really not understand that foreign corporations have never been and remain after the SCOTUS ruling not able to legally donate to our campaigns?

I posted a link in spinoffs about that. I also added a link in the comments there that rated Obama's SOTU comment 'barely true'.

Anyone interested in the issue, I highly recommend that link I left in a comment to the spinoff.

693 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:11:07am

JMU Dorm Evacuated

HARRISONBURG - Police have evacuated a dormitory on the campus of James Madison University in connection with this morning's explosion on a section of railroad tracks not far from the JMU campus.

Harrisonburg police said in a statement that "information obtained during the investigation led officers to the McGraw-Long dormitory." The dorm has been evacuated "for the convenience of the officers to conduct a thorough search."

The statement added that there is "no anticipated hazard in the dorm."

However, police are not saying what led them to the dorm or what they think they might find there.

Harrisonburg police have confirmed that a "small explosion" occurred on or near the railroad tracks near Cantrell Avenue this morning.

A resident of a nearby apartment complex called 911 at about 6:30 a.m. to report a "possible explosion" near the tracks, according to police.

Investigators with the Harrisonburg Police Department's Crime Scene Unit and K-9 squad have found evidence of an explosion, along with "debris" on the tracks, although it's not clear what specifically has been found or how much damage was caused by the blast.

But officials say no one was injured in the blast, adding that the device was relatively small.

694 simoom  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:11:35am

re: #667 Stanley Sea

I generally do not like SOTU speeches - the clapping, interruptions etc. Today I remember the more center points - small business, cutting taxes, nuclear. I liked the ending too. Not really deep review here Walter, but I'm still tired.

I'm basically on the same page here. I find political pageantry and theater generally irritating, and especially the ridiculously overwrought coverage off it by most of the media ("will he show leadership!?", "what mistakes will he admit?", "will he show the American people he feels their pain?").

For this SotU, I felt the strongest parts were the long stretches at the beginning and end that were uninterrupted by applause. I disliked the litanies referencing specific people and towns that seem to be required in political speeches these days. I was fine with the substance, though I disliked his plugging clean coal (while understanding the political realities of it).

695 suchislife  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:11:50am

re: #683 Bagua

My problem is not so much that I expect everyone on TV to always controll everything they say and never offend. People make mistakes (and then they can apologize when called on it or when cooling down). Rather, it's that a guy like Matthews, who I would gladly say, chat with online has this kind of soap box. That this perfect specism of what progressives call a villager is regarded as serious, when other people who I actually admire, rather then just like so-so are marginalized as whacko. And that makes me hate him.

696 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:12:45am

re: #584 Aceofwhat?

We can believe things because we believe the person that tells us despite that not being enough to stand up in court...I believe lawhawk because of what i have seen from him lo these many years...

Lawhawk wasn't there. I believe that he's had dealings with ACORN that make him distrustful, sure. But O'Keefe I don't believe as far as I could throw him.

PLEASE do not turn this into some referendum on lawhawk and whether we all love him enough.

697 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:15:19am

re: #692 iceweasel

I posted a link in spinoffs about that. I also added a link in the comments there that rated Obama's SOTU comment 'barely true'.

Anyone interested in the issue, I highly recommend that link I left in a comment to the spinoff.

I read the article from politico you posted, but it didn't really have anything insightful, other than this guy agreed with the decision, and this other guy doesn't. And the fact that the democrat who spoke out against Alito is named weiner. chuckle

698 tradewind  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:15:30am

re: #691 SanFranciscoZionist

I am not happy with O'Keefe's tactics in this latest affair. But I knew there was more to it than ' tapping a phone'.
And while we're talking sleazy, the cowardly dumping of your constituents' calls fits that description. Landrieu was about to be busted on that one, and O'Keefe was the messenger who was after the proof. Too bad he couldn't have done it legally, and with some finesse.

699 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:16:21am

re: #696 SanFranciscoZionist

Lawhawk wasn't there. I believe that he's had dealings with ACORN that make him distrustful, sure. But O'Keefe I don't believe as far as I could throw him.

PLEASE do not turn this into some referendum on lawhawk and whether we all love him enough.

lawhawk is the fucking MAN, man

700 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:16:30am

re: #607 sattv4u2

But Lawhawk is offering hearsay (legally), not eye-witness evidence

from #544

I have personal interactions with the group

I'm pretty sure (actually ,, POSITIVE) that "personal interaction" ='s eye witness!

Only to an ACORN office or offices. Not to the specific matter at hand.

701 RogueOne  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:17:51am

Why would EA release a Beta online when they know their servers can't keep up with the demand? that irritates the hell outta me.

702 tradewind  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:18:36am

re: #697 cliffster

Politico article was incorrect, at least on the foreign corp isssue.
Alito knew Obama was wrong.

703 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:19:19am

re: #702 tradewind

Politico article was incorrect, at least on the foreign corp isssue.
Alito knew Obama was wrong.

4 other justices don't agree.

704 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:19:40am

re: #647 Walter L. Newton

OPEN QUESTION TO THE LEFT OF CENTER here on LGF.

What was your general review of the Presidents speech last night. I heard a lot of conservative opinions here last night, but I really wanted some input from moderate Democrats and progressives.

Anyone? (Conservative need not apply).

Everything but the kitchen sink. Economy sucks, he knows it, he's worried. I'm tapping my foot waiting to see if he can deliver.

My mother, also a moderate Democrat, concurs.

705 Buck  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:20:16am

re: #600 Obdicut

Sure. But Lawhawk is offering hearsay (legally), not eye-witness evidence.

Hell, I don't disbelieve some low-level ACORN people have given shady-ass tax advice. I also don't disbelieve that some H&R Block people have either.

If you got 5 videos of H&R block employees, in different cities and states, giving that kind of advice.... What do you think would happen to H&R Block?

706 Kragar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:20:18am

re: #701 RogueOne

Why would EA release a Beta online when they know their servers can't keep up with the demand? that irritates the hell outta me.

Beta Test 1: Stress Testing

707 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:21:27am

re: #692 iceweasel

re: #697 cliffster

hmm, I think I'm missing something. ice maybe if you just link here?

708 Ericus58  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:21:35am

'Dogs of war' saving lives in Afghanistan

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

"SOUTHEAST OF MARJAH, Afghanistan (AFP) – For the US Marines patrolling the dusty footpaths of southern Afghanistan, a bomb-sniffing black Labrador can mean the difference between life and death."

did anyone watch the series on either the History or Military channels on the WWII dogs of war?

709 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:21:48am

re: #696 SanFranciscoZionist

Lawhawk wasn't there. I believe that he's had dealings with ACORN that make him distrustful, sure. But O'Keefe I don't believe as far as I could throw him.

PLEASE do not turn this into some referendum on lawhawk and whether we all love him enough.

No sweat. I just meant that whether a statement will stand up in court is irrelevant to whether we trust something based on another's firsthand experience. No referendum here.

710 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:22:27am

re: #664 albusteve

the lefties here would rather nip around the fringe than directly indulge in conversation about BO himself, his record or his intentions...just butting in here

Thank you for the vote of respect and confidence for your fellow lizards.

711 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:23:38am

re: #700 SanFranciscoZionist

My experience with ACORN shades my view of ACORN. How can it not. Those videos reinforce my view of the group as being morally and ethically flexible.

But as you succinctly stated above, this isn't about my view. It's about ACORN's actions as witnessed in the videos - and ACORN itself has already stated that it was engaging in improved training and other steps to prevent future occurrences. That's pretty telling.

O'Keefe's actions need to be seen for what they are - and in the LA case, appear to have broken several laws that should result in incarceration.

712 tradewind  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:24:05am

re: #703 Stanley Sea

No. Four ( a minority, btw) justices dissented re McCain-Feingold. The law has always been on the books re foreign corporations. That was not at issue before the Court.

713 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:24:36am

J.D. Salinger dies

[Link: www.seattlepi.com...]

714 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:25:04am

re: #710 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank you for the vote of respect and confidence for your fellow lizards.

Seriously. Sometimes i move closer to the center just to get away from the Albuquerque elbows...they're almost always unnecessary and annoying.

715 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:25:21am

re: #698 tradewind

I am not happy with O'Keefe's tactics in this latest affair. But I knew there was more to it than ' tapping a phone'.
And while we're talking sleazy, the cowardly dumping of your constituents' calls fits that description. Landrieu was about to be busted on that one, and O'Keefe was the messenger who was after the proof. Too bad he couldn't have done it legally, and with some finesse.

Too bad, yes. Unsurprising, though. He's a shithead. Links on the subject of Landrieu?

716 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:25:33am

re: #694 simoom

I'm basically on the same page here. I find political pageantry and theater generally irritating, and especially the ridiculously overwrought coverage off it by most of the media ("will he show leadership!?", "what mistakes will he admit?", "will he show the American people he feels their pain?").

For this SotU, I felt the strongest parts were the long stretches at the beginning and end that were uninterrupted by applause. I disliked the litanies referencing specific people and towns that seem to be required in political speeches these days. I was fine with the substance, though I disliked his plugging clean coal (while understanding the political realities of it).

I don't find the SOTU speech irritating at all. Since I don't have a direct phone line to the President, since I can't call him up and ask him what he is up to, I rely on opportunities like this to hopefully get some insight from our leadership as to the future of this country as they see it.

So I listen and I pay attention.

I asked for some insight from the left on this forum as to what they thought of the SOTU speech. Our first black President giving his first SOTU speech, and the only answers I get (from the people on the left that even bothered to answer) is some vague comments about applause and laundry lists, kitchen sinks and foot tapping?

That's it. You got nothing more out of it than that? You can't come back and tell me if this pronouncement or that pronouncement was truthful, or doable or realistic or something? This was an historic speech and no one on the left can dissect, pro or con opinion wise, dissect any part of the speech and give me some detailed observations?

Tragic... the left can't even say anything nice, clever or substantive about Obama SOTU speech.

717 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:26:11am

re: #697 cliffster

I read the article from politico you posted, but it didn't really have anything insightful, other than this guy agreed with the decision, and this other guy doesn't. And the fact that the democrat who spoke out against Alito is named weiner. chuckle

Or you could do your own research, and actually read what is posted.

For example, you might want to read the comment I left on a SOTU link, and the link I left there (politifact, rating Obama's SOTU comment as 'barely true)'.

Or you could continue with blind ignorance and Obama hate (chuckle).

718 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:26:16am

re: #712 tradewind

No. Four ( a minority, btw) justices dissented re McCain-Feingold. The law has always been on the books re foreign corporations. That was not at issue before the Court.

exactly. big difference there, as you aptly noted.

719 soap_man  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:26:28am

re: #647 Walter L. Newton

OPEN QUESTION TO THE LEFT OF CENTER here on LGF.

What was your general review of the Presidents speech last night. I heard a lot of conservative opinions here last night, but I really wanted some input from moderate Democrats and progressives.

Anyone? (Conservative need not apply).

While I consider myself center-right, I did vote for him, so I'll answer.

Way too scattershot, and he kept contradicting himself. I think it is his worst speech. He bounced around too much with no overarching theme. (I know I sound more like a public speaking teacher than an observer, but I was bored.) I can point out what policies I liked and didn't like, but I'll stay away from that because I'm skeptical of whether or not he can deliver anyway. I like him and some of his ideas, but I'm am doubtful when it comes to his leadership skills.

My gf is more liberal, and she liked it more than I.

720 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:30:11am

re: #598 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Have you considered more cowbell?

Huh??? I got a bug, you ding bat! Bronchitis and a infected throat to be exact and yesterday I was feverish and digressed to a silly ridiculous point so I decided not to do that today and save some confusion. :-p

721 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:30:25am

re: #716 Walter L. Newton

I think that says a lot. When his own side is saying "meh... whatever" tells me all I need to know about it. I do not expect any post SOTU approval spike this time.

722 Interesting Times  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:31:25am

re: #318 iceweasel

Oh weird-- I know amazon links get automatically routed to be via the LGF affiliate; maybe CJ has a special code so that links from LGF show up for him as routed via LGF?

I thought that too until I realized that clicking the link resulted in a "Page not found" error. I looked at the source code and figured out what happened:

[a href=" yourURL"]Your text to link[/a]

Notice the extra space just before my placeholder for a real URL? If you leave that space in, the LGF site software automatically adds the address of the blog in front of it. So your full link winds up looking like this:

[a href="lgfURL yourURL"]Your text to link[/a]

...which, of course, results in a broken link (or more specifically, the LGF error page).

723 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:31:29am

re: #716 Walter L. Newton

I don't find the SOTU speech irritating at all. Since I don't have a direct phone line to the President, since I can't call him up and ask him what he is up to, I rely on opportunities like this to hopefully get some insight from our leadership as to the future of this country as they see it.

So I listen and I pay attention.

I asked for some insight from the left on this forum as to what they thought of the SOTU speech. Our first black President giving his first SOTU speech, and the only answers I get (from the people on the left that even bothered to answer) is some vague comments about applause and laundry lists, kitchen sinks and foot tapping?

That's it. You got nothing more out of it than that? You can't come back and tell me if this pronouncement or that pronouncement was truthful, or doable or realistic or something? This was an historic speech and no one on the left can dissect, pro or con opinion wise, dissect any part of the speech and give me some detailed observations?

Tragic... the left can't even say anything nice, clever or substantive about Obama SOTU speech.

I support the President.

724 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:33:22am

re: #697 cliffster

I read the article from politico you posted, but it didn't really have anything insightful, other than this guy agreed with the decision, and this other guy doesn't. And the fact that the democrat who spoke out against Alito is named weiner. chuckle

New thread, sweetheart. (chuckle)

Links politifact too. Have fun learning something!

725 Buck  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:34:13am

re: #686 SanFranciscoZionist

Link?

[Link: biggovernment.com...]

We muted the audio of the ACORN employees on the video released today due to ACORN’s legal attack upon us. We call upon ACORN to state publicly now that it has no objection to the public release of any its employees oral statements to us. If they are interested in the truth, why wouldn’t they do so?

726 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:35:04am

re: #716 Walter L. Newton

I don't find the SOTU speech irritating at all. Since I don't have a direct phone line to the President, since I can't call him up and ask him what he is up to, I rely on opportunities like this to hopefully get some insight from our leadership as to the future of this country as they see it.

So I listen and I pay attention.

I asked for some insight from the left on this forum as to what they thought of the SOTU speech. Our first black President giving his first SOTU speech, and the only answers I get (from the people on the left that even bothered to answer) is some vague comments about applause and laundry lists, kitchen sinks and foot tapping?

That's it. You got nothing more out of it than that? You can't come back and tell me if this pronouncement or that pronouncement was truthful, or doable or realistic or something? This was an historic speech and no one on the left can dissect, pro or con opinion wise, dissect any part of the speech and give me some detailed observations?

Tragic... the left can't even say anything nice, clever or substantive about Obama SOTU speech.

Walter, I'm still considering some of it, but also, I do not feel as though this is a forum in which I want to discuss Obama's speech, let alone say anything nice about it, God forbid.

I love my lizards, but the environment around here has been fairly hostile the last little bit, at some points and on some topics. Like, I suspect, many of the liberals on this blog, I often choose not to discuss some of my thoughts and ideologies on certain issues, (taxation anyone?) because I know they are starkly at odds with the general atmosphere and will only lead to fights. Also, at the present time, I am not pleased with a number of things Obama is doing, but discussing them here, where people had already decided he was a failure and a fool long before he got into office will probably not lead to much of a meeting of minds.

So I'm sorry my pocket analysis doesn't meet with your approval. Tell me what a typical lib I am, and get it off your chest. Or ask me a fucking question already.

727 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:35:53am

re: #716 Walter L. Newton

I don't find the SOTU speech irritating at all. Since I don't have a direct phone line to the President, since I can't call him up and ask him what he is up to, I rely on opportunities like this to hopefully get some insight from our leadership as to the future of this country as they see it.

So I listen and I pay attention.

I asked for some insight from the left on this forum as to what they thought of the SOTU speech. Our first black President giving his first SOTU speech, and the only answers I get (from the people on the left that even bothered to answer) is some vague comments about applause and laundry lists, kitchen sinks and foot tapping?

That's it. You got nothing more out of it than that? You can't come back and tell me if this pronouncement or that pronouncement was truthful, or doable or realistic or something? This was an historic speech and no one on the left can dissect, pro or con opinion wise, dissect any part of the speech and give me some detailed observations?

Tragic... the left can't even say anything nice, clever or substantive about Obama SOTU speech.

Also, what's so goddamn historical about the speech? It was the 2010 State of the Union.

728 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:36:04am

re: #716 Walter L. Newton

I'm not "the left".

I'm pragmatic about how our country is being governed, and how the various groups within it (political, corporate, individual) interact in forming its environment. In my opinion, the political side is mainly hot air for the masses, seeing what the lobbyists are willing to pay for votes, and essentially government acting like it has generally acted in the history of this country; e.g. for short term interests, maintaining political power (individual or for the party), and after that point enacting legislation intended to address the issues.

I don't hold President Obama to a higher level of expectation. He is not operating in a vacuum either. And at my cynical age I'm just not stirred by lofty visions and rhetoric. I want to see what rubber actually hits the road, and where the money is actually going, and actually coming from.

729 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:36:41am

re: #715 SanFranciscoZionist

Too bad, yes. Unsurprising, though. He's a shithead. Links on the subject of Landrieu?

Shit head. I think I called him that last night too ;-)

730 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:38:15am

re: #723 Stanley Sea

I support the President.

I do too, I thought his speech was very well done and well rehearsed (nothing worse than a badly rehearsed speech!), The only thing that annoyed me a bit was his hands and how he kept banging the podium with them, other than that it was nicely done.
Do I think he'd going to be able to do everything he says? Um, not so much. I respect the man, he's got the hardest job in the world and you couldn't pay me enough to take it! But I'm afraid it'll be politics as usual. Now if only we could get Mr. Emanuel to bow out, maybe some things might get done. Fever dream I guess, cause that's not gonna happen anytime soon...

731 soap_man  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:38:20am

re: #728 oaktree

Well said. The speech itself means little to me. So begins Act II of the Obama presidency, and I'll hold my tongue to see what comes of all this.

732 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:39:16am

re: #717 iceweasel

Or you could do your own research, and actually read what is posted.

For example, you might want to read the comment I left on a SOTU link, and the link I left there (politifact, rating Obama's SOTU comment as 'barely true)'.

Or you could continue with blind ignorance and Obama hate (chuckle).

easy now. you offered up a source of information, I was trying to find it. thought I was missing something, asked you about it. sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

733 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:39:46am

re: #728 oaktree

Nicely said. I would love for a President to say, "My sole agenda for the next year will be identifying government programs that do not achieve the goals of the program and either cutting them or reorganizing them so that they will actually work."

And for every bill that spends money to have attached to it metrics of success, and a time period of achievement, and then a mechanism to measure the success.

734 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:40:54am

re: #724 iceweasel

New thread, sweetheart. (chuckle)

Links politifact too. Have fun learning something!

thanks sweetie. The path to knowledge is treacherous and filled with peril

735 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:42:50am

re: #726 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks SFZ.

736 The Left  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:43:03am

re: #734 cliffster

thanks sweetie. The path to knowledge is treacherous and filled with peril

You can read all about it in the top post, sweetie. Since you didn't manage to do it when reading the links here.

Enjoy.

737 Stormy  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:44:49am

Fractal... reminds me of a conference I attended in 1990. Chaos: The New Science.

I distinctly remember listening to Benoit Mandelbrot and James Gleick. James' book, "Chaos: Making a New Science" is a great read. I was fascinated with Mandelbrot and Julia Sets and promptly went home to write a program that drew one on my Apple.

For any SQL geeks out there, here's a SQL Mandelbrot Set.

I remember they had a Mac IIfx there as well (this was a ~$10,000 machine at the time) that rendered sets and then would tip from a 2-d (overhead) image to a 3-d image that looked like mountain ranges. The math behind it all is really cool.

738 tradewind  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:46:48am

re: #715 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't really have time to link-chase this, and Landrieu denies it, of course.

As the vote neared, conservatives complained they were unable to register protests at her offices because their calls were referred to voice mail boxes that often were full.


[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
We probably will not know for weeks until the stories start being filed by the National Enquirer.///

739 simoom  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:47:47am

re: #716 Walter L. Newton

I don't look to political theater like the SotU to tell me anything new about Obama's overall agenda. I have a pretty good understanding of what he'd like to accomplish from the long campaign and watching a number of interviews he gave long before that. I basically trust that he will try and enact as much of that agenda as he can, within the bounds of our often absurd politics and through the filter of our craven media. That involves the crapshoot of guessing the right order to tackle the issues; rolling out hopefully effective talking points, playing pattycake with egos in the media and those with political power; knowing where to compromise, where to make demands and where to give up and move on; praying the preponderance of events outside your control do not drain away all your political capital...

I just have never found SotU speeches a source of deep insight or substance.

740 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:52:18am

re: #683 Bagua

I agree that a pundit has to be careful of their words, but in this case Matthews was also expressing honesty, an internal experience that surprised him. Most people "prepare a face to meet the faces that they meet" thus, he will talk correct, act correct, but internally, he is aware he is speaking to an 'other'. And probably extra careful to use politically correct words as a result. That is the normal reaction.

It comes as a surprise then when one no longer sees the person as an other, the difference becomes unnoticeable and one is no longer aware they are speaking to someone different, no longer being careful with their words. So yes, as a pundit it is a fail, but as a person, it was a personal revelation to him which he expressed honestly. Instead of pretending he was colour blind in words and deeds because that is the 'correct' thing to do, he actually experienced colour blindness for the first time on a personal level.

You seem to recognize Matthews own tacit admission that he was conscious of Obama's race before and after the SOTU, but not during. Is that even possible unless he was hypnotized or otherewise underwent an eposide of altered conscousness?

741 ryannon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:57:09am

Chaos is the new order.


re: #737 Stormy

Fractal... reminds me of a conference I attended in 1990. Chaos: The New Science.

I distinctly remember listening to Benoit Mandelbrot and James Gleick. James' book, "Chaos: Making a New Science" is a great read. I was fascinated with Mandelbrot and Julia Sets and promptly went home to write a program that drew one on my Apple.

For any SQL geeks out there, here's a SQL Mandelbrot Set.

I remember they had a Mac IIfx there as well (this was a ~$10,000 machine at the time) that rendered sets and then would tip from a 2-d (overhead) image to a 3-d image that looked like mountain ranges. The math behind it all is really cool.

742 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 11:09:55am

re: #720 Dragon_Lady

Huh??? I got a bug, you ding bat! Bronchitis and a infected throat to be exact and yesterday I was feverish and digressed to a silly ridiculous point so I decided not to do that today and save some confusion. :-p

Oh, dear. You mean you've never seen this? Allow me to make your life better than it was three minutes ago...

[Link: www.livevideo.com...]

743 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 11:39:45am

re: #593 Obdicut

I trust that Lawhawk has come to that conclusion fairly through their own experience. I just don't trust that that experience is representative, when I know what a small sample size it represents.

I'm not sure what's amazing about that.

OK, now THAT makes sense.


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